From nobody Thu Mar 3 09:06:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arcing@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: arcing@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFCD1A88DC; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 09:06:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6lDJsF3kyJ_f; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 09:06:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (pfe112-ca-2.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC6401B29B8; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 09:04:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1130.7; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 09:04:32 -0800 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1130.005; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 09:04:32 -0800 From: Edward Lewis To: "arcing-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Arcing] arcing - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 95 Thread-Index: AQHRcNG/gerIqTBN0kC0zakX9nQarJ9ILiOA Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 17:04:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160226194955.23064.53842.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20160226194955.23064.53842.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.1.160122 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.47.234] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="B_3539851467_18937105" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "arcing@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Arcing] arcing - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 95 X-BeenThere: arcing@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: This list will discuss different architectural approaches to signalling alternative resolution contexts for Internet names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2016 17:06:37 -0000 --B_3539851467_18937105 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Is ARCING a formal working group? I don't see it listed on https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/. On 2/26/16, 11:49, "Arcing on behalf of "IETF Meeting Session Request Tool"" wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------- >Working Group Name: Alternative Resolution Contexts for Internet Naming Perhaps the same tool is used for WGs and BoFs, hence the use of "Working Group" here. On the other hand, maybe ARCING has been made a WG. Can't tell. This says it isn't chartered (found this using a web search engine, not from the IETF web site), state is BoF: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/arcing/charter/ If this is a BoF, what's the plan for an agenda? I ask because I have a draft already but I also feel the need to document why this is a problem based on hallway conversations and observations about the state of play. --B_3539851467_18937105 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIIR+AYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIR6TCCEeUCAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC D8EwggWwMIIEmKADAgECAhAOWKbdwJ1jDL89eBrwPJq7MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMGUxCzAJ BgNVBAYTAlVTMRUwEwYDVQQKEwxEaWdpQ2VydCBJbmMxGTAXBgNVBAsTEHd3dy5kaWdpY2Vy dC5jb20xJDAiBgNVBAMTG0RpZ2lDZXJ0IFNIQTIgQXNzdXJlZCBJRCBDQTAeFw0xNDA1MjMw MDAwMDBaFw0xNzA1MjMxMjAwMDBaMIHPMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzETMBEGA1UECBMKQ2FsaWZv cm5pYTEUMBIGA1UEBxMLTG9zIEFuZ2VsZXMxPDA6BgNVBAoTM0ludGVybmV0IENvcnBvcmF0 aW9uIGZvciBBc3NpZ25lZCBOYW1lcyBhbmQgTnVtYmVyczEZMBcGA1UECxMQUmVnaXN0cnkg TGlhaXNvbjEVMBMGA1UEAxMMRWR3YXJkIExld2lzMSUwIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhZlZHdhcmQu bGV3aXNAaWNhbm4ub3JnMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEA0JEom0oS 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resolution contexts for Internet names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2016 17:56:10 -0000 --001a11c173144cc7a2052d28b680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Ed, It was approved as a nonw-WG forming BoF, based on the agenda proposed in the wiki https://tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki. If there's a new draft you'd like discussed, please let the list know; I had already planned to ask you to discuss your history draft, so consider this your friendly ping on that point. best, Ted On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Edward Lewis wrote: > Is ARCING a formal working group? I don't see it listed on > https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/. > > On 2/26/16, 11:49, "Arcing on behalf of "IETF Meeting Session Request > Tool"" session_request_developers@ietf.org> wrote: > > >--------------------------------------------------------- > >Working Group Name: Alternative Resolution Contexts for Internet Naming > > Perhaps the same tool is used for WGs and BoFs, hence the use of "Working > Group" here. On the other hand, maybe ARCING has been made a WG. Can't > tell. > > This says it isn't chartered (found this using a web search engine, not > from the IETF web site), state is BoF: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/arcing/charter/ > > > If this is a BoF, what's the plan for an agenda? I ask because I have a > draft already but I also feel the need to document why this is a problem > based on hallway conversations and observations about the state of play. > > _______________________________________________ > Arcing mailing list > Arcing@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/arcing > > --001a11c173144cc7a2052d28b680 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ed,

It was approved as a nonw-WG= forming BoF, based on the agenda proposed in the wiki=C2=A0 https://tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki= .=C2=A0 If there's a new draft you'd like discussed, please let the= list know; I had already planned to ask you to discuss your history draft,= so consider this your friendly ping on that point.

best,=

Ted




On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at= 9:04 AM, Edward Lewis <edward.lewis@icann.org> wrote:<= br>
Is ARCING a formal wor= king group?=C2=A0 I don't see it listed on
https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/.

On 2/26/16, 11:49, "Arcing on behalf of "IETF Meeting Session Req= uest
Tool"" <arcing-boun= ces@ietf.org on behalf of
ses= sion_request_developers@ietf.org> wrote:

>---------------------------------------------------------
>Working Group Name: Alternative Resolution Contexts for Internet Naming=

Perhaps the same tool is used for WGs and BoFs, hence the use of &qu= ot;Working
Group" here.=C2=A0 On the other hand, maybe ARCING has been made a WG.= =C2=A0 Can't
tell.

This says it isn't chartered (found this using a web search engine, not=
from the IETF web site), state is BoF:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/arcing/charter/

If this is a BoF, what's the plan for an agenda?=C2=A0 I ask because I = have a
draft already but I also feel the need to document why this is a problem based on hallway conversations and observations about the state of play.
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--001a11c173144cc7a2052d28b680-- From nobody Mon Mar 7 09:19:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arcing@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: arcing@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D6A1CD5D5; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 09:19:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.41]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j-vRaVGk0kIY; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 09:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (pfe112-ca-2.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F8421CD5DA; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 09:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1130.7; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 08:43:41 -0800 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1130.005; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 08:43:41 -0800 From: Edward Lewis To: Ted Hardie Thread-Topic: [Arcing] arcing - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 95 Thread-Index: AQHRcNG/gerIqTBN0kC0zakX9nQarJ9ILiOAgABiJgCABeFXgA== Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 16:43:39 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160226194955.23064.53842.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.1.160122 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.47.234] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="B_3540195813_31615510" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "arcing@ietf.org" , "arcing-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Arcing] arcing - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 95 X-BeenThere: arcing@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: This list will discuss different architectural approaches to signalling alternative resolution contexts for Internet names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 17:19:10 -0000 --B_3540195813_31615510 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3540195813_31597920" --B_3540195813_31597920 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm not sure I have another draft in me (yet) but there is plenty to talk about. As for my existing draft, I'm willing to speak to it. (Sorry for being slow to respond, just cycling through topics.) On 3/3/16, 12:55, "Ted Hardie" wrote: > Hi Ed, > > It was approved as a nonw-WG forming BoF, based on the agenda proposed in the > wiki https://tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki. If there's a new draft you'd like > discussed, please let the list know; I had already planned to ask you to > discuss your history draft, so consider this your friendly ping on that point. > > best, > > Ted > > > > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Edward Lewis wrote: >> Is ARCING a formal working group? I don't see it listed on >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/. >> >> On 2/26/16, 11:49, "Arcing on behalf of "IETF Meeting Session Request >> Tool"" > session_request_developers@ietf.org> wrote: >> >>> >--------------------------------------------------------- >>> >Working Group Name: Alternative Resolution Contexts for Internet Naming >> >> Perhaps the same tool is used for WGs and BoFs, hence the use of "Working >> Group" here. On the other hand, maybe ARCING has been made a WG. Can't >> tell. >> >> This says it isn't chartered (found this using a web search engine, not >> from the IETF web site), state is BoF: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/arcing/charter/ >> >> >> If this is a BoF, what's the plan for an agenda? I ask because I have a >> draft already but I also feel the need to document why this is a problem >> based on hallway conversations and observations about the state of play. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Arcing mailing list >> Arcing@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/arcing >> > --B_3540195813_31597920 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not sure I have another d= raft in me (yet) but there is plenty to talk about.

As for my existing draft, I'm willing to speak to it.  (Sorry for bein= g slow to respond, just cycling through topics.)

On 3/3/16, 12:55, "Ted Hardie" <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div>
Hi Ed,

It was approved as a nonw-WG forming BoF, based on the agenda proposed in t= he wiki  https://tools.ietf.org/bof/t= rac/wiki.  If there's a new draft you'd like discussed, please let = the list know; I had already planned to ask you to discuss your history draf= t, so consider this your friendly ping on that point.

best,

Ted




On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Edward Lewis <edward.lewis@ic= ann.org> wrote:
https:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/wg/.

On 2/26/16, 11:49, "Arcing on behalf of "IETF Meeting Session Request
Tool"" <arcing-bounces@ietf.org= on behalf of
session_request_developers@ietf.org> wrote:

>---------------------------------------------------------
>Working Group Name: Alternative Resolution Contexts for Internet Naming=

Perhaps the same tool is used for WGs and BoFs, hence the use= of "Working
Group" here.  On the other hand, maybe ARCING has been made a WG. = ; Can't
tell.

This says it isn't chartered (found this using a web search engine, not
= from the IETF web site), state is BoF:

https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/wg/arcing/charter/


If this is a BoF, what's the plan for an agenda?  I ask because I have= a
draft already but I also feel the need to document why this is a problem based on hallway conversations and observations about the state of play.
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boundary=001a1139b43a03e301052d7d4b05 Archived-At: Subject: [Arcing] Some background reading X-BeenThere: arcing@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: This list will discuss different architectural approaches to signalling alternative resolution contexts for Internet names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:58:59 -0000 --001a1139b43a03e301052d7d4b05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Howdy, Here are some drafts that may be useful background reading for the discussion: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-trammell-inip-pins/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hardie-resolution-contexts/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lewis-domain-names/ I know Brian is planning on updating the pins document quite soon now, so you may want to look for an update (or read both versions!) regards, TEd --001a1139b43a03e301052d7d4b05 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 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regards,

T= Ed
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If it's frustration over > repeatedly making a point, I'll use this old reply of mine: It might > be the 10th time you've said "it" but this is the first time I've > heard "it." If there's something else, I'll just state that I haven't > been closely following the homenet wg in the past few years, nor the > dnssd wg for that matter, so perhaps there's a boatload of context > buried in mail archives. > >> Don't insist adoption of draft-cheshire-homenet-dot-home-02 must >> follow some grander scheme that might make use of an alternate root >> or URL modification. Any such approach doubtlessly precludes >> essential compatibilities needing consideration for Homenet >> deployment. > > Due to what I read as exasperation, I looked at previous messages on > the mail list and see you've mentioned this draft in each of your > posts. So, I looked it up and gave a quick scan. Dear Ed, A health related issue is why I indicated this would likely be my last comment. The concern relates to a necessity for having a clearly defined domain ensured isolated from global DNS in much the same manner as .local that unfortunately also signals use of multicast. A non-multicast option is needed to safely contain unicast DNS-SD resources as envisioned by Homenet. Although a more comprehensive signaling scheme might marginally overlap with the simpler .home domain signaling method, simplicity better supports resource limited devices. As such, adoption of .home in parallel with more generic signaling schemes aimed at offering a diversity of resolution methods would be prudent. Regards, Douglas Otis --------------020402060409040705040701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 2/19/16 6:43 PM, Edward Lewis wrote:
> On 2/20/16, 13:24, "Arcing on behalf of Douglas Otis" > <arcing-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of doug.mtview@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This is likely my last comment. > > Apparently something said touched a nerve.  If it's frustration over > repeatedly making a point, I'll use this old reply of mine: It might > be the 10th time you've said "it" but this is the first time I've > heard "it." If there's something else, I'll just state that I haven't > been closely following the homenet wg in the past few years, nor the > dnssd wg for that matter, so perhaps there's a boatload of context > buried in mail archives. > >> Don't insist adoption of draft-cheshire-homenet-dot-home-02 must >> follow some grander scheme that might make use of an alternate root >> or URL modification. Any such approach doubtlessly precludes >> essential compatibilities needing consideration for Homenet >> deployment. > > Due to what I read as exasperation, I looked at previous messages on > the mail list and see you've mentioned this draft in each of your > posts.  So, I looked it up and gave a quick scan.

Dear Ed,

A health related issue is why I indicated this would likely be my last comment.

The concern relates to a necessity for having a clearly defined domain ensured isolated from global DNS in much the same manner as .local that unfortunately also signals use of multicast.  A non-multicast option is needed to safely contain unicast DNS-SD resources as envisioned by Homenet.

Although a more comprehensive signaling scheme might marginally overlap with the simpler .home domain signaling method, simplicity better supports resource limited devices.  As such, adoption of  .home in parallel with more generic signaling schemes aimed at offering a diversity of resolution methods would be prudent.

Regards,
Douglas Otis
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One of the things to note is that this uses "domain name" in a way that is a bit broader than it might first appear; section 4, which discusses architectural issues is one place where this is described. regards, Ted Begin forwarded message: *From: *internet-drafts@ietf.org *Subject: **I-D Action: draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-01.txt* *Date: *March 8, 2016 at 8:59:25 AM EST *To: * *Reply-To: *internet-drafts@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Problem Statement for the Reservation of Top-Level Domains in the Special-Use Domain Names Registry Authors : Joe Abley Peter Koch Alain Durand Warren Filename : draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-01.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2016-03-08 Abstract: The dominant protocol for name resolution on the Internet is the Domain Name System (DNS). However, other protocols exist that are fundamentally different from the DNS, and may or may not share the same namespace. When an end-user triggers resolution of a name on a system which supports multiple, different protocols (or resolution mechanisms) for name resolution, it is desirable that the protocol used is unambiguous, and that requests intended for one protocol are not inadvertently answered using another. [RFC6761] introduced a framework by which, under certain circumstances, a particular domain name could be acknowledged as being special. This framework has been used twice to reserve top- level domains (.local and .onion) that should not be used within the DNS to avoid the possibility of namespace collisions in parallel use of non-DNS name resolution protocols. Various challenges have become apparent with this application of the guidance provided in [RFC6761]. This document aims to document those challenges in the form of a problem statement, to facilitate further discussion of potential solutions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt _______________________________________________ Inip mailing list Inip@iab.org https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/inip --089e013a1ee2f3eb17052da2723a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy,

This is being discussed= in DNSOP, but is obviously of interest here as well.=C2=A0 One of the thin= gs to note is that this uses "domain name" in a way that is a bit= broader than it might first appear; section 4, which discusses architectur= al issues is one place where this is described.

regards,
Ted
Begin forwa= rded message:

Subject: I-D Action: draft-adpkja-dnsop-s= pecial-names-problem-01.txt
Date: March 8, 2016 at 8:59:25 AM EST
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line I= nternet-Drafts directories.


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0Title =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= : Problem Statement for the Reservation of Top-Level Domains in the Special= -Use Domain Names Registry
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Au= thors =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0: Joe Abley
=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Pet= er Koch
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0Alain Durand
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Warren
Filename =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0: draft-adpkja= -dnsop-special-names-problem-01.txt
Pages =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= : 18
Date =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0: 2016-03-08

Abst= ract:
=C2=A0=C2=A0The dominant protocol for name resolution on the Inte= rnet is the
=C2=A0=C2=A0Domain Name System (DNS).=C2=A0 However, other = protocols exist that are
=C2=A0=C2=A0fundamentally different from the D= NS, and may or may not share the
=C2=A0=C2=A0same namespace.

= =C2=A0=C2=A0When an end-user triggers resolution of a name on a system whic= h
=C2=A0=C2=A0supports multiple, different protocols (or resolution mec= hanisms) for
=C2=A0=C2=A0name resolution, it is desirable that the prot= ocol used is
=C2=A0=C2=A0unambiguous, and that requests intended for on= e protocol are not
=C2=A0=C2=A0inadvertently answered using another.
=C2=A0=C2=A0[RFC6761] introduced a framework by which, under certain<= br> =C2=A0=C2=A0circumstances, a particular domain name could be acknowledg= ed as
=C2=A0=C2=A0being special.=C2=A0 This framework has been used twi= ce to reserve top-
=C2=A0=C2=A0level domains (.local and .onion) that s= hould not be used within the
=C2=A0=C2=A0DNS to avoid the possibility o= f namespace collisions in parallel use
=C2=A0=C2=A0of non-DNS name reso= lution protocols.

=C2=A0=C2=A0Various challenges have become appare= nt with this application of the
=C2=A0=C2=A0guidance provided in [RFC67= 61].=C2=A0 This document aims to document those
=C2=A0=C2=A0challenges = in the form of a problem statement, to facilitate further
=C2=A0=C2=A0d= iscussion of potential solutions.


The IETF datatracker status pa= ge for this draft is:
https://datatracker.= ietf.org/doc/draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem/

There'= ;s also a htmlized version available at:
http= s://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-01
=
A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-adpkja-dnsop-spe= cial-names-problem-01


Please note that it may take a couple = of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and di= ff are available at too= ls.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP= at:
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--089e013a1ee2f3eb17052da2723a-- From nobody Fri Mar 11 12:00:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arcing@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: arcing@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBF112DB3C for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 12:00:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IYw-yGaUs24R for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 12:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from trammell.ch (trammell.ch [5.148.172.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4066012DB21 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 12:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.27.103] (dynamic-94-247-222-033.catv.glattnet.ch [94.247.222.33]) by trammell.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E3BF1A0042 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 21:00:01 +0100 (CET) From: Brian Trammell X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EDBC8E46-63BA-438B-B3EE-EBF99E65A4F1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 21:00:00 +0100 References: <20160311163623.32594.6874.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: arcing@ietf.org Message-Id: <9F17CB84-215A-484C-A354-AE27B6488540@trammell.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: [Arcing] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-trammell-inip-pins-01.txt X-BeenThere: arcing@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: This list will discuss different architectural approaches to signalling alternative resolution contexts for Internet names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:00:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EDBC8E46-63BA-438B-B3EE-EBF99E65A4F1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, all, I've posted rev -01 of the Properties of an Ideal Naming Service (pins) = draft. On a quick scan of the list archive, I see Ted's already = mentioned this. A little background: This document was created as part = of an academic exercise to design a naming service, and I decided to = submit a draft on "what makes a naming service good" for discussion in = the Names and Identifiers program. Changes, one of which is relevant to ARCING, one less so: (1) Added discussion on the implicitness of context in which naming = assertions and queries exist, which is pretty much the arcing problem = (but also manifests in the DNS as issues with DNS-based geographic load = balancing and leaks of internally valid queries outside administrative = domain boundaries). No magic bullet, just wanted to capture what was = interesting and difficult about explicit inconsistency. (2) Added a new property "revocability of authority", which follows from = other properties but wasn't explicitly spelled out. Cheers, Brian > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-trammell-inip-pins-01.txt > Date: 11 Mar 2016 17:36:23 CET > To: "Brian Trammell" >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-trammell-inip-pins-01.txt > has been successfully submitted by Brian Trammell and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-trammell-inip-pins > Revision: 01 > Title: Properties of an Ideal Naming Service > Document date: 2016-03-11 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 12 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-trammell-inip-pins-01.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-trammell-inip-pins/ > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-trammell-inip-pins-01 > Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-trammell-inip-pins-01 >=20 > Abstract: > This document specifies a set of necessary functions and desirable > properties of an ideal system for resolving names to addresses and > associated information for establishing communication associations = in > the Internet. For each property, it briefly explains the rationale > behind it, and how the property is or could be met with the present > Domain Name System. It is intended to start a discussion within the > IAB's Names and Identifiers program about gaps between the present > reality of DNS and the naming service the Internet needs by = returning > to first principles. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 --Apple-Mail=_EDBC8E46-63BA-438B-B3EE-EBF99E65A4F1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJW4yPAAAoJEIoSt78L6kaj7ZIQALRVcj0BS8j9QBVTanJf8FNG pmGUmJiPVPuwl1Fnk3JHQaMaU1LWs24a49YQGCKCN/cini7Y50oOxCsWlmYvW78y hoOq6iQY86+/9eEoHBo88+fMAgnW1VUsZv+KYfMQzpklcf2hqLc6AufsixVf7man KPgquBC4S0UUkprzVBEHYvOj4B8WsSTAgusVpYEfuEgaf8nv87nOGBDB+SnonWlf p3IXrQbojJIZ+wRsW6nBCtsdmi0uVsnV0Z/W2B9OuJihpannzV5uUKUFJzwYzIjJ BEa7Q74YvXbgUk3J/aHh1ZSy/wX8Y4pS6Nc9WEukLHJ0SU2ZL6qyzn1kMR98G0H2 LBPuSfFCF4H7c10L824yJweUSm7s7bxPkKM+Y9to+0Y/vw8+oeLkyO6I4qxlAa8x IftYdQaNVrC3hM6x3FL80kW7aRMNm0+bfMx48TxCTNhP+LCt8aK0Ae9gHZr9l3pJ fPm2u53CSF0FRnbXzLZRW8QsVCcRPB2N93K+DKbKTNg065bTU1rbef5yqqi3jVPm WAG90FmJ4NhFjnWDw5U7fWRPKOjzAs3PkUBrt0ivlW2mZJVH6p/CbPU9SVaz0lh+ JsMRg/g6U/v7Jz+QxayiXbDEsxzGc6N5e+0YWRPrk7uCKTopaPpLps/0y/Vg57aG lgGMYrjo2kF3H65c+dnP =/F/q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_EDBC8E46-63BA-438B-B3EE-EBF99E65A4F1-- From nobody Fri Mar 11 15:26:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arcing@ietf.org Delivered-To: arcing@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB6712DD98; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:05:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.16.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160311230523.15028.48050.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:05:23 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:26:51 -0800 Cc: brian@innovationslab.net, arcing@ietf.org Subject: [Arcing] arcing - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 95 X-BeenThere: arcing@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: This list will discuss different architectural approaches to signalling alternative resolution contexts for Internet names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 23:05:23 -0000 Dear Stephanie McCammon, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. arcing Session 1 (2:30:00) Tuesday, Morning Session I 1000-1230 Room Name: Atlantico C size: 225 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Alternative Resolution Contexts for Internet Naming Area Name: Internet Area Session Requester: Stephanie McCammon Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: intarea dprive dnsop saag rtcweb acme maprg stir tcpinc accord homenet dnssd dispatch ippm taps lurk Special Requests: ---------------------------------------------------------