From nobody Tue Apr 12 09:05:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE6612DA0A for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:05:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uwgVc-BkO5qj for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-6.cisco.com (alln-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.142.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76E0112D641 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:05:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=649; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1460477121; x=1461686721; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=E5evWqrW3NYHBkpCM0kjA5MmpsAFWq7EsZG7zuyNWFQ=; b=XG3rZKhM5DdC+KdF2LDLKy65y0kbgG5AfFTljgV0fXbHID+GmRiATTKD yNasjQUWYT7Obcx/RcJd5DdQngntpzK4nwriIuP7avVQFYkMGbwpWz8sV Yy9wCRz2kScszxOW1OyrvpsWMAnOmTXrsPk7Xqh8EKtLI9T//CokBKLR2 g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0D0AQAOHA1X/4QNJK1VCYM3gVa6YAENg?= =?us-ascii?q?XSHQjgUAQEBAQEBAWUcC4RIOlEBPkImAQQbiCCfbaFoAQEIAQEBARyGIYhhhX8?= =?us-ascii?q?FmAgBgSyMWYFYjT+PJgEeAQFCg2eJc34BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,474,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="260561251" Received: from alln-core-10.cisco.com ([173.36.13.132]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 12 Apr 2016 16:05:20 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-010.cisco.com (xch-rcd-010.cisco.com [173.37.102.20]) by alln-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u3CG5KqX021431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:05:20 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-006.cisco.com (173.37.102.16) by XCH-RCD-010.cisco.com (173.37.102.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:05:20 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-006.cisco.com ([173.37.102.16]) by XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com ([173.37.102.16]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:05:20 -0500 From: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" To: "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? Thread-Index: AdGU1I6/KDLvl9W0Tcedv3sYwnzcjA== Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:05:20 +0000 Message-ID: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.55.238.142] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:05:27 -0000 When a new device enrols, an operator will want to know WHERE this device i= s connecting. This includes the proxy identity, plus the interface on the p= roxy. (Potentially more) The proxy identity can be figured out by looking at the source address of t= he incoming packets; but the interface information needs to be added explic= itly, somehow.=20 I see a parallel with DHCP: I think also with our BSKI approach, the need w= ill arise to have something like "DHCP options" that relate to the proxy.=20 Can our enrolment process as described today support such proxy options? If= not, I think we need to re-think...=20 Michael From nobody Tue Apr 12 09:30:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA8512E4CD for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:30:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NlI_boBzz3-L for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C761812E303 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:30:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3268; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1460478639; x=1461688239; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: reply-to:mime-version; bh=SSfrO/zfybYEGB8pqpPALDLxqNys7wbP09pPa+coV+s=; b=b1EE3MB5K8/ymfH+lhf2mYWjiACardA3kpygi9jVhrvNmx0dhtz4Sqwg eeve5SQ7Wpqp3y1Jp96QK9SL0XqQeKAXfq6ArIncY0uQETVm4zJafTtyL 9SuXGDOi1aWTCV4xcGbr8aR5rxx5MX51ZAp8NCXa+fbPySegCuVc5T6gv Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0D2AQCfIQ1X/5tdJa1VCYJrTFN9umYBD?= =?us-ascii?q?YF0FwEJhWwCgTM4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RCAQEEAQEBKkEbAgEIBB0lDxgLDhcCBAE?= =?us-ascii?q?SiCgOtWOLZwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAREEimyEFlaFKQWGMQmRTgGOD?= =?us-ascii?q?I8QjyYBHgEBQoNnbIoFAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.24,475,1454976000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="90975098" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 12 Apr 2016 16:30:39 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com (xch-aln-008.cisco.com [173.36.7.18]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u3CGUcRk023060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:30:38 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-003.cisco.com (173.37.102.13) by XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com (173.36.7.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:30:38 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-003.cisco.com ([173.37.102.13]) by XCH-RCD-003.cisco.com ([173.37.102.13]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:30:38 -0500 From: "Toerless Eckert (eckert)" To: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" , "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? Thread-Index: AQHRlNil/HlFs/dzH0SVA0/ux1qoSw== Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:30:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_fdh4m2i2n6r6y9orh6ed2u8e1460478428794emailandroidcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Toerless Eckert \(eckert\)" List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:30:41 -0000 --_000_fdh4m2i2n6r6y9orh6ed2u8e1460478428794emailandroidcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Grat point. We need option 82. Lets see if this tls proxy draft from michae= lR that max just mentioned can be of help or expanded. Sent from my Samsung Captivate Glide on AT&T "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" wrote: When a new device enrols, an operator will want to know WHERE this device i= s connecting. This includes the proxy identity, plus the interface on the p= roxy. (Potentially more) The proxy identity can be figured out by looking at the source address of t= he incoming packets; but the interface information needs to be added explic= itly, somehow. I see a parallel with DHCP: I think also with our BSKI approach, the need w= ill arise to have something like "DHCP options" that relate to the proxy. Can our enrolment process as described today support such proxy options? If= not, I think we need to re-think... Michael _______________________________________________ Anima-bootstrap mailing list Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap --_000_fdh4m2i2n6r6y9orh6ed2u8e1460478428794emailandroidcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Grat point. We need option 82. Lets see if this tls proxy draft from m= ichaelR that max just mentioned can be of help or expanded.




Sent from my Samsung Captivate = Glide on AT&T

"Michael Behringer (mbehring)" <mbehring@cisco.com> wrote:<= br>
When a new device enrols, an operator will want to= know WHERE this device is connecting. This includes the proxy identity, pl= us the interface on the proxy. (Potentially more)

The proxy identity can be figured out by looking at the source address of t= he incoming packets; but the interface information needs to be added explic= itly, somehow.

I see a parallel with DHCP: I think also with our BSKI approach, the need w= ill arise to have something like "DHCP options" that relate to th= e proxy.

Can our enrolment process as described today support such proxy options? If= not, I think we need to re-think...

Michael


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X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:14:22 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote: > When a new device enrols, an operator will want to know WHERE this > device is connecting. This includes the proxy identity, plus the > interface on the proxy. (Potentially more) > The proxy identity can be figured out by looking at the source address > of the incoming packets; but the interface information needs to be > added explicitly, somehow. Yes, source address of encapsulating packet, and since it's an ACP, and since the proxy negotiated via GRASP with the registrar, the registrar already knows everything. I don't see the problem. > Can our enrolment process as described today support such proxy > options? If not, I think we need to re-think... I think it's a MITM attack for the proxy to add any information to the secure part. 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([2001:df0:0:2006:c0da:ac17:5f6d:8e76]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l4sm46250031pfi.73.2016.04.12.17.46.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:46:52 -0700 (PDT) To: Michael Richardson , "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" References: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <14252.1460506458@obiwan.sandelman.ca> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <570D96FE.1000105@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:46:54 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14252.1460506458@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:46:56 -0000 On 13/04/2016 12:14, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote: > > When a new device enrols, an operator will want to know WHERE this > > device is connecting. This includes the proxy identity, plus the > > interface on the proxy. (Potentially more) > > > The proxy identity can be figured out by looking at the source address > > of the incoming packets; but the interface information needs to be > > added explicitly, somehow. > > Yes, source address of encapsulating packet, and since it's an ACP, and since > the proxy negotiated via GRASP with the registrar, the registrar already > knows everything. > > I don't see the problem. > > > Can our enrolment process as described today support such proxy > > options? If not, I think we need to re-think... > > I think it's a MITM attack for the proxy to add any information to the secure part. > Any information not under the security enclosure may be untrustworthy. If there's a need to discover topology, which I understood Michael B was after, couldn't that be done after enrolment, with no security risk? Brian From nobody Tue Apr 12 17:48:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0FC12DA85 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:48:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PwdBCMrqj-M8 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24DD712DA67 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:48:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2734; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1460508494; x=1461718094; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=eaF75OogqkxECssbmLMa3cgWdSyby8Wx6ZJ+B3rMeIs=; b=HNL+9lvteVLrz6iAtfWvzdT4jN+TdN66rmABM+M+9eoxp3I2Kk4SgvMf NlyqAXgbnEGX3xP4hWBIy1THuBp3hrKJJU0lZxqPXUiCZ9/uyWjc8wY5U brHiUgdoPK2oQ4ei/qfuEdREmhJvDwBTTc1ctbrHKe7PHoNcDDLYUSnax Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0D1AQAMlg1X/4MNJK1VCYM3U326aQENg?= =?us-ascii?q?XYXC4I8gzACgUE4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RCAQEEAQEBNzQLBQsLGAklDwUTNhOIKA7?= =?us-ascii?q?CKgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAREEimyEFhGFbgWNUHSJRI4DCo8QjyceA?= =?us-ascii?q?QFChAccMIoFAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,477,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="259870706" Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 13 Apr 2016 00:48:13 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u3D0mC91020102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:48:13 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3D0mCEB025683; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:48:12 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u3D0mCbj025680; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:48:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:48:12 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Michael Richardson Message-ID: <20160413004812.GG21173@cisco.com> References: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <14252.1460506458@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <14252.1460506458@obiwan.sandelman.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:48:15 -0000 Michael: As MichaelB mentioned, it is quite normal that backend devices try to match up new devices to some port on the connecting device, eg: When a client connects to a switch and sends a DHCP request, the switch adds into the request a DHCP option 82 with the name of the switch port to which the client is connected. That triggers on the DHCP server some policies built against the location that client connects to. I agree that we can not have the proxy break into the TLS connection, but Max was mentioning that there is some data that clients add in some initial TLS setup packet to help a proxy determine which TLS server to connect to (connect-server ??). So there seemingly are parts of the initial connection setup where information can be added in the clear. So why could we not also use this trick and have the proxy add an "option 82" type information piece to the setup packet it sends to the registrar ? The proxy can ensure that it overrides/fixes up any such option 82 if it receives it from the client, and the registrar can trust the option 82 because it receives it via the ACP. Imagine the proxy switch has links to totally different client-side locations. It would be a perfect policy to reject enrollment if the device was mixed up and sent to the wrong location. Cheers toerless On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 08:14:18PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote: > > When a new device enrols, an operator will want to know WHERE this > > device is connecting. This includes the proxy identity, plus the > > interface on the proxy. (Potentially more) > > > The proxy identity can be figured out by looking at the source address > > of the incoming packets; but the interface information needs to be > > added explicitly, somehow. > > Yes, source address of encapsulating packet, and since it's an ACP, and since > the proxy negotiated via GRASP with the registrar, the registrar already > knows everything. > > I don't see the problem. > > > Can our enrolment process as described today support such proxy > > options? If not, I think we need to re-think... > > I think it's a MITM attack for the proxy to add any information to the secure part. > Any information not under the security enclosure may be untrustworthy. > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Tue Apr 12 17:50:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810DC12D858 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:50:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M3dFRcG9ieu2 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3655A12D76B for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:49:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=742; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1460508599; x=1461718199; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=Hl1cKaDITA9Rw5Mxeo7p/1CiAPYq631OBY1X38KbBrE=; b=D3meSvzv5kq0AFadI7lMuA92TstzAU9JMdmsqh0mzzNL5pkekivhSZJw NHyGVsHWX45CB82qb0NlKhRSimHHdjnI9xv+iKViSqr+ZRKJBgkUYbJKj 6/YTqPc49kZWIcc2mAkLHwJMKuN57s12NVK4bGiwf2r7QANrX0vhJ8ivv g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0D1AQDXlg1X/4kNJK1egzdTfbppAQ2Bd?= =?us-ascii?q?hcLhWwCgUE4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RCAQEEAQEBNzQLEAsYCSUPBRM2E4goDsIsAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBEQSKbIoVBY5EiUSOAwqPEI8nHgEBQoQHHDCKB?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,477,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="260556351" Received: from alln-core-4.cisco.com ([173.36.13.137]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 13 Apr 2016 00:49:58 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by alln-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u3D0nw4b007373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:49:58 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3D0nvv5025780; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:49:57 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u3D0nvNV025779; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:49:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:49:57 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <20160413004957.GH21173@cisco.com> References: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <14252.1460506458@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <570D96FE.1000105@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <570D96FE.1000105@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: Michael Richardson , "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:50:00 -0000 On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:46:54PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > If there's a need to discover topology, which I understood > Michael B was after, couldn't that be done after enrolment, with > no security risk? I am sure operators would love to have the option to reject enrollment if the device is in a wrong location. And yes, topology discovery for the ACP overall is one of those ASA functions i'd love us to get to, but it wouldn't solve by itself this issue. Cheers Toerless > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Wed Apr 13 05:53:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC9D12E1EE for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 05:53:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kbrq-HmZFgke for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 05:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A511812E1F8 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 05:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726D72002A; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28CC763755; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:53:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Brian E Carpenter In-Reply-To: <570D96FE.1000105@gmail.com> References: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <14252.1460506458@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <570D96FE.1000105@gmail.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:53:11 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> I think it's a MITM attack for the proxy to add any information to the >> secure part. Any information not under the security enclosure may be >> untrustworthy. > If there's a need to discover topology, which I understood Michael B > was after, couldn't that be done after enrolment, with no security > risk? yes: exactly. In fact, after enrollment, the resulting ACP that the new node might form might have nothing to do with the topology used for enrollment. I see no reason for the registrar to care about enrollment topology. Consider two 14U BFRs in adjacent cabinets that use BTLE to enroll, establish an ACP between them, and then configure the correct lambdas to light up the 100Gb/s links between them. A new ACP link then comes up across that link (maybe using macsec..) -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVw5BMYCLcPvd0N1lAQKBEAgAwLHYzXTpS2FKn+hTTQqUQCXQ3IeOEm78 aSSIGmkYcQoq/LoMucxfV2Nm1P8aUwgKUi5qxyJQHK76fMVoDoBiuGW6PIXnxLrn wkHI6bSTXvSD1SOMZ0lZRuXDGSWwwVgGhCWCxjSQswDyJ9tkN+ICCLtqQt99qSEF J6Y4x1KqWpA+yBr+WO/HV1sQfkUPi22gmCG82410sE+DuD7DIDo9oMC/B4zv6RHP rX0fRfvzu5D7JxnngaB0EljMwWpYaFrLQ1Y2T8FYcDLtR4jy8pXh7BzJFWQXq/PB kdvU1GH1z31upPAGwHb/lGRlZKKGSeho0dElc4gMkrQvvjGrF8oVPw== =FqAx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Apr 13 06:01:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D253D12E187 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 06:01:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YsOPt3aABoPa for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 06:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37B9F12DEE3 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 06:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB15A2002A for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5BD63755 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:00:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "anima-bootstrap\@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <20160413004957.GH21173@cisco.com> References: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <14252.1460506458@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <570D96FE.1000105@gmail.com> <20160413004957.GH21173@cisco.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 13:01:14 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Toerless Eckert wrote: > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:46:54PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> If there's a need to discover topology, which I understood Michael B >> was after, couldn't that be done after enrolment, with no security >> risk? > I am sure operators would love to have the option to reject enrollment > if the device is in a wrong location. That's silly. Either it's your device, or it's not. Even if it is in the wrong location, enrolling the device makes sense. Unless it's completely the wrong *model* and hasn't got any interfaces of the right type, getting the new service online usually takes priority. Installing a $300 8-port firewall instead of the $200 2-port firewall isn't a disaster. If the model was close enough, you'd want to consider the cost of shipping vs the cost difference of the devices. You might ship the *correct* model out once you figure this out and have remote hands swap cables later on, but that's essentially a capital allocation question. If you know enough in advance to know which device (down to the SN) was supposed to be in each location, then I don't think you need/have a zero-touch situation. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVw5DBoCLcPvd0N1lAQK2VAf/QDO8KacUjEgW77z2MiWl7D59g7/9o69w 22pCHWy8Obf2UJOoOGpE7D4bse8sGmlNUUHuZNwz1TJ66iRcE1gEeFTHg8+QaTJp jcDYtNf3LY8klxf5yRbMZJrGPuIcTluFKFLJTeVN/OBxzCKA6MSp9VsfYk5SnlEp AT8Qn9jJ2oq25K6gxMS41wkfZa+ebouEGy4Ian4Z6HNGbitkrKAb1TARaeYolBy1 YPf6lLue9Tkqj68GWLwiV2l6tEKn8C5HT49ReOjtANItYh1VvevQ58T0TgmVsDf6 9ivHaF+Skc9ceZUGQ+W2g2xS5jR2iQlk9RkH7H2YEup73gaYDnnkVg== =Ll8p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Apr 13 06:06:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC7212D9CA for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 06:06:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p4H6TW5O0Gw6 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 06:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A64712D9A8 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 06:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06B72002A for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9630963755 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:06:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "anima-bootstrap\@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <20160413004812.GG21173@cisco.com> References: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <14252.1460506458@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <20160413004812.GG21173@cisco.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 13:06:06 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Toerless Eckert wrote: > As MichaelB mentioned, it is quite normal that backend devices try to > match up new devices to some port on the connecting device, eg: When a > client connects to a switch and sends a DHCP request, the switch adds > into the request a DHCP option 82 with the name of the switch port to > which the client is connected. That triggers on the DHCP server some > policies built against the location that client connects to. yes, I'm very much aware of option 82, and I've set it up and used it regularly, even wrote DHCP relay code. I'll note that DHCP has no other (deployed) security. Lots of vendors DHCP relay's option-82 processing did the wrong thing. > I agree that we can not have the proxy break into the TLS connection, > but Max was mentioning that there is some data that clients add in some > initial TLS setup packet to help a proxy determine which TLS server to > connect to (connect-server ??). So there seemingly are parts of the Are you talking about SNI? > initial connection setup where information can be added in the > clear. So why could we not also use this trick and have the proxy add > an "option 82" type information piece to the setup packet it sends to > the registrar ? The proxy can ensure that it overrides/fixes up any > such option 82 if it receives it from the client, and the registrar can > trust the option 82 because it receives it via the ACP. Because it means the proxy is now doing deep packet inspection. > Imagine the proxy switch has links to totally different client-side > locations. It would be a perfect policy to reject enrollment if the > device was mixed up and sent to the wrong location. And then what? Truck roll? Devices get installed in the wrong locations regularly. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVw5EOICLcPvd0N1lAQIcrAf+IVFNsfQdiH/AlNPddOrsiMXVW24Q1pUR 2/BRBgVHukkJepf719o2z+KOJ8ycpileY7jHc55DBrLnlS8dOa3R2ee85k9YKpi+ 1NzJFCQPTJHFKvWfKLZMT46Mn67tmoVz3y0pdLq8b1IAzWZkQ/hzYCkZrXlwSvWp LVdFL3ZlOEHMFslvNZ6set1Kk6Z+fnWlj7sutZpIE9u5nF63ZTe2WgXZndNT6y2Y b9M+XF5TGffl0DNGFtITrwl58KNfPx2mnnhLaFla1QrM75ECQT7wUwEMHxHIb3GD wIB8LtsS44Gh+NumGgDiS22yoxyuNmuBMhkgHpkUGJIl1GqZbYqj6A== =0wIm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Apr 13 07:36:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA69612E0A0 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 07:36:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rYJZnq0NcfjN for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 07:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCDC212E027 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 07:36:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2137; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1460558181; x=1461767781; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=nzUkACBvpluYNyUeRkDVjiHiTTnS7ujHgdYfK78EXhI=; b=hSxYDib/RPlapEIC1lRrximGgF6kFHrMshcH6Z2oqfA1qk1+if0+tfsZ QD7rb0yOtg6P6LmGVgzXsIGkJv2WZ8XY0U4N1IBBurwDj9JixXJDwMYyW OiDc+f2iYcrf03AZV+9PnTN9yYrEvIt0N8xwvrndJ56UmP+EITtedPP5d Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ABAgDgWA5X/4sNJK1egzeBUAa6RgENg?= =?us-ascii?q?XSGDgKBPzgUAQEBAQEBAWUnhEEBAQEDATpECwIBCBgeEDIlAgQBEgiIGAjDJwE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEDAQEBAQEBARmGIYRLihUFmAgBjgWPF48mAR4BAUKDZ2yIfH4BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,479,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="259118278" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 13 Apr 2016 14:36:20 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-009.cisco.com (xch-aln-009.cisco.com [173.36.7.19]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u3DEaKSi001842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:36:20 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-006.cisco.com (173.37.102.16) by XCH-ALN-009.cisco.com (173.36.7.19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:36:19 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-006.cisco.com ([173.37.102.16]) by XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com ([173.37.102.16]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:36:19 -0500 From: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" To: Michael Richardson , "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? Thread-Index: AQHRlRlxL75adUdvWUak1H6GJRHLbZ+HZZEAgAAA2oCAAMw9gP//xbDA Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:36:19 +0000 Message-ID: <8c3d30d618ae4035b2c5ac316491120c@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> References: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <14252.1460506458@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <570D96FE.1000105@gmail.com> <20160413004957.GH21173@cisco.com> <18364.1460552457@obiwan.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <18364.1460552457@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.49.80.20] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:36:23 -0000 > Toerless Eckert wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:46:54PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> If there's a need to discover topology, which I understood Michael= B > >> was after, couldn't that be done after enrolment, with no security > >> risk? >=20 > > I am sure operators would love to have the option to reject enrollm= ent > > if the device is in a wrong location. >=20 > >=20 > That's silly. Either it's your device, or it's not. > Even if it is in the wrong location, enrolling the device makes sense. > Unless it's completely the wrong *model* and hasn't got any interfaces of > the right type, getting the new service online usually takes priority. > Installing a $300 8-port firewall instead of the $200 2-port firewall isn= 't a > disaster. If the model was close enough, you'd want to consider the cost = of > shipping vs the cost difference of the devices. >=20 > You might ship the *correct* model out once you figure this out and have > remote hands swap cables later on, but that's essentially a capital alloc= ation > question. >=20 > If you know enough in advance to know which device (down to the SN) was > supposed to be in each location, then I don't think you need/have a zero- > touch situation. I've heard the requirement quite a few times to be able to see where in the= network a device is trying to enrol. For starters, assuming you are shippi= ng devices to install locations randomly, then you can make the link betwee= n device and target config.=20 If pushed hard, you could argue against this I guess; you could argue that = you can first let the device enrol, THEN check where it is.=20 Just saying: I've heard this request quite a few times; we can choose to ig= nore it, and argue our model. But seems the operational procedures are set = up that way today, and we'd fit in more easily with what's done today.=20 My feeling: Unless a big issue, would be good to support the passing on of = proxy information in the bootstrap protocol.=20 Michael From nobody Wed Apr 13 08:18:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACE212E0EC for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nv4YHkjUzzmt for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9EE512E39A for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481322002A for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957AA63755 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:18:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "anima-bootstrap\@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <8c3d30d618ae4035b2c5ac316491120c@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> References: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <14252.1460506458@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <570D96FE.1000105@gmail.com> <20160413004957.GH21173@cisco.com> <18364.1460552457@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <8c3d30d618ae4035b2c5ac316491120c@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 15:18:20 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote: >> If you know enough in advance to know which device (down to the SN) >> was supposed to be in each location, then I don't think you need/have >> a zero- touch situation. > I've heard the requirement quite a few times to be able to see where in > the network a device is trying to enrol. For starters, assuming you are > shipping devices to install locations randomly, then you can make the > link between device and target config. why? and once you reject the device, what happens next? How does the device communicate back to the installer: "I'm in the wrong place" vs, "This isn't the network I'm looking for"? Remember: we are doing this so that the installer can be clueless. Can you please me more precise then "I've heard"? I'd like the real customer belief here. Does the customer understand the new model, or are they working on their old DHCP thinking? > My feeling: Unless a big issue, would be good to support the passing on > of proxy information in the bootstrap protocol. I claim you can do this with origin address. We already have to have a unique ACP origin address *per link* because we have to know how to return the packets to the correct link. I also claim it is less hassle to it via origin address, because otherwise a network configuration has to reach out to the proxy and provision it with the right info for each interface as to "location". -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVw5jNICLcPvd0N1lAQJV8wf+Lalnb4ADijl9+oaIvkBTDCrRwkmfrB2U hJ35QTlrWEUTfq3KVovnFJ4rMHEqxvpNLH8FweKLhYyrC7WnC2fUYq+L+BCs2GtR JO6ObBPWxh6V/kPZGbGTbG5EGRNxR/h/Vir/J2ljAwSFS1Ha/JEDrsupQlM2SS7H BEB35ZCJfjL4lRiEU3cStRqEv9GkKLaUcsRrdX19dEiYHpAg9t8AFT2uVhEjz0/m dV8tZ7d7OXSXGelmesToI0bE6JlJBPwnu61kT5DDZTfepBNu0H21AJx3QefLjUQi agX4GRdwudsr3oMzVbm4j2tFaVw7hE2uSEkxRXOXxHNnBT1eXR5vRA== =7GuG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Apr 13 08:30:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E2012D9B1 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:30:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vHE7mMu46sbe for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF10612DA10 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:30:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1658; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1460561453; x=1461771053; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=rBesfdvfI+aHnDzrd79zZpzDTbMfcv5fk6HcN79gx/I=; b=VaoHuix3Ywi5RxLhvCxZ7ipsBehxkP+e6Bgpgms134x0XpcuLirQcsBt 6o/bfCOKO9caLB6ywr519gaaceQBPCTAihRNjTJWJ4CrpHoPcBUQ4B/oN /KQIrNzo9dDx8MX5srtIyZ7qG9TqPi/t+uATh/rCnQgM+PSyMwc75WY9n s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ABAgCSZQ5X/4sNJK1egzeBUAa6RgENg?= =?us-ascii?q?XSGDgKBQDgUAQEBAQEBAWUnhEEBAQEDATpECwIBCBgeEDIlAgQBEgiIGAjDHQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEDAQEBAQEBAQEYhiGES4oVBZgIAY4FgW6ETohbjyYBHgEBQoNnbIh8f?= =?us-ascii?q?gEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,480,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="260844337" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 13 Apr 2016 15:30:52 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-006.cisco.com (xch-aln-006.cisco.com [173.36.7.16]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u3DFUqCo018194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Apr 2016 15:30:52 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-006.cisco.com (173.37.102.16) by XCH-ALN-006.cisco.com (173.36.7.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 10:30:51 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-006.cisco.com ([173.37.102.16]) by XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com ([173.37.102.16]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 10:30:51 -0500 From: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" To: Michael Richardson , "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? Thread-Index: AQHRlRlxL75adUdvWUak1H6GJRHLbZ+HZZEAgAAA2oCAAMw9gP//xbDAgABgrYD//639AA== Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 15:30:51 +0000 Message-ID: <165fb533767948d39ce89def735f1f9b@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> References: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <14252.1460506458@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <570D96FE.1000105@gmail.com> <20160413004957.GH21173@cisco.com> <18364.1460552457@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <8c3d30d618ae4035b2c5ac316491120c@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <16090.1460560695@obiwan.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <16090.1460560695@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.55.238.142] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 15:30:56 -0000 > Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote: > >> If you know enough in advance to know which device (down to the SN= ) > >> was supposed to be in each location, then I don't think you need/h= ave > >> a zero- touch situation. >=20 > > I've heard the requirement quite a few times to be able to see wher= e in > > the network a device is trying to enrol. For starters, assuming you= are > > shipping devices to install locations randomly, then you can make t= he > > link between device and target config. >=20 > why? and once you reject the device, what happens next? How does the > device communicate back to the installer: "I'm in the wrong place" > vs, "This isn't the network I'm looking for"? > Remember: we are doing this so that the installer can be clueless. >=20 > Can you please me more precise then "I've heard"? I'd like the real cust= omer > belief here. Need to dig - that goes several years back... =20 > Does the customer understand the new model, or are they working on their > old DHCP thinking? >=20 > > My feeling: Unless a big issue, would be good to support the passin= g on > > of proxy information in the bootstrap protocol. >=20 > I claim you can do this with origin address. We already have to have a u= nique > ACP origin address *per link* because we have to know how to return the > packets to the correct link. Err... I'm not parsing that - an ACP address per link? I must have missed s= omething. In my mental model an AN node has an ACP *loopback* but links are= only addressed with link local? Can you expand?=20 Michael From nobody Wed Apr 13 08:55:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371C912D73A for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:55:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3W7C78zNnyZm for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD5C712D5F5 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:55:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3577; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1460562948; x=1461772548; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=R1Y4Ax61fbKUW0qnYPkPqplPanAzE2sOeilqChoBV5Q=; b=KpVYCCBwPFlB3TiSTTC3T0HpRJK5Vfr796XNMMjhraCacXvERS6J1AJg hLyc2iyBOWmRwnRx/Kkah/YLYVrytz2jtg8UtlB315/Gl9e/FxUDLGhxJ iJt2dTVsMu1ucGhQEjyHO8E8YqqfWL/K+tWUwPvkM841WO27YaAlrQ9Gr M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ABAgAvaw5X/5tdJa1egzdTfbpMAQ2Bc?= =?us-ascii?q?RcLgjyDJgEJAoFBOBQBAQEBAQEBZSeEQgEBBAEBATc0CwULCxgJJQ8FEzYTG4g?= =?us-ascii?q?ODsMbAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBEQSKbIoVBY5EiUSOAwqPEI8nHgEBQ?= =?us-ascii?q?oIJFIFqHDCJegEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,480,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="93173774" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 13 Apr 2016 15:55:47 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u3DFtkpm007845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Apr 2016 15:55:46 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3DFtkNP014325; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:55:46 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u3DFtkO2014324; Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:55:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:55:45 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Michael Richardson Message-ID: <20160413155545.GQ21173@cisco.com> References: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <14252.1460506458@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <570D96FE.1000105@gmail.com> <20160413004957.GH21173@cisco.com> <18364.1460552457@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <18364.1460552457@obiwan.sandelman.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 15:55:58 -0000 MichaelR: So, lets talk use-case: Consider that you have edge ports going to secure and less secure locations. (secure: links ending up on your own premises vs. those ending up on customer premises). Consider you have *yuck* devices with only UDI. You only want to give them a cert when they connect to a secure location(port). Only S-UDI into customer-prem locations. Consider you do have any reason to make sure devices are only deployed in ghe right location. If device shows up in wrong location, you need an exception re-shipment to the right location. Imagine you care about NSA interception or the like. Handing out the certificate later is more secure. Consider the operator in the NOC sits on a console with a GUI saying "Device XXX (destined for location X) has connected in location Y". Enroll ? Yes, he could always enrol, but then there is more work afterwards in for example quarantining or changing target configs for the device. Consider we do want to tie devices to location and put that into some extension data of the certificate. Cheers Toerless P.S.: I am a bit preoccupied on this whole thing because i had around year 2000 a perfect ATM-PVC based home IP connection into Cisco, and when those became too expensive and we got IPsec VPN, our IT security introduced all type of additional checks (like having to authenticate myself as a user on every device), and when i inquired with our InfoSec team they told me that for their security evaluation, a key difference is that the prior ATM-PVC solution gave them location security, aka: network access only went to a well known location (my home). I could refute that argument, so i filed what became US8886934. Arguably, location info in the cert would be one possible element to implement that patent ;-)) On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 09:00:57AM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Toerless Eckert wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:46:54PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> If there's a need to discover topology, which I understood Michael B > >> was after, couldn't that be done after enrolment, with no security > >> risk? > > > I am sure operators would love to have the option to reject enrollment > > if the device is in a wrong location. > > > > That's silly. Either it's your device, or it's not. > Even if it is in the wrong location, enrolling the device makes sense. > Unless it's completely the wrong *model* and hasn't got any interfaces of the > right type, getting the new service online usually takes priority. > Installing a $300 8-port firewall instead of the $200 2-port firewall isn't a > disaster. If the model was close enough, you'd want to consider the cost of > shipping vs the cost difference of the devices. > > You might ship the *correct* model out once you figure this out and have > remote hands swap cables later on, but that's essentially a capital > allocation question. > > If you know enough in advance to know which device (down to the SN) was > supposed to be in each location, then I don't think you need/have a zero-touch > situation. > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Thu Apr 14 00:33:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717A812D0AF for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 00:33:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AIoRD_9vJpRe for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 00:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net [194.109.24.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A84BC12D546 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 00:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl ([194.109.20.195]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id i7Ze1s00F4CYHle017Ze2y; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:33:38 +0200 Received: from 2001:983:a264:1:4485:aa13:582f:cefd by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:33:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:33:38 +0200 From: peter van der Stok To: Toerless Eckert Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: <20160413155545.GQ21173@cisco.com> References: <5c12b5d6940d4970bd3c0ad4c94b4696@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <14252.1460506458@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <570D96FE.1000105@gmail.com> <20160413004957.GH21173@cisco.com> <18364.1460552457@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <20160413155545.GQ21173@cisco.com> Message-ID: <326b5cfeb4a696b0600f0043b2ee54a3@xs4all.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (u9YczWxFcmDH+toQLko5VaFJgocG5F4A) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Cc: Michael Richardson , anima-bootstrap@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Can the proxy add information during bootstrap? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:33:45 -0000 > Consider the operator in the NOC sits on a console with a GUI saying > "Device XXX (destined for location X) has connected in location Y". > Enroll ? > Yes, he could always enrol, but then there is more work afterwards in > for > example quarantining or changing target configs for the device. > Yes, this is possible, but many questions pop up: what is the granularity of the location: room, exact coordinate. and why burden the manufacturer, it seems more an operational responsibility. What about moving these things around? why not a installer attribute to the certificate, or an end-user, or anything else? Personally I am not too happy about such specifics. I can imagine that additional customer/installation related attributes can be added, but Being too specific about their use is IMO one step too far. 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Thu, 14 Apr 2016 17:27:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 17:27:07 +0200 From: peter van der Stok To: "Max Pritikin (pritikin)" Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: <28DCAE7A-7761-4EAA-89FD-C33998AAF44C@cisco.com> References: <28DCAE7A-7761-4EAA-89FD-C33998AAF44C@cisco.com> Message-ID: <8d04f3915c39ea8f374d792546b4add6@xs4all.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (qFurj/a/NUXkKEQZxI+TLVHkXCFgfxiZ) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Cc: anima-bootstrap Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] New doodle poll for anima bootstrap meetings X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 15:27:14 -0000 Hi Max, nice to continue. I do not always have time. best is between 16 and 18h Paris, Europe time, on Tuesday and Monday, Peter Max Pritikin (pritikin) schreef op 2016-04-14 17:07: > Folks, > > The current meeting is expired. We had discussed setting up a new time > post IETF95. > > Doodle polls can only take a few times before they get really > unwieldy. I’d like to hear some suggested times before I generate a > new poll. > > I imagine midmorning east coast time, kinda like our previous meeting, > will work for folks? Anything else to comment before I send out a > poll? > > Thanks, > > - max > _______________________________________________ > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap From nobody Mon Apr 18 00:29:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D37012B009 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:29:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FSf6e1gxK1X1 for ; 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Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:25:21 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u3IHPLfi009200; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:25:21 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:25:21 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" Message-ID: <20160418172520.GD29883@cisco.com> References: <28DCAE7A-7761-4EAA-89FD-C33998AAF44C@cisco.com> <8d04f3915c39ea8f374d792546b4add6@xs4all.nl> <041f4c002251477cb311e18fb351089d@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <041f4c002251477cb311e18fb351089d@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: "Max Pritikin \(pritikin\)" , anima-bootstrap , "consultancy@vanderstok.org" Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] New doodle poll for anima bootstrap meetings X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:25:25 -0000 Exclusion times for me (central european time): Mon, Tue, Thur 4-5 PM Other times will work fine except for non-regular meet, but would be lovely if we could start No other weekly meetings. Would be lovely to have meeting start 4 PM or later (that's 7 AM pacific), aka: Wed , Fri starting at 4 PM or later is fine, Mon, Tue, Thur starting at 5PM or later. Cheers Toerless On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 07:29:47AM +0000, Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote: > Same here. Up to 10am PST I'm usually good, after that it gets complicated on my side... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anima-bootstrap [mailto:anima-bootstrap-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of peter van der Stok > > Sent: 14 April 2016 17:27 > > To: Max Pritikin (pritikin) > > Cc: anima-bootstrap > > Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] New doodle poll for anima bootstrap > > meetings > > > > Hi Max, > > > > nice to continue. I do not always have time. > > best is between 16 and 18h Paris, Europe time, on Tuesday and Monday, > > > > Peter > > > > Max Pritikin (pritikin) schreef op 2016-04-14 17:07: > > > Folks, > > > > > > The current meeting is expired. We had discussed setting up a new time > > > post IETF95. > > > > > > Doodle polls can only take a few times before they get really > > > unwieldy. I???d like to hear some suggested times before I generate a > > > new poll. > > > > > > I imagine midmorning east coast time, kinda like our previous meeting, > > > will work for folks? Anything else to comment before I send out a > > > poll? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > - max > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > > > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap > _______________________________________________ > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Mon Apr 18 11:40:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33E712E548 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:40:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A7wkHdJ9y-0B for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E90812E546 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB3F2002A; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DF86375A; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:40:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: <87A5F367-04BC-4297-8E05-1A110E9065E5@juniper.net> References: <28DCAE7A-7761-4EAA-89FD-C33998AAF44C@cisco.com> <8d04f3915c39ea8f374d792546b4add6@xs4all.nl> <041f4c002251477cb311e18fb351089d@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <87A5F367-04BC-4297-8E05-1A110E9065E5@juniper.net> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: "Max Pritikin \(pritikin\)" , anima-bootstrap , "consultancy@vanderstok.org" , "Michael Behringer \(mbehring\)" Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] New doodle poll for anima bootstrap meetings X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 18:40:19 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Kent Watsen wrote: > Though I may not be a regular, I think that we could use a meeting or > two to discuss how to modify the Ownership Voucher definition to suit > ANIMA bootstrap. I agree that this is an important thing to do. Should we detail why this needs to be standardized? -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVxUqDYCLcPvd0N1lAQLiWgf/d6cgHwh0Qw4mH+jWb48ub2WDoZ724Vpv jKwFOboJpn/Y9lQv5U4xCBnV8e2RE08nNnUPR7O56+ttEvXdJ0SwqGOhsSk6UU0r sX7msFF79UWksUzqh6zMXcvxoi7+klGeOEh8ZXErSM8dhsopQp7fT3TG/t2A8me5 qejv1SokT7AmRwhMvO6b4ZWg2KKQsbbwOFxY4KXG2vmP6IOfuonRuxgxK5CE8vXV aVBeXwvGSZS1teZKhHQGhr9L79St8P5ytxpxzPm1z53nMyChAvt8ehKr/qX2t0UZ XrL1oPvYO8zWaPHNFpxWnMOQF0EEPIK33DiUaA+di/xiyS58O6rfvg== =OQT5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Apr 19 06:16:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6F212DEE7 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 06:16:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nzkBJyFOiakM for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 06:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4209412DAE0 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 06:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D1F203D5; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 09:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5498A6375A; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 09:16:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Toerless Eckert In-Reply-To: <20160418172520.GD29883@cisco.com> References: <28DCAE7A-7761-4EAA-89FD-C33998AAF44C@cisco.com> <8d04f3915c39ea8f374d792546b4add6@xs4all.nl> <041f4c002251477cb311e18fb351089d@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <20160418172520.GD29883@cisco.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: "Max Pritikin \(pritikin\)" , anima-bootstrap , "consultancy@vanderstok.org" , "Michael Behringer \(mbehring\)" Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] New doodle poll for anima bootstrap meetings X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:16:12 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Was a doodle poll actually produced? If so I missed it. I will create such a poll if told to (I am a premium user...) -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVxYvl4CLcPvd0N1lAQIP3QgAgJ3FTKzJPb2Nnpqo+X+GQAxOUBagoibJ 7/6aXMmbDR3opqFD9twsrAbuK+xM84wkUlUqjL0CCvedwQbBeZY9PAOy438lMcV2 lgAAbMRkl009nHlifMLkdQayzqAJp1sJnmYA8wCKpxZBFcNG5Kywzm3xdtAjsQ0/ VamPajeByS/4NZ/TGCENgfnTEnusvcfwz3heMUiov1oTMDgBxjLKFhw7cqmhufvz X8JUETl5cYv8umUAsrwUB7iCCJgd6k3aMvFkhqp3Eb/y+hz3kYZvx5wBGh5imicB nDkBahOut9V4URiI2R8A8o9zzUueDCFVGSHdDP6Y18/9AE0cpukP2Q== =yRSX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Apr 19 06:29:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6F612D918 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 06:29:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5DWVGJy-ZIzM for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 06:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84CBE12D142 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 06:29:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=784; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1461072542; x=1462282142; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=bS8jnZIlQHONRw9pdIssZqUyyNeVWPxbELVumtxvPXg=; b=TZRJL5r1Kd31CLz2FdpTwN4i8b8dcNlXdpvyuchwkNg2HkOBYv0iI4HI L3VEVm4SF8Ebjrl/v2psHyNNUJyAZb6qXYRp7Fusi+AM7F4nxwXmJj/tq jUcDO3ArrJJMopXWXbE4gAcuDoJL0C39XBah0wMIBgkUAXUF2muQdgu4F M=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,506,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="263151767" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 19 Apr 2016 13:29:02 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u3JDT12T000860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:29:01 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3JDT0Eg019413; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 06:29:00 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u3JDT0wH019412; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 06:29:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 06:29:00 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Michael Richardson Message-ID: <20160419132900.GT29883@cisco.com> References: <28DCAE7A-7761-4EAA-89FD-C33998AAF44C@cisco.com> <8d04f3915c39ea8f374d792546b4add6@xs4all.nl> <041f4c002251477cb311e18fb351089d@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <20160418172520.GD29883@cisco.com> <26335.1461071770@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <26335.1461071770@obiwan.sandelman.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: "Max Pritikin \(pritikin\)" , anima-bootstrap , "Michael Behringer \(mbehring\)" , "consultancy@vanderstok.org" Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] New doodle poll for anima bootstrap meetings X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:29:09 -0000 AFAIK no doodle was created yet. Instead we tried to figure out the subset of possible times that would work for most people - because doodle supposedly allows only few alternatives. Not sure if the latter statement is actually true. On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 09:16:10AM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Was a doodle poll actually produced? If so I missed it. > I will create such a poll if told to (I am a premium user...) > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Tue Apr 19 07:18:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1604412DAFA for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 07:18:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S8Smzi6GvZ_C for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 07:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D31F12D6E7 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 07:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EDF2002A for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 10:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799386375A for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 10:18:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: anima-bootstrap In-Reply-To: <20160418172520.GD29883@cisco.com> References: <28DCAE7A-7761-4EAA-89FD-C33998AAF44C@cisco.com> <8d04f3915c39ea8f374d792546b4add6@xs4all.nl> <041f4c002251477cb311e18fb351089d@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <20160418172520.GD29883@cisco.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] doodle poll for anima bootstrap meetings X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:18:38 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain https://doodle.com/poll/xtr92v79rgau4da9 Let's not have a call this week. Please answer by EOB Thursday. (I'd sure like to use G+ or Jitsi going forward) When answering for next week, assume it repeats weekly, and please say "YES" if you could make at least 3 out of 4 weeks, "If need be" if you can make only 2, or if you'd have to juggle something. And No if you'd make 1 week or less. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVxY+N4CLcPvd0N1lAQIWfQf/WNr1qMlO0d2TobMOtBPMa8DMCNTX3ldE KRJ0msT9Fa84gkKk4MwvH5YgM8hr0U5N3ltBVG3cXLeNrR72WYxtbqLfg0GfGq/d KPrxa9BW1FwpZGoXyF7fLSlt4IkitkOZc7dzYSrIxpCZh5unWsI6jfFT5VC6yFSE 5ONrnoTSYiCLbqFqvNbclaspGe8UMAHq9rkY064JwqC1lsItdqe5yNwFssF47pta F6/wwzs4M/9iS1Nn0HIZBBVwngf5oOM3JaZw3nAgx8Mx4C6C6RDvjIMfl2vRGkvK aRHlehTd1LHrHGmivcStGfw0XEp7Coixa0t2oGHDmW5Jt3DoiXWFkg== =JDcW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Apr 19 13:54:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF0112D5D2 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:54:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yOric4BM3Iue for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5F8412DA9F for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:54:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=508; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1461099291; x=1462308891; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=bOzwLZ01UBoVdph62SpsevG+9nklxHFK8C+vkReufe0=; b=UptlWeA7gOxYWoO0AdJTj4S2MKRW3lWiUFDite8O0wBGpXEkqs+gHKoY bJCaaO7AotUb8k7WNeOKnnAOYmlJdRXC78sp4TOFz5CpKf6WGgjzPaKWu pFwyDmX9gOW6e/GFlmp4jPBu0vjBqEKhKXh6d0eFe8kL6sjG/q5cPoAFn Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DYBQAOmhZX/5pdJa1egzhTgQO3Y4Idg?= =?us-ascii?q?XEihzg5EwEBAQEBAQFlHAuESDpRATUJQicEiDwOnDChSAEBAQEGAQEBAQEBARm?= =?us-ascii?q?IFgiHTIJsgisFmA4BhXqIF4FQFk6EAIhcjyoBIQFAg2iISzZ1CQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,507,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="98220882" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 19 Apr 2016 20:54:51 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com (xch-rcd-015.cisco.com [173.37.102.25]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u3JKspFx014821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:54:51 GMT Received: from xch-aln-013.cisco.com (173.36.7.23) by XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com (173.37.102.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 15:54:50 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-013.cisco.com ([173.36.7.23]) by XCH-ALN-013.cisco.com ([173.36.7.23]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 15:54:50 -0500 From: "Max Pritikin (pritikin)" To: "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Design Team: MEETING TIME POLL Thread-Index: AQHRmn23qDpRMGZoMkuD957MXFkbIQ== Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:54:50 +0000 Message-ID: <144D7374-415A-450B-8678-E2005F93E839@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.46.190] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <87949343BF6EB34E8A16D454B97D6E20@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] Design Team: MEETING TIME POLL X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:54:53 -0000 Here is a link for the doodle poll:=20 http://doodle.com/poll/m2nh9zp27575sz3m This poll covers times between 7am - 10am pacific for Monday - Friday.=20 Please take a look at your general calendar and answer appropriately.=20 (Doodle poll puts specific dates into the poll. Ignore those and answer for= your average week).=20 Toerless will close the poll when he feels there is sufficient quorum. So a= nswer early to ensure your choice is taken into account! (Hi Toerless!)=20 - max= From nobody Wed Apr 20 12:45:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6FF12E46B for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 12:45:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J3HOV0nlbULP for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 12:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3187F12E481 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 12:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177F12002A; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 15:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731F66375A; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 15:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "Max Pritikin \(pritikin\)" In-Reply-To: <144D7374-415A-450B-8678-E2005F93E839@cisco.com> References: <144D7374-415A-450B-8678-E2005F93E839@cisco.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Design Team: MEETING TIME POLL X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:45:51 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Max Pritikin (pritikin) wrote: > Here is a link for the doodle poll: > http://doodle.com/poll/m2nh9zp27575sz3m > This poll covers times between 7am - 10am pacific for Monday - Friday. > Please take a look at your general calendar and answer appropriately. I guess we both made a poll. 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x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.32.242.22] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_795dd7c8cc044ea3b42ce5e2e3c7dddcXCHRCD003ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] NEW Weekly anima-bootstrap meeting X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:29:53 -0000 --_000_795dd7c8cc044ea3b42ce5e2e3c7dddcXCHRCD003ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the doodle poll, we have a winner (all folks who entered are green): Tue 5 PM MET: http://doodle.com/poll/m2nh9zp27575sz3m#table Etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont= =3Dtrue (note typo in boostrapping) I did not have an ietf webex account, so for now I did create a webex on th= e Cisco site. This has the benefit that telephony is free (with callbacks).= Just one of the four list members from cisco needs to be present. If this = is an issue, I=92ll change to IETF webex (I requested an account right now)= . Timezone is set to MET, so for us folks in the US, there will be some hicku= p during the weeks in March/November when EU/US do not switch the same time= , hope this is ok, else I can change to US timezone. -- Do not delete or change any of the following text. -- Join WebEx meeting Meeting number: 204 437 997 Meeting password: fMmGVQT8 If you are the host, you can use the meeting host key to pass the host priv= ilege to another participant or to start the meeting from a video conferenc= ing system or application. 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From= the doodle poll, we have a winner (all folks who entered are green):

Tue = 5 PM MET: http://doodle.com/poll/m2nh9zp27575sz3m#table


Ethe= rpad:

http= ://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont=3Dtru= e

(not= e typo in boostrapping)


I di= d not have an ietf webex account, so for now I did create a webex on the Ci= sco site. This has the benefit that telephony is free (with callbacks). Jus= t one of the four list members from cisco needs to be present. If this is an issue, I=92ll change to IETF webe= x (I requested an account right now).


Time= zone is set to MET, so for us folks in the US, there will be some hickup du= ring the weeks in March/November when EU/US do not switch the same time, ho= pe this is ok, else I can change to US timezone.





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Numeric meeting password:= 63251073


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x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.32.242.22] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_b1c0fb6231b24ec6953457ae78249918XCHRCD003ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] NEW Weekly anima-bootstrap meeting X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:31:01 -0000 --_000_b1c0fb6231b24ec6953457ae78249918XCHRCD003ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the doodle poll, we have a winner (all folks who entered are green): Tue 5 PM MET: http://doodle.com/poll/m2nh9zp27575sz3m#table Etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont= =3Dtrue (note typo in boostrapping) I did not have an ietf webex account, so for now I did create a webex on th= e Cisco site. This has the benefit that telephony is free (with callbacks).= Just one of the four list members from cisco needs to be present. If this = is an issue, I=92ll change to IETF webex (I requested an account right now)= . Timezone is set to MET, so for us folks in the US, there will be some hicku= p during the weeks in March/November when EU/US do not switch the same time= , hope this is ok, else I can change to US timezone. -- Do not delete or change any of the following text. -- Join WebEx meeting Meeting number: 206 416 892 Meeting password: fMmGVQT8 If you are the host, you can use the meeting host key to pass the host priv= ilege to another participant or to start the meeting from a video conferenc= ing system or application. To find the host key for this meeting, go here.<= https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=3Dm8da1763361662431738eeba39e= ca6c63> Join by phone +1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) +1-866-432-9903 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada) Access code: 206 416 892 Numeric meeting password: 36738740 Global call-in numbers | Toll-free calling restric= tions Can't join the meeting? Contact support. IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows audio and othe= r information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be discover= able in a legal matter. By joining this session, you automatically consent = to such recordings. If you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your c= oncerns with the host or do not join the session.. --_000_b1c0fb6231b24ec6953457ae78249918XCHRCD003ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From= the doodle poll, we have a winner (all folks who entered are green):

Tue = 5 PM MET: http://doodle.com/poll/m2nh9zp27575sz3m#table


Ethe= rpad:

http= ://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont=3Dtru= e

(not= e typo in boostrapping)


I di= d not have an ietf webex account, so for now I did create a webex on the Ci= sco site. This has the benefit that telephony is free (with callbacks). Jus= t one of the four list members from cisco needs to be present. If this is an issue, I=92ll change to IETF webe= x (I requested an account right now).


Time= zone is set to MET, so for us folks in the US, there will be some hickup du= ring the weeks in March/November when EU/US do not switch the same time, ho= pe this is ok, else I can change to US timezone.





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Meeting password: = fMmGVQT8


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, "kwatsen@juniper.net" , "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: NEW Weekly anima-bootstrap meeting Thread-Index: AdGharwv3p1TavlCl0mO5eQKnUzpDA== Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:28:11 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.32.242.22] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_e6005a82dfb44a66aee93ba2e242f1a8XCHRCD003ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] NEW Weekly anima-bootstrap meeting X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:31:33 -0000 --_000_e6005a82dfb44a66aee93ba2e242f1a8XCHRCD003ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the doodle poll, we have a winner (all folks who entered are green): Tue 5 PM MET: http://doodle.com/poll/m2nh9zp27575sz3m#table Etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont= =3Dtrue (note typo in boostrapping) I did not have an ietf webex account, so for now I did create a webex on th= e Cisco site. This has the benefit that telephony is free (with callbacks).= Just one of the four list members from cisco needs to be present. If this = is an issue, I=92ll change to IETF webex (I requested an account right now)= . Timezone is set to MET, so for us folks in the US, there will be some hicku= p during the weeks in March/November when EU/US do not switch the same time= , hope this is ok, else I can change to US timezone. ------------------------------------------------------- Audio conference information ------------------------------------------------------- To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the event, = or call the number below and enter the access code. Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1-866-432-9903 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1-408-525-6800 Global call-in numbers: https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/globalcallin.php= ?serviceType=3DEC&ED=3D343867977&tollFree=3D1 Toll-free dialing restrictions: http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restricti= ons.pdf -- Do not delete or change any of the following text. -- Join WebEx meeting Meeting number: 206 416 892 Meeting password: fMmGVQT8 If you are the host, you can use the meeting host key to pass the host priv= ilege to another participant or to start the meeting from a video conferenc= ing system or application. To find the host key for this meeting, go here.<= https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=3Dm8da1763361662431738eeba39e= ca6c63> Join by phone +1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) +1-866-432-9903 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada) Access code: 206 416 892 Numeric meeting password: 36738740 Global call-in numbers | Toll-free calling restric= tions Can't join the meeting? Contact support. IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows audio and othe= r information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be discover= able in a legal matter. By joining this session, you automatically consent = to such recordings. If you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your c= oncerns with the host or do not join the session.. --_000_e6005a82dfb44a66aee93ba2e242f1a8XCHRCD003ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From= the doodle poll, we have a winner (all folks who entered are green):

Tue = 5 PM MET: http://doodle.com/poll/m2nh9zp27575sz3m#table


Ethe= rpad:

http= ://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont=3Dtru= e

(not= e typo in boostrapping)


I di= d not have an ietf webex account, so for now I did create a webex on the Ci= sco site. This has the benefit that telephony is free (with callbacks). Jus= t one of the four list members from cisco needs to be present. If this is an issue, I=92ll change to IETF webe= x (I requested an account right now).


Time= zone is set to MET, so for us folks in the US, there will be some hickup du= ring the weeks in March/November when EU/US do not switch the same time, ho= pe this is ok, else I can change to US timezone.


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Apr 2016 16:29:13 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.32.242.22] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_fd3a5ce81005454dbb189057ad9c08e4XCHRCD003ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] Canceled: Weekly Webex invite for anima bootstrap team meeting X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:32:38 -0000 --_000_fd3a5ce81005454dbb189057ad9c08e4XCHRCD003ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This invite has been superseded by a new series. If you do not see the invi= te for the new series (Tue 5 PM MET), please send me an email - eckert@cisc= o.com. --------- Added URL for non-US dialin numbers to the webex. Outlook invite for new series with IETF Webex set up by Michael Richardson. Time: Weekly, Thursday, 1600UTC. Etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont= =3Dtrue (note typo in boostrapping) iCal: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=3DTEMPLATE&tmeid=3DMHR0aj= RtbDM2MnU1NmU2YW9ocWtrNGY2ZG9fMjAxNTEyMTBUMTYwMDAwWiBtY2hhcmxlc3JAbQ&tmsrc= =3Dmcharlesr%40gmail.com Webex set up by Michael Richardson : Dialin: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm09ce76fb7e9ae7af015d3033b42c54c2 meeting number: 649 770 742 Meeting password: bootstrap 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) More global dialin numbers: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/globalcallin.php --_000_fd3a5ce81005454dbb189057ad9c08e4XCHRCD003ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This invite has been superseded by a new series. If you do not see the= invite for the new series (Tue 5 PM MET), please send me an email – = eckert@cisco.com.

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Added URL for non-US dialin numbers to the webex.
Outlook invite for new series with IETF Webex set up by Michael Richar= dson.

Time= :

Week= ly, Thursday, 1600UTC.


Ethe= rpad:

http= ://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont=3Dtru= e

(not= e typo in boostrapping)


iCal= :

http= s://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=3DTEMPLATE&tmeid=3DMHR0aj= RtbDM2MnU1NmU2YW9ocWtrNGY2ZG9fMjAxNTEyMTBUMTYwMDAwWiBtY2hhcmxlc3JAbQ&tm= src=3Dmcharlesr%40gmail.com



Webe= x set up by Michael Richardson :

Dial= in:

http= s://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm09ce76fb7e9ae7af015d3033b42c54c2

meet= ing number: 649 770 742

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Message-ID: From: Michael Richardson To: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] NEW Weekly anima-bootstrap meeting (fwd) "Toerless Eckert (eckert)": NEW Weekly anima-bootstrap meeting X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 18:56:58 -0000 > Timezone is set to MET, so for us folks in the US, there will be some hickup during the weeks in March/November when EU/US do not switch the same time, hope this is ok, else I can change to US timezone. Is MET the same as CET? http://www.worldtimezone.com/wtz-names/wtz-met.html says UTC+1. But, Belgium, France(Paris), etc. are all at UTC+2 right now according to my google calendar, I'm guessing because they are in daylight savings time. 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-0500 From: "Max Pritikin (pritikin)" To: Kent Watsen Thread-Topic: ownership vouchers? Thread-Index: AQHRnz6KvSbUzAnF+kW3VDcOmCpiYJ+c7pGAgAKrGACAAlDtAA== Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:58:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: <664CAC1A-21DF-4CA4-A474-2E7CBD5412D0@cisco.com> <6B562CB4-0F89-4131-9785-6FBAA543D2FA@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <6B562CB4-0F89-4131-9785-6FBAA543D2FA@juniper.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.99.106.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <3C9D967B18B4E9459FF9E18934BCB74A@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Michael Richardson , anima-bootstrap , "consultancy@vanderstok.org" , "Michael Behringer \(mbehring\)" Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] ownership vouchers? 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