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One clarification (as co-chair):

There was consensus to recommend the formation of a mini wg to the ADs. =
The IESG makes the final decision about wg formation. It=E2=80=99s a =
subtle but important distinction :-)

(I have not yet reviewed the charter proposal itself.)

Thanks!

Ben.

> On Jan 5, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Kaustubh Inamdar (kinamdar) =
<kinamdar@cisco.com> wrote:
>=20
> All,
> Following the presentation of SIP Auto Peer at IETF 106, Singapore =
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-peer-01 =
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-peer-01>) =
, there was consensus to form a mini workgroup to take this effort =
forward. To that end, we are looking to build consensus on a charter. =
The prosed charter can be found below. Comments, reviews, suggestions =
are welcome.
> =20
> =20
> PRPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And Peering)
> =20
> =20
> The deployment of a Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)-based =
infrastructure in enterprise and service provider communication networks =
is increasing at a rapid pace. Consequently, direct IP peering between =
enterprise and service provider networks is quickly replacing =
traditional methods of interconnection between enterprise and service =
provider networks.
>=20
> Currently published standards provide a strong foundation over which =
direct IP peering can be realized. However, given the sheer number of =
these standards, it is often not clear which behavioural subsets, =
extensions to baseline protocols and operating principles ought to be =
configured by the enterprise network administrator to ensure successful =
peering with a SIP service provider network. This lack of context often =
leads to interoperability issues between enterprise and service provider =
SIP networks resulting in a large number of support cases being opened =
with enterprise equipment manufacturers and SIP service providers. =
Subsequently, deployment times for SIP trunking between enterprise and =
service provider networks increase significantly.=20
>=20
> This work would define a descriptive capability set, which is =
populated by a SIP service provider, and which, when communicated to an =
enterprise network, provides the enterprise network with sufficient =
information to setup SIP trunking with the SIP service provider. Such a =
capability set would not only result in SIP trunking deployment times =
being drastically scaled down, but also would result in a significant =
decrease in interoperability issues between enterprise and service =
provider network. Additionally, operational costs for service providers =
and enterprise equipment manufactures would likely decrease as a result =
of fewer support cases.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> The scope of activity includes:
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Define a robust capability set which encapsulates sufficient =
information to ensure smooth IP peering between enterprise and service =
provider SIP networks.
> Define a data model for the capability set.
> Extensibility of the data model to allow proprietary parameters to be =
encoded.
> A transport mechanism using which the capability set is communicated =
from the service provider network to the enterprise network.
> This working group will not:
>=20
> Define any extensions to SIP.
> Provide a workflow/mechanism that allows service providers to directly =
configure devices in the enterprise network.
> =20
>=20
> The group will produce
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Requirements, Use Cases and Architecture draft.
> Specification for SIP Auto Peer.
> =20
>=20
> Milestones:
>=20
> =20
>=20
> <Date TBD> Send architecture draft to IESG
>=20
> <Date TBD> Send protocol specification draft to IESG
>=20
> =20
> Thanks,
> Kaustubh
> =20
> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">One =
clarification (as co-chair):<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">There was consensus to recommend the formation of a mini wg =
to the ADs. The IESG makes the final decision about wg formation. It=E2=80=
=99s a subtle but important distinction :-)</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">(I have not yet reviewed the charter =
proposal itself.)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Thanks!</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Ben.<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jan 5, 2020, at 7:42 PM, =
Kaustubh Inamdar (kinamdar) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kinamdar@cisco.com" =
class=3D"">kinamdar@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">All,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">Following the =
presentation of SIP Auto Peer at IETF 106, Singapore (<a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-peer-=
01" style=3D"color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-pe=
er-01</a>) , there was consensus to form a mini workgroup to take this =
effort forward. To that end, we are looking to build consensus on a =
charter. The prosed charter can be found below. Comments, reviews, =
suggestions are welcome.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt;" class=3D"">PRPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And =
Peering)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D""><o:p=
 class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 26pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><p =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">The deployment of a Session Initiation Protocol =
(SIP)-based infrastructure in enterprise and service provider =
communication networks is increasing at a rapid pace. Consequently, =
direct IP peering between enterprise and service provider networks is =
quickly replacing traditional methods of interconnection between =
enterprise and service provider networks.</span><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Currently published standards provide a strong foundation =
over which direct IP peering can be realized. However, given the sheer =
number of these standards, it is often not clear which behavioural =
subsets, extensions to baseline protocols and operating principles ought =
to be configured by the enterprise network administrator to ensure =
successful peering with a SIP service provider network. This lack of =
context often leads to interoperability issues between enterprise and =
service provider SIP networks resulting in a large number of support =
cases being opened with enterprise equipment manufacturers and SIP =
service providers. Subsequently, deployment times for SIP trunking =
between enterprise and service provider networks increase =
significantly.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">This work would define a descriptive capability set, which is =
populated by a SIP service provider, and which, when communicated to an =
enterprise network, provides the enterprise network with sufficient =
information to setup SIP trunking with the SIP service provider. Such a =
capability set would not only result in SIP trunking deployment times =
being drastically scaled down, but also would result in a significant =
decrease in interoperability issues between enterprise and service =
provider network. Additionally, operational costs for service providers =
and enterprise equipment manufactures would likely decrease as a result =
of fewer support cases.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">The scope of activity includes:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><ul type=3D"disc" =
style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=3D""><li =
style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: -14pt;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Define a robust capability set which =
encapsulates sufficient information to ensure smooth IP peering between =
enterprise and service provider SIP networks.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></li><li style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: -14pt;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Define a data model for the capability set.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></li><li style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: -14pt;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Extensibility of the data model to allow proprietary =
parameters to be encoded.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></li><li =
style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: -14pt;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">A transport mechanism using which the capability =
set is communicated from the service provider network to the enterprise =
network.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style=3D"margin-right: =
0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">This working group will not:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><ul type=3D"disc" style=3D"margin-bottom: =
0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=3D""><li style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: -14pt;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Define any extensions to SIP.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></li><li style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: -14pt;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Provide a workflow/mechanism that allows service providers to =
directly configure devices in the enterprise network.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">The group will produce<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><ul type=3D"disc" =
style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=3D""><li =
style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: -14pt;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Requirements, Use Cases and Architecture =
draft.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></li><li style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: -14pt;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Specification for SIP Auto Peer.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></li></ul><p style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Milestones:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&lt;Date TBD&gt; Send architecture draft to =
IESG<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0cm;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&lt;Date TBD&gt; Send protocol specification draft to =
IESG</span><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Times =
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class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D"">Thanks,<br class=3D"">Kaustubh<o:p =
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On 1/5/20 11:17 PM, Kaustubh Inamdar (kinamdar) wrote:
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> The group will produce
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> ·Requirements, Use Cases and Architecture draft.
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> ·Specification for SIP Auto Peer.
>
> This workgroup will co-ordinate with the SIP Core workgroup and the 
> SIPConnect efforts carried out by the SIP Forum.
>
> Milestones:
>
> <Date TBD> Send architecture draft to IESG
>
> <Date TBD> Send protocol specification draft to IESG
>

A quick comment on the first milestone -- while this is probably a 
worthwhile document to develop inside the working group to ensure that 
the solution does what it sets out to do, it may not make sense to send 
it to the IESG for publication. Read and consider the text at 
<https://ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/support-documents/>; if 
you still believe that the architecture document needs to be published 
as an RFC, please explain why as part of the charter.

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/5/20 11:17 PM, Kaustubh Inamdar
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      <p class="p3"><span class="s1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This
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            the SIPConnect efforts carried out by the SIP Forum.</span></span><span
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      <p class="p3"><span class="s1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></span><span
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      <p class="p3"><span class="s1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">&lt;Date
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    <p>A quick comment on the first milestone -- while this is probably
      a worthwhile document to develop inside the working group to
      ensure that the solution does what it sets out to do, it may not
      make sense to send it to the IESG for publication. Read and
      consider the text at
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/support-documents/">&lt;https://ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/support-documents/&gt;</a>;
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(as individual participant)

Hi,

I think this is generally on the right track, but I do have some =
comments.

I agree with Adam=E2=80=99s comment about an architecture draft going to =
the IESG. There=E2=80=99s been a lot of pushback from the IESG on =
publishing such documents as RFCs without a good argument about it=E2=80=99=
s archival value.=20

Further along those lines, I=E2=80=99d suggest leaving flexibility so =
any resulting WG can decide how to structure the remaining documents. =
That is, rather than saying sending a =E2=80=9C protocol specification =
draft=E2=80=9D to the IESG, you can talking about sending the =
=E2=80=9Cprotocol specification=E2=80=9D. The work group could later =
decide to organize that as one or more drafts as they see fit.

I assume from the fact that SIP extensions are not in scope that doing =
this over HTTP(s) is a foregone conclusion. If so, the charter needs to =
say that. Also, is the scope limited to enterprise use cases?

When you say the wg will not provide a mechanism for a enterprise =
network, do you mean that it must not be possible to use the =
mechanism(s) that way, or that such uses are simply out-of-scope? I =
suspect the second, in which case I suggest the statement that =E2=80=9CTh=
e group will not=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D be reformulated along the lines of =
=E2=80=9CThe following is out of scope=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

Thanks!

Ben.


> On Jan 5, 2020, at 11:17 PM, Kaustubh Inamdar (kinamdar) =
<kinamdar@cisco.com> wrote:
>=20
> Slight modification to the proposed charter=E2=80=A6
> =20
> PROPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And Peering)
> =20
> =20
> The deployment of a Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)-based =
infrastructure in enterprise and service provider communication networks =
is increasing at a rapid pace. Consequently, direct IP peering between =
enterprise and service provider networks is quickly replacing =
traditional methods of interconnection between enterprise and service =
provider networks.
> Currently published standards provide a strong foundation over which =
direct IP peering can be realized. However, given the sheer number of =
these standards, it is often not clear which behavioural subsets, =
extensions to baseline protocols and operating principles ought to be =
configured by the enterprise network administrator to ensure successful =
peering with a SIP service provider network. This lack of context often =
leads to interoperability issues between enterprise and service provider =
SIP networks resulting in a large number of support cases being opened =
with enterprise equipment manufacturers and SIP service providers. =
Subsequently, deployment times for SIP trunking between enterprise and =
service provider networks increase significantly.=20
> This work would define a descriptive capability set, which is =
populated by a SIP service provider, and which, when communicated to an =
enterprise network, provides the enterprise network with sufficient =
information to setup SIP trunking with the SIP service provider. Such a =
capability set would not only result in SIP trunking deployment times =
being drastically scaled down, but also would result in a significant =
decrease in interoperability issues between enterprise and service =
provider network. Additionally, operational costs for service providers =
and enterprise equipment manufactures would likely decrease as a result =
of fewer support cases.
> =20
> The scope of activity includes:
> =20
> =C2=B7         Define a robust capability set which encapsulates =
sufficient information to ensure smooth IP peering between enterprise =
and service provider SIP networks.
> =C2=B7         Define a data model for the capability set.
> =C2=B7         Extensibility of the data model to allow proprietary =
parameters to be encoded.
> =C2=B7         A transport mechanism using which the capability set is =
communicated from the service provider network to the enterprise =
network.
> This working group will not:
> =C2=B7         Define any extensions to SIP.
> =C2=B7         Provide a workflow/mechanism that allows service =
providers to directly configure devices in the enterprise network.
> =20
> The group will produce
> =20
> =C2=B7         Requirements, Use Cases and Architecture draft.
> =C2=B7         Specification for SIP Auto Peer.
> =20
> This workgroup will co-ordinate with the SIP Core workgroup and the =
SIPConnect efforts carried out by the SIP Forum.
> =20
> Milestones:
> =20
> <Date TBD> Send architecture draft to IESG
> <Date TBD> Send protocol specification draft to IESG
> =20
> =20
> Thanks,
> Kaustubh
> =20
> =20
> From: Kaustubh Inamdar <kinamdar@cisco.com>
> Date: Monday, 6 January 2020 at 07:12
> To: "dispatch@ietf.org" <dispatch@ietf.org>
> Cc: "dispatch-chairs@ietf.org" <dispatch-chairs@ietf.org>, Cullen =
Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca>
> Subject: PROPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And =
Peering)
> =20
> All,
> Following the presentation of SIP Auto Peer at IETF 106, Singapore =
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-peer-01 =
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-peer-01>) =
, there was consensus to form a mini workgroup to take this effort =
forward. To that end, we are looking to build consensus on a charter. =
The prosed charter can be found below. Comments, reviews, suggestions =
are welcome.
> =20
> =20
> PRPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And Peering)
> =20
> =20
> The deployment of a Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)-based =
infrastructure in enterprise and service provider communication networks =
is increasing at a rapid pace. Consequently, direct IP peering between =
enterprise and service provider networks is quickly replacing =
traditional methods of interconnection between enterprise and service =
provider networks.
>=20
> Currently published standards provide a strong foundation over which =
direct IP peering can be realized. However, given the sheer number of =
these standards, it is often not clear which behavioural subsets, =
extensions to baseline protocols and operating principles ought to be =
configured by the enterprise network administrator to ensure successful =
peering with a SIP service provider network. This lack of context often =
leads to interoperability issues between enterprise and service provider =
SIP networks resulting in a large number of support cases being opened =
with enterprise equipment manufacturers and SIP service providers. =
Subsequently, deployment times for SIP trunking between enterprise and =
service provider networks increase significantly.
>=20
> This work would define a descriptive capability set, which is =
populated by a SIP service provider, and which, when communicated to an =
enterprise network, provides the enterprise network with sufficient =
information to setup SIP trunking with the SIP service provider. Such a =
capability set would not only result in SIP trunking deployment times =
being drastically scaled down, but also would result in a significant =
decrease in interoperability issues between enterprise and service =
provider network. Additionally, operational costs for service providers =
and enterprise equipment manufactures would likely decrease as a result =
of fewer support cases.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> The scope of activity includes:
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Define a robust capability set which encapsulates sufficient =
information to ensure smooth IP peering between enterprise and service =
provider SIP networks.
> Define a data model for the capability set.
> Extensibility of the data model to allow proprietary parameters to be =
encoded.
> A transport mechanism using which the capability set is communicated =
from the service provider network to the enterprise network.
> This working group will not:
>=20
> Define any extensions to SIP.
> Provide a workflow/mechanism that allows service providers to directly =
configure devices in the enterprise network.
> =20
>=20
> The group will produce
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Requirements, Use Cases and Architecture draft.
> Specification for SIP Auto Peer.
> =20
>=20
> Milestones:
>=20
> =20
>=20
> <Date TBD> Send architecture draft to IESG
>=20
> <Date TBD> Send protocol specification draft to IESG
>=20
> =20
> Thanks,
> Kaustubh
> =20
> =20
> _______________________________________________
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class=3D""></div>Hi,<div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I think this is generally on the right =
track, but I do have some comments.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I agree with Adam=E2=80=99s comment =
about an architecture draft going to the IESG. There=E2=80=99s been a =
lot of pushback from the IESG on publishing such documents as RFCs =
without a good argument about it=E2=80=99s archival =
value.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Further along those lines, I=E2=80=99d suggest leaving =
flexibility so any resulting WG can decide how to structure the =
remaining documents. That is, rather than saying sending a =E2=80=9C =
protocol specification draft=E2=80=9D to the IESG, you can talking about =
sending the =E2=80=9Cprotocol specification=E2=80=9D. The work group =
could later decide to organize that as one or more drafts as they see =
fit.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I assume =
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class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">When you say the wg will =
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<div lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"purple" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"WordSection1"><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">Slight modification to the =
proposed charter=E2=80=A6<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p1"><span =
class=3D"s1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">PROPOSED =
CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And Peering)</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p2"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">The deployment of a Session =
Initiation Protocol (SIP)-based infrastructure in enterprise and service =
provider communication networks is increasing at a rapid pace. =
Consequently, direct IP peering
 between enterprise and service provider networks is quickly replacing =
traditional methods of interconnection between enterprise and service =
provider networks.</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p1"><span =
class=3D"s1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">Currently =
published standards provide a strong foundation over which direct IP =
peering can be realized. However, given the sheer number of these =
standards, it is often not clear which behavioural
 subsets, extensions to baseline protocols and operating principles =
ought to be configured by the enterprise network administrator to ensure =
successful peering with a SIP service provider network. This lack of =
context often leads to interoperability issues
 between enterprise and service provider SIP networks resulting in a =
large number of support cases being opened with enterprise equipment =
manufacturers and SIP service providers. Subsequently, deployment times =
for SIP trunking between enterprise and service
 provider networks increase significantly.&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">This work would define a =
descriptive capability set, which is populated by a SIP service =
provider, and which, when communicated to an enterprise network, =
provides the enterprise network with sufficient
 information to setup SIP trunking with the SIP service provider. Such a =
capability set would not only result in SIP trunking deployment times =
being drastically scaled down, but also would result in a significant =
decrease in interoperability issues between
 enterprise and service provider network. Additionally, operational =
costs for service providers and enterprise equipment manufactures would =
likely decrease as a result of fewer support cases.</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">The scope of activity =
includes:</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s2"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">=C2=B7</span></span><span =
class=3D"s3"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></=
span><span class=3D"s1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">Define=
 a robust capability set which encapsulates sufficient
 information to ensure smooth IP peering between enterprise and service =
provider SIP networks.</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span =
class=3D"s2"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">=C2=B7</span></span><span class=3D"s3"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></=
span><span class=3D"s1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">Define=
 a data model for the capability set.</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s2"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">=C2=B7</span></span><span =
class=3D"s3"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></=
span><span class=3D"s1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">Extensibility of the data model to allow proprietary =
parameters
 to be encoded.</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span =
class=3D"s2"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">=C2=B7</span></span><span class=3D"s3"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></=
span><span class=3D"s1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">A =
transport mechanism using which the capability set is communicated
 from the service provider network to the enterprise =
network.</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">This working group will =
not:</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s2"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">=C2=B7</span></span><span =
class=3D"s3"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></=
span><span class=3D"s1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">Define=
 any extensions to SIP.</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span =
class=3D"s2"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">=C2=B7</span></span><span class=3D"s3"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></=
span><span class=3D"s1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">Provide a workflow/mechanism that allows service providers to
 directly configure devices in the enterprise =
network.</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">The group will =
produce</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s2"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">=C2=B7</span></span><span =
class=3D"s3"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></=
span><span class=3D"s1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">Requirements, Use Cases and Architecture =
draft.</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s2"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">=C2=B7</span></span><span =
class=3D"s3"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></=
span><span class=3D"s1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">Specification for SIP Auto Peer.</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p4"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span =
class=3D"s1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">This workgroup =
will co-ordinate with the SIP Core workgroup and the SIPConnect efforts =
carried out by the SIP Forum.</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">Milestones:</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s1"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">&lt;Date TBD&gt; Send architecture =
draft to IESG</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"p3"><span =
class=3D"s1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">&lt;Date =
TBD&gt; Send protocol specification draft to IESG</span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div>
<div class=3D""><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">Thanks,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">Kaustubh<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div>
</div><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0cm 0cm 0cm" class=3D""><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"" class=3D"">From: </span></b><span style=3D"" =
class=3D"">Kaustubh Inamdar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kinamdar@cisco.com" =
class=3D"">kinamdar@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">
<b class=3D"">Date: </b>Monday, 6 January 2020 at 07:12<br class=3D"">
<b class=3D"">To: </b>"<a href=3D"mailto:dispatch@ietf.org" =
class=3D"">dispatch@ietf.org</a>" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dispatch@ietf.org"=
 class=3D"">dispatch@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">
<b class=3D"">Cc: </b>"<a href=3D"mailto:dispatch-chairs@ietf.org" =
class=3D"">dispatch-chairs@ietf.org</a>" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dispatch-chairs@ietf.org" =
class=3D"">dispatch-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;, Cullen Jennings &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fluffy@iii.ca" class=3D"">fluffy@iii.ca</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D"">
<b class=3D"">Subject: </b>PROPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP =
trunking And Peering)</span><span style=3D"" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D""><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div>
</div><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">All,</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">Following the presentation of SIP =
Auto Peer at IETF 106, Singapore (<a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-peer-=
01" =
class=3D"">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-pe=
er-01</a>)
 , there was consensus to form a mini workgroup to take this effort =
forward. To that end, we are looking to build consensus on a charter. =
The prosed charter can be found below. Comments, reviews, suggestions =
are welcome.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">PRPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And =
Peering)</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: =
26pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;marg=
in-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">The deployment of a Session Initiation =
Protocol (SIP)-based infrastructure in enterprise and service provider =
communication networks is increasing at a rapid pace. Consequently, =
direct IP peering between enterprise and service provider
 networks is quickly replacing traditional methods of interconnection =
between enterprise and service provider networks.</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">Currently published standards provide a =
strong foundation over which direct IP peering can be realized. However, =
given the sheer number of these standards, it is often not clear which =
behavioural subsets, extensions to baseline protocols
 and operating principles ought to be configured by the enterprise =
network administrator to ensure successful peering with a SIP service =
provider network. This lack of context often leads to interoperability =
issues between enterprise and service provider SIP
 networks resulting in a large number of support cases being opened with =
enterprise equipment manufacturers and SIP service providers. =
Subsequently, deployment times for SIP trunking between enterprise and =
service provider networks increase significantly.
</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">This work would define a descriptive =
capability set, which is populated by a SIP service provider, and which, =
when communicated to an enterprise network, provides the enterprise =
network with sufficient information to setup SIP trunking
 with the SIP service provider. Such a capability set would not only =
result in SIP trunking deployment times being drastically scaled down, =
but also would result in a significant decrease in interoperability =
issues between enterprise and service provider network.
 Additionally, operational costs for service providers and enterprise =
equipment manufactures would likely decrease as a result of fewer =
support cases.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">The scope of activity includes:</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0cm" type=3D"disc" class=3D"">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt; =
margin-left: -14pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" =
class=3D"">Define a robust capability set which encapsulates sufficient =
information to ensure smooth IP peering between enterprise and service =
provider SIP networks.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></li><li =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt; =
margin-left: -14pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" =
class=3D"">Define a data model for the capability set.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: =
12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: -14pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" =
class=3D"">Extensibility of the data model to allow proprietary =
parameters to be encoded.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></li><li =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt; =
margin-left: -14pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" class=3D"">A =
transport mechanism using which the capability set is communicated from =
the service provider network to the enterprise network.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></li></ul><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">This working group will not:</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0cm" type=3D"disc" class=3D"">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt; =
margin-left: -14pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" =
class=3D"">Define any extensions to SIP.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: =
12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: -14pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" =
class=3D"">Provide a workflow/mechanism that allows service providers to =
directly configure devices in the enterprise network.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></li></ul><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">The group will produce</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0cm" type=3D"disc" class=3D"">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt; =
margin-left: -14pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" =
class=3D"">Requirements, Use Cases and Architecture draft.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: =
12pt; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: -14pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" =
class=3D"">Specification for SIP Auto Peer.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></li></ul><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">Milestones:</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p=
 =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">&lt;Date TBD&gt; Send architecture draft to =
IESG</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:0cm" class=3D"">
<span style=3D"" class=3D"">&lt;Date TBD&gt; Send protocol specification =
draft to IESG</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p=
 class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" class=3D"">Thanks,<br =
class=3D"">
Kaustubh</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>

_______________________________________________<br class=3D"">dispatch =
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(still individual)

Oops, I forgot a question: Is discovery in scope? I assume so, from the =
TBD section in draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-peer-01. If so, it=E2=80=99=
s worth mentioning in the charter.

Thanks!

Ben.


> On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:
>=20
> (as individual participant)
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I think this is generally on the right track, but I do have some =
comments.
>=20
> I agree with Adam=E2=80=99s comment about an architecture draft going =
to the IESG. There=E2=80=99s been a lot of pushback from the IESG on =
publishing such documents as RFCs without a good argument about it=E2=80=99=
s archival value.=20
>=20
> Further along those lines, I=E2=80=99d suggest leaving flexibility so =
any resulting WG can decide how to structure the remaining documents. =
That is, rather than saying sending a =E2=80=9C protocol specification =
draft=E2=80=9D to the IESG, you can talking about sending the =
=E2=80=9Cprotocol specification=E2=80=9D. The work group could later =
decide to organize that as one or more drafts as they see fit.
>=20
> I assume from the fact that SIP extensions are not in scope that doing =
this over HTTP(s) is a foregone conclusion. If so, the charter needs to =
say that. Also, is the scope limited to enterprise use cases?
>=20
> When you say the wg will not provide a mechanism for a enterprise =
network, do you mean that it must not be possible to use the =
mechanism(s) that way, or that such uses are simply out-of-scope? I =
suspect the second, in which case I suggest the statement that =E2=80=9CTh=
e group will not=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D be reformulated along the lines of =
=E2=80=9CThe following is out of scope=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D
>=20
> Thanks!
>=20
> Ben.
>=20
>=20
>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 11:17 PM, Kaustubh Inamdar (kinamdar) =
<kinamdar@cisco.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Slight modification to the proposed charter=E2=80=A6
>> =20
>> PROPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And Peering)
>> =20
>> =20
>> The deployment of a Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)-based =
infrastructure in enterprise and service provider communication networks =
is increasing at a rapid pace. Consequently, direct IP peering between =
enterprise and service provider networks is quickly replacing =
traditional methods of interconnection between enterprise and service =
provider networks.
>> Currently published standards provide a strong foundation over which =
direct IP peering can be realized. However, given the sheer number of =
these standards, it is often not clear which behavioural subsets, =
extensions to baseline protocols and operating principles ought to be =
configured by the enterprise network administrator to ensure successful =
peering with a SIP service provider network. This lack of context often =
leads to interoperability issues between enterprise and service provider =
SIP networks resulting in a large number of support cases being opened =
with enterprise equipment manufacturers and SIP service providers. =
Subsequently, deployment times for SIP trunking between enterprise and =
service provider networks increase significantly.=20
>> This work would define a descriptive capability set, which is =
populated by a SIP service provider, and which, when communicated to an =
enterprise network, provides the enterprise network with sufficient =
information to setup SIP trunking with the SIP service provider. Such a =
capability set would not only result in SIP trunking deployment times =
being drastically scaled down, but also would result in a significant =
decrease in interoperability issues between enterprise and service =
provider network. Additionally, operational costs for service providers =
and enterprise equipment manufactures would likely decrease as a result =
of fewer support cases.
>> =20
>> The scope of activity includes:
>> =20
>> =C2=B7         Define a robust capability set which encapsulates =
sufficient information to ensure smooth IP peering between enterprise =
and service provider SIP networks.
>> =C2=B7         Define a data model for the capability set.
>> =C2=B7         Extensibility of the data model to allow proprietary =
parameters to be encoded.
>> =C2=B7         A transport mechanism using which the capability set =
is communicated from the service provider network to the enterprise =
network.
>> This working group will not:
>> =C2=B7         Define any extensions to SIP.
>> =C2=B7         Provide a workflow/mechanism that allows service =
providers to directly configure devices in the enterprise network.
>> =20
>> The group will produce
>> =20
>> =C2=B7         Requirements, Use Cases and Architecture draft.
>> =C2=B7         Specification for SIP Auto Peer.
>> =20
>> This workgroup will co-ordinate with the SIP Core workgroup and the =
SIPConnect efforts carried out by the SIP Forum.
>> =20
>> Milestones:
>> =20
>> <Date TBD> Send architecture draft to IESG
>> <Date TBD> Send protocol specification draft to IESG
>> =20
>> =20
>> Thanks,
>> Kaustubh
>> =20
>> =20
>> From: Kaustubh Inamdar <kinamdar@cisco.com>
>> Date: Monday, 6 January 2020 at 07:12
>> To: "dispatch@ietf.org" <dispatch@ietf.org>
>> Cc: "dispatch-chairs@ietf.org" <dispatch-chairs@ietf.org>, Cullen =
Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca>
>> Subject: PROPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And =
Peering)
>> =20
>> All,
>> Following the presentation of SIP Auto Peer at IETF 106, Singapore =
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-peer-01) , =
there was consensus to form a mini workgroup to take this effort =
forward. To that end, we are looking to build consensus on a charter. =
The prosed charter can be found below. Comments, reviews, suggestions =
are welcome.
>> =20
>> =20
>> PRPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And Peering)
>> =20
>> =20
>> The deployment of a Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)-based =
infrastructure in enterprise and service provider communication networks =
is increasing at a rapid pace. Consequently, direct IP peering between =
enterprise and service provider networks is quickly replacing =
traditional methods of interconnection between enterprise and service =
provider networks.
>>=20
>> Currently published standards provide a strong foundation over which =
direct IP peering can be realized. However, given the sheer number of =
these standards, it is often not clear which behavioural subsets, =
extensions to baseline protocols and operating principles ought to be =
configured by the enterprise network administrator to ensure successful =
peering with a SIP service provider network. This lack of context often =
leads to interoperability issues between enterprise and service provider =
SIP networks resulting in a large number of support cases being opened =
with enterprise equipment manufacturers and SIP service providers. =
Subsequently, deployment times for SIP trunking between enterprise and =
service provider networks increase significantly.
>>=20
>> This work would define a descriptive capability set, which is =
populated by a SIP service provider, and which, when communicated to an =
enterprise network, provides the enterprise network with sufficient =
information to setup SIP trunking with the SIP service provider. Such a =
capability set would not only result in SIP trunking deployment times =
being drastically scaled down, but also would result in a significant =
decrease in interoperability issues between enterprise and service =
provider network. Additionally, operational costs for service providers =
and enterprise equipment manufactures would likely decrease as a result =
of fewer support cases.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> The scope of activity includes:
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> 	=E2=80=A2 Define a robust capability set which encapsulates =
sufficient information to ensure smooth IP peering between enterprise =
and service provider SIP networks.
>> 	=E2=80=A2 Define a data model for the capability set.
>> 	=E2=80=A2 Extensibility of the data model to allow proprietary =
parameters to be encoded.
>> 	=E2=80=A2 A transport mechanism using which the capability set =
is communicated from the service provider network to the enterprise =
network.
>> This working group will not:
>>=20
>> 	=E2=80=A2 Define any extensions to SIP.
>> 	=E2=80=A2 Provide a workflow/mechanism that allows service =
providers to directly configure devices in the enterprise network.
>> =20
>>=20
>> The group will produce
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> 	=E2=80=A2 Requirements, Use Cases and Architecture draft.
>> 	=E2=80=A2 Specification for SIP Auto Peer.
>> =20
>>=20
>> Milestones:
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> <Date TBD> Send architecture draft to IESG
>>=20
>> <Date TBD> Send protocol specification draft to IESG
>>=20
>> =20
>> Thanks,
>> Kaustubh
>> =20
>> =20
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Hi,

Shouldn't the charter also mention why existing feature- and extension indi=
cation mechanisms would not work? The way the text is written now one could=
 think that SIP does not providing mechanisms for indicating support of fea=
tures and extensions...

Regards,

Christer

________________________________
From: dispatch <dispatch-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ben Campbell <ben@n=
ostrum.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:31 AM
To: Kaustubh Inamdar (kinamdar) <kinamdar@cisco.com>
Cc: dispatch@ietf.org <dispatch@ietf.org>; Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca>;=
 dispatch-chairs@ietf.org <dispatch-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [dispatch] PROPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking A=
nd Peering)

(still individual)

Oops, I forgot a question: Is discovery in scope? I assume so, from the TBD=
 section in draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-peer-01. If so, it=92s worth m=
entioning in the charter.

Thanks!

Ben.


> On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:
>
> (as individual participant)
>
> Hi,
>
> I think this is generally on the right track, but I do have some comments=
.
>
> I agree with Adam=92s comment about an architecture draft going to the IE=
SG. There=92s been a lot of pushback from the IESG on publishing such docum=
ents as RFCs without a good argument about it=92s archival value.
>
> Further along those lines, I=92d suggest leaving flexibility so any resul=
ting WG can decide how to structure the remaining documents. That is, rathe=
r than saying sending a =93 protocol specification draft=94 to the IESG, yo=
u can talking about sending the =93protocol specification=94. The work grou=
p could later decide to organize that as one or more drafts as they see fit=
.
>
> I assume from the fact that SIP extensions are not in scope that doing th=
is over HTTP(s) is a foregone conclusion. If so, the charter needs to say t=
hat. Also, is the scope limited to enterprise use cases?
>
> When you say the wg will not provide a mechanism for a enterprise network=
, do you mean that it must not be possible to use the mechanism(s) that way=
, or that such uses are simply out-of-scope? I suspect the second, in which=
 case I suggest the statement that =93The group will not=85=94 be reformula=
ted along the lines of =93The following is out of scope=85=94
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben.
>
>
>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 11:17 PM, Kaustubh Inamdar (kinamdar) <kinamdar@cisco=
.com> wrote:
>>
>> Slight modification to the proposed charter=85
>>
>> PROPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And Peering)
>>
>>
>> The deployment of a Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)-based infrastructu=
re in enterprise and service provider communication networks is increasing =
at a rapid pace. Consequently, direct IP peering between enterprise and ser=
vice provider networks is quickly replacing traditional methods of intercon=
nection between enterprise and service provider networks.
>> Currently published standards provide a strong foundation over which dir=
ect IP peering can be realized. However, given the sheer number of these st=
andards, it is often not clear which behavioural subsets, extensions to bas=
eline protocols and operating principles ought to be configured by the ente=
rprise network administrator to ensure successful peering with a SIP servic=
e provider network. This lack of context often leads to interoperability is=
sues between enterprise and service provider SIP networks resulting in a la=
rge number of support cases being opened with enterprise equipment manufact=
urers and SIP service providers. Subsequently, deployment times for SIP tru=
nking between enterprise and service provider networks increase significant=
ly.
>> This work would define a descriptive capability set, which is populated =
by a SIP service provider, and which, when communicated to an enterprise ne=
twork, provides the enterprise network with sufficient information to setup=
 SIP trunking with the SIP service provider. Such a capability set would no=
t only result in SIP trunking deployment times being drastically scaled dow=
n, but also would result in a significant decrease in interoperability issu=
es between enterprise and service provider network. Additionally, operation=
al costs for service providers and enterprise equipment manufactures would =
likely decrease as a result of fewer support cases.
>>
>> The scope of activity includes:
>>
>> =B7         Define a robust capability set which encapsulates sufficient=
 information to ensure smooth IP peering between enterprise and service pro=
vider SIP networks.
>> =B7         Define a data model for the capability set.
>> =B7         Extensibility of the data model to allow proprietary paramet=
ers to be encoded.
>> =B7         A transport mechanism using which the capability set is comm=
unicated from the service provider network to the enterprise network.
>> This working group will not:
>> =B7         Define any extensions to SIP.
>> =B7         Provide a workflow/mechanism that allows service providers t=
o directly configure devices in the enterprise network.
>>
>> The group will produce
>>
>> =B7         Requirements, Use Cases and Architecture draft.
>> =B7         Specification for SIP Auto Peer.
>>
>> This workgroup will co-ordinate with the SIP Core workgroup and the SIPC=
onnect efforts carried out by the SIP Forum.
>>
>> Milestones:
>>
>> <Date TBD> Send architecture draft to IESG
>> <Date TBD> Send protocol specification draft to IESG
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kaustubh
>>
>>
>> From: Kaustubh Inamdar <kinamdar@cisco.com>
>> Date: Monday, 6 January 2020 at 07:12
>> To: "dispatch@ietf.org" <dispatch@ietf.org>
>> Cc: "dispatch-chairs@ietf.org" <dispatch-chairs@ietf.org>, Cullen Jennin=
gs <fluffy@iii.ca>
>> Subject: PROPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And Peering)
>>
>> All,
>> Following the presentation of SIP Auto Peer at IETF 106, Singapore (http=
s://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-peer-01) , there w=
as consensus to form a mini workgroup to take this effort forward. To that =
end, we are looking to build consensus on a charter. The prosed charter can=
 be found below. Comments, reviews, suggestions are welcome.
>>
>>
>> PRPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And Peering)
>>
>>
>> The deployment of a Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)-based infrastructu=
re in enterprise and service provider communication networks is increasing =
at a rapid pace. Consequently, direct IP peering between enterprise and ser=
vice provider networks is quickly replacing traditional methods of intercon=
nection between enterprise and service provider networks.
>>
>> Currently published standards provide a strong foundation over which dir=
ect IP peering can be realized. However, given the sheer number of these st=
andards, it is often not clear which behavioural subsets, extensions to bas=
eline protocols and operating principles ought to be configured by the ente=
rprise network administrator to ensure successful peering with a SIP servic=
e provider network. This lack of context often leads to interoperability is=
sues between enterprise and service provider SIP networks resulting in a la=
rge number of support cases being opened with enterprise equipment manufact=
urers and SIP service providers. Subsequently, deployment times for SIP tru=
nking between enterprise and service provider networks increase significant=
ly.
>>
>> This work would define a descriptive capability set, which is populated =
by a SIP service provider, and which, when communicated to an enterprise ne=
twork, provides the enterprise network with sufficient information to setup=
 SIP trunking with the SIP service provider. Such a capability set would no=
t only result in SIP trunking deployment times being drastically scaled dow=
n, but also would result in a significant decrease in interoperability issu=
es between enterprise and service provider network. Additionally, operation=
al costs for service providers and enterprise equipment manufactures would =
likely decrease as a result of fewer support cases.
>>
>>
>>
>> The scope of activity includes:
>>
>>
>>
>>       =95 Define a robust capability set which encapsulates sufficient i=
nformation to ensure smooth IP peering between enterprise and service provi=
der SIP networks.
>>       =95 Define a data model for the capability set.
>>       =95 Extensibility of the data model to allow proprietary parameter=
s to be encoded.
>>       =95 A transport mechanism using which the capability set is commun=
icated from the service provider network to the enterprise network.
>> This working group will not:
>>
>>       =95 Define any extensions to SIP.
>>       =95 Provide a workflow/mechanism that allows service providers to =
directly configure devices in the enterprise network.
>>
>>
>> The group will produce
>>
>>
>>
>>       =95 Requirements, Use Cases and Architecture draft.
>>       =95 Specification for SIP Auto Peer.
>>
>>
>> Milestones:
>>
>>
>>
>> <Date TBD> Send architecture draft to IESG
>>
>> <Date TBD> Send protocol specification draft to IESG
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kaustubh
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dispatch mailing list
>> dispatch@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch

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<div class=3D"PlainText">(still individual)<br>
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Oops, I forgot a question: Is discovery in scope? I assume so, from the TBD=
 section in draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-peer-01. If so, it=92s worth m=
entioning in the charter.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
Ben.<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Ben Campbell &lt;ben@nostrum.com&gt; wrote=
:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; (as individual participant)<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I think this is generally on the right track, but I do have some comme=
nts.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I agree with Adam=92s comment about an architecture draft going to the=
 IESG. There=92s been a lot of pushback from the IESG on publishing such do=
cuments as RFCs without a good argument about it=92s archival value.
<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Further along those lines, I=92d suggest leaving flexibility so any re=
sulting WG can decide how to structure the remaining documents. That is, ra=
ther than saying sending a =93 protocol specification draft=94 to the IESG,=
 you can talking about sending the =93protocol
 specification=94. The work group could later decide to organize that as on=
e or more drafts as they see fit.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I assume from the fact that SIP extensions are not in scope that doing=
 this over HTTP(s) is a foregone conclusion. If so, the charter needs to sa=
y that. Also, is the scope limited to enterprise use cases?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; When you say the wg will not provide a mechanism for a enterprise netw=
ork, do you mean that it must not be possible to use the mechanism(s) that =
way, or that such uses are simply out-of-scope? I suspect the second, in wh=
ich case I suggest the statement that
 =93The group will not=85=94 be reformulated along the lines of =93The foll=
owing is out of scope=85=94<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks!<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Ben.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; On Jan 5, 2020, at 11:17 PM, Kaustubh Inamdar (kinamdar) &lt;kinam=
dar@cisco.com&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Slight modification to the proposed charter=85<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; PROPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And Peering)<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; The deployment of a Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)-based infras=
tructure in enterprise and service provider communication networks is incre=
asing at a rapid pace. Consequently, direct IP peering between enterprise a=
nd service provider networks is quickly
 replacing traditional methods of interconnection between enterprise and se=
rvice provider networks.<br>
&gt;&gt; Currently published standards provide a strong foundation over whi=
ch direct IP peering can be realized. However, given the sheer number of th=
ese standards, it is often not clear which behavioural subsets, extensions =
to baseline protocols and operating principles
 ought to be configured by the enterprise network administrator to ensure s=
uccessful peering with a SIP service provider network. This lack of context=
 often leads to interoperability issues between enterprise and service prov=
ider SIP networks resulting in a
 large number of support cases being opened with enterprise equipment manuf=
acturers and SIP service providers. Subsequently, deployment times for SIP =
trunking between enterprise and service provider networks increase signific=
antly.
<br>
&gt;&gt; This work would define a descriptive capability set, which is popu=
lated by a SIP service provider, and which, when communicated to an enterpr=
ise network, provides the enterprise network with sufficient information to=
 setup SIP trunking with the SIP service
 provider. Such a capability set would not only result in SIP trunking depl=
oyment times being drastically scaled down, but also would result in a sign=
ificant decrease in interoperability issues between enterprise and service =
provider network. Additionally,
 operational costs for service providers and enterprise equipment manufactu=
res would likely decrease as a result of fewer support cases.<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; The scope of activity includes:<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; =B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Define a robus=
t capability set which encapsulates sufficient information to ensure smooth=
 IP peering between enterprise and service provider SIP networks.<br>
&gt;&gt; =B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Define a data =
model for the capability set.<br>
&gt;&gt; =B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Extensibility =
of the data model to allow proprietary parameters to be encoded.<br>
&gt;&gt; =B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A transport me=
chanism using which the capability set is communicated from the service pro=
vider network to the enterprise network.<br>
&gt;&gt; This working group will not:<br>
&gt;&gt; =B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Define any ext=
ensions to SIP.<br>
&gt;&gt; =B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide a work=
flow/mechanism that allows service providers to directly configure devices =
in the enterprise network.<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; The group will produce<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; =B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Requirements, =
Use Cases and Architecture draft.<br>
&gt;&gt; =B7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Specification =
for SIP Auto Peer.<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; This workgroup will co-ordinate with the SIP Core workgroup and th=
e SIPConnect efforts carried out by the SIP Forum.<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; Milestones:<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;Date TBD&gt; Send architecture draft to IESG<br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;Date TBD&gt; Send protocol specification draft to IESG<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt;&gt; Kaustubh<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; From: Kaustubh Inamdar &lt;kinamdar@cisco.com&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Date: Monday, 6 January 2020 at 07:12<br>
&gt;&gt; To: &quot;dispatch@ietf.org&quot; &lt;dispatch@ietf.org&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Cc: &quot;dispatch-chairs@ietf.org&quot; &lt;dispatch-chairs@ietf.=
org&gt;, Cullen Jennings &lt;fluffy@iii.ca&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Subject: PROPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And Pee=
ring)<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; All,<br>
&gt;&gt; Following the presentation of SIP Auto Peer at IETF 106, Singapore=
 (<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-p=
eer-01">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kinamdar-dispatch-sip-auto-peer-0=
1</a>) , there was consensus to form a mini
 workgroup to take this effort forward. To that end, we are looking to buil=
d consensus on a charter. The prosed charter can be found below. Comments, =
reviews, suggestions are welcome.<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; PRPOSED CHARTER FOR ASAP (Automatic SIP trunking And Peering)<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; The deployment of a Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)-based infras=
tructure in enterprise and service provider communication networks is incre=
asing at a rapid pace. Consequently, direct IP peering between enterprise a=
nd service provider networks is quickly
 replacing traditional methods of interconnection between enterprise and se=
rvice provider networks.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Currently published standards provide a strong foundation over whi=
ch direct IP peering can be realized. However, given the sheer number of th=
ese standards, it is often not clear which behavioural subsets, extensions =
to baseline protocols and operating principles
 ought to be configured by the enterprise network administrator to ensure s=
uccessful peering with a SIP service provider network. This lack of context=
 often leads to interoperability issues between enterprise and service prov=
ider SIP networks resulting in a
 large number of support cases being opened with enterprise equipment manuf=
acturers and SIP service providers. Subsequently, deployment times for SIP =
trunking between enterprise and service provider networks increase signific=
antly.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; This work would define a descriptive capability set, which is popu=
lated by a SIP service provider, and which, when communicated to an enterpr=
ise network, provides the enterprise network with sufficient information to=
 setup SIP trunking with the SIP service
 provider. Such a capability set would not only result in SIP trunking depl=
oyment times being drastically scaled down, but also would result in a sign=
ificant decrease in interoperability issues between enterprise and service =
provider network. Additionally,
 operational costs for service providers and enterprise equipment manufactu=
res would likely decrease as a result of fewer support cases.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; The scope of activity includes:<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =95 Define a robust capability=
 set which encapsulates sufficient information to ensure smooth IP peering =
between enterprise and service provider SIP networks.<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =95 Define a data model for th=
e capability set.<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =95 Extensibility of the data =
model to allow proprietary parameters to be encoded.<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =95 A transport mechanism usin=
g which the capability set is communicated from the service provider networ=
k to the enterprise network.<br>
&gt;&gt; This working group will not:<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =95 Define any extensions to S=
IP.<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =95 Provide a workflow/mechani=
sm that allows service providers to directly configure devices in the enter=
prise network.<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; The group will produce<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =95 Requirements, Use Cases an=
d Architecture draft.<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =95 Specification for SIP Auto=
 Peer.<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Milestones:<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;Date TBD&gt; Send architecture draft to IESG<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;Date TBD&gt; Send protocol specification draft to IESG<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt;&gt; Kaustubh<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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> Shouldn't the charter also mention why existing feature- and extension =
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one could think that SIP does not providing mechanisms for indicating =
support of features and extensions...
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> Regards,
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Thoughts on how to clear up this text? As sip does provide indication of =
support of some types of things, we should certainly not say it does =
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types of configuration that is pretty hard to do in SIP. For example, =
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Hi,
   I am sorry for very late response as I was in the hospital for a
very long time.
   There is no place where it is documented that SIPS is broken, non
-deployable. RFC 6216 (The latest document) in which I found the
mention of  SIPS for Example call flow with SIPS. So draft assumed
that SIPS solution is to be considered.  It mentions with flaws with
security of SIPS (The documented security solution). It would have
been better if we have produced a RFC with flaws of SIPS.
  The presented draft lists the flaws of security of multimedia with
existing mechanism, Either we fix them one by one OR take another
approach of Cashless Economy and Complete multimedia recordings. 
  My blog http://samirsrivastava.typepad.com/ is not taking comments.
Comments one can send to this group and me. Please do not write on the
blog. I request the list members and others to go though the material
published on the blog mentioned in the draft.
ThanksSamir Srivastavahttp://samirsrivastava.typepad.com/

