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On Fri, Sep 29, 2017, at 03:58, Dale R. Worley wrote:
> To what degree is this addressing actual
> failures of iCal (e.g., where iCal is ambiguous) and to what degree is
> it just *simpler* for the implementor? 

Two common pitfalls in iCalendar are embedded, custom timezones as well
as time-span definitions that overlap daylight-savings time boundaries.
JSCalendar addresses this by restricting timezones to the common IANA
timezone definitions and requiring time-spans to be expressed by
durations. In both cases, iCalendar per spec wasn't ambiguous, but in
practice has shown to confuse many implementations about the intent of
the calendar object creator.

> to what degree does the simplicity of
> JSCalendar simply push work back into the interface between the
> calendaring system and the JSCalendar interface?

Moving away from iCalendar format to JSON makes it actually simpler on
both client and server implementations to handle the wire format.
Feature-wise there isn't additional effort due to the data model, it's
very much in line with iCalendar.

> I suspect that in practice, semantic upward-compatibility from iCal will
> be important. 
> You mention in section 1 item 3, "a conversion between
> the data formats is not guaranteed to be completed without losing
> semantic meaning".  What exactly are the incompatibilities?

In Cyrus IMAPd, we store calendar objects in iCalendar format on disk
and serve them in JSCalendar format; compatibility with iCalendar is
important to us. I also know of other vendors who implemented a draft
version of JSCalendar to serve both formats with success. We take the
liberty to be incompatible with iCalendar where it benefits users and
allows richer semantics.

Notable differences are the ability to define multiple owners for an
event (versus a single ORGANIZER in iCalendar), the ability to localize
all text properties (versus a single allowed SUMMARY in iCalendar), the
ability to relate participants with locations and multi-location events
(e.g. a meeting that has participants attending by video, audio and
on-premises vs. a single LOCATION property in iCalendar). Probably we'll
also propose to allow rich-text descriptions similar to HTML email
bodies (versus plain-text only DESCRIPTION in iCalendar), but that's
undecided, yet.

Cheers,
Robert


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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>As a reminder the deadlines for=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Dispatch WG of the IETF.

        Title           : ECMAScript Media Types Updates
        Authors         : Bradley Farias
                          Matthew A. Miller
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-00.txt
	Pages           : 21
	Date            : 2017-10-08

Abstract:
   This document proposes updates to the ECMAScript media types,
   superseding the existing registrations for "application/javascript"
   and "text/javascript" by adding an additional extension and removing
   usage warnings.  This document updates RFC4329, "Scripting Media
   Types".


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Dear Alexey Melnikov,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
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dispatch Session 1 (1:30:00)
    Monday, Morning Session I 0930-1200
    Room Name: Collyer size: 250
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Special Note: 0930-1100 Joint with ARTAREA


Request Information:


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Session Requester: Alexey Melnikov

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Dispatch WG of the IETF.

        Title           : ECMAScript Media Types Updates
        Authors         : Bradley Farias
                          Matthew A. Miller
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-01.txt
	Pages           : 21
	Date            : 2017-10-30

Abstract:
   This document proposes updates to the ECMAScript media types,
   superseding the existing registrations for "application/javascript"
   and "text/javascript" by adding an additional extension and removing
   usage warnings.  This document updates RFC4329, "Scripting Media
   Types".


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(strictly as an individual)

Hi everyone,

Russ and I submitted a draft [1] on the use of S/MIME for the SIP =
MESSAGE method and for MSRP. It mainly offers clarifications of the =
S/MIME guidance in RFCs 3261, 3428, and 4975, but it also makes a few =
updates.

The main use case we have in mind is for where organizations want to =
send secure notifications to their users. For example, financial =
organizations send transaction notices, organizations send password =
update notices, 2FA notices, etc. Much of that is currently done over =
various mobile messaging systems (SMS, etc). Most of that is done with =
no e2e authentication or integrity protection. We=E2=80=99d like to =
enable at least end-to-end signed messaging for SIP based mobile =
messaging systems.

We would appreciate it if people would take a look, and send your =
comments.

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-campbell-sip-messaging-smime-00

Thanks!

Ben.

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