From enum-admin@ietf.org Fri Mar 2 10:29:06 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id KAA03176 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21327; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21297 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dnspri.npac.com (firewall-user@dnspri.npac.com [208.143.33.66]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id KAA02398 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by dnspri.npac.com; id JAA29235; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:12:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from unknown(192.168.20.140) by dnspri.npac.com via smap (V5.0) id xmaa26695; Fri, 2 Mar 01 09:11:36 -0600 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010302095925.02e68080@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rshockey@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 10:01:55 -0500 To: enum@ietf.org From: Richard Shockey Cc: ENUM@ALMSNTSA.LMLIST.STATE.GOV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Enum] FYI: Final report of ITU WTPF Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org The following URL is the final report of the ITU World Telecommunications Policy Forum to be held next week in Geneva. ENUM and ITU involvement in ENUM is discussed in the document. http://www.itu.int/wtpf/sgreport/finalreport31Jan.doc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Technical Industry Liaison NeuStar Inc. 1120 Vermont Avenue N.W., Suite 550, Washington DC. 20005 Voice: 202.533.2811, Cell : 314.503.0640, Fax: 815.333.1237 or <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Fri Mar 2 12:58:36 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA09589 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24108; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24079 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dnspri.npac.com (firewall-user@dnspri.npac.com [208.143.33.66]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA08855 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by dnspri.npac.com; id LAA18602; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:42:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from unknown(192.168.20.140) by dnspri.npac.com via smap (V5.0) id xma018518; Fri, 2 Mar 01 11:42:09 -0600 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010302100803.02baf120@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rshockey@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 10:09:06 -0500 To: eNUM@ALMSNTSA.LMLIST.STATE.GOV, enum@ietf.org From: Richard Shockey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Enum] FYI: ITU TSB circular on ENUM awareness Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org Information on ongoing ITU work on ENUM Document: TSB Circular 26 Title: "ENUM Awareness" Dated: 22 February 2001 Posted: March 01, 2001 URL: http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/circ/01-04_1/026_ww9.doc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Technical Industry Liaison NeuStar Inc. 1120 Vermont Avenue N.W., Suite 550, Washington DC. 20005 Voice: 202.533.2811, Cell : 314.503.0640, Fax: 815.333.1237 or <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Wed Mar 7 15:06:43 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA20670 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07538; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07511 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA19867 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from worldnet ([12.88.171.252]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010307194827.PUVF4833.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@worldnet>; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:48:27 +0000 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" To: , Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:45:08 -0500 Message-ID: <019001c0a73f$2afd5e80$fcab580c@att.net.icbtollfree.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0191_01C0A715.42275680" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010228152154.0293eec0@127.0.0.1> Subject: [Enum] fyi, NEUSTAR to manage establishment of European Telephony Numbering Space (ETNS) Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0191_01C0A715.42275680 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0192_01C0A715.42275680" ------=_NextPart_001_0192_01C0A715.42275680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by optimus.ietf.org id OAA07538 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just received this -- thoughts? comments? Judith Release: Immediate Contact: Bill Stern (202-533-2648) Online: www.neustar.com ERO SELECTS NEUSTAR TO MANAGE ETNS Washington, DC/London, UK (March 06, 2001) =96 NeuStar, Inc. announced to= day that it has been selected by the European Radiocommunications Office (ERO= ) to manage the establishment of the European Telephony Numbering Space (ETNS), which will establish a single country code for all of Europe, and assist in enhancing the availability of pan-European telecommunications services. NeuStar, North America=92s leading provider of interoperability solutions= , opened an office in London last year to provide assistance to European telecommunications companies facing interoperability issues. ERO is a permanent office of the European Committee on Telecommunications Regulatory Affairs of CEPT (European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administrations) and a centre of expertise in the fiel= ds of licensing, numbering and radiocommunications. In a competitive bidding process, NeuStar was selected by CEPT as the preferred provider of ETNS number administration services. ERO noted tha= t NeuStar proposed a flexible and scalable technical solution and proposed = a sound project and communications plan. =93We are delighted to have been selected for this project, which is a critical next step in the evolution of Europe=92s telecommunications infrastructure,=94 said Christine Walker, Vice President of Business Development for NeuStar, Europe. =93Our extensive interoperability experience ensures that we will be able to provide the necessary stabilit= y and flexibility for the new ETNS system.=94 =93The NeuStar solution demonstrates to us the essential components of openness and neutrality,=94 said ERO Director Thormod B=F8e. =93It provi= des for a transaction-based pricing scheme that we also expect will encourage smaller service providers and network operators to become active in the ETNS market.=94 NeuStar, Inc., based in Washington, D.C., is committed to administering high quality, evenhanded and competitively neutral infrastructure service= s to the communications industry. NeuStar provides registry services to the entire North American communications industry. As the Local Number Portability Administrator, NeuStar manages the registry database that is = a critical component for the routing of all telephone calls in North Americ= a. Neustar also acts as the North American Numbering Plan Administrator. Th= is associated registry database contains all of the area codes and central office codes (or exchanges) in North America. Visit NeuStar online at www.neustar.com, and the new ETNS website at www.etns.org . ### -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- ---------- Judith Oppenheimer 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert Publisher, http://ICBTollFreeNews.com "An important source of inside information," says InfoWorld; "superb", "invaluable", "critically intelligent", "exceedingly useful", report ICB Premium Subscribers. 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I just = received this=20 -- thoughts?  comments?

Judith

 

 

 

Release:  Immediate           &n= bsp;     =20            &nbs= p;       =20 Contact: Bill Stern=20 (202-533-2648)

Online:  www.neustar.com

 

 

           &nbs= p;   =20 ERO SELECTS NEUSTAR TO MANAGE ETNS

Washington, DC/London, UK (March = 06,=20 2001) – = NeuStar, Inc.=20 announced today that it has been selected by the European = Radiocommunications=20 Office (ERO) to manage the establishment of the European Telephony = Numbering=20 Space (ETNS), which will establish a single country code for all of = Europe, and=20 assist in enhancing the availability of pan-European telecommunications=20 services.  =20

NeuStar, North America’s = leading provider of=20 interoperability solutions, opened an office in London last year to = provide=20 assistance to European telecommunications companies facing = interoperability=20 issues.

ERO = is a=20 permanent office of the European Committee on Telecommunications = Regulatory=20 Affairs of CEPT (European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications=20 Administrations) and a centre of expertise in the fields of licensing, = numbering=20 and radiocommunications.  

In = a=20 competitive bidding process, NeuStar was selected by CEPT as the = preferred=20 provider of ETNS number administration services.  ERO noted that NeuStar = proposed a=20 flexible and scalable technical solution and proposed a sound project = and=20 communications plan. 

“We are delighted to have = been selected for=20 this project, which is a critical next step in the evolution of = Europe’s=20 telecommunications infrastructure,” said Christine Walker, Vice = President of=20 Business Development for NeuStar, Europe. =20 “Our extensive interoperability experience ensures that we = will be able=20 to provide the necessary stability and flexibility for the new ETNS=20 system.”

“The NeuStar solution = demonstrates to us the=20 essential components of openness and neutrality,” said ERO = Director Thormod=20 B=F8e.  “It provides for = a=20 transaction-based pricing scheme that we also expect will encourage = smaller=20 service providers and network operators to become active in the ETNS=20 market.”

NeuStar, Inc.,=20 based in Washington, D.C., is committed to administering high quality,=20 evenhanded and competitively neutral infrastructure services to the=20 communications industry. NeuStar provides registry services to the = entire North=20 American communications industry. =20 As the Local Number Portability Administrator, NeuStar manages = the=20 registry database that is a critical component for the routing of all = telephone=20 calls in North America.  = Neustar=20 also acts as the North American Numbering Plan Administrator.  This associated registry = database=20 contains all of the area codes and central office codes (or exchanges) = in North=20 America. Visit NeuStar online at www.neustar.com, and the new ETNS = website at=20 www.etns.org .

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Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:01:03 -0500 Message-Id: <8D6509B44ACCEB43A96E032B9C3EA0C813144E@xch-ne-02.he.boeing.com> From: "Manfredi, Albert E" To: "'Judith Oppenheimer'" , enum@ietf.org, ENUM@ALMSNTSA.LMLIST.STATE.GOV Subject: RE: [Enum] fyi, NEUSTAR to manage establishment of European Telephony Numbering Space (ETNS) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:04:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C0A741.D4AAF3A0" Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C0A741.D4AAF3A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A741.D4AAF3A0" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A741.D4AAF3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable C'est incroyable! =20 Next step if for Neustar to incorporate the +1 code in with the Euro = country code and to allow number portability throughout this region. =20 The EU is running amuk! =20 Bert albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Judith Oppenheimer [mailto:joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 2:45 PM To: enum@ietf.org; ENUM@ALMSNTSA.LMLIST.STATE.GOV Subject: [Enum] fyi, NEUSTAR to manage establishment of European = Telephony Numbering Space (ETNS) I just received this -- thoughts? comments? Judith =20 =20 =20 Release: Immediate Contact: Bill = Stern (202-533-2648) Online: www.neustar.com =20 =20 ERO SELECTS NEUSTAR TO MANAGE ETNS Washington, DC/London, UK (March 06, 2001) - NeuStar, Inc. announced = today that it has been selected by the European Radiocommunications Office = (ERO) to manage the establishment of the European Telephony Numbering Space (ETNS), which will establish a single country code for all of Europe, = and assist in enhancing the availability of pan-European telecommunications services. =20 NeuStar, North America's leading provider of interoperability = solutions, opened an office in London last year to provide assistance to European telecommunications companies facing interoperability issues.=20 ERO is a permanent office of the European Committee on = Telecommunications Regulatory Affairs of CEPT (European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administrations) and a centre of expertise in the = fields of licensing, numbering and radiocommunications. =20 In a competitive bidding process, NeuStar was selected by CEPT as the preferred provider of ETNS number administration services. ERO noted = that NeuStar proposed a flexible and scalable technical solution and = proposed a sound project and communications plan. =20 "We are delighted to have been selected for this project, which is a critical next step in the evolution of Europe's telecommunications infrastructure," said Christine Walker, Vice President of Business Development for NeuStar, Europe. "Our extensive interoperability = experience ensures that we will be able to provide the necessary stability and flexibility for the new ETNS system." "The NeuStar solution demonstrates to us the essential components of openness and neutrality," said ERO Director Thormod B=F8e. "It = provides for a transaction-based pricing scheme that we also expect will encourage = smaller service providers and network operators to become active in the ETNS market." NeuStar, Inc., based in Washington, D.C., is committed to administering = high quality, evenhanded and competitively neutral infrastructure services = to the communications industry. NeuStar provides registry services to the = entire North American communications industry. As the Local Number = Portability Administrator, NeuStar manages the registry database that is a critical component for the routing of all telephone calls in North America. = Neustar also acts as the North American Numbering Plan Administrator. This associated registry database contains all of the area codes and central office codes (or exchanges) in North America. Visit NeuStar online at www.neustar.com , and the new ETNS website at www.etns.org .=20 ### =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A741.D4AAF3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
C'est incroyable!
 
Next step = if for Neustar=20 to incorporate the +1 code in with the Euro country code and to allow = number=20 portability throughout this region.
 
The EU is = running=20 amuk!
 
Bert
albert.e.manfredi@boeing.co= m
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Judith = Oppenheimer=20 [mailto:joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com]
Sent: Wednesday, = March 07,=20 2001 2:45 PM
To: enum@ietf.org;=20 ENUM@ALMSNTSA.LMLIST.STATE.GOV
Subject: [Enum] fyi, NEUSTAR = to=20 manage establishment of European Telephony Numbering Space=20 (ETNS)

I = just received this=20 -- thoughts?  comments?

Judith

 

 

 

Release:  Immediate           &= nbsp;     =20            &nb= sp;       =20 Contact: Bill Stern = (202-533-2648)

Online:  www.neustar.com

 

 

           &nb= sp;   =20 ERO SELECTS NEUSTAR TO MANAGE = ETNS

Washington, DC/London, UK (March = 06,=20 2001) – = NeuStar, Inc.=20 announced today that it has been selected by the European = Radiocommunications=20 Office (ERO) to manage the establishment of the European Telephony = Numbering=20 Space (ETNS), which will establish a single country code for all of = Europe,=20 and assist in enhancing the availability of pan-European = telecommunications=20 services.  =20

NeuStar, North America’s = leading provider=20 of interoperability solutions, opened an office in London last year = to provide=20 assistance to European telecommunications companies facing = interoperability=20 issues.

ERO is a=20 permanent office of the European Committee on Telecommunications = Regulatory=20 Affairs of CEPT (European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications = Administrations) and a centre of expertise in the fields of = licensing,=20 numbering and radiocommunications.  

In a=20 competitive bidding process, NeuStar was selected by CEPT as the = preferred=20 provider of ETNS number administration services.  ERO noted that NeuStar = proposed a=20 flexible and scalable technical solution and proposed a sound project = and=20 communications plan.  =

“We are delighted to have = been selected for=20 this project, which is a critical next step in the evolution of = Europe’s=20 telecommunications infrastructure,” said Christine Walker, Vice = President of=20 Business Development for NeuStar, Europe.  “Our extensive = interoperability=20 experience ensures that we will be able to provide the necessary = stability and=20 flexibility for the new ETNS system.”

“The NeuStar solution = demonstrates to us=20 the essential components of openness and neutrality,” said ERO = Director=20 Thormod B=F8e.  “It provides = for a=20 transaction-based pricing scheme that we also expect will encourage = smaller=20 service providers and network operators to become active in the ETNS=20 market.”

NeuStar,=20 Inc., based in Washington, D.C., is committed to administering high = quality,=20 evenhanded and competitively neutral infrastructure services to the=20 communications industry. NeuStar provides registry services to the = entire=20 North American communications industry. =20 As the Local Number Portability Administrator, NeuStar manages = the=20 registry database that is a critical component for the routing of all = telephone calls in North America. =20 Neustar also acts as the North American Numbering Plan=20 Administrator.  This = associated=20 registry database contains all of the area codes and central office = codes (or=20 exchanges) in North America. Visit NeuStar online at www.neustar.com, and the new = ETNS website=20 at www.etns.org .

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Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA09357; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:40:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA09327 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA23698 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from rds.ix.netcom.com (user-2ivercb.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.109.139]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04411; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:39:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010307162507.02a1b630@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rshockey/popd.ix.netcom.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:29:06 -0500 To: "Manfredi, Albert E" , "'Judith Oppenheimer'" , enum@ietf.org, ENUM@ALMSNTSA.LMLIST.STATE.GOV From: Richard Shockey Subject: RE: [Enum] fyi, NEUSTAR to manage establishment of European Telephony Numbering Space (ETNS) In-Reply-To: <8D6509B44ACCEB43A96E032B9C3EA0C813144E@xch-ne-02.he.boeing .com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_14419365==_.ALT" Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org --=====================_14419365==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:04 PM 3/7/2001 -0500, Manfredi, Albert E wrote: >C'est incroyable! > >Next step if for Neustar to incorporate the +1 code in with the Euro >country code and to allow number portability throughout this region. > >The EU is running amuk! > >Bert >albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com > > Judith, Albert ... this has nothing to do with ENUM in any way shape or form and as such I'm not going to comment on it and its completely out of scope for the IETF list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Technical Industry Liaison NeuStar Inc. 1120 Vermont Avenue N.W., Suite 550, Washington DC. 20005 Voice: 202.533.2811, Cell : 314.503.0640, Fax: 815.333.1237 or <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< --=====================_14419365==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 03:04 PM 3/7/2001 -0500, Manfredi, Albert E wrote:
C'est incroyable!
 
Next step if for Neustar to incorporate the +1 code in with the Euro country code and to allow number portability throughout this region.
 
The EU is running amuk!
 
Bert
albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com
 
 

Judith, Albert  ... this has nothing to do with ENUM in any way shape or form and as such I'm not going to comment on it and its completely out of scope for the IETF list.






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NeuStar Inc.
1120 Vermont Avenue N.W., Suite 550, Washington DC. 20005
Voice: 202.533.2811,  Cell : 314.503.0640,  Fax: 815.333.1237
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--=====================_14419365==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Wed Mar 7 17:16:49 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id RAA24733 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09763; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09732 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from joy.songbird.com (IDENT:root@songbird.com [208.184.79.7]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id RAA24333 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dhc-th.dcrocker.net (slsyd27p15.ozemail.com.au [203.108.31.207]) by joy.songbird.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29372; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:00:37 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.10.2.20010308085115.03f2dae0@brandenburg.com> X-Sender: dhc@brandenburg.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.0.10 (Beta) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 08:51:59 +1100 To: "Judith Oppenheimer" From: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: [Enum] fyi, NEUSTAR to manage establishment of European Telephony Numbering Space (ETNS) Cc: , In-Reply-To: <019001c0a73f$2afd5e80$fcab580c@att.net.icbtollfree.com> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010228152154.0293eec0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org At 06:45 AM 3/8/2001, Judith Oppenheimer wrote: >I just received this -- thoughts? comments? Yes: The topic has nothing to do with the technical effort of an IETF working group. It is not appropriate to discuss it here. d/ ---------- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking tel: +1.408.246.8253; fax: +1.408.273.6464 _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Thu Mar 8 05:17:28 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id FAA21165 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 05:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA26674; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 05:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA26643 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 05:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ties.itu.ch (root@ties.itu.ch [156.106.192.33]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id FAA21069 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 05:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from arutkowski-lap.netmagic.com ([156.106.209.48]) by ties.itu.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10482; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:01:44 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.1.0.10.2.20010308094035.0393bb20@mail.netmagic.com> X-Sender: amr@mail.netmagic.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.0.10 (Beta) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:47:56 +0100 To: "Judith Oppenheimer" , , From: "A.M.Rutkowski" Subject: Re: [Enum] fyi, NEUSTAR to manage establishment of European Telephony Numbering Space (ETNS) In-Reply-To: <019001c0a73f$2afd5e80$fcab580c@att.net.icbtollfree.com> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010228152154.0293eec0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_249140925==_.ALT" Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org --=====================_249140925==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:45 PM 07-03-01, Judith Oppenheimer wrote: >I just received this -- thoughts? comments? Of course this is relevant is we are going to deal with regional or national administrative issues. Fortunately such discussions have been halted, and will apparently continue in a CEC forum equivalent to the USG's ITAC-T SG-A ENUM AdHoc. best, tony --=====================_249140925==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 08:45 PM 07-03-01, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:

I just received this -- thoughts?  comments?

Of course this is relevant is we are going to
deal with regional or national administrative
issues.  Fortunately such discussions have
been halted, and will apparently continue in
a CEC forum equivalent to the USG's ITAC-T
SG-A ENUM AdHoc.

best,
tony --=====================_249140925==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Thu Mar 8 16:38:03 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA14155 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07073; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07044 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from joy.songbird.com (IDENT:root@songbird.com [208.184.79.7]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA13739 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from dhc-th.dcrocker.net (slmel27p28.ozemail.com.au [203.108.205.220]) by joy.songbird.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19625; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:19:49 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.10.2.20010309073612.025dd8a0@brandenburg.com> X-Sender: dhc@brandenburg.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.0.10 (Beta) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:37:26 +1100 To: "A.M.Rutkowski" From: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: [Enum] fyi, NEUSTAR to manage establishment of European Telephony Numbering Space (ETNS) Cc: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.10.2.20010308094035.0393bb20@mail.netmagic.com> References: <019001c0a73f$2afd5e80$fcab580c@att.net.icbtollfree.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20010228152154.0293eec0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org At 07:47 PM 3/8/2001, A.M.Rutkowski wrote: >At 08:45 PM 07-03-01, Judith Oppenheimer wrote: > >>I just received this -- thoughts? comments? > >Of course this is relevant is we are going to >deal with regional or national administrative >issues. IETF working groups do not discuss business announcements, Tony. You should know that. d/ ---------- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking tel: +1.408.246.8253; fax: +1.408.273.6464 _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Mon Mar 12 16:29:06 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA20642 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA09917; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA09886 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange.chaos.com (exchange.chaos.com [206.5.17.8]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA20379 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.168.250.52] by exchange.netmagic.com (NTMail 5.06.0016/NT2627.00.5ef58ba0) with ESMTP id deelaaaa for enum@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:12:48 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.10.2.20010312161229.00af8828@mail.netmagic.com> X-Sender: amr@mail.netmagic.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.0.10 (Beta) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:12:47 -0500 To: enum@ietf.org From: "A.M. Rutkowski" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1233296646==_.ALT" Subject: [Enum] Development and Basis of International Telephone Numbering Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org --=====================_1233296646==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Abstract This document describes the development and basis of International Telephone Numbering as it has been manifested through the activities and formal instruments of the International Consultative Committee for Telephony (CCIF) and forums of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). The current practices for International Telephony Numbering are currently contained in a more general instrument, the International Public Telecommunication Numbering Plan, ITU-T Recommendation E.164 (05/97). The historical record of this activity makes it clear that the basis for telephone numbering has always been that of autonomous sovereign nations and their international public telephony service providers cooperating among themselves to facilitate the routing of calls between their independent national telephony networks. This historical record and basic instruments clearly contradict the notion of a simple authoritative numbering namespace hierarchy governed under the ITU and applied to all instantiations of telephone numbers, such as ENUM-based identifier services in either designated or competitive DNS zones provided using the RFC2916 protocol. This has been temporarily placed at the following location: http://www.ngi.org/enum/pub/draft-rutkowski-enum-basis-00.txt --=====================_1233296646==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Abstract

   This document describes the development and basis of International
   Telephone Numbering as it has been manifested through the
   activities and formal instruments of the International
   Consultative Committee for Telephony (CCIF) and forums of the
   International Telecommunication Union (ITU).  The current
   practices for International Telephony Numbering are currently
   contained in a more general instrument, the International Public
   Telecommunication Numbering Plan, ITU-T Recommendation E.164
   (05/97).
  
   The historical record of this activity makes it clear that the
   basis for telephone numbering has always been that of autonomous
   sovereign nations and their international public telephony service
   providers cooperating among themselves to facilitate the routing of
   calls between their independent national telephony networks.  This
   historical record and basic instruments clearly contradict the
   notion of a simple authoritative numbering namespace hierarchy
   governed under the ITU and applied to all instantiations of
   telephone numbers, such as ENUM-based identifier services in either
   designated or competitive DNS zones provided using the RFC2916
   protocol. 

This has been temporarily placed at the following
location:

http://www.ngi.org/enum/pub/draft-rutkowski-enum-basis-00.txt

 --=====================_1233296646==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Tue Mar 13 07:07:44 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id HAA18554 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA29723; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA29692 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from p-mail1.cnet.fr (p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.fr [193.49.124.31]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id GAA18349 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by p-biset.rd.francetelecom.fr with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:50:20 +0100 Message-ID: <98388C05D464D111B61800805F1504160233A370@p-ibis.rd.francetelecom.fr> From: BARNOLE Valerie FTRD/DAC/ISS To: "'A.M. Rutkowski'" , enum@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Enum] Development and Basis of International Telephone Numbe ring Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:50:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary" Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0ABB3.C747EFD0" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0ABB3.C747EFD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony, I can not understand why you think ITU wants to have the hold on every single domain name which contains E.164 numbers. Neither ITU or any = other entity can. And ITU does not claim it. I do not understand why you don't want to hear that there are some = people who feel that having a DNS zone under ITU authority to who Member = States can go easily is something that they need. Are these people and ITU as a coordinator threatening e164.org ? I = don't think so. Furthermore, in my opinion, Member states don't think that = they leave their sovereignty to ITU. They hope to have easier dispute = resolution through ITU, where they are consulted, than through ICANN, a = californian law entity. Why fighting against an option that some people agree if this option = allows other to exist ? I hope that the coordination of ITU with the = collaboration of NRAs in charge of numbers would allow an ENUM trusted domain. And I = need it if i want to enter ENUM business. Please Tony, let's be open minded. =20 Valerie. =20 end of message=20 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _=20 Val=E9rie Barnole=20 FTR&D/DAC/ACE=20 tel. : + 33 1 45 29 58 39=20 fax : + 33 1 46 29 31 42=20 mail to : valerie.barnole@francetelecom.fr=20 -----Message d'origine----- De : A.M. Rutkowski [mailto:amr@netmagic.com] Envoy=E9 : lundi 12 mars 2001 22:13 =C0 : enum@ietf.org Objet : [Enum] Development and Basis of International Telephone = Numbering Abstract This document describes the development and basis of International Telephone Numbering as it has been manifested through the activities and formal instruments of the International Consultative Committee for Telephony (CCIF) and forums of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). The current=20 practices for International Telephony Numbering are currently contained in a more general instrument, the International Public Telecommunication Numbering Plan, ITU-T Recommendation E.164=20 (05/97). =20 The historical record of this activity makes it clear that the basis for telephone numbering has always been that of autonomous sovereign nations and their international public telephony service providers cooperating among themselves to facilitate the routing of calls between their independent national telephony networks. This historical record and basic instruments clearly contradict the notion of a simple authoritative numbering namespace hierarchy governed under the ITU and applied to all instantiations of telephone numbers, such as ENUM-based identifier services in either designated or competitive DNS zones provided using the RFC2916 protocol. =20 This has been temporarily placed at the following location: http://www.ngi.org/enum/pub/draft-rutkowski-enum-basis-00.txt =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0ABB3.C747EFD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tony,
I can=20 not understand why you think ITU wants to have the hold on every single = domain=20 name which contains E.164 numbers. Neither ITU or any other entity can. = And ITU=20 does not claim it.
I do=20 not understand why you don't want to hear that there are some people = who feel=20 that having a DNS zone under ITU authority to who Member States can go = easily is=20 something that they need.
Are=20 these people and ITU as a coordinator threatening e164.org ? I don't = think so.=20 Furthermore, in my opinion, Member states don't think that they leave = their=20 sovereignty to ITU. They hope to have easier dispute resolution through = ITU,=20 where they are consulted, than through ICANN, a californian law=20 entity.
Why=20 fighting against an option that some people agree if this option allows = other to=20 exist ? I hope that the coordination of ITU with the collaboration of = NRAs in=20 charge of numbers would allow an ENUM trusted domain. And I need = it if i=20 want to enter ENUM business.
Please=20 Tony, let's be open minded.
 
Valerie.
 

end of message =
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ = _=20

Val=E9rie Barnole =

FTR&D/DAC/ACE

tel. : +=20 33 1 45 29 58 39
fax : = + 33 1 46 29 31 42

mail to : valerie.barnole@francetelecom.fr

-----Message d'origine-----
De : A.M. = Rutkowski=20 [mailto:amr@netmagic.com]
Envoy=E9 : lundi 12 mars = 2001=20 22:13
=C0 : enum@ietf.org
Objet : = [Enum]=20 Development and Basis of International Telephone=20 Numbering

Abstract

   This=20 document describes the development and basis of = International
  =20 Telephone Numbering as it has been manifested through = the
  =20 activities and formal instruments of the = International
  =20 Consultative Committee for Telephony (CCIF) and forums of = the
  =20 International Telecommunication Union (ITU).  The current=20
   practices for International Telephony Numbering are=20 currently
   contained in a more general instrument, the = International Public
   Telecommunication Numbering = Plan, ITU-T=20 Recommendation E.164
   (05/97).
  =20
   The historical record of this activity makes it = clear that=20 the
   basis for telephone numbering has always been = that of=20 autonomous
   sovereign nations and their international = public=20 telephony service
   providers cooperating among = themselves to=20 facilitate the routing of
   calls between their = independent=20 national telephony networks.  This
   historical = record and=20 basic instruments clearly contradict the
   notion of a = simple=20 authoritative numbering namespace hierarchy
   governed = under the=20 ITU and applied to all instantiations of
   telephone = numbers,=20 such as ENUM-based identifier services in either
   = designated or=20 competitive DNS zones provided using the RFC2916
  =20 protocol. 

This has been temporarily placed at the=20 following
location:

http://www.ngi.org/enum/pub/draft-rutkowski-enum-basi= s-00.txt

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0ABB3.C747EFD0-- --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Tue Mar 13 07:30:34 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id HAA18769 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA00181; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA00150 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange.chaos.com (exchange.chaos.com [206.5.17.8]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id HAA18634 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.5.17.17] by exchange.netmagic.com (NTMail 5.06.0016/NT2627.00.5ef58ba0) with ESMTP id gkelaaaa for enum@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:14:37 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.10.2.20010313065217.00b0ba90@mail.netmagic.com> X-Sender: amr@mail.netmagic.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.0.10 (Beta) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:14:36 -0500 To: BARNOLE Valerie FTRD/DAC/ISS , enum@ietf.org From: "A.M.Rutkowski" Subject: RE: [Enum] Development and Basis of International Telephone Numbe ring In-Reply-To: <98388C05D464D111B61800805F1504160233A370@p-ibis.rd.francet elecom.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_751939351==_.ALT" Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org --=====================_751939351==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Valerie, >I can not understand why you think ITU wants to have the hold on every >single domain name which contains E.164 numbers. Neither ITU or any other >entity can. And ITU does not claim it. >I do not understand why you don't want to hear that there are some people >who feel that having a DNS zone under ITU authority to who Member States >can go easily is something that they need. >Are these people and ITU as a coordinator threatening e164.org ? I don't >think so. Furthermore, in my opinion, Member states don't think that they >leave their sovereignty to ITU. They hope to have easier dispute >resolution through ITU, where they are consulted, than through ICANN, a >californian law entity. >Why fighting against an option that some people agree if this option >allows other to exist ? I hope that the coordination of ITU with the >collaboration of NRAs in charge of numbers would allow an ENUM trusted >domain. And I need it if i want to enter ENUM business. The Internet Draft was essentially a historical compilation which seems to support what you are saying about the autonomy among nations and providers that resulted in the present international public telephone number arrangements. To the extent there are any kind of message embedded in the document, it's that enhancing trust in end user zones may require multiple techniques, and that digital certificates could likely be very useful as a trust tool. The other issue you raise - which is the role of Member States in establishing and regulating designated ENUM zones - was of course a subject before WTPF2001 which we shared together last week. :-) This raises an extensive set of additional complexities that the I-D doesn't deal with, but will considered in a great many forums over the coming months and years. bon journee, tony --=====================_751939351==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi Valerie,

I can not understand why you think ITU wants to have the hold on every single domain name which contains E.164 numbers. Neither ITU or any other entity can. And ITU does not claim it.
I do not understand why you don't want to hear that there are some people who feel that having a DNS zone under ITU authority to who Member States can go easily is something that they need.
Are these people and ITU as a coordinator threatening e164.org ? I don't think so. Furthermore, in my opinion, Member states don't think that they leave their sovereignty to ITU. They hope to have easier dispute resolution through ITU, where they are consulted, than through ICANN, a californian law entity.
Why fighting against an option that some people agree if this option allows other to exist ? I hope that the coordination of ITU with the collaboration of NRAs in charge of numbers would allow an ENUM trusted domain. And I need it if i want to enter ENUM business.

The Internet Draft was essentially a historical compilation
which seems to support what you are saying about the
autonomy among nations and providers that resulted in the
present international public telephone number arrangements.

To the extent there are any kind of message embedded
in the document, it's that enhancing trust in end user
zones may require multiple techniques, and that digital
certificates could likely be very useful as a trust
tool.

The other issue you raise - which is the role of Member
States in establishing and regulating designated ENUM
zones - was of course a subject before WTPF2001 which
we shared together last week. :-)  This raises an
extensive set of additional complexities that the I-D
doesn't deal with, but will considered in a great many
forums over the coming months and years.

bon journee,
tony

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