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([2406:e007:43ce:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e1sm18937066pas.1.2016.02.04.10.57.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 04 Feb 2016 10:57:23 -0800 (PST) To: "Max Pritikin (pritikin)" , "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" References: From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <56B39F19.5040305@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 07:57:29 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] message flow notes from design team meeting Feb 4th X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:57:28 -0000 On 05/02/2016 05:30, Max Pritikin (pritikin) wrote: =2E.. > New entity boots in CLEAN STATE > RFC3927 IPv4 Link-Local Address > RFC4862 IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguraion <=E2=80=94 design for t= his Note that you get an IPv6 link-local address even if there is no IPv6 router handing out a prefix for SLAAC, so you can always start operations= =2E >=20 >=20 > --------> >=20 > RFC6763/RFC6762 mDNS query=20 > *or*=20 > ietf-anima-grasp-02 GRASP query > Include a paragraph explaining the choice to be made Note that GRASP discovery intrinsically works on or off link, unlike mDNS= =2E (Supposedly, DNS-SD will fix this, one day.) > =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D do this but is it not required. Include a paragra= ph outlining the tradeoff between speed vs exposing the new device. > This indicates to the network that this new entity is looking to bootst= rap > It leaks some information to watchers that the new device is in CLEAN S= TATE >=20 > <-------- > =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D be broadcast periodically w/o query > RFC6763/RFC6762 mDNS broadcast > *or* > ietf-anima-grasp-02 GRASP broadcast=20 > non-query devices can wait to listen for these > this response/broadcast indicates the local proxy contact information=20 GRASP Flood is your friend. Again, it intrinsically works on or off link.= Running code, if you want to progam in Python. 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