From jari.arkko@piuha.net Wed Nov 2 11:57:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4BF1F0C6F for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:57:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.583 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.583 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XAAg0bDz4BH0 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CB71F0C44 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61112CED1 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:57:27 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b5y+31lo2CFu for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:57:27 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222892CC61 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:57:27 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4EB19296.5090508@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 20:57:26 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dns-dir@ietf.org References: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de> <4E8F0D49.9040908@ogud.com> In-Reply-To: <4E8F0D49.9040908@ogud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 18:57:29 -0000 I am currently available on Monday. Maybe Tuesday, but iffy. Jari From ogud@ogud.com Wed Nov 2 12:15:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D517A11E817B for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:15:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3qIZlE5klM9W for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3934F11E8175 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pA2JFjKx014602 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:15:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-ID: <4EB196D9.2070505@ogud.com> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 15:15:37 -0400 From: Olafur Gudmundsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dns-dir@ietf.org References: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de> <4E8F0D49.9040908@ogud.com> <4EB19296.5090508@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <4EB19296.5090508@piuha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:15:48 -0000 +1 for Monday Olafur On 11/2/2011 2:57 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: > I am currently available on Monday. Maybe Tuesday, but iffy. > > Jari > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > > > From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Wed Nov 2 12:30:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02861F0C5D for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:30:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zpiboo6OQQ3F for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B4F1F0C44 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shinkuro.com (69-196-144-227.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 69C4A1ECB420 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:30:26 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20111102193026.GF58521@shinkuro.com> References: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de> <4E8F0D49.9040908@ogud.com> <4EB19296.5090508@piuha.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4EB19296.5090508@piuha.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:30:30 -0000 I have no plans for Mon. A On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 08:57:26PM +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: > I am currently available on Monday. Maybe Tuesday, but iffy. > > Jari > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Wed Nov 2 12:54:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928461F0C80 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:54:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AMJLQeMErZPW for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A661F0C56 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5so614944vws.31 for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 12:54:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=FvWJp+1nP6dH1v4GdjV4sg0ZonjoAFm9JNdXHHtdM/s=; b=uOHo0u306JpvR/vG1GieSxAw8fxUNS4v57uwffsQ1xTur+0+OHwjOwoXKDKWepSEJn Jxare9RxDrT6YeLkPcdtFPlAEl84H72qq0JP7pwHgQA5WRnyJUrFtOyMZFBQ89c9JyOd iUHSK0V8dwHtIiPN9bf8i41ROwikHC8kOuT4A= Received: by 10.52.24.102 with SMTP id t6mr5940880vdf.106.1320263670473; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 12:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-rdroms-8912.cisco.com (rtp-isp-nat1.cisco.com. [64.102.254.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id id7sm4541493vdb.21.2011.11.02.12.54.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Nov 2011 12:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <4EB19296.5090508@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:54:28 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <35794C06-EA19-48CF-9EA0-B3365F3AD7CE@gmail.com> References: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de> <4E8F0D49.9040908@ogud.com> <4EB19296.5090508@piuha.net> To: IETF Directorate DNS X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:54:31 -0000 I'm available Monday, as well. - Ralph On Nov 2, 2011, at 2:57 PM 11/2/11, Jari Arkko wrote: > I am currently available on Monday. Maybe Tuesday, but iffy. > > Jari > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From peter@denic.de Wed Nov 2 15:00:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22371F0C78 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:00:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.166 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.166 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.433, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VNSG+PbX44kZ for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (office.denic.de [IPv6:2a02:568:122:16:1::4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D591F0C63 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1RLirN-0001Vy-TQ; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:00:37 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1RLirN-0004FU-Pg; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:00:37 +0100 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 23:00:37 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: Ralph Droms Message-ID: <20111102220037.GS23905@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: Ralph Droms , IETF Directorate DNS References: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de> <4E8F0D49.9040908@ogud.com> <4EB19296.5090508@piuha.net> <35794C06-EA19-48CF-9EA0-B3365F3AD7CE@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <35794C06-EA19-48CF-9EA0-B3365F3AD7CE@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Cc: IETF Directorate DNS Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:00:40 -0000 On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 03:54:28PM -0400, Ralph Droms wrote: > I'm available Monday, as well. thanks, all, I think we can then fix Monday evening (say 20:00). We can start collecting informal agenda items on this list. -Peter From mlarson@verisign.com Fri Nov 4 06:29:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B5021F8C32 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 06:29:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jlc4Pqrc-fsq for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 06:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod6og104.obsmtp.com (exprod6og104.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.187]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BA621F8BF7 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 06:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob104.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:29:59 PDT Received: from dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.113]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id pA4DTtq1028092 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:29:55 -0400 Received: from DUL1MLARSON-M2 ([10.131.30.131]) by dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:29:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:30:00 -0400 From: Matt Larson To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20111104133000.GB40091@DUL1MLARSON-M2.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2011 13:29:54.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6E07100:01CC9AF5] Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:29:59 -0000 On Fri, 07 Oct 2011, Peter Koch wrote: > will enough of us be in Taipei to have an informal DNS directorate > dinner with information exchange? I will not be in Taipei. Matt From olaf@NLnetLabs.nl Fri Nov 4 08:27:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA1B21F8BE7 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:27:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.625 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.625 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WYobJtIyiEDs for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from open.nlnetlabs.nl (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B069C21F8BDC for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (85-126-148-178.work.xdsl-line.inode.at [85.126.148.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pA4FMhSw092353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:27:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) From: Olaf Kolkman Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7EDD4488-22CA-449F-A164-8C9B9EBB79A5"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:09:58 +0100 References: <91FA063F-9720-44A7-B066-6A738AAD4D32@gmx.net> To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]); Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:27:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: [dns-dir] Fwd: [Dnsi] [apps-discuss] Fwd: [weirds] FYI: workshop on domain names and persistence X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 15:27:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7EDD4488-22CA-449F-A164-8C9B9EBB79A5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anybody here knows more about this conference? Will there be any known = DNS folk? The questions that are beeing asked are Interesting to say the = least. --Olaf Begin forwarded message: > From: Hannes Tschofenig > Subject: [Dnsi] Fwd: [apps-discuss] Fwd: [weirds] FYI: workshop on = domain names and persistence > Date: November 3, 2011 10:16:49 AM GMT+01:00 > To: dnsi@iab.org >=20 > FYI: This W3C workshop could be of interest for folks on the DNS = initiative.=20 >=20 >=20 > Begin forwarded message: >=20 >> From: Peter Saint-Andre >> Date: November 3, 2011 6:41:25 AM GMT+02:00 >> To: "apps-discuss@ietf.org" >> Subject: [apps-discuss] Fwd: [weirds] FYI: workshop on domain names = and persistence >>=20 >> Perhaps of interest here... >>=20 >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [weirds] FYI: workshop on domain names and persistence >> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:40:27 -0700 >> From: Peter Saint-Andre >> To: weirds@ietf.org >>=20 >> I learned today of a call for participation in a workshop on domain >> names and persistence to be held in Bristol, UK on December 8: >>=20 >> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/idcc_workshop.html >>=20 >> It's possible that some folks on this list might be interested. Feel >> free to forward as appropriate. >>=20 >> Peter >>=20 >> --=20 >> Peter Saint-Andre >> https://stpeter.im/ >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> weirds mailing list >> weirds@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds >> _______________________________________________ >> apps-discuss mailing list >> apps-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dnsi mailing list > Dnsi@iab.org > https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsi ________________________________________________________=20 Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ =20 --Apple-Mail=_7EDD4488-22CA-449F-A164-8C9B9EBB79A5 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIFMTCCBS0w ggMVoAMCAQICAwn66TANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADB5MRAwDgYDVQQKEwdSb290IENBMR4wHAYDVQQL ExVodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNhY2VydC5vcmcxIjAgBgNVBAMTGUNBIENlcnQgU2lnbmluZyBBdXRob3Jp dHkxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEnN1cHBvcnRAY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzAeFw0xMTAzMjMxNTIzNTlaFw0x MzAzMjIxNTIzNTlaMDkxFTATBgNVBAMTDE9sYWYgS29sa21hbjEgMB4GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYRb2xh ZkBubG5ldGxhYnMubmwwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQCtxtZNngmuLgcf rto+Uax1WhonECqb5W8US2Z+ZPw/ASKsjKEF8Wa3Nnispys6Gj9Sl7C1X0/2pH//qauLpBqA+lHW L9mgdGW1T9KU1Fb8Odqw0PBnIIhbLNQzecZL+BchEetcrubplQWzDOpROCJ00IwXksusBiKqhew4 u7X2QoraW+z32Knj5ogajIhdkAeBHUy1pwXsk/mDnV8cIEdz1MhaZWDSn7kJUQtRMVCpFBjVoiXh ToXMJfiMvn0CKaeFxFm72dcdzvFsw906Ndafd2MOfdP7QSsTVP6sG9am790AOgkzxT5CM77IDPbD zxZlQ8jTdhcp/WtUrFWIU4QBAgMBAAGjgf0wgfowDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADBWBglghkgBhvhCAQ0E SRZHVG8gZ2V0IHlvdXIgb3duIGNlcnRpZmljYXRlIGZvciBGUkVFIGhlYWQgb3ZlciB0byBodHRw Oi8vd3d3LkNBY2VydC5vcmcwQAYDVR0lBDkwNwYIKwYBBQUHAwQGCCsGAQUFBwMCBgorBgEEAYI3 CgMEBgorBgEEAYI3CgMDBglghkgBhvhCBAEwMgYIKwYBBQUHAQEEJjAkMCIGCCsGAQUFBzABhhZo dHRwOi8vb2NzcC5jYWNlcnQub3JnMBwGA1UdEQQVMBOBEW9sYWZAbmxuZXRsYWJzLm5sMA0GCSqG SIb3DQEBBQUAA4ICAQDKn+TpSrPQr3M8c8F2GGx3BgUnJUN7BBdUI7edGLqLrCBDYLIQSeC/uvLJ gXt80tfIEGXENNbjb2lrAyrzdounfwTD5GsXqESDXJfCMYiZxVCDmZ71ncXWw9tCW8EmibhmPAeS fL2yYoGlTOdl48mlZfb0oEB7KeFrjjkP18XbgKsZRhUAmGSBFufJbCxO/LN+F9jCIDOPWM4A6+v3 gjHWc23uW6ZHOqJouviAXkzRJhLSOBSHyOMtgcuGoqoNStzKw3X/FvKXyLF7+Ij5Fss7Gfh0Yiwb rdP9AcZJL8ZWPw6StTJwSJHuly4co//NIozcFcGQ+qY8iUnDU6Y2YjQZ5iFQ3k7HELCknEJF48Ww r18NO5l+Wv6Za5UjJJxI2J8l7f1vE7Pa0/Q0o2m5/TeWhbS3Y1U+jfdXmHIwfcxggzqwerNQ9Pm5 uiwRxwElUPfNVDa30rI+UJ4h/tUJsyPCsbQrcVFt3tqL1tyxcPfkebzGuh6oUTG0VVBLM7wNqG+i nMO1XdqIC1AzNxzq9iOse5YrIK8H++rUdF34vWicvxMMtgzIYGhJwgdRshWs6JL2sRjDCkiUto4b FWixno9yfESzsQ9LmQ/9A8fQyXsIvSdfZ5Ywh/n8j71Za9E/U43dGrMBstldNoBhvKRHv574PAlU JwTq0EP4A0X7e7EqgjGCAzMwggMvAgEBMIGAMHkxEDAOBgNVBAoTB1Jvb3QgQ0ExHjAcBgNVBAsT FWh0dHA6Ly93d3cuY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzEiMCAGA1UEAxMZQ0EgQ2VydCBTaWduaW5nIEF1dGhvcml0 eTEhMB8GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYSc3VwcG9ydEBjYWNlcnQub3JnAgMJ+ukwCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAYcw GAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMTExMTA0MTUwOTU4WjAj BgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxFgQUoG4EE1aAnrbPO5SniHtu7LBbLAowgZEGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDGBgzCBgDB5 MRAwDgYDVQQKEwdSb290IENBMR4wHAYDVQQLExVodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNhY2VydC5vcmcxIjAgBgNV BAMTGUNBIENlcnQgU2lnbmluZyBBdXRob3JpdHkxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEnN1cHBvcnRAY2Fj ZXJ0Lm9yZwIDCfrpMIGTBgsqhkiG9w0BCRACCzGBg6CBgDB5MRAwDgYDVQQKEwdSb290IENBMR4w HAYDVQQLExVodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNhY2VydC5vcmcxIjAgBgNVBAMTGUNBIENlcnQgU2lnbmluZyBB dXRob3JpdHkxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEnN1cHBvcnRAY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZwIDCfrpMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBAQUABIIBAFvap80XfYfXwmHP1z8R2fmUjEeRO/93IawJjXuT3ffVNfWChojmApheCpm5q5gm cYegBFHPKuRrTE/k8HhwXS2r87ChyHP59ZIE2IDLhVbn4hzuJMJDugZfrpi0Y331QEAkl0uLE5ds o3Gx6hfjn3IMmANnltEoadOn5uA3+pnYt3LaLa12o9JLvgoNM9ebYua5iwisnA4KkHx9+0ZHlF/Z TTW5FC+R/tsHxNW9KTQwLPQVMUmrPNiPNdmEUMM82nF/leYQoYbNfoa59716FhgxgrIX6BkTmGfT 5jW+jE2SAfCNV82avtL+aFMUYuHRe5XyjxsMlYxoqVRuJF4n7r8AAAAAAAA= --Apple-Mail=_7EDD4488-22CA-449F-A164-8C9B9EBB79A5-- From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Fri Nov 4 08:43:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF71321F8C19 for ; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Fwd: [Dnsi] [apps-discuss] Fwd: [weirds] FYI: workshop on domain names and persistence X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 15:43:42 -0000 On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 04:09:58PM +0100, Olaf Kolkman wrote: > > Anybody here knows more about this conference? Will there be any known DNS folk? The questions that are beeing asked are Interesting to say the least. > I'm not scheduled to go. The questions are indeed interesting, but they're actually about policy and not protocol. I think there's a deep confusion about that difference underlying the questions (such a confusion is also, IMO, at the root of many of the funny things that browser makers come up with when dealing with the DNS, so it's not too surprising). A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Thu Nov 10 04:43:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA7B21F8B3F for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:43:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5o8pacwPMLdT for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEDF21F8AD2 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5so2770631vws.31 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:43:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :cc:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=rj9BZvJuqvpfyk71vx5/JR3FSYEIs8a8Fhkz7VxygGo=; b=KbYVU9aCrXE7mYnHqoCGPIZdFdXe3FDamUAcfvNfGyXaWh4Y9svoK7cQgRuHrQym4k QcDjYGoPr6HmZJDr3Z6hUlD1BL4poav4D/w4fX2mwV4F8hvcyvLSlGYXFqDuouYkT1Qu Nf766nw3R3CibnOeOZcZ7x+lOU3J1LQQisNHc= Received: by 10.52.76.69 with SMTP id i5mr12552494vdw.4.1320929038153; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-rdroms-8912.cisco.com (rtp-isp-nat1.cisco.com. [64.102.254.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z6sm1815793vdg.18.2011.11.10.04.43.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:43:57 -0800 (PST) From: Ralph Droms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:43:52 -0500 Message-Id: To: IETF DNS Directorate Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: int-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: [dns-dir] Early review of draft-ietf-alto-server-discovery-02.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:43:59 -0000 The alto WG would like to get early expert review on = draft-ietf-alto-server-discovery-02.txt. I'm looking for a member of = the DNS Directorate to volunteer to read the doc and review the use of = DNS in the server discovery mechanism. =20 - Ralph From ogud@ogud.com Thu Nov 10 06:23:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5A021F8ADC for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:23:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id By85ac+eaE3g for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F13E21F8AB9 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAAEN2ke087653 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:23:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-ID: <4EBBDE3C.3050008@ogud.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:22:52 -0500 From: Olafur Gudmundsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dns-dir@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Early review of draft-ietf-alto-server-discovery-02.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:23:04 -0000 I will do that on my flight to Taipei starting in about 2 hours :-) Olafur On 10/11/2011 07:43, Ralph Droms wrote: > The alto WG would like to get early expert review on draft-ietf-alto-server-discovery-02.txt. I'm looking for a member of the DNS Directorate to volunteer to read the doc and review the use of DNS in the server discovery mechanism. > > - Ralph > > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > > > From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Thu Nov 10 06:35:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBC121F8B21 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:35:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.486 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.486 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.113, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xtuDqV6My6h1 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:35:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E12021F8B08 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:35:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5so2903799vws.31 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:35:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=nVldllrM3/u/kzVABDsOh1inV9WPKSZDT9K1vbvF73M=; b=YyTizscn8JIqmBv+Rd8bW0aV/qQSs3hxlIRk1JPYaA+ufjmygQbJhKfFTO8NPu0f6d ZT2pzv8Bf5KDtAuB8ZBqoR1lgglcp7umw9bSEj3E6+UfZIZtAoutXhipyoj5BXxymvk0 IN4VQGpFxRvZSrXUwbADn8y3FKlqVdDKcyxFU= Received: by 10.52.35.147 with SMTP id h19mr13243664vdj.38.1320935726112; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-rdroms-8912.cisco.com (rtp-isp-nat1.cisco.com. [64.102.254.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f7sm12403337vdj.13.2011.11.10.06.35.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:35:25 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <4EBBDE3C.3050008@ogud.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:35:22 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <076B4386-5C5B-49DF-A60F-B7FDD188AEC6@gmail.com> References: <4EBBDE3C.3050008@ogud.com> To: Olafur Gudmundsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: IETF Directorate DNS Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Early review of draft-ietf-alto-server-discovery-02.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:35:30 -0000 I'm glad I could help you out with something to occupy your time on the = flight... Thanks! - Ralph On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:22 AM 11/10/11, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > I will do that on my flight to Taipei starting in about 2 hours :-) >=20 > Olafur >=20 >=20 > On 10/11/2011 07:43, Ralph Droms wrote: >> The alto WG would like to get early expert review on = draft-ietf-alto-server-discovery-02.txt. I'm looking for a member of = the DNS Directorate to volunteer to read the doc and review the use of = DNS in the server discovery mechanism. >>=20 >> - Ralph >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From ogud@ogud.com Sat Nov 12 15:58:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64B211E8073 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:58:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dafr-IEmdLgQ for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C9821F84ED for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:58:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pACNwbLW018635 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:58:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-ID: <4EBF0823.8010001@ogud.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:58:27 -0500 From: Olafur Gudmundsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DNS Directorate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS-dir review of draft-ietf-alto-server-discovery-02 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:58:48 -0000 Olafur --background --- ALTO := Application-Layer Traffic Optimization This work started in the P2P world but now seems to have a goal of intruding on the turf of CDN's. Issue not on the table in this review, "why bother with this complicated protocol when actual data transfer may take less time" I think the answer is this only applies to large data transfers. I tried to keep the review on DNS and DNS related/affected topics. -- review ---- Summary: This draft needs to be updated due to lack of clarity and justifications for design choices and/or change in approach. Item #1: I was not clear if this document's goal was to help application find an ALTO server or the best/closest ALTO sever. After reading this document a few times it seems be implied that it is the second. Item #2: Section 1 final paragraph, this paragraph seems to be in there to say "We picked U-NAPTR and do not want to discuss that any further" The predecessors of the draft used SRV records or said "SRV or NAPTR can be used". Later in the document there is a well hidden gem that says the NAPTR record can contain path to the "db" the ALTO sever uses to answer the query. I think that is the real reason you want to use NAPTR not ease of deployment. Item #3 (Section 1.2) YES This depends on MIF and its resolution real important when there are multiple interfaces and default interface for TCP is not the same as DNS queries will take. If DNS resolution is on a different interface or is done by a remote resolver then the ALTO answer is likely to be sub-optimal or wrong. Item #4 The client must know the IP address that the sever sees the traffic with this requires the client to discover NAT's. Section 2: The document has 3 different ways for the client to start the search by getting a domain name, and a precedence order among these. The assumption here seems to be that the client does not move. I.e. if the client has static user inputed search name, but that does not work in the location of the computer, is the search then restarted at the DHCP specified path ? (this is not clear but I can interpret section 2 both ways) Section 3: As far as I can understand ALTO client will look for NAPTR records that guide it to the appropriate ALTO server. The appropriate ALTO server depends on the IP address of the client that the ALTO server sees (or the world sees?). Issue #4: The document makes the assumptions that all selection of severs can be based on /8, /16, /24, /32 address boundaries (and I guess /4*x for IPv6). and the client discovers this by doing a tree walking up the tree from -. i.e d.c.b.a.. The text says "If there is no response for the lookup the domain name is shortened by one for the succeeding lookup, until the lookup is successful, ..." a) "no response" in DNS speak implies timeout, but that only happens when things are not working. Thus I interpret this text to say, "if no ALTO NAPTR records are found" but there a multiple different possible answers when ALTO Naptr record does not exist: No Error name exist but record does not Answer name exits NAPTR is in answer but none is ALTO Rcode=3 name does not exist the client algorithm needs to handle all of these so please expand. (related to open issue #2 in section 8) b) The current approach of having a ALTO sever domain name populate a DNS name space what looks like a reverse tree is a significant administrative DNS overhead and none of the ALTO documents addresses the cost or effect of doing that. Of course this can be done by having a DNS server that generates the answer on the fly based on the query, but that DNS server then needs the information to create the answer. DNS has a record APL that can be used to express this [RFC3123]. Question: Why can the ALTO client not ask the first ALTO server "are you the right one?" and get back yes/no/redirect ? c) How about about ALTO record that contains the ranges the server supports? This would eliminate the search, a draft idea is ALTO server, , server is domain name path is text string ranges is APL syntax. d) Tree walking is a big no-no in specifications see: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/dnstut.html If you need to do tree walking be aware it will not work well in IPv6. From DNS perspective these are the major issues and I will send textual nits and minor clarifications directly to the editors. From liman@autonomica.se Sun Nov 13 01:26:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338AA21F8B56 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:26:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FfiVs6rDIChh for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:26:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cafax.se (mail.cafax.se [IPv6:2a00:801:11:53::4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2ACB21F8B55 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net (2-1-3-18a.spa.sth.bostream.se [82.182.146.229]) by mail.cafax.se (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pAD9QC1M018963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:26:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ziptop.autonomica.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAD9QA18048087 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:26:11 +0100 (CET) From: Lars-Johan Liman To: dns-dir@ietf.org References: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:26:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de> (Peter Koch's message of "Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:17:15 +0200") Message-ID: <22vcqoe5l9.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:26:16 -0000 pk@DENIC.DE: > will enough of us be in Taipei to have an informal DNS directorate > dinner with information exchange? I am not in Taipei, as you might have noted by now, but I hope you do get together, and I look forward to meeting you all in Paris. Cheers, /Liman From peter@denic.de Sun Nov 13 17:25:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCFE21F85B8 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:25:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.274 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.274 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.325, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qKk+lAca7nuz for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:25:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.denic.de (office.denic.de [IPv6:2a02:568:122:16:1::4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B6B11E80CB for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:25:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1RPlIN-0001jB-4x; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 02:25:11 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1RPlIN-0006A3-13; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 02:25:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 02:25:11 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20111114012511.GQ13798@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: IETF DNS Directorate References: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de> <22vcqoe5l9.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <22vcqoe5l9.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:25:13 -0000 On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:26:10AM +0100, Lars-Johan Liman wrote: > I am not in Taipei, as you might have noted by now, but I hope you do > get together, and I look forward to meeting you all in Paris. thanks. That means we have ACKs from Ralph, Olaf, Dan, Jari, Olafur, Andrew and $me, maybe from Ron, Thomas, Erik, and Tom and NAK/not present from Roy, Matt, Stephen, Liman, and Patrik. So we'd need a table/room for 7-11 people. Please let me know statius updates off list. -Peter From jari.arkko@piuha.net Sun Nov 13 18:59:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C3011E8198 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:59:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tEINKeVta5Sp for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2A711E8197 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3A92CC4D for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 04:59:26 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NGduvpNwCJD6 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 04:59:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CA02CC31 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 04:59:25 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4EC0840B.90708@piuha.net> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:59:23 +0800 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF DNS Directorate References: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de> <22vcqoe5l9.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> <20111114012511.GQ13798@x27.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20111114012511.GQ13798@x27.adm.denic.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 02:59:29 -0000 Unfortunately, I have gotten too much work to prepare for things that happen Tuesday morning to join you tonight. But Ralph will be there... have fun! jari From dromasca@avaya.com Sun Nov 13 19:03:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552551F0CB0 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:03:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.387 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.387 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.212, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RgZZOzUlrRuc for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:03:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951F31F0CAD for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:03:49 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApQAAIKEwE7GmAcF/2dsb2JhbABCmXaQBoEFgXIBAQEBAwEBAQ8eCjQXBAIBCA0EBAEBCwYMAQoBBgEmHwkIAQEEARIIGodonEqaSwSJHGMEmgiMIA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,505,1315195200"; d="scan'208";a="277337091" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2011 22:03:47 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2011 22:02:43 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 04:03:44 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4EC0840B.90708@piuha.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? thread-index: AcyieW6KiLJs752kTquHtrquoLdDAwAAGu4A References: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de><22vcqoe5l9.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net><20111114012511.GQ13798@x27.adm.denic.de> <4EC0840B.90708@piuha.net> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Jari Arkko" , "IETF DNS Directorate" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 03:03:50 -0000 Same here, too many conflicts and things that need attention. Sorry for skipping this.=20 Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Jari Arkko > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 4:59 AM > To: IETF DNS Directorate > Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? >=20 > Unfortunately, I have gotten too much work to prepare for things that > happen Tuesday morning to join you tonight. But Ralph will be there... > have fun! >=20 > jari >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From olaf@NLnetLabs.nl Mon Nov 14 00:58:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BE121F8E5D for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:58:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2eW4lp+l-374 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from open.nlnetlabs.nl (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D515C21F8F0A for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-67ae.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-67ae.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.103.174]) (authenticated bits=0) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAE8wFHV098479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:58:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_83A33DC6-EEA0-4482-93FD-7AFA2A39EF46"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 From: Olaf Kolkman In-Reply-To: <20111114012511.GQ13798@x27.adm.denic.de> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:58:09 +0800 Message-Id: <11D2CADE-24EB-44B7-8BFC-09E22AC0AA00@NLnetLabs.nl> References: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de> <22vcqoe5l9.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> <20111114012511.GQ13798@x27.adm.denic.de> To: Peter Koch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]); Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:58:28 +0100 (CET) Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:58:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_83A33DC6-EEA0-4482-93FD-7AFA2A39EF46 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Peter Koch wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:26:10AM +0100, Lars-Johan Liman wrote: > >> I am not in Taipei, as you might have noted by now, but I hope you do >> get together, and I look forward to meeting you all in Paris. > > thanks. That means we have ACKs from Ralph, Olaf, Dan, Jari, Olafur, > Andrew and $me, maybe from Ron, Thomas, Erik, and Tom and NAK/not present > from Roy, Matt, Stephen, Liman, and Patrik. So we'd need a table/room > for 7-11 people. Please let me know statius updates off list. > Any news on (meeting) location? --Olaf ________________________________________________________ Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ --Apple-Mail=_83A33DC6-EEA0-4482-93FD-7AFA2A39EF46 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOwNgiAAoJEFRqER47aqpkDD8P/32t2X38d/NrIHYm1FU9iS61 tg9u5FFsGALC4QcDgoDek5KbLr7XH6SsAIegJExNilxoY7arGUwdmUwFjlqsGi4P V2+XM8qfGhyr8OO6J7dVyEsH8eZGDQH6mZl6s5W91/p8zAGDZR6kpVvHc3ftZIaE C0dA+1G6GA36XYyEGHAFVYxr+fVIOtsNfXF/r6cRFdxXRaXt+D+YD1wPwRqmGek7 QJ81V+PIur02RSvQ9BzSCN++a2t3atQUpRJYw0d4EidqU/rtc5q0CYI+M+OhWGqK KfmHoGn+VNYdXQtxn1LItTkgUbbd1+pPAmjjGeXaanpTHZfaq9v6MOFq1170kuyv Loz8RB/Z2n/capHvLdgiL4bjHVR3aAVxMBV9cvQbrDLsVl5oj6psmJjF9CjhTpUg StULYR9tD6npaqNSHmNIbWWaLnJJIjDfa/K/QRGTCI6MDuU1/L1ZR3QV1722T072 cuyI1qlhwqF4C6xJw6lnqEWwVPH3yetcnrpepQWZ83Q53Ax4F+wrrnZp7g+kIP0w KrdLnSw/GqtEFLHgsRD6IYBScjoWAsKm6aDAqoaEV8XCnoM2y5hcFmigCIDvWKmU f93ntIsnLdTIH5E+CYy7fj159Iq4TNPiENfF/5XLB7YYMTkLZ2FO5RS1gG/6d2aw sq8RKawBUclIQ+noOAZf =1ndW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_83A33DC6-EEA0-4482-93FD-7AFA2A39EF46-- From peter@denic.de Mon Nov 14 01:07:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CC421F8F33 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:07:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.339 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.339 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.260, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CXdPj4BoC5Kr for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:07:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.denic.de (office.denic.de [IPv6:2a02:568:122:16:1::4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C1321F8F21 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1RPsWA-0005O2-UE; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:07:54 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1RPsWA-0004NZ-Qf; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:07:54 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:07:54 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: Olaf Kolkman Message-ID: <20111114090754.GW13798@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: Olaf Kolkman , IETF DNS Directorate References: <20111007141715.GA28724@x27.adm.denic.de> <22vcqoe5l9.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> <20111114012511.GQ13798@x27.adm.denic.de> <11D2CADE-24EB-44B7-8BFC-09E22AC0AA00@NLnetLabs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <11D2CADE-24EB-44B7-8BFC-09E22AC0AA00@NLnetLabs.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directorate dinner in Taipei? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:07:59 -0000 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 04:58:09PM +0800, Olaf Kolkman wrote: > > thanks. That means we have ACKs from Ralph, Olaf, Dan, Jari, Olafur, > > Andrew and $me, maybe from Ron, Thomas, Erik, and Tom and NAK/not present > > from Roy, Matt, Stephen, Liman, and Patrik. So we'd need a table/room > > for 7-11 people. Please let me know statius updates off list. > Any news on (meeting) location? we'll be 5-9 people. Let's meet in theHyatt lobby 20:00 or end-of-plenary+30, whichever is later. -Peter From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Tue Nov 15 21:36:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1171F0CE8 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:36:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ubjQ3xcMysBH for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769971F0CD5 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:36:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from shinkuro.com (dhcp-678b.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.103.139]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A79DB1ECB420 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 05:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 00:35:54 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20111116053553.GB28884@shinkuro.com> References: <4EBF0823.8010001@ogud.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4EBF0823.8010001@ogud.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS-dir review of draft-ietf-alto-server-discovery-02 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 05:36:09 -0000 Hi all, I'm in the ALTO meeting, and I guess this review hasn't made it to David Harrington, who's the responsible AD for ALTO. I'm not sure of the protocol here -- should this just go to the ALTO list, should it get forwarded to Dave, or does this have to flow through the ADs? A On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 06:58:27PM -0500, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > > > Olafur > > --background --- > ALTO := Application-Layer Traffic Optimization > This work started in the P2P world but now seems to have a goal of > intruding on the turf of CDN's. > > Issue not on the table in this review, "why bother with this > complicated protocol when actual data transfer may take less time" > I think the answer is this only applies to large data transfers. > > I tried to keep the review on DNS and DNS related/affected topics. > > -- review ---- > > Summary: This draft needs to be updated due to lack of clarity and > justifications for design choices and/or change in approach. > > Item #1: I was not clear if this document's goal was to help > application find an ALTO server or the best/closest ALTO sever. > After reading this document a few times it seems be implied that it > is the second. > > Item #2: Section 1 final paragraph, this paragraph seems to be in > there to say "We picked U-NAPTR and do not want to discuss that any > further" > The predecessors of the draft used SRV records or said "SRV or NAPTR > can be used". > Later in the document there is a well hidden gem that says the NAPTR > record can contain path to the "db" the ALTO sever uses to answer > the query. I think that is the real reason you want to use NAPTR not > ease of deployment. > > Item #3 (Section 1.2) YES This depends on MIF and its resolution > real important when there are multiple interfaces and default > interface for TCP is not the same as DNS queries will take. > If DNS resolution is on a different interface or is done by a remote > resolver then the ALTO answer is likely to be sub-optimal or wrong. > > Item #4 The client must know the IP address that the sever sees the > traffic with this requires the client to discover NAT's. > > Section 2: > The document has 3 different ways for the client to start the search > by getting a domain name, and a precedence order among these. The > assumption here seems to be that the client does not move. I.e. if > the client has static user inputed search name, but that does not > work in the location of the computer, is the search then restarted > at the DHCP specified path ? > (this is not clear but I can interpret section 2 both ways) > > Section 3: > As far as I can understand ALTO client will look for NAPTR records > that guide it to the appropriate ALTO server. The appropriate ALTO > server depends on the IP address of the client that the ALTO server > sees (or the world sees?). > > > Issue #4: The document makes the assumptions that all selection of > severs can be based on /8, /16, /24, /32 address boundaries (and I > guess /4*x for IPv6). > and the client discovers this by doing a tree walking up the tree from > -. i.e d.c.b.a.. > The text says > "If there is no response for the lookup the domain name is shortened > by one for the succeeding lookup, until the lookup is successful, > ..." > > a) "no response" in DNS speak implies timeout, but that only happens > when things are not working. Thus I interpret this text to say, > "if no ALTO NAPTR records are found" > but there a multiple different possible answers when ALTO Naptr > record does not exist: > No Error name exist but record does not > Answer name exits NAPTR is in answer but none is ALTO > Rcode=3 name does not exist > the client algorithm needs to handle all of these so please expand. > (related to open issue #2 in section 8) > > b) The current approach of having a ALTO sever domain name populate > a DNS name space what looks like a reverse tree is a significant > administrative DNS overhead and none of the ALTO documents addresses > the cost or effect of doing that. > Of course this can be done by having a DNS server that generates the > answer on the fly based on the query, but that DNS server then needs > the information to create the answer. > DNS has a record APL that can be used to express this [RFC3123]. > Question: Why can the ALTO client not ask the first ALTO server "are > you the right one?" > and get back yes/no/redirect ? > > c) How about about ALTO record that contains the ranges the server > supports? > This would eliminate the search, a draft idea is > ALTO server, , > server is domain name > path is text string > ranges is APL syntax. > > d) Tree walking is a big no-no in specifications see: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/dnstut.html > If you need to do tree walking be aware it will not work well in IPv6. > > From DNS perspective these are the major issues and I will send > textual nits and minor clarifications directly to the editors. > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Tue Nov 15 21:41:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41F41F0CF8 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:41:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Arv7ydLPBcJx for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617C01F0CF5 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:41:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by ggnr5 with SMTP id r5so3605425ggn.31 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:41:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=6ZPqxfmj6BsgXYy6ZmRwMWiRXpnMAgtsgGr/Op3e9jc=; b=PSDqnbJgiZJE3OdhFGMdyBcY23LiYMT4NC17uzCK297VpgLkvyRXIkVSEQwRN91kDm 7dSGVvABac9kJ9PJw3uBXyjkZ869dsFQiiEwPMKG5azx52Dq5uU+F6uGtYnGtsqFYIe8 1i7OKbVeyEVwNd15DzdunvlQKB79c/m8iQBAU= Received: by 10.100.42.4 with SMTP id p4mr1052054anp.96.1321422106984; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:df8::80:855f:5051:69bd:dded? ([2001:df8:0:80:855f:5051:69bd:dded]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l27sm82084229ani.21.2011.11.15.21.41.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:41:46 -0800 (PST) References: <4EBF0823.8010001@ogud.com> <20111116053553.GB28884@shinkuro.com> In-Reply-To: <20111116053553.GB28884@shinkuro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <7BC54C85-B20B-4797-AD9C-0975EE745F43@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A334) From: Ralph Droms Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:41:48 +0800 To: Andrew Sullivan Cc: "dns-dir@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS-dir review of draft-ietf-alto-server-discovery-02 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 05:41:52 -0000 The delay is my fault. Olafur got it to me, but I haven't had a chance to r= eview it before sending it on to Dave. I'll do it now. Thanks to Olafur for writing the review and I apologize for not following th= rough. - Ralph On Nov 16, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:= > Hi all, >=20 > I'm in the ALTO meeting, and I guess this review hasn't made it to > David Harrington, who's the responsible AD for ALTO. I'm not sure of > the protocol here -- should this just go to the ALTO list, should it > get forwarded to Dave, or does this have to flow through the ADs? >=20 > A >=20 > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 06:58:27PM -0500, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: >> >>=20 >> Olafur >>=20 >> --background --- >> ALTO :=3D Application-Layer Traffic Optimization >> This work started in the P2P world but now seems to have a goal of >> intruding on the turf of CDN's. >>=20 >> Issue not on the table in this review, "why bother with this >> complicated protocol when actual data transfer may take less time" >> I think the answer is this only applies to large data transfers. >>=20 >> I tried to keep the review on DNS and DNS related/affected topics. >>=20 >> -- review ---- >>=20 >> Summary: This draft needs to be updated due to lack of clarity and >> justifications for design choices and/or change in approach. >>=20 >> Item #1: I was not clear if this document's goal was to help >> application find an ALTO server or the best/closest ALTO sever. >> After reading this document a few times it seems be implied that it >> is the second. >>=20 >> Item #2: Section 1 final paragraph, this paragraph seems to be in >> there to say "We picked U-NAPTR and do not want to discuss that any >> further" >> The predecessors of the draft used SRV records or said "SRV or NAPTR >> can be used". >> Later in the document there is a well hidden gem that says the NAPTR >> record can contain path to the "db" the ALTO sever uses to answer >> the query. I think that is the real reason you want to use NAPTR not >> ease of deployment. >>=20 >> Item #3 (Section 1.2) YES This depends on MIF and its resolution >> real important when there are multiple interfaces and default >> interface for TCP is not the same as DNS queries will take. >> If DNS resolution is on a different interface or is done by a remote >> resolver then the ALTO answer is likely to be sub-optimal or wrong. >>=20 >> Item #4 The client must know the IP address that the sever sees the >> traffic with this requires the client to discover NAT's. >>=20 >> Section 2: >> The document has 3 different ways for the client to start the search >> by getting a domain name, and a precedence order among these. The >> assumption here seems to be that the client does not move. I.e. if >> the client has static user inputed search name, but that does not >> work in the location of the computer, is the search then restarted >> at the DHCP specified path ? >> (this is not clear but I can interpret section 2 both ways) >>=20 >> Section 3: >> As far as I can understand ALTO client will look for NAPTR records >> that guide it to the appropriate ALTO server. The appropriate ALTO >> server depends on the IP address of the client that the ALTO server >> sees (or the world sees?). >>=20 >>=20 >> Issue #4: The document makes the assumptions that all selection of >> severs can be based on /8, /16, /24, /32 address boundaries (and I >> guess /4*x for IPv6). >> and the client discovers this by doing a tree walking up the tree from >> -. i.e d.c.b.a.. >> The text says >> "If there is no response for the lookup the domain name is shortened >> by one for the succeeding lookup, until the lookup is successful, >> ..." >>=20 >> a) "no response" in DNS speak implies timeout, but that only happens >> when things are not working. Thus I interpret this text to say, >> "if no ALTO NAPTR records are found" >> but there a multiple different possible answers when ALTO Naptr >> record does not exist: >> No Error name exist but record does not >> Answer name exits NAPTR is in answer but none is ALTO >> Rcode=3D3 name does not exist >> the client algorithm needs to handle all of these so please expand. >> (related to open issue #2 in section 8) >>=20 >> b) The current approach of having a ALTO sever domain name populate >> a DNS name space what looks like a reverse tree is a significant >> administrative DNS overhead and none of the ALTO documents addresses >> the cost or effect of doing that. >> Of course this can be done by having a DNS server that generates the >> answer on the fly based on the query, but that DNS server then needs >> the information to create the answer. >> DNS has a record APL that can be used to express this [RFC3123]. >> Question: Why can the ALTO client not ask the first ALTO server "are >> you the right one?" >> and get back yes/no/redirect ? >>=20 >> c) How about about ALTO record that contains the ranges the server >> supports? >> This would eliminate the search, a draft idea is >> ALTO server, , >> server is domain name >> path is text string =20 >> ranges is APL syntax. >>=20 >> d) Tree walking is a big no-no in specifications see: >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/dnstut.html >> If you need to do tree walking be aware it will not work well in IPv6. >>=20 >> =46rom DNS perspective these are the major issues and I will send >> textual nits and minor clarifications directly to the editors. >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >=20 > --=20 > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@anvilwalrusden.com > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Tue Nov 15 22:23:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5F921F92AB for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:23:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GzfTVmcS6TN3 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5733D21F92AA for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from shinkuro.com (dhcp-678b.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.103.139]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 75F4E1ECB420; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 06:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 01:23:48 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: Ralph Droms Message-ID: <20111116062347.GD28884@shinkuro.com> References: <4EBF0823.8010001@ogud.com> <20111116053553.GB28884@shinkuro.com> <7BC54C85-B20B-4797-AD9C-0975EE745F43@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7BC54C85-B20B-4797-AD9C-0975EE745F43@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "dns-dir@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS-dir review of draft-ietf-alto-server-discovery-02 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 06:23:56 -0000 On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 01:41:48PM +0800, Ralph Droms wrote: > The delay is my fault. Olafur got it to me, but I haven't had a chance to review it before sending it on to Dave. I'll do it now. > > Thanks to Olafur for writing the review and I apologize for not following through. > FWIW, your review request and a different poke from Ted Hardie caused me to go to ALTO today. There does appear to be a serious other problem in what they're working on that is going to cause later headaches. I don't yet fully understand what's going on, having read extremely quickly four or five drafts (including the protocol one, which is nearly 70 pages of specification) but basically the DNS acts as a kind of fallback service that gets used for bootstrapping whenever the Tracker doesn't have the information you want. That is, by and large the system is designed around the Tracker, but the DNS is what you turn to when the Tracker doesn't know. (This is I think unrelated to the service discovery thing, which is a different sort of fallback.) It appears that some proposals are trying to do Stupid DNS Tricks for ALTO optimization. The draft-ietf-alto-deployments-02 text currently points to an expired draft that, if I read it correctly, talks about having the recursive server modify the DNS response in order to optimize the traffic according to how ALTO works. Apparently the reference is wrong, and I don't know what the replacement does. I just sat through a proxy discussion that would require any of these cases to alter the URI in the U-NAPTR record, thereby of course also modifying the DNS response. Needless to say, all of this is going to break under DNSSEC, and I get the distinct scent in the air of "who uses DNSSEC anyway?" So we have more work to do, I fear. The nice news is that this event seems to be an example of cross-area review happening because of IETF meetings; I cannot remember the last time I paid any attention to anything in TSV, & I'd never have found any of this out without going to this WG session. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Wed Nov 16 18:45:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AB61F0C87 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:45:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.39 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.39 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.209, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O-AHEf7HuEcw for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A8C1F0C81 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by ggnr5 with SMTP id r5so539696ggn.31 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:45:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=sgPmoUHtdth0EcEB/TUNcP30/65qlevaHjbe5nm/FDU=; b=puZEFyOycqi5iAjalxeGDVltJUfCWZQ3EUamEp7ooc3z6+thb+FqyGO7OVYWAWJHJ0 zJ+kL6ioe0pUagA9yMMBsXAtlHWUOnazFqovcrUmQRK0kDpzaXJiJMVwcTFBZEUNohs2 pLkGcADk4WBKDxoKCayBC8iUy+BeFJ1E8zh54= Received: by 10.42.156.130 with SMTP id z2mr37686523icw.13.1321497926671; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from sjc-vpn5-1622.cisco.com (128-107-239-233.cisco.com. [128.107.239.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n30sm51856740ibl.4.2011.11.16.18.45.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:45:26 -0800 (PST) From: Ralph Droms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:45:22 +0800 Message-Id: <425FBA41-75DD-4699-8DAF-CF6B5D79E6A6@gmail.com> To: IETF DNS Directorate Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Subject: [dns-dir] A6 to historic X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 02:45:28 -0000 I forgot to ask at the DNS Directorate dinner: does the DNS Directorate = have any objection to pulbishing draft-jiang-dnsext-a6-to-historic-00 as = an AD-sponsored submission (spoonsored by me)? - Ralph From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Tue Nov 22 07:29:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EFC21F8C2D for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:29:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r39nMIbqGkd9 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:29:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFC821F8C2A for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:29:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from shinkuro.com (69-196-144-227.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 854D11ECB41D for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:29:50 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20111122152949.GD7661@crankycanuck.ca> References: <425FBA41-75DD-4699-8DAF-CF6B5D79E6A6@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <425FBA41-75DD-4699-8DAF-CF6B5D79E6A6@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] A6 to historic X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:29:51 -0000 I have no objection. A On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:45:22AM +0800, Ralph Droms wrote: > I forgot to ask at the DNS Directorate dinner: does the DNS Directorate have any objection to pulbishing draft-jiang-dnsext-a6-to-historic-00 as an AD-sponsored submission (spoonsored by me)? > > - Ralph > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Tue Nov 22 07:35:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983901F0CB9 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:35:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b+BAerNsYVQZ for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:35:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vx0-f172.google.com (mail-vx0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045301F0CB8 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by vcbfy13 with SMTP id fy13so398447vcb.31 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:35:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=tMpFinUev6Eg1yHnGbzYfrRSUaPr5DYzjQAuoxvuewA=; b=BlTBkfM84XkyEN/ci/N9qiK80zHqYovlcHY/S8BP40YveGxE9hX7sYMJuAcfl372CU MwAXbZBqasj2SvzrEj8WsfGmlON3HHBavSSRUM2o80kzW1A4Wu5q/9jxNHtNnDUSdZq+ DYZ9rzV0xB54UbeD1Z7c4VBhE5WXKZ2gGI4NU= Received: by 10.52.22.137 with SMTP id d9mr7738458vdf.50.1321976145404; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.86.246.98] (198-135-0-233.cisco.com. [198.135.0.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ib2sm19280757vdb.1.2011.11.22.07.35.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:35:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <20111122152949.GD7661@crankycanuck.ca> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:35:42 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3C10983F-88E6-4932-AE6A-E3D5C697A50C@gmail.com> References: <425FBA41-75DD-4699-8DAF-CF6B5D79E6A6@gmail.com> <20111122152949.GD7661@crankycanuck.ca> To: Andrew Sullivan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: IETF Directorate DNS Subject: Re: [dns-dir] A6 to historic X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:35:46 -0000 OK, thanks. I'll take on the draft as an AD-sponsored publication and = take it to the IESG. - Ralph On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:29 AM 11/22/11, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > I have no objection. >=20 > A >=20 > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:45:22AM +0800, Ralph Droms wrote: >> I forgot to ask at the DNS Directorate dinner: does the DNS = Directorate have any objection to pulbishing = draft-jiang-dnsext-a6-to-historic-00 as an AD-sponsored submission = (spoonsored by me)? >>=20 >> - Ralph >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >=20 > --=20 > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@anvilwalrusden.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Tue Nov 22 07:40:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBC51F0C56 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:40:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8gGK9ISw7pIz for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233601F0C4D for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so361609vbb.31 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:40:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=qOhsqhiKQh8Ft/Q4sPuihB4fc1di/7vMPHaDfEb9TnU=; b=cvkUPU4d/e1XueevyN9aIo3gDtPZFXjqoDOFqh2RrT9nU0BDMT0O/XOeTcug4a9Du8 JEyf0ESZTgbVcA6HlIrg1s4RMaV3LEM0kK4ksr+Bn1etzUsnG2TXbjDyJPa3tswQ8ZNw 1/x9cJ7txWEKSWjNpYzH1HqQhreRFH7gdDwdI= Received: by 10.52.23.12 with SMTP id i12mr21197488vdf.37.1321976436509; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.86.246.98] (198-135-0-233.cisco.com. [198.135.0.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ir2sm1017811vdb.9.2011.11.22.07.40.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:40:35 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <20111122152949.GD7661@crankycanuck.ca> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:40:33 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <31E3BF25-42E1-4B2D-AF1E-D4C602B2C792@gmail.com> References: <425FBA41-75DD-4699-8DAF-CF6B5D79E6A6@gmail.com> <20111122152949.GD7661@crankycanuck.ca> To: IETF DNS Directorate X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] A6 to historic X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:40:38 -0000 In conjunction with taking on jiang-dnsext-a6-to-historic as an = AD-sponsored draft, I'd like to get a DNS Directorate review. Anyone = willing to volunteer? - Ralph On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:29 AM 11/22/11, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > I have no objection. >=20 > A >=20 > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:45:22AM +0800, Ralph Droms wrote: >> I forgot to ask at the DNS Directorate dinner: does the DNS = Directorate have any objection to pulbishing = draft-jiang-dnsext-a6-to-historic-00 as an AD-sponsored submission = (spoonsored by me)? >>=20 >> - Ralph >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >=20 > --=20 > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@anvilwalrusden.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir