From nobody Thu Jan 28 09:21:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arcing@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: arcing@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649161A8AB5 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:21:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6mleMdo_ytSz for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:21:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qg0-x22a.google.com (mail-qg0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8205D1A8AB4 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qg0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id e32so44781149qgf.3 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:21:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=AWWJwQYWPd/Y12eiB2q+xg0bgn+tVHi16Mc93Uz533g=; b=pvZDPB9cRNXrPRb0pFvdji/tL1n7Ea4Rqzp/2Hf2Y1TKttvJ11Ao8MbYl2nlQNZ9uj qeCjbzqUGEBxtbuzSnKBC1lcpOA9Q1qdccFit36+KgxNr+mEJIeY8LVuz8J2RiHdvlkH dC1t3prLyDzcMgFAbdCEB+FwfBh+HGtbdnVIg+zSD0WBy7vPsn7dBPfq+lEYG/pPf9K3 e6R8Hs60iVZRkPjh3O1FRwRfSE3YLotx/M9KXA/d4ZEK/qcICtg2Gl0qr9+OLGp7D7IJ EhMzUOh6HDGsk7uXR1FtX9KQK+Uanw2FEQ/QfP05ppSrPYyltFFVqJ8ivUgHeHKmqagh I1JQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=AWWJwQYWPd/Y12eiB2q+xg0bgn+tVHi16Mc93Uz533g=; b=TZeTpTIx8eu89H0xMfd26ueAhu/pJdSLpa51bMuaKcpMRuYln4HUrZGgrFV/ONhyYf lbB3KrA871zZwLkbh+twg9YDpdt7QKxCknJPt6P9cQhWHxDF+56hc/YyT5wvjdnlBAtt qR6/Hux9C1+zo4o0g25tHTtGObdGl4L0cxXjyuyBxelSywvXf+8MjOtSMnaqskW4I8xi /NtwQVHzIKvGyC9AC1Nri4swIBn0Eht9+8NvQAOK+Zalud8FD89puchJKANlyuLv8p5P uLqv7Z3lQbL2ysK88a04n53iNWF6wGyrQPbdr3HkV73bv0QJ7Bxbfk9l0Etc9b67UFd8 Y1wg== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSElhr84UszVuaZgWFfJannDxt735M5eRCF+9Ikemtw0sBgRvgDc1p0ONJ1pntxzxsSDB+8q3Af0n5/ug== X-Received: by 10.141.5.213 with SMTP id h204mr5385616qhd.43.1454001708623; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:21:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.55.14.211 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:21:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Hardie Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:21:29 -0800 Message-ID: To: arcing@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113a2b56586f4b052a682755 Archived-At: Subject: [Arcing] Howdy X-BeenThere: arcing@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: This list will discuss different architectural approaches to signalling alternative resolution contexts for Internet names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:21:54 -0000 --001a113a2b56586f4b052a682755 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings early arc-ers, I see that there are a couple of dozen folks currently on the list, and I wanted to give you a heads-up that we're about to send a "y'all come" message to various IETF lists. It's below; feel free to crib from it to invite your friends. regards, Ted Currently planned to send to apps-discuss, DNSOP, DNSSD, INIP-public etc. Howdy Andrew Sullivan, Suzanne Woolf and I have put a request in for a BoF at IETF 95 (arcing ) that is trying to take a slightly different squint at how to manage alternative resolution contexts like that of mDNS, .onion, or similar. We're trying to look beyond recent issues about RFC 6761 and special use name =E2=80=8B to see if there are different architectural approaches to the gen= eral problem. =E2=80=8B There's a stab at a problem statement draft available, building off of work that's already been done in DNSOP and other places. There is also a mailing list set up for early discussion ( arcing@ietf.org), and we'd appreciate anyone interested in the topic joining the discussion there. thanks, Ted, Andrew, Suzanne --001a113a2b56586f4b052a682755 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings early arc-ers,

I see = that there are a couple of dozen folks currently on the list, and I wanted = to give you a heads-up that we're about to send a "y'all come&= quot; message to various IETF lists.=C2=A0 It's below; feel free to cri= b from it to invite your friends.


regards,

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Ted

Currently planned to send to apps-discu= ss, DNSOP, DNSSD, INIP-public etc.

Howdy

Andrew Sullivan, Suzanne Woolf and I have put a request in for a BoF at I= ETF 95 (arcin= g) that is trying to take a slightly different squint at how to manage=20 alternative resolution contexts like that of mDNS, .onion, or similar.=C2= =A0=20 We're trying to look beyond recent issues about RFC 6761 and special us= e name
=E2=80=8B to see if there are different architec= tural approaches to the general problem.

=E2=80=8B
There's = a stab at a problem statement draft available, building off of work that's already been done in DNSOP and= =20 other places.=C2=A0 There is also a mailing list set up for early discussio= n (arcing@ietf.org= ), and we'd appreciate anyone interested in the topic joining the discu= ssion there.

thanks,

Ted, Andrew, Suzanne=C2=A0

--001a113a2b56586f4b052a682755-- From nobody Thu Jan 28 09:37:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arcing@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: arcing@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D6E1A8F33 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:37:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5aZrWtOMxL5U for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (pfe112-ca-1.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E88811A8BC5 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1130.7; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:37:12 -0800 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1130.005; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:37:12 -0800 From: Edward Lewis To: "arcing@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-lewis-domain-names-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHRWfFoL7anj1Ad70SzPEKq7liwX58RY20A Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:37:12 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160128172851.18674.34747.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20160128172851.18674.34747.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.0.151221 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.47.234] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="B_3536829428_11073202" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Arcing] FW: New Version Notification for draft-lewis-domain-names-02.txt X-BeenThere: arcing@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: This list will discuss different architectural approaches to signalling alternative resolution contexts for Internet names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:37:18 -0000 --B_3536829428_11073202 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I hadn't planned to submit the -02 update in concert with the Howdy message, but the timing is convenient. This is an individual draft with help from others, thrown in for consideration. On 1/28/16, 12:28, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" wrote: > >A new version of I-D, draft-lewis-domain-names-02.txt >has been successfully submitted by Edward Lewis and posted to the >IETF repository. > >Name: draft-lewis-domain-names >Revision: 02 >Title: Domain Names >Document date: 2016-01-30 >Group: Individual Submission >Pages: 17 >URL: >https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lewis-domain-names-02.txt >Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lewis-domain-names/ >Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lewis-domain-names-02 >Diff: >https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-lewis-domain-names-02 > >Abstract: >This document states a definition of Domain Name beyond the use of >the term within the Domain Name System. The document includes a >survey of the diverse ways Domain Names have been interpreted within >various protocols over time. The purpose of this is to give a solid >foundation for work on Domain Names across all protocols making use >of Domain Names. > > > > > >Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >submission >until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > >The IETF Secretariat > --B_3536829428_11073202 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIIR+AYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIR6TCCEeUCAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC D8EwggWwMIIEmKADAgECAhAOWKbdwJ1jDL89eBrwPJq7MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMGUxCzAJ BgNVBAYTAlVTMRUwEwYDVQQKEwxEaWdpQ2VydCBJbmMxGTAXBgNVBAsTEHd3dy5kaWdpY2Vy dC5jb20xJDAiBgNVBAMTG0RpZ2lDZXJ0IFNIQTIgQXNzdXJlZCBJRCBDQTAeFw0xNDA1MjMw MDAwMDBaFw0xNzA1MjMxMjAwMDBaMIHPMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzETMBEGA1UECBMKQ2FsaWZv cm5pYTEUMBIGA1UEBxMLTG9zIEFuZ2VsZXMxPDA6BgNVBAoTM0ludGVybmV0IENvcnBvcmF0 aW9uIGZvciBBc3NpZ25lZCBOYW1lcyBhbmQgTnVtYmVyczEZMBcGA1UECxMQUmVnaXN0cnkg 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[107.0.5.6]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 76sm14145121pft.44.2016.01.29.18.25.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:25:04 -0800 (PST) From: Douglas Otis X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 To: "arcing@ietf.org" Message-ID: <56AC1F60.6060803@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:26:40 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:31:49 -0800 Cc: Ray Bellis , Andrew Sullivan , ietf dnssd , mark@townsley.net, suzworldwide@gmail.com, Warren Kumari Subject: [Arcing] ARCING BoF and mailing list X-BeenThere: arcing@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: This list will discuss different architectural approaches to signalling alternative resolution contexts for Internet names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 02:25:07 -0000 Dear Ted, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cheshire-homenet-dot-home-02 https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/name-collision-mitigation-study-06jun14-en.pdf ,-- Lacking clear RFC 1918-like guidance directing operators to DNS namespaces safe for internal use, several such namespaces have been “appropriated” for this purpose over the years. While the etiology is subtly different, the .corp and .home TLDs are clear outliers in this respect; the use of .corp and .home for internal namespaces/networks is so overwhelming that the inertia created by such a large “installed base” and prevalent use is not likely reversible. We also note that RFC 6762 suggests that .corp and .home are safe for use on internal networks. '-- Reservation of Special-Use Domain Names will not circumvent normal domain name registration processes. Reservation as a Special-Use Name can however ensure it is NOT part of the DNS global namespace and returns NXDOMAIN. In the case of .corp or .home, a responsible agency is irrelevant due to conventions established by those meeting obvious necessities. Registering a domain should not be considered a necessary expense for resolving hosts contained in homenet realms. A home network may consist of multiple links interconnected using IP-layer routing rather than link-layer bridging where multicast might be impractical or poorly supported. Homenet routers should not forward link-local IPv6 packets to exclude traffic forwarded from the global Internet and may not forward some multicast traffic (especially that of non-diffused mDNS). A Special-Use Domain Name can anchor DNS-SD resources without being mistaken for an organizational domain. Otherwise devices made by many vendors are likely to make use of non-registered names nevertheless. Adopting a Special-Use Domain Name better ensures against future name collisions and resulting confusion that might otherwise occur. The URI domain is normally assessed from a security standpoint and used to illicit user feedback of potential threats where changing the URI form would be counter productive since this would require needless widespread change. Special-Use Domain Names of Peer-to-Peer Name Systems GNU Name System (GNS), for example, defines a decentralized and censorship-resistant overlay able to operate within mesh network topology as a bootstrap replacement. Special zone relative names based on a distributed hash offer DNS-free access for Friend-to-Friend networks. Relative names end in '.+' which indicates names resolved relative to the current local authoritative zone. Replacing the '.+' with the delegation chain to the authoritative zone produces a valid GNS name. Swapping .home for .gnu reduces the burden seen at root servers, and offers interesting techniques for handling local name space that can be differentiated by GNS specific Resource Records. Perhaps an I-D should be written to further extend the potential use of a DNS overlay and how to make its use locally safe. Perhaps use of GNS Resource records as an extension could eliminate a need for the resources and administration otherwise necessary to support Internet accessed DNS just to establish local names not published below the .local TLD. Currently there is no site-local scope naming conventions available and this should be changed without impacting URI conventions where examination of the entire name is most often used to assess any need for caution. Regards, Douglas Otis