From nobody Sat Aug 9 17:22:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AFD1A01F3 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2014 17:22:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z1-2T5DOPhPl for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2014 17:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x22f.google.com (mail-vc0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A9D01A000F for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2014 17:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ik5so10124931vcb.34 for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2014 17:22:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PJourGRAhHrIKn6c2tJr6HuIAPE4aWhM/IiepB4Ze1w=; b=VJ7iQ28IdV7G0wkr7NSSiM3uDVLbUTB4EpKQvdQ1AcKPWCbWEaDm+A7f2ajo2gVwu1 BYRYOV7ZTPDDqfwupE079wfgWE+nZH0RTpHfCbjzFHit7uXsVNb4BZicOQXJiJ1O4kgh 5HpkkjCrF1+tzKUkLr+J54Y6ch6KzecTNFXtkw4kkKG+CEIn1lxoR/c05KnlAAL11hHA GrCCJnk7hzygAUhbcjZPGNfEIeNVczwSNcFRlzmYteIX8GdMIXF2S7PJkVoImh/NqXPc 882MOeyNooBArQLeiO68Tr/fDkvnfOvVpgYklmA2IqhqMyiOwoOM4qlt601ws+l232Hv NM/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.42.135 with SMTP id ty7mr29071119vcb.14.1407630126571; Sat, 09 Aug 2014 17:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.12.132 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Aug 2014 17:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 20:22:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jeffrey Walton To: "dbound@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dbound/ev4BVqOoAhE3k2u-WncErkAtKgc Subject: [Dbound] Discussion on Websec X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: noloader@gmail.com List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 00:22:10 -0000 Not sure if anyone is watching, but this looks like its creeping into (or overlapping with) dbound territory: "[websec] cookie injection attack via superdomain of HSTS Host (was: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6797 (4075)", http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/websec/current/msg02144.html From nobody Fri Aug 22 02:53:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE121A0717 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:48:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.669 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.669 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HCw7wCa93zEf for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9178C1A06D6 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.254.105] ([80.92.114.129]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MDFB2-1X82uP1jps-00GXl4 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 20:47:57 +0200 Message-ID: <53F4ED85.1020009@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 20:48:37 +0200 From: Hannes Tschofenig User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dbound@ietf.org OpenPGP: id=4D776BC9 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wh1QSp4L3iTd2tjH1WbOrQ6AxiXcDCT6c" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ipm/OMzxiJmLQR6nN+lbiEvcxDvQp2dsXOYRpRP43pY8yByf19X fVKi3QdTMLQtMKi46DzSs+eOyklGKqrzk4iCt7T3u0HNExNMD5kvJI8eMkscGvK0hdhJ+Z6 RnLW6Vawi1tNfyJb8dmoG6nTpUPo0vDCjbhy6jkRVr3LTnUzb+tbm+euHiL3kzlB+DGd41K l6bt0R9+0ltmXo0g7MXdA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dbound/TeftpR9DqHuq9R0D_QhQswhT3yI X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 02:53:42 -0700 Subject: [Dbound] Status? X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:48:01 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --wh1QSp4L3iTd2tjH1WbOrQ6AxiXcDCT6c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In March a design team was created and I am wondering whether the attempt to make progress behind closed doors killed this effort. What's the status? Ciao Hannes --wh1QSp4L3iTd2tjH1WbOrQ6AxiXcDCT6c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJT9O2FAAoJEGhJURNOOiAtMqUH/ilOqkEgORWXG1xM2V0JfTPr fZSkM/t6qFxfZJ9bPZ7B3I9AyK1XpQXxN/88V3A0QdGosIWkuUSqzxkY1q6RZ7W4 tCRNZqwd6e1amyQwwIwGg5T2fMTSbI53pHpvKmiRcHSAIhA+x6l+gfLMvc1Ly3KU LOoqMxtzcBfeanNQXCj7JiAwA4qf8+Slc4JbNcBvcsProMbFdAg4Vs8s0gMx4bSs z7ujfW7VhD6bbGXflWzsmuGP6OuM5SoAueUkOocqj/HOsfcLS6ma/8Vrzs+USG+B d2bw0CNtqlHnp7Y6CdVZy5Um74SOuDTmprKYSx1LSJYf3w2Qyoqbi5MEnK6uPK0= =Za7X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wh1QSp4L3iTd2tjH1WbOrQ6AxiXcDCT6c-- From nobody Fri Aug 22 04:23:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3E71A00F9 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 04:23:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.568 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.568 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zcXFIh6gD9ll for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 04:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (pfe112-ca-1.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9F8D1A001D for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 04:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.847.32; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 04:23:24 -0700 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.0847.030; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 04:23:24 -0700 From: Edward Lewis To: Hannes Tschofenig Thread-Topic: [Dbound] Status? Thread-Index: AQHPve8FfuYYu/ZLKEa5IjVIJk3X4pvcrWSA Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:23:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: <53F4ED85.1020009@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <53F4ED85.1020009@gmx.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.3.140616 x-originating-ip: [68.98.142.232] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="B_3491537003_7553020" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dbound/I-iEUBs2WmhWygRgySGWwrsdyGs Cc: "dbound@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Dbound] Status? X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:23:29 -0000 --B_3491537003_7553020 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The design team had some sporadic exchanges and then a conference call in June. At IETF 90 (July) there was an off-site bar BoF held with about 15 people present. The bar BoF was more than the design team. My estimation is that there isn=E2=80=99t a consensus on what needs to be solved. I stress the word consensus because there are various issues that deserve to be addressed. There is some feeling that the issues can be combined together, there are other feelings that =E2=80=9Cthis is not clear.=E2=80=9D It=E2=80=99s no= t a matter so much of debate but that =E2=80=9Cit hasn=E2=80=99t come together.=E2=80=9D One of the themes is whether or how much of this is going to be an improvement (as in scalability) of what the Public Suffix List provides today. That theme though is more of a =E2=80=9Conce we know what we want to solve, how do we do it=E2=80=9D than a unifying theme for the various issues. Another point (I won=E2=80=99t even make this a theme) was that a solution (again with the solution and not the problem) could boil to =E2=80=9Care A and B equivalent with respect to C=E2=80=9D, where A and B are identifiers - domains or domain names, and C is some relationship probably related to a security =E2=80=9Cquestion=E2=80=9D. Equivalence is not meant to be =E2=80=9Cthe same=E2=80=9D but =E2=80=9Ctreat= ed the same=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cseen the same as.=E2=80=9D The usefulness of this observation thou= gh hinges on what needs to be solved. In the past day or so, DBound crossed my mind and I think (sometimes I elect not to send messages at the last moment) I asked what has come from the bar BoF. There were notes recorded, come to think of it, I don=E2=80=99t kno= w if they made it to the list. Hopefully this message will seed some threads on what needs to be solved=E2=80=A6there were others in the bar BoF that seemed closer to an epiphany than me. -----Original Message----- From: Hannes Tschofenig Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 at 14:48 To: "dbound@ietf.org" Subject: [Dbound] Status? In March a design team was created and I am wondering whether the attempt to make progress behind closed doors killed this effort. What's the status? 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X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:07:15 -0000 --047d7bd76894903cbe05013782ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Hannes Tschofenig < hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net> wrote: > In March a design team was created and I am wondering whether the > attempt to make progress behind closed doors killed this effort. > > What's the status? > > I wasn't part of the design team, but I participated in the bar BoF in Toronto, which Ed referred to. The notes are posted here: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dbound/current/msg00077.html As Ed alluded to, the big issue we came up with at the bar BoF was that the problem statement(s) needed to be defined. Four individuals volunteered contribute to this effort, noted at the tail end of the notes. I am one of those individuals. I've had my hands full since the IETF but had plans to begin using the notes to outline something in the next week or so to bring to the others. Cheers, Casey --047d7bd76894903cbe05013782ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Hannes Tschofenig <hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net> wrote:
In March a design team wa= s created and I am wondering whether the
attempt to make progress behind closed doors killed this effort.

What's the status?


I wasn't part of the design team, = but I participated in the bar BoF in Toronto, which Ed referred to.=C2=A0 T= he notes are posted here:

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/db= ound/current/msg00077.html

As Ed alluded to, the big issue we came up with at the bar B= oF was that the problem statement(s) needed to be defined.=C2=A0 Four indiv= iduals volunteered contribute to this effort, noted at the tail end of the = notes.=C2=A0 I am one of those individuals.=C2=A0 I've had my hands ful= l since the IETF but had plans to begin using the notes to outline somethin= g in the next week or so to bring to the others.

Cheers,
Casey
--047d7bd76894903cbe05013782ff-- From nobody Fri Aug 22 20:52:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA991A03B1 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 20:52:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.762 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.762 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JImz-pXrBq63 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 20:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17F601A0149 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 20:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8018 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2014 03:52:29 -0000 Received: from miucha.iecc.com (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2014 03:52:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=61af.53f80ff8.k1408; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=IRYsQbjA2lHCdA3dQgXTNxEDYrDS3l6IGeEtZc3Ib6c=; b=Gat4qhbXSYeuKk+0pt1H4Z63K+KRHdAldRn1br88bJOXyZmKxaGp2wipOKQRB3OboI7A/NUQGFwWE2+keg/Xft4hnWRY9Ngy+4qmyQfQ8FDxfpgeonygV3u0kGbKa79w8PIR07b+UqO49RR9eBy+e0A2UxT39W6A+ymv8/Osv2ol+QgD72/Qa1ZKe8nKHuVLBUDrbKrXRTSIAfY5v0c9CbFoWVjCSj3VKMF+Rp3Cr2w2Zwi+h7N6p5ezYHkT8vGb DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=61af.53f80ff8.k1408; olt=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=IRYsQbjA2lHCdA3dQgXTNxEDYrDS3l6IGeEtZc3Ib6c=; b=MLLcGVLVjnXyJ8AKiZimGuOctxPkxFgiQzu85+e02w+pOsH2Qyiijgz+Q3T+htFEjP7DKGKcUo4VW3wBAupOxKjPTptUOQ2UU6QxDdyZP3JX+MJX7AeXGr2O+4dodVjLeZML9MMjhkxcFT5KqBAq89y82ButylujSP/odv0oWGzJPQ8DFljbwDJDDG3RZqdpzJ+X5/pLe4Dne9mxuqWf0jUAVfI7hNKBjpRh+xRiyDkpKEWyZGIVcJZtxSBRoyNG Date: 23 Aug 2014 03:52:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20140823035200.25006.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: dbound@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dbound/5c_NQAHEhejPjVATNgLoswZ2mS8 Cc: casey@deccio.net Subject: Re: [Dbound] Status? X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 03:52:33 -0000 >As Ed alluded to, the big issue we came up with at the bar BoF was that the >problem statement(s) needed to be defined. Four individuals volunteered >contribute to this effort, noted at the tail end of the notes. I am one of >those individuals. I've had my hands full since the IETF but had plans to >begin using the notes to outline something in the next week or so to bring >to the others. I'm one of the four people and I'm on the design team, and I'm as swamped as Casey. To expand on what Ed said, our issues are mostly not technical. We have a bunch of rather different problems that currently use the Public Suffix List as a better-than-nothing solution. Different problems lead to different technical approaches, many of which people have outlined. The problems are different enough that I doubt we can come up with a single technical proposal that is better than PSL for all or even most of them. Beyond that we have some purely policy questions, notably whether the PSL-like info is published directly by the affected domains, by some entity related to them in a technical way, e.g. the TLD for lower level domains, or by a third party as the PSL is. There's nothing technical about these questions; they're entirely about who has the authority to speak for whom. R's, John From nobody Fri Aug 22 21:11:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4D21A8026 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:11:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t-Vnjs3MT5w2 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x236.google.com (mail-vc0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2CCB1A6FF5 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id hy4so13465023vcb.27 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:11:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7IZWPw+sgWOKB8W29oMTqhLl83fcTt73iuIYr5r6ttw=; b=Rvm/cTOP2FdVmoMkxL6I7IMwoRpYX1+Q2K9noZDZNS/+p8hEnuc8u0wJI7tQG8yB3J aO6V0+ue1IUyPI5v537Tjtk44PXFFwxE2ix7nVoMeX7ib69/oTLxKs3H+UCIEFyQfgJm 9pzJr3aaFG46kiqS7ERrigclsE4Dy4vag4NhACTd50G9ckA7WR6mT59odZj+GsJrxhjg GazvepY6HJdgSYwlbJhFFF8HMGgkdMUEySJ3ynovVP0US2FMGAGaRyjc4KXbOv459P9r GibxTGtvTnaZLo5Q1DxLqh4XawjPYXOlIEuM8K0F+EWVs/HjDWddppokjSUgYygfmvXQ X+vw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.1.39 with SMTP id 7mr3608004vdj.17.1408767114843; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.12.132 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:11:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140823035200.25006.qmail@joyce.lan> References: <20140823035200.25006.qmail@joyce.lan> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 00:11:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jeffrey Walton To: John Levine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dbound/PJmOLz0kIBiuQUN0zW2j1hu99Hk Cc: "dbound@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Dbound] Status? X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: noloader@gmail.com List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 04:11:57 -0000 On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:52 PM, John Levine wrote: >>As Ed alluded to, the big issue we came up with at the bar BoF was that the >>problem statement(s) needed to be defined. Four individuals volunteered >>contribute to this effort, noted at the tail end of the notes. I am one of >>those individuals. I've had my hands full since the IETF but had plans to >>begin using the notes to outline something in the next week or so to bring >>to the others. > > I'm one of the four people and I'm on the design team, and I'm as > swamped as Casey. > > To expand on what Ed said, our issues are mostly not technical. We > have a bunch of rather different problems that currently use the > Public Suffix List as a better-than-nothing solution. Different > problems lead to different technical approaches, many of which people > have outlined. The problems are different enough that I doubt we can > come up with a single technical proposal that is better than PSL for > all or even most of them. > > Beyond that we have some purely policy questions, notably whether the > PSL-like info is published directly by the affected domains, by some > entity related to them in a technical way, e.g. the TLD for lower > level domains, or by a third party as the PSL is. There's nothing > technical about these questions; they're entirely about who has the > authority to speak for whom. > Would it be possible to offer a few use cases? It might help with sorting out the different problems (and make sure the different problems are properly represented). If a problem does not have a use case, then it might not really be a problem ;) For example, suppose someone would like to quickly test a URI or FQDN before consulting a more authoritative reference. The quick test can be thought of as a "preflight" test, before a network query is engaged. Jeff From nobody Fri Aug 22 21:53:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1ED1A86E6 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:53:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mx3j5f-_5GyE for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDB921A0149 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29738 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2014 04:53:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=7429.53f81e2c.k1408; bh=vIAm47l/yzUHMnEZ+K7EWNHoFQDCPUZhoJZI4fOFKLw=; b=PQDB3iv1ticvUM3VQVnhhmJ0PB0jMBOcn4t9+bUIEwqVF/6q/QHAmRH7YIU2EQL3DR3+CB3j5kZ9DKlOF8kS1XBfpkZ+pMoAwtLokwuN6GyJdZyIS1f5tGl4dli86aUzcJX1V4OdR54SoO37fh063wSjJwITZ5D0PCTnhZ6U2br14MhsiHqiNl6pdqTwtHl/+gAsD9L1/443OyW220YWkYlfSIvxau06SNEwArybcSBrCT276VnC53Y0Bp2g+ggN DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=7429.53f81e2c.k1408; bh=vIAm47l/yzUHMnEZ+K7EWNHoFQDCPUZhoJZI4fOFKLw=; b=FCt+OewSbIOMjzal2P7SP8Joa6AkQSraS26KcfC1OxXwDjvn3sDx1qdeFdMpv1eInlcoowh564T0BqvJJu9R9Jaf6ni2W9Newn0t3SwQ9ne+aD1Z2xmGrFnNABVUs4LEdXTHR8S/vPuB4yZjFZXj9O2Vg9DtEt3Yw6Bc1nHd/jzs2ktl+VaacQrbqCmZuL8X35bLHQGHK5Jk1Q5FfniQd/5MHNH+UhzuTpXA4HZOxP5HoSmlSg2JY/jGbp5m1lep Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.0/X.509/SHA1) via TCP6; 23 Aug 2014 04:53:00 -0000 Date: 23 Aug 2014 00:52:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Jeffrey Walton" In-Reply-To: References: <20140823035200.25006.qmail@joyce.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dbound/opuUYTrDTL0YfQ3dxwh4r3ipgbY Cc: "dbound@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Dbound] Status? X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 04:53:04 -0000 > Would it be possible to offer a few use cases? It might help with > sorting out the different problems (and make sure the different > problems are properly represented). If a problem does not have a use > case, then it might not really be a problem ;) We have plenty of use cases, and most of the problems are from existing applications. There's a list of 11 of them in Casey's notes that Andrew sent out at the end of July. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail.