From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 2 12:36:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CABA3A69DA; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:36:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@ietf.org Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 2B45C3A6950; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:36:52 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Message-Id: <20080602193652.2B45C3A6950@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: [Enum] Last Call: draft-ietf-enum-combined (Combined User and Infrastructure ENUM in the e164.arpa tree) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has received a request from the Telephone Number Mapping WG (enum) to consider the following document: - 'Combined User and Infrastructure ENUM in the e164.arpa tree ' as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. 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The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-enum-combined-08.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=15070&rfc_flag=0 _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 2 12:37:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02AC328C13A; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@ietf.org Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id CC2643A6915; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:37:43 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Message-Id: <20080602193743.CC2643A6915@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: [Enum] Last Call: draft-ietf-enum-infrastructure (The E.164 to Uniform Resource Identifiers (URI) Dynamic Delegation Discovery System (DDDS) Application for Infrastructure ENUM) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has received a request from the Telephone Number Mapping WG (enum) to consider the following document: - 'The E.164 to Uniform Resource Identifiers (URI) Dynamic Delegation Discovery System (DDDS) Application for Infrastructure ENUM ' as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. 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The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-enum-infrastructure-07.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=14621&rfc_flag=0 _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 3 01:59:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19A03A68AB; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:59:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7E03A6767; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:59:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.594, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EDlRv9G1iZ7G; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from open.nlnetlabs.nl (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC713A690F; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [196.200.214.28] ([196.200.214.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m538whqQ011691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:58:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Olaf@nlnetlabs.nl) Message-Id: From: Olaf Kolkman To: "IESG ((E-mail))" , enum@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20080602193743.CC2643A6915@core3.amsl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:58:25 +0100 References: <20080602193743.CC2643A6915@core3.amsl.com> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d52 (v52, Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:58:53 +0200 (CEST) Cc: IAB IAB , IETF Discussion Subject: Re: [Enum] Last Call: draft-ietf-enum-infrastructure (The E.164 to Uniform Resource Identifiers (URI) Dynamic Delegation Discovery System (DDDS) Application for Infrastructure ENUM) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1383974235==" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1383974235== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-3-100587658" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-3-100587658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jun 2, 2008, at 8:37 PM, The IESG wrote: > The IESG has received a request from the Telephone Number Mapping WG > (enum) to consider the following document: > > - 'The E.164 to Uniform Resource Identifiers (URI) Dynamic Delegation > Discovery System (DDDS) Application for Infrastructure ENUM ' > as an Informational RFC To the IESG and the ENUM WG, The ENUM WG and its chairs, together with the RAI Area Directors have asked the IAB for a review on Infrastructure ENUM documents based on the current state of the Internet Drafts in the ENUM working group. IAB has collected information about Infrastructure ENUM, its rationale, use cases and reviewed the ENUM WG discussion surrounding its deployment challenges. IAB has drawn the conclusion that the current Internet Drafts regarding Infrastructure ENUM are reusing ENUM technology but potentially use it with an alternative anchor other than the e164.arpa domain, as defined in RFC 3761, that was agreed to between IAB and ITU-T. It is well known that ENUM technology is used today with multiple anchors in both public and private schemes outside of e164.arpa. That said, IAB is generally concerned with the referential integrity of lookup mechanisms that may be used by multiple entities for fundamentally different purposes. Such usage requires that the resolution algorithm produce different responses depending on the context. One such context, when discussing ENUM, is what anchor is in use. This issue is similar to that of the namespace context in the DNS and the uniqueness of the root, which are discussed in RFC 2826. For alternative ENUM anchors to work, agreements are needed on what anchor to use, how the selection of anchors should be controlled, and who should be the registry. The ENUM working group has created a series of documents regarding Infrastructure ENUM. The IAB understands there is (working group) consensus to publish these documents as RFCs. Based on the reasons laid out above, the IAB suggests the documents be published as Informational RFCs only, as is currently proposed. The IAB believes that the IETF should not make any unilateral decisions regarding issues about mapping e.164 numbers into the DNS. The possible use of another domain is considered outside the existing agreements surrounding e164.arpa between IAB and ITU-T. Such issues fall within the scope of the ongoing and successful cooperation between the ITU-T and the IETF. Consequently, the IAB plans to send a liaison letter to the ITU-T, and based on the response, the IAB will suggest further steps for the ENUM WG in the IETF. For the IAB, --Olaf Kolkman --Apple-Mail-3-100587658 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. iEYEARECAAYFAkhFB7EACgkQtN/ca3YJIoczAACeJLlV5gMdGEihqieweSzqehx4 nb8AnjP3QNSPm1eExaQoL/92577D1f5R =sWNf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-3-100587658-- --===============1383974235== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum --===============1383974235==-- From enum-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 5 08:13:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC99828C281; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:13:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6072F28C281; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:13:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qteAxWlJ85Pt; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.songbird.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:2c0:9fff:fe3e:4009]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2BB28C28E; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rshockeyPC (neustargw.va.neustar.com [209.173.53.233]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m55FAghY005164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:10:43 -0700 From: "Richard Shockey" To: , Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:11:41 -0400 Message-ID: <11bb01c8c71e$77a0c3b0$66e24b10$@us> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcbidRrsdNW+DQs8QJaqMDsmeXxplw== Content-Language: en-us X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Clean X-Songbird-From: richard@shockey.us Cc: 'Cullen Jennings' , =?iso-8859-1?Q?'=22Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m=22'?= , "'Peterson, Jon'" Subject: [Enum] ENUM WG Request for Publication - draft-ietf-enum-3761bis-03 X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: richard@shockey.us List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org This is a request for publication on one ENUM WG document. Title : The E.164 to Uniform Resource Identifiers (URI) Dynamic Delegation Discovery System (DDDS) Application (ENUM) Author(s) : S. Bradner, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-enum-3761bis-03.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2008-03-31 This document discusses the use of the Domain Name System (DNS) for the storage of E.164 numbers, and for resolving them into URIs that can be used for (for example) telephony call setup. This document also describes how the DNS can be used to identify the services associated with an E.164 number. This document obsoletes RFC 3761. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-enum-3761bis-03.txt A three week WG last call on this document concluded on June 5 2008. The document listed above is being considered for Proposed Standard status. This document has been extensively discussed during 2006-2008. 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Attached is your original message. - Unprocessed: http://goduciguhed61.blogspot.com/ - Done. --===============1931565290== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces-protocol-request@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces-protocol-request@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624FB3A6784; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:32:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -71.742 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-71.742 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_95=3, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HELO_EQ_DYNAMIC=1.144, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU=1.812, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_NOV5A=1.062, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EJgm1jQdhhUs; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 189-015-103-004.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br (189-015-103-004.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br [189.15.103.4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 363ED3A6B3A; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:31:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 139.102.2.96 by smtp.189.15.103.4; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:32:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Perry Call" Reply-To: "Perry Call" To: enum-archive@ietf.org Subject: Watches made to impress Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:32:24 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit An IWC watch is a uniquely handcrafted time piece that combines a classical element with a timeless elegance. Its appeal comes from their traditional beauty and their superb performance. But this sophistication has always come with a high price tag. Except of course, when you buy an IWC replica. And Prestige Replicas has dozens of IWC replica watches at prices so incredibly low that you can rest assured they won't last long! So, why not head over to Prestige Replicas right now and take a look at their IWC watches? After all, isn't it time you wore a splendid wristwatch without having to spend a fortune? http://goduciguhed61.blogspot.com/ --===============1931565290==-- From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 9 10:32:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB9B3A6C46 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The results of your email commands From: enum-bounces@ietf.org To: enum-archive@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0763733264==" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:32:23 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org --===============0763733264== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Unprocessed: http://goduciguhed61.blogspot.com/ - Done. --===============0763733264== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-request@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum-request@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624FB3A6784; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:32:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -71.742 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-71.742 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_95=3, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HELO_EQ_DYNAMIC=1.144, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU=1.812, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_NOV5A=1.062, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EJgm1jQdhhUs; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 189-015-103-004.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br (189-015-103-004.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br [189.15.103.4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 363ED3A6B3A; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:31:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 139.102.2.96 by smtp.189.15.103.4; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:32:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Perry Call" Reply-To: "Perry Call" To: enum-archive@ietf.org Subject: Watches made to impress Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:32:24 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit An IWC watch is a uniquely handcrafted time piece that combines a classical element with a timeless elegance. Its appeal comes from their traditional beauty and their superb performance. But this sophistication has always come with a high price tag. Except of course, when you buy an IWC replica. And Prestige Replicas has dozens of IWC replica watches at prices so incredibly low that you can rest assured they won't last long! So, why not head over to Prestige Replicas right now and take a look at their IWC watches? After all, isn't it time you wore a splendid wristwatch without having to spend a fortune? http://goduciguhed61.blogspot.com/ --===============0763733264==-- From grow-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 9 10:32:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CD728C1A2 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:32:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Your message to GROW awaits moderator approval From: grow-bounces@ietf.org To: enum-archive@ietf.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:32:23 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: grow@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Grow Working Group Mailing List X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: grow-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: grow-bounces@ietf.org Your mail to 'GROW' with the subject Watches made to impress Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. 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If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/confirm/grow/2083b9d6804ec16ccc9329431119512cfd27138c From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 9 10:32:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64DF3A6A83 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The results of your email commands From: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org To: enum-archive@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0018086919==" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:32:23 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org --===============0018086919== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Unprocessed: http://goduciguhed61.blogspot.com/ - Done. --===============0018086919== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv-request@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv-request@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624FB3A6784; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:32:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -71.742 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-71.742 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_95=3, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HELO_EQ_DYNAMIC=1.144, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU=1.812, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_NOV5A=1.062, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EJgm1jQdhhUs; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 189-015-103-004.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br (189-015-103-004.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br [189.15.103.4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 363ED3A6B3A; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:31:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 139.102.2.96 by smtp.189.15.103.4; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:32:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Perry Call" Reply-To: "Perry Call" To: enum-archive@ietf.org Subject: Watches made to impress Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:32:24 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit An IWC watch is a uniquely handcrafted time piece that combines a classical element with a timeless elegance. Its appeal comes from their traditional beauty and their superb performance. But this sophistication has always come with a high price tag. Except of course, when you buy an IWC replica. And Prestige Replicas has dozens of IWC replica watches at prices so incredibly low that you can rest assured they won't last long! So, why not head over to Prestige Replicas right now and take a look at their IWC watches? After all, isn't it time you wore a splendid wristwatch without having to spend a fortune? http://goduciguhed61.blogspot.com/ --===============0018086919==-- From forces-protocol-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 9 10:32:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A6B3A6A83 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:32:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Your message to Forces-protocol awaits moderator approval From: forces-protocol-bounces@ietf.org To: enum-archive@ietf.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:32:23 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: forces-protocol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: forces-protocol X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: forces-protocol-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: forces-protocol-bounces@ietf.org Your mail to 'Forces-protocol' with the subject Watches made to impress Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/confirm/forces-protocol/68b4b140c2586d3399030565f06bb82f93ea3d02 From c.serranova@omg.com.do Mon Jun 9 17:13:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DA13A6B4E; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:13:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -81.026 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-81.026 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR=2.426, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU=1.812, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sU0LInZtqRq3; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c-75-74-13-86.hsd1.fl.comcast.net (c-75-74-13-86.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [75.74.13.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F79228C1AC; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:12:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 6.231.164.124 by smtp.75.74.13.86; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:12:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Rudy Billings" Reply-To: "Rudy Billings" To: enum-archive@ietf.org Subject: April promo on watches Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:12:58 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit A Breitling watch is a statement not just of wealth, but of sophistication... it's a way to show the world that you are a man in charge of your life and that you know exactly what you want. 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It offers excellent quality timepieces at unsurpassed prices; a privacy-assured guarantee, incomparable customer service, and what's better: 15% off when you buy two watches! http://tutemomaxeb38.blogspot.com/ From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 9 17:13:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B6F28C19E for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The results of your email commands From: enum-bounces@ietf.org To: enum-archive@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0297567055==" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:13:14 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org --===============0297567055== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Unprocessed: http://tutemomaxeb38.blogspot.com/ Thanks to Prestige Replicas it is now possible! With an astonishing collection of replica Breitling timepieces at rock bottom prices, Selissia will make the delights of quality watches lovers. It offers excellent quality timepieces at unsurpassed prices; a privacy-assured guarantee, incomparable customer service, and what's better: 15% off when you buy two watches! http://tutemomaxeb38.blogspot.com/ - Done. --===============0297567055== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-request@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum-request@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DA13A6B4E; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:13:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -81.026 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-81.026 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR=2.426, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU=1.812, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sU0LInZtqRq3; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c-75-74-13-86.hsd1.fl.comcast.net (c-75-74-13-86.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [75.74.13.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F79228C1AC; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:12:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 6.231.164.124 by smtp.75.74.13.86; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:12:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Rudy Billings" Reply-To: "Rudy Billings" To: enum-archive@ietf.org Subject: April promo on watches Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:12:58 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit A Breitling watch is a statement not just of wealth, but of sophistication... it's a way to show the world that you are a man in charge of your life and that you know exactly what you want. Surely, among those things you do want is a bigger budget. So, why not kill two birds with one stone? Getting a replica Breitling wristwatch and keeping your budget practically untouched! http://tutemomaxeb38.blogspot.com/ Thanks to Prestige Replicas it is now possible! With an astonishing collection of replica Breitling timepieces at rock bottom prices, Selissia will make the delights of quality watches lovers. It offers excellent quality timepieces at unsurpassed prices; a privacy-assured guarantee, incomparable customer service, and what's better: 15% off when you buy two watches! http://tutemomaxeb38.blogspot.com/ --===============0297567055==-- From forces-protocol-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 9 17:13:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FCB28C1A4 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The results of your email commands From: forces-protocol-bounces@ietf.org To: enum-archive@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2013567569==" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:13:14 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: forces-protocol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: forces-protocol X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: forces-protocol-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: forces-protocol-bounces@ietf.org --===============2013567569== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Unprocessed: http://tutemomaxeb38.blogspot.com/ Thanks to Prestige Replicas it is now possible! With an astonishing collection of replica Breitling timepieces at rock bottom prices, Selissia will make the delights of quality watches lovers. It offers excellent quality timepieces at unsurpassed prices; a privacy-assured guarantee, incomparable customer service, and what's better: 15% off when you buy two watches! http://tutemomaxeb38.blogspot.com/ - Done. --===============2013567569== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces-protocol-request@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces-protocol-request@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DA13A6B4E; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:13:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -81.026 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-81.026 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR=2.426, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU=1.812, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sU0LInZtqRq3; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c-75-74-13-86.hsd1.fl.comcast.net (c-75-74-13-86.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [75.74.13.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F79228C1AC; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:12:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 6.231.164.124 by smtp.75.74.13.86; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:12:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Rudy Billings" Reply-To: "Rudy Billings" To: enum-archive@ietf.org Subject: April promo on watches Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:12:58 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit A Breitling watch is a statement not just of wealth, but of sophistication... it's a way to show the world that you are a man in charge of your life and that you know exactly what you want. 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This draft is a work item of the Telephone Number Mapping Working Group of the IETF. Title : ENUM-based Softswitch Requirement Author(s) : J. Lim, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-enum-softswitch-req-03.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2008-06-11 This document describes experiences of operational requirements and several considerations for ENUM-based softswitches concerning call routing between two Korean VoIP carriers, gained during the ENUM pre- commercial trial hosted by National Internet Development Agency of Korea (NIDA) in 2006. These experiences show that an interim solution can maintain the stability of on-going commercial softswitch system operations during the initial stage of ENUM service, where the DNS does not have sufficient data for the majority of calls. 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This version has been produced in response to IETF LC/GEN-ART comments. The only change is a clarification to the note text in section 4.1.3.A first point. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: enum-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:enum-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:00 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: [Enum] I-D Action:draft-ietf-enum-softswitch-req-03.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Telephone Number Mapping Working Group of the IETF. Title : ENUM-based Softswitch Requirement Author(s) : J. Lim, et al. 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Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-ietf-enum-combined-08.txt Reviewer: David L. Black Review Date: 10 June 2008 IETF LC End Date: 16 June 2008 Summary: This draft is ready for publication as an Informational RFC. Comments: This is a reasonably straightforward draft describing use of e164.arpa for an interim Infrastructure ENUM solution. Pragmatism outweighs elegance in this domain (e.g., the variable-length structure of country codes), and this draft outlines a reasonable pragmatic solution to the problem it addresses. This draft is in very good shape - kudos to the authors. A DNS Directorate review should be obtained for this draft. The UK (+44) phone numbers used in examples are not on the ID-Checklist's list of fictitious phone numbers, but consulting the UK Ofcom's official list (linked to the ID-Checklist) reveals that the number are in fact fictitious. This is fine. idnits 2.08.10 found three rather minor items that only need to be addressed if a new version of the draft is prepared for other reasons, as the RFC Editor will handle these in the normal course of editing: == The copyright year in the IETF Trust Copyright Line does not match the current year == Outdated reference: draft-ietf-enum-infrastructure-enum-reqs has been published as RFC 5067 == Outdated reference: A later version (-07) exists of draft-ietf-enum-infrastructure-06 Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. 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--YCalInvites=HvXHYBv7GEhmobigZwDQ5O33Ow3VNHP1213797759-1-- From enum-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 18 23:20:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF1C3A68B7; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:20:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24313A68B7 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:20:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9O4b+9ATuV+8 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from medel.switch.ch (medel.switch.ch [IPv6:2001:620:0:14:214:4fff:fe75:4775]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B81D3A6875 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.59.6.129] (helo=machb.switch.ch) by medel.switch.ch with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K9DW9-00075L-5j; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:21:09 +0200 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:19:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@machb To: Richard Shockey In-Reply-To: <062c01c8ccec$f0175bf0$d04613d0$@us> Message-ID: References: <062c01c8ccec$f0175bf0$d04613d0$@us> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SWITCH-SCANNER: bypassed Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] So far ENUM looks like Tue afternoon. X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Hi Rich The following documents need discussion in Dublin: - draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-guide-10 - draft-hoeneisen-enum-enumservices-transition-01 - draft-ietf-enum-x-service-regs-01 cheers, Bernie On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Richard Shockey wrote: > For those of you looking at scheduling .... > > I'll have a preliminary agenda ready shortly but if there is some new > surprises or new revisions of drafts we need to consider now is the time to > let me and Patrik know. _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 19 06:53:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853AE3A6A9F; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:53:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332873A6A9F for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:53:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IwIdK6e3Lgpc for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kahua.nona.net (pahula.nona.net [193.80.224.123]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C1B3A684C for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.10.0.112] ([::ffff:83.136.33.3]) (AUTH: PLAIN axelm, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by pahula with esmtp; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:53:46 +0200 id 00014028.485A64EA.00007DD9 Message-ID: <485A64E0.6030408@enum.at> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:53:36 +0200 From: Alexander Mayrhofer Organization: enum.at GmbH User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_pahula-32217-1213883626-0001-2" To: enum@ietf.org Subject: [Enum] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-mayrhofer-enum-loc-enumservice-00.txt] X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_pahula-32217-1213883626-0001-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've written a proposal for a "location" Enumservice - see the draft announcement below. It makes use of the proposed "geo" (individual work) and "helds" (geopriv work) URI schemes. Alex -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D Action:draft-mayrhofer-enum-loc-enumservice-00.txt Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:45:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : IANA Registration for Location ('loc') Enumservice Author(s) : A. Mayrhofer Filename : draft-mayrhofer-enum-loc-enumservice-00.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2008-06-19 This document requests IANA registration of an Enumservice for reflecting location information. The Enumservice uses the 'loc' Type name, and makes use of the proposed 'held' and 'geo' URI schemes. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mayrhofer-enum-loc-enumservice-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --=_pahula-32217-1213883626-0001-2 Content-Type: message/external-body; name="draft-mayrhofer-enum-loc-enumservice-00.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="draft-mayrhofer-enum-loc-enumservice-00.txt" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-06-19063505.I-D@ietf.org> --=_pahula-32217-1213883626-0001-2 Content-Type: text/plain; name="Attached Message Part"; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Attached Message Part" _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt --=_pahula-32217-1213883626-0001-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum --=_pahula-32217-1213883626-0001-2-- From enum-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 19 07:39:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA223A67A2; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:39:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635E93A67E4 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:39:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aPtIcvVnm7Xn for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from medel.switch.ch (medel.switch.ch [IPv6:2001:620:0:14:214:4fff:fe75:4775]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A5A3A6778 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.59.6.129] (helo=machb.switch.ch) by medel.switch.ch with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K9LJ5-00071S-04; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:40:11 +0200 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:38:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@machb To: Richard Shockey In-Reply-To: <097e01c8d213$88e8d130$9aba7390$@us> Message-ID: References: <062c01c8ccec$f0175bf0$d04613d0$@us> <097e01c8d213$88e8d130$9aba7390$@us> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SWITCH-SCANNER: bypassed Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] So far ENUM looks like Tue afternoon. X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Hi Rich, We haven't got any feedback from IANA yet. The IANA feedback might impact the time needed during the ENUM session. Rough estimates for time needed during ENUM WG session: - draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-guide-10: 10-15+ min - draft-hoeneisen-enum-enumservices-transition-01: 5 min - draft-ietf-enum-x-service-regs-01 5-10 min cheers, Bernie On Thu, 19 Jun 2008, Richard Shockey wrote: > > OK ..how much time do you think it will take .. we only have an hour. > > Have you heard back from IANA? > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: enum-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:enum-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >> Of Bernie Hoeneisen >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:20 AM >> To: Richard Shockey >> Cc: enum@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Enum] So far ENUM looks like Tue afternoon. >> >> Hi Rich >> >> The following documents need discussion in Dublin: >> >> - draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-guide-10 >> - draft-hoeneisen-enum-enumservices-transition-01 >> - draft-ietf-enum-x-service-regs-01 >> >> cheers, >> Bernie >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Richard Shockey wrote: >> >> > For those of you looking at scheduling .... >> > >> > I'll have a preliminary agenda ready shortly but if there is some >> new >> > surprises or new revisions of drafts we need to consider now is the >> time to >> > let me and Patrik know. >> _______________________________________________ >> enum mailing list >> enum@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From 2.1.5.395@iesgray.com Sat Jun 21 20:10:13 2008 Return-Path: <2.1.5.395@iesgray.com> X-Original-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2493A6887 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:10:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.43 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.43 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_60=1, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR=2.426, HELO_EQ_DYNAMIC=1.144, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_MIME_NO_HTML_TAG=0.097, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_FROM_DRUGS=1.666, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=2.077, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v16sGtPe2Eu0 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aw-017070.appalachianwireless.com (aw-017070.appalachianwireless.com [69.176.17.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 88DA53A67F1 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20080621030839.51483.qmail@aw-017070.appalachianwireless.com> To: Subject: RE: SALE 89% OFF From: VIAGRA INC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:10:12 -0700 (PDT)
From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 23 07:26:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D823A69DE; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:26:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30F23A69C0 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:26:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y+3yEsF5gk4p for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.nominet.org.uk (mx3.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120363A69D9 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:26:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:To:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack:Content-Type; b=X5JtxrnFqNbD6UIS9EoG7KMRKfoPpGDKaF8QV3ymbuFJ8+AklLb2zJcW VidxTroIYMG9ZFmc7uhemYafCUB66iC9iZ4PkDFW81j+xMPmBITNSfyAL 89rXolFOAJIO45C; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214231190; x=1245767190; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Send-N=20dr aft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20published|Date:=20Mo n,=2023=20Jun=202008=2015:26:28=20+0100|Message-ID:=20|To:=20enum@ietf.org|MIME-Version:=201.0; bh=0NCeK61tq3pCOOoYtlRIw62MMXkYlxdiKQrtR2n9Shg=; b=omikxzYH+G6CWoK89wCbDnZxWD6MivqReE06M004RmwEDZJyn2w9wAoC iCtQ8kNzFBEZqDmzA5QyCO+yOYgRDC2LFoRe4casnq8Tek07a10eCh0/s 4nT1lxNxJkdjn9r; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,690,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="2933426" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2008 15:26:28 +0100 To: enum@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build VMac_Beta85_20080115_MM2 January 15, 2008 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:26:28 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 23/06/2008 03:26:28 PM, Serialize complete at 23/06/2008 03:26:28 PM Subject: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org I've just submitted draft-bellis-send-n-02 and it's available now online at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 Could those who commented so vigourously on the -00 draft and then failed to make any comment at all on -01 please take a look at this one and comment now so that we don't have to spend too long over it in Dublin? The changes over -01 are relatively minor - mostly there were some small editorial nits and I've rewritten some of the text to make it a little clearer about the possible uses for this data. thanks, Ray -- Ray Bellis, MA(Oxon) Senior Researcher in Advanced Projects, Nominet e: ray@nominet.org.uk, t: +44 1865 332211 _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 23 10:08:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B783A6A62; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:08:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@ietf.org Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 7002C3A6A2F; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Message-Id: <20080623170829.7002C3A6A2F@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: enum mailing list , enum chair , Internet Architecture Board , RFC Editor Subject: [Enum] Protocol Action: 'IANA Registration of Enumservices for Voice and Video Messaging' to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has approved the following document: - 'IANA Registration of Enumservices for Voice and Video Messaging ' as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Telephone Number Mapping Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Jon Peterson and Cullen Jennings. A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-enum-vmsg-02.txt Technical Summary This document registers the Enumservice named "vmsg", which is used to facilitate the real-time routing of voice, video, and unified communications to a messaging system. This vmsg Enumservice registers three Enumservice types; "voicemsg", "videomsg", and "unifmsg". Each type also registers the subtypes "sip", "sips", "http", and "https", as well as the subtype "tel" for the "voicemsg" type. Working Group Summary The ENUM WG supports the advancement of this specification. Personnel Jon Peterson reviewed this document for the IESG. Richard Shockey is the document shepherd. _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 23 13:38:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DCE3A68FA; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:38:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8123A688D for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:38:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dm1QA5trqr4E for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.aus-biz.com (mail.aus-biz.com [208.82.100.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FD23A688B for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.101.2] (dsl-48-19.qld1.net.au [125.168.48.19]) (using SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.aus-biz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 79AF7FF26D for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:37:57 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4860099B.4060304@e164.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:37:47 +1000 From: Duane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: enum@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk wrote: > Could those who commented so vigourously on the -00 draft and then failed > to make any comment at all on -01 please take a look at this one and > comment now so that we don't have to spend too long over it in Dublin? What's there to comment on, the same problem still exists as in 00, you break wild card records and as such you will get disparity between countries. You would be much better doing something else that doesn't break DNS that all countries could use. I still find this a very useful idea if only it didn't break wild card records. -- Best regards, Duane _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 24 00:45:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FB83A684C; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:45:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9AA3A684C for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:45:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zbWo42pe5s-a for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17873A68A8 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:45:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=ITJHl0SMY/KEHpp3D6Xs+3Zv4a60lgiO0Fnj5LWVwZ6C523jeIKcBDH3 p1nlR6kkmR5z5PyQcOvkeeDG+R7VvD1TbGUw3KirGAhJnvweNiM2oJ9vk g5cSfTg+gIAw1GD; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214293521; x=1245829521; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Re:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Tue,=2024=20Jun=202008=2008:45:17=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20enum@ietf.org|Cc: =20Duane=20|MIME-Version:=201.0 |In-Reply-To:=20<4860099B.4060304@e164.org>; bh=fJ3fszF0GA3tmjRhTddii2Qyl14VsG9ObDrKwOSZTUc=; b=VrIcrPizp4ub6o7gqakjt54M5vAGqU9cqhatLYYNt3z8uVJg7n+YHBiw CvQrtMTiuQ73szDSJyJ8DHz3jhoAJkmCS1cFi3XpqezihCzZKyK1khFU4 EbcKMRlg+IvfRzk; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,695,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="2205974" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 24 Jun 2008 08:45:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4860099B.4060304@e164.org> To: enum@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.3 September 26, 2007 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:45:17 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 24/06/2008 08:45:18 AM, Serialize complete at 24/06/2008 08:45:18 AM Cc: Duane Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > What's there to comment on, the same problem still exists as in 00, you > break wild card records and as such you will get disparity between > countries. You would be much better doing something else that doesn't > break DNS that all countries could use. I still find this a very useful > idea if only it didn't break wild card records. Duane I've made specific allowance for an absolute form of the Send-N record which *is* compatible with wildcard records. Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From ca@parkinsonwright.co.uk Tue Jun 24 01:45:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3213A68F7; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:45:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -79.246 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-79.246 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR=2.426, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU=1.812, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_NOV5A=1.062, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nEpT6k3E0912; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dynamic-66-243-236-89.ellensburg.fairpoint.net (dynamic-66-243-236-89.ellensburg.fairpoint.net [66.243.236.89]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 94EF33A680F; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:45:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 124.164.116.31 by smtp.66.243.236.89; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:45:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: "James Crane" Reply-To: "James Crane" To: enum-archive@ietf.org Subject: Impressive Glashutte timepieces Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:45:43 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Did you watch the last 007 flick, Casino Royale? 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If you did, you probably noticed that all throughout the movie, James Bond wears an spectacularly beautiful Omega watch... and he even brags about it! How would you like to be wearing that same exact model watch? The good news is that YOU can! Because now, you don't have to spend thousands of dollars to sport an Omega watch! When you visit Diamond Replicas, you will be able to browse through dozens of Omega replica watches, and pick the one of your dreams for just a couple of hundred dollars. Our watches are of such undeniably high quality, and offer such superior performance, that you'll fall in love with them, and what's best: stay in love with them for years to come! 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If you did, you probably noticed that all throughout the movie, James Bond wears an spectacularly beautiful Omega watch... and he even brags about it! How would you like to be wearing that same exact model watch? The good news is that YOU can! Because now, you don't have to spend thousands of dollars to sport an Omega watch! When you visit Diamond Replicas, you will be able to browse through dozens of Omega replica watches, and pick the one of your dreams for just a couple of hundred dollars. Our watches are of such undeniably high quality, and offer such superior performance, that you'll fall in love with them, and what's best: stay in love with them for years to come! Come inside Diamond Replicas and pick your new Omega today! http://hobopyvefis52.blogspot.com/ --===============1380532840==-- From enum-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 24 02:29:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B960F3A69B2; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:29:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E826C3A69A9 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:29:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oa93e8FPYBQZ for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.aus-biz.com (mail.aus-biz.com [208.82.100.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28ED23A6889 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.101.2] (dsl-48-19.qld1.net.au [125.168.48.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.aus-biz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C7CBFF26D for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:29:17 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4860BE63.7020804@e164.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:29:07 +1000 From: Duane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: enum@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk wrote: > I've made specific allowance for an absolute form of the Send-N record > which *is* compatible with wildcard records. Yes, but it's still possible to break wild cards: > 7.2. DNS Wildcards > > The relative form of these records SHOULD NOT be used with DNS > wildcards since DNS wildcards can represent an arbitrary number of > labels (or digits, in the ENUM case) and the data in a relative form > 'Send-N' record is specific to an exact position in the ENUM tree. and if there is anything I've learnt, when ever you give someone enough rope they'll surely hang themselves sooner rather than later. I fail to see why your use for DNS should take precedence over existing DNS types at all, this will only lead to disparity between countries, I find the idea of databasing this information useful, but don't break existing systems to achieve it. -- Best regards, Duane _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 24 07:59:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D5B3A689B; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:59:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF533A689B for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:59:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cbxM7g0hWdDR for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068363A6829 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:59:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:To:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=DFjCRh4ES2nAdddnQARqBJF8HT7zqOMzJnPciHw2FkRlhpjKg6DQFH+F bnSsWlJTUhxe+TwiowkxPvn46MxkCsjiMP3jVPcSz3bN8KlWKy+hue8rx QmT4OYsNUvb8RnM; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214319549; x=1245855549; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Re:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Tue,=2024=20Jun=202008=2015:59:06=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20enum@ietf.org |MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<4860BE63.7020804@e16 4.org>; bh=5G39A914YUEQ+FYGWYuKrWa/WH1OqJURPPSqyuPT4cs=; b=E7gK/ao+qbG5Ne6K/KDHA2AbmZYGwoi11PJcuEpR6ciSIkXPqLkzuCPq MWuFdpRSaEC4rQxMnLTpk9whc6aIf1kpfQHTGX3T4olasljqAd+yfuoYp X/m+0YW3pKy8d3o; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,696,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="2212332" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 24 Jun 2008 15:59:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4860BE63.7020804@e164.org> To: enum@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.3 September 26, 2007 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:59:06 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 24/06/2008 03:59:07 PM, Serialize complete at 24/06/2008 03:59:07 PM Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > I fail to see why your use for DNS should take precedence over existing > DNS types at all, this will only lead to disparity between countries, I > find the idea of databasing this information useful, but don't break > existing systems to achieve it. My use doesn't take precedence. If you need to use wildcards, and the absolute Send-N form isn't suitable for you, just don't put in any Send-N records at all. They're completely optional. The need to wildcard can take precedence. There are plenty of cases where bad things are possible through misconfiguration of DNS records, and the usual answer is "don't do that". I'm struggling to understand why that's not considered a valid answer in this case. For what it's worth, section 5.7 of the Enumservices Guide draft specifically requests that Registration documents should identify any incompatibilities with wildcard records. That's an explicit understanding that such incompatibilities are possible. Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 24 08:09:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438593A6920; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:09:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30463A6821 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:09:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n+RjrJnGzEua for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ebru.winwebhosting.com (ebru.winwebhosting.com [74.55.202.130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D0A3A6920 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neustargw.va.neustar.com ([209.173.53.233] helo=BROSLT61xp) by ebru.winwebhosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KBA93-0006Rt-0h; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:09:21 -0500 From: "Brian Rosen" To: , References: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:09:22 -0400 Message-ID: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjVPSRf9yJcLPT+T/CuOfmeb8B0CwAzrkqw X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ebru.winwebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianrosen.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org I still have my objection to the basic notion that the base enum query is the right way to determine how many digits are needed to route. I think that information is static, and we need a standardized way to find it out, and send-n is not the right way to do that. I think overlapped dialing is going away, and devices need to be told how many digits to collect before pressing "SEND" or the equivalent. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: enum-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:enum-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:26 AM > To: enum@ietf.org > Subject: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published > > I've just submitted draft-bellis-send-n-02 and it's available now online > at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 > > Could those who commented so vigourously on the -00 draft and then failed > to make any comment at all on -01 please take a look at this one and > comment now so that we don't have to spend too long over it in Dublin? > > The changes over -01 are relatively minor - mostly there were some small > editorial nits and I've rewritten some of the text to make it a little > clearer about the possible uses for this data. > > thanks, > > Ray > > -- > Ray Bellis, MA(Oxon) > Senior Researcher in Advanced Projects, Nominet > e: ray@nominet.org.uk, t: +44 1865 332211 > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 24 08:34:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC0928C103; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6878028C0FD for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:34:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Q1hzFrJQrJ5 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3BE28C103 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:34:25 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=5xjUE3swmJ6y6KvivlJL1k0eLQFRDBOPC1At8MMIDsv0XdRFeR1WEELL KE1zufhvrg2y/dbvxXKCDDZP8F1YbQllg7RgUVV9CTd5GXua8NqAKusdV tHGKuqAFdgdrsZI; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214321667; x=1245857667; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20RE:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Tue,=2024=20Jun=202008=2016:34:24=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20enum@ietf.org |MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<124501c8d60c$4a73bdf 0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com>|References:=20=20<124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com>; bh=eJMaYerP9B5vu6cvbbQSq7+h5O/VAfsUiKACP2N7B00=; b=R+Nh9lf+Jc62/4S61MjUYOQWTPRwBzxlwzJK5P0sELAMQISVGpF+Fvgp yIpdwCB88p5fMm0yv4ORKlUFo+Qy2XnVZvVpTHhxdOFEC0zPlLO7sUtgP kWU0hCyCa1Kf4VJ; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,697,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="2212914" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 24 Jun 2008 16:34:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> To: enum@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build VMac_Beta85_20080115_MM2 January 15, 2008 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:34:24 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 24/06/2008 04:34:25 PM, Serialize complete at 24/06/2008 04:34:25 PM Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org "Brian Rosen" wrote on 24/06/2008 16:09:22: > I think overlapped dialing is going away, and devices need to be told how > many digits to collect before pressing "SEND" or the equivalent. I disagree. The particular application where this has real use is standard POTS phones sending DTMF into a switch that uses ENUM-like technology to route the call onwards. There's no way to make those current devices do a "send", and there's *millions* of them out there. Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 24 08:58:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68A23A6A64; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:58:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DEF28C10C for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:58:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hKcVPGKJrWhf for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ebru.winwebhosting.com (ebru.winwebhosting.com [74.55.202.130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E803A6A63 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neustargw.va.neustar.com ([209.173.53.233] helo=BROSLT61xp) by ebru.winwebhosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KBAuq-0000lm-HD; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:58:44 -0500 From: "Brian Rosen" To: , References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:58:46 -0400 Message-ID: <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjWD+cXnYM+7VQESvmgLhU1Xbbi4wAAu05A X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ebru.winwebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianrosen.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org The solution to the looking forward problem is easily applied to the looking backward problem. If the proxy controlling the dialing for an old device has access to the same data the new device that is controlling the dialing has, then the problem is solved. The send-n solution isn't applicable to a device with a SEND button in a sensible way. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: enum-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:enum-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 11:34 AM > To: enum@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published > > "Brian Rosen" wrote on 24/06/2008 16:09:22: > > > I think overlapped dialing is going away, and devices need to be told > how > > many digits to collect before pressing "SEND" or the equivalent. > > I disagree. > > The particular application where this has real use is standard POTS phones > sending DTMF into a switch that uses ENUM-like technology to route the > call onwards. > > There's no way to make those current devices do a "send", and there's > *millions* of them out there. > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 24 09:10:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E233A69ED; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:10:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCAA53A6951 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:10:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PFJ4tDJ-Jy4Z for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E143A69ED for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:10:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Cc: Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date: X-MIMETrack:Content-Type; b=hJLMqgg+CxATCtZQo9vKOvK+DwCoJX5f9iGeh3SiRK8sXw6W2y1FTNCM WZdj1qxlP5o07KIikZHaTswbLkbKpNXtqZyqfV1j4Q81igmo9/k4mvc2y TdB6JMyHqom2ENb; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214323854; x=1245859854; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20RE:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Tue,=2024=20Jun=202008=2017:10:52=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20"Brian=20Rosen"=20 |Cc:=20enum@ietf.org|MIME-Version:=201 .0|In-Reply-To:=20<125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neu star.com>|References:=20<124501c8d60c$4a 73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com>=20=20<1 25801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com>; bh=DFsw09CNkwmtQuAZlY1Z5+PCr+i25fm2UMYKxVkWDGk=; b=fhG//hgSee9I7Mgx+m3k22eCZpoIb77ovUgPIcRcOVexxJxwLNRm8+sO ppZQ71tqdwAFw+jb22gknkjNSsUfIoeaIUHPKcryz3yX4WEt/PD719vDV CmCCb5P7m9m2ndR; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,697,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="2213512" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 24 Jun 2008 17:10:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> To: "Brian Rosen" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build VMac_Beta85_20080115_MM2 January 15, 2008 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:10:52 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 24/06/2008 05:10:52 PM, Serialize complete at 24/06/2008 05:10:52 PM Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > The solution to the looking forward problem is easily applied to the looking > backward problem. > > If the proxy controlling the dialing for an old device has access to the > same data the new device that is controlling the dialing has, then the > problem is solved. I don't follow your reasoning. The soft switch I described doesn't have internal number length information, it only has a DNS interface to an ENUM-like database tree. This isn't hypothetical, BTW. It's how the UK's number portability solution is expected to work. > The send-n solution isn't applicable to a device with a SEND button in a > sensible way. Yes, that's correct. It's not supposed to be. Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 24 09:19:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B8E3A6822; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:19:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0889F3A67E2 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:19:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id atjIzQy9mm85 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ebru.winwebhosting.com (ebru.winwebhosting.com [74.55.202.130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7A73A67AA for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neustargw.va.neustar.com ([209.173.53.233] helo=BROSLT61xp) by ebru.winwebhosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KBBEY-00020y-IB; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:19:06 -0500 From: "Brian Rosen" To: References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:19:08 -0400 Message-ID: <126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjWFN8OO041Ug5rQtuGY5LborI0IQAAMcVQ X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ebru.winwebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianrosen.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Send-n is not implemented in the enum client. Implement something else (i.e. a client to another database which has length information) in the same server. It's possible that we'll decide the protocol for this new database is DNS. I have no opinion on that yet. I have an opinion that we should have a database with length information that all services, and all devices, can make use of. Send-n is too limited, in my opinion. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk [mailto:Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:11 PM > To: Brian Rosen > Cc: enum@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published > > > The solution to the looking forward problem is easily applied to the > looking > > backward problem. > > > > If the proxy controlling the dialing for an old device has access to the > > same data the new device that is controlling the dialing has, then the > > problem is solved. > > I don't follow your reasoning. The soft switch I described doesn't have > internal number length information, it only has a DNS interface to an > ENUM-like database tree. > > This isn't hypothetical, BTW. It's how the UK's number portability > solution is expected to work. > > > The send-n solution isn't applicable to a device with a SEND button in a > > sensible way. > > Yes, that's correct. It's not supposed to be. > > Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 24 09:39:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259B13A6970; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:39:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3B13A6970 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:39:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qo5mSKgen0ca for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8F63A6844 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:39:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Cc: Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date: X-MIMETrack:Content-Type; b=uBdOZb0jGuy5xoNOWGBNc1xryp9AJ1fCSExPW/B+rwIfApWOmSXzGrsb tAU7BwnTTJWUo6PX0ru6dvzfvp8KMnuHnOB0tVtp8LA3VsvZcpuVDyOps Z38PEwAkfLKqfpq; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214325555; x=1245861555; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20RE:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Tue,=2024=20Jun=202008=2017:39:12=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20"Brian=20Rosen"=20 |Cc:=20enum@ietf.org|MIME-Version:=201 .0|In-Reply-To:=20<126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neu star.com>|References:=20<124501c8d60c$4a 73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com>=20=20<1 25801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com>=20=20<126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.c om>; bh=P/Dw0/N1gvEr4rMT+HDuWVH6wCOpjViEDdQWYwmTbiY=; b=b32RT6z9bAhyBVSohjefmldLKk27m/uY+4un06k51lGuTFMl2g0NO6+f i+DUjT7wgisjSOHOGSyxaY/2vSr9WEEJZ1IoCV9SGB3wrFcF/v5rrU/UR U+wlAW51KvwMr5z; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,697,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="2214034" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 24 Jun 2008 17:39:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: <126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> To: "Brian Rosen" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build VMac_Beta85_20080115_MM2 January 15, 2008 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:39:12 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 24/06/2008 05:39:13 PM, Serialize complete at 24/06/2008 05:39:13 PM Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > Send-n is not implemented in the enum client. Not in an end-user client, no. > Implement something else (i.e. a client to another database which has length > information) in the same server. When devising this at NICC we did consider several alternatives. Using NAPTR records in DNS was ultimately chosen for several reasons, the most compelling of which is because it's simply optimally efficient if you're already doing a DNS lookup for NAPTR records in an ENUM-like tree to get back a Send-N record immediately rather than have to issue a second lookup request (whether that request be another protocol or a DNS query with a different QTYPE). Granted this isn't faithful to the public ENUM dogma that says that lookups should only be done on full numbers. However this isn't intended for public ENUM. Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 24 10:02:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CFC3A6970; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:02:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B96C3A68EA for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:02:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Usjz8SFmDKni for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ebru.winwebhosting.com (ebru.winwebhosting.com [74.55.202.130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82CE3A6961 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neustargw.va.neustar.com ([209.173.53.233] helo=BROSLT61xp) by ebru.winwebhosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KBBuD-0004VI-PP; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:02:09 -0500 From: "Brian Rosen" To: References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:02:13 -0400 Message-ID: <127501c8d61c$0e05ab20$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjWGNRVjuNmnorIQn+RhAodRDiX6gAAMXJQ X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ebru.winwebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianrosen.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org In your example, the enum client is in a proxy server. The proxy server is trying to route a call. Your solution is to hit enum with some query (not clear to me how you decide when to start trying, since you at least need to decode the country code, and may be decoding more than that). You then get back send-n. That tells you how many digits to get, but it's very likely that you will have to repeat it i.e., you start with the country code, you get back the minimum number of digits. You query again, and you probably get back the right number. Worst case is you are really dumb and you send a single digit. You get back "send 10" for CC1 or send 1 for nearly every other case. You then send 2 digits and then you would get some number of digits for a minimal TN in a 2 digit country code, or you would get send 1 (for a 3 digit country code). For the 3 digit case, you query again with one more digit and you get the minimum number of digits (as with the second call in the 2 digit CC). You query again with that number of digits and you either get an answer or some more send-n. This continues, each time you have to query the database. I claim there is no significant difference between the two solutions for an overlapped dialing device. They get to the same result with about the same amount of effort. Probably my solution uses more memory, but so what. I claim that my solution is much better for a non-overlapped dialing device. You came here with a problem many of us recognize as a real problem: how does any entity know how many digits it takes to get a routable TN? We agree; that's a problem worth solving. You have a solution in mind to that problem. I'm arguing it's not a good solution for everyone with the problem. You seem to agree, but you like your solution for the overlapped dialing case. I'm suggesting that we are better off solving this problem for both overlapped and non-overlapped dialing devices using one mechanism. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk [mailto:Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:39 PM > To: Brian Rosen > Cc: enum@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published > > > Send-n is not implemented in the enum client. > > Not in an end-user client, no. > > > Implement something else (i.e. a client to another database which has > length > > information) in the same server. > > When devising this at NICC we did consider several alternatives. > > Using NAPTR records in DNS was ultimately chosen for several reasons, the > most compelling of which is because it's simply optimally efficient if > you're already doing a DNS lookup for NAPTR records in an ENUM-like tree > to get back a Send-N record immediately rather than have to issue a second > lookup request (whether that request be another protocol or a DNS query > with a different QTYPE). > > Granted this isn't faithful to the public ENUM dogma that says that > lookups should only be done on full numbers. 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If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/confirm/fecframe-proto/54b7d4f43d1b048b5fe2085aef83433b9f947625 From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 24 14:31:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A84A3A6A65 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Elegant watches for less than half From: fecframe-owner@ietf.org To: enum-archive@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0720990550==" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:31:28 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org --===============0720990550== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at fecframe-owner@ietf.org. --===============0720990550== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: X-Original-To: fecframe@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: fecframe@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D9A3A681F; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -53.191 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-53.191 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_60=1, FB_QUALITY_REPLICA=10.357, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, GB_ROLEX=5, HELO_DYNAMIC_HCC=4.295, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_DSL=1.129, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU=1.812, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX=1.666, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_HIQLT=1.666, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_NOV5A=1.062, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_NOV5F=0.666, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_REP=1.666, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GDePfOl31VMj; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 140-40-223-201.adsl.terra.cl (140-40-223-201.adsl.terra.cl [201.223.40.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A67513A67D9; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:30:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 244.210.220.142 by smtp.201.223.40.140; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:30:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Felipe Hubbard" Reply-To: "Felipe Hubbard" To: enum-archive@ietf.org Subject: Elegant watches for less than half Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:30:38 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Have you always wanted a Rolex, but don't want to pay high prices for a brand name watch? 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If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/confirm/grow/cb71531f5932285297f3eece15637b1f60ee3a9e From ca@prostaff.gr Wed Jun 25 05:58:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3B628C0F1; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -78.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-78.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, HELO_DYNAMIC_CHELLO_NL=3.595, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU=1.812, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_NOV5A=1.062, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IlFS2+UgAHIg; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g176184.upc-g.chello.nl (g176184.upc-g.chello.nl [80.57.176.184]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DD183A6851; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 78.12.148.230 by smtp.80.57.176.184; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Alice Kelley" Reply-To: "Alice Kelley" To: enum-archive@ietf.org Subject: Watches for him, her and you Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:58:18 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Did you watch the last 007 flick, Casino Royale? 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If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/confirm/fecframe-proto/9482e6180b86298faae8b598cad5c92e665d4511 From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 25 05:58:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32AA28C174 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Watches for him, her and you From: fecframe-owner@ietf.org To: enum-archive@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2074169293==" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:33 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org --===============2074169293== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at fecframe-owner@ietf.org. --===============2074169293== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: X-Original-To: fecframe@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: fecframe@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3B628C0F1; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -78.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-78.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, HELO_DYNAMIC_CHELLO_NL=3.595, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU=1.812, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_NOV5A=1.062, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IlFS2+UgAHIg; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g176184.upc-g.chello.nl (g176184.upc-g.chello.nl [80.57.176.184]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DD183A6851; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 78.12.148.230 by smtp.80.57.176.184; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Alice Kelley" Reply-To: "Alice Kelley" To: enum-archive@ietf.org Subject: Watches for him, her and you Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:58:18 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Did you watch the last 007 flick, Casino Royale? If you did, you probably noticed that all throughout the movie, James Bond wears an spectacularly beautiful Omega watch... and he even brags about it! How would you like to be wearing that same exact model watch? The good news is that YOU can! Because now, you don't have to spend thousands of dollars to sport an Omega watch! When you visit Diamond Replicas, you will be able to browse through dozens of Omega replica watches, and pick the one of your dreams for just a couple of hundred dollars. Our watches are of such undeniably high quality, and offer such superior performance, that you'll fall in love with them, and what's best: stay in love with them for years to come! 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If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/confirm/forces-protocol/5316ca0bd95352913419b300e4a9b38b34361ef7 From geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 25 05:58:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4E728C17B for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The results of your email commands From: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org To: enum-archive@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0780316660==" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:33 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org --===============0780316660== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Unprocessed: http://www.geocities.com/gibsonmemomi - Done. --===============0780316660== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv-request@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv-request@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3B628C0F1; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -78.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-78.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, HELO_DYNAMIC_CHELLO_NL=3.595, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU=1.812, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_NOV5A=1.062, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IlFS2+UgAHIg; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g176184.upc-g.chello.nl (g176184.upc-g.chello.nl [80.57.176.184]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DD183A6851; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 78.12.148.230 by smtp.80.57.176.184; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Alice Kelley" Reply-To: "Alice Kelley" To: enum-archive@ietf.org Subject: Watches for him, her and you Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:58:18 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Did you watch the last 007 flick, Casino Royale? If you did, you probably noticed that all throughout the movie, James Bond wears an spectacularly beautiful Omega watch... and he even brags about it! How would you like to be wearing that same exact model watch? The good news is that YOU can! Because now, you don't have to spend thousands of dollars to sport an Omega watch! When you visit Diamond Replicas, you will be able to browse through dozens of Omega replica watches, and pick the one of your dreams for just a couple of hundred dollars. Our watches are of such undeniably high quality, and offer such superior performance, that you'll fall in love with them, and what's best: stay in love with them for years to come! Come inside Diamond Replicas and pick your new Omega today! http://www.geocities.com/gibsonmemomi --===============0780316660==-- From forces-protocol-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 25 05:58:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318C328C17C for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The results of your email commands From: forces-protocol-bounces@ietf.org To: enum-archive@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0010215969==" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:33 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: forces-protocol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: forces-protocol X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: forces-protocol-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: forces-protocol-bounces@ietf.org --===============0010215969== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Unprocessed: http://www.geocities.com/gibsonmemomi - Done. --===============0010215969== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces-protocol-request@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces-protocol-request@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3B628C0F1; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -78.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-78.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, HELO_DYNAMIC_CHELLO_NL=3.595, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU=1.812, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_NOV5A=1.062, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IlFS2+UgAHIg; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g176184.upc-g.chello.nl (g176184.upc-g.chello.nl [80.57.176.184]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DD183A6851; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 78.12.148.230 by smtp.80.57.176.184; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Alice Kelley" Reply-To: "Alice Kelley" To: enum-archive@ietf.org Subject: Watches for him, her and you Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:58:18 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Did you watch the last 007 flick, Casino Royale? If you did, you probably noticed that all throughout the movie, James Bond wears an spectacularly beautiful Omega watch... and he even brags about it! How would you like to be wearing that same exact model watch? The good news is that YOU can! Because now, you don't have to spend thousands of dollars to sport an Omega watch! When you visit Diamond Replicas, you will be able to browse through dozens of Omega replica watches, and pick the one of your dreams for just a couple of hundred dollars. Our watches are of such undeniably high quality, and offer such superior performance, that you'll fall in love with them, and what's best: stay in love with them for years to come! Come inside Diamond Replicas and pick your new Omega today! http://www.geocities.com/gibsonmemomi --===============0010215969==-- From enum-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 25 05:58:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3365E28C17B for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The results of your email commands From: enum-bounces@ietf.org To: enum-archive@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0292824323==" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:33 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org --===============0292824323== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Unprocessed: http://www.geocities.com/gibsonmemomi - Done. --===============0292824323== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-request@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum-request@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3B628C0F1; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -78.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-78.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, HELO_DYNAMIC_CHELLO_NL=3.595, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU=1.812, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_NOV5A=1.062, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IlFS2+UgAHIg; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g176184.upc-g.chello.nl (g176184.upc-g.chello.nl [80.57.176.184]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DD183A6851; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:58:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 78.12.148.230 by smtp.80.57.176.184; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Alice Kelley" Reply-To: "Alice Kelley" To: enum-archive@ietf.org Subject: Watches for him, her and you Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:58:18 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Did you watch the last 007 flick, Casino Royale? If you did, you probably noticed that all throughout the movie, James Bond wears an spectacularly beautiful Omega watch... and he even brags about it! How would you like to be wearing that same exact model watch? The good news is that YOU can! Because now, you don't have to spend thousands of dollars to sport an Omega watch! When you visit Diamond Replicas, you will be able to browse through dozens of Omega replica watches, and pick the one of your dreams for just a couple of hundred dollars. Our watches are of such undeniably high quality, and offer such superior performance, that you'll fall in love with them, and what's best: stay in love with them for years to come! Come inside Diamond Replicas and pick your new Omega today! http://www.geocities.com/gibsonmemomi --===============0292824323==-- From enum-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 25 15:07:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6868D28C108; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:07:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B51628C108 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:07:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O+Ex+cyK8MOx for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaun.rfc1035.com (shaun.rfc1035.com [195.54.233.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBEE28C0F4 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.54.233.69] (HELO gromit.rfc1035.com) by shaun.rfc1035.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.4) with ESMTP id 320224; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:07:39 +0100 Message-Id: From: Jim Reid To: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:07:39 +0100 References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: [Enum] switches and send-n NAPTRs X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org On 24 Jun 2008, at 16:34, Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk wrote: > The particular application where this has real use is standard POTS > phones > sending DTMF into a switch that uses ENUM-like technology to route the > call onwards. Eh? Why would such a beast need send-n NAPTRs? Where are the requirements and how can this WG assess whether send-n meets those requirements? I would have assumed switches would have a priori knowledge of the prevailing numbering/routing plan irrespective of whether they used ENUM-like technology. _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 26 02:05:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24C13A68BB; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:05:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EFD3A68BB for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:05:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hY-QyEIMTj2H for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.schlyter.se (trinitario.schlyter.se [195.47.254.10]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2007E3A67AE for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 90-84-133-207.icannmeeting.org (unknown [90.84.133.207]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: roy) by mail.schlyter.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 17F172DAF5; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:05:45 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <80B46A27-462C-4FB0-9218-B5AE37FE73B4@dnss.ec> From: Roy Arends To: Duane In-Reply-To: <4860BE63.7020804@e164.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:05:39 +0200 References: <4860BE63.7020804@e164.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org On Jun 24, 2008, at 11:29 AM, Duane wrote: > Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk wrote: > >> I've made specific allowance for an absolute form of the Send-N >> record >> which *is* compatible with wildcard records. > > Yes, but it's still possible to break wild cards: > >> 7.2. DNS Wildcards >> >> The relative form of these records SHOULD NOT be used with DNS >> wildcards since DNS wildcards can represent an arbitrary number of >> labels (or digits, in the ENUM case) and the data in a relative >> form >> 'Send-N' record is specific to an exact position in the ENUM tree. > > and if there is anything I've learnt, when ever you give someone > enough > rope they'll surely hang themselves sooner rather than later. > > I fail to see why your use for DNS should take precedence over > existing > DNS types at all, this will only lead to disparity between > countries, I > find the idea of databasing this information useful, but don't break > existing systems to achieve it. I find the argument of 'X breaking wildcards' ridiculous. There is no such thing. If there would be anything breaking wildcards, it would have been used and deployed widely already, since wildcards are often considered evil. Also, the concept of wildcards in DNS is often misunderstood. On many occasions, the DNSEXT WG were asked to please fix wildcards, as it did not behave as expected to those who wanted to use them. Wildcards are a part of the dns protocol. NAPTR records are used by applications that use the DNS protocol. There is no way that application use of the DNS can break the underlying DNS protocol. It is perfectly fine to state that X SHOULD NOT be used with wildcards. I would suggest you actually help to find alternative language to state that the use of the relative form of send-n NAPTR records combined with wildcard domain names is NOT RECOMMENDED as it might lead to unexpected behavior. As for prior art, there are many other examples where use of X and wildcards are not recommended. DNAME and wildcard domain names. SRV records and wildcard domain names. As for you 'precedence' statement, I fail to see how you come to the conclusion that relative send-n NAPTR RRSets have precedence over wildcards. Obviously, quite the reverse has been stated, in that these records SHOULD NOT be used with DNS wildcards. (i.e. if you have wildcards, you should not use these records). If you'd like to argue that this statement is too ambiguous, send Ray text to help him disambiguate the statement. Furthermore, if there is any evidence that an application use of existing DNS resource record types breaks Wildcard Domain Names or the processing of it, or undermines the DNS protocol, please bring it to the DNS Extensions WG. Thanks, Roy _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 26 02:33:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C233A6A1C; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:33:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE593A6A1C for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:33:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nxVR1R+-za+9 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaun.rfc1035.com (shaun.rfc1035.com [195.54.233.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2798D3A6905 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.54.233.69] (HELO gromit.rfc1035.com) by shaun.rfc1035.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.4) with ESMTP id 320270; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:33:31 +0100 Message-Id: <6526AC3D-67F5-4430-9C57-B205515F9314@rfc1035.com> From: Jim Reid To: Roy Arends In-Reply-To: <80B46A27-462C-4FB0-9218-B5AE37FE73B4@dnss.ec> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:33:31 +0100 References: <4860BE63.7020804@e164.org> <80B46A27-462C-4FB0-9218-B5AE37FE73B4@dnss.ec> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: enum@ietf.org, Duane Subject: [Enum] wildcards and n-send NAPTRs X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org On 26 Jun 2008, at 10:05, Roy Arends wrote: > As for prior art, there are many other examples where use of X and > wildcards are not recommended. DNAME and wildcard domain names. SRV > records and wildcard domain names. Roy, just because a few specialised RRtypes can't be used with wildcards doesn't mean others should follow in that path. Just because others are doing something bad/stupid/dangerous can't be an excuse for the same behaviour. You wouldn't drink Coors Light (say) simply because lots of other people drink that awful liquid, would you? We both know why the semantics of DNAME and SRV (not forgetting NS and SOA) make wildcarding these RRtypes more than inappropriate. None of them have that property because of what's in their RDATA. I am *very* uncomfortable that n-send's impact on wildcarding is dependent on the record type's RATA and would have hoped you were too. Even so, I can live with Ray's change of "MUST" to "SHOULD" here. It's still very ugly though. _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 26 02:42:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9187C3A69F7; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:42:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDA73A69F7 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:42:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fpn+Z0Wxtpqz for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.schlyter.se (trinitario.schlyter.se [195.47.254.10]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF433A692B for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.8.168] (unknown [81.255.110.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: roy) by mail.schlyter.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 381F62D57F; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:42:40 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: From: Roy Arends To: Jim Reid In-Reply-To: <6526AC3D-67F5-4430-9C57-B205515F9314@rfc1035.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:42:33 +0200 References: <4860BE63.7020804@e164.org> <80B46A27-462C-4FB0-9218-B5AE37FE73B4@dnss.ec> <6526AC3D-67F5-4430-9C57-B205515F9314@rfc1035.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: enum@ietf.org, Duane Subject: Re: [Enum] wildcards and n-send NAPTRs X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Jim Reid wrote: > On 26 Jun 2008, at 10:05, Roy Arends wrote: > >> As for prior art, there are many other examples where use of X and >> wildcards are not recommended. DNAME and wildcard domain names. SRV >> records and wildcard domain names. > > Roy, just because a few specialised RRtypes can't be used with > wildcards doesn't mean others should follow in that path. Just > because others are doing something bad/stupid/dangerous can't be an > excuse for the same behaviour. You wouldn't drink Coors Light (say) > simply because lots of other people drink that awful liquid, would > you? We both know why the semantics of DNAME and SRV (not forgetting > NS and SOA) make wildcarding these RRtypes more than inappropriate. > None of them have that property because of what's in their RDATA. I > am *very* uncomfortable that n-send's impact on wildcarding is > dependent on the record type's RATA and would have hoped you were too. > > Even so, I can live with Ray's change of "MUST" to "SHOULD" here. > It's still very ugly though. Jim, This is the typical dogma I see a lot: "I don't like Coors light, Harry doesn't like Coors light, Therefor, I don't want you, nor anyone else to drink Coors light." I'd like us to break these dogma's, and come up with proper technical arguments. Roy _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 26 03:06:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD43D3A6983; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:06:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479D43A690A for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:06:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f8Zb7ILI1o6e for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaun.rfc1035.com (shaun.rfc1035.com [195.54.233.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B038A3A6A65 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.54.233.69] (HELO gromit.rfc1035.com) by shaun.rfc1035.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.4) with ESMTP id 320292; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:06:01 +0100 Message-Id: <1DF70115-ED3F-4AEE-9235-DF90CD709FF5@rfc1035.com> From: Jim Reid To: Roy Arends In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:06:00 +0100 References: <4860BE63.7020804@e164.org> <80B46A27-462C-4FB0-9218-B5AE37FE73B4@dnss.ec> <6526AC3D-67F5-4430-9C57-B205515F9314@rfc1035.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: enum@ietf.org, Duane Subject: Re: [Enum] wildcards and n-send NAPTRs X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org On 26 Jun 2008, at 10:42, Roy Arends wrote: > I'd like us to .... come up with proper technical arguments. OK Roy. Could the proponents of n-send please explain why the semantics of wildcarding have to undergo further complication by making them conditional on the RDATA of an existing resource record? Not ony that, they're conditional on a subtype of the RDATA. This goes to the core of the stability of the DNS protocol. It's incumbent on those proposing this change to explain that it won't break anything or require yet more corner cases in wildcard handling/processing by servers, resolvers and end applications. Saying "we're doing this in private between consenting adults" is not an answer. Saying n-send SHOULD NOT use wildcards is all very well. But what if someone does do that? Even behind closed doors? What operational impact would that have? What sort of action would those DNS implementations need to take? Will it require extra code? If so, where? _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 26 04:10:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DB63A68CC; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:10:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F583A68CC for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:10:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XPHaK7zVAaO6 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131F33A6811 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:10:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=h904mbUZ/zfOXf9LpYTUb3GCyWr05a9cVWHn+W36+W8OREDP5szEFYeb Bx4jyTCDtotIm7Ts1Cpz5FoIjH5MztXjM1+WzaPTrpzBoC4VpW9mv2KT8 Txul/urMoyA+Roc; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214478658; x=1246014658; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Re:=20[Enum ]=20wildcards=20and=20n-send=20NAPTRs|Date:=20Thu,=2026 =20Jun=202008=2012:10:54=20+0100|Message-ID:=20|To:=20enum@ietf.org|MIME-Version:=201.0 |In-Reply-To:=20<1DF70115-ED3F-4AEE-9235-DF90CD709FF5@rfc 1035.com>|References:=20=0D=0A=09<4860BE 63.7020804@e164.org>=09<80B46A27-462C-4FB0-9218-B5AE37FE7 3B4@dnss.ec>=0D=0A=09<6526AC3D-67F5-4430-9C57-B205515F931 4@rfc1035.com>=09=20<1DF70115-ED3F-4AEE-9235-DF90CD709FF5@rfc1035.co m>; bh=QU64EtCm7V5OnMwBrD5gU/Go2VR2aBPU9M8RxT+xqbo=; b=q5tYBZAx+VgPscTscFPiAQK1oDk+zQEPNFHJjbI0S9HyQAMAmkw2k/CD fltX48h9Q7DkAZ9yfeN/2Q6tnv+zkllHdX1OCeuteOanFxmBkDvspBhj4 J5oq1CaVv2E40NE; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,708,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="2775018" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 26 Jun 2008 12:10:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1DF70115-ED3F-4AEE-9235-DF90CD709FF5@rfc1035.com> References: <4860BE63.7020804@e164.org> <80B46A27-462C-4FB0-9218-B5AE37FE73B4@dnss.ec> <6526AC3D-67F5-4430-9C57-B205515F9314@rfc1035.com> <1DF70115-ED3F-4AEE-9235-DF90CD709FF5@rfc1035.com> To: enum@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build VMac_Beta85_20080115_MM2 January 15, 2008 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:10:54 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 26/06/2008 12:10:56 PM, Serialize complete at 26/06/2008 12:10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Enum] wildcards and n-send NAPTRs X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > Could the proponents of n-send please explain why the semantics of > wildcarding have to undergo further complication by making them > conditional on the RDATA of an existing resource record? Not ony that, > they're conditional on a subtype of the RDATA. This goes to the core > of the stability of the DNS protocol. It's incumbent on those > proposing this change to explain that it won't break anything or > require yet more corner cases in wildcard handling/processing by > servers, resolvers and end applications. Saying "we're doing this in > private between consenting adults" is not an answer. I'm not proposing (IMO) any changes to the semantics of wildcarding. The use of Send-N in wildcards neither imposes nor requires any changes in wildcard handling in any DNS server, resolver, or application. > Saying n-send SHOULD NOT use wildcards is all very well. But what if > someone does do that? Even behind closed doors? What operational > impact would that have? What sort of action would those DNS > implementations need to take? Will it require extra code? If so, where? As per the draft, the worst case if someone published a Send-N record in an I-ENUM tree that was incorrectly high is that it might result in the numbers covered by that record not being reachable. That's true even if wildcards aren't used, and irrespective of whether this is a NAPTR record, some other RR-type, or **any** other sort of Send-N database (whether real-time or hard-wired). This *is* a risk, but it's along the same lines as any other misconfiguration of DNS data - "don't do it". The only reason that wildcards are an issue is because a relative-form Send-N record in a wildcard could result in the ENUM client repeatedly continuing to expect more dialled digits until the 15 digit E.164 maximum is reached. In effect, a relative-form record in a wildcard is automatically "incorrectly high". The only place any code is required is in ENUM clients, but only in those that specifically want to support Send-N, such as I-ENUM enabled switches. As far as any DNS server is concerned, it's just another NAPTR record. 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Feather" To: Jim Reid Message-ID: <20080627122443.GA99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] switches and send-n NAPTRs X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Jim Reid said: >> The particular application where this has real use is standard POTS phones >> sending DTMF into a switch that uses ENUM-like technology to route the >> call onwards. > Eh? Why would such a beast need send-n NAPTRs? To determine how many digits to collect before querying the database again. See section 1 of the I-D. > Where are the > requirements and how can this WG assess whether send-n meets those > requirements? The requirements are explained in section 1 of the I-D, particularly paragraphs 2 and 3. > I would have assumed switches would have a priori > knowledge of the prevailing numbering/routing plan irrespective of > whether they used ENUM-like technology. To the best of my knowledge, *NOBODY* has a priori knowledge of the whole UK numbering/routeing plan. This explicitly includes the Regulator. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 05:33:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935963A68BA; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374653A68CB for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.995 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.995 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.603, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hv1V6G-sbdRu for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A673A68BA for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m5RCXedt000105Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:33:40 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KCD8z-0000Zw-00; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:33:37 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:33:37 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Jim Reid Message-ID: <20080627123337.GB99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <4860BE63.7020804@e164.org> <80B46A27-462C-4FB0-9218-B5AE37FE73B4@dnss.ec> <6526AC3D-67F5-4430-9C57-B205515F9314@rfc1035.com> <1DF70115-ED3F-4AEE-9235-DF90CD709FF5@rfc1035.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1DF70115-ED3F-4AEE-9235-DF90CD709FF5@rfc1035.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: enum@ietf.org, Roy Arends , Duane Subject: Re: [Enum] wildcards and n-send NAPTRs X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Jim Reid said: > Could the proponents of n-send please explain why the semantics of > wildcarding have to undergo further complication by making them > conditional on the RDATA of an existing resource record? They don't. No change to the semantics of wildcarding is being proposed. > Not ony that, > they're conditional on a subtype of the RDATA. This goes to the core > of the stability of the DNS protocol. It's incumbent on those > proposing this change to explain that it won't break anything or > require yet more corner cases in wildcard handling/processing by > servers, resolvers and end applications. Saying "we're doing this in > private between consenting adults" is not an answer. If an application is not specifically interpreting SEND-N (and this includes all DNS servers and anything other than an overlap-dialling switch), then these records have no effect on that application. > Saying n-send SHOULD NOT use wildcards is all very well. But what if > someone does do that? Even behind closed doors? What operational > impact would that have? What sort of action would those DNS > implementations need to take? Will it require extra code? If so, where? The DNS implementation? Nothing. The specific application interpreting SEND-N records needs to take a teeny-weeny bit of care. A wildcard record like: * IN NAPTR ( 100 10 "u" "E2U+pstndata:send-n" "!.*!pstndata:send-n/2!" . ) is in effect an infinite loop: it tells the application to fetch 2 more digits and then query again, whereupon it hits the same record again (assuming there isn't an explicit record there as well that overrides it). The application therefore needs to have some kind of loop detection and limit, whether testing for wildcard records, putting a limit on the number of dialled digits, putting a limit on the number of SEND-N records it reads for a single call attempt, or whatever. [Ray: you could perhaps put in a usage note to that effect.] But anyone else reading those records *will not be affected* as far as I can see. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 05:40:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87073A68FE; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:40:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BBC3A68B3 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:40:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k6J3e44nTJJW for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsys002x.roke.co.uk (rsys002x.roke.co.uk [193.118.201.109]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6333A67F5 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsys005a.comm.ad.roke.co.uk (rsys005a [193.118.193.85]) by rsys002x.roke.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5RCePOW024266; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:40:27 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([193.118.192.66]) by rsys005a.comm.ad.roke.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:40:25 +0100 Message-Id: <014261A5-C597-423E-8E15-696E99B40E12@insensate.co.uk> From: Lawrence Conroy To: "Clive D.W. Feather" In-Reply-To: <20080627122443.GA99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:40:24 +0100 References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627122443.GA99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2008 12:40:25.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8B74F60:01C8D852] X-roke-co-uk-MailScanner-ID: m5RCePOW024266 X-MailScanner-roke-co-uk: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-roke-co-uk-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: lconroy@insensate.co.uk Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org, Jim Reid Subject: Re: [Enum] switches and send-n NAPTRs X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Hi Clive, folks, You combined numbering and routing - do you assert that these are identical? If you imply that the regulator does not know about the current service provider for any given number, they you should say that - it is not my understanding of the term "number plan" and may not be understood that way by others. all the best, Lawrence On 27 Jun 2008, at 13:24, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > To the best of my knowledge, *NOBODY* has a priori knowledge of the > whole UK > numbering/routeing plan. This explicitly includes the Regulator. _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 05:43:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CF03A6921; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:43:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C2E3A6921 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:42:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.402, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ylMNyMQ5EhBy for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F3D3A67F5 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m5RCh0n3011354Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:43:00 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KCDI4-0000kx-00; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:43:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:43:00 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Duane Message-ID: <20080627124300.GC99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <4860099B.4060304@e164.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4860099B.4060304@e164.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Duane said: > What's there to comment on, the same problem still exists as in 00, you > break wild card records I still don't understand what gets "broken". > and as such you will get disparity between > countries. You say that some countries use wildcards. Fine; let them continue to do so. The UK using SEND-N won't break this, or vice versa. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 05:45:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11643A699D; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:45:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24243A698A for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:45:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.14 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.144, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_MILLIONSOF=0.315] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qmR3QSOjG5ZQ for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1793A6932 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m5RCjCTH013866Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:45:12 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KCDKB-0000r9-00; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:45:11 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:45:11 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Brian Rosen Message-ID: <20080627124511.GD99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Brian Rosen said: > I still have my objection to the basic notion that the base enum query is > the right way to determine how many digits are needed to route. I think > that information is static, It's not *that* static, particularly in some countries. > and we need a standardized way to find it out, Right. > and send-n is not the right way to do that. Then what is? Preferably without *adding* to the number of lookups required when the "standardized method" isn't in place. > I think overlapped dialing is > going away, Why on earth? There are hundreds of millions of devices that do overlapped dialling, and they aren't going to be replaced any time soon. > and devices need to be told how many digits to collect before > pressing "SEND" or the equivalent. Where's '"SEND" or the equivalent' on my home phone? -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 05:48:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4AC3A697F; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:48:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C20C3A697F for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:48:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.273, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0IGhIhQ3aOwi for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2690D3A67F5 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m5RCmx6b017260Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:48:59 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KCDNq-0000up-00; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:48:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:48:58 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Brian Rosen Message-ID: <20080627124858.GE99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Brian Rosen said: > The solution to the looking forward problem is easily applied to the looking > backward problem. What is the "solution to the looking forward problem"? > If the proxy controlling the dialing for an old device has access to the > same data the new device that is controlling the dialing has, then the > problem is solved. What data? The problem is that the devices don't have this data. > The send-n solution isn't applicable to a device with a SEND button in a > sensible way. Agreed. A device with a SEND button either gets the right length given to it *by the user* or it doesn't. So what? -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 05:52:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684DD3A691B; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:52:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B1D3A691B for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:52:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.372 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.372 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.227, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p0Zs6SsLX1dX for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63FD3A68B3 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m5RCqDiP020307Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:52:13 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KCDQz-0000zh-00; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:52:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:52:13 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Brian Rosen Message-ID: <20080627125213.GF99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Brian Rosen said: > Implement something else (i.e. a client to another database which has length > information) in the same server. > > It's possible that we'll decide the protocol for this new database is DNS. And if we do decide this, it ought to minimize the number of DNS lookups. Which means returning NAPTR records. > I have no opinion on that yet. I have an opinion that we should have a > database with length information that all services, and all devices, can > make use of. Send-n is too limited, in my opinion. What doesn't it do that your proposed new protocol would do? -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 05:56:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76A43A6A4B; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:56:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417663A69EB for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:56:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.404 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.404 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.195, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vVlhFFmrZ6d7 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E5A3A6A4B for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m5RCv1hk024749Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:57:01 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KCDVd-00012u-00; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:57:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:57:01 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Lawrence Conroy Message-ID: <20080627125701.GG99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627122443.GA99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <014261A5-C597-423E-8E15-696E99B40E12@insensate.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <014261A5-C597-423E-8E15-696E99B40E12@insensate.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org, Jim Reid Subject: Re: [Enum] switches and send-n NAPTRs X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Lawrence Conroy said: > You combined numbering and routing - do you assert that these are > identical? No. I actually meant "numbering", but I was deliberately copying the phrasing of the previous message, which said "numbering/routeing". The "full ENUM records" contain routeing information in some form, but these records aren't intended to. > If you imply that the regulator does not know about the current > service provider > for any given number, they you should say that - it is not my > understanding of > the term "number plan" and may not be understood that way by others. No, that's not what I mean (though I'm not convinced of that either). Very simply, there are number blocks where we know the CP they are assigned to, but we don't know the length of numbers in that block (and, indeed, different numbers in the block may have different lengths). However, even if Ofcom's records were perfect, the arrangements are too complicated to be represented in a simple table *and* change from time to time. Given how hard it is to get some overseas operators to even understand that not all UK numbers begin with 01, any kind of fixed table that has to be distributed is completely impractical. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 05:58:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD353A6A5F; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:58:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923853A6A5F for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:58:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mKswd4T92mIk for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaun.rfc1035.com (shaun.rfc1035.com [195.54.233.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0527A3A69EB for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.54.233.69] (HELO gromit.rfc1035.com) by shaun.rfc1035.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.4) with ESMTP id 320385 for enum@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:58:55 +0100 Message-Id: From: Jim Reid To: IETF ENUM WG In-Reply-To: <20080627123337.GB99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:58:55 +0100 References: <4860BE63.7020804@e164.org> <80B46A27-462C-4FB0-9218-B5AE37FE73B4@dnss.ec> <6526AC3D-67F5-4430-9C57-B205515F9314@rfc1035.com> <1DF70115-ED3F-4AEE-9235-DF90CD709FF5@rfc1035.com> <20080627123337.GB99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Subject: Re: [Enum] wildcards and n-send NAPTRs X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org On 27 Jun 2008, at 13:33, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > No change to the semantics of wildcarding is being proposed. Sorry Clive, you're wrong. There are. The draft makes wildcard processing conditional on the RDATA that's in one of these nsend NAPTRs. This *is* a change in semantics and the consequences of that have still to be worked through. You even go on to concede the semantics are changed by pointing out a corner case where a badly structured nsend NAPTR causes an infinite loop. Now it's one thing having applications playing in this nsend world perform loop detection. [How? And where is this documented?] But are there scenarios where name servers, espeically full service resolvers, could end up having to do loop detection? Some further analysis is required. IMO, the proponents of nsend need to do that work and convince this WG and dnsop that there is no impact on either the DNS protocol or implementations. It's all very well for the draft to say nsend SHOULD NOT be used with wildcards. But it really has to say something about what happens if/ when that advice is not followed. _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 06:27:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8253A6900; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:27:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69C03A6900 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z4aoyhRxYBbw for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.nominet.org.uk (mx3.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825753A68EA for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:27:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=Q9dgcSwQHWAEdFg6Rbrmfegmq3Cy6ZX8k7Ja9eGRA0sVwLgvHTGfJ8I9 cx+F9JcQ+jgFb27YbC6bc6Qke9uDaEGJRsts/ll83RNKIwe4Q2gwoFeAw YloIs9Nx07Ero3b; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214573247; x=1246109247; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Re:=20[Enum ]=20wildcards=20and=20n-send=20NAPTRs|Date:=20Fri,=2027 =20Jun=202008=2014:27:24=20+0100|Message-ID:=20|To:=20enum@ietf.org|MIME-Version:=201.0 |In-Reply-To:=20|References:=20=0D=0A=09<4860BE 63.7020804@e164.org>=09<80B46A27-462C-4FB0-9218-B5AE37FE7 3B4@dnss.ec>=0D=0A=09<6526AC3D-67F5-4430-9C57-B205515F931 4@rfc1035.com>=09=0D=0A=09<1DF70115-ED3F-4AEE-9235-DF90CD709FF5@rfc1 035.com>=09<20080627123337.GB99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net >=20; bh=/wIaBR2k136bHlVmhUbg6MUgGuPDglrUe/d+wcPEPik=; b=yf13SrnkoI3/+g9PXtpv8/ko/D2tpjUW7XFw6ML80x6eKO9Shc/oCCOu HbrjEYaTbEDEQTAAY7uVxCU1TAZ/MsT5wBithMru8V7j/CjnZ3fIn5cRj 2K3U0KV52nPsuli; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,715,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="4534861" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2008 14:27:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <4860BE63.7020804@e164.org> <80B46A27-462C-4FB0-9218-B5AE37FE73B4@dnss.ec> <6526AC3D-67F5-4430-9C57-B205515F9314@rfc1035.com> <1DF70115-ED3F-4AEE-9235-DF90CD709FF5@rfc1035.com> <20080627123337.GB99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> To: enum@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build VMac_Beta85_20080115_MM2 January 15, 2008 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:27:24 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 27/06/2008 02:27:25 PM, Serialize complete at 27/06/2008 02:27:25 PM Subject: Re: [Enum] wildcards and n-send NAPTRs X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > Sorry Clive, you're wrong. There are. The draft makes wildcard > processing conditional on the RDATA that's in one of these nsend > NAPTRs. This *is* a change in semantics and the consequences of that > have still to be worked through. You even go on to concede the > semantics are changed by pointing out a corner case where a badly > structured nsend NAPTR causes an infinite loop. To clarify, it's our belief that the semantics of wildcards w.r.t standard DNS clients and servers are not changed by this one iota. As per my message yesterday, and one of Clive's today, the only thing that changes is the ENUM client code, and then only in those clients that need to support overlapped-dialing via Send-N. > Now it's one thing having applications playing in this nsend world > perform loop detection. [How? And where is this documented?] I'll look at including a more detail description of the Send-N algorithm than is currently in Section 5. In practise there wouldn't actually be an infinite loop because E.164 numbers can't exceed 15 digits. > But are there scenarios where name servers, espeically full service resolvers, > could end up having to do loop detection? No, there are not, IMO. I don't believe that I can *prove* that's the case, but I know that I cannot think of any such scenario. Nor can our in-house DNS gurus. If anyone *can* think of an example please let me know. These are *just* RRs after all. All the DNS server has to do is serve them, using the existing rules. > Some further analysis is required. IMO, the proponents of nsend need > to do that work and convince this WG and dnsop that there is no impact > on either the DNS protocol or implementations. My experts say it doesn't - I'm happy to ask Peter and Rob for second opinions. > It's all very well for the draft to say nsend SHOULD NOT be used with > wildcards. But it really has to say something about what happens if/ > when that advice is not followed. It does - but I'll try and make it clearer. Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 07:04:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F903A68AD; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:04:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB54F3A68AD for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:03:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.408 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.408 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.124, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MILLIONSOF=0.315] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DUyTL0UTFb7U for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ebru.winwebhosting.com (ebru.winwebhosting.com [74.55.202.130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19693A685D for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neustargw.va.neustar.com ([209.173.53.233] helo=BROSLT61xp) by ebru.winwebhosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCEYN-0005Tq-QX; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:03:56 -0500 From: "Brian Rosen" To: "'Clive D.W. Feather'" References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627124511.GD99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:03:56 -0400 Message-ID: <171b01c8d85e$a5d4a0c0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20080627124511.GD99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjYU6RGS5GAjlmrSsWRLdZA61IMWwAAPLMg X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ebru.winwebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianrosen.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Read the thread. What you want is a dial plan. Fine, we should standardize a way to get a dial plan for every TN. In nearly every case, that comes from the regulator. There are conditions where what you get from the regulator is a dial plan that determines the end of a "prefix" and you have to go somewhere else to get the rest of the dial plan. Fine, we can do that. 99% of the telephone numbers in the world have a pretty simple dial plan. That's the case we should optimize. Overlapped dialing decoding is walking through a dial plan. We should provide the means to do that. All of the hundreds of millions of phones you are talking about work fine without Send-N. They have the dial plan for the home country burnt into the switch, and they use a time out for international numbers. There is value in improving the dialing experience of everyone, but not so much that we need make it really optimal. You have brought us a problem I think is worth solving: determining dial plans for international numbers. I don't like your solution, but I'm happy to work on the problem. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Clive D.W. Feather [mailto:clive@demon.net] > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:45 AM > To: Brian Rosen > Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; enum@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published > > Brian Rosen said: > > I still have my objection to the basic notion that the base enum query > is > > the right way to determine how many digits are needed to route. I think > > that information is static, > > It's not *that* static, particularly in some countries. > > > and we need a standardized way to find it out, > > Right. > > > and send-n is not the right way to do that. > > Then what is? Preferably without *adding* to the number of lookups > required > when the "standardized method" isn't in place. > > > I think overlapped dialing is > > going away, > > Why on earth? There are hundreds of millions of devices that do overlapped > dialling, and they aren't going to be replaced any time soon. > > > and devices need to be told how many digits to collect before > > pressing "SEND" or the equivalent. > > Where's '"SEND" or the equivalent' on my home phone? > > -- > Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 > 6138 > Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 > 9937 > Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 > THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 07:05:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906C43A6A01; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:05:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795223A69AD for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:05:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03fWLfBft8E7 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.aus-biz.com (mail.aus-biz.com [208.82.100.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DB33A69E5 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.100.244] (dsl-48-19.qld1.net.au [125.168.48.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.aus-biz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D2E09FF26D; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:05:26 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4864F389.7070306@e164.org> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:04:57 +1000 From: Duane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Clive D.W. Feather" References: <4860099B.4060304@e164.org> <20080627124300.GC99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> In-Reply-To: <20080627124300.GC99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > Duane said: >> What's there to comment on, the same problem still exists as in 00, you >> break wild card records > > I still don't understand what gets "broken". It gets 'broken' because send-n will interfere with wild card records because in most case the most specific record should take preference. >> and as such you will get disparity between >> countries. > > You say that some countries use wildcards. Fine; let them continue to do > so. The UK using SEND-N won't break this, or vice versa. Why does such a case need ratification for if there is only going to be a small subset of private users taking advantage of it? If there is only going to be private users let them sort it out amongst themselves as to what they are going to do rather then coming up with half baked ideas that break existing dns types. If on the other hand this is supposed to be useful for the wider internet community than some other method would still be needed not to break dns types, otherwise why bother with the standardisation process if you already have it stuck in your head this is the one true way and no one can tell you any differently? -- Best regards, Duane _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 07:11:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EA63A69AD; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:11:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2103A69AD for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:11:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VET8WauzZvoe for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.aus-biz.com (mail.aus-biz.com [208.82.100.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BDA3A6957 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.100.244] (dsl-48-19.qld1.net.au [125.168.48.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.aus-biz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3BB9BFF26D; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:11:48 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4864F50A.40903@e164.org> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:11:22 +1000 From: Duane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Rosen References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627124511.GD99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <171b01c8d85e$a5d4a0c0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> In-Reply-To: <171b01c8d85e$a5d4a0c0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org, "'Clive D.W. Feather'" Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Brian Rosen wrote: > There is value in improving the dialing experience of everyone, but not so > much that we need make it really optimal. You have brought us a problem I > think is worth solving: determining dial plans for international numbers. I > don't like your solution, but I'm happy to work on the problem. Pretty sure this has been pointed out before, but their idea also manages to break ENUM RFCs with respect to sending the complete number, in most cases maybe they will since as you point out most numbers follow simple dial plans, however for corner cases they will send repeated requests. -- Best regards, Duane _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 07:17:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15F83A6A3D; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:17:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7139C3A6A3D for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:17:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HE5eFpNi4DeX for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ebru.winwebhosting.com (ebru.winwebhosting.com [74.55.202.130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A347E3A6A31 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neustargw.va.neustar.com ([209.173.53.233] helo=BROSLT61xp) by ebru.winwebhosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCElJ-00060n-Gt; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:17:17 -0500 From: "Brian Rosen" To: "'Clive D.W. Feather'" References: <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627125213.GF99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:17:18 -0400 Message-ID: <172201c8d860$8391f560$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20080627125213.GF99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjYVJ1rZF39Wg9ES523xT5i0tMR1wACs1Xw X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ebru.winwebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianrosen.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > > I have no opinion on that yet. I have an opinion that we should have a > > database with length information that all services, and all devices, can > > make use of. Send-n is too limited, in my opinion. > > What doesn't it do that your proposed new protocol would do? It doesn't give you the dial plan. It tells you how many digits are needed to be collected until you get to the next step in the dial plan. We have a language to describe dial plans. See MGCP or Megaco's digit map. We don't need to use that language, but it's representative of the kind of information a dial plan has. I want something that determines the shape of the enum tree. I need that even before I create the tree. The authoritative source for the information is typically the regulator. Today, it's typically published as a Word document by the ITU. I want to set up a mechanism for the regulator, or someone operating on its behalf, publishes the data that currently is published in that Word document as a database anyone, including the enum operator, can use. The way I want to use the data for a next generation phone is to download something like the MGCP dial plan when an international number is dialed, so the user can see/hear/feel, via a GUI, when they have a good number. I want to not even send one DNS query to ENUM unless I have a good number. Brian _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 07:18:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C59C3A6A31; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F8F3A6A73 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:18:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.442 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.442 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.158, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_MILLIONSOF=0.315] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OI6LvUBU9noQ for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DAB3A69E5 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:18:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Cc: Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date: X-MIMETrack:Content-Type; b=TJZGFpL6v3x4NijR8Jyb1C7UhCfZ2rDFdOEZ6TB5dgOjrwsB+0A0vU6O ZnGxmz4GjT8X7o09bfO4Uj0+N5VzbWKcc4fAxL9gMQaKnlQWu4AN4gYbI RMr8FdrA91VQX/S; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214576316; x=1246112316; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20RE:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Fri,=2027=20Jun=202008=2015:18:33=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20"Brian=20Rosen"=20 |Cc:=20enum@ietf.org|MIME-Version:=201 .0|In-Reply-To:=20<171b01c8d85e$a5d4a0c0$bf320446@cis.neu star.com>|References:=20=20<124501c8d60c $4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com>=20<20080627124511.GD9 9368@finch-staff-1.thus.net>=20<171b01c8d85e$a5d4a0c0$bf3 20446@cis.neustar.com>; bh=mvilJV/+j9+PbkzH2TyVigZbG3o5msaZjxIkgSnVsAQ=; b=Xk9s8MTsGRr0T4fGVxn7h1faZwy44s/zsHe4uCZwGvfBQTb14j6PGIP6 ky5Or/ppHDjPtKDeeImNz1vWbmnlzwfcAlz/N7Ky6k0Zlidez0P0Bn2Wn BXOWjmyJfNciD4s; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,715,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="3748560" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2008 15:18:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <171b01c8d85e$a5d4a0c0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627124511.GD99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <171b01c8d85e$a5d4a0c0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> To: "Brian Rosen" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build VMac_Beta85_20080115_MM2 January 15, 2008 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:18:33 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 27/06/2008 03:18:34 PM, Serialize complete at 27/06/2008 03:18:34 PM Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > What you want is a dial plan. Fine, we should standardize a way to get a > dial plan for every TN. In nearly every case, that comes from the > regulator. There are conditions where what you get from the regulator is a > dial plan that determines the end of a "prefix" and you have to go somewhere > else to get the rest of the dial plan. Fine, we can do that. > > 99% of the telephone numbers in the world have a pretty simple dial plan. > That's the case we should optimize. I don't believe it's as simple as you say. The UK dial plan alone contains 1000s of entries. Germany's is another 100+. > Overlapped dialing decoding is walking through a dial plan. We should > provide the means to do that. All of the hundreds of millions of phones you > are talking about work fine without Send-N. But those existing phones are connected to switches that *do* use Send-N in C7 (which of course is what this is named after). > They have the dial plan for the home country burnt into the switch, and they use > a time out for international numbers. The large number of dial plan entries for the UK means that for some number ranges (in particular +44800) they're having to use inter-digit timeouts, and they're not happy about it. The UK carriers are therefore actively trying *not* to have the UK dial plan burnt into their switches, and this is the proposed implementation. > There is value in improving the dialing experience of everyone, but not so > much that we need make it really optimal. The carriers consider any use of time outs to be unacceptably sub-optimal. Our proposal avoids them completely. > You have brought us a problem I > think is worth solving: determining dial plans for international numbers. I > don't like your solution, but I'm happy to work on the problem. The more the merrier :) cheers, Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 07:22:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D8C3A6997; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:22:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220713A6A5A for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:22:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.586 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UH7dnbkaxuu7 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4263A681E for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:22:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=rKKp08tkJBCEX3Xf265USkXS75jhqWmdZAd/1rcC8bmYSsMRE1d6t8GX cevQpip9KvnvnZKAleaF2a2q9CoDUACuBwaaCBqRG5xjDpmqosaOLgoMo OpgwFsIe9Ve6OMl; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214576573; x=1246112573; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20RE:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Fri,=2027=20Jun=202008=2015:22:51=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20enum@ietf.org |MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<172201c8d860$8391f56 0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com>|References:=20=20<125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com>=20< OF3161F4AA.CA5015C2-ON80257472.0058698D-80257472.0058E2F0 @nominet.org.uk>=20<126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.ne ustar.com>=20<20080627125213.GF99368@finch-staff-1.thus.n et>=20<172201c8d860$8391f560$bf320446@cis.neustar.com>; bh=b7XwXN84gpFRbUM3RI7jHujZGixLgnyWMZZh8Oi/YA0=; b=WhcLgPNpqMGdymVo/7ZuM6qCmhJL6LBovPrrSKIL2R9h+IgVccxZEnV1 Djn0dS8wH1WIedcQoBy2h9JmgkUignxM8rsgPjK5S1aqbTOiX9Kl7hQNi eHlYv6vAPEX67/M; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,715,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="3748624" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2008 15:22:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: <172201c8d860$8391f560$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> References: <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627125213.GF99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <172201c8d860$8391f560$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> To: enum@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build VMac_Beta85_20080115_MM2 January 15, 2008 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:22:51 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 27/06/2008 03:22:50 PM, Serialize complete at 27/06/2008 03:22:50 PM Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > I want something that determines the shape of the enum tree. I need that > even before I create the tree. Actually in the UK implementation it's the shape of the tree that generates the Send-N data. The ENUM tree is (de-facto) whatever shape the dial plan is. If the ENUM tree is sparse, that's fine. The ENUM client in the switch will get an NXDOMAIN and give an NU tone. There's no need (IMO) for it to be the other way around. > The way I want to use the data for a next generation phone is to download > something like the MGCP dial plan when an international number is dialed, so > the user can see/hear/feel, via a GUI, when they have a good number. I want > to not even send one DNS query to ENUM unless I have a good number. This is of primary use for dumb phones (i.e. without GUIs) talking to smart switches. Smart phones don't need Send-N. Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 07:34:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DE13A699A; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:34:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E243A699A for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:34:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.587 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.587 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qiAdCZOgIUWP for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E1E3A6861 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:34:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=l1f70tmOdhgTQQ/UEfc29qv0dq4+JQZlEsTj6e1v4t7QnhYdxljA0Las 9xA8CFSSB/Ip8kKtYwWvKoeMI5A9NyY2QB98C0yXoIm2fZHgMXfHg0Mr4 7kUjLJV+2NF5bFU; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214577290; x=1246113290; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Re:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Fri,=2027=20Jun=202008=2015:34:48=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20enum@ietf.org |MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<4864F389.7070306@e16 4.org>|References:=20=0D=0A=09<4860099B. 4060304@e164.org>=09<20080627124300.GC99368@finch-staff-1 .thus.net>=20<4864F389.7070306@e164.org>; bh=8uwxVi3wm9rDc6Xg2cHQ5vqRjgaDQdopQ/Iy3JTbfTQ=; b=rtQ2B7Td+VloS+1RL9xYDkdCsvW6r/BLRSiykQ27I4ASUotOYObbDSly YVHCWBmHJYoW68Gvg2WRciG+HSJjqnhhkBPbacblRZElUQzsC5JlJmiUb UFN+GXYoyETcnSw; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,715,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="3748877" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2008 15:34:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4864F389.7070306@e164.org> References: <4860099B.4060304@e164.org> <20080627124300.GC99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <4864F389.7070306@e164.org> To: enum@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build VMac_Beta85_20080115_MM2 January 15, 2008 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:34:48 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 27/06/2008 03:34:49 PM, Serialize complete at 27/06/2008 03:34:49 PM Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Duane wrote: > It gets 'broken' because send-n will interfere with wild card records > because in most case the most specific record should take preference. I still don't understand your objection. If a specific record over-rides a wildcard containing a Send-N record, so what?! That just means that the switch implementing Send-N will keep on asking for digits (one at a time) until the full number is found[*] Can you provide an actual example zone showing how this doesn't work? Ray [*] Yes, I know looking up partial numbers breaks Section 2 of RFC3761. However IMHO that paragraph is unnecessarily restrictive because nothing ever actually breaks if that "rule" is broken. This is unfortunately a necessary step if overlapped dialling is ever to work in I-ENUM. _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 07:38:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918313A69B1; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:38:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6E03A698B for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:38:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TqKPIkI4DDEd for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.aus-biz.com (mail.aus-biz.com [208.82.100.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466983A68F7 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.100.244] (dsl-48-19.qld1.net.au [125.168.48.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.aus-biz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 09D60FF26D; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:38:12 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4864FB39.7040805@e164.org> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:37:45 +1000 From: Duane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk References: <4860099B.4060304@e164.org> <20080627124300.GC99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <4864F389.7070306@e164.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk wrote: > Duane wrote: >> It gets 'broken' because send-n will interfere with wild card records >> because in most case the most specific record should take preference. > > I still don't understand your objection. > > If a specific record over-rides a wildcard containing a Send-N record, so > what?! > > That just means that the switch implementing Send-N will keep on asking > for digits (one at a time) until the full number is found[*] > > Can you provide an actual example zone showing how this doesn't work? ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. IN NAPTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. 60 IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U+SIP" "!^\\+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\\1@freenum.sip.telecomplete.net!" . 9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. 60 IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U+SIP" "!^\\+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\\1@selfnet.at!" . 9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. 60 IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U+SIP" "!^\\+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\\1@public.sip.magrathea.net!" . As per my last email you are also breaking ENUM RFCs, not just DNS ones. -- Best regards, Duane _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 07:44:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180993A6B04; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:44:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E5D3A6B16 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:44:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L5DBH7Tgfowf for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.aus-biz.com (mail.aus-biz.com [208.82.100.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8A43A6B13 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.100.244] (dsl-48-19.qld1.net.au [125.168.48.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.aus-biz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 88630FF26D; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:44:10 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4864FC9F.2050206@e164.org> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:43:43 +1000 From: Duane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Rosen References: <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627125213.GF99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <172201c8d860$8391f560$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> In-Reply-To: <172201c8d860$8391f560$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org, "'Clive D.W. Feather'" Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Brian Rosen wrote: > I want something that determines the shape of the enum tree. I need that > even before I create the tree. The authoritative source for the information > is typically the regulator. Today, it's typically published as a Word > document by the ITU. I want to set up a mechanism for the regulator, or > someone operating on its behalf, publishes the data that currently is > published in that Word document as a database anyone, including the enum > operator, can use. > > The way I want to use the data for a next generation phone is to download > something like the MGCP dial plan when an international number is dialed, so > the user can see/hear/feel, via a GUI, when they have a good number. I want > to not even send one DNS query to ENUM unless I have a good number. Sounds very BGPish or some other routing protocol, where the routing information is 'pushed' out to the wider community so everyone gets a complete view rather than relying on DNS for updates. This way updates could be pushed out to these smart switches in real time rather than sending packet after packet to get dribs and drabs of DNS information at a time. Taking a routing approach seems more logical to me simply because this would be a lot more efficient lookup, ram is cheap and processing it locally would certainly reduce load on central systems etc. -- Best regards, Duane _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 07:53:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A82B3A6B19; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:53:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1950A3A6B19 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:53:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_BLUEYON=1.4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mPjf82c12voe for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72C23A6B07 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KCFKa-0006xn-UC for enum@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:53:44 +0100 Received: from [77.103.38.46] (helo=games-with-brains.net) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KCFKZ-00050d-KI for enum@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:53:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.123.46] (unknown [192.168.123.254]) by games-with-brains.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A5519C941B for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:56:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <29931698-22BE-4764-8DC3-6C12BF526FA7@games-with-brains.com> From: Eleanor McHugh To: enum@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20080627125213.GF99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:53:42 +0100 References: <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627125213.GF99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org On 27 Jun 2008, at 13:52, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > Brian Rosen said: >> Implement something else (i.e. a client to another database which >> has length >> information) in the same server. >> >> It's possible that we'll decide the protocol for this new database >> is DNS. > > And if we do decide this, it ought to minimize the number of DNS > lookups. > Which means returning NAPTR records. It's not entirely obvious that using NAPTR records this way would result in any fewer DNS lookups than by providing a new RR type. Either way the zone record still needs to be loaded, and with a request for NAPTRs the client could in theory get a larger data set back which would then need to be processed locally: probably a trivial cost, but still a consideration for implementers. Also in terms of the actual usage, one question does arise: what happens if a send-n NAPTR is provisioned as an NTN? Given the restriction to digits only beneath .e164.arpa, it's hard to think of a use case where that NTN could possibly point to a meaningful target without leading outside of the ENUM hierarchy. This then leads me to consider an obvious cache poisoning attack where: IN NAPTR 100 10 "u" "E2U+pstndata:send-n" "!.*!pstndata:send-n/=11!" . is replaced with: IN NAPTR 100 10 "u" "E2U+pstndata:send-n" "" call.capture.arbitrary.tld or IN NAPTR 100 10 "u" "E2U+pstndata:send-n" "" [premium rate number].e164.arpa and the call is funnelled off elsewhere. This is obviously at a tangent to the main point of the current discussion, but unless you can think of a good NTN use case with send-n they should probably be explicitly forbidden. >> I have no opinion on that yet. I have an opinion that we should >> have a >> database with length information that all services, and all >> devices, can >> make use of. Send-n is too limited, in my opinion. > > What doesn't it do that your proposed new protocol would do? You've identified an interesting problem: how to validate the depth/ shape of namespace tree branches allowed given an intermediary point on that tree. A general case solution using a new RR type could be useful in places other than just ENUM, and if that's the case your send-n proposal will either lead to the proliferation of copycat solutions in other hierarchies or else be an evolutionary dead-end when an RR does get defined. Therefore you have nothing to lose by proposing an appropriate RR in the first place. Ellie Eleanor McHugh Games With Brains http://slides.games-with-brains.net ---- raise ArgumentError unless @reality.responds_to? :reason _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 08:05:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369203A6B29; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:05:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74B83A6B1F for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:04:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.116, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MILLIONSOF=0.315] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uRFFWd9yUWX6 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ebru.winwebhosting.com (ebru.winwebhosting.com [74.55.202.130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02783A68E8 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neustargw.va.neustar.com ([209.173.53.233] helo=BROSLT61xp) by ebru.winwebhosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCFVS-0008Bz-Jh; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:04:58 -0500 From: "Brian Rosen" To: References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627124511.GD99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <171b01c8d85e$a5d4a0c0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:04:59 -0400 Message-ID: <173e01c8d867$2ccad2e0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjYYK66cyiCESfOQ2W2rmtALVAZ+wAAOzww X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ebru.winwebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianrosen.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org 1000 entries in a database is laughably small. Downloading it to a phone as the country code is dialed is even easy (although I suspect you wouldn't do that to a wireless phone with current data rates, you might with 4G data rates). Here is a more or less concrete proposal: The regulator publishes, in the existing ITU document, a URI of its current dial plan. The URI yields an XML data structure that looks like: ... ... The operators do the same with codes that are different min/max in the regulators data. So, let's say there was an assignment like Then BT may have ... ... Which means that +445678981232 is a good TN. Now, that's quite verbose. It would be very simple to turn that data into an MGCP digitmap, or a Finite State Machine algorithm, or some really compact binary tree thingy that encoded the same information in far fewer bits. I chose the XML because it closely represents the form the data is now provided. Any other simple to understand form would be fine. What is important to me is that it be something the authoritative source of the data can reasonably publish, and that it work for the cases which are easy as well as the cases that are hard, using one of my favorite dictums that "simple things should be simple, complex things should be possible". Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk [mailto:Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk] > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:19 AM > To: Brian Rosen > Cc: enum@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published > > > What you want is a dial plan. Fine, we should standardize a way to get > a > > dial plan for every TN. In nearly every case, that comes from the > > regulator. There are conditions where what you get from the regulator > is a > > dial plan that determines the end of a "prefix" and you have to go > somewhere > > else to get the rest of the dial plan. Fine, we can do that. > > > > 99% of the telephone numbers in the world have a pretty simple dial > plan. > > That's the case we should optimize. > > I don't believe it's as simple as you say. > > The UK dial plan alone contains 1000s of entries. Germany's is another > 100+. > > > Overlapped dialing decoding is walking through a dial plan. We should > > provide the means to do that. All of the hundreds of millions of phones > you > > are talking about work fine without Send-N. > > But those existing phones are connected to switches that *do* use Send-N > in C7 (which of course is what this is named after). > > > They have the dial plan for the home country burnt into the switch, and > they use > > a time out for international numbers. > > The large number of dial plan entries for the UK means that for some > number ranges (in particular +44800) they're having to use inter-digit > timeouts, and they're not happy about it. > > The UK carriers are therefore actively trying *not* to have the UK dial > plan burnt into their switches, and this is the proposed implementation. > > > There is value in improving the dialing experience of everyone, but not > so > > much that we need make it really optimal. > > The carriers consider any use of time outs to be unacceptably sub-optimal. > Our proposal avoids them completely. > > > You have brought us a problem I > > think is worth solving: determining dial plans for international > numbers. I > > don't like your solution, but I'm happy to work on the problem. > > The more the merrier :) > > cheers, > > Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 08:47:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04803A68B6; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:47:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474703A6807 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:47:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_53=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id siu3kgziYuQq for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsys002x.roke.co.uk (rsys002x.roke.co.uk [193.118.201.109]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901E43A68B6 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsys005a.comm.ad.roke.co.uk (rsys005a [193.118.193.85]) by rsys002x.roke.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5RFlQPP014912; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:47:29 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([193.118.192.66]) by rsys005a.comm.ad.roke.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:47:25 +0100 Message-Id: From: Lawrence Conroy To: Jim Reid , Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:47:23 +0100 References: <4860BE63.7020804@e164.org> <80B46A27-462C-4FB0-9218-B5AE37FE73B4@dnss.ec> <6526AC3D-67F5-4430-9C57-B205515F9314@rfc1035.com> <1DF70115-ED3F-4AEE-9235-DF90CD709FF5@rfc1035.com> <20080627123337.GB99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2008 15:47:26.0618 (UTC) FILETIME=[1937C7A0:01C8D86D] X-roke-co-uk-MailScanner-ID: m5RFlQPP014912 X-MailScanner-roke-co-uk: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-roke-co-uk-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: lconroy@insensate.co.uk Cc: IETF ENUM WG Subject: Re: [Enum] wildcards and n-send NAPTRs X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1165538563==" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org --===============1165538563== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-51242704 --Apple-Mail-2-51242704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jim, Ray, folks, (i) Sod. The experiences draft (and 3761bis) talk about non-terminal NAPTR loop detection and recovery, but the loop they describe is inside a single ENUM lookup. It is NOT the result of an ENUM application doing a "same player play again" after a terminal result, as described for send-n. => the text currently in Experiences/3761bis doesn't cover this scenario. Nor does it cover an ENUM application looking up a telephone number, getting a voice:tel NAPTR back with the same number, and doing the lookup again. You can't legislate for complete stupidity (even in Washington D.C. :). I don't think that 3761bis is an appropriate place to add such text, as there has been no discussion there of individual misbehaving ENUM applications. To do so now would be a sisyphean task. However, in the send-n case, looping/spiralling a sequence of individual ENUM lookups seems expected behaviour for the send-n application, so it must be covered somewhere. Might I suggest that the Bellis Enumservice spec MUST document this? Things to cover in that document include (off the top of my head) are: in a single send-n number processing call, how long a sequence of ENUM lookups is valid is there ever a reasonable case where two ENUM lookups can be done in the same ENUM zone by the same device, is there a reasonable case where identical ENUM lookups can be done for the same ENUM zone by different entities in the routing chain, ... (ii) Also in the document, it would be good to see an estimate of the number of DNS queries made for all send-n number processing calls needed to route a number, for a known number plan. It would also be good to see a listing the assumptions about whether this is intended to be done by every local switch, or what, and why it would be done, and the implications with some given "erlang-level" models for a global system (as that seems to be part of the business plan for this scheme), ... (iii) I recall one of the major reasons why ENUM was intended for numbers that were reasonably expected to be complete was to avoid hammering the DNS - it will get hammered anyway with the number of (PSTN) Busy-Hour Call Attempts worldwide. Thus I'm pretty sure that the DNS crowd will need to be convinced that this scheme, apparently supporting the majority of "steam phones" out there, will not swamp DNS. (iv) BTW: Clive said earlier: > * IN NAPTR ( 100 10 "u" "E2U+pstndata:send-n" > "!.*!pstndata:send-n/2!" . ) I'm sure there's a good reason why the Enumservice is harris about apex in Clive's example. On 27 Jun 2008, at 13:58, Jim Reid wrote: > Now it's one thing having applications playing in this nsend world > perform loop detection. [How? And where is this documented?] all the best, Lawrence --Apple-Mail-2-51242704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, Ray, folks,
(i) = Sod. The experiences draft (and 3761bis) talk about non-terminal = NAPTR loop detection and recovery,
but the loop they describe = is inside a single ENUM lookup.

It is NOT the = result of an ENUM application doing a "same player play again" after a = terminal result,
as described for send-n.
=3D> the = text currently in Experiences/3761bis doesn't cover this scenario. Nor = does it cover an ENUM application looking up a telephone number, getting = a voice:tel NAPTR back with the same number, and doing the lookup = again.
You can't legislate for complete stupidity (even in = Washington D.C. :).

I don't think that 3761bis = is an appropriate place to add such text, as there has been no = discussion there of individual misbehaving ENUM applications. To do so = now would be a sisyphean = task.


However, in the send-n = case, looping/spiralling a sequence of individual ENUM lookups seems = expected behaviour for the send-n application, so it must be covered = somewhere.

Might I suggest that the Bellis = Enumservice spec MUST document this?

Things to = cover in that document include (off the top of my head) = are:
in a single send-n number processing call, how long a = sequence of ENUM lookups is valid
is there ever a reasonable = case where two ENUM lookups can be done in the same ENUM zone by the = same device,
is there a reasonable case where identical ENUM = lookups can be done for the same ENUM zone by different entities in the = routing chain,
...

(ii) Also in the = document, it would be good to see an estimate of the number of DNS = queries made for all send-n number processing calls needed to route a = number, for a known number plan.
It would also be good to see = a listing the assumptions about whether this is intended to be done by = every local switch, or what, and why it would be done, and the = implications with some given "erlang-level" models for a global system = (as that seems to be part of the business plan for this scheme), = ...

(iii) I recall one of the major reasons why = ENUM was intended for numbers that were reasonably expected to be = complete was to avoid hammering the DNS - it will get hammered anyway = with the number of (PSTN) Busy-Hour Call Attempts worldwide. Thus I'm = pretty sure that the DNS crowd will need to be convinced that this = scheme, apparently supporting the majority of "steam phones" out there, = will not swamp DNS.


(iv) = BTW:
Clive said earlier:
  = * IN NAPTR ( 100 10 "u" = "E2U+pstndata:send-n"
        &= nbsp;           &nb= sp;      "!.*!pstndata:send-n/2!" . = )
I'm sure there's a good reason why the = Enumservice is harris about apex in Clive's = example.

On 27 Jun 2008, at 13:58, = Jim Reid wrote:
Now it's one thing having = applications playing in this nsend world perform loop detection. [How? = And where is this documented?]

all the = best,
  Lawrence
= --Apple-Mail-2-51242704-- --===============1165538563== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum --===============1165538563==-- From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 10:04:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310423A6A43; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:04:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88993A67AA for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:04:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SYFfD478v8a0 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsys002x.roke.co.uk (rsys002x.roke.co.uk [193.118.201.109]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEB73A6831 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsys005a.comm.ad.roke.co.uk (rsys005a [193.118.193.85]) by rsys002x.roke.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5RG93MK017682; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:09:03 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([193.118.192.66]) by rsys005a.comm.ad.roke.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:09:03 +0100 Message-Id: From: Lawrence Conroy To: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:09:02 +0100 References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627124511.GD99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <171b01c8d85e$a5d4a0c0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2008 16:09:03.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E2C5DE0:01C8D870] X-roke-co-uk-MailScanner-ID: m5RG93MK017682 X-MailScanner-roke-co-uk: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-roke-co-uk-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: lconroy@insensate.co.uk Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Hi again Ray, folks, Let me get this straight - this whole thing is being developed because some historical choices by a Regulator in the UK covering freephone numbers means that there are numbers in that range with two different lengths? [AFAICT, forget the dialling plan side of things, it's a red herring - this is a number plan issue] The current situation is that Operators have to "do some funky stuff" in each switch to handle this historical choice, and I can understand why they are unhappy with it. It was brain damaged, it is brain damaged, and it needs to be fixed. However, why on earth should the IETF produce something this "interesting" just to deal with UK freephone numbers? You have already said that the current (PSTN) situation is a mess - inter-digit timeouts and all. This is not an ENUM issue - it's a general issue with that particular part of that country's number plan. all the best, Lawrence On 27 Jun 2008, at 15:18, Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk wrote: > The large number of dial plan entries for the UK means that for some > number ranges (in particular +44800) they're having to use inter-digit > timeouts, and they're not happy about it. > > The UK carriers are therefore actively trying *not* to have the UK > dial > plan burnt into their switches, and this is the proposed > implementation. > >> There is value in improving the dialing experience of everyone, but >> not so >> much that we need make it really optimal. > > The carriers consider any use of time outs to be unacceptably sub- > optimal. > Our proposal avoids them completely. _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 10:04:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1791E3A68AB; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:04:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218613A6B12 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:04:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FknRYf-xuo+Y for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsys001x.roke.co.uk (rsys001x.roke.co.uk [193.118.201.108]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF413A67D1 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsys005a.comm.ad.roke.co.uk ([193.118.193.85]) by rsys001x.roke.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5RGYfwR007689; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:34:41 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([193.118.192.66]) by rsys005a.comm.ad.roke.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:34:40 +0100 Message-Id: <4DCA5128-C6F5-4F27-8570-AC00C9867333@insensate.co.uk> From: Lawrence Conroy To: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:34:40 +0100 References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627124511.GD99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <171b01c8d85e$a5d4a0c0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2008 16:34:40.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[B28AD220:01C8D873] X-MailScanner-roke-co-uk: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-roke-co-uk-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: lconroy@insensate.co.uk Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Hi again Ray, folks, Let me get this straight - this whole thing is being developed because some historical choices by a Regulator in the UK covering freephone numbers means that there are numbers in that range with two different lengths? [AFAICT, forget the dialling plan side of things, it's a red herring - this is a number plan issue] The current situation is that Operators have to "do some funky stuff" in each switch to handle this historical choice, and I can understand why they are unhappy with it. It was brain damaged, it is brain damaged, and it needs to be fixed. However, why on earth should the IETF produce something this "interesting" just to deal with UK freephone numbers? You have already said that the current (PSTN) situation is a mess - inter-digit timeouts and all. This is not an ENUM issue - it's a general issue with that particular part of that country's number plan. all the best, Lawrence On 27 Jun 2008, at 15:18, Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk wrote: > The large number of dial plan entries for the UK means that for some > number ranges (in particular +44800) they're having to use inter-digit > timeouts, and they're not happy about it. > > The UK carriers are therefore actively trying *not* to have the UK > dial > plan burnt into their switches, and this is the proposed > implementation. > >> There is value in improving the dialing experience of everyone, but >> not so >> much that we need make it really optimal. > > The carriers consider any use of time outs to be unacceptably sub- > optimal. > Our proposal avoids them completely. _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 10:31:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4B13A68FE; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54E43A6A5E for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.011, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4BSIR0ZwUNjs for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6766D3A68E8 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:31:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:To:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=4WbkSWQ8FM85nwyEw/qNK+mFCdcQLsIBRNt6RVaXyE1bB4Pf92MaE40R cFy38nLz/KuYZmoKyAkKgBuEwzvnaubJH7WlTRhcDZv1bbYRQrWbPLq7w GzZIUmlz58D2WyZ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214587915; x=1246123915; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20RE:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Fri,=2027=20Jun=202008=2017:10:31=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20enum@ietf.org |MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<173e01c8d867$2ccad2e 0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com>; bh=y0Gfya1gTlcCzY2Li/b++KYW2qNGjQSSjng+3l4cwwI=; b=n+klgzBh6zHf1WG2oagctoffZu6A7iEAMdz5DlJMhqgmrx6LPeIbEd9v x+el9ilMtu+/8EkeK/1rf0KyDZOFus9VlkKf0p1OPakhMz/a7WCgiEkec 1GR078jUQvuEc8s; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,716,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="3750363" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2008 17:10:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <173e01c8d867$2ccad2e0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> To: enum@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.3 September 26, 2007 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:10:31 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 27/06/2008 05:10:32 PM, Serialize complete at 27/06/2008 05:10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > 1000 entries in a database is laughably small. Probably, but maintaining it apparently is not. > Downloading it to a phone as > the country code is dialed is even easy (although I suspect you wouldn't do > that to a wireless phone with current data rates, you might with 4G data > rates). Again, this is for dumb DTMF phones, not smart phones. > Here is a more or less concrete proposal: > The regulator publishes, in the existing ITU document, a URI of its current > dial plan. The URI yields an XML data structure that looks like: > > ... > > ... > Yes, but that's ITU-T territory. Automatically generating Send-N records based on the local ENUM tree structure allows (I-)ENUM operators to publish real-time number plan pseudo-data without their ever needing to be reference to a "master" ITU-T/Regulator number plan. The master number plan information only needs to be consulted locally to figure out whether any given E.164 number is allowed to be put in the ENUM database in the first place. Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 10:31:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DE128C107; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2787A3A68E8 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5LI6TNERDv3c for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D6F3A68FE for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:31:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:To:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=ovFcbzy6Mh4OtoL6D89uMPXUAkLFO9wYejFdGfJyCTOOJpVmG6D+DssS geuvdoDEhWEOeg10TEugw1kVVOpwpqwbtySrPWIyhZv1YObTmGD6A+46v hI3Z1wkD+6ya9FK; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214587915; x=1246123915; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Re:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Fri,=2027=20Jun=202008=2017:33:44=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20enum@ietf.org |MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20; bh=HgEMTvISkhXfI70Ho4ztC/hMm2J4worlvr9EaqwsNGU=; b=bdEFPAOmrqhRfxakLEnpZ3RlN+MPz520erEhm4aD/skL/6gNECUb1VPk WC3iWd7PCJsKIyLCXzVgDT2Xw6LqDMNwnvgUUoSeu0Dk607xbgl9I36Wx YYgAFi8J/Ibgowc; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,716,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="3750675" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2008 17:33:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: enum@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.3 September 26, 2007 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:33:44 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 27/06/2008 05:33:45 PM, Serialize complete at 27/06/2008 05:33:45 PM Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org I wrote: >> The large number of dial plan entries for the UK means that >> for some number ranges (in particular +44800) they're having >> to use inter-digit timeouts, and they're not happy about it. >> >> The UK carriers are therefore actively trying *not* to have >> the UK dial plan burnt into their switches, and this is the >> proposed implementation. Lwrence replied: > Let me get this straight - this whole thing is being developed > because some historical choices by a Regulator in the UK covering > freephone numbers means that there are numbers in that range with two > different lengths? I think I overstated the case there when I said "therefore". Even without +44800 the operators would like to avoid maintaining call plan information in their switches. Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 10:31:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0649728C164; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:31:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31C728C160 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.589 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id npEPiegeQLLY for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA483A6896 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:31:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:To:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=JZ/cZ3mka8c2wxhgvLoo0535rkU6dSHz9d5Dy7+Sa0l9scPCE2BdsL9j 01wMcXCdOnFT5KiN86j+I+e6ZG2klm5uwSKovRI8ta5mEgneqxC4FDjlW tv8tVhWXPETYZdJ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214587916; x=1246123916; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Re:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Fri,=2027=20Jun=202008=2018:03:25=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20enum@ietf.org |MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<4864FB39.7040805@e16 4.org>; bh=Fx4Ep5o30/vITbH7lB5Qs4tXZdDgT6uJIUguNeOu5KE=; b=DqjMvxs+34GkrA4BJiaNTZCx1CBktePsz3h03GSdaLkr7vwbKvHWtM4m H8V8s+MJBmixmUsToYEMqpgE1td0vQZh/j7PRaYnYbJSEY4AuQeotQ4ON Fzge4oKLQ7A1JdI; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,716,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="3751018" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2008 18:03:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4864FB39.7040805@e164.org> To: enum@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.3 September 26, 2007 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:03:25 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 27/06/2008 06:03:25 PM, Serialize complete at 27/06/2008 06:03:25 PM Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > > Can you provide an actual example zone showing how this doesn't work? > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. IN NAPTR > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > 9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. 60 IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U+SIP" > "!^\\+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\\1@freenum.sip.telecomplete.net!" . > 9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. 60 IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U+SIP" > "!^\\+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\\1@selfnet.at!" . > 9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. 60 IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U+SIP" > "!^\\+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\\1@public.sip.magrathea.net!" . Sorry, I still don't see your point. Yes, those NAPTRs would hide any wildcard Send-N record higher up in the tree. Per previous e-mail, "so what?". A better example would be: $ORIGIN 0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. * IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U+SIP" "!^+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\1@freenum.sip.telecomplete.net!" . IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U+SIP" "!^+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\1@selfnet.at!" . IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U+SIP" "!^+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\1@public.sip.magrathea.net!" . IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U+pstndata:send-n" "!.*!pstndata:send-n/=12!" With the absolute form introduced in -01 that's perfectly valid. > As per my last email you are also breaking ENUM RFCs, not just DNS ones. Can we please separate out the issues caused by overlapped dialling from Send-N itself? Send-N is a way to mitigate the DNS load in any system that does an ENUM lookup as each digit is dialled that also happens to reveal number plan information. It's the overlapped dialling that "breaks" ENUM RFCs, not Send-N. Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 11:15:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363463A6813; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:15:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03013A6813 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:15:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.548 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.548 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ycEDoIKe9EHz for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ebru.winwebhosting.com (ebru.winwebhosting.com [74.55.202.130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4E73A67E7 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neustargw.va.neustar.com ([209.173.53.233] helo=BROSLT61xp) by ebru.winwebhosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCITo-0001Ig-JB; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:15:33 -0500 From: "Brian Rosen" To: , References: <173e01c8d867$2ccad2e0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:15:32 -0400 Message-ID: <179501c8d881$ce6426f0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjYe7BF8J/6rTmbRuWb9mWgb/FvtAABaqhQ X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ebru.winwebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianrosen.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org I think we're in the "agree to disagree state". I do not support Send-N. I think there is a problem, I think IETF can solve it. I've provided one alternative, I'm happy to discuss others. Your proposal, in my opinion, is too limiting, and doesn't solve the entire problem. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: enum-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:enum-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:11 PM > To: enum@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published > > > 1000 entries in a database is laughably small. > > Probably, but maintaining it apparently is not. > > > Downloading it to a phone as > > the country code is dialed is even easy (although I suspect you wouldn't > do > > that to a wireless phone with current data rates, you might with 4G data > > rates). > > Again, this is for dumb DTMF phones, not smart phones. > > > Here is a more or less concrete proposal: > > The regulator publishes, in the existing ITU document, a URI of its > current > > dial plan. The URI yields an XML data structure that looks like: > > > > ... > > > > ... > > > > Yes, but that's ITU-T territory. > > Automatically generating Send-N records based on the local ENUM tree > structure allows (I-)ENUM operators to publish real-time number plan > pseudo-data without their ever needing to be reference to a "master" > ITU-T/Regulator number plan. > > The master number plan information only needs to be consulted locally to > figure out whether any given E.164 number is allowed to be put in the ENUM > database in the first place. > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 12:23:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5AA3A6B56; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:23:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D553A6B5F for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:23:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.59 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8KkmGII0JocQ for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.nominet.org.uk (mx3.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320E628C1D2 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:23:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=rv7hO1mnhPFagsubnb78LHDXjJDjRucKtXk5zebFdhUgUEKQ0Thd+9R+ cJj2OYNMaYMe3kySWdd6Cnb6G34cTet9TRSqS3a8wvwXzKoBpn26ELWo2 vd4M597KqSQsxt/; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214594610; x=1246130610; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20RE:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Fri,=2027=20Jun=202008=2020:23:27=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20"Brian=20Rosen"=20 |Cc:=20enum@ietf.org|MIME-Version:=201 .0|In-Reply-To:=20<179501c8d881$ce6426f0$bf320446@cis.neu star.com>; bh=Gd9umn4zaAlKWsRZU1YetHyrr9X1eXdMUh9QeRWdrjc=; b=7Heywe3c5kWpG2H2+7UzOBxawd5M81GgIt0KdV4rfDl13/h7CdDXkZvl QpamsiYMdqEYN30gfG+JTDNVv9yptACgnpDI3cOY1n/ZtbjPBiOP0zzEw iRDIGEQ9BUADxxm; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,716,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="4543007" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2008 20:23:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: <179501c8d881$ce6426f0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> To: "Brian Rosen" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.3 September 26, 2007 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:23:27 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 27/06/2008 08:23:28 PM, Serialize complete at 27/06/2008 08:23:28 PM Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > I think there is a problem, I think IETF can solve it. I've provided one > alternative, I'm happy to discuss others. > > Your proposal, in my opinion, is too limiting, and doesn't solve the entire > problem. Brian, Can you please explain exactly *how* you find it limiting, and what you believe the rest of the "entire problem" is that that's apparently not solved? Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 12:36:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22F428C1C5; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:36:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4E528C1BE for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eROhKn-ia8Ul for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ebru.winwebhosting.com (ebru.winwebhosting.com [74.55.202.130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B9A28C1C5 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neustargw.va.neustar.com ([209.173.53.233] helo=BROSLT61xp) by ebru.winwebhosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCJjp-0005WA-E7; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:36:05 -0500 From: "Brian Rosen" To: References: <179501c8d881$ce6426f0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:36:10 -0400 Message-ID: <17ab01c8d88d$0f0b0d30$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjYi0UD6r7q+A5xSVWU33vXBPYb4wAARv1w X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ebru.winwebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianrosen.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org It doesn't tell you the length of a number; it tells you how many digits you have to enter to get to the next step in the revealing of the length of the number. The entire problem is that there are a significant number of applications and systems that need to understand, in detail, the number plan for a country. Those include applications such as the one you are describing (overlapped dialing systems) as well as: 1) An ENUM operator wishing to validate the shape of the tree 2) A smart device wishing to implement a sophisticated digit map 3) A routing engine trying to diagnose why a call is not routing 4) Rating and routing entities who merely need to understand what carrier is allocated a number block (where not all blocks are number portability enabled) Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk [mailto:Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk] > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:23 PM > To: Brian Rosen > Cc: enum@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published > > > I think there is a problem, I think IETF can solve it. I've provided > one > > alternative, I'm happy to discuss others. > > > > Your proposal, in my opinion, is too limiting, and doesn't solve the > entire > > problem. > > Brian, > > Can you please explain exactly *how* you find it limiting, and what you > believe the rest of the "entire problem" is that that's apparently not > solved? > > Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 15:12:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8ADA3A69F6; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:12:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A043A69F6 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:12:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VlH4rGJbfHpV for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.aus-biz.com (mail.aus-biz.com [208.82.100.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808CE3A6781 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.101.2] (dsl-48-19.qld1.net.au [125.168.48.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.aus-biz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 040FDFF26D for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:12:48 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <486565C3.2070509@e164.org> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:12:19 +1000 From: Duane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "enum@ietf.org" References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0328593572==" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0328593572== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig18A185531924CF8388F00A30" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig18A185531924CF8388F00A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk wrote: >>> Can you provide an actual example zone showing how this doesn't work?= >> ;; QUESTION SECTION: >> ;9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. IN NAPTR >> >> ;; ANSWER SECTION: >> 9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. 60 IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U+SIP"= >> "!^\\+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\\1@freenum.sip.telecomplete.net!" . >> 9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. 60 IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U+SIP"= >> "!^\\+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\\1@selfnet.at!" . >> 9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. 60 IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U+SIP"= >> "!^\\+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\\1@public.sip.magrathea.net!" . >=20 > Sorry, I still don't see your point. >=20 > Yes, those NAPTRs would hide any wildcard Send-N record higher up in th= e=20 > tree. Per previous e-mail, "so what?". No those records are wild cards, the hostnames appear in full because that's how DNS returns them based on the query and any send-n's more specific would hide those wild cards not the other way round. It's obvious you and Clive have both failed to grasp why wild cards would break, so it's more than obvious that those in charge of this decision making process in my opinion do not have the necessary technical skills to be making this kind of decision, so you've come up with a half baked idea that just happens to kind of sort of work and are trying to get it ratified for who knows what reason if it's going to be for private use only. --=20 Best regards, Duane --------------enig18A185531924CF8388F00A30 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIZWXDEpWoZMmo/c8RArG6AJ9vWVRBNUoomdQp+Y49JZFqQxwAEgCgtLl+ reFeuyrlPKkTlStQyuB27OA= =qq6g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig18A185531924CF8388F00A30-- --===============0328593572== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum --===============0328593572==-- From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 16:48:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A403A68D9; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:48:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCF53A68D9 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:48:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w94PCr6nJY+y for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.28]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CEA3A688A for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a82-94-105-54.adsl.xs4all.nl (a82-94-105-54.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.94.105.54]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m5RNmH9Y022277; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:48:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roy@dnss.ec) Message-Id: From: Roy Arends To: Duane In-Reply-To: <486565C3.2070509@e164.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:48:17 +0200 References: <486565C3.2070509@e164.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org On Jun 28, 2008, at 12:12 AM, Duane wrote: > Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk wrote: >>>> Can you provide an actual example zone showing how this doesn't >>>> work? >>> ;; QUESTION SECTION: >>> ;9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. IN NAPTR >>> >>> ;; ANSWER SECTION: >>> 9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. 60 IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U >>> +SIP" >>> "!^\\+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\\1@freenum.sip.telecomplete.net!" . >>> 9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. 60 IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U >>> +SIP" >>> "!^\\+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\\1@selfnet.at!" . >>> 9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.0.0.8.4.4.e164.org. 60 IN NAPTR 200 10 "u" "E2U >>> +SIP" >>> "!^\\+44800(.*)$!sip:44800\\1@public.sip.magrathea.net!" . >> >> Sorry, I still don't see your point. >> >> Yes, those NAPTRs would hide any wildcard Send-N record higher up >> in the >> tree. Per previous e-mail, "so what?". > > No those records are wild cards, No they are not. In DNS, the concept of Wildcard Domain Names only exist in the authoritative server. Since you quoted a response message, these records may be the result of wildcard domain name processing on the server, but are certainly not "wild cards" nor wildcard domain name. > the hostnames appear in full because > that's how DNS returns them based on the query and any send-n's more > specific would hide those wild cards not the other way round. Please re-read what Ray said: "those NAPTRs would hide any wildcard send-N record higher up". Given that Ray could not have known that you actually used an expanded wildcard domain name, but assumed that these are regular, unexpanded Resource Records, he asserted that you would have a wildcard domain name at an ancestor name. > It's obvious you and Clive have both failed to grasp why wild cards > would break, This is silly. This doesn't "break" wildcards. This is EXACTLY how wildcard domain name processing should behave, i.e. an existent name has precedence over a wildcard domain name at an ancestor domain. > so it's more than obvious that those in charge of this > decision making process in my opinion do not have the necessary > technical skills to be making this kind of decision, This assertion is too ad hominem. Please be polite. > so you've come up > with a half baked idea that just happens to kind of sort of work and > are > trying to get it ratified for who knows what reason if it's going to > be > for private use only. See my previous remark. Roy _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 27 17:03:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7D93A688E; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:03:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6422F3A6B59 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:03:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Drs5n5vSMglw for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.aus-biz.com (mail.aus-biz.com [208.82.100.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1943A6800 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.101.2] (dsl-48-19.qld1.net.au [125.168.48.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.aus-biz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C4EC4FF26D; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:03:47 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:03:17 +1000 From: Duane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roy Arends References: <486565C3.2070509@e164.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Roy Arends wrote: > In DNS, the concept of Wildcard Domain Names only exist in the > authoritative server. Since you quoted a response message, these records > may be the result of wildcard domain name processing on the server, but > are certainly not "wild cards" nor wildcard domain name. You say potato I say well who cares, the point is he was welcome to try the query for himself, the \\1 (dig adds the extra slash) and the .* in the NAPTR record should have tipped him off to the fact it was a wild card. > Please re-read what Ray said: "those NAPTRs would hide any wildcard > send-N record higher up". If I do the same query for +44800\d{1,10} and the results would be the same, yet if a send-n appears at a more specific location the result wouldn't be the same. > Given that Ray could not have known that you actually used an expanded > wildcard domain name, but assumed > that these are regular, unexpanded Resource Records, he asserted that > you would have a wildcard domain name at an ancestor name. Again, he was free to re-do the query himself if he did not understand what I was expressing, this isn't supposed to be rocket science but there is clearly a fundamental lack of understanding here as to the effect of send-n by its proponents. > This is silly. This doesn't "break" wildcards. This is EXACTLY how > wildcard domain name processing should behave, i.e. an existent name has > precedence over a wildcard domain name at an ancestor domain. *sigh* You guys can keep pushing this all you want but you so far haven't shown why this shoul be accepted it has the potential to substantially increase load on DNS and cause looping all of which would need to be dealt with as special cases and even if it was passed as a NAPTR type the DNS guys would most certainly have a beef with all the additional queries. As I said before this seems to be more like a routing protocol, something in the domain of BGP where everyone has a complete view of the dial plan and updates are broadcast as they happen. >> so it's more than obvious that those in charge of this >> decision making process in my opinion do not have the necessary >> technical skills to be making this kind of decision, > > This assertion is too ad hominem. Please be polite. I've tried to be, but that doesn't seem to be working, so I thought a slightly more strongly worded email might have more of an impact, I guess I was being naive in assuming what I was expressing was being understood. -- Best regards, Duane _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jun 28 02:12:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD5028C17F; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:12:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373173A6B58 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:12:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.59 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IY+qaAAYt3pO for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E683A69A7 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:12:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=3sMPdbt3KakhnX/iTchzbOp+LV1qnzBfUf/EYH2+k84ZO26Pcz8NvkKJ k+AAZCnRY2tKTrrcqekfZ2TZi36D4rArVlB84iec2MWDbHBbAdRC+5T5l g00/xiwZNUGSiEl; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214644370; x=1246180370; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Re:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Sat,=2028=20Jun=202008=2010:12:46=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20enum@ietf.org|Cc: =20Duane=20|MIME-Version:=201.0 |In-Reply-To:=20<48657FC5.2010205@e164.org>; bh=7FJ6GiMfFK/yi1UCCM9R1UbOKQqOP21BJOtMwnLyiEA=; b=iG92q1diALvRvIISuKZF/17t2ncCxTts9iTP4uKwdneIHMhbPUKHB811 7zY/Pm3ZZ3YJerg8xd5WFDBhGzbUZcHpIjTvrd05049QAdoETA+3xac0p jcQU5S7k/Zx4ls+; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,719,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="3764630" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 28 Jun 2008 10:12:47 +0100 In-Reply-To: <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> To: enum@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.3 September 26, 2007 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:12:46 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 28/06/2008 10:12:47 AM, Serialize complete at 28/06/2008 10:12:47 AM Cc: Duane Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > Again, he was free to re-do the query himself if he did not understand > what I was expressing, this isn't supposed to be rocket science but > there is clearly a fundamental lack of understanding here as to the > effect of send-n by its proponents. Of course I recognised that those were the results of a wildcard in your zone file. I didn't understand that you were talking about Send-Ns appearing in the tree below the wildcard point (rather than the other way around) simply because there's no good reason for that to happen, it would be misconfiguration. The correct place for the Send-N to appear would be at or above the wildcard record itself, as per the example I sent. In any event, wildcard records such as you showed are incompatible with overlapped dialling, precisely because (as per 3761) they return a full result for an incomplete number. That's an issue for NGNs that might intend to implement overlapped dialling using I-ENUM and partial number lookups, but it's not caused by Send-N. Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jun 28 06:21:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F923A6A8D; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:21:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317663A6A8D for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:21:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 40WlL31Dxcu9 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A59C3A68B8 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a82-94-105-54.adsl.xs4all.nl (a82-94-105-54.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.94.105.54]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m5SDKuDx071844; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:20:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roy@dnss.ec) Message-Id: <1A48F442-6AD3-436D-945C-F836376004B6@dnss.ec> From: Roy Arends To: Duane In-Reply-To: <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:20:55 +0200 References: <486565C3.2070509@e164.org> <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org On Jun 28, 2008, at 2:03 AM, Duane wrote: > Roy Arends wrote: > >> In DNS, the concept of Wildcard Domain Names only exist in the >> authoritative server. Since you quoted a response message, these >> records >> may be the result of wildcard domain name processing on the server, >> but >> are certainly not "wild cards" nor wildcard domain name. > > You say potato I say well who cares, I think it is important to disambiguate statements that seem to cause confusion amongst the readers. This is not per se a noble goal, but actually a requirement to gain consensus later. I would like to know exactly what causes resentment against a certain proposal, even when it takes a bit dissecting. > the point is he was welcome to try > the query for himself, the \\1 (dig adds the extra slash) and the .* > in > the NAPTR record should have tipped him off to the fact it was a > wild card. I thought you were referring to wildcard domain names, as in RFC 4592. >> Please re-read what Ray said: "those NAPTRs would hide any wildcard >> send-N record higher up". > > If I do the same query for +44800\d{1,10} and the results would be the > same, yet if a send-n appears at a more specific location the result > wouldn't be the same. > >> Given that Ray could not have known that you actually used an >> expanded >> wildcard domain name, but assumed >> that these are regular, unexpanded Resource Records, he asserted that >> you would have a wildcard domain name at an ancestor name. > > Again, he was free to re-do the query himself if he did not understand > what I was expressing, this isn't supposed to be rocket science but > there is clearly a fundamental lack of understanding here as to the > effect of send-n by its proponents. The odd thing about your statement is that you seem to be convinced of a "fundamental lack of understanding to the effect of send-n by its proponents", but you then try to educate those "proponents" in a fairly hostile, divisive way. This combination does not help your case, and for the rest of the list, it is kind of weary to read. >> This is silly. This doesn't "break" wildcards. This is EXACTLY how >> wildcard domain name processing should behave, i.e. an existent >> name has >> precedence over a wildcard domain name at an ancestor domain. > > *sigh* You guys For the record: I am neither a "proponant or an opponant" of the proposed technology. I became part of this discussion because I though I could weed out some of the confusion about wildcards in the domain name system. In my mind, even with my limited knowledge of the DNS, and even less about ENUM, I thought that there is a certain alarmist tone in stating that 'send-n breaks wildcards'. It is at least ambiguous, as I have showed above. > can keep pushing this all you want but you so far > haven't shown why this shoul be accepted it has the potential to > substantially increase load on DNS and cause looping all of which > would > need to be dealt with as special cases and even if it was passed as a > NAPTR type the DNS guys would most certainly have a beef with all the > additional queries. There is already a warning in the send-n draft about the combined use of send-n records and wildcards. > As I said before this seems to be more like a routing protocol, > something in the domain of BGP where everyone has a complete view of > the > dial plan and updates are broadcast as they happen. > >>> so it's more than obvious that those in charge of this >>> decision making process in my opinion do not have the necessary >>> technical skills to be making this kind of decision, >> >> This assertion is too ad hominem. Please be polite. > > I've tried to be, but that doesn't seem to be working, so I thought a > slightly more strongly worded email might have more of an impact, I > guess I was being naive in assuming what I was expressing was being > understood. Well, if you feel that you are being misunderstood, wording your email more strongly does not help, and might even have an adverse effect. regards, Roy _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jun 28 14:05:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592B83A67E4; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:05:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC153A6978 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:05:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.63 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.63 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.800, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, HOST_EQ_AT=0.745, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cKMJmlEtetU3 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.nic.at (nat.labs.nic.at [83.136.33.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DD13A67A5 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lendl by labs.nic.at with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1KChbi-0001fl-00; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:05:18 +0200 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:05:18 +0200 From: Otmar Lendl To: Brian Rosen Message-ID: <20080628210517.GA5961@nic.at> Mail-Followup-To: Otmar Lendl , Brian Rosen , "'Clive D.W. Feather'" , Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org References: <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627125213.GF99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <172201c8d860$8391f560$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <172201c8d860$8391f560$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org, "'Clive D.W. Feather'" Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org On 2008/06/27 16:06, Brian Rosen wrote: > > I want something that determines the shape of the enum tree. I need that > even before I create the tree. The authoritative source for the information > is typically the regulator. Today, it's typically published as a Word > document by the ITU. I want to set up a mechanism for the regulator, or > someone operating on its behalf, publishes the data that currently is > published in that Word document as a database anyone, including the enum > operator, can use. In the case of Austria, the regulator only defines bounds for the length of numbers. Within those bounds, both the number block owner and the end-user of the number/prefix can define their own dial-plan. So if you want to cover Austria and Germany with this scheme, you either * accept ranges instead of exact number lengths for some prefixes or * provide some on-demand query mechanism for the dial-plan specifics within a prefix. (btw, here is the Austrian numbering plan: http://www.rtr.at/en/tk/E129/Austrian%20Numbering%20Plan%202004-05-12.pdf ) /ol -- // Otmar Lendl , T: +43 1 5056416 - 33, F: - 933 // nic.at Internet Verwaltungs- und Betriebsgesellschaft m.b.H // http://www.nic.at/ LG Salzburg, FN 172568b, Sitz: Salzburg _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jun 29 06:24:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCFC3A6880; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:24:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E843A6880 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:24:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hVEPzujeRxf5 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9339E3A6811 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KCwtF-00081E-15; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:24:25 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1KCwsH-0008GX-5B; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:25 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:25 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org Message-ID: <20080629132325.GA23998@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org References: <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Folks, On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:12:46AM +0100, Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk wrote: > In any event, wildcard records such as you showed are incompatible with > overlapped dialling, precisely because (as per 3761) they return a full not responding to this particular message but trying to find an entry into this thread, I'd like to apologize for my confusion, but I fail to see why of all issues wildcards are causing so much rigor here. As others have already stated, on the DNS protocol level, wildcards are a provisioning aid that is expanded at the authoritative server side. To that extent, "send-n" NAPTR RRs may not make much sense at a wildcard owner, especially given that they expand across multiple levels of hierarchy, but I can't understand why send-n would "break" wildcards or vice versa. Then, of course, I also do not understand why "digitsmin" would need a relative interpretation at all instead of just using the absolute value. There might be uses of wildcards today which would interfere with "send-n" or would benefit little or nothing, but so be it. That said, I believe that "overlap dialing" is an issue that needs a solution, but I'm not convinced that "send-n" is that solution nor that the solution space is constrained to ENUM (or I-ENUM for that matter). "send-n" clearly is not an ENUM service, instead it is a "clever" attempt for an optimization (incompatible with the DDDS way of query processing) that is not (yet, maybe) strongly motivated in the draft: it adds complexity to the protocol and increases the data set to be provisioned to reduce the number of DNS queries. But who is this optimizing for? Is it to reduce the query load for authoritative servers or to reduce response latency for the clients? For the first, where are the motivating load predictions and usage scenarios? For the latter, why would that matter, given that we assume a human to dial the numbers anyway? Did anyone say per-query-billing? This is clearly not an ENUM service, but a "clever" optimization that is not compatible with the DDDS way of query processing. This additional information is encoded within NAPTR records since this avoids the need for applications to issue multiple DNS requests with varying QTYPEs depending on the type of information being looked up. Yes, if all you have is TXT, you don't need any differentiation. What also concerns me is this paragraph in section 5: information supplied by the local numbering plan administrator. It is expected however that Send-N records would be synthesised automatically by the DNS server based on the information currently stored in its ENUM database. Does "synthesised automatically" express the intent to generate these responses on-the-fly or prior to loading the DNS zone, based on some automated tool? -Peter "ceterum censeo": If it is really necessary to apply the proposed optimization, it might be time now to re-think the applicability of "ENUM technology" for the I-ENUM problem space, go back to the drawing board and come up with a solution that is less dependent on DNS. _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 01:39:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06B83A6407; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:39:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F053A6407 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:39:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Exyy7hATAfbM for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from medel.switch.ch (medel.switch.ch [IPv6:2001:620:0:14:214:4fff:fe75:4775]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226E43A63CB for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.59.6.129] (helo=machb.switch.ch) by medel.switch.ch with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KDEv4-0006o4-7g for enum@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:39:30 +0200 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:37:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@machb To: enum@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SWITCH-SCANNER: bypassed Subject: [Enum] New email address X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: b.hoeneisen@ieee.org List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Hi! As you might know I have decided to leave Switch in order to face a new challenge. Tomorrow I'll join Swisscom. My email account at Switch will be removed pretty soon. You can reach me at . cheers, Bernie _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 02:36:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B953A6AAA; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:36:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2DA3A68D2 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:36:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.591 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.591 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3C9od3tIWdek for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2ABB3A6AA8 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:36:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Cc: Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date: X-MIMETrack:Content-Type; b=yEUaoLvIOr4gfx1OcOusuBekohC+GRuKGkR4ghSS+05uXUhCZmC/8rK/ iOo5H0Y9roiq6Ygo8OMH/kGzfR4kvpY/iS2md43wjKPxf1Ut3QKLPV2jW 2MxnOUu/egcMwU4; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214818619; x=1246354619; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Re:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Mon,=2030=20Jun=202008=2010:36:55=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20Peter=20Koch=20|Cc:=20enum@ietf.org|MIME-Version:=201.0 |In-Reply-To:=20<20080629132325.GA23998@x27.adm.denic.de> |References:=20<48657FC5.2010205@e164.org>=20=20<20080629132325.GA23998@x27.adm.denic.de>; bh=d7uVJNcIQKGiRGOMZfJ8bxhxGkVxV+Xq8XZU1sSQ1NM=; b=AePKU51ROzCwGqFi0M3PQfsO5CvpQh6nYzt2jD4WK0JFXwp6ykntNnjI izCLmIvvF7BlNNy7JEKBeu19Cv/C1rMBlRXzK8ZnFSvuTHq8Quqd48Tmw TxPFm7nXZzE+AYJ; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,727,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="3811279" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 30 Jun 2008 10:36:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080629132325.GA23998@x27.adm.denic.de> References: <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> <20080629132325.GA23998@x27.adm.denic.de> To: Peter Koch MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build VMac_Beta85_20080115_MM2 January 15, 2008 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:36:55 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 30/06/2008 10:36:56 AM, Serialize complete at 30/06/2008 10:36:56 AM Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > not responding to this particular message but trying to find an entry into > this thread, I'd like to apologize for my confusion, but I fail to see > why of all issues wildcards are causing so much rigor here. As others > have already stated, on the DNS protocol level, wildcards are a provisioning > aid that is expanded at the authoritative server side. To that extent, > "send-n" NAPTR RRs may not make much sense at a wildcard owner, especially > given that they expand across multiple levels of hierarchy, but I can't > understand why send-n would "break" wildcards or vice versa. Then, of course, > I also do not understand why "digitsmin" would need a relative interpretation > at all instead of just using the absolute value. > There might be uses of wildcards today which would interfere with "send-n" > or would benefit little or nothing, but so be it. Thanks Peter, hopefully that puts the wildcard issue to bed. [btw, the original reasoning for using relative rather than absolute was to avoid the need to regenerate the RRs if a portion of the number space gets moved into a new prefix of different length] > That said, I believe that "overlap dialing" is an issue that needs a solution, > but I'm not convinced that "send-n" is that solution nor that the solution > space is constrained to ENUM (or I-ENUM for that matter). "Send-N" is not "the" solution for overlapped dialling. IP-based Next Generation Networks will in general use I-ENUM. If we assume that to support overlapped dialling those networks do lookups on partial numbers (as is the plan in the UK) then "Send-N" is simply an optimisation method in those circumstances. > "send-n" clearly is not an ENUM service, instead it is a "clever" attempt > for an optimization (incompatible with the DDDS way of query processing) It's not the "Send-N" part that's incompatible with DDDS, it's the partial number lookups. As I understand it the requirement to only do full number lookups in RFC3761 is there purely for performance reasons. Personally I think it's too strong, and that standards shouldn't put "MUST" in unless something would break if the rule was broken. The one place that partial lookups does break are in ENUM zones with wildcards in (like Duanes). Ironically in that case a "Send-N" record actually helps. It could tell the client that although a record has been returned (through wildcard processing) it's not valid because not enough digits have been supplied. The SIP server could return a "484 address incomplete", but that means handling and rejecting several extra SIP INVITEs. > that is not (yet, maybe) strongly motivated in the draft: it adds > complexity to the protocol and increases the data set to be provisioned to > reduce the number of DNS queries. Yes, that's right. More data is provisioned to make tree traversal more efficient. It's a time vs space trade-off. > But who is this optimizing for? Is it to reduce the query load for > authoritative servers or to reduce response latency for the clients? It's both, really. Use of "Send-N" reduces the query load substantially (see below) and also eliminates the need for inter-digit timeouts, which substantially improves the end-user experience. > For the first, where are the motivating load predictions and usage scenarios? For the UK we've determined that once we've got as far as +44, a maximum of just *two* Send-N lookups are required. There's one particularly short number in our E.164 plan (+448001111). So looking up 4.4.e164.nicc.org.uk would return a Send-N of 7 (or =9). Having received those further 7 digits that happens to be sufficiently far down the tree that the next lookup will return either 2 (=11) or 3 (=12) and either of those will be the final result. > For the latter, why would that matter, given that we assume a human to dial > the numbers anyway? Did anyone say per-query-billing? Per-dip charges aren't an issue in the UK model as each carrier is allowed (indeed expected) to secondary portions of the number space into DNS servers on their own network. > This additional information is encoded within NAPTR records since > this avoids the need for applications to issue multiple DNS requests > with varying QTYPEs depending on the type of information being looked > up. > > Yes, if all you have is TXT, you don't need any differentiation. Sorry Peter, I don't understand that comment. > What also concerns me is this paragraph in section 5: > > information supplied by the local numbering plan administrator. It > is expected however that Send-N records would be synthesised > automatically by the DNS server based on the information currently > stored in its ENUM database. > > Does "synthesised automatically" express the intent to generate these > responses on-the-fly or prior to loading the DNS zone, based on some > "ceterum censeo": In the authoritative server they'd probably be created as the zone is populated rather than in real-time. I'll rephrase that. In secondaries they'd be part of the IXFR data, just like any other RR. > If it is really necessary to apply the proposed optimization, > it might be time now to re-think the applicability of "ENUM > technology" for the I-ENUM problem space, go back to the drawing > board and come up wi a solution that is less dependent on DNS. I believe it's too late for that. The NGNs are already well on the road to using I-ENUM. cheers, Ray -- Ray Bellis, MA(Oxon) Senior Researcher in Advanced Projects, Nominet e: ray@nominet.org.uk, t: +44 1865 332211 _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 07:38:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AE93A6A9F; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:38:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D013A63EC for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:38:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.428 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.428 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.171, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DSTg-K2M-+ej for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BDD3A6819 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m5UEcgxO026688Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:38:42 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KDKWg-000KrM-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:38:42 +0100 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:38:42 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Message-ID: <20080630143842.GQ45239@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> <20080629132325.GA23998@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: enum@ietf.org, Peter Koch Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk said: > [btw, the original reasoning for using relative rather than absolute was > to avoid the need to regenerate the RRs if a portion of the number space > gets moved into a new prefix of different length] This is something that has happened before and might happen again - more importantly, there may well be a period of parallel running - so it was worth taking into consideration. > For the UK we've determined that once we've got as far as +44, a maximum > of just *two* Send-N lookups are required. > > There's one particularly short number in our E.164 plan (+448001111). So > looking up 4.4.e164.nicc.org.uk would return a Send-N of 7 (or =9). Having > received those further 7 digits that happens to be sufficiently far down > the tree that the next lookup will return either 2 (=11) or 3 (=12) or 1 (=10) in a few cases. > and > either of those will be the final result. That appears to be the case right now. It's possible that there will be some edge cases in the future where there will be one more lookup (that is, the sequence is =9, =11, =12, result). These will be transitional, though, as a particular number space is dynamically lengthened. >> What also concerns me is this paragraph in section 5: >> >> information supplied by the local numbering plan administrator. It >> is expected however that Send-N records would be synthesised >> automatically by the DNS server based on the information currently >> stored in its ENUM database. >> >> Does "synthesised automatically" express the intent to generate these >> responses on-the-fly or prior to loading the DNS zone, based on some >> "ceterum censeo": > > In the authoritative server they'd probably be created as the zone is > populated rather than in real-time. I'll rephrase that. In secondaries > they'd be part of the IXFR data, just like any other RR. In other words, the intent is that when new data is entered into the primary authoritative server, a process would be run that calculates the Send-N records based on that data and the existing contents. Those records would then be added to the server in the normal way. No, this wouldn't be a standard DNS server doing this. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 07:42:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D28A3A6ACB; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:42:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A643A6ACB for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:42:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.152, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P534bjYPX+9c for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE7B3A69AB for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m5UEgw5x027851Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:42:58 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KDKao-000KuT-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:42:58 +0100 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:42:58 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Duane Message-ID: <20080630144258.GR45239@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <486565C3.2070509@e164.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <486565C3.2070509@e164.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: "enum@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Duane said: >> Yes, those NAPTRs would hide any wildcard Send-N record higher up in the >> tree. Per previous e-mail, "so what?". > > No those records are wild cards, No, they aren't. They may have been synthesised from wildcards, but there is no way to determine that from what you wrote. > It's obvious you and Clive have both failed to grasp why wild cards > would break, Perhaps that's because you're unable to explain yourself coherently (see, other people can do gratuitous insults as well as you). Or perhaps that's because they don't break. > so it's more than obvious that those in charge of this > decision making process in my opinion do not have the necessary > technical skills to be making this kind of decision, so you've come up > with a half baked idea that just happens to kind of sort of work PKB. > and are > trying to get it ratified for who knows what reason if it's going to be > for private use only. Unless someone comes up with a clear reason not to do so, the UK *will* be going ahead with this. The proposal is being brought to IETF because we felt it might be useful for other people, so it should be offered to the IETF process. But failure to make this an RFC will have *zero* effect on its real-world implementation. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 08:04:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096CC3A69BF; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:04:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D30C3A69BF for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:04:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.136, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id naKzLU+rOMpU for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE4D3A6932 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m5UF4IpM009042Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:04:18 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KDKug-000LKY-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:03:30 +0100 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:03:29 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Brian Rosen Message-ID: <20080630150329.GU45239@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627125213.GF99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <172201c8d860$8391f560$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <172201c8d860$8391f560$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Brian Rosen said: > I want something that determines the shape of the enum tree. I need that > even before I create the tree. The authoritative source for the information > is typically the regulator. Today, it's typically published as a Word > document by the ITU. No, it isn't. Some information that is part of what is needed is published. But neither the UK nor the Austrian regulator (to pick two) publish complete and consistent information about the dial plan. > The way I want to use the data for a next generation phone is to download > something like the MGCP dial plan Is there going to be a single central repository, or a tree with sub-trees delegated to the various authorities who determine the actual data? The latter sounds more sensible to me. It also sounds very much like DNS. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 08:04:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F513A6A73; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:04:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D7B3A6A73 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:04:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.475 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.475 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.124, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YoRnLuEGdgNM for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBC73A6A5A for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m5UF4Kt5009085Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:04:20 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KDKii-000L7p-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:51:08 +0100 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:51:08 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Duane Message-ID: <20080630145108.GS45239@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <486565C3.2070509@e164.org> <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: enum@ietf.org, Roy Arends Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Duane said: > You say potato I say well who cares, the point is he was welcome to try > the query for himself, the \\1 (dig adds the extra slash) and the .* in > the NAPTR record should have tipped him off to the fact it was a wild card. No, they merely show that a standard pattern was used. > If I do the same query for +44800\d{1,10} and the results would be the > same, yet if a send-n appears at a more specific location the result > wouldn't be the same. The same happens if you put an A record at a higher level. So don't do that. But that's not "broken". It's "working correctly". >> Given that Ray could not have known that you actually used an expanded >> wildcard domain name, but assumed >> that these are regular, unexpanded Resource Records, he asserted that >> you would have a wildcard domain name at an ancestor name. > Again, he was free to re-do the query himself if he did not understand > what I was expressing, And the response will fail to demonstrate that a wildcard was used. > *sigh* You guys can keep pushing this all you want but you so far > haven't shown why this shoul be accepted it has the potential to > substantially increase load on DNS and cause looping all of which would > need to be dealt with as special cases and even if it was passed as a > NAPTR type the DNS guys would most certainly have a beef with all the > additional queries. Actually, it has the potential to greatly reduce the number of queries. As Ray has pointed out, it reduces 11 queries to 3 or 4. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 08:16:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D961E3A6819; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:16:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2831F3A6819 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:16:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.485 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.485 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.114, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8ENqXSn+XrRA for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328A73A63EC for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m5UFH4jd018758Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:17:04 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KDL7n-000LgO-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:17:03 +0100 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:17:03 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Lawrence Conroy Message-ID: <20080630151703.GV45239@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627124511.GD99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <171b01c8d85e$a5d4a0c0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <4DCA5128-C6F5-4F27-8570-AC00C9867333@insensate.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DCA5128-C6F5-4F27-8570-AC00C9867333@insensate.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Lawrence Conroy said: > Let me get this straight - this whole thing is being developed because > some historical choices by a Regulator in the UK covering freephone > numbers means that there are numbers in that range with two different > lengths? It's not just that case. The Austrian numbering plan has related issues, if I'm understanding correctly. And no doubt other countries too. > This is not an ENUM issue - it's a general issue with that particular > part of that country's number plan. It's also an issue of how to get dial plan information out to everyone who might possibly need it. That needs to be a pull system, not a push one, since there will be far too many potential users to keep a master list; we don't even know who all those users might be. It needs to allow for delegated databases rather than requiring a single authoritative source who has to update everything, since we don't know how often updates will happen (often in Austria, I believe). It ought to allow for cacheing. And it ought not to require everything to be downloaded again just because one leaf of the tree has changed. Remind you of anything? -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 08:52:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFFF3A68D0; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:52:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545823A6932 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:52:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.105, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WPwHaKtPhEMZ for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.56.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F309B3A67FA for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from finch-staff-1.server.demon.net (finch-staff-1.server.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by anchor-internal-1.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id m5UF4IpP009042Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:04:19 GMT Received: from clive by finch-staff-1.server.demon.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KDKjn-000LAl-00; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:52:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:52:15 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" To: Brian Rosen Message-ID: <20080630145215.GT45239@finch-staff-1.thus.net> References: <125801c8d613$31117710$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <126501c8d616$098c8dd0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <127501c8d61c$0e05ab20$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <127501c8d61c$0e05ab20$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Brian Rosen said: > In your example, the enum client is in a proxy server. The proxy server is > trying to route a call. Your solution is to hit enum with some query (not > clear to me how you decide when to start trying, since you at least need to > decode the country code, and may be decoding more than that). You then get > back send-n. That tells you how many digits to get, but it's very likely > that you will have to repeat it i.e., you start with the country code, you > get back the minimum number of digits. You query again, and you probably > get back the right number. Perhaps. See below. > Worst case is you are really dumb and you send a single digit. You get back > "send 10" for CC1 or send 1 for nearly every other case. You then send 2 > digits and then you would get some number of digits for a minimal TN in a 2 > digit country code, or you would get send 1 (for a 3 digit country code). > For the 3 digit case, you query again with one more digit and you get the > minimum number of digits (as with the second call in the 2 digit CC). You > query again with that number of digits and you either get an answer or some > more send-n. This continues, each time you have to query the database. Yes, modulo cacheing of DNS records. However, if you're calling a number in Oxford from the US, there will be four lookups for a 5-digit number (+4, +44, +441865xxx, +441865xxxxx), and five for a 6-digit number. If you're calling London, Cambridge, or much of the UK, there will be four lookups. I actually expect the proxy to have a *very* simple dial plan built in to it. For the UK, this would be something like: (1) Same-area call (first digit is 2 to 9): collect N digits, prefix the local area code, and do a lookup. The value of N will depend on the area that the proxy is located in, but will be between 4 and 8. In most areas this will collect the correct number of digits for the call; in some, it will require another digit or two. (2) National call (first two digits are 01 to 09): collect N digits, replace the 0 by +44, and do a lookup. N is either always 8 or is {9, 11, 11, -, 10, -, 11, 8, 11} based on the second digit. In most cases this will be the correct length or will give a SEND-N record giving the correct length; in a few cases it might be necessary to fetch a second SEND-N record on the way. (3) International call (first two digits are 00): collect 5 digits (or possibly more; is there a minimum length for E.164 numbers?). Replace 00 by + and do a lookup. How many more fetches are done will depend on the number plan and database contents for the destination country. > I claim there is no significant difference between the two solutions for an > overlapped dialing device. They get to the same result with about the same > amount of effort. Huh? How is 4 lookups "about the same" as 11? > Probably my solution uses more memory, but so what. I > claim that my solution is much better for a non-overlapped dialing device. I wonder if I'm misunderstanding your solution. Perhaps you can explain it fully. > You came here with a problem many of us recognize as a real problem: how > does any entity know how many digits it takes to get a routable TN? We > agree; that's a problem worth solving. Good. > You have a solution in mind to that > problem. I'm arguing it's not a good solution for everyone with the > problem. You seem to agree, but you like your solution for the overlapped > dialing case. I'm suggesting that we are better off solving this problem > for both overlapped and non-overlapped dialing devices using one mechanism. I'm not clear what the problem is for non-overlapped devices. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: | Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 Internet Expert | Home: | Fax: +44 870 051 9937 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | Mobile: +44 7973 377646 THUS plc | | _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 09:07:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF3F3A685D; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:07:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD963A685D for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:07:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ezqGOQMcj1KK for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF053A67FA for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from denic.de ([10.122.65.99]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KDLvB-0007s2-D2; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:08:05 +0200 Received: by unknown.office.denic.de (Postfix, from userid 501) id BF911770BEC; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:08:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:08:05 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF ENUM WG Message-ID: <20080630160805.GK487@unknown.office.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: IETF ENUM WG References: <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> <20080629132325.GA23998@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Ray, > [btw, the original reasoning for using relative rather than absolute was > to avoid the need to regenerate the RRs if a portion of the number space > gets moved into a new prefix of different length] understood. Since that is an optimization for a provisioning issue of - to me - unclear frequency of occurence, would much be lost with using the absolute value only? Also, since you mention renumbering, is this mostly aimed at PBX installations? Would your model envision those number ranges to be delegated out of the I-ENUM tree? > IP-based Next Generation Networks will in general use I-ENUM. If we > assume that to support overlapped dialling those networks do lookups on > partial numbers (as is the plan in the UK) then "Send-N" is simply an > optimisation method in those circumstances. Well, yes, but the check for "partial" vs. "full" number need not happen within ENUM then. > It's not the "Send-N" part that's incompatible with DDDS, it's the partial > number lookups. As I understand it the requirement to only do full number > lookups in RFC3761 is there purely for performance reasons. Personally I > think it's too strong, and that standards shouldn't put "MUST" in unless > something would break if the rule was broken. >From the DDDS perspective partial numbers would just not resolve. "Send-N" piggybacks info on top of "does not resolve" and starts a new DDDS resolution cycle. That's not too sound IMHO. "Send-N" stuffs lots of metadata in the tree that I think doesn't belong there. > Use of "Send-N" reduces the query load substantially (see below) and also > eliminates the need for inter-digit timeouts, which substantially improves > the end-user experience. Inter-digit timeouts, as far as I understand, would bite the dialing customer at the end of their dialing process because only after the timer's expiration would the full number be submitted to the ENUM lookup mechanism. But since the human can't dial at light speed - where's the gain in terms of latency over just querying after each digit pressed? > Per-dip charges aren't an issue in the UK model as each carrier is allowed > (indeed expected) to secondary portions of the number space into DNS > servers on their own network. That's exactly what I hear, too. So, why would RTT latency matter? > > Yes, if all you have is TXT, you don't need any differentiation. > > Sorry Peter, I don't understand that comment. Apologies. NAPTR is becoming the TXT RR for enum; everything can be put in there so conveniently, especially using "data" type URIs. That's not what NAPTR was designed for. And the fact that NAPTR is asked for and thus this metadata can be sent by way of NAPTR appears more a bug than a feature to me. There were reasons that Patrik's earlier draft for 3761bis actually had service specific discriminators. > In the authoritative server they'd probably be created as the zone is > populated rather than in real-time. I'll rephrase that. In secondaries > they'd be part of the IXFR data, just like any other RR. OK, so "sythesized automatically" would be comparable to the way NSEC or NSEC3 RRs are built: not manual, but they become part of the normal zone data (not completely true for NSEC3, but different story). Thanks for the clarification. > > If it is really necessary to apply the proposed optimization, > > it might be time now to re-think the applicability of "ENUM > > technology" for the I-ENUM problem space, go back to the drawing > > board and come up wi a solution that is less dependent on DNS. > > I believe it's too late for that. The NGNs are already well on the road > to using I-ENUM. I'm sorry, but your proposal is only one in a line of "tiny optimizations" needed for the "perfect fit" of "ENUM technology", or DNS in general, for the LUF/LRF problem. That could be perceived as a big "wrong way" sign on that road. -Peter _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 09:27:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006D43A6886; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:27:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200173A6886 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:27:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.591 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.591 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id APVnu23HsQ3x for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.nominet.org.uk (mx3.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD36A3A67B6 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:27:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Subject: MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack: Content-Type; b=38kaq4e2rVwLckDmecDJ31htDka8WEznBHw8yS9nWJx3EtNnDBJSkyrC pwPu5Tq1h0zbVm5J7OheSSEJwoAYdtIsUX3GZqSk0wQdhtGtHXzwygKE5 knXc11TX0BbpczA; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1214843235; x=1246379235; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Re:=20[Enum ]=20Send-N=20draft:=20draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02=20publi shed|Date:=20Mon,=2030=20Jun=202008=2017:27:10=20+0100 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20enum@ietf.org |MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<20080630160805.GK487 @unknown.office.denic.de>|References:=20<48657FC5.2010205 @e164.org>=09=0D=0A=09<20080629132325.GA 23998@x27.adm.denic.de>=09=20<2008063016 0805.GK487@unknown.office.denic.de>; bh=jw5mHNEYKWsIN4uKnFbPYkRRfI9CZMOuF0CpeP4CGaE=; b=siz/I2JgvaxF5VrPpIX8rAtLuvrjFEbudYT7GmVON+AAScUwfcdUNWPB ei2yRUTcEeyBUqPmdHDMSBN/wPCpDzqgw9KxflMQhB83wOSTmd1Z1HC5H o4kfR6HbI7EjZCL; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,727,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="4622778" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 30 Jun 2008 17:27:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080630160805.GK487@unknown.office.denic.de> References: <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> <20080629132325.GA23998@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080630160805.GK487@unknown.office.denic.de> To: enum@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build VMac_Beta85_20080115_MM2 January 15, 2008 Message-ID: From: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:27:10 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 30/06/2008 05:27:12 PM, Serialize complete at 30/06/2008 05:27:12 PM Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org > understood. Since that is an optimization for a provisioning issue of > - to me - unclear frequency of occurence, would much be lost with using > the absolute value only? Personally I'm not sure. Clive thinks relative is useful. > Also, since you mention renumbering, is this mostly aimed at PBX > installations? No, at carrier level switches. > Would your model envision those number ranges to be delegated out of the > I-ENUM tree? It's theoretically possible, but not expected. > From the DDDS perspective partial numbers would just not resolve. > "Send-N" piggybacks info on top of "does not resolve" and starts a new > DDDS resolution cycle. That's not too sound IMHO. I've been trying to break apart the confusion between overlapped dialling and Send-N. It's the former that starts a new DDDS resolution cycle. The latter shortens the number of times it might happen. > "Send-N" stuffs lots of metadata in the tree that I think doesn't > belong there. As a DNS guy, do you see any mileage in Eleanor McHugh's suggestion of an RR that could represent tree-depth information in *any* DNS tree? > Inter-digit timeouts, as far as I understand, would bite the dialing customer > at the end of their dialing process because only after the timer's > expiration would the full number be submitted to the ENUM lookup mechanism. > But since the human can't dial at light speed - where's the gain in terms > of latency over just querying after each digit pressed? Yes, for the user it's the final digit time-out. When should the switch decide "enough is enough, it's time to try an ENUM lookup"? For the server it's a potential 5-fold reduction in the number of queries. If your switches are doing this lookup for every telephone call that's a *lot* of queries saved. > Apologies. NAPTR is becoming the TXT RR for enum; everything can be put > in there so conveniently, especially using "data" type URIs. That's not > what NAPTR was designed for. And the fact that NAPTR is asked for and thus > this metadata can be sent by way of NAPTR appears more a bug than a feature > to me. Ah, yes. I was advised that the "pstndata" Enumservice and URI scheme had been devised specifically to mitigate the way that people were making up arbitrary "data:," URI formats or otherwise sticking stuff in TXT records. Hence why this draft draws on Richard's stuff in the CNAM draft. > I'm sorry, but your proposal is only one in a line of "tiny optimizations" > needed for the "perfect fit" of "ENUM technology", or DNS in general, > for the LUF/LRF problem. That could be perceived as a big "wrong way" > sign on that road. For the UK NGN standards, this is about as far as DNS goes. The LUF/LRF is still going to be done with bilateral interconnect agreements. Ray _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 10:28:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233AC3A68E0; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:28:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2868C3A68E0 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:28:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.364 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.364 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.409, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Os+7YpozqE1n for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EEF3A6807 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3201.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C220A7000086; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:28:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Codalogic (user-5440fcb9.wfd81a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.252.185]) by mwinf3201.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 8DBF17000082; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:28:36 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080630172836580.8DBF17000082@mwinf3201.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <002f01c8dad6$b9bee0d0$ea00a8c0@Codalogic> From: "Pete Cordell" To: , References: <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> <20080629132325.GA23998@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080630160805.GK487@unknown.office.denic.de> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:28:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org ----- Original Message From: >> understood. Since that is an optimization for a provisioning issue of >> - to me - unclear frequency of occurence, would much be lost with using >> the absolute value only? > > Personally I'm not sure. Clive thinks relative is useful. >From what I understand of this issue, the relative form of send-n just does not seem worth the grief. It's already been said that the zone files (or what ever the preferred DNS input will be) will be automatically generated by some sort of automated process such as a script. So, pre-number move at some point a script will be used to generate a set of zone files. When the new number plan comes along it seems just as easy to re-build a new set of zones based on the new number plan using the same script. I'm probably looking at it too simplistically, but, because a script can so readily generate a zone file for any given input, the only benefit I can see for the relative form is that it allows someone to manually tweak an existing zone. (What would they do? Copy an existing set, and then edit the $ORGIN line?) This seems bad practice to me. Ideally there would be some authorative data set that was the input to the scripts and the whole process would be automated. So the pros and cons of the relative form seem to be:- Benefits of keeping relative form: - Might use less (disk) space (although I don't think so). - Easy to migrate an existing number prefix to another one without re-running a script. Benefits of getting rid of relative form: - (disk) space is not that important. - Avoids encouraging bad practice of tweaking output of script processes. - Gets rid of the wildcard issue (I'm still don't understand whether this is a real issue, but as a minimum it saves list bandwidth!) - Means clients have only one type of result to process (absolute) rather than two (which requires more testing etc). So, when a number plan does change (of the sort I'm used to in the UK anyway), knocking up another set of zones seems a trivially unimportant thing to optimize compared to all the other things that have to happen when such a change takes place (such as informing all the users, re-printing directories, installing IVRs that say "we'll route you this time, but in future you should dial this number..." and so on). I would therefore strongly encourage the authors to drop the relative form of send-n. Regards, Pete. -- ============================================= Pete Cordell Codalogic ============================================= _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 12:44:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EB23A688F; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:44:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6853A688F for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:44:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_BLUEYON=1.4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Gbiam8zmRLX for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961CA3A6812 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KDPIg-000898-6H for enum@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:44:34 +0100 Received: from [77.103.38.46] (helo=games-with-brains.net) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1KDPIf-0003pf-OM for enum@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:44:33 +0100 Received: from [192.168.123.46] (unknown [192.168.123.254]) by games-with-brains.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0531A47561 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:47:25 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <484E0A60-CC70-4250-8E5C-FE21CFAF7F6F@games-with-brains.com> From: Eleanor McHugh To: enum@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:44:32 +0100 References: <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> <20080629132325.GA23998@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080630160805.GK487@unknown.office.denic.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org On 30 Jun 2008, at 17:27, Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk wrote: >> Inter-digit timeouts, as far as I understand, would bite the >> dialing customer >> at the end of their dialing process because only after the timer's >> expiration >> would the full number be submitted to the ENUM lookup mechanism. >> But since the human can't dial at light speed - where's the gain in >> terms >> of latency over just querying after each digit pressed? > > Yes, for the user it's the final digit time-out. When should the > switch > decide "enough is enough, it's time to try an ENUM lookup"? For a human user manually entering a telephone number into a traditional handset there's going to be a minimum practical dialling time (approximately 2-3 seconds) following which a further delay of up to 2 seconds is going to be perceptually bearable. The acceptable dialling time is reduced if automation is part of the process, but as long as the call is being placed on behalf of a human those couple of seconds to connect the call are the primary differentiating element between 'good' and 'lousy' service levels. Of course there are also use cases where a human intermediary is connecting the call (PBX or Telco operator assistance or Emergency Service) where the resolution of the second leg has to be perceptually near-instantaneous to match user expectations but I don't know enough about the interplay of ENUM with those services to comment on their relevance to this discussion. >> Apologies. NAPTR is becoming the TXT RR for enum; everything can >> be put >> in there so conveniently, especially using "data" type URIs. >> That's not >> what NAPTR was designed for. And the fact that NAPTR is asked for >> and >> thus this metadata can be sent by way of NAPTR appears more a bug >> than a >> feature to me. > > Ah, yes. I was advised that the "pstndata" Enumservice and URI > scheme had > been devised specifically to mitigate the way that people were > making up > arbitrary "data:," URI formats or otherwise sticking stuff in TXT > records. > Hence why this draft draws on Richard's stuff in the CNAM draft. Storing significant volumes of data directly in NAPTR records as as unwieldy process as doing the same with TXT records thanks to TTLs and payload limitations. Where NAPTRs do shine though is in providing public APIs via URI rewriting for RESTful data services, but that's a whole different discussion. Ellie Eleanor McHugh Games With Brains eleanor@games-with-brains.com _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 15:13:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701843A69BC; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:13:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4845F3A69BC for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:13:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zkVEj6Sfk0yp for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.aus-biz.com (mail.aus-biz.com [208.82.100.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831413A676A for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.100.244] (dsl-48-19.qld1.net.au [125.168.48.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.aus-biz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49B01FF26C; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:13:09 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <48695A5D.5020308@e164.org> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:12:45 +1000 From: Duane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Clive D.W. Feather" References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627124511.GD99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <171b01c8d85e$a5d4a0c0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <4DCA5128-C6F5-4F27-8570-AC00C9867333@insensate.co.uk> <20080630151703.GV45239@finch-staff-1.thus.net> In-Reply-To: <20080630151703.GV45239@finch-staff-1.thus.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org, Lawrence Conroy Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > It's also an issue of how to get dial plan information out to everyone who > might possibly need it. That needs to be a pull system, not a push one, > since there will be far too many potential users to keep a master list; we > don't even know who all those users might be. It needs to allow for > delegated databases rather than requiring a single authoritative source who > has to update everything, since we don't know how often updates will happen > (often in Austria, I believe). It ought to allow for cacheing. And it ought > not to require everything to be downloaded again just because one leaf of > the tree has changed. > > Remind you of anything? Yup, BGP -- Best regards, Duane _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 15:19:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ECF3A6A4D; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:19:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CC03A6A4D for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:19:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wYCSTW1RjDUM for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.aus-biz.com (mail.aus-biz.com [208.82.100.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F0F3A6951 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.100.244] (dsl-48-19.qld1.net.au [125.168.48.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.aus-biz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E01FFF26C; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:19:42 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <48695BE6.6020905@e164.org> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:19:18 +1000 From: Duane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Clive D.W. Feather" References: <486565C3.2070509@e164.org> <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> <20080630145108.GS45239@finch-staff-1.thus.net> In-Reply-To: <20080630145108.GS45239@finch-staff-1.thus.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Cc: enum@ietf.org, Roy Arends Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > The same happens if you put an A record at a higher level. So don't do that. Only if you request ANY/ALL, if you specifically request NAPTR it shouldn't, which is why someone else suggested you make a new DNS type to store send-n against then naptr wouldn't break except for the case where someone requested ANY/ALL > And the response will fail to demonstrate that a wildcard was used. I'm sorry that I couldn't show a bind zone file, however bind just didn't scale for us and I was trying to show live/real data, we ended up coding our own software and using a DB4 backend and a copy and paste from it would have made even less sense. -- Best regards, Duane _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 15:37:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3053A6A4D; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:37:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2A93A6A93 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.077 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.077 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.573, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_57=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kCwpA2XMIchA for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.schlyter.se (trinitario.schlyter.se [195.47.254.10]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370553A6951 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from core.dnss.ec (core.dnss.ec [82.94.105.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: roy) by mail.schlyter.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4945B2D4D2; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:37:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by core.dnss.ec (PGP Universal service); Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:37:10 +0200 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by core.dnss.ec on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:37:10 +0200 Message-Id: From: Roy Arends To: Duane In-Reply-To: <48695BE6.6020905@e164.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:36:58 +0200 References: <486565C3.2070509@e164.org> <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> <20080630145108.GS45239@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <48695BE6.6020905@e164.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: enum@ietf.org, "Clive D.W. Feather" Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org On Jul 1, 2008, at 12:19 AM, Duane wrote: > Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > >> The same happens if you put an A record at a higher level. So don't >> do that. > > Only if you request ANY/ALL, if you specifically request NAPTR it > shouldn't, which is why someone else suggested you make a new DNS type > to store send-n against then naptr wouldn't break except for the case > where someone requested ANY/ALL Regardless of the type at the higher name, simply the existence of a name will cause wildcards not to expand for that name. As an example using the following records: bob.harry.example TXT test *.example NAPTR [whatever] Will cause the following queries NOT to result in a wildcard expansion: example NAPTR harry.example NAPTR bob.harry.example NAPTR john.bob.harry.example NAPTR All these will lead to NODATA errors (RCODE=0 plus empty answer section) Regards, Roy _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 15:41:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8DE3A6AB0; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:41:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859EE3A6AB0 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:41:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JPZsZNzjbRHK for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.aus-biz.com (mail.aus-biz.com [208.82.100.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BB23A6A93 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.100.244] (dsl-48-19.qld1.net.au [125.168.48.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.aus-biz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B852FF26C; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:41:29 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <48696100.9050609@e164.org> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:41:04 +1000 From: Duane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roy Arends References: <486565C3.2070509@e164.org> <48657FC5.2010205@e164.org> <20080630145108.GS45239@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <48695BE6.6020905@e164.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Cc: enum@ietf.org, "Clive D.W. Feather" Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org Roy Arends wrote: > On Jul 1, 2008, at 12:19 AM, Duane wrote: > >> Clive D.W. Feather wrote: >> >>> The same happens if you put an A record at a higher level. So don't >>> do that. >> >> Only if you request ANY/ALL, if you specifically request NAPTR it >> shouldn't, which is why someone else suggested you make a new DNS type >> to store send-n against then naptr wouldn't break except for the case >> where someone requested ANY/ALL > > Regardless of the type at the higher name, simply the existence of a > name will cause wildcards not to expand for that name. Right so they should look into developing a proper routing protocol, something like BGP, which would give smart switches a complete view of the dial plan and then wouldn't need to send out dns queries and rely on third party systems being available since the information could be cached locally until an update arrived changing some routing information. -- Best regards, Duane _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 30 17:45:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-enum-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3F33A6B41; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:45:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DCA3A6B3B for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:45:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b-QcXJecyzF5 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.aus-biz.com (mail.aus-biz.com [208.82.100.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60EC3A6B5E for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.100.244] (dsl-48-19.qld1.net.au [125.168.48.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.aus-biz.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 18A5CFF26C; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:45:39 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <48697E18.80701@e164.org> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:45:12 +1000 From: Duane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Shockey References: <124501c8d60c$4a73bdf0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <20080627124511.GD99368@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <171b01c8d85e$a5d4a0c0$bf320446@cis.neustar.com> <4DCA5128-C6F5-4F27-8570-AC00C9867333@insensate.co.uk> <20080630151703.GV45239@finch-staff-1.thus.net> <48695A5D.5020308@e164.org> <034101c8db03$6531da90$2f958fb0$@us> In-Reply-To: <034101c8db03$6531da90$2f958fb0$@us> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Cc: Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk, enum@ietf.org, 'Lawrence Conroy' , "'Clive D.W. Feather'" Subject: Re: [Enum] Send-N draft: draft-bellis-enum-send-n-02 published X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0688533128==" Sender: enum-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0688533128== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig236F7D507CD4405B0FEA3B88" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig236F7D507CD4405B0FEA3B88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard Shockey wrote: > Yea and we all know where TRIP went ...=20 TRIP wasn't just about routing though. If all you are broadcasting is prefix lengths then there should be no issue, if you want to start introducing all kinds of complexity and other additional information such as price updates for routes then that is a different issue altogether. --=20 Best regards, Duane --------------enig236F7D507CD4405B0FEA3B88 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIaX4YEpWoZMmo/c8RAhN1AJ9MmipYKZnj//nwKDR65Lp0LhSERACghGse MrsxrFbu7sEpMVt1oXhuGKE= =3ZkN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig236F7D507CD4405B0FEA3B88-- --===============0688533128== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum --===============0688533128==--