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From: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>
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Dear colleagues,

I wasn't sure where else to send this: it's not actually about the
protocol, and it's not about operations as such, but it is about the
(ab)use of the DNS.  Suggestions for a better target welcome, but
reactions to the suggestion below are even more welcome.

In draft-sullivan-domain-origin-assert-00, I outline a mechanism to
make claims about whether a given DNS name lies within the same
administrative realm as another name.  By "same administrative realm",
what I mean to say is that the services at that name and at some other
name are somehow subject to the same control, &c.  The standard
example of where this might help is with the "cookies problem", but I
don't think we have to be too creative to think of ways in which it
would be helpful to know that services at different names are related
to one another in important ways, without really being "the same
service".

I received a number of comments about that draft, not least of which
was that to be useful it needed finer granularity.  (More exactly, the
mechanism is apparently worthless without being able to specify it by
scheme, port, _and_ name.)  That would be easy given that I was
originally inclined to create a new RRTYPE, except that I also heard
over and over again that new RRTYPEs are not deployable: the
provisioning software doesn't know how to do it.  I have some sympathy
for this, since Dyn (who partly pays for the roof over my head) has
plenty of clueful staff, but avoids completely unknown RRTYPE support
in its consumer-grade offerings because of the potential support
headaches.

As a result of this, I have been toying with reusing the SRV RRTYPE,
adding some additional underscore labels to the front.  This idea
makes me want to tear at my clothes, but I haven't been able to think
of ways in which it actually breaks anything.  Does anyone have such
an argument?

In addition (just to make you even more queasy), it seems to me that
the mechanism is going to have to be able to say "for everything under
this name, the same label under that name".  A wildcard isn't exactly
going to work, particularly on the target side of the SRV record.  I
was thinking of inventing a new "prefix" (like the xn-- in IDNA) to
express this sort of thing.  It's yet more evidence, I think, that a
real RRTYPE with its own semantics is just going to be necessary, but
that probably means the mechanism will never get deployed.

Thoughts?

A

-- 
Andrew Sullivan
ajs@anvilwalrusden.com

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On 9 jul 2012, at 20:23, Andrew Sullivan wrote:

> It's yet more evidence, I think, that a
> real RRTYPE with its own semantics is just going to be necessary, but
> that probably means the mechanism will never get deployed.

I hear you, but I am not giving up!

:-P

   Patrik

P.S. Will sleep on this and possibly respond differently or stronger =
tomorrow.


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Hi all,
      Could I get a volunteer or two to sanity check the DNS component 
of draft-ietf-pkix-caa?  It specifies the use of a Resource Record to 
identify Certification Authorities for a domain.  It is currently slated 
to be discussed on the July 17th IESG telechat, so it could be useful to 
have a review in-hande, before then.

Regards,
Brian

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Please find below the agenda of the July 19th  IESG telechat.

Please send your questions, comments and concerns before July 18th COB.

Thanks and Regards, Benoit.


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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Summarized Agenda for the 2012-07-19 IESG Teleconference

This agenda was generated at 2012-07-12 15:42:12 PDT
Up-to-date web version of this agenda can be found at:
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2. Protocol Actions
2.1 WG Submissions
2.1.1 New Items

   o draft-sakane-dhc-dhcpv6-kdc-option-17
     Kerberos Options for DHCPv6 (Proposed Standard)
     Note: The Document Shepherd for this document is Jeffrey Hutzelman,
     (jhutz@cmu.edu).
     Token: Stephen Farrell

   o draft-ietf-behave-lsn-requirements-08
     Common requirements for Carrier Grade NATs (CGNs) (Best Current
     Practice)
     Note: Dan Wing (dwing@cisco.com) is the document shepherd.
     Token: Wesley Eddy

   o draft-ietf-6lowpan-btle-08
     Transmission of IPv6 Packets over Bluetooth Low Energy (Proposed
     Standard)
     Note: Carsten Bormann (cabo@tzi.org) is the Document Shepherd.
     Token: Ralph Droms

   o draft-ietf-idr-rfc4893bis-07
     BGP Support for Four-octet AS Number Space (Proposed Standard)
     Note: John Scudder (jgs@juniper.net) is the document shepherd.
     Token: Stewart Bryant

   o draft-ietf-abfab-gss-eap-08
     A GSS-API Mechanism for the Extensible Authentication Protocol
     (Proposed Standard)
     Token: Stephen Farrell

   o draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-algo-imp-status-03
     Applicability Statement: DNS Security (DNSSEC) DNSKEY Algorithm
     Implementation Status (Best Current Practice)
     Note: Andrew Sullivan (ajs@anvilwalrusden.com) is the Document
     Shepherd
     Token: Ralph Droms

   o draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-registry-update-03
     DNS Security (DNSSEC) DNSKEY Algorithm IANA Registry Updates
     (Proposed Standard)
     Note: Andrew Sullivan (ajs@anvilwalrusden.com) is the Document
     Shepherd
     Token: Ralph Droms

   o draft-ietf-appsawg-received-state-04
     Indicating Email Handling States in Trace Fields (Proposed Standard)
     Token: Barry Leiba

   o draft-ietf-pkix-caa-10
     DNS Certification Authority Authorization (CAA) Resource Record
     (Proposed Standard)
     Note: Steve Kent (kent@bbn.com) is the Document Shepherd.
     Token: Sean Turner

2.1.2 Returning Items

   NONE

2.2 Individual Submissions
2.2.1 New Items

   o draft-sandlund-rfc4996bis-02
     RObust Header Compression (ROHC): A Profile for TCP/IP (ROHC-TCP)
     (Proposed Standard)
     Token: Wesley Eddy

   o draft-camarillo-rai-media-policy-dataset-02
     A User Agent Profile Data Set for Media Policy (Proposed Standard)
     Note: Mary Barnes is the document shepherd
     Token: Robert Sparks

   o draft-farrell-decade-ni-09
     Naming Things with Hashes (Proposed Standard)
     Note: Alexey Melnikov (Alexey.Melnikov@isode.com) is the document
     shepherd.
     Token: Barry Leiba

2.2.2 Returning Items

   NONE

3. Document Actions
3.1 WG Submissions
3.1.1 New Items

   o draft-ietf-karp-threats-reqs-05
     Keying and Authentication for Routing Protocols (KARP) Overview,
     Threats, and Requirements (Informational)
     Note: Brian Weis (bew@cisco.com) is the document shepherd.
     Token: Stewart Bryant

   o draft-ietf-cdni-use-cases-09
     Use Cases for Content Delivery Network Interconnection
     (Informational)
     Note:  Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch@cisco.com) is the Document
     Shepherd.
     Token: Martin Stiemerling

   o draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-added-octets-04
     Ericsson TWAMP Value-Added Octets (Informational)
     Note: Henk Uijterwaal (henk@uijterwaal.nl) is the document shepherd.
     Token: Wesley Eddy

   o draft-ietf-oauth-urn-sub-ns-05
     An IETF URN Sub-Namespace for OAuth (Informational)
     Note: Derek Atkins (derek@ihtfp.com) is the document shepherd.
     Token: Stephen Farrell

3.1.2 Returning Items

   NONE

3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD
3.2.1 New Items

   o draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-09
     Cisco Systems Export of Application Information in IPFIX
     (Informational)
     Note: Individual Submission, AD-sponsored, Nevil Brownlee is the
     document shepherd,
     Token: Ronald Bonica

   o draft-melnikov-smtp-priority-tunneling-03
     Tunneling of SMTP Message Transfer Priorities (Experimental)
     Token: Pete Resnick

   o draft-krishnan-nomcom-tools-01
     Requirements for IETF Nominations Committee tools (Informational)
     Token: Russ Housley

3.2.2 Returning Items

   NONE

3.3 IRTF and Independent Submission Stream Documents
3.3.1 New Items

   NONE

3.3.2 Returning Items

   NONE

3.3.3 For Action

   o draft-mme-trill-fcoe-02
     FCoE over TRILL (Informational)
     Note: ISE submission
     Token: Ralph Droms

4. Working Group Actions
4.1 WG Creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review

   NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for Approval

   NONE

4.2 WG Rechartering
4.2.1 Under Evaluation for IETF Review

   NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for Approval

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2. Protocol Actions
2.1 WG Submissions
2.1.1 New Items

  o draft-sakane-dhc-dhcpv6-kdc-option-17
    Kerberos Options for DHCPv6 (Proposed Standard)
    Note: The Document Shepherd for this document is Jeffrey Hutzelman,
    (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jhutz@cmu.edu">jhutz@cmu.edu</a>).
    Token: Stephen Farrell

  o draft-ietf-behave-lsn-requirements-08
    Common requirements for Carrier Grade NATs (CGNs) (Best Current
    Practice)
    Note: Dan Wing (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dwing@cisco.com">dwing@cisco.com</a>) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Wesley Eddy

  o draft-ietf-6lowpan-btle-08
    Transmission of IPv6 Packets over Bluetooth Low Energy (Proposed
    Standard)
    Note: Carsten Bormann (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cabo@tzi.org">cabo@tzi.org</a>) is the Document Shepherd. 
    Token: Ralph Droms

  o draft-ietf-idr-rfc4893bis-07
    BGP Support for Four-octet AS Number Space (Proposed Standard)
    Note: John Scudder (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jgs@juniper.net">jgs@juniper.net</a>) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Stewart Bryant

  o draft-ietf-abfab-gss-eap-08
    A GSS-API Mechanism for the Extensible Authentication Protocol
    (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Stephen Farrell

  o draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-algo-imp-status-03
    Applicability Statement: DNS Security (DNSSEC) DNSKEY Algorithm
    Implementation Status (Best Current Practice)
    Note: Andrew Sullivan (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>) is the Document
    Shepherd
    Token: Ralph Droms

  o draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-registry-update-03
    DNS Security (DNSSEC) DNSKEY Algorithm IANA Registry Updates
    (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Andrew Sullivan (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>) is the Document
    Shepherd
    Token: Ralph Droms

  o draft-ietf-appsawg-received-state-04
    Indicating Email Handling States in Trace Fields (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Barry Leiba

  o draft-ietf-pkix-caa-10
    DNS Certification Authority Authorization (CAA) Resource Record
    (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Steve Kent (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kent@bbn.com">kent@bbn.com</a>) is the Document Shepherd.
    Token: Sean Turner

2.1.2 Returning Items

  NONE

2.2 Individual Submissions
2.2.1 New Items

  o draft-sandlund-rfc4996bis-02
    RObust Header Compression (ROHC): A Profile for TCP/IP (ROHC-TCP)
    (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Wesley Eddy

  o draft-camarillo-rai-media-policy-dataset-02
    A User Agent Profile Data Set for Media Policy (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Mary Barnes is the document shepherd
    Token: Robert Sparks

  o draft-farrell-decade-ni-09
    Naming Things with Hashes (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Alexey Melnikov (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Alexey.Melnikov@isode.com">Alexey.Melnikov@isode.com</a>) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Barry Leiba

2.2.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3. Document Actions
3.1 WG Submissions
3.1.1 New Items

  o draft-ietf-karp-threats-reqs-05
    Keying and Authentication for Routing Protocols (KARP) Overview,
    Threats, and Requirements (Informational)
    Note: Brian Weis (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bew@cisco.com">bew@cisco.com</a>) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Stewart Bryant

  o draft-ietf-cdni-use-cases-09
    Use Cases for Content Delivery Network Interconnection
    (Informational)
    Note:  Francois Le Faucheur (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:flefauch@cisco.com">flefauch@cisco.com</a>) is the Document
    Shepherd.
    Token: Martin Stiemerling

  o draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-added-octets-04
    Ericsson TWAMP Value-Added Octets (Informational)
    Note: Henk Uijterwaal (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:henk@uijterwaal.nl">henk@uijterwaal.nl</a>) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Wesley Eddy

  o draft-ietf-oauth-urn-sub-ns-05
    An IETF URN Sub-Namespace for OAuth (Informational)
    Note: Derek Atkins (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:derek@ihtfp.com">derek@ihtfp.com</a>) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Stephen Farrell

3.1.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD
3.2.1 New Items

  o draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-09
    Cisco Systems Export of Application Information in IPFIX
    (Informational)
    Note: Individual Submission, AD-sponsored, Nevil Brownlee is the
    document shepherd, 
    Token: Ronald Bonica

  o draft-melnikov-smtp-priority-tunneling-03
    Tunneling of SMTP Message Transfer Priorities (Experimental)
    Token: Pete Resnick

  o draft-krishnan-nomcom-tools-01
    Requirements for IETF Nominations Committee tools (Informational)
    Token: Russ Housley

3.2.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3.3 IRTF and Independent Submission Stream Documents
3.3.1 New Items

  NONE

3.3.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3.3.3 For Action

  o draft-mme-trill-fcoe-02
    FCoE over TRILL (Informational)
    Note: ISE submission
    Token: Ralph Droms

4. Working Group Actions
4.1 WG Creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review

  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for Approval

  NONE

4.2 WG Rechartering
4.2.1 Under Evaluation for IETF Review

  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for Approval

  NONE


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