From nobody Mon Jun 2 04:32:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E27E1A0306 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 04:32:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.955 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.955 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wq7lU5ZAGjFa for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 04:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A73251A0305 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 04:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:46866 helo=zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WrQTQ-0005xE-Sg; Mon, 02 Jun 2014 04:32:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "xml2rfc issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: henrik@levkowetz.com, elwynd@dial.pipex.com, tony@att.com X-Trac-Project: xml2rfc Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 11:32:16 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ticket/254#comment:5 Message-ID: <084.140f9cdc48ad0a1c1ccd122c3c9c75a3@tools.ietf.org> References: <069.c16e2df35e8749ede331ac1c8e719303@tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 254 In-Reply-To: <069.c16e2df35e8749ede331ac1c8e719303@tools.ietf.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik@levkowetz.com, elwynd@dial.pipex.com, tony@att.com, xml2rfc@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac@tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/5q7ln0uaOUe07j46vv_xrRVZk8U Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #254 (Version 2 cli): PDF output from HTML/RFCmarkup failing due to font configutration problem X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 11:32:29 -0000 #254: PDF output from HTML/RFCmarkup failing due to font configutration problem Changes (by henrik@levkowetz.com): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: I've installed the missing lib (libxrender1). I also had to install xorg, xvfb, and add a little wrapper to run X headless (don't really see why X should be needed, -- html2ps | ps2pdf does fine without it -- but we can explore that at some other time). This works for me now. -- ------------------------------------+---------------------------------- Reporter: elwynd@dial.pipex.com | Owner: henrik@levkowetz.com Type: defect | Status: closed Priority: medium | Milestone: Component: Version 2 cli | Version: 2.4.x Resolution: fixed | Keywords: ------------------------------------+---------------------------------- Ticket URL: xml2rfc From nobody Mon Jun 2 05:08:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6A41A01DF; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 05:08:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.045 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.045 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.793, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SAe94728Y20X; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 05:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84A1E1A01C7; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 05:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:47904 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WrR1u-0000I6-NO; Mon, 02 Jun 2014 05:07:55 -0700 Message-ID: <538C6918.4050507@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 14:07:52 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nico Williams , Michael Richardson References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> <5385F9F8.6090808@att.com> <15513.1401291759@sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: nico@cryptonector.com, mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, xml2rfc@ietf.org, tony@att.com, rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/UepfxqjUPkMEQ6PtoGe3heMt3Js Cc: xml2rfc mailing list , RFC Interest , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 12:08:03 -0000 On 2014-05-29 19:41 Nico Williams said: > My vote is for bibxml.ietf.org for the bibxml fdata. FWIW, that works for me. However, does that mean that the bibxml files should *not* be available at the same place as xml2rfc, which is the (or one of the) primary tools that use it? And if we keep bibxml files available also under xml2rfc.ietf.org, how useful is bibxml.ietf.org ? Best regards, Henrik From nobody Mon Jun 2 05:39:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977E31A031C for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 05:39:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id McwLAs-QtLpv for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 05:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp03.att.com (egssmtp03.att.com [144.160.128.152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3501A0218 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 05:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp03.att.com ( egs 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s52CdbJd003605 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 05:39:38 -0700 Received: from vpn-135-70-103-171.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.103.171]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140602123935gw100j0c3fe>; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 12:39:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.103.171] Message-ID: <538C7085.4090203@att.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 08:39:33 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: henrik@levkowetz.com References: <069.c16e2df35e8749ede331ac1c8e719303@tools.ietf.org> <084.140f9cdc48ad0a1c1ccd122c3c9c75a3@tools.ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <084.140f9cdc48ad0a1c1ccd122c3c9c75a3@tools.ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/sT_MYfN8mIwlRVae-5ke-mYTlVU Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #254 (Version 2 cli): PDF output from HTML/RFCmarkup failing due to font configutration problem X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 12:39:46 -0000 Thank you Henrik. Tony On 6/2/14, 7:32 AM, xml2rfc issue tracker wrote: > #254: PDF output from HTML/RFCmarkup failing due to font configutration problem > > Changes (by henrik@levkowetz.com): > > * status: new => closed > * resolution: => fixed > > > Comment: > > I've installed the missing lib (libxrender1). > > I also had to install xorg, xvfb, and add a little wrapper to run X > headless > (don't really see why X should be needed, -- html2ps | ps2pdf does fine > without > it -- but we can explore that at some other time). > > This works for me now. > From nobody Mon Jun 2 06:24:41 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F23A1A0311 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 06:24:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_I_LETTER=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QyzoR6h2nd_E for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 06:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from b.painless.aa.net.uk (b.painless.aa.net.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 703911A0205 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 06:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mightyatom.folly.org.uk ([81.187.254.250]) by b.painless.aa.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WrSDw-0001Er-KF; Mon, 02 Jun 2014 14:24:24 +0100 From: Elwyn Davies To: henrik@levkowetz.com, xml2rfc@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <538C7085.4090203@att.com> References: <069.c16e2df35e8749ede331ac1c8e719303@tools.ietf.org> <084.140f9cdc48ad0a1c1ccd122c3c9c75a3@tools.ietf.org> <538C7085.4090203@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 14:24:21 +0100 Message-Id: <1401715462.29419.3296.camel@mightyatom> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/JJxXfmWNjdJNUY7Dovx_ZwOGE5A Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #254 (Version 2 cli): PDF output from HTML/RFCmarkup failing due to font configutration problem X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 13:24:38 -0000 Hi, Henrik. Yes, thanks Henrik. I see that xml.resource.org is now visibly redirecting to xml2rfc.ietf.org: We maybe ought to publicise this more widely. One minor transient effect: If you have a cached xml.resource.org page, the page now redirects to http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi and returns the error "No Input File" (in large red letters :-) ) This will doubtless go away in due course but it looks a bit odd at present. wkhtmltopdf notes its reliance on X (and Qt). I guess this also applies to the C library version (that doesn't depend on Qt). Regards, Elwyn On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 08:39 -0400, Tony Hansen wrote: > Thank you Henrik. > > Tony > > On 6/2/14, 7:32 AM, xml2rfc issue tracker wrote: > > #254: PDF output from HTML/RFCmarkup failing due to font configutration problem > > > > Changes (by henrik@levkowetz.com): > > > > * status: new => closed > > * resolution: => fixed > > > > > > Comment: > > > > I've installed the missing lib (libxrender1). > > > > I also had to install xorg, xvfb, and add a little wrapper to run X > > headless > > (don't really see why X should be needed, -- html2ps | ps2pdf does fine > > without > > it -- but we can explore that at some other time). > > > > This works for me now. > > > > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc From nobody Mon Jun 2 08:02:54 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAB21A035C; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:02:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.044 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M4_hSf7r67oU; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a90.g.dreamhost.com (sub4.mail.dreamhost.com [69.163.253.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E8F1A0350; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a90.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a90.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F942AC073; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:02:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=YRUCvgIicmyuXWkUAWEY kV3u8b4=; b=whRQ4DCUI7As31f2NtQi4KTdozyHNAuH3vG1K/9Mmjj9ZKE+QH6H N2Lo3Y5PGcqX9Uj9x7/kDATsJEZpPJztqhxYyCKMvF+SJa4HNizP0zbNZF0dCqpU 04QRBPrLA4A6mxRyyHoCMEIhIeGyFcepExNw+vMK1L2XyvTyYr8W6Jc= Received: from mail-we0-f179.google.com (mail-we0-f179.google.com [74.125.82.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a90.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F24512AC06E; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f179.google.com with SMTP id q59so5255623wes.38 for ; Mon, 02 Jun 2014 08:02:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.102.10 with SMTP id fk10mr23280355wib.42.1401721341656; Mon, 02 Jun 2014 08:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.29.200 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:02:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <538C6918.4050507@levkowetz.com> References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> <5385F9F8.6090808@att.com> <15513.1401291759@sandelman.ca> <538C6918.4050507@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 10:02:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/jqo9FniX-C_SD3Da0YF_Owjeiwg Cc: Michael Richardson , xml2rfc mailing list , RFC Interest , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 15:02:44 -0000 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > On 2014-05-29 19:41 Nico Williams said: >> My vote is for bibxml.ietf.org for the bibxml fdata. > > FWIW, that works for me. However, does that mean that the bibxml files > should *not* be available at the same place as xml2rfc, which is the (or > one of the) primary tools that use it? No, though xml2rfc.ietf.org might mirror, link to, or redirect to bibxml.ietf.org. > And if we keep bibxml files available also under xml2rfc.ietf.org, how > useful is bibxml.ietf.org ? They are independent, separable things to me. That doesn't mean they must be separated, but they are difference classes of service too: - tool downloads and docs are not a high-priority service - bibxml is a first-class service that must stay available IMO they are best separated. Nico -- From nobody Tue Jun 3 03:32:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AED1A019C; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 03:32:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.045 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.045 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.793, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nn3xZTXB4DaG; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 03:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8162F1A0198; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 03:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:59835 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wrm0b-0002NA-HX; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 03:31:57 -0700 Message-ID: <538DA41B.2020006@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 12:31:55 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nico Williams References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> <5385F9F8.6090808@att.com> <15513.1401291759@sandelman.ca> <538C6918.4050507@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: nico@cryptonector.com, xml2rfc@ietf.org, tony@att.com, rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/n3SD5c1llDdg4zvCoHmiiY6Tz14 Cc: xml2rfc mailing list , RFC Interest , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:32:07 -0000 Hi Nico, On 2014-06-02 17:02 Nico Williams said: > On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> On 2014-05-29 19:41 Nico Williams said: >>> My vote is for bibxml.ietf.org for the bibxml fdata. >> >> FWIW, that works for me. However, does that mean that the bibxml files >> should *not* be available at the same place as xml2rfc, which is the (or >> one of the) primary tools that use it? > > No, though xml2rfc.ietf.org might mirror, link to, or redirect to > bibxml.ietf.org. > >> And if we keep bibxml files available also under xml2rfc.ietf.org, how >> useful is bibxml.ietf.org ? > > They are independent, separable things to me. That doesn't mean they > must be separated, but they are difference classes of service too: > > - tool downloads and docs are not a high-priority service > - bibxml is a first-class service that must stay available The the number of people commenting to me on the service being down seemed to predominantly be concerned with the online xml2rfc service, not the bibxml service used by xml2rfc, so I suspect that different people view the service requirement for these differently. (After the release of xml2rfc version 2, xml.resource.org has not been a tool download resource.) > IMO they are best separated. WFM, I guess. Other viewpoints? Henrik From nobody Wed Jun 4 20:16:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11EC1A0180 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:16:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.854 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.854 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Zz1uITSTXcA for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A3331A0016 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:54178 helo=zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1WsOA3-00025w-Is; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 20:16:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "xml2rfc issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: tony@att.com X-Trac-Project: xml2rfc Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 03:16:15 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ticket/258#comment:1 Message-ID: <075.fce93dccf10b9ec04d560cf08cfc8251@tools.ietf.org> References: <060.f7a3367a1845a69f484bf882fcbddf96@tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 258 In-Reply-To: <060.f7a3367a1845a69f484bf882fcbddf96@tools.ietf.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tony@att.com, xml2rfc@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac@tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/2TzSTyb3pQVmZtPXyls3a2g0S7E Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #258 (Version 2 cli): html converts but text gives stack trace X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 03:16:23 -0000 #258: html converts but text gives stack trace Changes (by tony@att.com): * owner: henrik@levkowetz.com => tony@att.com Comment: add check of line_num+i against len(self.buf) before looking at self.buf[line_num+i] -- ----------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: tony@att.com | Owner: tony@att.com Type: defect | Status: new Priority: medium | Milestone: Component: Version 2 cli | Version: 2.4.x Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------------+-------------------------- Ticket URL: xml2rfc From nobody Wed Jun 4 20:16:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE0C1A0408 for ; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/LAAGWsIdPJpowkzkYtGUBTv7mqU Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: [xml2rfc] #259 (Version 2 cli): editing=yes PI ignored by HTML X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 16:02:38 -0000 #259: editing=yes PI ignored by HTML The editing PI adds paragraph numbering. It is useful for generating documents that are being reviewed. Each paragraph in the document gets its own number, providing easy references during a review. The text formatter adds paragraph numbers as: {{{ <2> The RFC }}} The v1 HTML formatter uses superscript numbers before each paragraph: ^2^ ` The RFC` The v2 HTML formatter ignores the setting. -- ---------------------------+---------------------------------- Reporter: tony@att.com | Owner: henrik@levkowetz.com Type: defect | Status: new Priority: medium | Milestone: Component: Version 2 cli | Version: 2.4.x Keywords: | ---------------------------+---------------------------------- Ticket URL: xml2rfc From nobody Thu Jun 5 13:54:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7222A1A0126 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:54:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.045 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.045 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.793, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KvYkB6yZMa8p for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D3DC1A0466 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:33729 helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1Wsefb-00044h-S8; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 13:53:56 -0700 Message-ID: <5390D8E0.7070401@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 22:53:52 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: XML2RFC Interest Group , Ray Pelletier , Russ Housley , Alice Russo , Tony Hansen , Julian Reschke X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, rpelletier@isoc.org, housley@vigilsec.com, arusso@amsl.com, tony@att.com, julian.reschke@gmx.de, ietf@augustcellars.com, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/9Y6a8LJ15D9aPezYdY4uqjjh2A4 Subject: [xml2rfc] New xml2rfc release: 2.4.8 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 20:54:09 -0000 This announces the release of xml2rfc version 2.4.8, available for download from: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/xml2rfc http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc2/cli/ This release addresses one new issue which prevented the RFC editor from using v2 for a particular draft, and also fixes a crash on certain input, patch from Tony Hansen. For full details on all tickets, there's always the issue tracker: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/report/. An excerpt from the changelog is available below. Best regards, Henrik -------- Release notes: xml2rfc (2.4.8) ietf; urgency=medium * From Tony Hansen : Added check of line_num+i against len(self.buf) before looking at self.buf[line_num+i]. Resolves issue #258. * Tweaked the word separator regex to handle words containing both '.' and '-' internally more correctly. Fixes issue #256. * Now only emitting texttable word splitting warning once. * Changed the sort order of iref index items to not be case sensitive. Fixes issue #255. * Generally, changed http: URLs to https:, for improved security. -- Henrik Levkowetz 05 Jun 2014 13:26:55 -0700 From nobody Fri Jun 6 09:04:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBF01A0245; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 08:04:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.116 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.116 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aekPVHWeEw_R; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 08:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdpipgw01.twcable.com (cdpipgw01.twcable.com [165.237.59.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDEB1A019A; 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Fri, 6 Jun 2014 12:11:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yUgCJJWwB2FP; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 12:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp03.att.com (egssmtp03.att.com [144.160.128.152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745131A008B; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 12:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp03.att.com ( egs 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s56JBEmC005350; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 12:11:15 -0700 Received: from vpn-135-70-102-244.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.102.244]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140606191102gw100j0c5ke>; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 19:11:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.102.244] Message-ID: <53921244.5000104@att.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 15:11:00 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "George, Wes" , xml2rfc mailing list , Tools Team Discussion , RFC Interest References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/qDtsr44L4txnmtuna_gGjAZx-L4 Cc: "Howard, Lee" , "ietf-action@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 19:11:34 -0000 I pinged Henrik on this one -- a AAAA record was missing. xml.resource.org should work now (again) over IPv6. Tony Hansen On 6/6/14, 11:02 AM, George, Wes wrote: > On 5/28/14, 11:00 AM, "Tony Hansen" wrote: > > >> Because of the recent DNS changes for xml.resource.org, and the magic of >> redirection, the DNS for xml.resource.org is essentially under IETF >> control. Not 100%, but close enough. (xml.resource.org is now a CNAME >> pointing to a name under ietf.org that we control.) > Since it’s the anniversary of world IPv6 day, I disabled IPv4 at my desk > and tried to do work. Happened to have a draft I needed to run through > XML2RFC. > That ended badly: > > HDCMAC152433:~ e158182$ dig aaaa xml.resource.org > > xml.resource.org. 37 IN CNAME xml2rfc.ietf.org. > xml2rfc.ietf.org. 860 IN CNAME zinfandel.tools.ietf.org. > > HDCMAC152433:~ e158182$ dig aaaa xml2rfc.ietf.org > xml2rfc.ietf.org. 1799 IN CNAME zinfandel.tools.ietf.org. > > HDCMAC152433:~ e158182$ dig aaaa zinfandel.tools.ietf.org > > > *crickets chirping* > > Please fix. Given Happy Eyeballs’ tendency to obscure IPv6 problem by > seamlessly falling back to IPv4, testing with IPv4 disabled may need to > become part of standard rollout procedure in order to ensure that it > actually works over IPv6. > > Wes George > > > This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout. From nobody Sat Jun 7 15:01:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A091A0225 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 15:01:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ol6DAzHwZdiW for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 15:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 604491A01FA for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 15:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:40351 helo=zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1WtOfl-00037x-A5; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:01:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "xml2rfc issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: henrik@levkowetz.com X-Trac-Project: xml2rfc Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2014 22:01:09 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ticket/231#comment:2 Message-ID: <081.070633af764b488f3ad9f730561d3362@tools.ietf.org> References: <066.54f3448fd184da8156937f6a44958538@tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 231 In-Reply-To: <066.54f3448fd184da8156937f6a44958538@tools.ietf.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik@levkowetz.com, xml2rfc@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac@tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/qFDdXngDT07aJf4zPEEROMHUnBg Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #231 (Version 2 gui): xml2rfc behind windows gui omits table captions X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2014 22:01:18 -0000 #231: xml2rfc behind windows gui omits table captions Comment (by henrik@levkowetz.com): I just tested this procedure with release 2.4.8, and it can fail if it doesn't find the required lxml library. Here's the modified procedure: In a terminal window, find out where the system-installed xml2rfc module lives, and also where the cgi and lxml modules live (xml2rfc commandline 2.4.5 and later needs that): {{{ $ python -c 'import xml2rfc; print xml2rfc.__path__' ['/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site- packages/xml2rfc'] $ python -c 'import cgi; print cgi.__file__' /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/cgi.pyc $ python -c 'import lxml; print lxml.__path__' ['/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site- packages/lxml'] }}} Create a symlink to the system xml2rfc package in the app's Resources directory (which is on the load path of the embedded copy of python), and also a symlink to the system cgi module (copy all three from above, but link to the .py file instead of the .pyc file) : {{{ $ cd /Applications/xml2rfc.app/Contents/Resources $ ln -s /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7 /site-packages/xml2rfc ./ $ ln -s /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/cgi.py ./ $ ln -s /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7 /site-packages/lxml ./ $ cd }}} If you now invoke xml2rfc.app, and in the xml2rfc drop-down menu on the menubar select 'About xml2rfc', you should get an 'About xml2rfc' window that gives the core version as 2.4.5 (if that's what you have installed). -- ---------------------------------+---------------------------------------- Reporter: bob.briscoe@bt.com | Owner: Type: defect | Status: new Priority: medium | Milestone: Component: Version 2 gui | Version: 2.4.x Resolution: | Keywords: xml2rfc gui table captions ---------------------------------+---------------------------------------- Ticket URL: xml2rfc From nobody Tue Jun 10 14:47:52 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D661A02FC for ; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/-ALFoGyPpN3S6VcKSGO1V0v--IQ Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #210 (Version 2 cli): Sorting of references does not work properly with symrefs="no" X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:47:50 -0000 #210: Sorting of references does not work properly with symrefs="no" Changes (by henrik@levkowetz.com): * status: closed => reopened * resolution: fixed => -- ------------------------------------+---------------------------------- Reporter: dreibh@iem.uni-due.de | Owner: henrik@levkowetz.com Type: defect | Status: reopened Priority: medium | Milestone: Component: Version 2 cli | Version: 2.4.x Resolution: | Keywords: ------------------------------------+---------------------------------- Ticket URL: xml2rfc From nobody Thu Jun 12 01:17:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234611A039B for ; 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Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:17:09 +0200 Message-ID: <539961FF.3080808@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:17:03 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc , "rfc-design@rfc-editor.org" References: <20140612080354.4242.93444.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20140612080354.4242.93444.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20140612080354.4242.93444.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:4YIXd26egfJqnwjqWbk2Ak5Wv44byj7GNXKitoVTJTCUh52gx+r b2taXbJpQEFKWHkBSN2bS5YBF6z7PNxF9TYePiQyqy0ueoBqK6METxGOpgs22UaNCkVt07M QQGJL6Xa1fFnXB42/S4ZTNHSaiOoWUnxbuWL4X9s31pTmSdWoBfGtDgWshg8pVBg/P6UJIZ qeJGHI6+8USCkLj6IQwww== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/k7_bjMncn1G4TgZpursYOBVF7XI Subject: [xml2rfc] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-reschke-xml2rfc-08.txt X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:17:26 -0000 (FYI) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D Action: draft-reschke-xml2rfc-08.txt Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:03:54 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : The 'XML2RFC' version 2 Vocabulary Author : Julian F. Reschke Filename : draft-reschke-xml2rfc-08.txt Pages : 66 Date : 2014-06-12 Abstract: This document defines the 'XML2RFC' version 2 vocabulary; an XML- based language used for writing RFCs and Internet-Drafts. Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor) Discussion of this draft takes place on the XML2RFC mailing list (xml2rfc@ietf.org), which has its home page at . The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-reschke-xml2rfc/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-reschke-xml2rfc-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-reschke-xml2rfc-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Tue Jun 17 00:50:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904F91A02F4 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:50:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LEj5MYJ79Wnt for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A85F71A02D9 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.117] ([93.217.87.174]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MFu0Y-1WzVZn36kI-00Et4h; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:50:01 +0200 Message-ID: <539FF326.1020302@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:49:58 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jose Saldana , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <007f01cf89fe$651335d0$2f39a170$@unizar.es> In-Reply-To: <007f01cf89fe$651335d0$2f39a170$@unizar.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:EgXAx1IozjJGALAEQNzBwgoxxTKn9LjDj5XFnWeLufYDj805quq Pq0ZaYjNdJotFtDfnJ3wIHs/z/1Q97Stjl6aK8i5pmN1J4PL5s2pbs2ILHvDF8oQ7HC+9ff /FWgUOQygQ264Lswrth4fJAIOKKwd71676r3tIeCDG0CFsq6xkcvbzlcCUBExMtCq3MYHdM bhMV3gh8KxgXxeI1rrNtw== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/MmQ-4-onB88MDhT3CDZLMjFj_-4 Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] One question about the number of authors on an Internet Draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:50:08 -0000 On 2014-06-17 09:33, Jose Saldana wrote: > Julian, > > I have a question regarding the maximum number of authors in an Internet > Draft. We are writing one, and we are eight people. However, it seems > that only five of us can appear in the front page. Can this number be > changed? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jose Saldana > > University of Zaragoza > > : You can have as many as you want, but you might get questions once you get close to RFC publication. If xml2rfc complains, you may have to switch off the "strict" mode. Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Jun 17 04:23:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864561A0340 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 04:23:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i_gBIr9pjPJM for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 04:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx12.netapp.com (mx12.netapp.com [216.240.18.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E9251A0348 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 04:23:41 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,493,1400050800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="170628504" Received: from vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.239]) by mx12-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 17 Jun 2014 04:23:41 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX08-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.41) by vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.106.76.239) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 04:23:41 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) by hioexcmbx08-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.41) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.847.32; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 04:23:40 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([::1]) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([fe80::8485:306a:80a6:ba8f%21]) with mapi id 15.00.0847.030; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 04:23:40 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: xml2rfc mailing list Thread-Topic: reference formatting question Thread-Index: AQHPih6WHnH9MYtMwUSzCTb5S3KVeQ== Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 11:23:39 +0000 Message-ID: <9A3CC29D-135A-4495-BEF9-2A0F9F043936@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.56.79] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7B269FAC-0651-4513-9925-2C16A38E66F6"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/uVJjxuTjZHcJ7zzYyT_TNd3ZVyI Subject: [xml2rfc] reference formatting question X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 11:23:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7B269FAC-0651-4513-9925-2C16A38E66F6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, anyone know why this: Internet Gateway Device (IGD) Standardized Device Control Protocol V 1.0 now renders as this: [UPnP] UPnP Forum, , "Internet Gateway Device (IGD) Standardized Device Control Protocol V 1.0", November 2001. The old xml2rfc didn't have the extra comma in there. Lars --Apple-Mail=_7B269FAC-0651-4513-9925-2C16A38E66F6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBU6AlOdZcnpRveo1xAQKFuAP9Ewjw8SyW1ZwNuMf7npIeFIrbFSZrLQ3x LKehpZXYoaSkKfyYxthqb+xxuOY2wO+yQfg4ckJMLlHxe2qqWgaw77lyr3d/KYT0 IEqgEYtMG2ngilGmocw7l5Ezjd+WupTLbXjWlY2ySFJrs01Z1FMvYkNMAcyNvCHw TjhdAAQA/to= =UPHM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_7B269FAC-0651-4513-9925-2C16A38E66F6-- From nobody Tue Jun 17 04:58:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2121A0352 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 04:58:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e2Uk9wQ3bLeC for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 04:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp02.att.com (egssmtp02.att.com [144.160.128.166]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8AC1A0347 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 04:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp02.att.com ( EGS R6 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5HBwdeu001143 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 04:58:40 -0700 Received: from vpn-135-70-100-107.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.100.107]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140617115839gw100j0c8ge>; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 11:58:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.100.107] Message-ID: <53A02D6C.4030005@att.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:58:36 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc mailing list References: <9A3CC29D-135A-4495-BEF9-2A0F9F043936@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <9A3CC29D-135A-4495-BEF9-2A0F9F043936@netapp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/FoQ326DF5SkIkHyAsO1DD_OhBi4 Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] reference formatting question X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 11:58:41 -0000 On 6/17/14, 7:23 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote: > Hi, > > anyone know why this: > > > > Internet Gateway Device (IGD) Standardized Device Control > Protocol V 1.0 > > > > > > > > > > now renders as this: > > [UPnP] UPnP Forum, , "Internet Gateway Device (IGD) Standardized > Device Control Protocol V 1.0", November 2001. > > The old xml2rfc didn't have the extra comma in there. I believe that there's a trac defect about that one that hasn't been fixed yet. Tony Hansen From nobody Tue Jun 17 06:59:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4401A0117 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:59:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SLJ7tPLdtT5O for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727CD1A0176 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD301E5E82; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:58:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c9a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0nrGVJcewFwQ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (pool-68-238-162-118.washdc.fios.verizon.net [68.238.162.118]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9ABCA1E5E80; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Alice Russo In-Reply-To: <53A02D6C.4030005@att.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:59:01 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5C30CAD4-F83A-4B50-96FA-F9D8CEBC5F51@amsl.com> References: <9A3CC29D-135A-4495-BEF9-2A0F9F043936@netapp.com> <53A02D6C.4030005@att.com> To: Lars Eggert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/bwGu-ZwYjA8NXIcCftoAuBR0qAk Cc: xml2rfc mailing list Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] reference formatting question X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:59:07 -0000 Hi Lars, The extra comma is b/c surname only is used. When an organization is the = author, you can put it in the organization element and not set the = author attributes: Internet Gateway Device (IGD) Standardized Device = Control Protocol V 1.0 UPnP Forum yields [UPnP] UPnP Forum, "Internet Gateway Device (IGD) Standardized Device Control Protocol V 1.0", November 2001. Thanks, Alice On Jun 17, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > On 6/17/14, 7:23 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> anyone know why this: >>=20 >> >> >> Internet Gateway Device (IGD) Standardized Device = Control >> Protocol V 1.0 >>=20 >> >> >> >>=20 >> >> >> >>=20 >> now renders as this: >>=20 >> [UPnP] UPnP Forum, , "Internet Gateway Device (IGD) = Standardized >> Device Control Protocol V 1.0", November 2001. >>=20 >> The old xml2rfc didn't have the extra comma in there. >=20 > I believe that there's a trac defect about that one that hasn't been = fixed yet. >=20 > Tony Hansen >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc >=20 From nobody Tue Jun 17 07:45:18 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9A01A0272 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:33:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.151 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.151 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z9E5rzLwmcru for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isuela.unizar.es (isuela.unizar.es [155.210.1.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A41F1A005C for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usuarioPC (gtc1pc12.cps.unizar.es [155.210.158.17]) by isuela.unizar.es (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id s5H7X3WF010518; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:33:03 +0200 From: "Jose Saldana" To: , Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:33:12 +0200 Message-ID: <007f01cf89fe$651335d0$2f39a170$@unizar.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01CF8A0F.289CC920" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac+J/i+PILmInL+MSg2KQaqHCxGtMA== Content-Language: es X-Mail-Scanned: Criba 2.0 + Clamd & Bogofilter Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/bS8g5Bxeox8qRFR1fBEObD2sAEU X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:45:16 -0700 Subject: [xml2rfc] One question about the number of authors on an Internet Draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:33:15 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CF8A0F.289CC920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julian, I have a question regarding the maximum number of authors in an Internet Draft. We are writing one, and we are eight people. However, it seems that only five of us can appear in the front page. Can this number be changed? Thanks in advance, Jose Saldana University of Zaragoza < http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-reschke-xml2rfc-latest.html#rfc.autho rs>: ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CF8A0F.289CC920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Julian,

I have a question regarding the maximum number of authors in an = Internet Draft. We are writing one, and we are eight people. However, it = seems that only five of us can appear in the front page. Can this number = be changed?

Thanks in advance,

Jose Saldana

University of Zaragoza

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[111.69.198.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pn4sm25389188pbb.7.2014.06.17.13.01.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53A09EB4.9060400@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 08:01:56 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jose Saldana References: <007f01cf89fe$651335d0$2f39a170$@unizar.es> <539FF326.1020302@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <539FF326.1020302@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/sPsTGRmh8uXPFw0YTSdBckkCjYg Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] One question about the number of authors on an Internet Draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 20:01:58 -0000 FYI, the current published policy about this (for RFCs) is at http://www.rfc-editor.org/policy.html#policy.authlist xml2rfc simply attempts to support the policy. Regards Brian Carpenter On 17/06/2014 19:49, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2014-06-17 09:33, Jose Saldana wrote: >> Julian, >> >> I have a question regarding the maximum number of authors in an Internet >> Draft. We are writing one, and we are eight people. However, it seems >> that only five of us can appear in the front page. Can this number be >> changed? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Jose Saldana >> >> University of Zaragoza >> >> : >> > > You can have as many as you want, but you might get questions once you > get close to RFC publication. > > If xml2rfc complains, you may have to switch off the "strict" mode. > > Best regards, Julian > > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > . > From nobody Tue Jun 17 13:07:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE161A00DF for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:07:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k-nF8OSddLm7 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x22f.google.com (mail-pd0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 065731A011C for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id v10so5052275pde.34 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:07:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gy5uruv/8fsrCinhuRr6Gya+9RRfU3lZ3YbxLFFHigw=; b=jFLtE0jCk4H4pMtzCeQMVvZbjC++mjUORieVbWtcv7HH1IG4qFnApRb0GVuMfRKbFT 12oAJD9ymOV8erB8Ovams3ZM8R47aV2t4IKRJJ6HRRX+4ubMrHh5Y/GU9XiOx28pQnfx qagzm2IoaDgElt3nz/s4FRcHSR29+GnnP/IDylaScv13piXRSNUIhcS+X/eGPSdVeCVm BS4WpiEyJbkgy1O99ellvH32luu9EOwH22QeG4v0PAVwUMM+x/9gYJkOP6Ca7M6LCEiQ /5dWj2zz4MoOfS4Ezbh/jkbKw9+azmbPdHoG1N7PnXWX2hS0REuDRj1M7mKz4TozgnN6 wyPA== X-Received: by 10.66.66.135 with SMTP id f7mr35170656pat.22.1403035652635; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.23] (171.198.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [111.69.198.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id uv5sm14523535pbc.52.2014.06.17.13.07.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53A0A006.5060400@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 08:07:34 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eggert, Lars" References: <9A3CC29D-135A-4495-BEF9-2A0F9F043936@netapp.com> <53A02D6C.4030005@att.com> In-Reply-To: <53A02D6C.4030005@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/LS0fVvrJvpJHwlqUv-bI9go_v3A Cc: xml2rfc mailing list Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] reference formatting question X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 20:07:34 -0000 Lars, On 17/06/2014 23:58, Tony Hansen wrote: > On 6/17/14, 7:23 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote: >> Hi, >> >> anyone know why this: >> >> >> >> Internet Gateway Device (IGD) Standardized Device Control >> Protocol V 1.0 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Try this: UPnP Forum Brian >> >> now renders as this: >> >> [UPnP] UPnP Forum, , "Internet Gateway Device (IGD) Standardized >> Device Control Protocol V 1.0", November 2001. >> >> The old xml2rfc didn't have the extra comma in there. > > I believe that there's a trac defect about that one that hasn't been > fixed yet. > > Tony Hansen > > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > . > From nobody Tue Jun 17 18:34:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1439F1A00E9 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:34:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SBFkBDHzY5tG for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ig0-x231.google.com (mail-ig0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8767E1A009A for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f177.google.com with SMTP id c1so260245igq.4 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:34:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=H67I9p+eIjA3hk7bMRgNz5yoklhorUZSEnhAMPy8OKE=; b=pH1EcXSKvn7JhXqS8QGvrSBqsmKxw72RCSVTDEHDv4cfp0bjLIwpwm30AVp8ygu5zf Romo/BQtDC/JkNx+X4lY7AmgyOFAY84NlTYhuB269DHNel4VS8e1/m8iu5R8+5Mat3DD tD5L9V3jTikQ5QdNuSzkO0qss99t5dQVzSpQgxOlOhmXO3l1OAio4yBAT2Mp8VpyUPFf PAOp9ZCOC8tx5dWDTFXdAQGAyxwWFbNRPt4nxwVEE4jdDIIANWJurrxWjqe55lf1qxt+ UGAkFeACXTGRpLX4dLJVkFfFt1KgQ8zkYBYBRlvRlZhmTh5V/5ssJopE7BsujtfUc0nr dXQA== X-Received: by 10.42.185.73 with SMTP id cn9mr31291261icb.6.1403055277934; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (dsl-173-206-0-110.tor.primus.ca. [173.206.0.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id mi4sm2311027igb.5.2014.06.17.18.34.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53A0ECA4.50706@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 21:34:28 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke , Jose Saldana , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <007f01cf89fe$651335d0$2f39a170$@unizar.es> <539FF326.1020302@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <539FF326.1020302@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/fC76sUU1h4O72LLGFeYHV0wRDwg Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] One question about the number of authors on an Internet Draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 01:34:41 -0000 The official answer to this is to list up to five people on the front page, and the remainder in a Contributors or Contributing Authors section. Tom Taylor On 17/06/2014 3:49 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2014-06-17 09:33, Jose Saldana wrote: >> Julian, >> >> I have a question regarding the maximum number of authors in an Internet >> Draft. We are writing one, and we are eight people. However, it seems >> that only five of us can appear in the front page. Can this number be >> changed? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Jose Saldana >> >> University of Zaragoza >> >> : >> > > You can have as many as you want, but you might get questions once you > get close to RFC publication. > > If xml2rfc complains, you may have to switch off the "strict" mode. > > Best regards, Julian > > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > . > From nobody Tue Jun 17 22:30:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A0E1A0236 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 22:30:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mVuUQgPacNoG for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 22:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 452071A022D for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 22:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.160] ([84.187.52.158]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MaIw0-1XH0kR0CL2-00JtRF; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 07:30:23 +0200 Message-ID: <53A123E9.7090600@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 07:30:17 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Taylor , Jose Saldana , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <007f01cf89fe$651335d0$2f39a170$@unizar.es> <539FF326.1020302@gmx.de> <53A0ECA4.50706@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53A0ECA4.50706@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:VrwV22QbPXfdcxbfuuDzB+T7/OyYHnyOnhimOJgLTp0CSQThVDg rAfic0omvtWAKsSN25UjCsOV+EjaszrPaCSCagYDvB2Liwu6n+QZ7C3YaMxV5jkHVtKIqA3 jy+6vCZHR8vkqvle+M5fEG4NxcHQtQYGuh9TbaiCiskxjye/ZNyxICyt9cUOm4JvYxHWtbQ UvWvs2RXfc6EGxanERg6w== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/b5Z0Am4PNOk0KCeLyhffPLLKkGA Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] One question about the number of authors on an Internet Draft X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 05:30:29 -0000 On 2014-06-18 03:34, Tom Taylor wrote: > The official answer to this is to list up to five people on the front ...which is not a hard limit right? > page, and the remainder in a Contributors or Contributing Authors section. > > Tom Taylor > ... 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Is there a way in the xml to add author records and indicate which ones should be listed only in the address section of the document? Thanx, yaacov weingarten On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2014-06-18 03:34, Tom Taylor wrote: > >> The official answer to this is to list up to five people on the front >> > > ...which is not a hard limit right? > > page, and the remainder in a Contributors or Contributing Authors section. >> >> Tom Taylor >> ... >> > > Best regards, Julian > > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > -- Thanx and BR, yaacov *Still looking for new opportunity* --e89a8f839f35f9f1b104fc177c06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I have a related question regarding= xml2rfc and the author listings. Is there a way in the xml to add author r= ecords and indicate which ones should be listed only in the address section= of the document?

Thanx,
yaacov weingarten


On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 a= t 8:30 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:=
On 2014-06-18 03:34, Tom Tay= lor wrote:
The official answer to this is to list up to five people on the front

...which is not a hard limit right?

page, and the remainder in a Contributors or Contributing Authors section.<= br>
Tom Taylor
...

Best regards, Julian

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Thanx and BR,
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Is > there a way in the xml to add author records and indicate which ones > should be listed only in the address section of the document? > ... No. By definition, all authors will be listed in the front matter and in the Authors Section. 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Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:16:08 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.91.110.248] Message-ID: <53A2F0A6.5050307@att.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 10:16:06 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?546L6aOe?= , xml2rfc References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040400030505050600090505" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/wEQrfbXc7s6y42weL2qILUXCqzo Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] xml2rfc upload confusion X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:16:14 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040400030505050600090505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Scroll the top frame down and you will see an error message about the element needing to be filled in. Fill it in and try again. Tony Hansen On 6/19/14, 9:19 AM, 王飞 wrote: > Hi, > > When I upload the xml template file "mib-doc-template-xml-04" > in the website http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/, the output text is 0B,nothing > in the txt file. > When I click the > *Output result* Use frames to show Warnings & Errors > > > It shows “The file is not there -- check for error messages or you > may have clicked reload > > What' wrong with the my operation? > p.s. Which templates is the necessary from the > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/templates/ --------------040400030505050600090505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Scroll the top frame down and you will see an error message about the <date/> element needing to be filled in.

Fill it in and try again.

    Tony Hansen

On 6/19/14, 9:19 AM, 王飞 wrote:
Hi,

When I upload the xml template file "mib-doc-template-xml-04"
in the website http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/, the output text is 0B,nothing in the txt file.
When I click the 
Output result Use frames to show Warnings & Errors 

It shows “The file is not there -- check for error messages or you may have clicked reload

What' wrong with the my operation?
p.s. Which templates is the necessary from the http://tools.ietf.org/tools/templates/

--------------040400030505050600090505-- From nobody Thu Jun 19 11:51:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8DB1A014C; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 11:51:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dZd-8dfXtcPJ; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 11:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x231.google.com (mail-ie0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C06C21A0126; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 11:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id tp5so2344783ieb.22 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 11:51:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WP8bdTUfjElgNapUua3x5J8NGawII/CVxn/qJR1WZVE=; b=cNzUvtBqr2jnj4EgEpfW7xz7D1wVO+u+TWYQwhuB6SoNF9tRniGY5jeik1lwGBIqYR jbB2i2jeb0zQw5rEqRKDKdOWi/CN13ZE/nkgjACFQJ0lFMsBWTX3SUgjlJ+vtwZRlcaU HAD8ZXgK1MFoQ/9YpcmTY027RdwajnM1ltlU4fQCuLhUMEeQl3NzDWSl97qKNoR3D8a5 W5KuMguVY9aMyK9q/818IxDAkZfLzX6E2Qi1QhIZqLwz1gblMmZXQodszB49/Y4fdQCw DohdVQPuuDWRmH71KKcEcjUR/f3AEfTTKmbZw/tGdi9W4Dtarr0qBCoteiBH21xWmzQu Yo8w== X-Received: by 10.43.54.70 with SMTP id vt6mr8072467icb.91.1403203904099; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 11:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (dsl-173-206-0-110.tor.primus.ca. [173.206.0.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c8sm9356588igx.8.2014.06.19.11.51.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Jun 2014 11:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53A3313F.6070902@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:51:43 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Julian F. Reschke" , Gen Art , "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" , xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/4lltFjWD8BPo6UrooAfQ_wTJcwg Subject: [xml2rfc] Early review of draft-reschke-xml2rfc-08.txt X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 18:51:49 -0000 I am one of the assigned Gen-ART reviewers for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at <​http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq>. Please resolve these comments along with any other comments you may receive. Tom Taylor Summary This draft is basically ready for publication, but has nits that should be fixed before publication. I have identified one very minor issue as shown below. The documentation in general is excellent and clarifies some points I was never clear on with Marshall Rose's guide. As a meta-comment, we need some document like Marshall Rose's guide that shows how everything fits together. One possibility is to put out a document explaining and presenting the general I-D template, and another that explains and presents the MIB template. I'm prepared to author these if others agree on the need and are not interested in doing the work. Major Issues ------------ None. Minor Issues ------------ In the description of the 'year' attribute of , the number of digits is not specified. (Also true of 'day', but doesn't matter unless processors will glitch on encountering leading zeroes.) Nits and Editorial Improvements ------------------------------- Given that this is an early review, I did not run IDnits. I did check all the internal cross-references (I think), and they were all correct. I'd be interested in how that was achieved. I end up flipping back and forth in my documents to find the value of the anchor for the section I want to refer to. s/only text content/text content only/g -- sounds better to the English-speaking ear. 2.5.1 Expand descriptive sentence slightly? "... horizontal alignment of ... on the page." 2.13 s/first case/boilerplate case/ s/second case/case of bibliographic references/ OLD: When "year", "month" or "day" are left out, the processor will attempt to use the current system date if the attributes that are specified do match the system date. NEW: When one or more of "year", "month", or "day" are left out, the processor will attempt to use the current system date if the attributes that are present are consistent with that date. 2.17.1 "... horizontal alignment of ... on the page." 2.36 typo in verb bullet: s/usign/using/ 2.39.1 "... on the page." 3. First line typo: s/can not/cannot/ 4. Last line above page break and XML declaration: s/like that/like this/ 5. Second line: s/it's/its/ 6. Second paragraph, third line: s/role/rule/. Next line: s/US-ACSII/US-ASCII/ 7. Suggest dropping "Furthermore" from beginning of third paragraph because it is redundant with "as well" later in the sentence. 8.1: Applications that use this media type: delete "either". Fragment identifier considerations: s/uses/used/ in middle line. Appendix B. You might note that while v1 is documented in RFC 2629, the version of XML2RFC documented in Marshall Rose's guide "Writing I-Ds and RFCs using XML (revised)" is closer to v2 (or is it identical to v2?). From nobody Thu Jun 19 12:27:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F088B1A019A; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:27:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.303 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.303 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C5gr0wZQB345; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from central.greenbytes.de (mail.greenbytes.de [217.91.35.233]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAA81A0280; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.160] (unknown [93.217.99.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by central.greenbytes.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AFD4A10C22C0; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:27:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53A3399D.6050809@greenbytes.de> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:27:25 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Taylor , Gen Art , "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <53A3313F.6070902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53A3313F.6070902@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/xDWelyx3wTbbbWULOUlfHLn3ujQ Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Early review of draft-reschke-xml2rfc-08.txt X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 19:27:35 -0000 On 2014-06-19 20:51, Tom Taylor wrote: > ... > Given that this is an early review, I did not run IDnits. I did check > all the internal cross-references (I think), and they were all correct. > I'd be interested in how that was achieved. I end up flipping back and > forth in my documents to find the value of the anchor for the section I > want to refer to. > ... Many of the links in the document have been autogenerated from the RNG file (see the SVN repo for the tool set that was used). Best regards, Julian From nobody Fri Jun 20 03:08:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94641A0140; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 03:08:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BQiESNJsAjH9; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 03:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from central.greenbytes.de (mail.greenbytes.de [217.91.35.233]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4CC1A0367; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 03:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (unknown [217.91.35.233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by central.greenbytes.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27C3510C059A; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 12:08:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53A40822.9000602@greenbytes.de> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 12:08:34 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Taylor , Gen Art , "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <53A3313F.6070902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53A3313F.6070902@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/7AvjQnvmIMBZeJQ0q0co6xatUQA Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Early review of draft-reschke-xml2rfc-08.txt X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 10:08:43 -0000 Hi Tom, thanks for the review. I've applied most of the changes, see for the diffs. Some comments inline: On 2014-06-19 20:51, Tom Taylor wrote: > ... > In the description of the 'year' attribute of , the number of digits is not specified. (Also true of 'day', but doesn't matter unless processors will glitch on encountering leading zeroes.) So how is this different from date? Do you think we need to say it's the actual year, not only two digits? > ... > 2.5.1 Expand descriptive sentence slightly? "... horizontal alignment of > ... on the page." It's currently: "Controls whether the artwork appears left (default), centered, or right." -- and I believe that's sufficient. > ... > 2.17.1 "... horizontal alignment of ... on the page." See above. > ... > Appendix B. You might note that while v1 is documented in RFC 2629, the > version of XML2RFC documented in Marshall Rose's guide "Writing I-Ds and > RFCs using XML (revised)" > is > closer to v2 (or is it identical to v2?). I added a reference to the abandoned draft. (and no, it's not *identical* to v2 as it hasn't been maintained since 2009, thus was incomplete). 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[173.206.0.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id vl10sm5141628igb.16.2014.06.20.08.21.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Jun 2014 08:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53A4515C.1020505@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 11:21:00 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke , Gen Art , "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <53A3313F.6070902@gmail.com> <53A40822.9000602@greenbytes.de> In-Reply-To: <53A40822.9000602@greenbytes.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/w7MgMyv4KnKl7fEdfc7FasYoBNQ Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Early review of draft-reschke-xml2rfc-08.txt X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:21:08 -0000 On 20/06/2014 6:08 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Hi Tom, > > thanks for the review. > > I've applied most of the changes, see > > for the diffs. > > Some comments inline: > > On 2014-06-19 20:51, Tom Taylor wrote: > > ... >> In the description of the 'year' attribute of , the number of >> digits is not specified. (Also true of 'day', but doesn't matter >> unless processors will glitch on encountering leading zeroes.) > > So how is this different from date? Do you think we need to say it's the > actual year, not only two digits? > [PTT] Yes. I suppose I should have been explicit. ... From nobody Fri Jun 20 15:15:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C391A02CA for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:15:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q7zXIWeXvB9B for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC49C1A00E8 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:35065 helo=zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1Wy75H-00009m-8r; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:14:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "xml2rfc issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: henrik@levkowetz.com, elwynd@dial.pipex.com X-Trac-Project: xml2rfc Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 22:14:59 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ticket/260 Message-ID: <069.bf7c8805c45724db80719ee5a96def85@tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 260 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik@levkowetz.com, elwynd@dial.pipex.com, xml2rfc@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac@tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/kAZchUnEbyDhR-mbIDYykEMJcTg Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: [xml2rfc] #260 (Version 2 cli): in doesn't generate a URI in the Reference/URIs sub-section. X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 22:15:04 -0000 #260: in doesn't generate a URI in the Reference/URIs sub- section. While reviewing draft-reschke-xml2rfc-xx I was checking whether actually worked in current xml2rfc processor. The answer is that it half does. I pasted in the example form s2.3 of the draft into draft-davies-template- bare.xml and fed it to the online xml2rfc. So was inserted into the ref as expected and the was turned into [1] (if that was the only or [2] in the attached example where there is another as well. However the URL wasn't rendered in the References/URLs subsection and in the first case there was no References/URLs section generated. BTW Should check if the URL is the same and reuse the same URL if they are? The wo s I put in were the same but xml2rfc thought it was creating two URLs. -- -----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Reporter: elwynd@dial.pipex.com | Owner: henrik@levkowetz.com Type: defect | Status: new Priority: medium | Milestone: Component: Version 2 cli | Version: 2.4.x Keywords: | -----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Ticket URL: xml2rfc From nobody Fri Jun 20 15:26:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA2B1A040C for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:26:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Aijjnojmr-Cs for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58DA11A00E8 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:35528 helo=zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1Wy7GR-0001ye-OT; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:26:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "xml2rfc issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: henrik@levkowetz.com, elwynd@dial.pipex.com X-Trac-Project: xml2rfc Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 22:26:31 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ticket/260#comment:1 Message-ID: <084.adf8fe7b48a751d75a9627927d57faa9@tools.ietf.org> References: <069.bf7c8805c45724db80719ee5a96def85@tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 260 In-Reply-To: <069.bf7c8805c45724db80719ee5a96def85@tools.ietf.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik@levkowetz.com, elwynd@dial.pipex.com, xml2rfc@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac@tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/MkHpk_yKuChi4IFloEmhGmHZvcw Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #260 (Version 2 cli): in doesn't generate a URI in the Reference/URIs sub-section. X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 22:26:35 -0000 #260: in doesn't generate a URI in the Reference/URIs sub- section. Comment (by elwynd@dial.pipex.com): Should have noted that the problem as reported above is for .txt output; it is different for HTML output where the URL is not output after the preamble text. -- ------------------------------------+---------------------------------- Reporter: elwynd@dial.pipex.com | Owner: henrik@levkowetz.com Type: defect | Status: new Priority: medium | Milestone: Component: Version 2 cli | Version: 2.4.x Resolution: | Keywords: ------------------------------------+---------------------------------- Ticket URL: xml2rfc From nobody Fri Jun 20 16:42:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EF71A0329 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:42:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f5e-Imgdn79i for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4EBF1A0303 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:37623 helo=zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1Wy8Ru-00038J-8z; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:42:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "xml2rfc issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: henrik@levkowetz.com, elwynd@dial.pipex.com X-Trac-Project: xml2rfc Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 23:42:26 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ticket/260#comment:2 Message-ID: <084.5ea5196d9380a3e47016e258cb666c92@tools.ietf.org> References: <069.bf7c8805c45724db80719ee5a96def85@tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 260 In-Reply-To: <069.bf7c8805c45724db80719ee5a96def85@tools.ietf.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik@levkowetz.com, elwynd@dial.pipex.com, xml2rfc@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac@tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/CYBPyN8rRfRKh1qjB99_m6qaYY4 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #260 (Version 2 cli): in doesn't generate a URI in the Reference/URIs sub-section. X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 23:42:29 -0000 #260: in doesn't generate a URI in the Reference/URIs sub- section. Comment (by elwynd@dial.pipex.com): Also that this seems to be a problem with -- ------------------------------------+---------------------------------- Reporter: elwynd@dial.pipex.com | Owner: henrik@levkowetz.com Type: defect | Status: new Priority: medium | Milestone: Component: Version 2 cli | Version: 2.4.x Resolution: | Keywords: ------------------------------------+---------------------------------- Ticket URL: xml2rfc From nobody Sat Jun 21 06:17:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3C61A0653 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 06:17:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gDpVJ3oigfnM for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 06:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from auth.a.painless.aa.net.uk (a.painless.aa.net.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D93821A0286 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 06:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mightyatom.folly.org.uk ([81.187.254.250]) by a.painless.aa.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1WyLAK-0007ci-Ii for xml2rfc@ietf.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 14:17:11 +0100 From: Elwyn Davies To: xml2rfc mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 14:17:01 +0100 Message-Id: <1403356626.2995.5524.camel@mightyatom> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/oAQM9tUA-9tdyejdVo2cV8mNoFo Subject: [xml2rfc] Seeking a larger can... X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 13:17:17 -0000 Hi. I seem to have fallen foul of the old adage: "Never open a can of worms unless you have a larger can handy." I made a start on reviewing draft-reschke-xml2rfc-latest last night. I reached and did a slight double take because I hadn't realized that it was a (new) part of the v2 vocabulary - I had thought it was an add-on goody for v3. So I thought I would go check that the online processor accepted . And indeed it does. So far, so good. I pasted in the example from the draft into my draft template (draft-davies-template-bare.xml): Latest version available at . and used the online processor. I had only half remembered that 's are, by default, replaced by numeric references and an extra sub-section title "URIs" is automatically added to the References section with the value/content of the indexed by the reference. Problem 1: 's in the body of the draft work as expected but an in an annotation inserts the URI reference ([2] in this case) inline but it doesn't appear in the "URIs" section. Ticket #260 addresses this problem. So having looked at the output from Julian's draft where the content appears in line, I was trying to remember which PI controlled this. I realized that the "inline" PI is overloaded to do this (It is mainly associated with ). Problem 2: Should "inline" be overloaded? Ok, so I added to the test file and tried again. Initially nothing changed - I got the same output as previously. Tried again and still got the same anaswer. Having scratched my head and tried another file (Julian's draft) I came back to the test file, and now I got the expected inline result - but changing back to inline="no" I was now stuck with the inline result and couldn't get back to the original result with a "URIs" section. At this point I gave up and went to bed, thinking maybe my brain was addled. Problem 3: There is some sort of memory effect where changing the inline PI value doesn't have an immediate effect in the online xml2rfc v2 tool. Sounds like something is not being reinitialized for subsequent runs. Retrying this morning the memory effect is still there: Tried it initially with inline="no" and was stuck with that result. So I checked whether the memory effect showed with other PIs. Changed to symrefs="no". Oops. No, it didn't show the memory effect *but* I realized that the numeric references for s are not integrated with the references so now there are two different [1]'s etc., one for s and one for s. Problem 4: With and the numbering sequences for 's and 's overlap so it isn't possible to distinguish which ref is being referred to in the text. Problem 5: There isn't a way to give a symbolic name for an . Maybe it should have an anchor attribute. Oh, and another nit. Problem 6: The old v1 processor doesn't handle the permanent redirects for xml.resource.org. Entities using xml.resource.org are now flagged as errors and have to be rewritten to use xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org. I got it out of retirement to check what used to happen with 's. Guess I better write some more tickets! If you can help, please send jumbo sized empty can by express delivery. ;-) Cheers, Elwyn From nobody Sun Jun 22 08:42:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527E11B279D for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 08:42:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_FAIL=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j7o5T7xxHyn6 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 08:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 584B51A03A9 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 08:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s5MFgBJT067499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 08:42:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: from [192.168.2.160] ([93.217.84.168]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LzbXq-1Wbw4Y3eh0-014mxf; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:42:03 +0200 Message-ID: <53A6F93E.30501@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:41:50 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc , "rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org" References: <20140622153305.23119.82840.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20140622153305.23119.82840.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20140622153305.23119.82840.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:n7IJqJ+hCT9ABO37t0Ar0/uExNqwq7BsXGeOTrAEY9Lmm0oZlRL TTAB1QJw0U9AVSgmdjJHO64dbfXIMpy8oKjf1H3ZNOO0WlIREaL4DcHs7Xnl7GNKyN/krk5 bI+HexwNQoAbrYNkRd2hvWT5OTB5UVfjxXdU2CH7PcySRgx+4/BVTLs8gOzZJPVKDSfxBTK tG8XvNikvDqljjvpkS9BA== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/FLRmekSUeLBrr3_CaKKSIW_8GaQ Subject: [xml2rfc] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-reschke-xml2rfc-09.txt X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:42:20 -0000 (FYI) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-reschke-xml2rfc-09.txt Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 08:33:05 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Julian F. Reschke , "Julian F. Reschke" A new version of I-D, draft-reschke-xml2rfc-09.txt has been successfully submitted by Julian F. Reschke and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-reschke-xml2rfc Revision: 09 Title: The 'XML2RFC' version 2 Vocabulary Document date: 2014-06-22 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 66 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-reschke-xml2rfc-09.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-reschke-xml2rfc/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-reschke-xml2rfc-09 Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-reschke-xml2rfc-09 Abstract: This document defines the 'XML2RFC' version 2 vocabulary; an XML- based language used for writing RFCs and Internet-Drafts. Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor) Discussion of this draft takes place on the XML2RFC mailing list (xml2rfc@ietf.org), which has its home page at . 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The IETF Secretariat From nobody Sun Jun 22 18:13:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D371A03AF for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:13:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.652 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.652 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0ulO-_3Y178q for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp02.att.com (egssmtp02.att.com [144.160.128.166]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3461A0396 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp02.att.com ( EGS R6 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5N1DSN4032721 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:13:29 -0700 Received: from vpn-135-70-99-106.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.99.106]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140623011327gw100j0cb6e>; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 01:13:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.99.106] Message-ID: <53A77F37.7090302@att.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 21:13:27 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elwyn Davies , xml2rfc mailing list References: <1403356626.2995.5524.camel@mightyatom> In-Reply-To: <1403356626.2995.5524.camel@mightyatom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/2P7Ejkcxa60etJDvE95DvUAoavk Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Seeking a larger can... X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 01:13:31 -0000 On 6/21/14, 9:17 AM, Elwyn Davies wrote: > Problem 6: The old v1 processor doesn't handle the permanent redirects > for xml.resource.org. Entities using xml.resource.org are now flagged > as errors and have to be rewritten to use xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org. I've fixed this, but only because the RFC Editor still occasionally checks things under v1. Tony Hansen From nobody Sun Jun 22 19:23:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA351B287A for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 19:23:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.1 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zf9pkMaeAvGh for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 19:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 620B81B2876 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 19:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scintmta01-14.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scintmta01-14.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.64]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s5N2NGC9077293 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 19:23:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp) Received: from scmeg01-14.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scmeg01-14.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.15]) by scintmta01-14.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4987E32E588; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:23:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from itmail2.it.aoyama.ac.jp (unknown [133.2.206.134]) by scmeg01-14.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 0c37_5a80_548cc9d7_ab2a_4b43_8715_ce077855ac9d; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:23:09 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [133.2.210.1]) by itmail2.it.aoyama.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE974BFB5A; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:23:09 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <53A78F7D.7040802@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:22:53 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke , xml2rfc References: <20140622153305.23119.82840.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <53A6F93E.30501@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <53A6F93E.30501@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/VJd4ThFXF3RuqPRGuc3Ba6EcCqs Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-reschke-xml2rfc-09.txt X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 02:23:27 -0000 On 2014/06/23 00:41, Julian Reschke wrote: > A new version of I-D, draft-reschke-xml2rfc-09.txt > has been successfully submitted by Julian F. Reschke and posted to the > IETF repository. > Abstract: > This document defines the 'XML2RFC' version 2 vocabulary; an XML- > based language used for writing RFCs and Internet-Drafts. It would be good if the abstract used a line or two to give more details about the vocabulary, i.e. "currently used by RFC editor" or "planned for future use" whatever is appropriate. Regards, Martin. From nobody Tue Jun 24 05:27:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9231B2910 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 05:27:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.801 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_FAIL=0.001, TVD_SUBJ_NUM_OBFU_MINFP=3.999] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pguAwAwCiLSD for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 05:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 749451B2901 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 05:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s5OCRK5T012749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 05:27:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([217.91.35.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ltqmn-1WZsCK1Jht-011Eg9; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 14:26:33 +0200 Message-ID: <53A96E6A.1040102@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 14:26:18 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:qRd5/RxeUYBr7i1fPB0rKEKdueIhfLbzyRMtWA/eobnH917Q0wS ZUihQJbyjTyRfvnJJRzf/bn6/TPI75bkKk/F6V0gs6rV95jxGXK6BhV9CnuiBnPZtLX15Ji gjLg7hCFXMHfoti5NRIpgiyH1AuW1+zxa8P+YKxpI70GI/+51tNlOUV+rAjq7vdsiaBHz8m JHpH0g2s0jBOG+ZDEejkA== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/6IQ_o_-Z8gokLtYjYwbRAzJzALw Subject: [xml2rfc] xml2rfc live preview in browsers X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:27:52 -0000 Hi there, I just added a small feature to rfc2629.xslt (or actually to the HTML/JS code it generates) that allows to run a text editor and a browser side-by-side, with the browser auto-refreshing (and navigating to the latest change). It also reports XML parsing errors (which may help to catch structural bugs earlier). This currently requires either Firefox or Chrome (with some limitations). Details: Download: (Note that this mode inherits are XML-related browser constraints, such as no support for inclusion of XML from different origins) Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Jun 24 05:46:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175F51B29AD for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 05:46:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L6x3Katj2cYu for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 05:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94A111B28F2 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 05:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (Debian-exim@zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s5OCkA35012947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 05:46:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from henrik@levkowetz.com) Received: from localhost ([::1]:35736 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1WzQ6t-0005cv-Bw; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 05:46:08 -0700 Message-ID: <53A97305.2070704@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 14:45:57 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke , xml2rfc References: <53A96E6A.1040102@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <53A96E6A.1040102@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: julian.reschke@gmx.de, xml2rfc@lists.xml.resource.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/ShBQ2PB8uenphTfOwbScNHyDqws Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] xml2rfc live preview in browsers X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:46:20 -0000 On 2014-06-24 14:26 Julian Reschke said: > Hi there, > > I just added a small feature to rfc2629.xslt (or actually to the HTML/JS > code it generates) that allows to run a text editor and a browser > side-by-side, with the browser auto-refreshing (and navigating to the > latest change). Cool, Julian! :-) Henrik > It also reports XML parsing errors (which may help to catch structural > bugs earlier). > > This currently requires either Firefox or Chrome (with some limitations). > > Details: > > > Download: > > (Note that this mode inherits are XML-related browser constraints, such > as no support for inclusion of XML from different origins) > > Best regards, Julian > From nobody Fri Jun 27 00:47:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAD41B3173 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 00:47:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0SZ9Km5qKO9N for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 00:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 743531B3129 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 00:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [23.242.155.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8173922E257 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 03:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53AD2145.1080203@seantek.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 00:46:13 -0700 From: Sean Leonard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/in84vetXpK2A-ljj_KERTSf1B4s Subject: [xml2rfc] Selective horizontal lines between rows in X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 07:47:13 -0000 In xml2rfc (latest version, 2.4.8), is it possible to issue selective horizontal lines between some rows--but not all rows--in elements? I see that has a style attribute, but that does not seem granular enough. For example: +----------+---------------------------+-----------+ | H1 | H2 | H3 | +----------+---------------------------+-----------+ | aaaaaaa | description of thing | 4 | | bbbbbbb | description of thing | 4 | | ccccccc | description of thing | 4 | +----------+---------------------------+-----------| | yyyyyyyy | description of thing | 4 | | zzzzzzzz | description of thing | 4 | +----------+---------------------------+-----------+ If not, what is the least messy way to achieve this? From nobody Fri Jun 27 02:46:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F461B2F29 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H36_T8lJrFlY for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 02:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0C811B2CF5 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 02:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.160] ([93.217.104.21]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lk81O-1WPkL513pi-00c6tS; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:46:10 +0200 Message-ID: <53AD3D56.3070005@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:45:58 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Leonard , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <53AD2145.1080203@seantek.com> In-Reply-To: <53AD2145.1080203@seantek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:+V0kB3YY7OrEuzA2wLanRXCF7+UYXiF3+dghGH/Vcp1jNAkxidw FLbrZh3ppSEU+p2FpVK2150jg6mLZgT1gxb18ZIbFy03NJQ2pXhWzLPLfq/GSRKFZT25/yS ozsdYtv6CsD+nVTF0qMbkCuHKOBBqc9zqeArJmi48oUwDF13fEW+9kD7YUswITiYWDkz2BC v+yi6aWd3s1tHfoOWoF4Q== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/5DhVrehrDiPdRsD7enq3FJuiJtA Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Selective horizontal lines between rows in X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:46:16 -0000 On 2014-06-27 09:46, Sean Leonard wrote: > In xml2rfc (latest version, 2.4.8), is it possible to issue selective > horizontal lines between some rows--but not all rows--in > elements? I see that has a style attribute, but that does > not seem granular enough. > > For example: > > +----------+---------------------------+-----------+ > | H1 | H2 | H3 | > +----------+---------------------------+-----------+ > | aaaaaaa | description of thing | 4 | > | bbbbbbb | description of thing | 4 | > | ccccccc | description of thing | 4 | > +----------+---------------------------+-----------| > | yyyyyyyy | description of thing | 4 | > | zzzzzzzz | description of thing | 4 | > +----------+---------------------------+-----------+ No. > If not, what is the least messy way to achieve this? I'd say just don't. You would need to switch away from proper tables. Note that a revision of the format is currently discussed, you may want to read and provide feedback. 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[173.206.0.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l5sm14170468igr.15.2014.06.27.07.47.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 27 Jun 2014 07:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53AD83EE.60407@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:47:10 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Leonard , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <53AD2145.1080203@seantek.com> In-Reply-To: <53AD2145.1080203@seantek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/IYFQTfoDRGxd8XF-wZntYMyP8wA Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Selective horizontal lines between rows in X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 14:47:14 -0000 Faced with this situation I've inserted dashes manually as table content (i.e., -). Tom Taylor On 27/06/2014 3:46 AM, Sean Leonard wrote: > In xml2rfc (latest version, 2.4.8), is it possible to issue selective > horizontal lines between some rows--but not all rows--in > elements? I see that has a style attribute, but that does > not seem granular enough. > > For example: > > +----------+---------------------------+-----------+ > | H1 | H2 | H3 | > +----------+---------------------------+-----------+ > | aaaaaaa | description of thing | 4 | > | bbbbbbb | description of thing | 4 | > | ccccccc | description of thing | 4 | > +----------+---------------------------+-----------| > | yyyyyyyy | description of thing | 4 | > | zzzzzzzz | description of thing | 4 | > +----------+---------------------------+-----------+ > > > If not, what is the least messy way to achieve this? > > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > . > From nobody Fri Jun 27 08:31:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538391B3234 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:31:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dOKOoQWQKUxq for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FA191B3174 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [23.242.155.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A32722E2BA for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53AD8E0A.20501@seantek.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:30:18 -0700 From: Sean Leonard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <53AD2145.1080203@seantek.com> <53AD83EE.60407@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53AD83EE.60407@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/j7xtm4KGOUusRsHv3dSLOBlV6Vg Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Selective horizontal lines between rows in X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 15:31:17 -0000 Sounds like I am not the only person who wants this functionality. I would like to offer two proposals for this for future xml2rfc versions:= element, which is a separator. Must occur inside =20 between cell rows. or Add a separator border immediately above the cell. This= =20 allows each cell to have a separator. For a complete break, all elements in = the row need to have the style=3D"sep" attribute set. -Sean On 6/27/2014 7:47 AM, Tom Taylor wrote: > Faced with this situation I've inserted dashes manually as table=20 > content (i.e., -). > > Tom Taylor > > On 27/06/2014 3:46 AM, Sean Leonard wrote: >> In xml2rfc (latest version, 2.4.8), is it possible to issue selective >> horizontal lines between some rows--but not all rows--in >> elements? I see that has a style attribute, but that does >> not seem granular enough. >> >> For example: >> >> +----------+---------------------------+-----------+ >> | H1 | H2 | H3 | >> +----------+---------------------------+-----------+ >> | aaaaaaa | description of thing | 4 | >> | bbbbbbb | description of thing | 4 | >> | ccccccc | description of thing | 4 | >> +----------+---------------------------+-----------| >> | yyyyyyyy | description of thing | 4 | >> | zzzzzzzz | description of thing | 4 | >> +----------+---------------------------+-----------+ >> >> >> If not, what is the least messy way to achieve this? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> xml2rfc mailing list >> xml2rfc@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc >> . >> From nobody Fri Jun 27 08:50:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AEB41B2E96 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:50:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MdAVIDsv3thf for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D75071B2C00 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [23.242.155.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C62EB22E256 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53AD929A.4030609@seantek.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:49:46 -0700 From: Sean Leonard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/ENG11PGFvrgU-FZgNWTOEI5_7dA Subject: [xml2rfc] Line breaking in texttable X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 15:50:40 -0000 I am trying to include text in a texttable containing line breaks. The use case is that there are items in the left column with one-to-many associations in the right column. An Internet search lead me to attempt to have multiple rows, where in subsequent rows, the left columns are blank and the right column contains one line each. The text output looks fine, but in the HTML output, there are thin interior borders that look poor and break the one-to-many association that I am trying to demonstrate. In the current xml2rfc, cannot appear in . In draft-reschke-xml2rfc, is deprecated--making it worse. What are the options? Thanks, Sean From nobody Fri Jun 27 09:04:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CDA1B2EFA for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:04:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z0mZeC3ZAJAe for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B4661B2EC0 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.160] ([93.217.104.21]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Mb45P-1XGJAn19LP-00Kh8l; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:04:34 +0200 Message-ID: <53AD95F7.906@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:04:07 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Leonard , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <53AD929A.4030609@seantek.com> In-Reply-To: <53AD929A.4030609@seantek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:rh+nU2hnltIM8aIq4gU3s09nbK3Y4uzYPWSK7uCS6+O6VnYPi8w HOT6wfE7Jw3wn0lIxuGCl0HSKmO9fKuXIKNSvkzd+Nerj58oM5TGocd7jcTfe/MnEWYVX3m JxBzJIAQZf6ceZ9ir3LS1kr4IkhY00Lltck6YPftRS0bKopAEWshGxk+mwdBlvPjdGlLdFH 8cjn/BhX7sCNnmAmOlxLQ== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/ItuaUy5e8srC2VjBSgokL0i8PrU Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Line breaking in texttable X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 16:04:41 -0000 On 2014-06-27 17:49, Sean Leonard wrote: > I am trying to include text in a texttable containing line breaks. The > use case is that there are items in the left column with one-to-many > associations in the right column. > > An Internet search lead me to attempt to have multiple rows, where in > subsequent rows, the left columns are blank and the right column > contains one line each. The text output looks fine, but in the HTML > output, there are thin interior borders that look poor and break the > one-to-many association that I am trying to demonstrate. > > In the current xml2rfc, cannot appear in . In Yes. s are really primitive; this is a known limitation. > draft-reschke-xml2rfc, is deprecated--making it worse. It's not. > What are the options? Right now: I don't think there are any. In the future: provide feedback on the new format, which is supposed to get an entirely new table model. Best regards, Julian From nobody Fri Jun 27 10:02:41 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8A01B28E3 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eONn3TIJS-sL for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01ED11A03C5 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [23.242.155.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B94FE22E259; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53ADA372.6050309@seantek.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:01:38 -0700 From: Sean Leonard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke , xml2rfc@ietf.org, draft-hoffman-xml2rfc@tools.ietf.org References: <53AD929A.4030609@seantek.com> <53AD95F7.906@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <53AD95F7.906@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/Y41zAtG5LHVDsE0dyU-VQBUEi7s Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Line breaking in texttable X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 17:02:39 -0000 On 6/27/2014 9:04 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2014-06-27 17:49, Sean Leonard wrote: >> I am trying to include text in a texttable containing line breaks. > [...] >> What are the options? > > Right now: I don't think there are any. In the future: provide=20 > feedback on the new format, which is supposed to get an entirely new=20 > table model. Please consider this feedback on the new format=20 (draft-hoffman-xml2rfc-08), then: Bring back. It is useful for line breaks. It is sort of crazy=20 that a basic layout feature,
, has been in HTML since version 2.0=20 but is not allowable here. Change the RelaxNG in to state: c =3D element c { (text | xref ... | vspace)* If vspace is "so objectionable", then just add a
element. Best regards, Sean From nobody Sun Jun 29 03:47:35 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB38B1A0453 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 03:47:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hozT2LVm1JnP for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 03:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E6101A044D for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 03:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [23.242.155.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 62EB022E255 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 06:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53AFEE8C.6070103@seantek.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 03:46:36 -0700 From: Sean Leonard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/QiO8rn8piaGxfggwCuU1hfTwDL4 Subject: [xml2rfc] Where to submit a patch X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:47:33 -0000 I would like to make a contribution to the xml2rfc code. Who are the current maintainers (is it Henrik Levkowetz?), and what is the best way to discuss and submit the patch? I checked out the xml2rfc-dev list but it's pretty dead. Best regards, Sean From nobody Sun Jun 29 04:59:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4931A0467 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 04:59:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KXjNMdHG_quo for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 04:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFE8F1A0347 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 04:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.160] ([93.217.107.120]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MBnPX-1WqSGX2ddf-00Amb2; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 13:59:18 +0200 Message-ID: <53AFFF8E.3080101@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 13:59:10 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Leonard , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <53AFEE8C.6070103@seantek.com> In-Reply-To: <53AFEE8C.6070103@seantek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:M1YFUbQ5iicBhX6cIKYVegS/xbMp/oXa6A+NMM1rQisTGvi4EMg BjChhpim22SOv8yk6RAlZBQSoefOWzFm47bPjjvFi/hIYvldsc9cMIxG+uRnjaYhyyfL/bu ex+U5tXAw3lfvf13rQ7IBdjrCy+vL1BHNAcu2n9qaPtJrWKGOfV7fPfhCVPYLLxNxzG7eA1 ESWHjhe+xyNVli/iI/3Dw== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/MA8mIHZsLVEFFr34ggwp2R52LPE Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Where to submit a patch X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:59:25 -0000 On 2014-06-29 12:46, Sean Leonard wrote: > I would like to make a contribution to the xml2rfc code. Who are the > current maintainers (is it Henrik Levkowetz?), and what is the best way > to discuss and submit the patch? I checked out the xml2rfc-dev list but > it's pretty dead. > > Best regards, Sean Issue tracker and subversion repo are here: . Best regards, Julian From nobody Sun Jun 29 14:16:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA61A1A002E for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:16:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RXRNBnoKGLh5 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DE371A002B for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:46722 helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1X1MSr-0002u3-C6; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:16:45 -0700 Message-ID: <53B0823B.5040406@levkowetz.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 23:16:43 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Leonard , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <53AFEE8C.6070103@seantek.com> In-Reply-To: <53AFEE8C.6070103@seantek.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dev+ietf@seantek.com, xml2rfc@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/nPlreBgBGxLspvlbLSu7CWoHInk Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Where to submit a patch X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:16:48 -0000 Hi Sean, On 2014-06-29 12:46 Sean Leonard said the following: > I would like to make a contribution to the xml2rfc code. Who are the > current maintainers (is it Henrik Levkowetz?), and what is the best way > to discuss and submit the patch? I checked out the xml2rfc-dev list but > it's pretty dead. Submitting a patch to me by email, is fine. Sending it to this list should also work, but in that case, please Cc: me to ensure a timely response. You can also post a patch to the issue tracker, but again, a Cc: to me ensures a timely response. We should actually set up the repo so that anybody can create a branch for themselves, commit changes to it, and request a merge, the same way we're doing for the datatracker (see http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/CodeRepository and http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/CodeRepository#Requestingamergetotrunk ) Best regards, Henrik From nobody Sun Jun 29 16:54:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106651A0069 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:54:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.352 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.352 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Rh_bENEK_Yt for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp03.att.com (egssmtp03.att.com [144.160.128.152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E27A1A0064 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp03.att.com ( egs 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5TNsEnf029981 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:54:15 -0700 Received: from vpn-135-70-101-163.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.101.163]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140629235414gw100j0ce7e>; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 23:54:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.101.163] Message-ID: <53B0A725.4010906@att.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 19:54:13 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <53AFEE8C.6070103@seantek.com> <53AFFF8E.3080101@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <53AFFF8E.3080101@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/DtZsUHmqpSmpS6fhdFJ1JNrypDA Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Where to submit a patch X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 23:54:18 -0000 On 6/29/14, 7:59 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2014-06-29 12:46, Sean Leonard wrote: >> I would like to make a contribution to the xml2rfc code. Who are the >> current maintainers (is it Henrik Levkowetz?), and what is the best way >> to discuss and submit the patch? I checked out the xml2rfc-dev list but >> it's pretty dead. > Issue tracker and subversion repo are here: > . We set up xml2rfc-dev when work started on the v2, but the original v2 developers wouldn't use it and never really took off. We've considered shutting it down. For discussions, I suggest you 1) file the issue first, then 2) use this list to talk about it. There are several people who regularly work on the code, but anyone can submit a patch. However, currently only Henrik can push out an official update. Tony From nobody Sun Jun 29 20:32:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A6B1A0127 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:32:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6UHilxM6f1FW for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A5EB1A0120 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:60167 helo=zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1X1SKi-00083k-KL; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:32:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "xml2rfc issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: henrik@levkowetz.com, dev+ietf@seantek.com X-Trac-Project: xml2rfc Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 03:32:44 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ticket/262 Message-ID: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 262 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik@levkowetz.com, dev+ietf@seantek.com, xml2rfc@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac@tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/WshwDpz3ikLEzNfySqHBFigxbtg Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: [xml2rfc] #262 (Version 2 cli): Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 03:32:47 -0000 #262: Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble I have an I-D that needed line breaks in table cells, but xml2rfc 2.4.8 doesn't support in c, preamble, or postamble. So, I added support for that! Please see the attached patch file. The patch also includes a tangential fix for a typo in the source code, "outpur" to "output". -- ----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Reporter: dev+ietf@seantek.com | Owner: henrik@levkowetz.com Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Component: Version 2 cli | Version: 2.4.x Keywords: vspace | ----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Ticket URL: xml2rfc From nobody Sun Jun 29 20:47:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2841C1A0142 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:47:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NS_bauIyrfWI for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1B8C1A0140 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.151] (unknown [23.242.155.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C47F322E1F3; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 23:47:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Leonard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:47:12 -0700 Message-Id: To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/13tP_iloBoycT3xxys5bCCOjT18 Subject: [xml2rfc] Discuss patch (ticket #262) to add vspace to texttables X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 03:47:25 -0000 Per Henrik and Tony's comments, I am writing to the list to discuss the = patch (ticket #262) to add vspace to texttables. http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ticket/262 The patch attached to that ticket # includes code for text and HTML = output so that elements can include for hard line breaks. = and can now also include . I used these = in a recent Internet-Draft. I think the patch is pretty straightforward... Thanks! Sean= From nobody Mon Jun 30 00:07:00 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483DA1A019D for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 00:06:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 91txlDqTA-FZ for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 00:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B72FD1A0198 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 00:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:40194 helo=zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1X1Vfy-00082t-IL; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 00:06:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "xml2rfc issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: henrik@levkowetz.com, julian.reschke@gmx.de X-Trac-Project: xml2rfc Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:06:54 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ticket/262#comment:1 Message-ID: <083.233f9cdfdd93ab557cb12b8b811d297b@tools.ietf.org> References: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 262 In-Reply-To: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik@levkowetz.com, julian.reschke@gmx.de, xml2rfc@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac@tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/h342cHdzM_uqvHHPVGq6_UGNSxw Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #262 (Version 2 cli): Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:06:57 -0000 #262: Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble Comment (by julian.reschke@gmx.de): I don't believe we should do this right now. Let's put the energy into coming up with a proper table model in v3 instead. -- -----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Reporter: dev+ietf@seantek.com | Owner: henrik@levkowetz.com Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Component: Version 2 cli | Version: 2.4.x Resolution: | Keywords: vspace -----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Ticket URL: xml2rfc From nobody Mon Jun 30 02:44:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9721A01CB for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 02:44:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 38Fe-8XSVRXQ for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 02:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7850B1A00B7 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 02:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:47257 helo=zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1X1Y8g-0007cR-Fr; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 02:44:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "xml2rfc issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: henrik@levkowetz.com, julian.reschke@gmx.de, dev+ietf@seantek.com X-Trac-Project: xml2rfc Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 09:44:42 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ticket/262#comment:2 Message-ID: <083.9af8ad12c075e950eab6a49f43b11571@tools.ietf.org> References: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 262 In-Reply-To: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik@levkowetz.com, julian.reschke@gmx.de, dev+ietf@seantek.com, xml2rfc@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac@tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/eIyKD9OnGgHxG8j0vTQUhVkVAU0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #262 (Version 2 cli): Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 09:44:45 -0000 #262: Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble Comment (by dev+ietf@seantek.com): Well, it's already done. The patch already adds support for it, and the functionality works well. I understand that you really want to come up with a "proper table model" in v3. That's fine. vpsace is deprecated in v3. But in v2, vspace is alive and well, and people are using it in their specifications. Let's make v2 count. Thanks. -- -----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Reporter: dev+ietf@seantek.com | Owner: henrik@levkowetz.com Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Component: Version 2 cli | Version: 2.4.x Resolution: | Keywords: vspace -----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Ticket URL: xml2rfc From nobody Mon Jun 30 02:54:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA471A01DC for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 02:54:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c0FOkLwskrL4 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 02:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C48B51A01D2 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 02:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]:47726 helo=zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1X1YHs-0005Bs-At; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 02:54:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "xml2rfc issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: henrik@levkowetz.com, julian.reschke@gmx.de, dev+ietf@seantek.com X-Trac-Project: xml2rfc Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 09:54:12 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ticket/262#comment:3 Message-ID: <083.80fbfc8b55d7d61154863b3fa740ec90@tools.ietf.org> References: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 262 In-Reply-To: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik@levkowetz.com, julian.reschke@gmx.de, dev+ietf@seantek.com, xml2rfc@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac@tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/7SrkbvhZGznuFhZ-pEI1_tg8OB4 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #262 (Version 2 cli): Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 09:54:20 -0000 #262: Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble Comment (by julian.reschke@gmx.de): In v2, vspace is not allowed in the place where you are using it. The fact that it's allowed elsewhere is totally irrelevant. Again, let's not put energy into things we'll change in v3 anyway, and in particular not if it's clearly a nice-to-have. -- -----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Reporter: dev+ietf@seantek.com | Owner: henrik@levkowetz.com Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Component: Version 2 cli | Version: 2.4.x Resolution: | Keywords: vspace -----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Ticket URL: xml2rfc From nobody Mon Jun 30 07:25:35 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FB41A0348 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:25:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.235 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.235 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B38tK3u-MEzD for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe14:43:76:96:62:17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F491A0347 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Le7u1o00216LCl05AeRXrG; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:25:31 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([50.138.229.164]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LeRW1o00x3ZTu2S3SeRWV9; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:25:31 +0000 Message-ID: <53B1735A.9060801@alum.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:25:30 -0400 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> <083.80fbfc8b55d7d61154863b3fa740ec90@tools.ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <083.80fbfc8b55d7d61154863b3fa740ec90@tools.ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1404138331; bh=2b6gsCWLCj5GTpsJ7VVpRST+XhDf5pB0zEZrcYzUS4M=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=iw4JnhUFPfqCNQiVY0CMjsNQsP+9RJvhptDK/CBejnnJ2cTtWb36Lr6QauClSSNW/ xNizsen7exZMC3hg31wb5C5A//tvb1WHLtFzQ9Oy38ORHijCWuP+rSjHCU87vT88Vl ZvVxCodCzl2NXwqFSMw3CCGUtPFYH9Z4l5Rps/1V708/Ax0VUhZ1/O2pYlgcYwLYbv n/hBr94jIznD60M690Pjk19pKtgYAOnRrLIcwRCkcJClT3mbPxpqtPQMKpVZVU85T0 yTGbKkh9JKG/05jAdiLULsGrEIpcfRlaWjNqhrkhmnUHmk8BbN09a52J8XzZXI6Z5J sD98NsAUGXFfg== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/bmoO0XX2eZHnir9yi5ZTwsA0a1Y Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #262 (Version 2 cli): Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:25:32 -0000 On 6/30/14 5:54 AM, xml2rfc issue tracker wrote: > #262: Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble > > > Comment (by julian.reschke@gmx.de): > > In v2, vspace is not allowed in the place where you are using it. The fact > that it's allowed elsewhere is totally irrelevant. > > Again, let's not put energy into things we'll change in v3 anyway, and in > particular not if it's clearly a nice-to-have. > Julian - it is not like it is *your* energy. If the people who are doing the work want to do it then why object? From nobody Mon Jun 30 07:35:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CED1A036A for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:35:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tx0zXgf8pS-Y for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 640E41A035B for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.90] (50-1-51-60.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s5UEZI2o022458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:35:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: hoffman.proper.com: Host 50-1-51-60.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.60] claimed to be [10.20.30.90] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <53B1735A.9060801@alum.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:35:18 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <219B5F96-14C6-4923-B993-7E5E1237452A@vpnc.org> References: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> <083.80fbfc8b55d7d61154863b3fa740ec90@tools.ietf.org> <53B1735A.9060801@alum.mit.edu> To: Paul Kyzivat X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/2rjLMy8YUPxdI4qlHpMMRgRQy9w Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #262 (Version 2 cli): Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:35:23 -0000 On Jun 30, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > On 6/30/14 5:54 AM, xml2rfc issue tracker wrote: >> #262: Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble >>=20 >>=20 >> Comment (by julian.reschke@gmx.de): >>=20 >> In v2, vspace is not allowed in the place where you are using it. = The fact >> that it's allowed elsewhere is totally irrelevant. >>=20 >> Again, let's not put energy into things we'll change in v3 anyway, = and in >> particular not if it's clearly a nice-to-have. >>=20 >=20 > Julian - it is not like it is *your* energy. If the people who are = doing the work want to do it then why object? I cannot speak for Julian, but I can say that people have asked us to = not make the v2 schema a moving target. Many people would prefer = stability of the format and the tools. The fact that, in 2014, someone = discovers a change to v2 that would help them with one RFC is not a = compelling reason to change. --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Mon Jun 30 07:39:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411181A036A for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:39:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NuKVr3oLuZ5j for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E22B71A035F for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([217.91.35.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LxcbX-1WZKDY3LNj-017I4u; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 16:39:24 +0200 Message-ID: <53B17692.9070708@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 16:39:14 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Kyzivat , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> <083.80fbfc8b55d7d61154863b3fa740ec90@tools.ietf.org> <53B1735A.9060801@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <53B1735A.9060801@alum.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:qxFZLR7DWQ8nZMJvimaoM76pAn5daH6fiiDjXEEcexdaWdkAHc7 bHybj2ZyXr7k4AZtPiccqywHBQmP6uqQCT7wkSOsJ0FbE4H5Gecl+FsWXAYdR3JI0wzNOOz B/PkjMN8DpoSPE01Eav6fFVxMNI0/CtKt6hcYGLQsawYTyNNSlXbvyEK/aVm7mcbUgPlopJ K9QGxgyFuYwxmjjfOO4Qg== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/CH0hGDQPdL4LKTglKmHXXGRH7rs Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #262 (Version 2 cli): Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:39:31 -0000 On 2014-06-30 16:25, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > On 6/30/14 5:54 AM, xml2rfc issue tracker wrote: >> #262: Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble >> >> >> Comment (by julian.reschke@gmx.de): >> >> In v2, vspace is not allowed in the place where you are using it. >> The fact >> that it's allowed elsewhere is totally irrelevant. >> >> Again, let's not put energy into things we'll change in v3 anyway, >> and in >> particular not if it's clearly a nice-to-have. >> > > Julian - it is not like it is *your* energy. If the people who are doing > the work want to do it then why object? - another thing that needs to be converted once we switch - invalid XML the RFC production center will need to deal with - people asking for support in rfc2629.xslt So yes, it *will* affect me as well. Help reviewing the "v3" draft -- that's what would be helpful. Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon Jun 30 07:55:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923FA1A0367 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:55:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1fEg26PkDhj3 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp01.att.com (egssmtp01.att.com [144.160.112.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504161A035C for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 07:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp01.att.com ( egs 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5UEtOjQ008598 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 09:55:24 -0500 Received: from vpn-135-70-99-20.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.99.20]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140630145523gw100j0ceee>; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:55:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.99.20] Message-ID: <53B17A5B.2000700@att.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:55:23 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> <083.80fbfc8b55d7d61154863b3fa740ec90@tools.ietf.org> <53B1735A.9060801@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <53B1735A.9060801@alum.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/h9wZqNA_dpf-9bfjHaVTgDa-qMk Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #262 (Version 2 cli): Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:55:26 -0000 On 6/30/14, 10:25 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > On 6/30/14 5:54 AM, xml2rfc issue tracker wrote: >> #262: Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble >> >> >> Comment (by julian.reschke@gmx.de): >> >> In v2, vspace is not allowed in the place where you are using it. >> The fact >> that it's allowed elsewhere is totally irrelevant. >> >> Again, let's not put energy into things we'll change in v3 anyway, >> and in >> particular not if it's clearly a nice-to-have. > > Julian - it is not like it is *your* energy. If the people who are > doing the work want to do it then why object? And there's the rub. You're not seeing the cascading affect of this modification. A change like this doesn't just affect the python code, which was provided. (Thank you.) But it ALSO affects the grammar, which has not been addressed at all by the provided patch. And Julian (and a bunch of others) are currently involved in a process of documenting the *current* v2 grammar (not extending it). So it does DIRECTLY affect his (and others') work load. A change to the grammar ALSO affects other processors that use that same grammar. The v2 python code is not the only code that would need to change if someone starts adding in places that the grammar does not currently allow. We would REALLY love to consider the v2 grammar to be frozen and avoid what (to us) is an extremely late suggestion. On the flip side, there is a parallel effort defining the new v3 grammar, which DOES have a variety of extensions (and deprecations). The discussion has shown to me (at least) that is a place where the functionality of "add a blank line here" or "add a line break here" would be useful. The way we addressed this in the v3 grammar for lists (which have a similar desire for the functionality) was to allow the
  • element used within
      /
      /
        's to have multiple elements. This suggests to me that we should all look at if the v3 grammar should provide a way to also gain similar functionality. Perhaps it can do something similar to
      1. . Tony Hansen PS. The current v2 grammar can be found in draft-reschke-xml2rfc. The proposed v3 grammar can be found in draft-hoffman-xml2rfc. From nobody Mon Jun 30 08:38:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE11A1A0397 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 08:38:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GrQBDzKeHea5 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 08:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD731A0392 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 08:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [23.242.155.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F7A522E25B for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 11:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53B1845E.7060909@seantek.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 08:38:06 -0700 From: Sean Leonard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> <083.80fbfc8b55d7d61154863b3fa740ec90@tools.ietf.org> <53B1735A.9060801@alum.mit.edu> <53B17A5B.2000700@att.com> In-Reply-To: <53B17A5B.2000700@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/An7G3julXDWsnqfgzez_rad42zQ Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #262 (Version 2 cli): Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 15:38:11 -0000 On 6/30/2014 7:55 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > On 6/30/14, 10:25 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >> On 6/30/14 5:54 AM, xml2rfc issue tracker wrote: >>> #262: Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble >>> >>> >>> Comment (by julian.reschke@gmx.de): >>> >>> In v2, vspace is not allowed in the place where you are using it.=20 >>> The fact >>> that it's allowed elsewhere is totally irrelevant. >>> >>> Again, let's not put energy into things we'll change in v3 anyway, = >>> and in >>> particular not if it's clearly a nice-to-have. >> >> Julian - it is not like it is *your* energy. If the people who are=20 >> doing the work want to do it then why object? > > And there's the rub. You're not seeing the cascading affect of this=20 > modification. > > A change like this doesn't just affect the python code, which was=20 > provided. (Thank you.) But it ALSO affects the grammar, which has not=20 > been addressed at all by the provided patch. > > And Julian (and a bunch of others) are currently involved in a process = > of documenting the *current* v2 grammar (not extending it). So it does = > DIRECTLY affect his (and others') work load. > [...] > The discussion has shown to me (at least) that is a place where=20 > the functionality of "add a blank line here" or "add a line break=20 > here" would be useful. I am willing to assist with documenting, so as to reduce the work load=20 of others. It was not my intent to dump work on other people. As a tool=20 or product becomes more popular, more users will find increasingly=20 diverse uses for it. Inflexibility of a tool only encourages users to=20 migrate elsewhere. In the patch file add-vspace.patch, I also modified the rfc2629.dtd=20 grammar. By "the grammar", do you also mean the I-D=20 draft-reschke-xml2rfc? If so I can supply the requisite text for=20 draft-reschke-xml2rfc-10 prior to the cutoff time on Friday. It may be a = late suggestion, but from the perspective of newcomers to (this part of) = xml2rfc, it is an obvious omission. Respectfully submitted, Sean Leonard From nobody Mon Jun 30 08:43:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFE01A0397 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 08:43:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R8yqE8eT8PoG for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 08:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F1051A0389 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 08:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([217.91.35.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LkBPy-1WV45G3Dxa-00c5n5; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 17:43:49 +0200 Message-ID: <53B185AC.6050700@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 17:43:40 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Leonard , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> <083.80fbfc8b55d7d61154863b3fa740ec90@tools.ietf.org> <53B1735A.9060801@alum.mit.edu> <53B17A5B.2000700@att.com> <53B1845E.7060909@seantek.com> In-Reply-To: <53B1845E.7060909@seantek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:u6glPZXf/IOzJLwg93YAE+/4fz7gNwEbv7m8Q7O9IiYCy6c2rav brjmUxqdhctO2qOoIyVgnTgZM0b7B076+iC73x7fhujPFduEgzHDa7RRXS3UYE7JBCLKGf2 ZKZCNG1XUC2b6m/F7c2IsVLySBncUMtlWLnev4NZh1EDlX2EDoZMCeKcyyqDqjt9mCKtqPM MJPJ3R6sw6jyEy0eVbKCQ== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/_1I1fSD0qfZlakimcDj6b5zlXcQ Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #262 (Version 2 cli): Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 15:43:55 -0000 On 2014-06-30 17:38, Sean Leonard wrote: > ... >> And there's the rub. You're not seeing the cascading affect of this >> modification. >> >> A change like this doesn't just affect the python code, which was >> provided. (Thank you.) But it ALSO affects the grammar, which has not >> been addressed at all by the provided patch. >> >> And Julian (and a bunch of others) are currently involved in a process >> of documenting the *current* v2 grammar (not extending it). So it does >> DIRECTLY affect his (and others') work load. >> [...] >> The discussion has shown to me (at least) that is a place where >> the functionality of "add a blank line here" or "add a line break >> here" would be useful. > > I am willing to assist with documenting, so as to reduce the work load > of others. It was not my intent to dump work on other people. As a tool > or product becomes more popular, more users will find increasingly > diverse uses for it. Inflexibility of a tool only encourages users to > migrate elsewhere. > > In the patch file add-vspace.patch, I also modified the rfc2629.dtd > grammar. By "the grammar", do you also mean the I-D > draft-reschke-xml2rfc? If so I can supply the requisite text for > draft-reschke-xml2rfc-10 prior to the cutoff time on Friday. It may be a > late suggestion, but from the perspective of newcomers to (this part of) > xml2rfc, it is an obvious omission. > ... The v2 grammar is fixed. We are not making any changes on it anymore. The whole point of the exercise was to document what's implemented and take that as a basis for the v3 discussions. Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon Jun 30 09:17:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899671A038E for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 09:17:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YUuVx-Avyspk for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 09:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp03.att.com (egssmtp03.att.com [144.160.128.152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6462D1A0385 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 09:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp03.att.com ( egs 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5UGH3j7003049 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 09:17:04 -0700 Received: from vpn-135-70-99-20.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.99.20]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140630161702gw100j0cefe>; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 16:17:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.99.20] Message-ID: <53B18D7D.5000306@att.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 12:17:01 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Leonard , xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> <083.80fbfc8b55d7d61154863b3fa740ec90@tools.ietf.org> <53B1735A.9060801@alum.mit.edu> <53B17A5B.2000700@att.com> <53B1845E.7060909@seantek.com> In-Reply-To: <53B1845E.7060909@seantek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/Ly0hB2OYTqN-i-CjUm80iJwAmJg Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] #262 (Version 2 cli): Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 16:17:05 -0000 On 6/30/14, 11:38 AM, Sean Leonard wrote: > On 6/30/2014 7:55 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> On 6/30/14, 10:25 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >>> On 6/30/14 5:54 AM, xml2rfc issue tracker wrote: >>>> #262: Add vspace to c, preamble, postamble >>>> >>>> >>>> Comment (by julian.reschke@gmx.de): >>>> >>>> In v2, vspace is not allowed in the place where you are using it. >>>> The fact >>>> that it's allowed elsewhere is totally irrelevant. >>>> >>>> Again, let's not put energy into things we'll change in v3 >>>> anyway, and in >>>> particular not if it's clearly a nice-to-have. >>> >>> Julian - it is not like it is *your* energy. If the people who are >>> doing the work want to do it then why object? >> >> And there's the rub. You're not seeing the cascading affect of this >> modification. >> >> A change like this doesn't just affect the python code, which was >> provided. (Thank you.) But it ALSO affects the grammar, which has not >> been addressed at all by the provided patch. >> >> And Julian (and a bunch of others) are currently involved in a >> process of documenting the *current* v2 grammar (not extending it). >> So it does DIRECTLY affect his (and others') work load. >> [...] >> The discussion has shown to me (at least) that is a place where >> the functionality of "add a blank line here" or "add a line break >> here" would be useful. > > I am willing to assist with documenting, so as to reduce the work load > of others. It was not my intent to dump work on other people. As a > tool or product becomes more popular, more users will find > increasingly diverse uses for it. Inflexibility of a tool only > encourages users to migrate elsewhere. > > In the patch file add-vspace.patch, I also modified the rfc2629.dtd > grammar. By "the grammar", do you also mean the I-D > draft-reschke-xml2rfc? If so I can supply the requisite text for > draft-reschke-xml2rfc-10 prior to the cutoff time on Friday. It may be > a late suggestion, but from the perspective of newcomers to (this part > of) xml2rfc, it is an obvious omission. You're ignoring the rest of my message. Please direct your energies on how to make the v3 grammar better, not changing the existing v2 grammar. Thank you. Tony Hansen From nobody Mon Jun 30 10:17:04 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840B31A03C9 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:17:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6dKkijnMdiWP for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B5101A0397 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [23.242.155.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 201B422E255 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 13:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53B19B8E.7070107@seantek.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:17:02 -0700 From: Sean Leonard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> <083.80fbfc8b55d7d61154863b3fa740ec90@tools.ietf.org> <53B1735A.9060801@alum.mit.edu> <53B17A5B.2000700@att.com> In-Reply-To: <53B17A5B.2000700@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/QFd2bKXqRdkerkjeyAghJQrifmc Subject: [xml2rfc] Adding line breaks to v3 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 17:17:01 -0000 On 6/30/2014 7:55 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > The discussion has shown to me (at least) that is a place where=20 > the functionality of "add a blank line here" or "add a line break=20 > here" would be useful. > > The way we addressed this in the v3 grammar for lists (which have a=20 > similar desire for the functionality) was to allow the
      2. element=20 > used within
          /
          /
            's to have multiple elements. > > This suggests to me that we should all look at if the v3 grammar=20 > should provide a way to also gain similar functionality. Perhaps it=20 > can do something similar to
          1. . The topic here is being forked to "adding line breaks to v3". From my experience with the current xml2rfc, there is no way (other=20 than ) to break a line with or elements, such that=20 there are no blank spaces between the resulting text blocks. I.e., I want: *** Foo Bar Baz *** not: *** Foo Bar Baz *** If you permit
          2. (or lists in general) as children of in the v3=20 grammar, how can you smush the lines so that they are not separated by a = blank line? If you add elements as children of in the v3=20 grammar, how can you smush the lines so that they are not separated by a = blank line? I do not see a way unless you add some attributes like=20 vspacebefore=3D"0" and vspaceafter=3D"0". My proposal is simple: create a new element,
            , that can appear as=20 children of and in . The element has a 1:1 correspondence with=20 HTML/XHTML, and matches the general trend in draft-hoffman-xml2rfc of=20 having elements like , , , , etc., which are imports=20 from HTML/XHTML. -Sean From nobody Mon Jun 30 10:48:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC081A03B5 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:48:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zX1YdgcZzA8C for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB1A41A03F8 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.90] (50-1-51-60.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s5UHmPoA030886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: hoffman.proper.com: Host 50-1-51-60.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.60] claimed to be [10.20.30.90] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <53B19B8E.7070107@seantek.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:48:24 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3A7EB15A-7BA7-435E-BEFF-4C4AA629DC26@vpnc.org> References: <068.2f261862e93797ca40ae76da118adcd4@tools.ietf.org> <083.80fbfc8b55d7d61154863b3fa740ec90@tools.ietf.org> <53B1735A.9060801@alum.mit.edu> <53B17A5B.2000700@att.com> <53B19B8E.7070107@seantek.com> To: Sean Leonard X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc/eJRMPdsYSHufaPKK8M4EKOG3Tgg Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Adding line breaks to v3 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 17:48:30 -0000 On Jun 30, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Sean Leonard wrote: > On 6/30/2014 7:55 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> The discussion has shown to me (at least) that is a place where = the functionality of "add a blank line here" or "add a line break here" = would be useful. >>=20 >> The way we addressed this in the v3 grammar for lists (which have a = similar desire for the functionality) was to allow the
          3. element used = within
              /
              /
                's to have multiple elements. >>=20 >> This suggests to me that we should all look at if the v3 grammar = should provide a way to also gain similar functionality. Perhaps it can = do something similar to
              1. . >=20 > The topic here is being forked to "adding line breaks to v3". Discussions of the v3 format should take place on the = rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org mailing list. There is already a huge amount = in the archives. > =46rom my experience with the current xml2rfc, there is no way (other = than ) to break a line with or elements, such that = there are no blank spaces between the resulting text blocks. >=20 > I.e., I want: > *** > Foo > Bar > Baz > *** > not: > *** > Foo >=20 > Bar >=20 > Baz > *** >=20 > If you permit
              2. (or lists in general) as children of in the v3 = grammar, how can you smush the lines so that they are not separated by a = blank line? If you add elements as children of in the v3 = grammar, how can you smush the lines so that they are not separated by a = blank line? I do not see a way unless you add some attributes like = vspacebefore=3D"0" and vspaceafter=3D"0". >=20 > My proposal is simple: create a new element,
                , that can appear as = children of and in . The element has a 1:1 correspondence with = HTML/XHTML, and matches the general trend in draft-hoffman-xml2rfc of = having elements like , , , , etc., which are imports = from HTML/XHTML. That is possible. Another possibility is for us to deprecate the text = tables in favor of tables that are much more like HTML. That's been = discussed there too. --Paul Hoffman=