From nobody Mon Jan 2 21:13:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2542129469 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 21:13:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 49ArAOqlXdUm for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 21:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C79671293F0 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 21:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52A82054A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 00:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2B2638D5 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 00:13:33 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: anima-bootstrap X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] Jan. 3 call --- probably a bad idea X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 05:13:35 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain I am agnostic about having a call on Jan.3. I will open the conference at the right time, but I will pleased if nobody shows up because you are on vacation. {If you do show up, I'd like to talk CWT for ownership voucher, and the right text to move to the ownership voucher document} -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlhrMvwACgkQgItw+93Q 3WVmSQf8DrEmqyhoD8gT/Y4sIdtwGMt16EJbdbZCUetWYFf7kS2u6qNcs9NvOOko w2pdc9+BPPeoPkuw8O4iWWw+xVMAfI6BbvS1L52MUHRrHRTivjLE6UrihfkHDwgy iSo3JyJpwDkwTl+j6U5fJGMwPB3x2r1P0+XHkm8spnKEWEackpd0pgE7oBAWizHW OU7KPCsPSoR64168rlT0v7zEnmYP+ujGOikRlFG2qytz24lFWCvsjTS24CUQ2Mrv 0NX6Fr5qrQ65wCFCsjSgeFiVlIoISXFWKBkAyk8jCu/BaQifVetMnL7Kpl34Ut9E Yjw6aa7fuY7lKHhTBrq9zNGCkZqkkA== =n3Ca -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Jan 4 01:35:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678C7129C79 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 01:35:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.32 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.32 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IOODYaiN1Coa for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 01:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECDE112995C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 01:35:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DDU69881; Wed, 04 Jan 2017 09:35:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.104) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 09:35:26 +0000 Received: from NKGEML514-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::40a8:f0d:c0f3:2ca5]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 17:35:16 +0800 From: "Liubing (Leo)" To: "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: CoAP mandatory? 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List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:17:02 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Max, we write: > In a "trust on first use" model, where > this threat is ignored, the attacker has an opportunity to install a > persistent malware component. I wonder if we have confounded two things in this statement. The process by which the pledge trusts the network operator (and therefore provide super-user control and configuratoin credentials to the network) with the process by which the pledge trusts new firmware updates. I can see that for many devices that do not have signed software updates, if an operator has configuation control, then they also have software update control. Even in the context of signed updates, if the choice of update to run includes ability to run an old version with an exploit that malware is possible. I'm not sure what I want to do about the above statement, I am just uncomfortable that we may be confusing some less technical readers into believing that we solve problems we are not (and probably can not). -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYcQGOAAoJEJVM4Vb9/EKQWPoH/2a8Kd3G1x37ybiqyhLhLrXa DJosbFyKZJnXd7WMn2zPL2DUGKxm5jxdY+nOD18gk8FOzLBmd6q1igaKfkMC2ThX lBE1ZTXbq9aXG6ePoLNmWhQwHce+tiCDqKzh5egjN6JZ22ZARGIhLLCiv1O8JNaQ sp3xIycGt3pYtEvKeHfVOrZx2OwO/4g0jzEPk7qaSVN8gT6RK6bi5wJBVQEvUrPu GgOGnPdlat/ohjYkFRqj50e31dsIpiLF88kdFyf/8kNd0HLKaqhhCo5BRuwTss6J hDgPOTQ8wJvG2MD2yhr0sSu2prlZo6zc51PeKNXF4BpmPgxNZeX/rcrVgFAhIcw= =j6cv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Jan 9 17:11:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE101299CD for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:11:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9R0HjYx7Jdv5 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7E0D1299CA for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:11:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=13424; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1484010710; x=1485220310; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=OoS7M5vhWD6uR/CYY8OGhc5K0giEUU4uOXr3GUIePv0=; b=cdXTcYAqJtiWG5Io8x/M6VSxzVSgQGo7yGcAXcOFS9Tnwsq5M1dJ1b3+ 9ps0pVAHpiZNDgJS2BiMEJLRQ9A2mc3GaJmMSuQOESNzItNu82L1P89EE vJPVWMAiE/pwcMUnxTNzE1pcu4i7CHv7ST04dq5BJXotNXDE0MAfgae8E 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DvAgDRM3RY/4QNJK1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBgnFJAQEBAQEfX4EMB4NInC+PfIUrggqGIgIagU9AEwECAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAWMohGgBAQEEIwpMEAIBCBEEAQEoAwICAjAUCQgCBAENBQiIaLAbgiWKJAEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAR2GRYRhhHyCUoJeBZUchgABkUOQZZJUASEBNUJ?= =?us-ascii?q?+FYZic4dZgQ0BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.33,341,1477958400"; d="scan'208,217";a="369116559" Received: from alln-core-10.cisco.com ([173.36.13.132]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 10 Jan 2017 01:11:49 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-010.cisco.com (xch-rcd-010.cisco.com [173.37.102.20]) by alln-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v0A1BnZi017720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jan 2017 01:11:49 GMT Received: from xch-aln-010.cisco.com (173.36.7.20) by XCH-RCD-010.cisco.com (173.37.102.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 19:11:48 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-010.cisco.com ([173.36.7.20]) by XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com ([173.36.7.20]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 19:11:48 -0600 From: "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" To: "Liubing (Leo)" , "anima-bootstrap@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: CoAP mandatory? 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(faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE0C58C4AE for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:17:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 8479EB0B482; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:17:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:17:32 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: anima-bootstrap Message-ID: <20170117171732.GA14606@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] Anima bootstrap: discover protocol multicast notes X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:17:36 -0000 Hi folks I have added my gist wrt to the discovery protocol detail i am interested in to the etherpad http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont=true lines 368 - 407 Hope this explains it better than my feeble verbal attempts during the call. Cheers Toerless From nobody Tue Jan 17 09:28:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04AF128874 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:28:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KW2UUXIY9AjM for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:28:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D1BC1294AC for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:28:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5AA58C4AE for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:28:25 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id E97C2B0B482; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:28:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:28:24 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: anima-bootstrap Message-ID: <20170117172824.GB14606@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20170117171732.GA14606@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170117171732.GA14606@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Anima bootstrap: discover protocol multicast notes X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:28:28 -0000 Oh, and just read mDNS RFC and found the place where it prohibits periodic unsolicited announcements, so added that at the end. Michael: Would be great if you can figure out what you see in your network. Worst case we'll have to ask Stewart... Cheers Toerless On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 06:17:32PM +0100, Toerless Eckert wrote: > Hi folks > > I have added my gist wrt to the discovery protocol detail i am > interested in to the etherpad > > http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont=true > > lines 368 - 407 > > Hope this explains it better than my feeble verbal attempts during the call. > > Cheers > Toerless -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Tue Jan 17 15:14:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB741294C1 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:14:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5MxGVwqI5CcC for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf0-x22a.google.com (mail-pf0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A805129417 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id e4so26928957pfg.1 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:14:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=moq07vjpR0QyOc+INpH7U88uZoifnW+BIEkkcdKRKWM=; b=DUtidQvCyqOEVl68HgayJhIpyUg8HlvFy5eVGJT4OiFvWWMGHzfhNfMYzcAewqJYeQ lAG924qjgifMuuYt1cKG6bOczLg2eYFfirhircsGjREa8KZK7pZCid/FTz3yy3hPdphi rtQNs3/MQqvas2M4qAMdAzvplCufTeqANcDZO3Lytkjl1xYwHMryFpRVLyn0gxv6gnZR 0uUDyWug0OX77aovHV1WHQ9jOlx9MRwBdedqBUSVlJJrs+WJ3a6KDAveg98uQU/cx07K 4cHKakS5MHuG6FP1rfkfkWUjZKxJm3nQmVCpc4Dp7QnF5WFtIZokxIoYAkzH0oiQOjBn 65XQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=moq07vjpR0QyOc+INpH7U88uZoifnW+BIEkkcdKRKWM=; b=FENWJlZNi7AKdQYUEt9CNILfyzgHoD4jD/u7mEgVUpTIt62hk3PeMU7mOWuX5KQIfK KATQLP+eIWaRTwkmcj5z2aaO3bi5Ju6Si0HWBFdakiOmkfYunaLBbLDd4w/54UlpIcqZ eg3eBSaSGVVncjK8fsAy481D8/iEyYDcwOW9GivHnkwc9qhdmVBaZAVeqU5D2XmOYG7S kf1cI/eTNCbO/gJ10JT2c+HcoQBTaMpfZL5cE1y/Tlep4LIDdf25SNCuHfSXh8XYavtS tJK5SczYFlozx9Bwlf3LfopdDGKe/vGMGlt+58Isrwy/DLg0cIEyaixAGoFwKN2CQ2fE eoHw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXKXq5MCqN7sNV+Q22XwxZstUxOfYFVpXmwy8YjmAY5Pga5M3o1KvpWmzfF0zFLedQ== X-Received: by 10.98.57.16 with SMTP id g16mr152691pfa.109.1484694839424; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.21] ([118.148.125.53]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q80sm58244464pfi.13.2017.01.17.15.13.57 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:13:58 -0800 (PST) To: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org References: <20170117171732.GA14606@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20170117172824.GB14606@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 12:13:59 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170117172824.GB14606@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Anima bootstrap: discover protocol multicast notes X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 23:14:02 -0000 Hi Toerless, > (R)ight: L2 discovery protocol requirement: > proxy needs to periodically (unsolicited) announce its proxy service via L2 multicast/broadcast > pledge only accepts reply if it was multicast/broadcast > pledge should then try to register via such discovered proxies. > if multiple proxies discovered, parallel and/or sequential -> more difficult discussion I take that as a vote for M_FLOOD > The security of (R)ight depends on pledge being able to see if received packet from proxy was L2 > unicast or multicasted. Why? If a malicious node knows that pledges might be checking this, they will multicast their bogus announcements. And how could they know the address of a targetted pledge anyway, in order to send the bogus announcement unicast? > This information is typically ignored in existing network protocol stacks > and is also typically unavailable on the socket-API. This IMHO makes it highly beneficial to > use a very lightweight protocol (like the subset of GRASP dedicate to this) that can specifically > be implemented to do this security check. Presumably you have to use a raw socket. I don't see any other way to get the destination address out of the packet. Regards Brian On 18/01/2017 06:28, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > Oh, and just read mDNS RFC and found the place where it prohibits > periodic unsolicited announcements, so added that at the end. > > Michael: Would be great if you > can figure out what you see in your network. Worst case we'll have > to ask Stewart... > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 06:17:32PM +0100, Toerless Eckert wrote: >> Hi folks >> >> I have added my gist wrt to the discovery protocol detail i am >> interested in to the etherpad >> >> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/anima-boostrapping?useMonospaceFont=true >> >> lines 368 - 407 >> >> Hope this explains it better than my feeble verbal attempts during the call. >> >> Cheers >> Toerless > From nobody Fri Jan 20 07:26:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9787129961; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 07:26:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OvcE20dWtJn1; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 07:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B5EF129BDC; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 07:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11DCE1E4; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03837636BB; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: anima@ietf.org, 6tisch@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: anima-bootstrap , netconf@ietf.org, 6tisch-security@ietf.org Subject: [Anima-bootstrap] converging on some common terminology X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: anima@ietf.org, 6tisch@ietf.org List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:26:11 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain At the 6tisch-security design team call and then on the anima bootstrap call on Tuesday, we discussed merging of terminology as an important step to getting all the bootstrap ideas together. These are the terms which we have concluded on: 1) PLEDGE. replaces Joining Node and "New Node" 2) JOIN PROXY. replaces Join Assistant and bare "Proxy" 3) JOIN REGISTRAR (and Coordinator). Replaces bare "Registrar", and JCE. The "Coordinator" part is considered a seperate, co-located, but optional role. 4) MASA. remains the same. 5) vendor provided interface that MASA uses to talk to remains unnamed. Here are the proposals therefore: ANIMA, dtbootstrap document. was already using PLEDGE. (KEEP IT) PROXY -> JOIN PROXY. REGISTRAR -> officially, "Join Registrar", maybe be shortened in the text to "Registrar" where this is unambiguous. 6tisch-dtsecurity ("Phase one") and 6tisch-minimal security ("One-Touch/Phase two"): Was using Joining Node --> Pledge. Was using Join Assistant --> Join Proxy Was using Joint Coordination Entity (JCE) -> Join Registrar and Coordinator. Adds term MASA. Additional terms which we need to import: 1) "drop ship" 2) "imprint", 3) "enrollment", 4) "audit token", "ownership token" <- from draft-ietf-anima-voucher. There also some discussion about the terminology used by 802.15.10: "mesh root" <- has a coordinator role and a registrar role as I understand it. We asked if: Registrar and Coordinator always co-located? We thought so, but there could be exceptions, and it might be out of scope. ACTION ITEMS ============ 1) ANIMA documents to update terms, and be authoritative for terms. 2) 6tisch documents to update terms, pointing at ANIMA and 6tisch terminology. 3) 6tisch terminology document to include the terms as being imported from ANIMA. 4) netconf: probably just adjust terminology to point at when they terms are the same as ANIMA, or when they are different. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAliCLA8ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXILggAikWHJ5gI/lcU8OmBhhUolxtusxq/watPkHC4XwQb5rT54dXtQigsGH72 1F+4JMRS9VxunGSqnQPeA+fL9XUubzxvaAmErDe9epnqWTJzol0hM244ceymNkm3 oU40o+ZDRmiIJr4uW7qEjvBKE3Cy6YdGIL34Ybgtt9Gt7I3GYoCv/MFHv9X/yEr2 UhzwPhOqudjSKdx6jokGo7VdlFHqfMZD4T1WUxBL69NW0XvtQzI0BOvNocHHIxg5 Sa9jN6CUsgFTO0Z8BW9a2qO6bcHlnQUS+ikRmF7T4ap0k+Csq4z7ENNii0s2Qcd/ BgH3o369Q8W8UJh+bm30koYMiYTRGQ== =xsrY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri Jan 20 09:15:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE13129490; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: anima-bootstrap , "netconf@ietf.org" , "6tisch-security@ietf.org" <6tisch-security@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] [6tisch] converging on some common terminology X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:15:45 -0000 Thanks a lot Michael! I do support this convergence which will help people working at the interse= ction of IOT and ANIMA, which hopefully is quite extensive. Take care, Pascal -----Original Message----- From: 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Michael Richards= on Sent: vendredi 20 janvier 2017 16:26 To: anima@ietf.org; 6tisch@ietf.org Cc: anima-bootstrap ; netconf@ietf.org; 6tisch-se= curity@ietf.org Subject: [6tisch] converging on some common terminology At the 6tisch-security design team call and then on the anima bootstrap cal= l on Tuesday, we discussed merging of terminology as an important step to g= etting all the bootstrap ideas together. These are the terms which we have concluded on: 1) PLEDGE. replaces Joining Node and "New Node" 2) JOIN PROXY. replaces Join Assistant and bare "Proxy" 3) JOIN REGISTRAR (and Coordinator). Replaces bare "Registrar", and JCE. The "Coordinator" part is considered a seperate, co-located, but optional role. 4) MASA. remains the same. 5) vendor provided interface that MASA uses to talk to remains unnamed. Here are the proposals therefore: ANIMA, dtbootstrap document. was already using PLEDGE. (KEEP IT) PROXY -> JOIN PROXY. REGISTRAR -> officially, "Join Registrar", maybe be shortened in the text to "Registrar" where this is unambiguous. 6tisch-dtsecurity ("Phase one") and 6tisch-minimal security ("One-Touch/Pha= se two"): Was using Joining Node --> Pledge. Was using Join Assistant --> Join Proxy Was using Joint Coordination Entit= y (JCE) -> Join Registrar and Coordinator. Adds term MASA. Additional terms which we need to import: 1) "drop ship" 2) "imprint", 3) "enrollment", 4) "audit token", "ownership token" <- from draft-ietf-anima-voucher. There also some discussion about the terminology used by 802.15.10: "mesh root" <- has a coordinator role and a registrar role as I understand it. We asked if: Registrar and Coordinator always co-located? We thought so, but there could be exceptions, and it might be out of scope. ACTION ITEMS =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1) ANIMA documents to update terms, and be authoritative for terms. 2) 6tisch documents to update terms, pointing at ANIMA and 6tisch terminolo= gy. 3) 6tisch terminology document to include the terms as being imported from = ANIMA. 4) netconf: probably just adjust terminology to point at when they terms ar= e the same as ANIMA, or when they are different. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D = IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- From nobody Sat Jan 21 13:42:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima-bootstrap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B671293F5; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:42:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M5ljedaoFkmD; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg0-x241.google.com (mail-pg0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01F631293FD; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg0-x241.google.com with SMTP id t6so9963284pgt.1; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2zlio+A7Zjk4w3eOZxGIXHfVQXEPNl/g/dvDott7uKQ=; b=dH1v8N7+UqeV8hlTrvGvohhgq3rvUKiM6o+LyXbZ6n9zoI5SKOiYLMQRlR6mBkqiNo fXDDtiyctE3KMOZ1/tllhHd5arRHWPHcoR64IZe3LRom/DWZ9mfjM4/eUK1hg2pkylhe shjaMENjImTc3+aQH6B9k5CBVxodHB9ZUz+LKS688OaxRYVylzrsPOtkobeNB2Q1RiZ6 UcuMQel4gyypvl0Bm9QLCrGWwfDmHWZT9aRZyydyHDXqhr0GNpIp8M2gn7ceon+IIUVM NbiHjmWjN+l2AJWoKDcc4T9CJZGnEHw1tp4hN2WhNZzsCTrH7hLVn51httqZZAWJf49u FvMA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2zlio+A7Zjk4w3eOZxGIXHfVQXEPNl/g/dvDott7uKQ=; b=We5U8XyIPD0gmJ54ZBpxbVkTwSaBDmQi9TLy64ohPaJjfCjvDDua076htzSTiYN1AL e/VGS9ws7HkxdDVYN5pyD96Q5ZTy7iXZNZbUW6SkECpAGOw69+13J5I3fKloZaqRakhR +BtYO/+EItN9J+EidqkdUO6ff51r9xgxWXHX7NLPIA4jK9H/PTYT7dQDrHrDppzoYolu 2EFftipqfHfMqrZP3AGg7ujaLsb5NZQEDKBfUrrJehcGMODplfHuYZdGYCpETKxevFC4 UNy2GyG/X/2BsK+4ziAbKKlu/1VILhxmPdVcQghXZbjTyu7mWI/Irz0/LtvOgLjRV43d DuBw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXK4jH43ggHAbD8IHrLkYTjtNlewQIF2SPRa/3WDe+n75++s5MK4KHrGaz8lCCPI8A== X-Received: by 10.84.215.149 with SMTP id l21mr16336372pli.16.1485034969394; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.21] (84.25.255.123.static.snap.net.nz. [123.255.25.84]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o126sm26102154pga.34.2017.01.21.13.42.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:42:48 -0800 (PST) To: anima@ietf.org, 6tisch@ietf.org References: <2978.1484925967@obiwan.sandelman.ca> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <676ffd6f-7e9a-5879-a08e-41b1c3b72ad9@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 10:42:42 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2978.1484925967@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: anima-bootstrap , netconf@ietf.org, 6tisch-security@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] converging on some common terminology X-BeenThere: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the bootstrap design team of the ANIMA WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 21:42:51 -0000 So, we should adopt this terminology for the GRASP objectives, I guess. We also need to make them correspond to the latest thinking in other ways too. Any more comments on draft-carpenter-anima-ani-objectives before we update it? Regards Brian On 21/01/2017 04:26, Michael Richardson wrote: > > At the 6tisch-security design team call and then on the anima bootstrap call > on Tuesday, we discussed merging of terminology as an important step to > getting all the bootstrap ideas together. > > These are the terms which we have concluded on: > > 1) PLEDGE. replaces Joining Node and "New Node" > 2) JOIN PROXY. replaces Join Assistant and bare "Proxy" > 3) JOIN REGISTRAR (and Coordinator). Replaces bare "Registrar", and JCE. > The "Coordinator" part is considered a seperate, > co-located, but optional role. > > 4) MASA. remains the same. > 5) vendor provided interface that MASA uses to talk to remains unnamed. > > Here are the proposals therefore: > > ANIMA, dtbootstrap document. > was already using PLEDGE. (KEEP IT) > PROXY -> JOIN PROXY. > REGISTRAR -> officially, "Join Registrar", maybe be shortened > in the text to "Registrar" where this is unambiguous. > > 6tisch-dtsecurity ("Phase one") and 6tisch-minimal security ("One-Touch/Phase two"): > > Was using Joining Node --> Pledge. > Was using Join Assistant --> Join Proxy > Was using Joint Coordination Entity (JCE) -> Join Registrar and Coordinator. > Adds term MASA. > > Additional terms which we need to import: > > 1) "drop ship" > 2) "imprint", > 3) "enrollment", > 4) "audit token", "ownership token" <- from draft-ietf-anima-voucher. > > There also some discussion about the terminology used by 802.15.10: > "mesh root" <- has a coordinator role and a registrar role as I > understand it. > > We asked if: Registrar and Coordinator always co-located? > We thought so, but there could be exceptions, and it might be out of scope. > > > ACTION ITEMS > ============ > 1) ANIMA documents to update terms, and be authoritative for terms. > 2) 6tisch documents to update terms, pointing at ANIMA and 6tisch terminology. > 3) 6tisch terminology document to include the terms as being imported from ANIMA. > 4) netconf: probably just adjust terminology to point at when they terms are > the same as ANIMA, or when they are different. > > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap >