From nobody Mon Feb 1 21:56:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietf.org Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E24C1A8787; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 21:55:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160202055538.24060.52573.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 21:55:38 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [dispatch] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 05:55:38 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dispatch/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Given this, "Options for handling new work include: "- By agreement with ART ADs, processing simple documents." and this: "The DISPATCH WG will not do any protocol work. Specifically, DISPATCH will always opt to find a location for technical work; the only work that DISPATCH is not required to delegate (or defer, or reject) is administrative work such as IANA actions." If these are describing the same thing, I'd suggest replacing "simple" with "administrative", which I'm reading as more restrictive. Having "simple" being undefined in this context seems vulnerable to mischief ("of course, my document is simple, so it's within charter, right?"). If they aren't describing the same thing, I'd suggest defining "simple". From nobody Wed Feb 3 13:51:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666EB1B2D6A; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 13:51:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G-usGmdMWZNu; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 13:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F31D1B2F83; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 13:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u13LowBo062399 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Feb 2016 15:50:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4] claimed to be [10.0.1.10] From: "Ben Campbell" To: "Spencer Dawkins" Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 15:50:58 -0600 Message-ID: <6C95A03F-C159-4252-BC57-301D2103D511@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <20160202055538.24060.52573.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20160202055538.24060.52573.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5213) Archived-At: Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, The IESG , dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dispatch] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 21:51:02 -0000 On 1 Feb 2016, at 23:55, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > > Given this, > > "Options for handling new work include: > > "- By agreement with ART ADs, processing simple documents." > > and this: > > "The DISPATCH WG will not do any > protocol work. Specifically, DISPATCH will always opt to find a > location > for technical work; the only work that DISPATCH is not required to > delegate (or defer, or reject) is administrative work such as IANA > actions." > > If these are describing the same thing, I believe they are describing the same thing. (Although "simple" may be somewhat tainted by SIMPLE. :-) ) > I'd suggest replacing "simple" > with "administrative", which I'm reading as more restrictive. Having > "simple" being undefined in this context seems vulnerable to mischief > ("of course, my document is simple, so it's within charter, right?"). > Such mischief would require AD agreement by the current wording :-) But, how about "simple administrative documents"? > If they aren't describing the same thing, I'd suggest defining > "simple". Thanks! Ben. From nobody Wed Feb 3 14:02:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B34C1B3599; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 14:02:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.278 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.278 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1fyY-xEyAudp; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 14:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ig0-x22a.google.com (mail-ig0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AAD11B2DBE; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 14:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ig0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id 5so47447705igt.0; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:02:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=OqZ+xETHoN12GR4TsYO1fOJE4OSDsuUbnKD8PHNX6gc=; b=Dp5M/AAkIGfk+GWak/1pwIAMI035icQBwHzmyLSXTH9cYuXj4Ibib0RWkeu2XF2CSu WR458nrv4gyUTK5L/eCVAPShLq6kTmZbrNxGm5OSvvySvgfAyfrxEMbdY8UbUnpSklvB IH9kKqi3y5ILH2o1esYA7z6TZcrXcXVNpaN1yEUS1W9eKTs5heoER1JW0PKnyPXj++pF BSuKs99NaA+ycpbo3pt4mdr5O9uiH1ImWGRs7gV8FY4BGc3ZGkABrDkvGTsFnKklVpW5 GLc6U5+pRFBH7Xd9r1UVKiCOjomtmrK11YqutvVw5O8/wGYOyApBFmA0GSalEQ4RH4rs 79Ig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=OqZ+xETHoN12GR4TsYO1fOJE4OSDsuUbnKD8PHNX6gc=; b=jfx8FuBpEdXlq6KrvpZpTwkB2Cc1S+DBzkgvq8hBzZjM7njuaEf75Ko3D2ZVVHD2Zu 4+VI4xqKKPCyQfM4WdN0QxKSDJKxzOivxGrCPeASjv39Z6UqurUHb/AfvyKsqbblodMm p2uSpCFa4wlCqz9uncx7rqy7Y2I+kQD+SEuvkH29Q0Wsnk6tMxOZ+dA9dRIl8UxuhNM/ y0jdW5OXDcB/XbSui95hbK7IzSppXt8DcNhwxzagoc4NDYWsfqF71Oc0HGqy18q+Fgdv bXu/l59hfOXoQq/MXoWE4IdBCaSqEiKGVk0btPuspYSCZzhsKvTgaSQ4Wmddrs4qWtc8 O4/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTh4PJi0cDy4vsjqqUs8nEZKS3WNcHIgs3+UCxrk1T37t2v4Z1qHmBPxzrukVk6IpmHv3aYNJCAz9qHmQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.138.72 with SMTP id qo8mr5887155igb.81.1454536935709; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:02:15 -0800 (PST) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.36.155.198 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 14:02:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6C95A03F-C159-4252-BC57-301D2103D511@nostrum.com> References: <20160202055538.24060.52573.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <6C95A03F-C159-4252-BC57-301D2103D511@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:02:15 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Juvr6Gvmzsq9-hUma4kVwWBNhnY Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Ben Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, dispatch-chairs@ietf.org, The IESG Subject: Re: [dispatch] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 22:02:17 -0000 >> I'd suggest replacing "simple" >> with "administrative", which I'm reading as more restrictive. Having >> "simple" being undefined in this context seems vulnerable to mischief >> ("of course, my document is simple, so it's within charter, right?"). > > Such mischief would require AD agreement by the current wording :-) But, how > about "simple administrative documents"? Yes, I prefer keeping "simple" and adding "administrative". Not *all* administrative documents will qualify. I also prefer, with this change, to leave "simple" vague. See Potter Stewart. Barry From nobody Wed Feb 3 22:36:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC291A92B1; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 22:36:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2S9zP9cixE_4; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 22:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-x234.google.com (mail-yw0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57A771A92B0; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 22:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yw0-x234.google.com with SMTP id h129so20684132ywb.1; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 22:36:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=w30D3F/GZh6c9sZv/UydrjgzftKq3kZUtshtCi9DXio=; b=OVIhC2EnIyhaBULkj5ecip0shOl+rsLxY4jipYDV/Pul6y9nmauZSqL1ZVDGul0lNe fXJg/8+dW+WwPLM4DcLeFcW9ROqBlf6CF8hV9GCUb4IMYgLZubOIxn8KK9S6Mf7TPvFx fvYJwJwgCFianCOaEVWQxdA9sdWO0zsNLH7G1Bd1gZ3cbD1/IyxBplaGbTgY+uSlXBrw MOWTlWgqEbVxJYEgqGJvAz4zgLDOVEzS4SwDOf+SUQ69ugyEcmYxAojk4CHYAxGDpDak AfSwCU4iL+9xvwytUcjNFSYRm3T+Hcfw+wZkx5X16hIiVXOk6D6csZwx0lAEdUNaXkfO NlVA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=w30D3F/GZh6c9sZv/UydrjgzftKq3kZUtshtCi9DXio=; b=bXZFgt0pj6bXeMXsYLjCd3ATDgOtd56qveIK3ZbbuBoalwbNFXnGcEBDMmZLwbWGDp JTN/u3DzcrzcZLV+t3vgYyPEdFbb47Q9orb7OR2+Pzfi1KM29vSrW3hZ6F331OR3/q8i kBmmYCjNxEzuVUOPw9xcvaD76OGGNEaT120gHwBPMxhi9MLbfgsWsNAq0MHws3Sltg34 Cfv1hew/YcyI+FyV0D+JCCLahylpmHCLq1Ic4H0J5n6YJ/yiZ1OnL8k0pX+WqzNZ47X+ fyCMDWX6+FBw1yN0MqWtN2Kwp99MOhMmge8ZlB/gX2yj24PY9JJ2cZA1ZMk0+pHoKfMM TkIA== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTew7XSNyaRRIzGYEnzMKnPeMyYEjbW4q21Tbqj2XB/nISCkL9WdHeFMDICS4O49vkawh+HaHNbCFcQTQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.13.210.7 with SMTP id u7mr2877985ywd.100.1454567809606; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 22:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.99.65 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 22:36:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20160202055538.24060.52573.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <6C95A03F-C159-4252-BC57-301D2103D511@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 00:36:49 -0600 Message-ID: From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF To: Barry Leiba Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114e7e7897ee4b052aebf502 Archived-At: Cc: Ben Campbell , DISPATCH , The IESG , dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dispatch] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 06:36:51 -0000 --001a114e7e7897ee4b052aebf502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: > >> I'd suggest replacing "simple" > >> with "administrative", which I'm reading as more restrictive. Having > >> "simple" being undefined in this context seems vulnerable to mischief > >> ("of course, my document is simple, so it's within charter, right?"). > > > > Such mischief would require AD agreement by the current wording :-) But, > how > > about "simple administrative documents"? > > Yes, I prefer keeping "simple" and adding "administrative". Not *all* > administrative documents will qualify. > > I also prefer, with this change, to leave "simple" vague. See Potter > Stewart. This all works for me, and thank you. Spencer --001a114e7e7897ee4b052aebf502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.o= rg> wrote:
>> I'd suggest replacing "simple"
>> with "administrative", which I'm reading as more res= trictive. Having
>> "simple" being undefined in this context seems vulnerabl= e to mischief
>> ("of course, my document is simple, so it's within charte= r, right?").
>
> Such mischief would require AD agreement by the current wording :-) Bu= t, how
> about "simple administrative documents"?

Yes, I prefer keeping "simple" and adding "administra= tive".=C2=A0 Not *all*
administrative documents will qualify.

I also prefer, with this change, to leave "simple" vague.=C2=A0 S= ee Potter Stewart.

This all works for me, a= nd thank you.

Spencer=C2=A0
--001a114e7e7897ee4b052aebf502-- From nobody Thu Feb 4 01:45:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102B71A6EE2 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 01:45:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KY7U4s_W3yg9 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 01:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf0-x232.google.com (mail-pf0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85B111A6EE0 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 01:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf0-x232.google.com with SMTP id o185so39613272pfb.1 for ; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 01:45:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date :to:mime-version; bh=i5WiTE0ubcN8jTertQ0XvI/EJmUXEozTEjUjdPw5OQ4=; b=pZnMDgO+MtysQvAakjGIg9/PcBdxnHRwg4AUGFtRHxA6EeLds63yAsKDCaq1IWoLzI MguvgQnbAQXcBdtlUjnf/F8LhCLK467zXbtm/s5IJ413q/HlZ288obc+KKr3WNcYUuwy 7gwh/KefNF9zvvMY1YyjZpzNaJciUNnMO0Ul6EO0tUbiyhsZDGkrQ8khQI8pnlm+S5KQ k2UaZq4lyVz/srQstYQGdGkGeAKkvzdHEPyvB5O4/KgWjpqibbnZIZHwOEkDmwsGnSvj 9hz/Eh85AAZRqic/JlZs3UPmT0NRTbbd93uAQmPeuwu05g295QfMRjo08kGup26XvVAN 3tzA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=i5WiTE0ubcN8jTertQ0XvI/EJmUXEozTEjUjdPw5OQ4=; b=B5sLKTOVKEsthLlrZQNmoba8gIpRvwAW0jsAOWTGaIDsj6fEB/khrP9KvjRWspThgX bAWuxA/1aw3A+h67YfjXjBlBN15uHwkVPe6V8s0SBmbwYH9kYGlV20v05kZSLVa758na 8RVJvEwneXvrPc1Sx1PFuS0fa73VmBxY5YATp+8qvTRz0QvXqgggpPQzfRVMAzXAUloD DzkeWyZwl9Id5WJSgCg1ZBheY1/7mIl3Jv/ZFpZG+tehRWPPT/4hS683yJdgCsU9MALa +Bs0x7rhP7Zb6Ug1v1eIplzaQVX+G/Mcf2+OTT+VcCFoOoRveMGBH7nEVZNZjSSSbfef ZwRw== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOR7ufQT9KMoNqSYDfo41h5+dG3rf9JT4KGKOU/tG6FmFzJ5mduJq/+keoNZSaiBhA== X-Received: by 10.98.14.69 with SMTP id w66mr9613798pfi.144.1454579111206; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 01:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([1.144.0.29]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id tp3sm15712286pac.16.2016.02.04.01.45.09 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 04 Feb 2016 01:45:10 -0800 (PST) From: James Winterbottom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 20:45:06 +1100 To: DISPATCH list Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] draft-winterbottom-dispatch-locparam-01 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 09:45:14 -0000 Hi All, I was asked to make some updates to this document so that it could be = dispatched. I made, what I think were the requested updates back in December and = posted to the list but I haven=E2=80=99t heard anything back. ETSI needs this work as part of their M/493 stage-3 document so if there = are further comments could they please be posted, otherwise can we = please call for it to be dispatched somewhere? Cheers James From nobody Thu Feb 4 01:59:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietf.org Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE531A6EF4; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 01:59:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Benoit Claise" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160204095936.4820.82987.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 01:59:36 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [dispatch] Benoit Claise's No Record on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 09:59:36 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: No Record When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dispatch/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (*) Disclaimer: I've not been following RAI/ART work in the IETF and I don't know whether the DISPATCH process has been efficient or not. So I'll mainly make observations. I understand Harald's point, https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/-kiAbvZDTCLets4szoXmaCIgrs4, When I read the charter, it's like an extra procedure, specific to ART. For example, if I want a BoF, I must first go to DISPATCH to get their approval? Same thing for AD-sponsored document? The Dispatch working group is chartered to consider proposals for new work in the ART area and identify, or help create, an appropriate venue for the work. Btw, no change here: this sentence is basically unchanged compared to the previous charter. In the past, I was told that DISPATCH was similar to the OPSAWG WG. Let me observe it's not. "The DISPATCH WG will not do any protocol work", while OPSAWG might. >From the OPSAWG charter: The Operations and Management Area receives occasional proposals for the development and publication of RFCs dealing with operational and management topics that are not in scope of an existing working group and do not justify the formation of a new working group. The OPSAWG will serve as the forum for developing such work items in the IETF. Obviously, redirecting work to existing WGs is also an OPSAWG task. And when the work is substantial, a new WG can even be created. Ex: EMAN in the past I prefer the OPSAWG approach (*). From nobody Thu Feb 4 02:37:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B171E1A6F81; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 02:37:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sx60GSAeEZmm; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 02:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yk0-x232.google.com (mail-yk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 175BF1A6F80; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 02:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yk0-x232.google.com with SMTP id z13so38986056ykd.0; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 02:37:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pVitNin79V2X6uE+PPX5DQgjOFDYAJ5bcBwbOi8M2xw=; b=D/puwJKKx87jw/oHsy6vx3tv27RBnoGjlso04hJgLmPsnDUJ9UUu5asbiQtkPLC0nI O8vQjCu5zK/8cOgrOfZAhh3JV0OifAGwzSeMoNd0xegrePwOEQarKTTEw03P1A25Wryv 6CCayugzS7mTfjO4zJKOuXMBeHgpqOq+7QhlOCvLpwQyGV2WsEoshgQst0Sl3/iuP7v3 +zSL2aBGd/5eWWhHQNqQmkR6W/iGY2uF+JQBaRum6Ej4BydMvNV6SQyuBmPJxAZCiLkQ pIVwUJOYCA9xj2X4sO3jGhxndFndmIfHObSggkFUip2gLfcz2MpDyzpA9geQqEzCqcoN aNRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=pVitNin79V2X6uE+PPX5DQgjOFDYAJ5bcBwbOi8M2xw=; b=GseiNNGPygj5HskSPem5ewvVo/zrTlRMiOIpICTmPZ6LvdyKaCgiH/foOJOrInQwLz DrgGwfpBJ3QL5AZTBbMvJb+YIWuxpxKeu4xUPNUF1dm6loqc8bHHOT9NgXqQb4z9yKb0 ijqHv30n8UtW13t2oDAKCjxNFE2GPRIHiEtIJ0+ABSsa/UjdoaPu//S7w5bDFxtXjkna kqTb1MaqLduBGWEpK0UbD/aRygrklYN9kqezUGhHjrbXPbEteZkCbUVxeFcJzYzZp6lx Om/wu1dbvjrkN0kpoIaV/pic7fHUClWIpI9QB4hHW35QlJ166TSKocggRhtBG8PVKzue w9Ug== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQY5HDJI0K7kJyXFxm+seDmKWGqTPBKrmEYjFiGtBP/zJkY5V7lLtmZwes3Ox+aoiz/OjtGTzqiZXHfPA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.37.231.4 with SMTP id e4mr3377323ybh.143.1454582251354; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 02:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.110.196 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 02:37:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20160204095936.4820.82987.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20160204095936.4820.82987.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 04:37:31 -0600 Message-ID: From: Mary Barnes To: Benoit Claise Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0b4eae6386f3052aef52e8 Archived-At: Cc: DISPATCH , The IESG , dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dispatch] Benoit Claise's No Record on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 10:37:34 -0000 --94eb2c0b4eae6386f3052aef52e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 A few comments below [MB]. Mary. On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:59 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for > charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: No Record > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dispatch/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > (*) Disclaimer: I've not been following RAI/ART work in the IETF and I > don't know whether the DISPATCH process has been efficient or not. So > I'll mainly make observations. > [MB] You can see the history of all the work we have dispatched since the WG was chartered: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dispatch/trac/wiki/WikiStart I can understand that folks that weren't involved in RAI prior to the DISPATCH model might not understand the impact it has had on the area, but previously we had the SIPPING WG that handled all the work that didn't fit within existing WGs and it was chaotic and highly inefficient. [/MB] [/MB] > > I understand Harald's point, > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/-kiAbvZDTCLets4szoXmaCIgrs4, > [MB] You might want to read Alissa's response to that email as those comments really aren't directly related to the process but rather the protocols that were developed in the TSV and RAI area. DISPATCH wasn't intended to fix the protocols but rather to define a process and procedures for changing the protocols and defining new protocols. [/MB] > When I read the charter, it's like an extra procedure, specific to ART. > For example, if I want a BoF, I must first go to DISPATCH to get their > approval? Same thing for AD-sponsored document? > [MB] No, it is not required that you go through DISPATCH for a Bof. If it's something for which it's clear that there would be wider interest than the regular ART community, the regular Bof process is followed. There's a number of examples of that including RTCWEB and NETVC. For AD sponsored, yes, it goes through DISPATCH. [/MB] > > The Dispatch working group is chartered to consider proposals for > new > work in the ART area and identify, or help create, an appropriate > venue > for the work. > > Btw, no change here: this sentence is basically unchanged compared to the > previous charter. > > In the past, I was told that DISPATCH was similar to the OPSAWG WG. > Let me observe it's not. "The DISPATCH WG will not do any protocol work", > while OPSAWG might. > [MB] I'm not sure who made that observation, but from what you've posted below since the objective of DISPATCH was to not have any deliverables, I don't see the similarity except at the highest level. [/MB] > >From the OPSAWG charter: > > The Operations and Management Area receives occasional proposals for > the development and publication of RFCs dealing with operational and > management topics that are not in scope of an existing working group > and do not justify the formation of a new working group. The OPSAWG > will serve as the forum for developing such work items in the IETF. > > Obviously, redirecting work to existing WGs is also an OPSAWG task. > And when the work is substantial, a new WG can even be created. Ex: EMAN > in the past > > I prefer the OPSAWG approach (*). > [MB] In one sense the RAI area had a WG similar to OPSAWG and that was the SIPPING WG and it was a disaster - there was way too much coming into the WG and work was very slow to complete. The model of chartering what we sometimes call mini-WGs has proven to be significantly superior. And, I will note that I chaired SIPPING and have chaired DISPATCH since it was chartered, so it wasn't how we managed the SIPPING WG, it was the fact that there was just too much disparate work that was of interest to subsets of individuals that made it quite chaotic. We also had a huge issue with WG shopping in the RAI area prior to DISPATCH WG chartering. We had one document that was discussed in 3 separate WGs at a single meeting. [/MB] --94eb2c0b4eae6386f3052aef52e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A few comments below [MB].=C2=A0

Mary.<= /div>

On Thu, Feb = 4, 2016 at 3:59 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:=
Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot positio= n for
charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: No Record

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)



The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
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COMMENT:
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(*)=C2=A0 Disclaimer: I've not been following RAI/ART work in the IETF = and I
don't know whether the DISPATCH process has been efficient or not. So I'll mainly make observations.
[MB] You can see th= e history of all the work we have dispatched since the WG was chartered:
https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dispatch/trac/wiki/WikiStart
I can understand that folks that weren't involved in RAI prior = to the DISPATCH model might not understand the impact it has had on the are= a, but previously we had the SIPPING WG that handled all the work that didn= 't fit within existing WGs and it was chaotic and highly inefficient. [= /MB]=C2=A0
[/MB]

I understand Harald's point,
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/a= rch/msg/ietf/-kiAbvZDTCLets4szoXmaCIgrs4,
[MB] You= might want to read Alissa's response to that email as those comments r= eally aren't directly related to the process but rather the protocols t= hat were developed in the TSV and RAI area.=C2=A0 DISPATCH wasn't inten= ded to fix the protocols but rather to define a process and procedures for = changing the protocols and defining new protocols.=C2=A0
[/MB]=C2= =A0
When I read the charter, it's like an extra procedure, specific to ART.=
For example, if I want a BoF, I must first go to DISPATCH to get their
approval? Same thing for AD-sponsored document?
[MB] N= o, it is not required that you go through DISPATCH for a Bof.=C2=A0 If it&#= 39;s something for which it's clear that there would be wider interest = than the regular ART community, the regular Bof process is followed.=C2=A0 = There's a number of examples of that including RTCWEB and NETVC.=C2=A0 = For AD sponsored, yes, it goes through DISPATCH. =C2=A0=C2=A0
[/M= B]

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The Dispatch working group is chartered to consider proposals= for
new
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 work in the ART area and identify, or help create, an appropr= iate
venue
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 for the work.

Btw, no change here: this sentence is basically unchanged compared to the previous charter.

In the past, I was told that DISPATCH was similar to the OPSAWG WG.
Let me observe it's not. "The DISPATCH WG will not do any protocol= work",
while OPSAWG might.
[MB] I'm not sure who made tha= t observation, but from what you've posted below since the objective of= DISPATCH was to not have any deliverables, I don't see the similarity = except at the highest level. [/MB]=C2=A0
>From the OPSAWG charter:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The Operations and Management Area receives occasional propos= als for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the development and publication of RFCs dealing with operatio= nal and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 management topics that are not in scope of an existing workin= g group
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and do not justify the formation of a new working group. The = OPSAWG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 will serve as the forum for developing such work items in the= IETF.

Obviously, redirecting work to existing WGs is also an OPSAWG task.
And when the work is substantial, a new WG can even be created. Ex: EMAN in the past

I prefer the OPSAWG approach (*).
[MB] In one sense th= e RAI area had a WG similar to OPSAWG and that was the SIPPING WG and it wa= s a disaster - there was way too much coming into the WG and work was very = slow to complete. The model of chartering what we sometimes call mini-WGs h= as proven to be significantly superior.=C2=A0 And, I will note that I chair= ed SIPPING and have chaired DISPATCH since it was chartered, so it wasn'= ;t how we managed the SIPPING WG, it was the fact that there was just too m= uch disparate work that was of interest to subsets of individuals that made= it quite chaotic. We also had a huge issue with WG shopping in the RAI are= a prior to DISPATCH WG chartering.=C2=A0 We had one document that was discu= ssed in 3 separate WGs at a single meeting. [/MB]=C2=A0

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Same thing for AD-sponsored document? > > [MB] No, it is not required that you go through DISPATCH for a Bof. If it's > something for which it's clear that there would be wider interest than the > regular ART community, the regular Bof process is followed. And I don't see anything in the charter text that implies that BoF requests must go through DISPATCH. DISPATCH is there to help if it's needed/wanted. > [MB] In one sense the RAI area had a WG similar to OPSAWG and that was the > SIPPING WG and it was a disaster - there was way too much coming into the WG > and work was very slow to complete. The model of chartering what we > sometimes call mini-WGs has proven to be significantly superior. And, I > will note that I chaired SIPPING and have chaired DISPATCH since it was > chartered, so it wasn't how we managed the SIPPING WG, it was the fact that > there was just too much disparate work that was of interest to subsets of > individuals that made it quite chaotic. We also had a huge issue with WG > shopping in the RAI area prior to DISPATCH WG chartering. We had one > document that was discussed in 3 separate WGs at a single meeting. [/MB] APPSAWG has also been similar to OPSAWG, and it worked well for some documents... and failed badly for some others. It has turned out that having no clear structure for the work -- remember that there are a lot of disparate topics handled by the former APP and RAI areas, and now ART -- has meant that such a working group can have a lot of trouble getting meaningful review for arbitrary protocol documents, which often have a few proponents and lack broad interest. Because of that, we think it's better to let DISPATCH form a home for the work, and not try to manage the work directly. Barry From nobody Thu Feb 4 06:19:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietf.org Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2ED1B300D; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 06:19:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Stephen Farrell" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160204141918.18497.50701.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 06:19:18 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [dispatch] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 14:19:18 -0000 Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dispatch/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A friendly amendment, if you're up for accepting it: I think a change along these lines would better reflect what we hope folks will be doing: OLD: 5. Ensuring that the new work considers security and privacy. NEW: 5. Ensuring that the new work considers and aims to improve security and privacy. My reason is that while we definitely do want to consider security and privacy, I think we do have consensus to try to make those better whenever we can, and to never just say "yeah, we thought about it, but we're doing nothing." I think it may be better if we can say that the DISPATCH charter calls for improvement to handle cases where folks are a bit reluctant to change a piece of work they bring to the IETF that hasn't done such a good job on security or privacy. From nobody Thu Feb 4 06:57:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906441B30CD; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 06:57:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NJ1iQ6nfcr28; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 06:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A44011B30CC; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 06:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u14EvKi9074609 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Feb 2016 08:57:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4] claimed to be [10.0.1.10] From: "Ben Campbell" To: "Barry Leiba" Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 08:57:20 -0600 Message-ID: <86008F04-2E37-450B-A644-444254565609@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20160202055538.24060.52573.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <6C95A03F-C159-4252-BC57-301D2103D511@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5213) Archived-At: Cc: The IESG , dispatch@ietf.org, dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dispatch] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 14:57:23 -0000 On 3 Feb 2016, at 16:02, Barry Leiba wrote: >>> I'd suggest replacing "simple" >>> with "administrative", which I'm reading as more restrictive. Having >>> "simple" being undefined in this context seems vulnerable to >>> mischief >>> ("of course, my document is simple, so it's within charter, >>> right?"). >> >> Such mischief would require AD agreement by the current wording :-) >> But, how >> about "simple administrative documents"? > > Yes, I prefer keeping "simple" and adding "administrative". Not *all* > administrative documents will qualify. > > I also prefer, with this change, to leave "simple" vague. See Potter > Stewart. > Done. Thanks! Ben. From nobody Thu Feb 4 06:58:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A221B30D6; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 06:58:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.278 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.278 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id liCgZwZlRDGs; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 06:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ig0-x22c.google.com (mail-ig0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7A8A1B30C6; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 06:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ig0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id mw1so60856035igb.1; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 06:58:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UabOZcNhD4eFdNG4ZEigGHauNQn67OnnjPWKGD6w0Qk=; b=IM1wxjZ1x5DxO9EVecGT7CcC5HUhvPhm9Vjb+np40czlQKM7UknGQHBLaNzBE9xytE z24h1zKBC3t5JssUtieIxvYaSPNO9Vt9bnJ2popdp6EdCXFHPVmkM3GgvXGjJCQ4GSsq Fzvqvartiv+zbHuLP6BFqrHYBfqnbs0qAv4dUlvkTQC9awE+fTQ02T1E1twtciQe6zSd nlXHSLwmCrOyPFuKkBzTsD+YTWJAbn/Aa+hsTDB1Ed4XcrQYdwnwhg+A6wOqRJ1+R7rk jHS/lY81z6af1P025nqtkhvoOncNIjMi7QaXt/AondAaoijkw8egCAZ3KghKVGeDVHi+ 4ZZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UabOZcNhD4eFdNG4ZEigGHauNQn67OnnjPWKGD6w0Qk=; b=eoiovitU8IukSWdg3oSEBZ317b8oEF6LtvJf842ejVDVolNUdHOLFVqkGoeY65fUn3 zoqt/HEvtSIXkpdvHI3Y9DA2kknvzRjLDQD7ljuj2rjxgrJm+TagBYphYyPvJpj/P+Sb fbYan4mDkGNly7SMmUOsZFLj3oA3/SwDE88KBU5bgp3MmU+YZuKNARX2d8jnqw8x4zAI MydfaPg/9nfpnXpXUjJdcT9Ou6cUlWl/Xppx+zPe65tqhcR8BjQ2/dENzIHveQUNauN1 cB/c4Aoku+xV/x7tNn72SJs2ZGa2n+3QeH0acLUn+qilxdr3VfxJFBv9R02kf6mJA/du xE/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSmCOl9MVElfgEGLwEgdCGHnzBPHDeGlAj3Luz0Vtgl3rVXoKVPvA+mjasfEZfMEiVEfuKKIwag7UcrTg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.138.72 with SMTP id qo8mr9700739igb.81.1454597915261; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 06:58:35 -0800 (PST) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.36.156.5 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 06:58:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20160204141918.18497.50701.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20160204141918.18497.50701.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 09:58:35 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pH-unS2Nj7tVx0aLn0TXZfqhJRo Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Stephen Farrell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: DISPATCH , The IESG , dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dispatch] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 14:58:41 -0000 I'm happy with that. b On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for > charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dispatch/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > A friendly amendment, if you're up for accepting it: I think a > change along these lines would better reflect what we hope > folks will be doing: > > OLD: > > 5. Ensuring that the new work considers security and privacy. > > NEW: > > 5. Ensuring that the new work considers and aims to improve > security and privacy. > > My reason is that while we definitely do want to consider > security and privacy, I think we do have consensus to try to > make those better whenever we can, and to never just say > "yeah, we thought about it, but we're doing nothing." I think > it may be better if we can say that the DISPATCH charter > calls for improvement to handle cases where folks are a > bit reluctant to change a piece of work they bring to the > IETF that hasn't done such a good job on security or > privacy. > > From nobody Thu Feb 4 07:39:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietf.org Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22481B318E; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 07:39:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Benoit Claise" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160204153934.14557.85409.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 07:39:34 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [dispatch] Benoit Claise's No Objection on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-01: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 15:39:35 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-dispatch-02-01: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dispatch/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I received the necessary clarifications from both Barry and Ben during the IESG telechat. Thanks, Benoit ============================================================================= (*) Disclaimer: I've not been following RAI/ART work in the IETF and I don't know whether the DISPATCH process has been efficient or not. So I'll mainly make observations. I understand Harald's point, https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/-kiAbvZDTCLets4szoXmaCIgrs4, When I read the charter, it's like an extra procedure, specific to ART. For example, if I want a BoF, I must first go to DISPATCH to get their approval? Same thing for AD-sponsored document? The Dispatch working group is chartered to consider proposals for new work in the ART area and identify, or help create, an appropriate venue for the work. Btw, no change here: this sentence is basically unchanged compared to the previous charter. In the past, I was told that DISPATCH was similar to the OPSAWG WG. Let me observe it's not. "The DISPATCH WG will not do any protocol work", while OPSAWG might. >From the OPSAWG charter: The Operations and Management Area receives occasional proposals for the development and publication of RFCs dealing with operational and management topics that are not in scope of an existing working group and do not justify the formation of a new working group. The OPSAWG will serve as the forum for developing such work items in the IETF. Obviously, redirecting work to existing WGs is also an OPSAWG task. And when the work is substantial, a new WG can even be created. Ex: EMAN in the past I prefer the OPSAWG approach (*). From nobody Thu Feb 4 08:40:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4190D1B328F for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 08:40:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.235 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.235 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xOqU8hmclM_G for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 08:40:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF1C31A1A70 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 08:40:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from resomta-ch2-17v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.113]) by resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id EGeo1s0032TL4Rh01GgsDN; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:40:52 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([73.218.51.154]) by resomta-ch2-17v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id EGgr1s00a3KdFy101GgrjD; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:40:52 +0000 To: dispatch@ietf.org References: From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <56B37F12.2040802@alum.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 11:40:50 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1454604052; bh=x6EihsMxsn4ggFK2oaj7oidd5BPju/g9ejyOitJCwLs=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=t9H8rizhYMezR+RanU4jArRxlMsWJ4h4NHjnGo2cTMI3i1eRf4EL4eFaZBwOzMSU7 S0mfef2g3a4OnO/D9Vlpe5KMVT2uWDJE2gQ6OKeHUNEN0zgA6shREBVyXvE9W7S8SS uyT9W5FYxYfhSYizKfEECY65fJ1Up1rFkDHetepelNguEWsdEnjrHK3BAT10DzJRlC VD5c1dnkHd/G5lzbvdUP1V79w5j2vGVQDOYBDKg0kdBfQ69pn+r8B+gTFfsAzUozdn 4eSICkD+bd53mNcTByzlmXdDGgMwQPrVGlDOwB8s0ifGTGri1jjMlnB5JR1U7G0T0C BANXXRbZVJ/Qg== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dispatch] draft-winterbottom-dispatch-locparam-01 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:40:54 -0000 The updates were intended to address my comments. And indeed they do. I'm ok with this now. Thanks, Paul On 2/4/16 4:45 AM, James Winterbottom wrote: > Hi All, > > I was asked to make some updates to this document so that it could be dispatched. > I made, what I think were the requested updates back in December and posted to the list but I haven’t heard anything back. > ETSI needs this work as part of their M/493 stage-3 document so if there are further comments could they please be posted, otherwise can we please call for it to be dispatched somewhere? > > Cheers > James > > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > From nobody Fri Feb 5 00:31:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402461B3406 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 15:31:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_EXTRA_CLOSE=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qJBaAlLSjyi8 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 15:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp80.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp80.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EE801B3405 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 15:31:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 309FB3005D5; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 18:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from app41.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by smtp3.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 24B1F300223; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 18:31:23 -0500 (EST) X-Sender-Id: ogud@ogud.com Received: from app41.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.5.4); Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:31:23 -0500 Received: from ogud.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by app41.wa-webapps.iad3a (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129A0280041; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 18:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: ogud@ogud.com, from: ogud@ogud.com) with HTTP; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 18:31:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 18:31:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Olafur Gudmundsson" To: secdir@ietf.org, "IETF DNSOP WG" , dispatch@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_20160204183123000000_67968" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: html X-Auth-ID: ogud@ogud.com Message-ID: <1454628683.073614898@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail/12.0.0-RC Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 00:31:14 -0800 Subject: [dispatch] SecDIr review: draft-holmberg-dispatch-pani-abnf-02 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 23:31:26 -0000 ------=_20160204183123000000_67968 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AI have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongo= ing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These= comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area direc= tors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like= any other last call comments.=0A=0AThe document is short and to the point,= it has no security issues and is ready for publication. =0A=0AOlafur=0A=0A ------=_20160204183123000000_67968 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's =0Aong= oing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the =0AIESG. T= hese comments were written primarily for the benefit of the =0Asecurity are= a directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat =0Athese comments= just like any other last call comments.

The document is short a= nd to the point, it has no security issues and is ready for publication.
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 ------=_20160204183123000000_67968-- From nobody Fri Feb 5 18:08:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBB61A00C3 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:08:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FnFtdxnW2oib for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf0-x22f.google.com (mail-pf0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 951E11A005A for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id o185so77967623pfb.1 for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 18:08:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=FOWEnRdMZutYbY5Mi+c/EE1m5/auVTdALRhGNN/FUag=; b=vsQKjAoxgiciHlxf4fnqz15HAZICp7jDfAd8W9gOP3CDATgJFQWyXpCw9jYkjW+7mh T1Jvxg2jyKHOUHfybeVV+48/NE20CNk3F7r9iKbaCcKM+3GfZKsX9Mr0pMWdSCvpwlog +GrRJp510R33KOGFpaaTnR4ca5kVhA6oMu99bRmdpzECmeJjILa2ephQVYqGE99q9jzP T7bmQs2CEXuZFU05HX82YuruprxVlGoSCVeDIWzWCpcyqsjsbFfcch7RT3lLf9QPDFDe iIPuFkYR9cZkz90flTy5U6XIgStBnQ09nm8Q7wC6GhgIsx04X634yRsTCOtL9W///Xjl MB6g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=FOWEnRdMZutYbY5Mi+c/EE1m5/auVTdALRhGNN/FUag=; b=QS/UxEZWJrJWLAO7e8KjWrd4Y/FNgtu0U9zmQX26EZlAXnYPYS8D5wgvm4LjDGd2l6 Ko9Omuy4Drc37WOWyUVZCi6WFOKPv6UsF35BQSj19bOOTf7yk81f38jHZ5PHnIfbQ9NB ycBd08JaA0cydnqofMjE6inw3Q5N5p3/r3O4UKNVVnCwWKuKihHMKDiPLIPYcT0hVA/8 rX4qHzMjloSHU9KJOsGXg1QS07yFPTkyIVbhKhNg3+t5OlbQHUK3Cak4y5qN8iCZB8BV Kw5QHbBS98Ow+LRy9h0xFxShsarr9yvrzqnxeXkL11ULko/cf7AGZctm1Z6ZLie90ej7 OxWw== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOS1dd039wUGs5I6FZo+D0T2vlaajArc9fH2Z8mEM2t5XMX+UCMtoRhHohUVob7NQw== X-Received: by 10.98.66.157 with SMTP id h29mr24381084pfd.91.1454724520239; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 18:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (124-171-30-137.dyn.iinet.net.au. [124.171.30.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h89sm22854911pfj.52.2016.02.05.18.08.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 18:08:39 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: James Winterbottom In-Reply-To: <56B37F12.2040802@alum.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 13:08:35 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7DCA7565-D04B-4209-93F1-A9F2991B27BB@gmail.com> References: <56B37F12.2040802@alum.mit.edu> To: Paul Kyzivat X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Cc: dispatch@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dispatch] draft-winterbottom-dispatch-locparam-01 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 02:08:42 -0000 Thanks Paul. What next is required to dispatch it? Cheers James > On 5 Feb 2016, at 3:40 am, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >=20 > The updates were intended to address my comments. And indeed they do. = I'm ok with this now. >=20 > Thanks, > Paul >=20 > On 2/4/16 4:45 AM, James Winterbottom wrote: >> Hi All, >>=20 >> I was asked to make some updates to this document so that it could be = dispatched. >> I made, what I think were the requested updates back in December and = posted to the list but I haven=E2=80=99t heard anything back. >> ETSI needs this work as part of their M/493 stage-3 document so if = there are further comments could they please be posted, otherwise can we = please call for it to be dispatched somewhere? >>=20 >> Cheers >> James >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dispatch mailing list >> dispatch@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch From nobody Sat Feb 6 07:58:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA0F1A1B1D for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2016 07:58:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.235 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.235 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CFRAYez9bvky for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2016 07:58:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:37]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14F2F1A1AFF for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2016 07:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from resomta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.108]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id F3xR1s0022LrikM013y66G; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 15:58:06 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([73.218.51.154]) by resomta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id F3y51s00D3KdFy1013y5bk; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 15:58:06 +0000 To: James Winterbottom References: <56B37F12.2040802@alum.mit.edu> <7DCA7565-D04B-4209-93F1-A9F2991B27BB@gmail.com> From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <56B6180D.5020409@alum.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 10:58:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7DCA7565-D04B-4209-93F1-A9F2991B27BB@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1454774286; bh=/zP7dj92aWMSFo93xTqiaVknFjokies6cLfW/Kpu+SA=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=gR4gOwatb4rEC16cRCy+IOtZSE3iwk8AawTPbOmoXakuvgIVOSONS95cQa4i0NAqJ BnIPYyjDjr/DyzzNa9B+Y6FUgrc4fU4qkrNCTyn1L3dC4QcY52hygkjCdRtgTu/OrC /8LSf6/r6PPg3kEeCMX4Vw/ihFMjkOsXXPeDvAmyZf6UvcrxTq26B495yvWQQddwcG 0IxNgPF9AoFNsK5wePnzgTeFiyshVO2ivJyfMl9wVb/Y/9cBMZ2sEqbMZVLNKbv0s+ 4SQmZo8dy3U9BY2yI2WDG6n9FCjy+87CidGsaeeun7HeQ6wZZ0bmkODVi2+DdrZ/i+ GwpyCoxtgkUig== Archived-At: Cc: dispatch@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dispatch] draft-winterbottom-dispatch-locparam-01 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 15:58:09 -0000 On 2/5/16 9:08 PM, James Winterbottom wrote: > Thanks Paul. > > What next is required to dispatch it? That is a question for the chairs. Thanks, Paul > Cheers > James > > >> On 5 Feb 2016, at 3:40 am, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >> >> The updates were intended to address my comments. And indeed they do. I'm ok with this now. >> >> Thanks, >> Paul >> >> On 2/4/16 4:45 AM, James Winterbottom wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I was asked to make some updates to this document so that it could be dispatched. >>> I made, what I think were the requested updates back in December and posted to the list but I haven’t heard anything back. >>> ETSI needs this work as part of their M/493 stage-3 document so if there are further comments could they please be posted, otherwise can we please call for it to be dispatched somewhere? >>> >>> Cheers >>> James >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dispatch mailing list >>> dispatch@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dispatch mailing list >> dispatch@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > > From nobody Mon Feb 8 13:57:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DC11B33CD for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 13:57:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ISKcjSEmLMaO for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 13:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4ABE1B33D6 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 13:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u18LukuK019481 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:56:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4] claimed to be [10.0.1.10] From: "Ben Campbell" To: "Nigel Weinronk" , "dispatch@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 15:56:45 -0600 Message-ID: <3F4D2A04-2743-4EF1-80BC-8FDBD15723AC@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <2FA3A1EB67D00349B9871E2A3841072D0117CA6E29@INF-EXCH-MB-02.gammatelecom.com> References: <20150915120520.28650.89731.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2FA3A1EB67D00349B9871E2A3841072D0117CA6E29@INF-EXCH-MB-02.gammatelecom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5213) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dispatch] New Version Notification for draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-identity-00.txt X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 21:57:16 -0000 Hi Everyone, I'd like people to comment on the IANA registrations requested in this = draft. I think it's likely this would have been an independent stream = submission, but the privacy header field registration requires IETF = review. The header field registration might require that as well, = depending on the opinion of the expert reviewer. Thanks! Ben. On 23 Jan 2016, at 6:21, Nigel Weinronk wrote: > I have been advised to submit this draft = > (draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-identity-00.txt) to the DISPATCH = > WG as it proposes a new SIP header - see below. > > This draft defines a new SIP header "Last-Diverting-Line-Identity" for = > use where a Network Asserted Identity of the last diverted user is = > needed by applications / services provided by a network that is not = > the originating network. > > Your comments are welcome, > > Thanks, > Nigel Weinronk > > > > > Nigel Weinronk > Design Engineer > > T: 0333 240 3421 > M: 07436 070 002 > E: Nigel.Weinronk@gamma.co.uk > W: www.gamma.co.uk > > This is an email from Gamma Telecom Ltd, trading as =E2=80=9CGamma=E2=80= =9D. The = > contents of this email are confidential to the ordinary user of the = > email address to which it was addressed. This email is not intended to = > create any legal relationship. 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If you receive this email in error, please accept our = > apologies, we would be obliged if you would telephone our postmaster = > on +44 (0) 808 178 9652 or email postmaster@gamma.co.uk > > Gamma Telecom Limited, a company incorporated in England and Wales, = > with limited liability, with registered number 04340834, and whose = > registered office is at 5 Fleet Place London EC4M 7RD and whose = > principal place of business is at Kings House, Kings Road West, = > Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 5BY. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: 15 September 2015 13:05 > To: Nigel Weinronk ; Nigel Weinronk = > > Subject: New Version Notification for = > draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-identity-00.txt > > > A new version of I-D, = > draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-identity-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Nigel Weinronk and posted to the = > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-identity > Revision: 00 > Title: Last Diverting Line Identity > Document date: 2015-09-15 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 9 > URL: = > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line= -identity-00.txt > Status: = > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-ide= ntity/ > Htmlized: = > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-identity= -00 > > > Abstract: > This document proposes an extension to the Session Initiation > Protocol (SIP). > > In cases where applications/services (for example verification / > billing) are provided by a network that is not the originating > network the Network Asserted Identity is needed to provide these > services. > > This extension provides the ability for a 'diversion service' to > provide a Network Asserted Identity of the last diverting user to > these applications/services. > > This extension defines a new general header, Last Diverting Line > Identity which conveys the Network Asserted Identity of the > diverting party to these applications/services. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = > tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch From nobody Mon Feb 8 15:56:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EBF1B3DAB for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:56:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wBgUyGOOF5hU for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:56:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BECE61B3DA4 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:56:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u18NuhL5030104 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:56:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4] claimed to be [10.0.1.10] From: "Ben Campbell" To: DISPATCH Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 17:56:43 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5213) Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] Updated to Proposed New DISPATCH Charter X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 23:56:46 -0000 Hi, I made a couple of edits to the proposed new charter[1], due to AD comments made during the internal review. Please take a look. If anyone has substantial objections to the changes, please say so ASAP. Otherwise, this will shortly go to external review. (And of course people can continue to send feedback during the external review.) Thanks! Ben. [1] https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fcharter-ietf-dispatch%2Fwithmilestones-02-01.txt&url2=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fcharter-ietf-dispatch%2Fwithmilestones-02-02.txt. From nobody Mon Feb 8 15:58:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97D21B3DAB; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:58:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eSWStBmUipT4; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 461AD1B3DAA; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u18NwJwv030230 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:58:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4] claimed to be [10.0.1.10] From: "Ben Campbell" To: "Benoit Claise" Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 17:58:19 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20160204153934.14557.85409.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20160204153934.14557.85409.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5213) Archived-At: Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, The IESG , dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dispatch] Benoit Claise's No Objection on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-01: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 23:58:25 -0000 Benoit, Does the update at [1] address your original concern? Thanks! Ben. [1] = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2F= doc%2Fcharter-ietf-dispatch%2Fwithmilestones-02-01.txt&url2=3Dhttps%3A%2F= %2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fcharter-ietf-dispatch%2Fwithmilestones-02= -02.txt. On 4 Feb 2016, at 9:39, Benoit Claise wrote: > Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for > charter-ietf-dispatch-02-01: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = > this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dispatch/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I received the necessary clarifications from both Barry and Ben during > the IESG telechat. Thanks, Benoit > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > > > (*) Disclaimer: I've not been following RAI/ART work in the IETF and = > I > don't know whether the DISPATCH process has been efficient or not. So > I'll mainly make observations. > > I understand Harald's point, > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/-kiAbvZDTCLets4szoXmaCIgrs4,= > When I read the charter, it's like an extra procedure, specific to = > ART. > For example, if I want a BoF, I must first go to DISPATCH to get their > approval? Same thing for AD-sponsored document? > > The Dispatch working group is chartered to consider proposals for > new > work in the ART area and identify, or help create, an appropriate > venue > for the work. > > Btw, no change here: this sentence is basically unchanged compared to = > the > previous charter. > > In the past, I was told that DISPATCH was similar to the OPSAWG WG. > Let me observe it's not. "The DISPATCH WG will not do any protocol = > work", > while OPSAWG might. >> From the OPSAWG charter: > > The Operations and Management Area receives occasional proposals for > the development and publication of RFCs dealing with operational and > management topics that are not in scope of an existing working group > and do not justify the formation of a new working group. The OPSAWG > will serve as the forum for developing such work items in the IETF. > > Obviously, redirecting work to existing WGs is also an OPSAWG task. > And when the work is substantial, a new WG can even be created. Ex: = > EMAN > in the past > > I prefer the OPSAWG approach (*). From nobody Mon Feb 8 15:59:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D821B3DB4; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:59:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AFXdrrKX20Zy; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E82C1B3DAE; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u18NxTLD030344 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:59:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4] claimed to be [10.0.1.10] From: "Ben Campbell" To: "Stephen Farrell" Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 17:59:28 -0600 Message-ID: <97DB39B8-6AB1-4218-B72B-569822B49242@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <20160204141918.18497.50701.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20160204141918.18497.50701.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5213) Archived-At: Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, The IESG , dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dispatch] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 23:59:35 -0000 Hi Stephen, Does the update at [1] address your comment? Thanks! Ben. [1] = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2F= doc%2Fcharter-ietf-dispatch%2Fwithmilestones-02-01.txt&url2=3Dhttps%3A%2F= %2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fcharter-ietf-dispatch%2Fwithmilestones-02= -02.txt On 4 Feb 2016, at 8:19, Stephen Farrell wrote: > Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for > charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = > this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dispatch/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > A friendly amendment, if you're up for accepting it: I think a > change along these lines would better reflect what we hope > folks will be doing: > > OLD: > > 5. Ensuring that the new work considers security and privacy. > > NEW: > > 5. Ensuring that the new work considers and aims to improve > security and privacy. > > My reason is that while we definitely do want to consider > security and privacy, I think we do have consensus to try to > make those better whenever we can, and to never just say > "yeah, we thought about it, but we're doing nothing." I think > it may be better if we can say that the DISPATCH charter > calls for improvement to handle cases where folks are a > bit reluctant to change a piece of work they bring to the > IETF that hasn't done such a good job on security or > privacy. From nobody Mon Feb 8 16:01:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194A51B3DC8; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 16:01:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JyA_V2CBNp_4; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 16:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF9001B3DC0; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 16:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A4EBE50; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 00:01:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2rnHWYXJXp6l; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 00:01:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.87.48.75] (unknown [86.46.17.89]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DE323BE4C; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 00:01:45 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1454976106; bh=NZdS/FTo1YNmMqwoxTQvzD7IXuejE/Z1UXq9Mi3npAc=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=i7hvRXpTuPiSRx89IhwxLypAF1J0rLEGMCJhsC4jXGFWZ5CcWofNLyVbbPbvM+q2f c9dB3L/wtHNnpyWxhxfm1ztMqQ9vT3zGlr4SemASiw0fDsQfm6s3uSYjfetZ5NiuvO Y6y442yzReHu1U7sMF+HUgkVKhlu6SvI6jTR6oT0= To: Ben Campbell References: <20160204141918.18497.50701.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <97DB39B8-6AB1-4218-B72B-569822B49242@nostrum.com> From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <56B92C69.5080709@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 00:01:45 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <97DB39B8-6AB1-4218-B72B-569822B49242@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, The IESG , dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dispatch] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 00:01:52 -0000 On 08/02/16 23:59, Ben Campbell wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Does the update at [1] address your comment? Yep, thanks, S > > Thanks! > > Ben. > > [1] > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fcharter-ietf-dispatch%2Fwithmilestones-02-01.txt&url2=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fcharter-ietf-dispatch%2Fwithmilestones-02-02.txt > > > On 4 Feb 2016, at 8:19, Stephen Farrell wrote: > >> Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for >> charter-ietf-dispatch-02-00: No Objection >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dispatch/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> A friendly amendment, if you're up for accepting it: I think a >> change along these lines would better reflect what we hope >> folks will be doing: >> >> OLD: >> >> 5. Ensuring that the new work considers security and privacy. >> >> NEW: >> >> 5. Ensuring that the new work considers and aims to improve >> security and privacy. >> >> My reason is that while we definitely do want to consider >> security and privacy, I think we do have consensus to try to >> make those better whenever we can, and to never just say >> "yeah, we thought about it, but we're doing nothing." I think >> it may be better if we can say that the DISPATCH charter >> calls for improvement to handle cases where folks are a >> bit reluctant to change a piece of work they bring to the >> IETF that hasn't done such a good job on security or >> privacy. > From nobody Tue Feb 9 05:51:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EBC1A903B for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 05:51:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Q20G8n67XK2 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 05:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sesbmg23.ericsson.net (sesbmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.37]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3282F1A902F for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 05:51:28 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-f797e6d000007600-5b-56b9eede0a8b Received: from ESESSHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.30]) by sesbmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id B9.D2.30208.EDEE9B65; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 14:51:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.151]) by ESESSHC004.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.30]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 14:51:25 +0100 From: Christer Holmberg To: "dispatch@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Draft new: draft-holmberg-dispatch-mcptt-rp-namespace-00.txt Thread-Index: AdFjQJjkKlzfMs/1QfqDRnL1Vu370w== Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 13:51:24 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B37DC6FE8@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.17] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B37DC6FE8ESESSMB209erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpjkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGbFdTvfeu51hBhtWyFtsfbGaxWLppAWs DkweS5b8ZPL4cvkzWwBTFJdNSmpOZllqkb5dAldG86prTAVbFSoapy1hbGDcL9PFyMkhIWAi 8eP+KRYIW0ziwr31bCC2kMBhRonNG326GLmA7MWMErsXPwMq4uBgE7CQ6P6nDVIjIqAtcXRV FzOIzSzgKnFq/zF2EFsYyH507A4bRI2XxJN7TxghbD2JT7MPsoLYLAIqEo1TesB6eQV8JV68 u8kEYjMC3fD91BomiJniEreezGeCuE1AYsme88wQtqjEy8f/WEHOkRBQlFjeLwdRni8x+9N9 NoiRghInZz5hmcAoPAvJpFlIymYhKYOI60gs2P2JDcLWlli28DUzjH3mwGMmZPEFjOyrGEWL U4uTctONjPVSizKTi4vz8/TyUks2MQJj5+CW36o7GC+/cTzEKMDBqMTD+0F2Z5gQa2JZcWXu IUYJDmYlEV65N0Ah3pTEyqrUovz4otKc1OJDjNIcLErivGuc14cJCaQnlqRmp6YWpBbBZJk4 OKUaGFkO7nZ05IrcqClY2+ymcWbXUqtdfGtf/Tp61cvYhlF+mXr2s9WfPxX/Nk/Xd37hX1Dz PrRaa9ZR1oqwLcv3Pl7+YEpLz2P9mz/c7Z+fOB00795arofzT95Me5v3zm7teYEp6YWCBh4m 93cv5ShcyBwp9FD3b7Xh1aP/fQSD+5VVZC8bztW6UqXEUpyRaKjFXFScCAA0mGvkmQIAAA== Archived-At: Cc: "dispatch-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [dispatch] Draft new: draft-holmberg-dispatch-mcptt-rp-namespace-00.txt X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:51:30 -0000 --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B37DC6FE8ESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, We've submitted a new draft, draft-holmberg-dispatch-mcptt-rp-namespace-00.= txt. The purpose of the draft is to register a new SIP Resource-Priority header = field namespace. 3GPP is in the process of defining Mission Critical Push t= o Talk (MCPTT) over LTE. The service is an enhanced PTT service intended fo= r mission critical public service use. It is based on the 3GPP Evolved Pack= et System services. As this service is over the radio network and needs to function even when r= esources are scarce in various disaster scenarios a priority mechanism is n= eeded to ensure that the highest priority traffic gets the resources it nee= ds. Regards, Christer --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B37DC6FE8ESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

We’ve submitted a new dra= ft, draft-holmberg-dispatch-mcptt-rp-namespace-00.txt.

 

The purpose of the draft is to = register a new SIP Resource-Priority header field namespace. 3GPP is in the= process of defining Mission Critical Push to Talk (MCPTT) over LTE. The se= rvice is an enhanced PTT service intended for mission critical public service use. It is based on the 3GPP Evolved P= acket System services.

 

As this service is over the rad= io network and needs to function even when resources are scarce in various = disaster scenarios a priority mechanism is needed to ensure that the highes= t priority traffic gets the resources it needs.

 

Regards,

 

Christer

--_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B37DC6FE8ESESSMB209erics_-- From nobody Wed Feb 10 03:33:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF511A1B87 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 03:33:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Aps3lsMTqQez for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 03:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.bemta3.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta3.messagelabs.com [195.245.230.166]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A181F1A1B86 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 03:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.245.230.51] by server-6.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id CD/F2-08479-CEF1BB65; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:33:00 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Peter.Dawes@vodafone.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-33.messagelabs.com!1455103980!15433979!1 X-Originating-IP: [195.232.244.134] X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 7.35.1; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 31458 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2016 11:33:00 -0000 Received: from mailout02.vodafone.com (HELO mailout02.vodafone.com) (195.232.244.134) by server-2.tower-33.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 10 Feb 2016 11:33:00 -0000 Received: from mailint01.vodafone.com (mailint01.vodafone.com [195.232.244.198]) by mailout02.vodafone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3q0f8r0lNzzbdFb; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:33:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailint01.vodafone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailint01.vodafone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3q0f8q6xLWzxQDv; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:32:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from VOEXC05W.internal.vodafone.com (voexc05w.dc-ratingen.de [145.230.101.25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailint01.vodafone.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3q0f8q6rhKzxQB4; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:32:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from VOEXC30W.internal.vodafone.com (145.230.103.202) by VOEXC05W.internal.vodafone.com (145.230.101.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.224.2; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:32:59 +0100 Received: from VOEXM31W.internal.vodafone.com ([169.254.7.89]) by voexc30w ([145.230.103.202]) with mapi id 14.03.0224.002; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:32:59 +0100 From: "Dawes, Peter, Vodafone Group" To: "dispatch@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [dispatch] https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-dawes-sipcore-mediasec-parameter-03.txt Thread-Index: AdFj9n/RDdNgtOUcTdeo4doxMUAK5Q== Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:32:58 +0000 Message-ID: <4A4F136CBD0E0D44AE1EDE36C4CD9D99C89EE030@VOEXM31W.internal.vodafone.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "dispatch-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [dispatch] https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-dawes-sipcore-mediasec-parameter-03.txt X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:33:12 -0000 Hello All, I would like to ask dispatch to (re-)consider the proposals in https://data= tracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dawes-sipcore-mediasec-parameter/ and how it mig= ht be progressed. One of the sipcore chairs has indicated that this draft p= robably does not belong in sipcore and dispatch did not make a detailed eva= luation the first time it was brought to the group.=20 The most recent comments on the sipcore mailing list are https://mailarchiv= e.ietf.org/arch/msg/sipcore/mD1Qedh93ep9oVOxttIxKN7lIcg and it might help t= o repeat part of what I said there about the new header field parameter tha= t is the reason for the draft:=20 "...the header field parameter introduced by this draft originates from 3GP= P specifications and related procedures and header field values are also de= scribed in 3GPP specifications. The purpose of this draft is to name the he= ader field parameter, give several illustrative examples to make it clear h= ow it is used, and set up an IANA registry for existing and future values. = The draft does not propose that IETF defines any new security setup procedu= res, ciphering, integrity protection etc." Thanks and regards, Peter From nobody Wed Feb 10 05:54:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987EC1A8A9B for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:54:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OHKTcQMzRijV for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-x236.google.com (mail-yw0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08AEB1A8AB3 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yw0-x236.google.com with SMTP id q190so14231176ywd.3 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:54:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4RXs38ftx9Q3ICsPaFJNhI3tJ/e3Q8O21QhvSuddMQ8=; b=eAU+j/I6DQXXpOb2wsRx904uQq8/2to4YZBIO1LQkM1MQkkeB4vo99F1ZSC++gIsPp 7w/Dh0rlyvizdjAAhlmZqeKy7kwdxkpJHD8eld/zMY8Zj+KWzMBchYIRAwBgPdLcwNWg oczzkDU4kUzxxNMgAA8aLZtnjj8k/9sUmUxeDlweELtjIXq2C9gsfJElyPo0nIfdwoGE rA9+ha10s6vHjBCgbM7y1KE0VSHXiH1e4BjwQN9sntE6PuA5l3yQT9AcKxOSqdfVM4Yb R3JrWlnToXNoExPVfHoVguNju23taE4OwxAvHcpFXs3S0lC6qPBL2fMo2AwS+CnXJ41o 64gA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4RXs38ftx9Q3ICsPaFJNhI3tJ/e3Q8O21QhvSuddMQ8=; b=ileKGWTK/SUSCxEOXFJ+aUL+lK3fyyVIUXwGLtDbcAxJD15I8CKedzCNYOWO9qIwKf Fm5vLDQuib3N7waKj64qF+WwAnNHhfngI91mdyXDdBaSL/cBp0klLDNOcvGXsl6Krt0d QjZvty0hZ1fQGAnYS8YHrieREEkqMz1yQauzpAAuH4F1jTiqIyzYkdRv0ReYjXNJPEOb b2QZ/Eg2tVysYC1B9wrLZyLDykbaxA1B15M3sNNZeIJMJ7TWbG7t/d0r94urxMfV3BJQ qpq+ccxCyrqU5xK4V0pGV3Nr3CFLdVOHnJffKn6V2Ej7eQIs9sWlANRGOZ72oy0krY94 HNTw== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQELy0uSZrNgoK/0lScAx07p6ILefWMg4FTHhxatQyk9OxmRx+VySIxciJVIRRkQl4xYTkdbJ8r9iRPJA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.129.34.133 with SMTP id i127mr21699674ywi.153.1455112466404; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.101.68 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:54:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 07:54:26 -0600 Message-ID: From: Mary Barnes To: DISPATCH Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114091bcab296e052b6ac583 Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] Reminder: Deadlines for IETF-95 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:54:28 -0000 --001a114091bcab296e052b6ac583 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi all, Just a reminder of the DISPATCH WG deadlines for IETF-95: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dispatch/trac/wiki - February 22, 2016. Cutoff date to notify the chairs/DISPATCH WG of plans to submit a proposal. - February 29, 2016. Cutoff for charter proposals for topics. - March 7, 2016. Announcement of topics that have been dispatched for IETF-95. - March 21, 2016. Draft deadline. Regards, Mary --001a114091bcab296e052b6ac583 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Hi all,

Just a reminder of the DISPATCH WG deadlines for IETF-95:

  • February 22, 2016. Cutoff date to notify the chairs/DISPATCH WG of plans to submit a proposal.
  • February 29, 2016. Cutoff for charter proposals for topics.
  • March 7, 2016. Announcement of topics that have been dispatched for IETF-95.
  • March 21, 2016. Draft deadline.

Regards,
Mary
--001a114091bcab296e052b6ac583-- From nobody Thu Feb 11 17:56:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB181B3DBC for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 17:56:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k7iDmMdkHCAu for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 17:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2F2F1B3DC0 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 17:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u1C1uVNP068072 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 11 Feb 2016 19:56:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4] claimed to be [10.0.1.10] From: "Ben Campbell" To: "Mary Barnes" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 19:56:30 -0600 Message-ID: <8119825D-F91F-4494-AE59-39E3956B02F1@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5213) Archived-At: Cc: DISPATCH Subject: Re: [dispatch] Reminder: Deadlines for IETF-95 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 01:56:35 -0000 Hi, I understand that Jon, Ekr, Richard, and Russ plan to submit a draft on security recommendations for point-to-point, SIP-signaled RTP in time for Buenos Aires. While I would be pleasantly surprised if the discussion is far enough along by then for a charter proposal, I think discussion in DISPATCH would be worthwhile. So, please consider this notice of their intent to propose a discussion topic, on their behalf. Thanks! Ben. On 10 Feb 2016, at 7:54, Mary Barnes wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a reminder of the DISPATCH WG deadlines for IETF-95: > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dispatch/trac/wiki > > > - February 22, 2016. Cutoff date to notify the chairs/DISPATCH WG of > plans to submit a proposal. > > > - February 29, 2016. Cutoff for charter proposals for topics. > > > - March 7, 2016. Announcement of topics that have been dispatched for > IETF-95. > > > - March 21, 2016. Draft deadline. > > > Regards, > Mary > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch From nobody Fri Feb 12 13:59:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401A31A9091; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 13:59:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RuqgOKBuZLdb; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 13:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 717331A9088; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 13:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u1CLwwVx092834 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 12 Feb 2016 15:58:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4] claimed to be [10.0.1.10] From: "Ben Campbell" To: IESG , DISPATCH , dispatch-chairs@tools.ietf.org Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 15:58:57 -0600 Message-ID: <3E9F04A5-8982-47C9-9BD3-7AFB8CF52823@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5213) Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] Approved: DISPATCH charter update for external review X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 21:59:00 -0000 Hi Secretariat (bcc'd) The updated DISPATCH charter is ready for external review. Thanks! Ben. From nobody Fri Feb 12 14:10:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietf.org Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B5E1A90DC; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:10:30 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.14.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160212221030.18260.11945.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:10:30 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: dispatch@ietf.org Subject: [dispatch] WG Review: Dispatch (dispatch) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 22:10:30 -0000 The Dispatch (dispatch) WG in the Applications and Real-Time Area of the IETF is undergoing rechartering. The IESG has not made any determination yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by 2016-02-22. Dispatch (dispatch) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Current status: Active WG Chairs: Mary Barnes Cullen Jennings Murray Kucherawy Assigned Area Director: Ben Campbell Applications and Real-Time Area Directors: Barry Leiba Ben Campbell Alissa Cooper Mailing list: Address: dispatch@ietf.org To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dispatch/ Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dispatch/ The Dispatch working group is chartered to consider proposals for new work in the ART area and identify, or help create, an appropriate venue for the work. Guiding principles for the proposed new work include: 1. Providing a clear problem statement, motivation and deliverables for the proposed new work. 2. Ensuring there has been adequate mailing list discussion reflecting sufficient interest, individuals have expressed a willingness to contribute and there is WG consensus before new work is dispatched. 3. Looking for and identifying commonalities and overlap amongst published or ongoing protocol work. Such commonalities may indicate the possibility of reusing existing protocols or elements thereof published by other WGs, or expanding and/or refactoring the scope of deliverables in an active WG. 4. Protecting the architectural integrity of IETF protocols and ensuring that new work has general applicability. 5. Ensuring that the new work considers and seeks to improve security and privacy. Options for handling new work include: - Directing the work to an existing WG. - Developing a proposal for a BOF. - Developing a charter for a new WG. - Making recommendations that documents be AD-sponsored (which ADs may or may not choose to follow). - By agreement with ART ADs, processing simple administrative documents. - Deferring the decision for the new work. - Rejecting the new work. If the group decides that a particular topic needs to be addressed by a new WG, the normal IETF chartering process will be followed, including, for instance, IETF-wide review of the proposed charter. Proposals for large work efforts SHOULD lead to a BOF where the topic can be discussed in front of the entire IETF community. The DISPATCH WG will not do any protocol work. Specifically, DISPATCH will always opt to find a location for technical work; the only work that DISPATCH is not required to delegate (or defer, or reject) is administrative work such as IANA actions. Documents progressed as AD-sponsored would typically include those that do not have general applicability to IETF protocols, but rather are only applicable to specific use cases and network deployments, for which the scope must be clearly specified. Proposed new work may be deferred in cases where the WG does not have enough information for the chairs to determine consensus. New work may be rejected in cases where there is not sufficient WG interest or the proposal has been considered and rejected in the past, unless a substantially revised proposal is put forth, including compelling new reasons for accepting the work. A major objective of the DISPATCH WG is to provide timely, clear dispositions of new efforts. Thus, where there is consensus to take on new work, the WG will strive to quickly find a home for it. While most new work in the ART area is expected to be considered in the DISPATCH working group, there may be times where that is not appropriate. At the discretion of the area directors, new efforts may follow other paths. For example work may go directly to BoFs, may be initiated in other working groups when it clearly belongs in that group, or may be directly AD sponsored. From nobody Thu Feb 18 07:54:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AD71B29E6 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 07:54:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ElP9BxGCglcv for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 07:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from rgout0103.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (rgout0103.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk [65.20.0.123]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211671B29D6 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 07:54:31 -0800 (PST) X-OWM-Source-IP: 10.110.13.1 () X-OWM-Env-Sender: nweinronk@btinternet.com X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090201.56C5E92D.004A, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Suspect: true Received: from webmail38.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk (10.110.13.1) by rgout01.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as nweinronk@btinternet.com) id 56B9DEA20100F081; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:54:21 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1455810872; bh=OIzgz01ZeNJquMXFGQ7JgJXgjqobenfB6d1PuEHNc5o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version; b=Uqv9co2vRprhOvJPmGSm8wA3JPuPdSYCr8NLmOqcqJQYD8oDC2wJo1MWIEjsST7k2T5MNsF2QI5bknYKSbuQdz/MbNCEANxwPOaGqObk5mCTbIPt1gGYL10E2xmfIHm/Dw7hkCtfYnxt7g3H9udpXaH+Zeala3uyhwKJKK7lHjc= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:54:21 +0000 (GMT) From: N WEINRONK To: ben@nostrum.com, dispatch@ietf.org, Nigel.Weinronk@gamma.co.uk Message-ID: <30488691.40732.1455810861085.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> In-Reply-To: <3F4D2A04-2743-4EF1-80BC-8FDBD15723AC@nostrum.com> References: <20150915120520.28650.89731.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2FA3A1EB67D00349B9871E2A3841072D0117CA6E29@INF-EXCH-MB-02.gammatelecom.com> <3F4D2A04-2743-4EF1-80BC-8FDBD15723AC@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 24201 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX Importance: 3 (Normal) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Client-IP: IPv4[31.53.69.176] Epoch[1455810861060] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dispatch] New Version Notification for draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-identity-00.txt X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: nweinronk@btinternet.com List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:54:35 -0000 I have resubmitted this draft under the dispatch working group as: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-weinronk-dispatch-last-diverting-lin= e-id/=20 This draft defines a new SIP header "Last-Diverting-Line-Identity" for=20 use where a Network Asserted Identity of the last diverted user is=20 needed by applications / services provided by a network that is not=20 the originating network. Your comments are welcome, Thanks, Nigel Weinronk ----Original message---- >From : ben@nostrum.com Date : 08/02/2016 - 21:56 (GMTST) To : Nigel.Weinronk@gamma.co.uk, dispatch@ietf.org Subject : Re: [dispatch] New Version Notification for draft-weinronk-last-d= iverting-line-identity-00.txt Hi Everyone, I'd like people to comment on the IANA registrations requested in this=20 draft. I think it's likely this would have been an independent stream=20 submission, but the privacy header field registration requires IETF=20 review. The header field registration might require that as well,=20 depending on the opinion of the expert reviewer. Thanks! Ben. On 23 Jan 2016, at 6:21, Nigel Weinronk wrote: > I have been advised to submit this draft=20 > (draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-identity-00.txt) to the DISPATCH=20 > WG as it proposes a new SIP header - see below. > > This draft defines a new SIP header "Last-Diverting-Line-Identity" for=20 > use where a Network Asserted Identity of the last diverted user is=20 > needed by applications / services provided by a network that is not=20 > the originating network. > > Your comments are welcome, > > Thanks, > Nigel Weinronk > > > > > Nigel Weinronk > Design Engineer > > T: 0333 240 3421 > M: 07436 070 002 > E: Nigel.Weinronk@gamma.co.uk > W: www.gamma.co.uk > > This is an email from Gamma Telecom Ltd, trading as =E2=80=9CGamma=E2=80= =9D. The=20 > contents of this email are confidential to the ordinary user of the=20 > email address to which it was addressed. This email is not intended to=20 > create any legal relationship. 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If you receive this email in error, please accept our=20 > apologies, we would be obliged if you would telephone our postmaster=20 > on +44 (0) 808 178 9652 or email postmaster@gamma.co.uk > > Gamma Telecom Limited, a company incorporated in England and Wales,=20 > with limited liability, with registered number 04340834, and whose=20 > registered office is at 5 Fleet Place London EC4M 7RD and whose=20 > principal place of business is at Kings House, Kings Road West,=20 > Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 5BY. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: 15 September 2015 13:05 > To: Nigel Weinronk ; Nigel Weinronk=20 > > Subject: New Version Notification for=20 > draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-identity-00.txt > > > A new version of I-D,=20 > draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-identity-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Nigel Weinronk and posted to the=20 > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-identity > Revision: 00 > Title: Last Diverting Line Identity > Document date: 2015-09-15 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 9 > URL: =20 > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-i= dentity-00.txt > Status: =20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-ident= ity/ > Htmlized: =20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-weinronk-last-diverting-line-identity-0= 0 > > > Abstract: > This document proposes an extension to the Session Initiation > Protocol (SIP). > > In cases where applications/services (for example verification / > billing) are provided by a network that is not the originating > network the Network Asserted Identity is needed to provide these > services. > > This extension provides the ability for a 'diversion service' to > provide a Network Asserted Identity of the last diverting user to > these applications/services. > > This extension defines a new general header, Last Diverting Line > Identity which conveys the Network Asserted Identity of the > diverting party to these applications/services. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of=20 > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at=20 > tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch _______________________________________________ dispatch mailing list dispatch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch From nobody Sat Feb 20 23:07:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8951B2E18 for ; 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X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 07:07:00 -0000 Hi Dispatch Chairs, This document has been updated for some time with the changes requested = by WG participants so that it can be dispatched. This work is required for ongoing ETSI work. Please can you let me know if there is anything more that I need to do = to help this document on this way? 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X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 22:13:44 -0000 --001a113ce16a64b313052c4f0796 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 At this point, there's nothing more for you do unless someone makes comments on the document on the mailing list. The chairs and ADs are currently discussing how best to progress the work item. Regards, Mary. On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 1:06 AM, James Winterbottom < a.james.winterbottom@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Dispatch Chairs, > > This document has been updated for some time with the changes requested by > WG participants so that it can be dispatched. > This work is required for ongoing ETSI work. > > Please can you let me know if there is anything more that I need to do to > help this document on this way? > > Cheers > James > > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > --001a113ce16a64b313052c4f0796 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
At this point, there's nothing more for you do unless = someone makes comments on the document on the mailing list.=C2=A0 The chair= s and ADs are currently discussing how best to progress the work item.
=
Regards,
Mary.=C2=A0

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Ja= mes Winterbottom <a.james.winterbottom@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dispatch Chairs,

This document has been updated for some time with the changes requested by = WG participants so that it can be dispatched.
This work is required for ongoing ETSI work.

Please can you let me know if there is anything more that I need to do to h= elp this document on this way?

Cheers
James

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Thanks Mary.

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Feb 2016, at 9:13 am, Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com> wrote:

At this point, there's nothing more for you do unless someone makes comments on the document on the mailing list.  The chairs and ADs are currently discussing how best to progress the work item.

Regards,
Mary. 

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 1:06 AM, James Winterbottom <a.james.winterbottom@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dispatch Chairs,

This document has been updated for some time with the changes requested by WG participants so that it can be dispatched.
This work is required for ongoing ETSI work.

Please can you let me know if there is anything more that I need to do to help this document on this way?

Cheers
James

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dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dispatch] Benoit Claise's No Objection on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-01: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:49:44 -0000 On 2/9/2016 12:58 AM, Ben Campbell wrote: > Benoit, > > Does the update at [1] address your original concern? Yes, thank you. Regards, B. > > Thanks! > > Ben. > > [1] > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fcharter-ietf-dispatch%2Fwithmilestones-02-01.txt&url2=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fcharter-ietf-dispatch%2Fwithmilestones-02-02.txt. > > On 4 Feb 2016, at 9:39, Benoit Claise wrote: > >> Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for >> charter-ietf-dispatch-02-01: No Objection >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dispatch/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I received the necessary clarifications from both Barry and Ben during >> the IESG telechat. Thanks, Benoit >> ============================================================================= >> >> >> >> (*) Disclaimer: I've not been following RAI/ART work in the IETF and I >> don't know whether the DISPATCH process has been efficient or not. So >> I'll mainly make observations. >> >> I understand Harald's point, >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/-kiAbvZDTCLets4szoXmaCIgrs4, >> When I read the charter, it's like an extra procedure, specific to ART. >> For example, if I want a BoF, I must first go to DISPATCH to get their >> approval? Same thing for AD-sponsored document? >> >> The Dispatch working group is chartered to consider proposals for >> new >> work in the ART area and identify, or help create, an appropriate >> venue >> for the work. >> >> Btw, no change here: this sentence is basically unchanged compared to >> the >> previous charter. >> >> In the past, I was told that DISPATCH was similar to the OPSAWG WG. >> Let me observe it's not. "The DISPATCH WG will not do any protocol >> work", >> while OPSAWG might. >>> From the OPSAWG charter: >> >> The Operations and Management Area receives occasional proposals for >> the development and publication of RFCs dealing with operational and >> management topics that are not in scope of an existing working group >> and do not justify the formation of a new working group. The OPSAWG >> will serve as the forum for developing such work items in the IETF. >> >> Obviously, redirecting work to existing WGs is also an OPSAWG task. >> And when the work is substantial, a new WG can even be created. Ex: EMAN >> in the past >> >> I prefer the OPSAWG approach (*). > . > From nobody Mon Feb 22 11:08:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BD01B3811 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:08:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wPrK3QmB9YdP for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F15601B3826 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE1920A86 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 14:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 22 Feb 2016 14:02:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=/9PLUrDN251ipNo7WEfMI5jiu5Y=; b=EmKVUk DhSiMS9oFODdeYGR3JqyQBICVxYX9AHQBP6o5n2HyO4Ldu5xwMmQ2bzf5gcr1Jgf n2Z8WHbWVlZAyBxm8xbD0G/BszORwgA4cfCbct/hls1/6VExUqBDoBR7ogO64U2b KOlb40SdBBvaXmrgnMOk0c232L5LPucI6oPUU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=/9PLUrDN251ipNo 7WEfMI5jiu5Y=; b=Yy5S+h5QvU3pcIAASG9qn09WmvlW2VbhhsjlfGeky5IEyHL n0r8XHBQZZ/vvYLsELzTHWQEoR8xQcUloqCWJD+D9SvYPHCyYz6U+sHbmLzPC7qA mj4K48vVI9NO48ix65spVrxCUs+jQEZXjEcYDMH6PPsySapH9Aet9JGasHV4= X-Sasl-enc: pP4AEbofCCERPg+KpQRKkJJnaIWCx7tpTkWeTxn7s0lu 1456167767 Received: from [172.22.50.50] (unknown [62.232.206.186]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2478CC00022; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 14:02:47 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Alexey Melnikov X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13D15) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 19:03:44 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <12B6528D-71C9-44E2-B1E2-4CE8767108A4@fastmail.fm> References: <20160204153934.14557.85409.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Ben Campbell Archived-At: Cc: Benoit Claise , dispatch@ietf.org, The IESG , dispatch-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dispatch] Benoit Claise's No Objection on charter-ietf-dispatch-02-01: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 19:08:11 -0000 Hi Ben, > On 8 Feb 2016, at 23:58, Ben Campbell wrote: >=20 > Benoit, >=20 > Does the update at [1] address your original concern? >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Ben. >=20 > [1] https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org= %2Fdoc%2Fcharter-ietf-dispatch%2Fwithmilestones-02-01.txt&url2=3Dhttps%3A%2F%= 2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fcharter-ietf-dispatch%2Fwithmilestones-02-02.= txt. I think this is an improvement! >=20 >> On 4 Feb 2016, at 9:39, Benoit Claise wrote: >>=20 >> Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for >> charter-ietf-dispatch-02-01: No Objection >>=20 >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dispatch/ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> I received the necessary clarifications from both Barry and Ben during >> the IESG telechat. Thanks, Benoit >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >>=20 >>=20 >> (*) Disclaimer: I've not been following RAI/ART work in the IETF and I >> don't know whether the DISPATCH process has been efficient or not. So >> I'll mainly make observations. >>=20 >> I understand Harald's point, >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/-kiAbvZDTCLets4szoXmaCIgrs4, >> When I read the charter, it's like an extra procedure, specific to ART. >> For example, if I want a BoF, I must first go to DISPATCH to get their >> approval? Same thing for AD-sponsored document? >>=20 >> The Dispatch working group is chartered to consider proposals for >> new >> work in the ART area and identify, or help create, an appropriate >> venue >> for the work. >>=20 >> Btw, no change here: this sentence is basically unchanged compared to the= >> previous charter. >>=20 >> In the past, I was told that DISPATCH was similar to the OPSAWG WG. >> Let me observe it's not. "The DISPATCH WG will not do any protocol work",= >> while OPSAWG might. >>> =46rom the OPSAWG charter: >>=20 >> The Operations and Management Area receives occasional proposals for >> the development and publication of RFCs dealing with operational and >> management topics that are not in scope of an existing working group >> and do not justify the formation of a new working group. The OPSAWG >> will serve as the forum for developing such work items in the IETF. >>=20 >> Obviously, redirecting work to existing WGs is also an OPSAWG task. >> And when the work is substantial, a new WG can even be created. Ex: EMAN >> in the past >>=20 >> I prefer the OPSAWG approach (*). >=20 From nobody Fri Feb 26 10:47:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868BA1B2E66 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:47:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id in-UFhPAW7w3 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:47:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-x22b.google.com (mail-yw0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC8751B2E52 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:47:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yw0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id e63so75884836ywc.3 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:47:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=ZcsHGSUhnsoUT2ZL9rYO/vL0YPD2Lh7cUmi6ROtFX2M=; b=q2tyqZy/KLbChUGbJ67Lr/2U6aCYDfU/nFd5peqAsEjUk+AZrYkXw4AS48fyq5sNxZ NfERHCuXDUo9/cXG9Qb8LeVkMjYgxR7uoHUYJqH94DzkIPhcOIffnI8loMAzI52J63Hv 9CJE4EieS9hwxg695bDWSCqAZH93kyV4ITYhq7Tbff8ROD2tMNCo3g1eaa1vQAcua3mc +5+CijfYnkk7c1+jc5A0AysBWuMq1WkJHChvVy0Nvrg+EsSVzBRMcR/b21und+f+thwQ A++KCvktTrtlhTg3p5CNkgYSjRUX+QYrB6LD4+ie0LfMj2vfDkm2iFbMjRon1/rsqq2V 2vsw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=ZcsHGSUhnsoUT2ZL9rYO/vL0YPD2Lh7cUmi6ROtFX2M=; b=ZcH02dcmb+PjZlzmOffJbIXwKZcWCNBBDcfOlwusRTTGdShi/1NKaOggSzVsr/swLX uEXROsX4GrfjwJDCLU9jFWduYCD7YOxd618frcJr4Vab7QArfG04eWelrJypmupYtQ0T TRIM4yBWhlOOuReM5dgYL3D4II92APQosip6svGVW3mCvMWxWqwRiwGesgTAb6d8YC5A EQmH0HD19KpeaqpmUnoj+biiaVpDRWif0kYkvIK+TQw0yw73OcjHFAJQJPc1LzTXoz/7 YNbc8asJbMgjY2s+h03cY1zQNSQgJ+Mj77nlN0rncjxFJMOIbPN8A9X13cmmvxQmPT7X GiMg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJL0Teyf4dv32px656bBaqO3piPztWytLk9mNtAVXUxuLmxY/M9B1yZCOu8BMQK+TjOesdjG0MS+6MyUzg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.129.34.133 with SMTP id i127mr1848415ywi.153.1456512429006; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:47:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.89.195 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:47:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 12:47:08 -0600 Message-ID: From: Mary Barnes To: James Winterbottom Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114091bcf12abb052cb0b9c8 Archived-At: Cc: DISPATCH list Subject: Re: [dispatch] draft-winterbottom-dispatch-locparam-01 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 18:47:11 -0000 --001a114091bcf12abb052cb0b9c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James - thanks for updating the document and Paul thanks for reviewing the updates. The chairs and ADs have had some offline discussions about how to move this forward. The current proposal is to AD sponsor the document. However, we would also like feedback from the WG, in particular folks that have been active in ECRIT and GEOPRIV WGs, as to whether this seems reasonable or whether we might need to consider a "mini" WG. We do think that additional text is necessary to further emphasize that this is only recommended to be used in the context of a trusted network. Please respond no later than Friday, March 11 , 2016. Regards, Mary On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:45 AM, James Winterbottom < a.james.winterbottom@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > I was asked to make some updates to this document so that it could be > dispatched. > I made, what I think were the requested updates back in December and > posted to the list but I haven=E2=80=99t heard anything back. > ETSI needs this work as part of their M/493 stage-3 document so if there > are further comments could they please be posted, otherwise can we please > call for it to be dispatched somewhere? > > Cheers > James > > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > --001a114091bcf12abb052cb0b9c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
James - thanks for updating the document and Paul tha= nks for reviewing the updates. =C2=A0

The chai= rs and ADs have had some offline discussions about how to move this forward= .=C2=A0 The current proposal is to AD sponsor the document.=C2=A0 However, = we would also like feedback from the WG, in particular folks that have been= active in ECRIT and GEOPRIV WGs, as to whether this seems reasonable or wh= ether we might need to consider a "mini" WG. =C2=A0 =C2=A0We do t= hink that additional text is necessary to further emphasize that this is on= ly recommended to be used in the context of a trusted network.
Please respond no later than Friday, March 11 , 2016.

Regards,
Mary


On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:45 AM,= James Winterbottom <a.james.winterbottom@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

I was asked to make some updates to this document so that it could be dispa= tched.
I made, what I think were the requested updates back in December and posted= to the list but I haven=E2=80=99t heard anything back.
ETSI needs this work as part of their M/493 stage-3 document so if there ar= e further comments could they please be posted, otherwise can we please cal= l for it to be dispatched somewhere?

Cheers
James

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--001a114091bcf12abb052cb0b9c8-- From nobody Fri Feb 26 13:12:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B121B307D for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 13:12:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.307 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4VuEMzBFD6LD for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 13:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 380D21B307A for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 13:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0EFBE7B; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 21:12:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9NqQ51yNjmc9; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 21:12:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.87.48.75] (unknown [86.46.31.86]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9BB88BE73; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 21:12:30 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1456521151; bh=OePusRgknq4tTniW3lfi7XSlTJWTScC76zJXTWFxPdI=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=nBeHOjq6XvcF1V3Q58Si0h7BF35ZTKJXezndXTNYRUX/iphmI6CVjqNdEOnjCFis2 74MQdb72Eo5dSFAJiW4q9AjKwJ2nwcmEaBsVWT4c45fT5u7B2H3tPZQwaZLpDzlTQF fGthWerY5cfoGyYBMpXvTpG984P2Af0wJwvgTta4= To: Mary Barnes , James Winterbottom References: From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <56D0BFBD.8080000@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 21:12:29 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms020400070907090803020308" Archived-At: Cc: DISPATCH list Subject: Re: [dispatch] draft-winterbottom-dispatch-locparam-01 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 21:12:36 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020400070907090803020308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mary, On 26/02/16 18:47, Mary Barnes wrote: > only > recommended to be used in the context of a trusted network. 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raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4] claimed to be [10.0.1.10] From: "Ben Campbell" To: "Stephen Farrell" Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 16:52:21 -0600 Message-ID: <6ED851DB-7951-4CE0-8674-A49120881DD4@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <56D0BFBD.8080000@cs.tcd.ie> References: <56D0BFBD.8080000@cs.tcd.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5226) Archived-At: Cc: DISPATCH list Subject: Re: [dispatch] draft-winterbottom-dispatch-locparam-01 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 22:52:30 -0000 On 26 Feb 2016, at 15:12, Stephen Farrell wrote: > Hi Mary, > > On 26/02/16 18:47, Mary Barnes wrote: >> only >> recommended to be used in the context of a trusted network. > > What does that mean? I think the point is, the draft needs to say what it means :-). And actually, the current version does have a Spec(T) [RFC 3325] reference. But I think the request here is for clarification of application scope assumptions. For example, it mentions 3GPP and ETSI architectures; do we expect its use to be limited to those architectures? This probably goes beyond just trust issues. For example, what happens when a recipient that does not understand this extension tries to interpret a location value that uses it. Ben. (Who is answering off the top of his head, and apologizes in advance if he forgot something in the draft that answers all this). From nobody Mon Feb 29 15:53:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0591C1A1A06 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 15:53:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.266 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.266 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hjx9hxkUNkD8 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 15:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0b-0018ba01.pphosted.com (mx0a-0018ba01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B997F1A03F9 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 15:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0078666.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0a-0018ba01.pphosted.com (8.15.0.59/8.15.0.59) with SMTP id u1TNr0Fu003036; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:53:46 -0500 Received: from stntexhc12.cis.neustar.com ([156.154.17.216]) by mx0a-0018ba01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 21b8su8brg-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:53:46 -0500 Received: from STNTEXMB10.cis.neustar.com ([169.254.5.140]) by stntexhc12.cis.neustar.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0279.002; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:53:44 -0500 From: "Peterson, Jon" To: Ben Campbell , Mary Barnes Thread-Topic: [dispatch] Reminder: Deadlines for IETF-95 Thread-Index: AQHRZAqTJ+2zqOwoS02MQXPireE1/p8n/OoAgBuhi4A= Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:53:44 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8119825D-F91F-4494-AE59-39E3956B02F1@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <8119825D-F91F-4494-AE59-39E3956B02F1@nostrum.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.7.151005 x-originating-ip: [192.168.129.117] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2016-02-29_10:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1601100000 definitions=main-1602290454 Archived-At: Cc: DISPATCH Subject: Re: [dispatch] Reminder: Deadlines for IETF-95 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:53:49 -0000 I just wanted to confirm that Ben here is correct. This idea came out of a discussion in Yokohama about identifying the best practices for media security when setting up sessions with SIP, and in particular the glue that binds security in SIP to SDP and to RTP. This would invoke things like STIR, and would also potentially nod to more opportunistic approaches like those outlined in Alan's draft, as media confidentiality is one of the more important security properties in this post-PERPASS world of ours. So, we expect to have a draft before the deadline - happy to discuss the general topic here in the meantime if there's interest. Jon Peterson Neustar, Inc. On 2/11/16, 5:56 PM, "dispatch on behalf of Ben Campbell" wrote: >Hi, > >I understand that Jon, Ekr, Richard, and Russ plan to submit a draft on >security recommendations for point-to-point, SIP-signaled RTP in time >for Buenos Aires. While I would be pleasantly surprised if the >discussion is far enough along by then for a charter proposal, I think >discussion in DISPATCH would be worthwhile. > >So, please consider this notice of their intent to propose a discussion >topic, on their behalf. > >Thanks! > >Ben. > >On 10 Feb 2016, at 7:54, Mary Barnes wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Just a reminder of the DISPATCH WG deadlines for IETF-95: >> https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dispatch/trac/wiki >> >> >> - February 22, 2016. Cutoff date to notify the chairs/DISPATCH WG of >> plans to submit a proposal. >> >> >> - February 29, 2016. Cutoff for charter proposals for topics. >> >> >> - March 7, 2016. Announcement of topics that have been dispatched for >> IETF-95. >> >> >> - March 21, 2016. Draft deadline. >> >> >> Regards, >> Mary >> _______________________________________________ >> dispatch mailing list >> dispatch@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > >_______________________________________________ >dispatch mailing list >dispatch@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch From nobody Mon Feb 29 23:05:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EB51B29CF for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:05:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ApRdz1wfPwOO for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [212.3.14.205]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A561B29CA for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:04:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from 68_1e_mfp.printers.eeghlan.net (h87-96-134-129.dynamic.se.alltele.net [87.96.134.129]) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 236CA93DE55; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 07:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FF2A794D-044E-4DC3-AC88-F7FD32B509F4"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) From: "Olle E. Johansson" In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 08:04:43 +0100 Message-Id: <83BE167B-15C3-4727-9E9B-1BF2EC82D105@edvina.net> References: <8119825D-F91F-4494-AE59-39E3956B02F1@nostrum.com> To: "Peterson, Jon" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Cc: DISPATCH , Ben Campbell Subject: Re: [dispatch] Reminder: Deadlines for IETF-95 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 07:05:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FF2A794D-044E-4DC3-AC88-F7FD32B509F4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On 01 Mar 2016, at 00:53, Peterson, Jon wrote: > > > I just wanted to confirm that Ben here is correct. This idea came out of a > discussion in Yokohama about identifying the best practices for media > security when setting up sessions with SIP, and in particular the glue > that binds security in SIP to SDP and to RTP. This would invoke things > like STIR, and would also potentially nod to more opportunistic approaches > like those outlined in Alan's draft, as media confidentiality is one of > the more important security properties in this post-PERPASS world of ours. > > So, we expect to have a draft before the deadline - happy to discuss the > general topic here in the meantime if there's interest. I really look forward to this work. Thank you for starting it! /Olle > > Jon Peterson > Neustar, Inc. > > On 2/11/16, 5:56 PM, "dispatch on behalf of Ben Campbell" > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I understand that Jon, Ekr, Richard, and Russ plan to submit a draft on >> security recommendations for point-to-point, SIP-signaled RTP in time >> for Buenos Aires. While I would be pleasantly surprised if the >> discussion is far enough along by then for a charter proposal, I think >> discussion in DISPATCH would be worthwhile. >> >> So, please consider this notice of their intent to propose a discussion >> topic, on their behalf. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Ben. >> >> On 10 Feb 2016, at 7:54, Mary Barnes wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Just a reminder of the DISPATCH WG deadlines for IETF-95: >>> https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dispatch/trac/wiki >>> >>> >>> - February 22, 2016. Cutoff date to notify the chairs/DISPATCH WG of >>> plans to submit a proposal. >>> >>> >>> - February 29, 2016. Cutoff for charter proposals for topics. >>> >>> >>> - March 7, 2016. Announcement of topics that have been dispatched for >>> IETF-95. >>> >>> >>> - March 21, 2016. 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Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.79.117.220 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:30:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8119825D-F91F-4494-AE59-39E3956B02F1@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:30:50 -0800 Message-ID: From: Alan Johnston To: "Peterson, Jon" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a8ab0a3da3a052cf7be88 Archived-At: Cc: DISPATCH , Ben Campbell Subject: Re: [dispatch] Reminder: Deadlines for IETF-95 X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 07:30:53 -0000 --047d7b3a8ab0a3da3a052cf7be88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Jon, The draft sounds interesting. We have revised the OSRTP draft as well based on feedback from Yokohama. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-johnston-dispatch-osrtp - Alan - On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Peterson, Jon wrote: > > I just wanted to confirm that Ben here is correct. This idea came out of a > discussion in Yokohama about identifying the best practices for media > security when setting up sessions with SIP, and in particular the glue > that binds security in SIP to SDP and to RTP. This would invoke things > like STIR, and would also potentially nod to more opportunistic approaches > like those outlined in Alan's draft, as media confidentiality is one of > the more important security properties in this post-PERPASS world of ours. > > So, we expect to have a draft before the deadline - happy to discuss the > general topic here in the meantime if there's interest. > > Jon Peterson > Neustar, Inc. > > On 2/11/16, 5:56 PM, "dispatch on behalf of Ben Campbell" > wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I understand that Jon, Ekr, Richard, and Russ plan to submit a draft on > >security recommendations for point-to-point, SIP-signaled RTP in time > >for Buenos Aires. While I would be pleasantly surprised if the > >discussion is far enough along by then for a charter proposal, I think > >discussion in DISPATCH would be worthwhile. > > > >So, please consider this notice of their intent to propose a discussion > >topic, on their behalf. > > > >Thanks! > > > >Ben. > > > >On 10 Feb 2016, at 7:54, Mary Barnes wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Just a reminder of the DISPATCH WG deadlines for IETF-95: > >> https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dispatch/trac/wiki > >> > >> > >> - February 22, 2016. Cutoff date to notify the chairs/DISPATCH WG of > >> plans to submit a proposal. > >> > >> > >> - February 29, 2016. Cutoff for charter proposals for topics. > >> > >> > >> - March 7, 2016. Announcement of topics that have been dispatched for > >> IETF-95. > >> > >> > >> - March 21, 2016. Draft deadline. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> Mary > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dispatch mailing list > >> dispatch@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dispatch mailing list > >dispatch@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > --047d7b3a8ab0a3da3a052cf7be88 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jon,

The draft sounds interesting.

We have revised the OSRTP draft as well based on fe= edback from Yokohama.


= - Alan -

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Peterson, Jon <jon.peterson@neu= star.biz> wrote:

I just wanted to confirm that Ben here is correct. This idea came out of a<= br> discussion in Yokohama about identifying the best practices for media
security when setting up sessions with SIP, and in particular the glue
that binds security in SIP to SDP and to RTP. This would invoke things
like STIR, and would also potentially nod to more opportunistic approaches<= br> like those outlined in Alan's draft, as media confidentiality is one of=
the more important security properties in this post-PERPASS world of ours.<= br>
So, we expect to have a draft before the deadline - happy to discuss the general topic here in the meantime if there's interest.

Jon Peterson
Neustar, Inc.

On 2/11/16, 5:56 PM, "dispatch on behalf of Ben Campbell"
<dispatch-bounces@ietf.org<= /a> on behalf of ben@nostrum.com>= wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I understand that Jon, Ekr, Richard, and Russ plan to submit a draft on=
>security recommendations for point-to-point, SIP-signaled RTP in time >for Buenos Aires. While I would be pleasantly surprised if the
>discussion is far enough along by then for a charter proposal, I think<= br> >discussion in DISPATCH would be worthwhile.
>
>So, please consider this notice of their intent to propose a discussion=
>topic, on their behalf.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Ben.
>
>On 10 Feb 2016, at 7:54, Mary Barnes wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just a reminder of the DISPATCH WG deadlines for IETF-95:
>> https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dispatch/t= rac/wiki
>>
>>
>>=C2=A0 - February 22, 2016. Cutoff date to notify the chairs/DISPAT= CH WG of
>>=C2=A0 plans to submit a proposal.
>>
>>
>>=C2=A0 - February 29, 2016. Cutoff for charter proposals for topics= .
>>
>>
>>=C2=A0 - March 7, 2016. Announcement of topics that have been dispa= tched for
>>=C2=A0 IETF-95.
>>
>>
>>=C2=A0 - March 21, 2016. Draft deadline.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mary
>> _______________________________________________
>> dispatch mailing list
>> dispatch@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatc= h
>
>_______________________________________________
>dispatch mailing list
>dispatch@ietf.org
>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch=

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