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May 2016 15:09:04 -0000 Max Pritikin (pritikin) wrote: >> Off topic: what happened to the 'R' in BSKI? I really liked the idea >> of calling it brewski ;) > We all agree "brewski" is the best name. But defining the "BRSKI" > backronym never really happened. Not too late to change it :) "Bootingstraping Remote Secure Key Infrastructure" -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ From nobody Tue May 3 10:05:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7043212DC98 for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 10:05:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ASps-HFu2gPp for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 10:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E97E12DBA2 for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 10:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895BE2002A for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 13:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C94863755 for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 13:00:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: anima-bootstrap In-Reply-To: <6B562CB4-0F89-4131-9785-6FBAA543D2FA@juniper.net> References: <664CAC1A-21DF-4CA4-A474-2E7CBD5412D0@cisco.com> <6B562CB4-0F89-4131-9785-6FBAA543D2FA@juniper.net> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 13:00:42 -0400 Message-ID: <26094.1462294842@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] ownership vouchers? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 17:05:53 -0000 Kent Watsen wrote: > Right, but if there were a standard format for Ownership Voucher, the > need to pass Vendor Class Identifier for DHCP, or the equivalent (if > there were one) for DNS, disappears. This is my point for why the > NETCONF Zero Touch draft might like to see the Ownership Voucher My feeling is that we should have one or more non-standard, Informational documents on "Known Ownership Voucher". Having the contents available for review, will help understand the entire system. I will write one. I hope someone from Cisco would document what they do. Again, not-standards track. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ From nobody Tue May 3 23:38:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DC912D144 for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 23:38:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cw1zV-UldyAk for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 23:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb3-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B724612B042 for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 23:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl ([194.109.20.207]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id q6dy1s00E4U4Moq016dywY; Wed, 04 May 2016 08:37:59 +0200 Received: from 2001:983:a264:1:e467:4c97:f03:652a by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Wed, 04 May 2016 08:37:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 08:37:58 +0200 From: peter van der Stok To: Michael Richardson Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: <26094.1462294842@obiwan.sandelman.ca> References: <664CAC1A-21DF-4CA4-A474-2E7CBD5412D0@cisco.com> <6B562CB4-0F89-4131-9785-6FBAA543D2FA@juniper.net> <26094.1462294842@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Message-ID: X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (SkCktyew9kDy2Wbdpq92AuFL2zDniBfI) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Cc: anima-bootstrap Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] ownership vouchers? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 06:38:08 -0000 > My feeling is that we should have one or more non-standard, > Informational > documents on "Known Ownership Voucher". Having the contents available > for > review, will help understand the entire system. > > I will write one. > I hope someone from Cisco would document what they do. I will be very happy to read and comment. Peter From nobody Sat May 7 12:35:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0F112D0E6 for ; Sat, 7 May 2016 12:35:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yjAU36hMrOdr for ; Sat, 7 May 2016 12:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA4F712D0B9 for ; Sat, 7 May 2016 12:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B0120183 for ; Sat, 7 May 2016 15:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20517638BD for ; Sat, 7 May 2016 15:35:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: anima-bootstrap X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] minutes from 2016-05-03 design team meeting X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2016 19:35:17 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Our regular meetings have resumed after a break around IETF95. They are now Tuesdays at 17:00 Paris time. (That's 11am EDT, 9am Mountain, and 8am Pacific for now) The webex details are: https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=m0c4d4685fe5013c21cf8a36226ce4620 etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont=true (note typo in boostrapping) 2016-05-03 People present: Michael Richardson Max Pritikin Toerless Eckert Michael Behringer Peter van der Stok. Proposed agenda: Agenda: 1) recap ownership voucher discussion from list [delay w/o Kent] 2) what elements go in (LDevID) cert to support ACP (see notes from 4/5) Some discussion about name of protocol and desire to pronounce it "brewski", i.e. BRSKI --- proposed name: "Bootingstraping Remote Secure Key Infrastructure" ownership discussion: 1) clarify exactly which brski message the onwership voucher occurs: s5.3 in anima the client is always authenticated so we only send a single audittoken/ownershipvoucher this constrasts with netconf where client is NOT always authenticated so we send a list of ownershipvouchers - netconf does this to allow the endpoint device to hide its identity (but really, it is just being vague about identity) ACTION ITEM: need a clear discussion of the privacy model in each case if we support a list format can we minimize the amount of different processing that occurs. is it: token1, token2, token3 or tokenlist (1,2,3) - is the token encrypted in some format? for example lookup the public in a db and use it or use a known symetric key doing this might allow responses to unauthenticated clients w/o violating infrastructure privacy? - by hiding the device identity during DNS-SD/DHCP the device either has to do brski style multiple attempts or leak some hints to DNS-SD/DHCP which is both an information leak and adds complexity to these protocols [max's editorial comment] 2) elements w/in cert to support ACP ]] humour insert due to mishearing: no, not elephants. we want snakes on the ACP plane. (the snakes in spain fall mostly on the ACP plane) [[ we had some discussion about what we were talking about. Some confusion that we were speaking about the LDevID contents that will be provided back to the client. The confusion is because we are talking about things that show up in the IDevID that might need to be added to the LDevID, and how much of this can be a) trusted by the domain, b) rendered into the LDevID certificate in a fashion that is unique within the domain. ACTION ITEM: we need some clear algorithm/explantion of who (client vs domain registar) is in control of which parts of the resulting LDevID. section 5.1 discussion of 802.1AR as client identity w/ certain subfields detailed. The specific concern was that the CN would be overused in the IDevID, and contain things that would be useful to have in the LDevID, but the registrar would replace the CN with a locally meaningful name. The conclusion was that things that needed to be preserved would have to be properly placed in other subjectAltName OIDs. I looked back through the notes to see if I could find the IDevID/LDevID certificate example from Toerless, finally found it: Example certificate (IDevID, I think) from before: Certificate Status: Available Certificate Serial Number (hex): 138Bxxxxxxxxxxxxxx7A Certificate Usage: General Purpose Issuer: cn=Cisco Manufacturing CA o=Cisco Systems Subject: Name: C819HWD-A-K9 Serial Number: PID:C819HWD-A-K9 SN:FTX1XXXXZ (this is the x500 serialnumber attribute under the subject name) CRL Distribution Points: http://www.cisco.com/security/pki/crl/cmca.crl Validity Date: start date: 20:38:14 MET Apr 12 2013 end date: 20:48:14 MET Apr 12 2023 Associated Trustpoints: CISCO_IDEVID_SUDI {MCR had expressed surprise to see "marketing" web site www.cisco.com being part of the CRL Distribution URL, but that's not relevant} -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVy5DbYCLcPvd0N1lAQJmIAgAuqKvD917AEVb7i4hdsH83v8PPE2rd2TA eUDJtCM926Yq8LECahnt1OeKARILuMsemHJvQ3omX5OgTmX3gTZoCCCg5hbwY1Nm sLnQ+SsiXA9bpgHuKlw2q37ohHQiTQL3/EjQC1h8B6vR/PASXbUZ4AImSai87XHQ 5h3pmej9me7IGNmOi41IYs1OT2zX9ai/xcwy+2y7n/H409YWoYRtZa4rj/7knW8W 8Giapsz7Rz45flrLOKxw+Xq02tBQhgsndUvQSyXTAXfY6q1K/Rtr/aGQOolLuyy1 +9gcYuv8Bt+FiDYw4K1PFHK0unbC5rrq/LgSQIOyGw1hrtR5djZ13A== =AF4c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue May 10 08:04:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDAD12D6FB for ; Tue, 10 May 2016 08:04:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LtNndaQJa-fy for ; Tue, 10 May 2016 08:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96E4A12D6EA for ; Tue, 10 May 2016 08:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD96200A3; Tue, 10 May 2016 11:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536E7638BD; Tue, 10 May 2016 11:04:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: consultancy@vanderstok.org, anima-bootstrap In-Reply-To: <1bbff36aa237b05d0744b1e181f094f1@xs4all.nl> References: <1bbff36aa237b05d0744b1e181f094f1@xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] no anima bootstrap today? X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 15:04:05 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain peter van der Stok wrote: > Is it only every 2 weeks? Should be weekly. The link we had: https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=m0c4d4685fe5013c21cf8a36226ce4620 is not working... Max? 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Remember, the Webex URL did change 2 weeks ba= ck with the new time! From: eckert@cisco.com When: 8:00 AM - 9:00 AM May 10, 2016 Subject: NEW Weekly anima-bootstrap meeting Location: Webex >From the doodle poll, we have a winner (all folks who entered are green): Tue 5 PM MET: http://doodle.com/poll/m2nh9zp27575sz3m#table Etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont= =3Dtrue (note typo in boostrapping) I did not have an ietf webex account, so for now I did create a webex on th= e Cisco site. This has the benefit that telephony is free (with callbacks).= Just one of the four list members from cisco needs to be present. If this = is an issue, I'll change to IETF webex (I requested an account right now). Timezone is set to MET, so for us folks in the US, there will be some hicku= p during the weeks in March/November when EU/US do not switch the same time= , hope this is ok, else I can change to US timezone. -- Do not delete or change any of the following text. -- Join WebEx meeting Meeting number: 204 437 997 Meeting password: fMmGVQT8 If you are the host, you can use the meeting host key to pass the host priv= ilege to another participant or to start the meeting from a video conferenc= ing system or application. To find the host key for this meeting, go here.<= https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=3Dm1d7c0e134aec43023877d69303= cc883c> Join by phone +1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 204 437 997 Numeric meeting password: 63251073 Can't join the meeting? Contact support. IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows audio and othe= r information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be discover= able in a legal matter. By joining this session, you automatically consent = to such recordings. If you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your c= oncerns with the host or do not join the session.. --_000_D35747262252Feckertciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <99C813FD11F4434C9E172090E9F71C77@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, here is the invite again. Remember, the Webex URL did change 2 wee= ks back with the new time!

From: eckert@cisco.com
When: 8:00 AM - 9:00 AM May 10, 201= 6
Subject: NEW Weekly anima-bootstrap= meeting
Location: Webex



From= the doodle poll, we have a winner (all folks who entered are green):

Tue = 5 PM MET: http://doodle.com= /poll/m2nh9zp27575sz3m#table


Ethe= rpad:

http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useM= onospaceFont=3Dtrue

(not= e typo in boostrapping)


I di= d not have an ietf webex account, so for now I did create a webex on the Ci= sco site. This has the benefit that telephony is free (with callbacks). Jus= t one of the four list members from cisco needs to be present. If this is an issue, I’ll change to IETF = webex (I requested an account right now).


Time= zone is set to MET, so for us folks in the US, there will be some hickup du= ring the weeks in March/November when EU/US do not switch the same time, ho= pe this is ok, else I can change to US timezone.





-- Do not delete or change any= of the following text. --


Join WebEx meeting
Meeting number: 204 437 9= 97
Meeting password: = fMmGVQT8


If you are the host, you = can use the meeting host key to pass the host privilege to another particip= ant or to start the meeting from a video conferencing system or application= . To find the host key for this meeting, go here.

Join by phone
+1-408-525-68= 00 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)
Access code: 204 437 997<= /font>
Numeric meeting password:= 63251073


Can't join the meeting? Contact support.

IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please = note that this WebEx service allows audio and other information sent during= the session to be recorded, which may be discoverable in a legal matter. B= y joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to being recorded, discu= ss your concerns with the host or do not join the session..

--_000_D35747262252Feckertciscocom_-- From nobody Tue May 10 08:13:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6C212D6FC for ; Tue, 10 May 2016 08:13:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vx8elJ_7k2v2 for ; Tue, 10 May 2016 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 576E512D701 for ; Tue, 10 May 2016 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=8336; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1462893203; x=1464102803; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=0/KGfcaO8OwRX/8NBB/TVIL8nI14wkElZJ9mfZLnAaQ=; b=Jf+m3kGpYjhUcq0gyRUqsJ6WuBQQZ9GV/Vp5xKUSDfu8n+pQM0RiYJ38 MQWF94Ijhs1hRh8m6k2j+GxtSQVeW8Xfu66+ssXxvV+bhjKVkQs813KKk jP/2/Yw9rA9xAaGu5NqlYgG+8R8yE7amdR4a+F6RaxH1Ku6UQXhUwIrbb s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0A5AgBN+jFX/5BdJa1DFwOCbA89VX0Gt?= =?us-ascii?q?C+EdwENgXYkhQ1fgTM4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RBAQEFZiEEAQgVAhUBAwwDIhcUCQc?= =?us-ascii?q?DBAESiCsOLKwFi2oBAQEBAQEBAQIBAQEBAQEBARgEimiEMDAeCAeFCwWIW4U8i?= =?us-ascii?q?hABhX2FZYI7gWkXN4QBiGGPPwEPDwEBQoIFG4EAS24BiAp/AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,604,1454976000"; d="scan'208,217";a="101021053" Received: from rcdn-core-8.cisco.com ([173.37.93.144]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 10 May 2016 15:13:22 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-012.cisco.com (xch-rcd-012.cisco.com [173.37.102.22]) by rcdn-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u4AFDM7g025179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 May 2016 15:13:22 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-003.cisco.com (173.37.102.13) by XCH-RCD-012.cisco.com (173.37.102.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Tue, 10 May 2016 10:13:21 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-003.cisco.com ([173.37.102.13]) by XCH-RCD-003.cisco.com ([173.37.102.13]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Tue, 10 May 2016 10:13:21 -0500 From: "Toerless Eckert (eckert)" To: "Max Pritikin (pritikin)" , "Jason Coleman (colemaj)" , "mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca" , "ietf@sandeep.de" , "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" , "alper.yegin@yegin.org" , "jiangsheng@huawei.com" , "leo.liubing@huawei.com" , "brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com" , "kwatsen@juniper.net" , "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: NEW Weekly anima-bootstrap meeting Thread-Index: AQHRqs59mqOkPb5yDkSxgHU+127YpA== Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 15:13:21 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.6.141106 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.154.48.27] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D357489E2253Ceckertciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] NEW Weekly anima-bootstrap meeting X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 15:13:36 -0000 --_000_D357489E2253Ceckertciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not sure where folks got the old Webex dialin from, but I had not updated i= t on the ANIMA/bootstrap wiki, now I did: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/anima/trac/wiki/Bootstrap Cheers Toerless From: eckert@cisco.com When: 8:00 AM - 9:00 AM May 10, 2016 Subject: NEW Weekly anima-bootstrap meeting Location: Webex >From the doodle poll, we have a winner (all folks who entered are green): Tue 5 PM MET: http://doodle.com/poll/m2nh9zp27575sz3m#table Etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont= =3Dtrue (note typo in boostrapping) I did not have an ietf webex account, so for now I did create a webex on th= e Cisco site. This has the benefit that telephony is free (with callbacks).= Just one of the four list members from cisco needs to be present. If this = is an issue, I'll change to IETF webex (I requested an account right now). Timezone is set to MET, so for us folks in the US, there will be some hicku= p during the weeks in March/November when EU/US do not switch the same time= , hope this is ok, else I can change to US timezone. -- Do not delete or change any of the following text. -- Join WebEx meeting Meeting number: 204 437 997 Meeting password: fMmGVQT8 If you are the host, you can use the meeting host key to pass the host priv= ilege to another participant or to start the meeting from a video conferenc= ing system or application. To find the host key for this meeting, go here.<= https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=3Dm1d7c0e134aec43023877d69303= cc883c> Join by phone +1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 204 437 997 Numeric meeting password: 63251073 Can't join the meeting? Contact support. IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows audio and othe= r information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be discover= able in a legal matter. By joining this session, you automatically consent = to such recordings. If you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your c= oncerns with the host or do not join the session.. --_000_D357489E2253Ceckertciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <6A561616801BFB48947AF04FE89B31A6@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure where folks got the old Webex dialin from, but I had not upda= ted it on the ANIMA/bootstrap wiki, now I did:

https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/anima/trac/wiki/Bootstrap

Cheers
    Toerless
From: eckert@cisco.com
When: 8:00 AM - 9:00 AM May 10, 201= 6
Subject: NEW Weekly anima-bootstrap= meeting
Location: Webex



From= the doodle poll, we have a winner (all folks who entered are green):

Tue = 5 PM MET: http://doodle.com= /poll/m2nh9zp27575sz3m#table


Ethe= rpad:

http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useM= onospaceFont=3Dtrue

(not= e typo in boostrapping)


I di= d not have an ietf webex account, so for now I did create a webex on the Ci= sco site. This has the benefit that telephony is free (with callbacks). Jus= t one of the four list members from cisco needs to be present. If this is an issue, I’ll change to IETF = webex (I requested an account right now).


Time= zone is set to MET, so for us folks in the US, there will be some hickup du= ring the weeks in March/November when EU/US do not switch the same time, ho= pe this is ok, else I can change to US timezone.





-- Do not delete or change any= of the following text. --


Join WebEx meeting
Meeting number: 204 437 9= 97
Meeting password: = fMmGVQT8


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Join by phone
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([2406:e007:6b9a:1:5483:9b95:28ce:1d34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id zs16sm14828438pab.13.2016.05.18.16.50.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 18 May 2016 16:50:53 -0700 (PDT) To: "Max Pritikin (pritikin)" , "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" References: <89CD7E52-0250-43F9-9839-6EAFB6AA8446@cisco.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <4dfaa5d1-6804-946e-eef7-224fbe4c9248@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 11:50:59 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <89CD7E52-0250-43F9-9839-6EAFB6AA8446@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] bootstrap design team X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 23:50:56 -0000 On 19/05/2016 02:10, Max Pritikin (pritikin) wrote: > Greetings, >=20 > Today=E2=80=99s bootstrap design team notes can be found from the wiki:= > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/anima/trac/wiki/Bootstrap >=20 > But a quick summary of what we=E2=80=99ve been doing: >=20 > 1. Implementation experience and editing feedback was captured in a num= ber of EDNOTES into the document. We have been going through these EDNOTE= S and deciding how to resolve them.=20 >=20 > 2. In the most recent call the format of the onwire messages was discus= sed. Kent Watson joined and we went through the formats from netconf/anim= a with a goal of aligning these formats to the point where a single commo= n message type can be used.=20 Looking at the notes, I assume that you will end up with something like a= YANG or JSON construct. Just a reminder, the only constraint for GRASP is that the 'va= lue' can be encoded in CBOR, which is not really much of a constraint at all and make= s either YANG or JSON fine. The mappings are documented already: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-veillette-core-yang-cbor-mapping https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7049#section-4 Regards Brian From nobody Tue May 24 00:22:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5FD12DC7C for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 00:22:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.079 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.079 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Exp8ObUIU8x2 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 00:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.22]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A13E212B010 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 00:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl ([194.109.20.205]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id y7Nn1s0064RV18J017NnNM; Tue, 24 May 2016 09:22:47 +0200 Received: from AMontpellier-654-1-115-41.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr ([90.0.130.41]) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Tue, 24 May 2016 09:22:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 09:22:47 +0200 From: peter van der Stok To: Anima-bootstrap Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Message-ID: <1913d4ecf0647ffdb77ff7f4d751218c@xs4all.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (C47YaFgFhrU+tCtM8SQWAQmnt/sGsER8) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] bootstrap purpose X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 07:22:53 -0000 Hi all, I looked again at the keyinfra draft and did not recognize an explicit description of the purpose of securing the network with the bootstrap. As far as I understood there are 2 objectives; 1) a packet sent by an unauthorized node is not routed through the network 2) An unauthorized node cannot interpret a packet sent by an authorized node Neither does the text tell us how this is achieved once the bootstrap has successfully concluded. Do we aim at a specific protocol or do we want to leave this open? -- Peter van der Stok vanderstok consultancy From nobody Tue May 24 04:23:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329C112D1B2 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 04:23:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.947 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.947 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09q_m-wdGkHe for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 04:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFE6D12D166 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 04:23:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2083; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1464089002; x=1465298602; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=jY6b4c+2gGdDbLqYUh9k9YAefSfdr1Iicf+PLN/EEMs=; b=F3IPYyy+5RQtkbYXo+A+iiYNvZv8RVNUX3JUANQtZrNTn0Ov8jnBvbsw 9pjHTehkhAvHhnWupEmHaewjsy6rPia9QQrj6eimJ6PQpSWtfzZ+9nrK8 nbONkXCyRyKOcp1RnLj4/HhsV0R32hA5ZdPD/FQ9c441XL8PaEnb2m/bM Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AEAgBkOURX/4gNJK1cgzdWfQa5eAENg?= =?us-ascii?q?XYXC4VvAoEzOBQBAQEBAQEBZSeEQgEBAQMBAQEBNzQQBwQCAQgRBAEBHwkHJws?= =?us-ascii?q?UCQgCBAESCIgfCA7ENgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARcFhieETIoZBZg3A?= =?us-ascii?q?Y4YgXCET4hkj0sBHgEBQoIGHIFLbohSfwEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.26,359,1459814400"; d="scan'208";a="276543383" Received: from alln-core-3.cisco.com ([173.36.13.136]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 24 May 2016 11:23:13 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-008.cisco.com (xch-rcd-008.cisco.com [173.37.102.18]) by alln-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u4OBNDcp005698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 May 2016 11:23:13 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-006.cisco.com (173.37.102.16) by XCH-RCD-008.cisco.com (173.37.102.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Tue, 24 May 2016 06:23:12 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-006.cisco.com ([173.37.102.16]) by XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com ([173.37.102.16]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Tue, 24 May 2016 06:23:13 -0500 From: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" To: "consultancy@vanderstok.org" , Anima-bootstrap Thread-Topic: [Anima-bootstrap] bootstrap purpose Thread-Index: AQHRtY0YvJk4miaoNkuWmDqcyZq7Ep/H70HA Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 11:23:13 +0000 Message-ID: <61110f7e2870402ba4ecfdaf5e909264@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> References: <1913d4ecf0647ffdb77ff7f4d751218c@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <1913d4ecf0647ffdb77ff7f4d751218c@xs4all.nl> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.55.238.133] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] bootstrap purpose X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 11:23:24 -0000 Hi Peter,=20 The primary purpose of draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra is to deploy= a domain specific key infrastructure. You're not mentioning that, I assume= because it's obvious?=20 What a device does with that key material is outside scope of this document= . Although, 3.5 and 3.6 go a little step in that direction. IMO we should k= eep the bootstrap of key material (current objective of doc) clearly separa= te from what to do with this key material. So we should probably be clearer= that 3.5 are just examples.=20 To me, the objectives you mention:=20 > As far as I understood there are 2 objectives; > 1) a packet sent by an unauthorized node is not routed through the networ= k > 2) An unauthorized node cannot interpret a packet sent by an authorized > node are not the main objective of this work, but of course a security considera= tion for the bootstrap process.=20 Since I'm not sure I understood you fully, please let me know whether we're= in line! Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Anima-bootstrap [mailto:anima-bootstrap-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of peter van der Stok > Sent: 24 May 2016 09:23 > To: Anima-bootstrap > Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] bootstrap purpose >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > I looked again at the keyinfra draft and did not recognize an explicit > description of the purpose of securing the network with the bootstrap. >=20 > As far as I understood there are 2 objectives; > 1) a packet sent by an unauthorized node is not routed through the networ= k > 2) An unauthorized node cannot interpret a packet sent by an authorized > node >=20 > Neither does the text tell us how this is achieved once the bootstrap has > successfully concluded. > Do we aim at a specific protocol or do we want to leave this open? >=20 > -- > Peter van der Stok > vanderstok consultancy >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 17:02:06 +0200 From: peter van der Stok To: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: <61110f7e2870402ba4ecfdaf5e909264@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> References: <1913d4ecf0647ffdb77ff7f4d751218c@xs4all.nl> <61110f7e2870402ba4ecfdaf5e909264@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> Message-ID: <06638ab8359175685feb61f9873799bc@xs4all.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (ZIOlwz2U3zdSFgL5CD0fNlnihpQ47VQV) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Cc: Anima-bootstrap , consultancy@vanderstok.org Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] bootstrap purpose X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 15:02:17 -0000 Hi Michael, In earlier versions of the bootstrapping the purpose was to add an unsecured node to a secured mesh network. Nodes on the secured network exchanged encrypted messages. New nodes had to learn the keys to encrypt. New nodes were not allowed to communicate with other secured nodes but for starting the acquisition of the keys. Therefore the joining node needed a neighbouring proxy, because unsecured messages were not routed over the secured network. I don't find the concept of secured network any more and start wondering why we need the neighbouring proxy. Peter Michael Behringer (mbehring) schreef op 2016-05-24 13:23: > Hi Peter, > > The primary purpose of draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra is to > deploy a domain specific key infrastructure. You're not mentioning > that, I assume because it's obvious? > > What a device does with that key material is outside scope of this > document. Although, 3.5 and 3.6 go a little step in that direction. > IMO we should keep the bootstrap of key material (current objective of > doc) clearly separate from what to do with this key material. So we > should probably be clearer that 3.5 are just examples. > > To me, the objectives you mention: > >> As far as I understood there are 2 objectives; >> 1) a packet sent by an unauthorized node is not routed through the >> network >> 2) An unauthorized node cannot interpret a packet sent by an >> authorized >> node > > are not the main objective of this work, but of course a security > consideration for the bootstrap process. > > Since I'm not sure I understood you fully, please let me know whether > we're in line! > Michael > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anima-bootstrap [mailto:anima-bootstrap-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of peter van der Stok >> Sent: 24 May 2016 09:23 >> To: Anima-bootstrap >> Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] bootstrap purpose >> >> Hi all, >> >> I looked again at the keyinfra draft and did not recognize an explicit >> description of the purpose of securing the network with the bootstrap. >> >> As far as I understood there are 2 objectives; >> 1) a packet sent by an unauthorized node is not routed through the >> network >> 2) An unauthorized node cannot interpret a packet sent by an >> authorized >> node >> >> Neither does the text tell us how this is achieved once the bootstrap >> has >> successfully concluded. >> Do we aim at a specific protocol or do we want to leave this open? >> >> -- >> Peter van der Stok >> vanderstok consultancy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Anima-bootstrap mailing list >> Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap > > _______________________________________________ > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap From nobody Tue May 24 13:34:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D3E12D532 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 13:34:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VIV_8vGa-ojP for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 13:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x22a.google.com (mail-pa0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E6B612D515 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 13:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id qo8so9964189pab.1 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 13:34:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g170zhTPh5njYA7Ma93OooUZjMiAS1tvrG+IsIJftbI=; b=E5peZWqe7J7CLs4bgi8nVP+49aVebaxNSvRQX4H9BXU4R3ncO7pKyhxLDFyEQF1URe ZDTv9hVRkBSUQTgA0Nr5H0R8j8ktLAaULz7QojgYSOkqtbPzKuTpo4UPbGH+0nN4sFj6 YuU9xkc7vARBlNIte13BSkhPIDu9g9J/RKuGShsnecU5o43QUf80+FD+ecNz/8pX8N/S 3Cq0CYnf3KAtrOfA2QCytBsNlEloTB7SBTbhW26Qxhz+9HQCb1I2E+YQ0Jzu2VjTvSQE 8ar/SM0qf/RC9mkSqptPSa8XxjHOU4+EY5yDtWu8BbH43YcyPKeu0J06qBh9aZzqiJKw fuHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=g170zhTPh5njYA7Ma93OooUZjMiAS1tvrG+IsIJftbI=; b=j2FGX0blcfJR1x5rEDYh6PierNSPYD5rIMgGS7ZEkoDi2v+/RLR9neGyeHCWkx6Xcx YJoxclN/WyuKElV7VfApqecwqEfUIGOjVkpNnrBGuqB31hTAPnlemFzJK5oNJXUz7Fug cxcNF6p1bX+h1Ytbm6Eo0n8lQFp/65o9grt+MEyxAVeW74g0WuGtsKI1DZI4cL2JhBij gaObpj0HUAtBLQzSKwQxtfuk5Ha9yeQsYWx3SywPo6opeyNgfGCazzyhOyeURP10nXIl Dxa8F53IewU+g6CugZ1CJjy7K6zD6uTXZtc6fvmqbzmuORslO9YCB758ymVG1LigCjTp Bzfg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tI8lKSmg5FjbYDbcEP9YEXvb7q6ej9NYk3v8sU0h2eQSqRxzYEF9V8KxPVjKYZuJw== X-Received: by 10.66.77.165 with SMTP id t5mr122279paw.61.1464122073625; Tue, 24 May 2016 13:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e007:51cc:1:6d59:c4ad:d071:e461? ([2406:e007:51cc:1:6d59:c4ad:d071:e461]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f191sm28783449pfa.26.2016.05.24.13.34.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 24 May 2016 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) To: consultancy@vanderstok.org, "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" References: <1913d4ecf0647ffdb77ff7f4d751218c@xs4all.nl> <61110f7e2870402ba4ecfdaf5e909264@XCH-RCD-006.cisco.com> <06638ab8359175685feb61f9873799bc@xs4all.nl> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <2cb7902b-01eb-7794-7721-2d564b262013@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 08:34:35 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <06638ab8359175685feb61f9873799bc@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Anima-bootstrap Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] bootstrap purpose X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 20:34:39 -0000 On 25/05/2016 03:02, peter van der Stok wrote: > Hi Michael, > > In earlier versions of the bootstrapping the purpose was to add an unsecured node to a secured mesh network. > Nodes on the secured network exchanged encrypted messages. > New nodes had to learn the keys to encrypt. > New nodes were not allowed to communicate with other secured nodes but for starting the acquisition of the keys. > > Therefore the joining node needed a neighbouring proxy, because unsecured messages were not routed over the secured network. > I don't find the concept of secured network any more and start wondering why we need the neighbouring proxy. The secured network is the ACP, so I wouldn't expect any of that discussion in the bootstrap work. It should be in the description of how the ACP is formed. (In the non-ACP case, the assumption we make is that the nodes all have appropriate certificates for (D)TLS, and those certificates will be sufficient to keep traffic within the AN domain.) I though the proxy was simply the way to reach the domain registrar? Brian > > Peter > > Michael Behringer (mbehring) schreef op 2016-05-24 13:23: >> Hi Peter, >> >> The primary purpose of draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra is to >> deploy a domain specific key infrastructure. You're not mentioning >> that, I assume because it's obvious? >> >> What a device does with that key material is outside scope of this >> document. Although, 3.5 and 3.6 go a little step in that direction. >> IMO we should keep the bootstrap of key material (current objective of >> doc) clearly separate from what to do with this key material. So we >> should probably be clearer that 3.5 are just examples. >> >> To me, the objectives you mention: >> >>> As far as I understood there are 2 objectives; >>> 1) a packet sent by an unauthorized node is not routed through the network >>> 2) An unauthorized node cannot interpret a packet sent by an authorized >>> node >> >> are not the main objective of this work, but of course a security >> consideration for the bootstrap process. >> >> Since I'm not sure I understood you fully, please let me know whether >> we're in line! >> Michael >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Anima-bootstrap [mailto:anima-bootstrap-bounces@ietf.org] On >>> Behalf Of peter van der Stok >>> Sent: 24 May 2016 09:23 >>> To: Anima-bootstrap >>> Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] bootstrap purpose >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I looked again at the keyinfra draft and did not recognize an explicit >>> description of the purpose of securing the network with the bootstrap. >>> >>> As far as I understood there are 2 objectives; >>> 1) a packet sent by an unauthorized node is not routed through the network >>> 2) An unauthorized node cannot interpret a packet sent by an authorized >>> node >>> >>> Neither does the text tell us how this is achieved once the bootstrap has >>> successfully concluded. >>> Do we aim at a specific protocol or do we want to leave this open? >>> >>> -- >>> Peter van der Stok >>> vanderstok consultancy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Anima-bootstrap mailing list >>> Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Anima-bootstrap mailing list >> Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap > > _______________________________________________ > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap > From nobody Wed May 25 17:19:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D889C12B04A for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 17:19:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.327 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.327 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sp5GEQ2haHdw for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 17:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CAA312D1DB for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 17:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE21200A5; Wed, 25 May 2016 20:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE03638BF; Wed, 25 May 2016 20:19:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: anima-bootstrap X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: Russ Housley Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] minutes from ANIMA bootstrap 2016-05-24, including query re: use of RFC4108 X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 00:19:30 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Up-front-query for Russ about RFC4108: 1) can we use this piece of RFC4108 directly in this way? 2) Or should we have a new id-on-XXX? (even if the hardwareModuleName is identical) As additional part of the query: The Trusted Computing Group's specification "TCG Infrastructure WG TPM Keys for Platform Identity for TPM 1.2 Specification, Version 1.0 Revision 3" indicates that a DevID certificate for a TPM: > SHALL contain a hardwareModuleName as specified in RFC 4108 [50] that > describes the TPM. > Note: The TCG registered OID (2.23.133.1.0) represents the hwType and > TPM 1.2. The hwSerialNum is the TPM serial number. The combination of > the hwType and hwSerialNum uniquely identifies the hardware module. > Meanwhile they are apparently looking at: > "the use of HardwareModuleName to represent the TPM when using the > hwType 2.23.133.1.2 to represent "TPM2.0."" Meeting 2016-05-24. Present: Max Pritikin (max) Michael Richardson (mcr) Peter van der Stok (peter) Toerless Eckert (toerless) We resumed the work to review the EDNOTEs in the document, but were drawn to a comment that _mcr_ made the previous week about RFC4108. We talked for 50 minutes on this topic, aa it has relevance to the document and to attempts to get running code. _mcr_ had asked if we could use the the hardwareModuleName subjectAltName that is defined in RFC4108 (as well as the defined otherName OID). RFC4108 is primarily about signing firmware, it provides for the signed firmware object to be bound to a particular device, and provides the following ASN.1: id-on-hardwareModuleName OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { iso(1) identified-organization(3) dod(6) internet(1) security(5) mechanisms(5) pkix(7) on(8) 4 } A HardwareModuleName (HMN) is composed of an object identifier and an octet string: HardwareModuleName ::= SEQUENCE { hwType OBJECT IDENTIFIER, hwSerialNum OCTET STRING } We discussed a few aspects of this definition. 1) it has a hwType which is an OID, and therefore manufacturers can define an OID from an OID ARC they control, such as a Private Enterprise Number (PEN). 2) the hwType means that all of the hwSerialNum is vendor-specific, and the vendor can take care of making sure that this number is unique. We discussed that we might also want to have one or more well-known hwType OIDs for the case where the hwSerialNum is in fact an EUI-48 or EUI-64; i.e. for the case where hwSerialNum is already a globally unique identifier. We also discussed that we feel that for ANIMA, hwSerialNum SHOULD be restricted to IA5String. We expect the contents of this field to be human readable. We believe that this subjectAltName attribute be a MUST for LDevIDs produced by the registar. Behind the scenes this really means that the registrar must reject certificate requests from clients where this SAN is not included. We want the LDevID to contain as many attributes from the IDevID as possible, but we also want the registrar to be in authoritative for the CN. The CN will be set (i.e. the registrar will insist that the client request) a CN that is relevant to the domain. It may be that some vendors will be unable or unwilling to provide a HardwareModuleName in their IDevID. We discussed that this may require custom code in the registrar to extract an equivalent for the HardwareModuleName from other places in the IDevID. This is preferably out of scope. In discussion, it was realized that because the contents of the certificate MUST be specified by the client, that this custom code mostly must live in the new node, which the vendor controls anyway. {The above is not entirely true though: if the new node wants to claim HardwareModuleName="FOO", then the registar must be able to verify that "FOO" occurs in an appropriate place in the IDevID, so the registar may still need proprietary code if the vendor won't put a HMN in their IDevID) Document ACTIONs: 1) The device SHOULD propogate all fields from the IDevID (subjectAltName, and subjectName) to the LDevID via the CSR. The Registar is, however, authoritative for the CN, and does not copy that literally. 2) Section 5.1 will be updated to indicate that the Registar SHOULD look to the rfc4108 hwModuleName for the hwSerialNum and MAY look to vendor specific locations for compatibilitiy with non-standard manufacturing installed credentials. 3) The Resulting LDevID MUST have a hwSerialNum regardless of where the registrar had to look to find it in the IDevID. 4) The HardwareModuleName is the registrar's identifier into the MASA. For the purposes of lookup to the MASA, we will consider the entire HardwareModuleName as an octet-string, including the ASN.1 SEQUENCE overhead. 5) If the hwSerialNum must be generated by the registar from another source (such as an EUI-48 in some other field), then we will want to define a hwType for this (TBD). (This language needs to be cleaned up to reflect the reality of EST vs CMC and the use of CSRattrs to the client for generation of the CSR conforming to these requirements) In discussion, the terms: SUDI == Secure Unique Device Identifier. which is Cisco speak for an IDevID. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBV0ZBCoCLcPvd0N1lAQKdegf/SpJfOobLKVxh/rI6mzwSSDxYzmnN5esf zwHhKb77F87DB/vjWInL++wwLUcMbLSokO8n4t2pbYHS39i7GPeZrAeFZKo1KgKU PITkw0Us3ekYFSvOc8fNKr9Bf++KmoZGWghQzw/qC99Ogu3+2ITcf8vshRL/oo/X uLKxEK25y68tu+9JDHNk9OMnx2qzRpC4LGHyIKBt9olXztlSmoyJ5deJ+ySYTWfh yd2UedubOfpMgk2fwBgoz+8nIjOgjz5CBdrPapgH7YQzfkQKiq/KGTNeoi8xASFY k6BNgl14vPyxOvfyIyEo5Fkz8+oEzif+cfPWHzEMlMSj3/OvdAdxfw== =pSVH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--