On 1/26/2016 at 3:49 AM, "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)"  wrote:It’s
seems premised on SIPS url. One reason for limited discussion on it
might be that mostly the specs have moved away from using SIPS as it
is very difficult to get deployed 

> On Nov 22, 2015, at 2:06 AM, Samir Srivastava  wrote:
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> Did anyone read it when it was submitted ? It looks interesting.
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> Thanks
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<span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">Hi,<div><br></div><div=
>&nbsp; &nbsp;I am sorry for very late response as I was in the hospital fo=
r a very long time.</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp;There is no place=
 where it is documented that SIPS is broken, non -deployable. RFC 6216 (The=
 latest document) in which I found the mention of&nbsp; SIPS for Example ca=
ll flow with SIPS. So draft assumed that SIPS solution is to be considered.=
&nbsp; It mentions with flaws with security of SIPS (The documented securit=
y solution). It would have been better if we have produced a RFC with flaws=
 of SIPS.</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; The presented draft lists the fla=
ws of security of multimedia with existing mechanism, Either we fix them on=
e by one OR take another approach of Cashless Economy and Complete multimed=
ia recordings.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; My blog <a href=3D"htt=
p://samirsrivastava.typepad.com/">http://samirsrivastava.typepad.com/</a> i=
s not taking comments. Comments one can send to this group and me. Please d=
o not write on the blog. I request the list members and others to go though=
 the material published on the blog mentioned in the draft.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Thanks</div><div>Samir Srivastava</div><div><a href=3D"http://sam=
irsrivastava.typepad.com/">http://samirsrivastava.typepad.com/</a></div><di=
v><br><br>On 1/26/2016 at 3:49 AM, "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" &lt;fluffy@ci=
sco.com&gt; wrote:<blockquote style=3D"border-left:solid 1px #ccc;margin-le=
ft:10px;padding-left:10px;">It=E2=80=99s seems premised on SIPS url. One re=
ason for limited discussion on it might be that mostly the specs have moved=
 away from using SIPS as it is very difficult to get deployed <br><br>&gt; =
On Nov 22, 2015, at 2:06 AM, Samir Srivastava &lt;srivastava_samir@hush.com=
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rivastava-dispatch-avoidance-of-">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-srivast=
ava-dispatch-avoidance-of-</a><br>&gt; threats-00<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Did anyo=
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