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X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:59:05 -0000 On Jun 30, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > I'll be in Quebec. Scheduled is as tight as always. me too.. ________________________________________________________ Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ From narten@us.ibm.com Wed Jul 13 15:17:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597CA11E8086 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:17:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.794 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.794 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.435, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_LWSHORTT=1.24, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jILg8Isb0URA for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e37.co.us.ibm.com (e37.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.158]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C855511E8082 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.227]) by e37.co.us.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p6DMEI6J027478 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:14:18 -0600 Received: from d03av03.boulder.ibm.com (d03av03.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.169]) by d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id p6DMHKHM169456 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:17:20 -0600 Received: from d03av03.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av03.boulder.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id p6DGHI7L015741 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:17:18 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-230-39.mts.ibm.com [9.65.230.39]) by d03av03.boulder.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id p6DGHHJA015723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:17:18 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.12.5) with ESMTP id p6DMHHna018728 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:17:18 -0400 Message-Id: <201107132217.p6DMHHna018728@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: dns-dir@ietf.org In-reply-to: <20110629175145.GG10707@x27.adm.denic.de> References: <20110629175145.GG10707@x27.adm.denic.de> Comments: In-reply-to Peter Koch message dated "Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:51:45 +0200." Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:17:17 -0400 From: Thomas Narten Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Directorate @IETF81? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:17:25 -0000 > this is an attempt to schedule a face-to-face meeting during the Quebec IETF. > Before initiating a doodle poll, please let me know whether you're going > and what the general constraints (presence, other fixed directorate meetings) > there are. Let me play the curmudgeon for a bit. This directorate doesn't seem to be doing anything particularly useful. Not necessarily a problem (there are lots of moribund directorates, and it seems they tend to stay that way until there is some reason (and energy/motivation!) to revive them.) > I believe the agenda can be carried on from last time - revive the > directorate after assessing the need to the ADs. More short term > topics would be a structured review of, e.g., the dane documents and > the homenet (ex homegate) draft wg charter. If we had something of substance to discuss, we could talk about having a meeting. But calling for a meeting in absence of an agenda does not strike me as particularly helpful. Especially given our previous history. Getting reviews is a great thing -- especially if someone else does them. :-) Let's not meet if we have not substantive agenda. And let's also not worry about the fact that we don't meet and aren't the most productive directorate. I'm on several others that do even less... in fact, one had a dinner in SF at which it was just socializing. we had no agenda and did not have anything near a substantive discussion on any particular topic. (the meal and company was good, though!). :) Thomas From dromasca@avaya.com Wed Jul 13 21:49:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0655321F86AC for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:49:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.243, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_LWSHORTT=1.24, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3fu+MEFVCYpQ for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5345E21F85E2 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:49:22 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcAAHV0Hk7GmAcF/2dsb2JhbABTmBKPPnevFAKbSIVbXwSYAYs1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,527,1304308800"; d="scan'208";a="256503237" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2011 00:49:20 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.10]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2011 00:47:41 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 06:49:16 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201107132217.p6DMHHna018728@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [dns-dir] DNS Directorate @IETF81? Thread-Index: AcxBqqdNIl3ianfdSMOXLwp3wDzx6AANldCQ References: <20110629175145.GG10707@x27.adm.denic.de> <201107132217.p6DMHHna018728@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Thomas Narten" , Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Directorate @IETF81? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 04:49:23 -0000 Then, what about 'Do we need the DNS Directorate?' as a point of agenda?=20 Personally as an AD I found the input (advice, documents reviews) of the DNS Directorate as extremely useful. When I got them.=20 Regards, Dan=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Thomas Narten > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:17 AM > To: dns-dir@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Directorate @IETF81? >=20 > > this is an attempt to schedule a face-to-face meeting during the > Quebec IETF. > > Before initiating a doodle poll, please let me know whether you're > going > > and what the general constraints (presence, other fixed directorate > meetings) > > there are. >=20 > Let me play the curmudgeon for a bit. >=20 > This directorate doesn't seem to be doing anything particularly > useful. Not necessarily a problem (there are lots of moribund > directorates, and it seems they tend to stay that way until there is > some reason (and energy/motivation!) to revive them.) >=20 > > I believe the agenda can be carried on from last time - revive the > > directorate after assessing the need to the ADs. More short term > > topics would be a structured review of, e.g., the dane documents and > > the homenet (ex homegate) draft wg charter. >=20 > If we had something of substance to discuss, we could talk about > having a meeting. But calling for a meeting in absence of an agenda > does not strike me as particularly helpful. Especially given our > previous history. >=20 > Getting reviews is a great thing -- especially if someone else does > them. :-) >=20 > Let's not meet if we have not substantive agenda. And let's also not > worry about the fact that we don't meet and aren't the most productive > directorate. I'm on several others that do even less... in fact, one > had a dinner in SF at which it was just socializing. we had no agenda > and did not have anything near a substantive discussion on any > particular topic. (the meal and company was good, though!). :) >=20 > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From townsley@cisco.com Thu Jul 14 03:11:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AC121F8ABE for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:11:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.359 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.359 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, SARE_LWSHORTT=1.24] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mpVi3FNuP-Cj for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8054C21F8ABC for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:11:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=townsley@cisco.com; l=3225; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1310638300; x=1311847900; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=s3ut9UUN3nxXot+ncG5IS+Tr/eDtzrqqOja+9ktxyLc=; b=NXPoQiaWVVgWtBoCM5WT/NJJ6kGSwKNPOBiUeoBf8L/ynd5ji2LQTYkH T2KmM188wvMtRcDXQ1evvpcB+3TsCGJmSCgKJr7J7L1gCr9JCRlNYKIIC YAPmycx3m12JLxRl8X8hR/mhe6/QLWUVwl/L06XDJgHLER5Iafq/xeFUy w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIAAPi/Hk6Q/khR/2dsb2JhbABTmBKPQHeIeqMZnhyFW18EkmSQUw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,528,1304294400"; d="scan'208";a="102088253" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.72.81]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2011 10:11:39 +0000 Received: from ams-townsley-8714.cisco.com (ams-townsley-8714.cisco.com [10.55.233.229]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p6EABdWo014435; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:11:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mark Townsley In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:32:01 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <083C4B94-183C-47B4-9145-AC10139282EC@cisco.com> References: <20110629175145.GG10707@x27.adm.denic.de> <201107132217.p6DMHHna018728@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Thomas Narten , dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Directorate @IETF81? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:11:45 -0000 I think the ROI from the Directorate is quite good. While R is not = always obvious or steady, I think R > I very much is. ADs come and go, some with less DNS clue than others. When I was a new = AD (and even after 4 years on the job), I was very happy to have the = directorate. We had meetings with agendas, and just hearing the = discussion was valuable to my job at the time. If the current ADs and = circumstances do not need as much activity, so be it, but DNS is one of = those things that, even when we actively try and claim is finished and = needs no more help from the IETF, never seems to completely lose the = need for some "directing".=20 - Mark On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:49 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >=20 >=20 > Then, what about 'Do we need the DNS Directorate?' as a point of > agenda?=20 >=20 > Personally as an AD I found the input (advice, documents reviews) of = the > DNS Directorate as extremely useful. When I got them.=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Dan=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of Thomas Narten >> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:17 AM >> To: dns-dir@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Directorate @IETF81? >>=20 >>> this is an attempt to schedule a face-to-face meeting during the >> Quebec IETF. >>> Before initiating a doodle poll, please let me know whether you're >> going >>> and what the general constraints (presence, other fixed directorate >> meetings) >>> there are. >>=20 >> Let me play the curmudgeon for a bit. >>=20 >> This directorate doesn't seem to be doing anything particularly >> useful. Not necessarily a problem (there are lots of moribund >> directorates, and it seems they tend to stay that way until there is >> some reason (and energy/motivation!) to revive them.) >>=20 >>> I believe the agenda can be carried on from last time - revive the >>> directorate after assessing the need to the ADs. More short term >>> topics would be a structured review of, e.g., the dane documents and >>> the homenet (ex homegate) draft wg charter. >>=20 >> If we had something of substance to discuss, we could talk about >> having a meeting. But calling for a meeting in absence of an agenda >> does not strike me as particularly helpful. Especially given our >> previous history. >>=20 >> Getting reviews is a great thing -- especially if someone else does >> them. :-) >>=20 >> Let's not meet if we have not substantive agenda. And let's also not >> worry about the fact that we don't meet and aren't the most = productive >> directorate. I'm on several others that do even less... in fact, one >> had a dinner in SF at which it was just socializing. we had no agenda >> and did not have anything near a substantive discussion on any >> particular topic. (the meal and company was good, though!). :) >>=20 >> Thomas >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From narten@us.ibm.com Fri Jul 15 06:29:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D779021F876C for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:29:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.548 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.548 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FKkNI-vIzGBg for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e36.co.us.ibm.com (e36.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.154]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B27A21F8767 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.227]) by e36.co.us.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p6FDNZ1F006654 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:23:35 -0600 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (d03av01.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.167]) by d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id p6FDThV2148050 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:29:43 -0600 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id p6FDThYm014330 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:29:43 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [9.27.177.137]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id p6FDTg1D014245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:29:43 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.12.5) with ESMTP id p6FDTcwD023486; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:29:42 -0400 Message-Id: <201107151329.p6FDTcwD023486@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" In-reply-to: References: <20110629175145.GG10707@x27.adm.denic.de> <201107132217.p6DMHHna018728@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" message dated "Thu, 14 Jul 2011 06:49:16 +0200." Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:29:38 -0400 From: Thomas Narten Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Directorate @IETF81? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:29:51 -0000 > Then, what about 'Do we need the DNS Directorate?' as a point of > agenda? We could have that same conversation about other directorates and a few WGs as well. But we generally don't bother. More trouble to try and kill them than to leave them be. Many other things of higher priority to deal with... And I'm NOT calling for killing the directorate. But I would like to see us get out of this mode where every meeting we call for a meeting, presumably because we are supposed to, and then, not many people show up, and we do navel gazing at our purpose. If there were real issues to discuss, I would be fine with a meeting. > Personally as an AD I found the input (advice, documents reviews) of the > DNS Directorate as extremely useful. When I got them. ADs call: kill it, use it as it exists, or try and change it. Personally, I think we should keep it. But let's quit trying to make it do things that it has shown little inkling of doing. Thomas From liman@autonomica.se Fri Jul 15 09:08:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3446521F8A55 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:08:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.748 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.748 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, SARE_LWSHORTT=1.24] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2+EcqYh9t988 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cafax.se (mail.cafax.se [IPv6:2a00:801:11:53::4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298F221F8A4F for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net (c-5eeaaa2c-74736162.cust.telenor.se [94.234.170.44]) by mail.cafax.se (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6FG8cuV015380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:08:39 +0200 (MEST) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ziptop.autonomica.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6FG8aYP002108 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:08:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Lars-Johan Liman To: dns-dir@ietf.org References: <20110629175145.GG10707@x27.adm.denic.de> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:08:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20110629175145.GG10707@x27.adm.denic.de> (Peter Koch's message of "Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:51:45 +0200") Message-ID: <224o2n8r23.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Directorate @IETF81? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:08:43 -0000 pk@DENIC.DE: > Dear DNS Directorate members, > this is an attempt to schedule a face-to-face meeting during the Quebec IETF. > Before initiating a doodle poll, please let me know whether you're going > and what the general constraints (presence, other fixed directorate meetings) > there are. > I believe the agenda can be carried on from last time - revive the directorate > after assessing the need to the ADs. More short term topics would be a > structured review of, e.g., the dane documents and the homenet (ex homegate) > draft wg charter. I'll be there. If we go for a meeting, I urge you to not schedule it for Thursday evening (28th) 4:00-8:00 PM. The reson will hopefully be obvious to you all very shortly (hours) ... ;-) Cheers, /Liman From peter@denic.de Wed Jul 20 09:39:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F6821F869E for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:39:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vbNZiPkyFU1y for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (office.denic.de [IPv6:2a02:568:122:16:1::4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263BE21F8698 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1QjZoF-0005r6-Qe; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:39:43 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1QjZoF-0004Vq-Mj; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:39:43 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:39:43 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: Lars-Johan Liman Message-ID: <20110720163943.GL25368@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: Lars-Johan Liman , dns-dir@ietf.org References: <20110629175145.GG10707@x27.adm.denic.de> <224o2n8r23.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <224o2n8r23.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Directorate @IETF81? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:39:56 -0000 On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 06:08:36PM +0200, Lars-Johan Liman wrote: > If we go for a meeting, I urge you to not schedule it for Thursday > evening (28th) 4:00-8:00 PM. The reson will hopefully be obvious to you > all very shortly (hours) ... ;-) i missed this email, so the doodle poll includes Thu, but feel free to skip. Let's have food somewhere and discuss sans agenda. -Peter From peter@denic.de Mon Jul 25 11:53:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C3321F8BB3 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:53:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.537 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.537 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.062, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GUW96NSRqf6L for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (office.denic.de [IPv6:2a02:568:122:16:1::4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4971921F8BAC for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1QlQH6-00032Z-QG; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:53:08 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1QlQH6-00060c-MS; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:53:08 +0200 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:53:08 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20110725185308.GB7136@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: IETF DNS Directorate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Dinner X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:53:14 -0000 Folks, to those present in Quebec, the poll resulted in tonight as the best choice for "food consumption". I suggest we assemble in the Hilton lobby at 20:00 and find something to eat. I'll try to get recommendations (and reservations) from the concierge. -Peter From jari.arkko@piuha.net Mon Jul 25 11:58:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B3611E8091; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:58:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.442 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.442 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.157, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PuPKcFc144MO; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7697E22800F; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF942CEFF; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:58:23 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I5wGkAgJiexT; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:58:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859912CC4B; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:58:22 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4E2DBCCD.7050304@piuha.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:58:21 -0400 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20101027) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dns directorate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "ietf-iana@ietf.org" Subject: [dns-dir] long TLD names X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:58:25 -0000 I got a question from Elise at the IETF-IANA team today about the impact of increasing the length of the TLDs to potentially up to 63 bytes, as ICANN is going to allow these. The question was whether there are any IETF specifications that are affected. My guess was that the answer is no, all potential problems are in the implementions. But you would know this better. What does the DNS directorate say? Jari From dromasca@avaya.com Mon Jul 25 12:00:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D364F11E80BF for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:00:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.217, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p9flWMzc1u2M for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFD711E80A6 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:00:13 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au0AANy8LU6HCzI1/2dsb2JhbAA0AQEBAQMBAQERIgo6FwUCAQkNAQMEAQELBhgLAQYBExgjDggBAQUBFgwbl1uPV3eJAKQeAptPhWBfBJgViz0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,264,1309752000"; d="scan'208";a="258590981" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2011 15:00:11 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.10]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2011 14:52:42 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:00:08 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20110725185308.GB7136@x27.adm.denic.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Dinner Thread-Index: AcxK/B+mpmXEdoZVSImwey8QA1KG3AAAJ0fw References: <20110725185308.GB7136@x27.adm.denic.de> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Peter Koch" , "IETF DNS Directorate" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Dinner X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:00:17 -0000 Hi,=20 I need to skip the meeting in this case. There is a Data Center Operations BarBOF scheduled for tonight that I must attend.=20 Please go ahead without me.=20 Regards, Dan=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Peter Koch > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:53 PM > To: IETF DNS Directorate > Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Dinner >=20 > Folks, >=20 > to those present in Quebec, the poll resulted in tonight as the best > choice for "food consumption". I suggest we assemble in the Hilton > lobby at 20:00 and find something to eat. I'll try to get > recommendations > (and reservations) from the concierge. >=20 > -Peter > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From ogud@ogud.com Mon Jul 25 12:02:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206CB21F8B82 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:02:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.537 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.537 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.062, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A0CkfpIwpWUZ for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798EE21F8B80 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6PJ2a9r003670; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:02:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-ID: <4E2DBDCB.4040306@ogud.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:02:35 -0400 From: Olafur Gudmundsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jari Arkko , DNS Directorate References: <4E2DBCCD.7050304@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <4E2DBCCD.7050304@piuha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: Re: [dns-dir] long TLD names X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:02:38 -0000 On 25/07/2011 2:58 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: > I got a question from Elise at the IETF-IANA team today about the impact > of increasing the length of the TLDs to potentially up to 63 bytes, as > ICANN is going to allow these. > > The question was whether there are any IETF specifications that are > affected. My guess was that the answer is no, all potential problems are > in the implementions. But you would know this better. What does the DNS > directorate say? > > Jari > see: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liman-tld-names-05 Short answer is no specification issue, only application concerns, thus the rules that are being proposed in there. Olafur From paf@cisco.com Mon Jul 25 12:14:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A110C21F8C14; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:14:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KKSluDyhf6Oc; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DA921F8C05; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:14:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=paf@cisco.com; l=1157; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1311621255; x=1312830855; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=1/jBxhsU/IB/EdafuImFl9vBpGPUFiOBKsF8Wogd14Q=; b=BEFM89Ysn9oxGYteIuXSTyO7+sGXNYsj6bdbhFf6IhjQ7wB6ii6vL091 eV4eqai1UU5X5dU539X4454wUEPL0kpa/bOGuHQhWXoKChVZwxgqflZSA qt7WlMbMEyeRFw464AKb9P8ImfC0Xq9XGTd8oEmj2zQyWmjsyuFH0MKDV 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EADW/LU6Q/khL/2dsb2JhbAA0AQEBAQIBFAErRQUMDFIUUQc+pzN3iHyhcJ4nhWBfBJJwkGI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,264,1309737600"; d="scan'208";a="104226503" Received: from ams-core-2.cisco.com ([144.254.72.75]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2011 19:14:14 +0000 Received: from dhcp-10-61-101-243.cisco.com (dhcp-10-61-101-243.cisco.com [10.61.101.243]) by ams-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p6PJEDtX007717; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:14:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= In-Reply-To: <4E2DBCCD.7050304@piuha.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:14:11 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4E2DBCCD.7050304@piuha.net> To: Jari Arkko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: dns directorate , "ietf-iana@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] long TLD names X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:14:16 -0000 On 25 jul 2011, at 20.58, Jari Arkko wrote: > I got a question from Elise at the IETF-IANA team today about the = impact of increasing the length of the TLDs to potentially up to 63 = bytes, as ICANN is going to allow these. >=20 > The question was whether there are any IETF specifications that are = affected. My guess was that the answer is no, all potential problems are = in the implementions. But you would know this better. What does the DNS = directorate say? I would agree with this, but we do know there where problems with = .MUSEUM and other TLDs that broke the 3-char limit. I do not remember = any application layer protocol that have a limit that is more = restrictive than that. One should check DN definitions in X.509...I vaguely remember problems = with OpenSSL when I had to generate new cert for a server that had a = total length of a domain name that was "too many characters" (that was = surprisingly low, definitely lower than 63 characters). I can not find = the blog entry where I wrote about it though... :-( Of course, it is important one count the number of characters in an = A-label. Patrik From peter@denic.de Mon Jul 25 12:23:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E6D11E809F; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.543 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.543 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id exTvdgIB0b5D; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (office.denic.de [IPv6:2a02:568:122:16:1::4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F414711E8098; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1QlQkg-0003H9-W2; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:23:43 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1QlQkg-0006RA-SS; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:23:42 +0200 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:23:42 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: Jari Arkko Message-ID: <20110725192342.GC7136@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: Jari Arkko , dns directorate , "ietf-iana@ietf.org" References: <4E2DBCCD.7050304@piuha.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E2DBCCD.7050304@piuha.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Cc: dns directorate , "ietf-iana@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] long TLD names X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:23:48 -0000 On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 02:58:21PM -0400, Jari Arkko wrote: > The question was whether there are any IETF specifications that are > affected. My guess was that the answer is no, all potential problems are > in the implementions. But you would know this better. What does the DNS > directorate say? it is unclear what (applications) protocols assume about domain names and their lengths, but the last authoritative word is in RFC 1123: Host software MUST handle host names of up to 63 characters and SHOULD handle host names of up to 255 characters. So, in theory you could hit the boundary of a piece of software that is within the boundaries of the MUST, but outside teh SHOULD and thus would be unable to process anything but the top label. In practice, I doubt this is going to happen - but no oath. Also, the 63 label length is for the on-the-wire format! -Peter From liman@autonomica.se Mon Jul 25 13:34:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B26B11E80B7; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l9JpjKAoZEFJ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cafax.se (mail.cafax.se [IPv6:2a00:801:11:53::4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADD811E80B1; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net ([130.129.87.105]) by mail.cafax.se (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6PKYMfX028269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:34:24 +0200 (MEST) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ziptop.autonomica.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6PKYLbQ001159; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:34:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Lars-Johan Liman To: dns directorate , "ietf-iana\@ietf.org" References: <4E2DBCCD.7050304@piuha.net> <20110725192342.GC7136@x27.adm.denic.de> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:34:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20110725192342.GC7136@x27.adm.denic.de> (Peter Koch's message of "Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:23:42 +0200") Message-ID: <22tyaaxfoy.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [dns-dir] long TLD names X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:34:27 -0000 pk@DENIC.DE: > it is unclear what (applications) protocols assume about domain names and > their lengths, but the last authoritative word is in RFC 1123: > Host software MUST handle host names of up to 63 characters and > SHOULD handle host names of up to 255 characters. > So, in theory you could hit the boundary of a piece of software that > is within the boundaries of the MUST, but outside teh SHOULD and thus > would be unable to process anything but the top label. In practice, > I doubt this is going to happen - but no oath. > Also, the 63 label length is for the on-the-wire format! Hmm. Interesting. I must check up on that. Especially: how does RFC 1123 (as opposed to other docs) define "hostname" - FQDN or first label, or not at all? So ... I think Elise is interested in the TLD-label specifically, not hostnames. Of course, the math around the TLD has effects on the FQDN as well, so it becomes even worse, but it's kind of hopeless if we're going to take every application on the planet into account. X.509 is indeed an important structure to take into account, but who is going to make the call in the gray zone? I think the IANA should have a liberal policy, but add a "note well" statement that says "long TLDs may lead to problems at the other end of the domain name ... - you have been warned!". In all honesty, it's not IANA's (nor the IETF's) fault that people choose to make bad implementations, by making the implementation judgement "I'll stick to the MUST, and ignore the SHOULD". That is a conscious decision to limit oneself at the risk of being incompatible with other players. I say 63 octets per label, and 255 for the total length are the limits that should be applied - TLD label or not. YMMV. (I have a distinct feeling that a big black ugly furry creature wearing T-shirt that says "Now is the time to clarify all the mess from the '80s with inconsistent and unclear DNS sytnax definitions.", is lurking over _my_ shoulder ... Anyone want to trade places? ;-) Cheers, /Liman #---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Lars-Johan Liman, M.Sc. ! E-mail/SIP/Jabber: liman@autonomica.se # Senior Systems Specialist ! Tel: +46 8 - 562 860 12 # Autonomica AB, Stockholm ! http://www.autonomica.se/ #---------------------------------------------------------------------- From liman@autonomica.se Mon Jul 25 13:34:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414B921F84A1 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:34:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z9-3rB5PR2xp for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cafax.se (mail.cafax.se [IPv6:2a00:801:11:53::4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5C621F846A for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net ([130.129.87.105]) by mail.cafax.se (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6PKYhRW021667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:34:44 +0200 (MEST) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ziptop.autonomica.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6PKYg1m001162 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:34:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Lars-Johan Liman To: IETF DNS Directorate References: <20110725185308.GB7136@x27.adm.denic.de> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:34:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20110725185308.GB7136@x27.adm.denic.de> (Peter Koch's message of "Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:53:08 +0200") Message-ID: <22oc0ixfod.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Dinner X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:34:47 -0000 pk@DENIC.DE: > Folks, > to those present in Quebec, the poll resulted in tonight as the best > choice for "food consumption". I suggest we assemble in the Hilton > lobby at 20:00 and find something to eat. I'll try to get recommendations > (and reservations) from the concierge. I'll be there. Cheers, /Liman From nordmark@acm.org Mon Jul 25 14:07:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C6511E809E for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qbY12P8DL7lZ for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512C011E809A for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.83.144] (128-107-239-233.cisco.com [128.107.239.233]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id p6PL7jcW022171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:07:46 -0700 Message-ID: <4E2DDB20.4050403@acm.org> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:07:44 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dns-dir@ietf.org References: <20110725185308.GB7136@x27.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Dinner X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:07:49 -0000 +1 Erik On 7/25/11 12:00 PM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > > Hi, > > I need to skip the meeting in this case. There is a Data Center > Operations BarBOF scheduled for tonight that I must attend. > > Please go ahead without me. > > Regards, > > Dan > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of Peter Koch >> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:53 PM >> To: IETF DNS Directorate >> Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Dir Dinner >> >> Folks, >> >> to those present in Quebec, the poll resulted in tonight as the best >> choice for "food consumption". I suggest we assemble in the Hilton >> lobby at 20:00 and find something to eat. I'll try to get >> recommendations >> (and reservations) from the concierge. >> >> -Peter >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >