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I have been in some contact with some individuals that are active in =
this area.

What will be important is to from a DNS perspective see:

- What problems are solved by DNS interaction, and what is by using HTTP =
interaction (i.e. in what layer in the architecture are identifiers =
transformed)?

- For the pieces of the problems that are DNS issues, what tools that =
DNS contain will be used? Will we see more use of CNAME or new =
"innovative" TXT RR usage just because "people have not implemented =
SRV"?

I.e. I am nervous that the battle will be between:

1. The ones that want a theoretically perfect solution
2. The people that already have solutions and what them rubberstamped
3. The people that deal with DNS
4. The people that deal with HTTP

Somewhat those groups are overlapping, but I am nervous the work will be =
harder than what it at first looks like. Because (for example) some =
people want a more DNS heavy solution while others want a more HTTP =
heavy solution.

Have we heard that before in the IETF? ;-)

That said, I think this work is both important and needed!

So, go ahead!

   Patrik

On 15 jun 2011, at 11.42, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:

>=20
>=20
> Hi,=20
>=20
> Please see the proposal below for a new WG. All comments and questions =
should be sent to iesg@ietf.org.=20
>=20
> Thanks and Regards,
>=20
> Dan=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: iesg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf =
Of IESG Secretary
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:19 PM
> To: IETF Announcement list
> Cc: cdni@ietf.org
> Subject: WG Review: Content Delivery Networks Interconnection (cdni)=20=

>=20
> A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Transport Area.  The=20=

> IESG has not made any determination as yet. The following draft =
charter=20
> was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please=20=

> send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by =
Tuesday,=20
> June 21, 2011.                      =20
>=20
> Content Delivery Networks Interconnection (cdni)
> ------------------------------------------------
> Current Status: Proposed Working Group
> Last updated: 2011-05-27
>=20
> Chairs:
>  TBD
>=20
> Transport Area Directors:
>  Wesley Eddy <wes@mti-systems.com>
>  David Harrington <ietfdbh@comcast.net>
>=20
> Transport Area Advisor:
>  David Harrington <ietfdbh@comcast.net>
>=20
> Mailing lists:
>  Address: cdni@ietf.org
>  To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni
>  Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/cdni/
>=20
> Description of Working Group:
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> A Content Delivery Network (CDN) is an infrastructure of network=20
> elements operating at layer 4 through layer 7, arranged for the=20
> efficient distribution and delivery of digital content. Such content=20=

> includes, but is not limited to, web pages and images delivered via=20
> HTTP, and streaming of continuous media delivered via HTTP, RTSP, =
RTMP,=20
> etc. CDNs typically provide services to multiple Content Service=20
> Providers (CSPs).
>=20
> CDNs provide numerous benefits: a shared platform for multi-service=20
> content delivery, reduced transmission costs for cacheable content,=20
> improved quality of experience for end users and increased robustness =
of=20
> delivery. For these reasons they are frequently used for large-scale=20=

> content delivery.
>=20
> As a result of the significant growth in content delivered over IP=20
> networks, existing CDN providers are scaling up their infrastructure =
and=20
> many Network Service Providers and Enterprise Service Providers are=20
> deploying their own CDNs. Subject to the policy of the CSP, it is=20
> generally desirable that a given item of content can be delivered to =
an=20
> end user regardless of that end user's location or attachment network.=20=

> This creates a need for interconnecting (previously) standalone CDNs =
so=20
> they can interoperate and collectively behave as a single delivery=20
> infrastructure.
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> The goal of the CDNI Working Group is to allow the interconnection of=20=

> separately administered CDNs in support of the end-to-end delivery of=20=

> content from CSPs through multiple CDNs and ultimately to end users =
(via=20
> their respective User Agents). The CDNI WG aims at delivering a=20
> targeted, deployable solution in a short timeframe (18-24 months) as=20=

> needed by the industry. It is expected that the CDNI interfaces will =
be=20
> realized using existing IETF protocols for transport and message=20
> exchange, and using existing object notation grammars/languages for =
the=20
> definition of CDNI objects and semantics. In the event that protocol=20=

> extensions or new protocols are deemed necessary by the WG, the WG =
will=20
> recharter.
>=20
> The working group will focus on the following items:
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> - A "problem statement" document providing a description of the =
problem=20
>  and a common terminology.
>=20
> - A "use case" document describing scenarios for usage and =
applications=20
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>=20
> - A "framework" document providing a description of the different=20
>  components of the CDNI architecture and how they interact with one=20
>  another. This document will also include a "threat analysis"=20
>  discussing the security concerns and threats, the trust model and=20
>  privacy issues specific to CDNI.
>=20
> - A "requirements" document. This document lists the requirements for=20=

>  the CDNI architecture and the CDNI interfaces. In particular, this=20
>  document will focus on identifying a reasonable set of more urgent =
and=20
>  important requirements that will be addressed in the initial set of=20=

>  CDNI protocols and solutions produced by the working group. This=20
>  document will list the requirements stemming from the threat analysis=20=

>  and to be met by each of the CDNI interfaces.
>=20
> - A specification of the "CDNI request-routing interface". This=20
>  interface will allow an upstream CDN request routing system to obtain=20=

>  from the downstream CDN the information necessary to perform request=20=

>  redirection.
>=20
> - A specification of the "CDNI metadata interface". This interface =
will=20
>  allow the CDNs to exchange content distribution metadata of inter-CDN=20=

>  scope. Content distribution metadata refers to the subset of content=20=

>  metadata that is relevant to the distribution of the content and=20
>  therefore is to be processed by CDNs (for example, this may include=20=

>  information enabling: content acquisition, geo-blocking, enforcement=20=

>  of availability windows or access control).
>=20
> - A specification of the "CDNI logging interface". This interface will=20=

>  allow CDN logging systems to exchange logging information associated=20=

>  with actions that are relevant across CDNs (such as content=20
>  distribution, content delivery and content routing actions) for=20
>  purposes of accounting, analytics, monitoring, etc.
>=20
> - A specification of the "CDNI control interface". In particular, this=20=

>  interface will allow an upstream CDN to remove or invalidate content=20=

>  in a downstream CDN.
>=20
> The WG will discuss and address the security, management and =
operational =20
> issues specific to CDNI, inside the above documents and =
specifications.
>=20
> The working group will only define solutions for aspects of the CDN =20=

> Interconnection problem space that require direct communication or =20
> interoperation between CDNs.
>=20
> In particular, the WG will not define:
>=20
> - New session, transport or network protocols.
>=20
> - New protocols for delivering content from a CDN to an End User/User=20=

>  Agent.
>=20
> - New protocols for ingestion of content or metadata between a CSP and =
a=20
>  CDN.
>=20
> - New protocols for acquiring content across CDNs.
>=20
> - Protocols and algorithms for intra-CDN operations.
>=20
> - Support for Transparent Caching across CDNs.
>=20
> - New applications consuming CDNI logs.
>=20
> - Digital Right Management (DRM) mechanisms.
>=20
> The CDNI WG will work with other IETF WGs to assess, and where=20
> appropriate, leverage protocols developed by those WGs, in order to=20
> realize the CDNI requirements and CDNI interfaces. For example, the WG=20=

> may assess the suitability of the ALTO protocol as a protocol to =
enable=20
> downstream CDNs to exchange information which may aid an upstream CDN=20=

> with making CDNI request routing decisions. The CDNI WG will also=20
> coordinate with relevant groups outside the IETF such as UltraViolet.
>=20
> Goals and Milestones
>=20
> WG Creation + 6 months:   Submit CDNI problem statement to IESG as=20
>                          Informational
> WG Creation + 9 months:   Submit CDNI use cases to IESG as =
Informational
> WG Creation + 12 months:  Submit CDNI framework to IESG as =
Informational
> WG Creation + 12 months:  Submit CDNI requirements to IESG as=20
>                          Informational
> WG Creation + 18 months:  Submit specification of the CDNI Request=20
>                          Routing interface to IESG as Proposed =
Standard
> WG Creation + 18 months:  Submit specification of the CDNI Logging=20
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> WG Creation + 18 months:  Submit specification of the CDNI Control=20
>                          interface to IESG as proposed Standard
> WG Creation + 24 months:  Submit specification of the CDNI Metadata=20
>                          Distribution interface to IESG as Proposed=20
>                          Standard
> WG Creation + 24 months:  Recharter or dissolve
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On 24 jun 2011, at 15.33, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:

>  o draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3536bis-02
>    Terminology Used in Internationalization in the IETF (BCP)
>    Token: Pete Resnick

This is a good document, very needed.

   Patrik


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Dear DNS Directorate members,

this is an attempt to schedule a face-to-face meeting during the Quebec IETF.
Before initiating a doodle poll, please let me know whether you're going
and what the general constraints (presence, other fixed directorate meetings)
there are.

I believe the agenda can be carried on from last time - revive the directorate
after assessing the need to the ADs.  More short term topics would be a
structured review of, e.g., the dane documents and the homenet (ex homegate)
draft wg charter.

Best regards,
   Peter

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Not going to be there
	
	Olafur

On 29/06/2011 1:51 PM, Peter Koch wrote:
> Dear DNS Directorate members,
>
> this is an attempt to schedule a face-to-face meeting during the Quebec IETF.
> Before initiating a doodle poll, please let me know whether you're going
> and what the general constraints (presence, other fixed directorate meetings)
> there are.
>
> I believe the agenda can be carried on from last time - revive the directorate
> after assessing the need to the ADs.  More short term topics would be a
> structured review of, e.g., the dane documents and the homenet (ex homegate)
> draft wg charter.
>
> Best regards,
>     Peter
> _______________________________________________
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> dns-dir@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir
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>
>


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Me neither...

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On 29 jun 2011, at 20.16, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote:

> Not going to be there
> =09
> 	Olafur
>=20
> On 29/06/2011 1:51 PM, Peter Koch wrote:
>> Dear DNS Directorate members,
>>=20
>> this is an attempt to schedule a face-to-face meeting during the =
Quebec IETF.
>> Before initiating a doodle poll, please let me know whether you're =
going
>> and what the general constraints (presence, other fixed directorate =
meetings)
>> there are.
>>=20
>> I believe the agenda can be carried on from last time - revive the =
directorate
>> after assessing the need to the ADs.  More short term topics would be =
a
>> structured review of, e.g., the dane documents and the homenet (ex =
homegate)
>> draft wg charter.
>>=20
>> Best regards,
>>    Peter
>> _______________________________________________
>> dns-dir mailing list
>> dns-dir@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>=20
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On 29/06/2011 20:25, Patrik Fältström wrote:
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>>>
>>> this is an attempt to schedule a face-to-face meeting during the Quebec IETF.
>>> Before initiating a doodle poll, please let me know whether you're going
>>> and what the general constraints (presence, other fixed directorate meetings)
>>> there are.

I'll be there.

Stephen


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Hi,=20

I'll be in Quebec. Scheduled is as tight as always.=20

Thanks and Regards,

Dan=20

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> Before initiating a doodle poll, please let me know whether you're
> going
> and what the general constraints (presence, other fixed directorate
> meetings)
> there are.
>=20
> I believe the agenda can be carried on from last time - revive the
> directorate
> after assessing the need to the ADs.  More short term topics would be
a
> structured review of, e.g., the dane documents and the homenet (ex
> homegate)
> draft wg charter.
>=20
> Best regards,
>    Peter
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On 6/29/11 10:51 AM, Peter Koch wrote:
> Dear DNS Directorate members,
>
> this is an attempt to schedule a face-to-face meeting during the Quebec IETF.
> Before initiating a doodle poll, please let me know whether you're going
> and what the general constraints (presence, other fixed directorate meetings)
> there are.

I'll be in Quebec?

    Erik
