From dromasca@avaya.com Wed Mar 9 03:30:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164FE3A6992; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:30:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xBO6erN31kDM; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:30:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound-tmp.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound-tmp.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.16]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045043A6936; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:30:23 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvEAAFTzdk3GmAcF/2dsb2JhbACYQI4sdKh2Apl1gn6CZwSQHA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,289,1297054800"; d="scan'208";a="62577080" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound-tmp.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 09 Mar 2011 06:31:39 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,289,1297054800"; d="scan'208";a="592726632" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 09 Mar 2011 06:31:38 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:31:16 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: WG Review: Verification Involving PSTN Reachability (vipr) Thread-Index: AcvdumhGPHmRLmK4QJCWNt7phL38MwAkwivQ From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , , , "IETF DNS Directorate" , "YANG Doctors" Subject: [dns-dir] FW: WG Review: Verification Involving PSTN Reachability (vipr) X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 11:30:37 -0000 =20 -----Original Message----- From: iesg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IESG Secretary Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:57 PM To: IETF Announcement list Subject: WG Review: Verification Involving PSTN Reachability (vipr)=20 A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by Tuesday, March 15, 2011. =20 Verification Involving PSTN Reachability (vipr) ------------------------------------------------ Current Status: Proposed Working Group Last updated: 2011-02-18 Chair(s): TBD Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Director(s): * Gonzalo Camarillo * Robert Sparks Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Advisor: * Robert Sparks Mailing Lists: General Discussion: TBD (expected to be vipr@ietf.org) To Subscribe: TBD Archive: TBD Description of Working Group: There are two globally deployed address spaces for communications used by more than a billion people daily - phone numbers and DNS rooted address such as web servers and email addresses. The inter-domain signaling design of SIP is primarily designed for email style addresses yet a large percentage of SIP deployments mostly use phone numbers for identifying users, thus DNS lookups are not sufficient. The goal of this working group is to enable inter-domain communications over the Internet, using protocols such as SIP, while still allowing people to use phone numbers to identify the person with whom they wish to communicate. The VIPR WG will develop a peer to peer based approach to finding domains that claim to be responsible for a given phone number to mitigate the involvement of centralized entities to avoid some of the issues encountered by past attempts to support SIP inter-domain communications. Validation protocols will be developed to ensure a reasonable likelihood that a given domain actually is responsible for the phone number. In this context, "responsible" means an administrative domain, which is at least one of the domains, to which a PSTN call to this phone number would be routed. Once the domain responsible for the phone number is found, existing protocols, such as SIP, can be used for inter-domain communications. Some validation protocols may be based on knowledge gathered around a PSTN call; for example, the ability to prove a call was received over the PSTN based on start and stop times. Other validation schemes, such as examining fingerprints or watermarking of PSTN media to show that a domain received a particular PSTN phone call, may also be considered by the working group. This validation will be accomplished using publicly available open interfaces to the PSTN, so the validation can be performed by any domain wishing to participate. The WG will select and standardize at least one validation scheme. The validation mechanism requires a domain to gather and maintain information related to PSTN calls. This information is used by call agents such as phones, SBCs and IP PBXs to route calls. The WG will also develop mechanisms to detect in a timely manner that a given domain is no longer responsible for a phone number. The WG will define a client-server protocol between these call agents and the entity within a domain that maintains the information. To help mitigate SPAM issues when using SIP between domains, the WG will define a mechanism to enable one domain to check that incoming SIP messages are coming from a validated phone number. A phone number is considered validated if it is coming from a domain to which the calling domain had previously successfully placed a PSTN call. The working group will define new SIP headers and option tags, as necessary, to enable this. The essential characteristic of VIPR is establishing authentication by PSTN reachability when it is not possible to use a direct reference to ENUM databases or other direct assertions of PSTN number ownership. Elements such as public ENUM easily coexist with VIPR but no direct interaction with ENUM will be required. The solution set defined by this WG will be incrementally deployable using only existing interfaces to the PSTN. No changes will be required to existing PSTN capabilities, no new database access is needed nor is any new support from PSTN service providers required. The WG will produce the following deliverables: 1) A document describing the requirements, problem statement and architectural approach to support SIP inter-domain communications. 2) A document describing the use of the p2psip protocol (RELOAD) as applied to this problem space. 3) A document defining a scheme for validating the phone numbers using publicly available open interfaces to the PSTN. 4) A document defining client-server protocol between call agents and the entity within a domain that gathers and maintains information related to PSTN calls. 5) A document describing a mechanism to mitigate SPAM issues. The working group will carefully coordinate with the security area, O&M area, as well as the appropriate RAI WGs such as sipcore and p2psip. Goals and Milestones: Sep 2011 Submit Requirements, Problem statement, and architecture=20 overview for publication as Informational Dec 2011 Submit Peer to peer base protocol specification for=20 publication as Proposed Standard Dec 2011 Submit PSTN based number validation techniques for publication=20 as Proposed Standard Apr 2012 Submit Protocol for call agents to exchange call and routing=20 information for publication as Proposed Standard Apr 2012 Submit Specification of authorization tokens to mitigate SPAM=20 for publication as Proposed Standard From dromasca@avaya.com Wed Mar 9 08:56:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9B83A691E; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:56:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.548 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.548 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nzaAuL2b9UID; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound-tmp.us1.avaya.com (nj300815-nj-outbound.net.avaya.com [135.11.29.16]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F173A6881; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:56:53 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvQAAN5Ad02HCzI1/2dsb2JhbACYQo4sdKkoApohhWUEkByDAg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,291,1297054800"; d="scan'208";a="62635973" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound-tmp.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 09 Mar 2011 11:57:37 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,291,1297054800"; d="scan'208";a="614021217" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 09 Mar 2011 11:57:36 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:57:15 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: WG Review: Address Resolution for Massive numbers of hosts in the Data center (armd) Thread-Index: Acvdu07DuRsDTIbtS8Sg5q8094sC2gAv7LJQ From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , "IETF DNS Directorate" , , , "YANG Doctors" Subject: [dns-dir] FW: WG Review: Address Resolution for Massive numbers of hosts in the Data center (armd) X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:56:55 -0000 =20 -----Original Message----- From: iesg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IESG Secretary Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:03 PM To: IETF Announcement list Cc: armd@ietf.org Subject: WG Review: Address Resolution for Massive numbers of hosts in the Data center (armd)=20 A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Operations and Management Area. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by Tuesday, March 15, 2011. =20 Address Resolution for Massive numbers of hosts in the Data center (armd) ------------------------------------------------ Current Status: Proposed Working Group Last updated: 2011-02-18 Chairs: TBD Operations and Management Area Directors: Ronald Bonica Dan Romascanu Operations and Management Area Advisor: Ronald Bonica Internet Area Advisor: Ralph Droms Mailing lists: Address: armd@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/armd Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/armd/ Description of Working Group: Changing workloads in datacenters are having an impact on the performance of current datacenter network designs. For example, the use of virtual machines (VMs) as a means for deployment and management of new services often results in a significant increase in the number of hosts attached to the network. Various requirements for the deployment of VMs in data center networks, such as support for VM mobility, has led to architectures in which broadcast domains are scaling up to span more switching devices and VM servers, and to interconnect more hosts (as represented by VMs). In these deployment architectures, heavily used protocols that are based on broadcast or multicast, such as ARP and ND, may contribute to poor network performance. The armd Working Group will investigate the impact of changing workloads and existing protocols on datacenter network performance. In its work, the armd Working Group will take into consideration work done in data center networking standardization by other SDOs, such as the IEEE 802.1 Data Center Bridging Task Group, and will communicate and exchange information with these organizations. Working Group objectives: (1) Document the current practices in data center network architectures and the scaling characteristics of ARP and ND with respect to large sized layer-2 domains in data centers. (2) Provide operational recommendations intended to minimize issues associated with these architectures and characteristics. Area affiliation of the Working Group: The armd Working Group is assigned to the Operations and Management area, and will maintain close collaboration with the Internet area. Because of its affiliation with Operations and Management, the armd Working Group will focus on documenting current practices and scaling characteristics, and will not do any protocol development or extension work. If the Working Group identifies opportunities for protocol development or extensions, it will first develop requirements for that work. Any protocol development work will be conducted in the appropriate existing Working Groups if such work groups exist. If no such working groups exist, armd may recharter to address the work and may be moved to a different area. Deliverables (Informational RFCs; list to be removed prior to posting):=20 o Problem statement and review of current L2/L3 architectures o Report on ARP/ND statistics collection and behavior analysis in various Data Center environments o Recommendations on data center L2/L3 architectures and identification of opportunities for protocol development work Milestones (Informational RFCs to be completed for IESG review): May 2011 - Problem statement Nov 2011 - ARP/ND statistics collection and behavior analysis in various Data Center environments - many subnets with various sizes - subnets with hosts with VMs and VMs migrate over time - subnets with some hosts on local VMs and others on VMs in the cloud (like Amazon's ECS),=20 - Large subnet. Nov 2011 - Survey of Existing Implementations Nov 2011 - Survey of Security Mar 2012 - Recommendations to avoid or minimize issues caused by ARP/ND Mar 2012 - Gap Analysis From peter@denic.de Thu Mar 10 03:02:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1683A68B5 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 03:02:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NoAorI8ej8rm for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 03:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5E13A68DE for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 03:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1PxdeK-0006cR-Bp; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:03:20 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1PxdeK-00050R-7m; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:03:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:03:20 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20110310110320.GB15369@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: IETF DNS Directorate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:02:07 -0000 Dear DNS Directorate, the DNS Directorate might want to meet in Prague. The doodle poll gives breakfast, lunch and dinner slots for the whole week, since both DNS WGs will meet really late this time. If you are not going to attend IETF80, please let me know off list (or in the doodle, if you wish). The main agenda item probably is "status/mission or future/dissolution of the DNS Directorate". I'll volunteer to collect more topics. Also, if the ADs would like us to look at specific WGs, WG items or BOFs during the week, let's try to coordinate that beforehand. Best regards, Peter From dromasca@avaya.com Fri Mar 11 00:53:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C18A3A6BBC; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 00:53:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.169 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.169 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.321, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_OBFU_ALL=0.751, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g4id4cwWAftT; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 00:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057023A6BB3; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 00:53:47 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAFMtcU2HCzI1/2dsb2JhbACmZXSkeQKZFoJ/gmIEkAyDAA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,302,1297054800"; d="scan'208";a="268912249" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 11 Mar 2011 03:55:06 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,302,1297054800"; d="scan'208";a="615449914" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 11 Mar 2011 03:55:05 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:54:43 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PRELIMINARY Agenda and Package for the March 17, 2011 Telechat Thread-Index: Acvfed/AKUKFhi2cQRqW8o049HxXqQATt2Ng From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "YANG Doctors" , "IETF DNS Directorate" , , , Subject: [dns-dir] FW: PRELIMINARY Agenda and Package for the March 17, 2011 Telechat X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:53:50 -0000 =20 Please find below the preliminary agenda of the 3/17 IESG telechat. Please send me your questions, comments and concerns before 3/16 COB.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan -----Original Message----- From: iesg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IESG Secretary ... 2. Protocol Actions 2.1 WG Submissions 2.1.1 New Items o draft-ietf-httpbis-content-disp-06 Use of the Content-Disposition Header Field in the Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) (Proposed Standard) Note: Mark Nottingham (HTTPBIS chair) is the document shepherd Token: Alexey Melnikov o draft-ietf-ancp-protocol-15 Protocol for Access Node Control Mechanism in Broadband Networks (Proposed Standard) Note: Matthew Bocci (matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Ralph Droms o draft-ietf-sidr-res-certs-21 A Profile for X.509 PKIX Resource Certificates (Proposed Standard) Note: Sandra Murphy (Sandra.Murphy@sparta.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Stewart Bryant o draft-ietf-sidr-cp-16 Certificate Policy (CP) for the Resource PKI (RPKI (BCP) Note: Sandra Murphy (Sandra.Murphy@cobham.com ) is the document shepherd. Token: Stewart Bryant o draft-ietf-sidr-iana-objects-01 RPKI Objects issued by IANA (Proposed Standard) Note: Chris Morrow (christopher.morrow@gmail.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Stewart Bryant o draft-ietf-intarea-server-logging-recommendations-03 Logging recommendations for Internet facing servers (BCP) Note: Julien Laganier (julien.ietf@gmail.com) is the document shepherd Token: Jari Arkko o draft-ietf-ipsecme-failure-detection-06 A Quick Crash Detection Method for IKE (Proposed Standard) Note: Paul Hoffman (paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) is the document shepherd. Token: Sean Turner o draft-ietf-mip4-gre-key-extension-04 GRE Key Extension for Mobile IPv4 (Proposed Standard) Note: Pete McCann (mccap@petoni.org) is the document shepherd. Token: Jari Arkko 2.1.2 Returning Items o draft-ietf-isis-genapp-04 Advertising Generic Information in IS-IS (Proposed Standard) Token: Stewart Bryant o draft-ietf-geopriv-rfc3825bis-17 Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol Options for Coordinate-based Location Configuration Information (Proposed Standard) Note: The Document Shepherd for this document is Richard Barnes (rbarnes@bbn.com). Token: Robert Sparks 2.2 Individual Submissions 2.2.1 New Items o draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-06 The 'about' URI scheme (Proposed Standard) Token: Alexey Melnikov 2.2.2 Returning Items o draft-bryan-metalinkhttp-22 Metalink/HTTP: Mirrors and Hashes (Proposed Standard) Note: Lars, please review the updated version to see if it addresses your concern Token: Alexey Melnikov Was deferred by Alexey Melnikov on 2011-02-17 3. Document Actions 3.1 WG Submissions 3.1.1 New Items o draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-in-mobile-networks-03 Mobile Networks Considerations for IPv6 Deployment (Informational) Note: Fred Baker (fred@cisco.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Ron Bonica o draft-ietf-morg-multimailbox-search-07 IMAP4 Multimailbox SEARCH Extension (Experimental) Note: Julian Reschke is the Document Shepherd. Token: Peter Saint-Andre o draft-ietf-hip-cert-11 Host Identity Protocol Certificates (Experimental) Note: Gonzalo Camarillo (Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Ralph Droms Was deferred by Russ Housley on 2011-03-03 o draft-ietf-sidr-arch-12 An Infrastructure to Support Secure Internet Routing (Informational) Note: Sandra Murphy (Sandra.Murphy@cobham.com ) is the document shepherd. Token: Stewart Bryant o draft-ietf-netext-pmip6-lr-ps-05 PMIPv6 Localized Routing Problem Statement (Informational) Note: Basavaraj Patil (basavaraj.patil@nokia.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Jari Arkko 3.1.2 Returning Items NONE 3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD 3.2.1 New Items o draft-zhu-mobility-survey-03 A Survey of Mobility Support In the Internet (Informational) Token: Jari Arkko o draft-herzog-static-ecdh-05 Use of static-static Elliptic-Curve Diffie-Hellman key agreement in Cryptographic Message Syntax (Informational) Note: Jonathan Herzog (jherzog@ll.mit.edu) is the document Shepherd. Token: Tim Polk o draft-meadors-multiple-attachments-ediint-11 Multiple Attachments for EDI-INT (Informational) Token: Alexey Melnikov o draft-mrw-nat66-10 IPv6-to-IPv6 Network Prefix Translation (Experimental) Token: Ron Bonica o draft-zhu-mobileme-doc-05 Understanding Apple's Back to My Mac (BTMM) Service (Informational) Token: Lars Eggert 3.2.2 Returning Items NONE 3.3 IRTF and Independent Submission Stream Documents 3.3.1 New Items NONE 3.3.2 Returning Items NONE 3.3.3 For Action o draft-hu-flow-label-cases-03 Survey of proposed use cases for the IPv6 flow label (Informational) Note: ISE submission Token: Jari Arkko 4. Working Group Actions 4.1 WG Creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review NONE 4.1.2 Proposed for Approval o Verification Involving PSTN Reachability (vipr) Token: Robert Sparks o Address Resolution for Massive numbers of hosts in the Data center (armd) Token: Ron Bonica 4.2 WG Rechartering 4.2.1 Under Evaluation for IETF Review o Softwires (softwire) Token: Ralph Droms o Secure Inter-Domain Routing (sidr) Token: Stewart Bryant 4.2.2 Proposed for Approval NONE From peter@denic.de Sat Mar 19 15:22:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2643A69D0 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:22:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TElDeOugj91s for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498533A69B3 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1Q14Yp-0000IQ-K3; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:23:51 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1Q14Yp-0006kH-Fo; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:23:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:23:51 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20110319222351.GZ15369@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: IETF DNS Directorate References: <20110310110320.GB15369@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110310110320.GB15369@x27.adm.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 22:22:26 -0000 Dear DNS Directorate, now that both DNS WGs have been finally scheduled, I'd like to bring the open doodle poll to everybody's attention again. We have feedback from six of sixteen members so far: Please have a look and fill in the form so we can try to schedule a face to face meeting. FYI, here's the list o BOF proposals There seems not to be a Bar BOF list available, yet. Best regards, Peter From ajs@shinkuro.com Mon Mar 21 12:20:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305413A6840 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:20:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.576 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.576 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q7DoI6iWGXf6 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2DF3A682E for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crankycanuck.ca (69-196-144-230.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9861B1ECB420 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:22:22 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110321192221.GI87529@shinkuro.com> References: <20110310110320.GB15369@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110319222351.GZ15369@x27.adm.denic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110319222351.GZ15369@x27.adm.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:20:53 -0000 On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 11:23:51PM +0100, Peter Koch wrote: > Dear DNS Directorate, > > now that both DNS WGs have been finally scheduled, I'd like to bring the > open doodle poll to everybody's attention again. We have feedback from > six of sixteen members so far: > > > > Please have a look and fill in the form so we can try to schedule a > face to face meeting. I'd like to ask what we want from these meetings. The primary thing directorates ought to do, AFAIK, is reviews. But we don't seem to do that very reliably. It'd be nice to see what we could do about this. Thomas suggested something clever to me while in San Francisco: appoint some inexperienced people to do reviews, because that'll just force those of us who are busier to check their work before it goes out. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. From olaf@NLnetLabs.nl Mon Mar 21 12:25:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA983A6840 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:25:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VLJFkVPcdrmS for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from open.nlnetlabs.nl (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF3D3A6834 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aagje-3.fritz.box (xs4all.dacht.net [82.95.132.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2LJRFl4024803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:27:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-305887531; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Olaf Kolkman In-Reply-To: <20110321192221.GI87529@shinkuro.com> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:27:14 +0100 Message-Id: <994C95D1-C9F4-4483-B600-8107F030FEAB@NLnetLabs.nl> References: <20110310110320.GB15369@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110319222351.GZ15369@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110321192221.GI87529@shinkuro.com> To: Andrew Sullivan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]); Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:27:17 +0100 (CET) Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:25:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail-5-305887531 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mar 21, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >=20 > I'd like to ask what we want from these meetings. I can tell you what I want out of it (currently, as DNS guy that turned = into process wonk). I like to get the brushstrokes of where the activities are that should = be on my radar (or at the IAB's radar). The directorate acts as the ears = and eyes of the process wonks, so to speak. --Olaf ________________________________________________________=20 Olaf M. 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Thread-Index: Acvn/gJNkNtB5xKyQ2ifxKry0rM9FQAeruIQ References: <20110310110320.GB15369@x27.adm.denic.de><20110319222351.GZ15369@x27.adm.denic.de><20110321192221.GI87529@shinkuro.com> <994C95D1-C9F4-4483-B600-8107F030FEAB@NLnetLabs.nl> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Olaf Kolkman" , "Andrew Sullivan" Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:05:57 -0000 Hi,=20 What Olaf says is more than less true also from the perspective of the AD's (or at least from the perspective of this AD).=20 Regards, Dan=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Olaf Kolkman > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:27 PM > To: Andrew Sullivan > Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? >=20 >=20 > On Mar 21, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > I'd like to ask what we want from these meetings. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I can tell you what I want out of it (currently, as DNS guy=20 > that turned into process wonk). >=20 > I like to get the brushstrokes of where the activities are=20 > that should be on my radar (or at the IAB's radar). The=20 > directorate acts as the ears and eyes of the process wonks,=20 > so to speak. >=20 > --Olaf >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________=20 >=20 > Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs > Science Park 140,=20 > http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ 1098 XG Amsterdam >=20 >=20 From ajs@shinkuro.com Tue Mar 22 06:34:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C098A3A6844 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:34:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.576 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.576 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id re2hIM+wq3yF for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2B03A682B for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crankycanuck.ca (69-196-144-230.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 83ABB1ECB408 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:36:12 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110322133612.GQ87529@shinkuro.com> References: <994C95D1-C9F4-4483-B600-8107F030FEAB@NLnetLabs.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:34:45 -0000 This is pretty much as I figured, but this is also why I think we need to recruit more people (or, perhaps to put this another way, different people with more time). To use my favourite example, the DNS64 draft got hardly any review from the DNS community. Despite my asking repeatedly, we didn't get a review of the document until after IETF last call. At that point, we got a very useful and very helpful review; but it was a review that basically told me we needed a -bis, because it was so late in the life of the draft that trying to tackle the issues raised would have meant basically another 6-8 months of work. And people are shipping code based on the extant draft. Worse, in AUTH48 we have discovered a problem of an inconsistency between two sections of the draft, and the AD (DH) is insisting that this go back out to the WG or the IETF or somewhere, it's not clear where yet, to fix it. This is by no means an isolated incident, it's just the one with which I am most familiar. I don't know about the other members of the directorate, but for my part I can barely keep up as it is. This could be a want of commitment on the part of my employer, and so one could argue that what's really needed is to replace me. (There's some merit to that view.) But I'm not the only one who isn't keeping on top of the reviews, so I think the problem is deeper than that. Could we please discuss (either in Prague or on this list) recruiting some new candidates to see whether we could get some of the blood flowing? A On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:07:01AM +0100, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > > Hi, > > What Olaf says is more than less true also from the perspective of the > AD's (or at least from the perspective of this AD). > > Regards, > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Olaf Kolkman > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:27 PM > > To: Andrew Sullivan > > Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? > > > > > > On Mar 21, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask what we want from these meetings. > > > > > > > > I can tell you what I want out of it (currently, as DNS guy > > that turned into process wonk). > > > > I like to get the brushstrokes of where the activities are > > that should be on my radar (or at the IAB's radar). The > > directorate acts as the ears and eyes of the process wonks, > > so to speak. > > > > --Olaf > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs > > Science Park 140, > > http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ 1098 XG Amsterdam > > > > -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. From peter@denic.de Sun Mar 27 13:10:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD913A693F for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:10:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DAxG1T01ZXJr for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23153A6940 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1Q3wJh-0006nU-Cq; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:12:05 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1Q3wJh-0001jg-6C; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:12:05 +0200 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:12:05 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20110327201205.GA6235@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: IETF DNS Directorate References: <20110310110320.GB15369@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110319222351.GZ15369@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110319222351.GZ15369@x27.adm.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:10:30 -0000 Dear DNS Directorate, > now that both DNS WGs have been finally scheduled, I'd like to bring the > open doodle poll to everybody's attention again. We have feedback from > six of sixteen members so far: > > Wednesday breakfast seems to work for most people who gave their feedback, so I'd suggest we meet in the Hilton breakfast restaurant at 08:00 Wed. Of course, we'll be open to alternative suggestions. Regards, Peter From peter@denic.de Mon Mar 28 04:31:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7593A67E4 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:31:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XQ7DCBwNayKC for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21073A67E2 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1Q4AhB-0005GW-4E; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:33:17 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1Q4AhB-0004e7-0S; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:33:17 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:33:17 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Message-ID: <20110328113316.GP6235@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , IETF DNS Directorate References: <20110327201205.GA6235@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:31:41 -0000 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 01:24:59PM +0200, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Unfortunately the Wednesday option became busy for me. can we re-schedule to Thursday morning? In the doosle poll, the same set of people was marked available, but schedules might have changed in the meantime. Dan is the only AD so far. -Peter From ajs@shinkuro.com Mon Mar 28 04:39:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629223A67D8 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:39:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.591 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.591 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YVc4i3LJyfiW for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB113A67A8 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shinkuro.com (dhcp-250f.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.37.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 309431ECB41D; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:40:34 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110328114034.GC85777@crankycanuck.ca> References: <20110327201205.GA6235@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110328113316.GP6235@x27.adm.denic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110328113316.GP6235@x27.adm.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:39:01 -0000 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 01:33:17PM +0200, Peter Koch wrote: > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 01:24:59PM +0200, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > > Unfortunately the Wednesday option became busy for me. > > can we re-schedule to Thursday morning? In the doosle poll, the > same set of people was marked available, but schedules might > have changed in the meantime. Dan is the only AD so far. I remain available on Thursday morning (Wed breakfast has also closed for me). A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. From dromasca@avaya.com Mon Mar 28 04:45:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A981A3A6878 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:45:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.11 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.489, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lRfDJ117u00A for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FEF3A685B for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:45:17 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvYAAFMtcU2HCzI1/2dsb2JhbACYKo47dKR5ApkWhWEEkAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,255,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="238841616" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2011 07:46:54 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,255,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="631843789" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2011 07:46:52 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:46:36 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20110328113316.GP6235@x27.adm.denic.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? Thread-Index: AcvtO/D+PlONR+qtTzqZSA9xCAiCkwAAZIvg References: <20110327201205.GA6235@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110328113316.GP6235@x27.adm.denic.de> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Peter Koch" Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:45:18 -0000 Hi,=20 Thursday morning is also busy. Sorry for being a problem. Please go ahead with your meeting. Maybe next time it will be easier to set the breakfast meeting in advance (e.g. Wednesday morning). Actually the slot became busy just a couple of hours ago.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Koch [mailto:peter@denic.de] On Behalf Of Peter Koch > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:33 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Cc: IETF DNS Directorate > Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? >=20 > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 01:24:59PM +0200, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >=20 > > Unfortunately the Wednesday option became busy for me.=20 >=20 > can we re-schedule to Thursday morning? In the doosle poll,=20 > the same set of people was marked available, but schedules=20 > might have changed in the meantime. Dan is the only AD so far. >=20 > -Peter >=20 From sa.morris7@googlemail.com Mon Mar 28 04:45:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8D93A685B for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:45:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id llkLaSSqMJpO for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89773A681E for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk30 with SMTP id 30so681517pzk.31 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:47:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lm6wG71fu9tEBmlYq/LPkD6erD4I+B9iuWX6VEXU/TA=; b=S4JRIUfjZd7UkJN1F8Eu+fRj0KaQdUnsK01gfVm+nPQi9XOl0SzU7bg277rCn51dSp 7dM6iWkCw+qLp4fUaTkp8UnCeJxvITiQmB4HRckH+qcuQ04t+d+yWFULN4StEHIbmRTS httC60nMqfdPowsmC03EJpQkd2D/4qi14g6vY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=N5XNVwI07Qnlj+DEWqluQlKUzrdbLj68ejbqcjc4x6bByG8lOLOpQ4C4EOk04pM6KB AOZIMpkH1I4GtRnPUB4DTzA3oRB36EITHrTgLxQkUMfMHj+n6rZN5lspambTtQZci3PU HiDiSbad4Cb58zX62z0SKxnOvcI/rLqnKnYlQ= Received: by 10.142.122.11 with SMTP id u11mr3415929wfc.448.1301312845182; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-1090.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-1090.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.16.144]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p40sm5787958wfc.5.2011.03.28.04.47.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D907549.4070406@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:47:21 +0200 From: Stephen Morris User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dns-dir@ietf.org References: <20110327201205.GA6235@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110328113316.GP6235@x27.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20110328113316.GP6235@x27.adm.denic.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:45:51 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > can we re-schedule to Thursday morning? In the doosle poll, the > same set of people was marked available, but schedules might > have changed in the meantime. Dan is the only AD so far. > > -Peter Thursday morning is fine by me. Stephen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAk2QdUkACgkQEKO5buIYjAbWqACfcwWUcxkJGmel/jGb4NLJqoba yb4An1uasZf16MdHbEeKoD+v5lK47XUp =KiI7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From peter@denic.de Wed Mar 30 09:40:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153AC3A6B94 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:40:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D6q8YL7lIr9C for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166833A6B8C for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1Q4yTH-00076k-9q; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:42:15 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1Q4yTH-0002Ox-6K; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:42:15 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:42:15 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20110330164215.GJ26225@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: IETF DNS Directorate References: <20110327201205.GA6235@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110328113316.GP6235@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110328113316.GP6235@x27.adm.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:40:38 -0000 Dear DNS Directorate, > can we re-schedule to Thursday morning? In the doosle poll, the > same set of people was marked available, but schedules might just a reminder for tomorrow's meeting. Let's aim at 0745 to avoid the long queue at 0800 and to get food on the table on time for a start. I'll try to get us the table setup sufficient for eight people at the right hand side of the restaurant. -Peter From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Wed Mar 30 10:18:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B077D3A6BB0 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:18:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.198, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sWn1BDJ+bNrZ for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B179D3A6B84 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so1228308bwz.31 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:19:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from :subject:date:to; bh=15KY54dv+v2Tj8IG6sCPj0QuIHCPLlWGznPEMOpDts8=; b=PUWY/pcNCIkZAbpUgphE6skXlTlsyxeoiw8rSuCkcRHphePyUrthEl9ZsRZOkoYYpW N/3Oeou5ZCUHnJ5dpAqQp381oJNOUXB1VcK+gejgUOtfhlAW/SPYRraUbazdlPLYzP3I XxVTgagkB67hX0lJtrD222B/Fe6vrG9Y/Qmes= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; b=Z/Zr98ZgwFYM6NXO81j2uewXD1hN3PwZt2bs6JDDPRAr2HrGD2YA6GGYkIE0ruLowp WI0epdbgrzKAb6sextHOq2hbBKQXRXGQ+mAHADm9ONSrrw8dpkWfz4xQpEaHk4PKQn5L wVtvSqbCQAPXNl0j/l26YezVATQTfvnMnR3xU= Received: by 10.204.71.193 with SMTP id i1mr1455431bkj.102.1301505594136; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.42.217.35] (155.254.broadband5.iol.cz [88.100.254.155]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t1sm213270bkx.19.2011.03.30.10.19.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:19:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <20110327201205.GA6235@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110328113316.GP6235@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110330164215.GJ26225@x27.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20110330164215.GJ26225@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8F190) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <401C677B-B087-43CD-992D-82E3F934B8BA@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8F190) From: Ralph Droms Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:19:43 +0200 To: Peter Koch Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:18:57 -0000 Peter - as I mentioned to you at the plenary, Jari and I have a rescheduled I= ESG meeting to attend Thu AM. I will try to drop in to the directorate meet= ing for a few minutes. - Ralph On Mar 30, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Peter Koch wrote: > Dear DNS Directorate, >=20 >> can we re-schedule to Thursday morning? In the doosle poll, the >> same set of people was marked available, but schedules might >=20 > just a reminder for tomorrow's meeting. Let's aim at 0745 to avoid the > long queue at 0800 and to get food on the table on time for a start. > I'll try to get us the table setup sufficient for eight people at the > right hand side of the restaurant. >=20 > -Peter > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dromasca@avaya.com Wed Mar 30 10:23:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8193A6BA3 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:23:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.450, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fcuAmUbpyO5K for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24713A6BA2 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:23:41 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvYAAFMtcU2HCzI1/2dsb2JhbACYKo47dKR5ApkWhWEEkAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,269,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="272178070" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2011 13:25:20 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,269,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="633062436" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2011 13:25:19 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:24:58 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <401C677B-B087-43CD-992D-82E3F934B8BA@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? Thread-Index: Acvu/sr0yW43YTevQoOihWXeX5GxdwAAJIXQ References: <20110327201205.GA6235@x27.adm.denic.de><20110328113316.GP6235@x27.adm.denic.de><20110330164215.GJ26225@x27.adm.denic.de> <401C677B-B087-43CD-992D-82E3F934B8BA@gmail.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Ralph Droms" , "Peter Koch" Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:23:42 -0000 Hi,=20 Same here.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Droms > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:20 PM > To: Peter Koch > Cc: IETF DNS Directorate > Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? >=20 > Peter - as I mentioned to you at the plenary, Jari and I have=20 > a rescheduled IESG meeting to attend Thu AM. I will try to=20 > drop in to the directorate meeting for a few minutes. >=20 > - Ralph >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 30, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Peter Koch wrote: >=20 > > Dear DNS Directorate, > >=20 > >> can we re-schedule to Thursday morning? In the doosle=20 > poll, the same=20 > >> set of people was marked available, but schedules might > >=20 > > just a reminder for tomorrow's meeting. Let's aim at 0745 to avoid=20 > > the long queue at 0800 and to get food on the table on time=20 > for a start. > > I'll try to get us the table setup sufficient for eight=20 > people at the=20 > > right hand side of the restaurant. > >=20 > > -Peter > > _______________________________________________ > > dns-dir mailing list > > dns-dir@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >=20 From peter@denic.de Thu Mar 31 01:29:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994DB28C0DC for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 01:29:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 65xoeC5DDVLh for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 01:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0460F3A6C27 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 01:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1Q5DHF-00012P-De; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:30:49 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1Q5DHF-0005oT-9q; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:30:49 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:30:49 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20110331083049.GO26225@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: IETF DNS Directorate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Subject: [dns-dir] Short preliminary summary DNS-DIR @IETF80 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:29:14 -0000 Dear DNS Directorate, five of us met over breakfast to discuss some aspects of the directorate's work: 1) early warning/dns radar The EW tool that scans I-Ds currently is suspended, there were concerns re: the volume of messages Finding WGs that make use of or think of making use of the DNS as a building block currently works on an ad-hoc basis, either by DNS Dir members attending WGs because of other duties, curiosity or occasionally by invitation of the relevant WG chairs or ADs. To improve this, we thought about recruiting "scouts" that would watch WGs to get back to the directorate or further review and response; to be continued 2) outreach The basic RFCs 1034/1035 are not covering enough of the DNS environment to understand the interdependencies of protocol, operations, roles and governance issues that frame the boundaries within which workable, scalable solutions may fit. There are overview documents, including but not limited to, the more recent RFC 5507, 6055 and the current IAB I-D draft-iab-dns-applications-01.txt as well as the DNS tutorial (IETF Sunday tutorial program), but for more outreach it might be helpful to document more of the "unwritten rules" (to the extent they exist, i.e., basic assumption). Other than that there are a couple of successful recent examples where addressing DNS issues within the WGs (list and/or meeting) has worked to get the direction right. There are also less successful examples, where the problems were identified and communicated (this may or may not include the suggestion of alternative approaches (to the extent they exist). 3) advise to the ADs As a first step we agreed to compile a short list of WGs we attended with DNS on their agenda/roadmap to identify those that might need more (and probably hiher) attention. Please stay tuned. -Peter PS: these are not minutes but my personal summary; contributions and further discussion welcome (always with the caveat that this list is publicly archived) From liman@autonomica.se Thu Mar 31 02:42:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DC83A69B8 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:42:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qpc8wjKTv+ka for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cafax.se (mail.cafax.se [IPv6:2a00:801:11:53::4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953183A68F6 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net (dhcp-5713.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.87.19]) by mail.cafax.se (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2V9i7iu013771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:44:08 +0200 (MEST) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ziptop.autonomica.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2V9i6I4080666 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:44:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Lars-Johan Liman To: IETF DNS Directorate References: <20110327201205.GA6235@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110328113316.GP6235@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110330164215.GJ26225@x27.adm.denic.de> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:44:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20110330164215.GJ26225@x27.adm.denic.de> (Peter Koch's message of "Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:42:15 +0200") Message-ID: <22lizvlj4p.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:42:31 -0000 pk@DENIC.DE: > just a reminder for tomorrow's meeting. Let's aim at 0745 to avoid the > long queue at 0800 and to get food on the table on time for a start. > I'll try to get us the table setup sufficient for eight people at the > right hand side of the restaurant. Apologies for not attending this morning's meeting. Mr Murphy intervened. Cheers, /Liman From liman@autonomica.se Thu Mar 31 05:37:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38CB28C15B for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:37:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, HOST_EQ_BROADBND=1.118, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vRJQONhS+pPB for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cafax.se (mail.cafax.se [IPv6:2a00:801:11:53::4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8253A3A6B12 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net (ip-89-176-18-66.net.upcbroadband.cz [89.176.18.66]) by mail.cafax.se (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VCcfOj020119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:38:42 +0200 (MEST) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ziptop.autonomica.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VCceUf082247 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:38:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Lars-Johan Liman To: IETF DNS Directorate References: <20110331083049.GO26225@x27.adm.denic.de> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:38:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20110331083049.GO26225@x27.adm.denic.de> (Peter Koch's message of "Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:30:49 +0200") Message-ID: <22d3l7forz.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Short preliminary summary DNS-DIR @IETF80 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:37:06 -0000 pk@DENIC.DE: > Dear DNS Directorate, Thanks for these valuable notes, Peter! > 1) early warning/dns radar > The EW tool that scans I-Ds currently is suspended, there were concerns > re: the volume of messages > Finding WGs that make use of or think of making use of the DNS as a > building block currently works on an ad-hoc basis, either by DNS Dir > members attending WGs because of other duties, curiosity or > occasionally by invitation of the relevant WG chairs or ADs. > To improve this, we thought about recruiting "scouts" that would > watch WGs to get back to the directorate or further review and > response; to be continued There are a few technologies that seem to be used in many places in the IETF. DNS is one of them, but there are a more (SNMP comes to mind) but not many. Would it be useful to try to put into the IETF WG framework an instruction to WG Chairs that "if any of your drafts/technologies intend to make use of any of technology XXXX, please notify this corresponding point of contact: YYYY", and produce a map with technologies and contact points. In the DNS case it could be "send a mail to DNSDIR". > 2) outreach > The basic RFCs 1034/1035 are not covering enough of the DNS environment > to understand the interdependencies of protocol, operations, roles > and governance issues that frame the boundaries within which workable, > scalable solutions may fit. There are overview documents, including > but not limited to, the more recent RFC 5507, 6055 and the current > IAB I-D draft-iab-dns-applications-01.txt as well as the DNS tutorial > (IETF Sunday tutorial program), but for more outreach it might be helpful > to document more of the "unwritten rules" (to the extent they exist, > i.e., basic assumption). Good idea. Much work to be done in this field! > Other than that there are a couple of successful recent examples where > addressing DNS issues within the WGs (list and/or meeting) has worked > to get the direction right. There are also less successful examples, > where the problems were identified and communicated (this may or may > not include the suggestion of alternative approaches (to the extent > they exist). Well, much of what falls under these "unwritten rules" is in the field of operation, and while I strongly support more text in future RFCs that deal with the semantics of DNS, and operational requirements and motivations thereof, it believe there is merit in producing document(s) that collect the current wisdom. This may serve as input to zone owners who are procuring service, and don't know what to look for. I could even envisage two versions: the quick overview "for dummies guide", and the "gory detail" version for people to really want to learn and understand. > 3) advise to the ADs > As a first step we agreed to compile a short list of WGs we > attended with DNS on their agenda/roadmap to identify those that > might need more (and probably hiher) attention. Please stay tuned. This might also serve as a reminder to us all which groups we _should_ attend, and where documents with DNS contenct are likely to appear. > PS: these are not minutes but my personal summary; contributions and > further discussion welcome (always with the caveat that this list > is publicly archived) But even as such they are much valuable to a reader who didn't attend. Cheers, /Liman From ogud@ogud.com Thu Mar 31 07:27:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5130128C0F7 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:27:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.139, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E2aaCm2eHCUz for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C8128C0F4 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VETaXm087993 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:29:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-ID: <4D948FCF.9050302@ogud.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:29:35 -0400 From: Olafur Gudmundsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dns-dir@ietf.org References: <20110331083049.GO26225@x27.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20110331083049.GO26225@x27.adm.denic.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Short preliminary summary DNS-DIR @IETF80 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:27:59 -0000 On 31/03/2011 4:30 AM, Peter Koch wrote: > Dear DNS Directorate, > > five of us met over breakfast to discuss some aspects of the directorate's > work: Andrew, Peter, Steven, Tom and me. > > 1) early warning/dns radar > The EW tool that scans I-Ds currently is suspended, there were concerns > re: the volume of messages > Finding WGs that make use of or think of making use of the DNS as a > building block currently works on an ad-hoc basis, either by DNS Dir > members attending WGs because of other duties, curiosity or > occasionally by invitation of the relevant WG chairs or ADs. > To improve this, we thought about recruiting "scouts" that would > watch WGs to get back to the directorate or further review and > response; to be continued > > 2) outreach > The basic RFCs 1034/1035 are not covering enough of the DNS environment > to understand the interdependencies of protocol, operations, roles > and governance issues that frame the boundaries within which workable, > scalable solutions may fit. There are overview documents, including > but not limited to, the more recent RFC 5507, 6055 and the current > IAB I-D draft-iab-dns-applications-01.txt as well as the DNS tutorial > (IETF Sunday tutorial program), but for more outreach it might be helpful > to document more of the "unwritten rules" (to the extent they exist, > i.e., basic assumption). > > Other than that there are a couple of successful recent examples where > addressing DNS issues within the WGs (list and/or meeting) has worked > to get the direction right. There are also less successful examples, > where the problems were identified and communicated (this may or may > not include the suggestion of alternative approaches (to the extent > they exist). > > 3) advise to the ADs > As a first step we agreed to compile a short list of WGs we attended > with DNS on their agenda/roadmap to identify those that might need > more (and probably hiher) attention. Please stay tuned. > > -Peter > > PS: these are not minutes but my personal summary; contributions and further > discussion welcome (always with the caveat that this list is publicly archived) > _______________________________________________ Good summary Peter, Steven Morris agreed to take the pen on #2) i.e. start collecting text and items that might fall into that. We also talked about the DNS implications of Aggressive DNS pre-fetching by browsers and its implications. There are number of dimensions to this before we can even give guidance if this is bad/ok practice, how to do it better, privacy implications, etc. We should reach out to some researchers to measure how common this is and how much reuse data in Caches actually gets. I will post a followup message to dns-directorate to kick-off discussion on this topic. Olafur From ogud@ogud.com Thu Mar 31 07:37:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166863A6A92 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:37:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.090, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7vCsOVa2il1b for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C333A6B49 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VEcmvD088081 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:38:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-ID: <4D9491F7.3000904@ogud.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:38:47 -0400 From: Olafur Gudmundsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DNS Directorate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] Implications of aggressive pre-fetching of DNS data X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:37:11 -0000 For usability and page load time reasons number of browsers have started to aggressively query for DNS names in the current page being displayed. This - leads to more DNS traffic - may have implications on memory consumption by DNS resolvers, - could be used as a DoS mechanishm - could be used for tracking users by using specialy crafted DNS queries in links that will never will be clicked on. and more. In general this is an example where one party on the internet may do things that "improve her measures" while harming others. The goal of this discussion is to see if we want to encourage some research on this issue, and possibly reach out and try to start a dialog to moderate the effects of DNS pre-fetching. Olafur From mlarson@verisign.com Thu Mar 31 08:35:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3F93A6844 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:35:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.822 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.822 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.223, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9xPdYH5s9amM for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from farnsworth.verisignlabs.com (farnsworth.verisignlabs.com [72.13.58.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B34F3A6983 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monsoon.verisignlabs.com (h87.s239.verisign.com [216.168.239.87]) by farnsworth.verisignlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A097F90B2 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DUL1MLARSON-M2 (unknown [10.131.244.246]) by monsoon.verisignlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468FB24251E for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:37:08 -0400 From: Matt Larson To: DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20110331153708.GB30164@DUL1MLARSON-M2.labs.vrsn.com> References: <4D9491F7.3000904@ogud.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D9491F7.3000904@ogud.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Implications of aggressive pre-fetching of DNS data X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:35:30 -0000 On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > The goal of this discussion is to see if we want to encourage some > research on this issue, We've done a little research to understand popular browser behavior. It's not quite in good enough shape to release (yet). > and possibly reach out and try to start a dialog to moderate the > effects of DNS pre-fetching. I'm extremely pessimistic that any moderation of the browser vendors' position is possible. It's a never-ending race to render pages as fast as possible and now that they've discovered pre-fetching, there'll be no reversing this behavior. DNS infrastructure providers just need to provision accordingly and deal with it. Matt