From richard@shockey.us Fri Sep 4 12:48:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683DE3A68AA for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:48:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.155, BAYES_20=-0.74, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7W-KhsFDrvPd for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outbound-mail-13.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-13.bluehost.com [69.89.18.113]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F4763A687F for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25104 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2009 19:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box462.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.62) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2009 19:48:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=shockey.us; h=Received:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-Identified-User; b=dGIr4aKcWfz5yd5/Jc2W34E0eroEkLdQIR8G1JMqJfSDanogmW8MBBvhJPMe/+q1Lh680rah5XqZOoNrwRVTSDouIzz4Ss0Iw4eGwPifgfz03QeMa7FhxlrZLDHjV6gQ; Received: from pool-173-66-69-164.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.66.69.164] helo=rshockeyPC) by box462.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MjelU-0005D7-VR; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:48:09 -0600 From: "Richard Shockey" To: Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:48:00 -0400 Message-ID: <019301ca2d98$9cd1bb30$d6753190$@us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcotmJul/yWX4ZKMQvCetn09maA3Gw== Content-Language: en-us X-Identified-User: {3286:box462.bluehost.com:shockeyu:shockey.us} {sentby:smtp auth 173.66.69.164 authed with richard+shockey.us} Cc: 'Alexander Mayrhofer' , 'Cullen Jennings' , =?iso-8859-1?Q?'Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m'?= , rjsparks@nostrum.com Subject: [Enum] Closing down the ENUM WG - Action Items X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:48:53 -0000 It is the opinion of the ENUM Working Group chairs that the ENUM WG should declare victory and close down as soon as practically possible certainly before IETF 76 in Hiroshima. We have nothing more to do. Alex has been working on a report of the current documents left in the IESG queue and he can post that as soon as he gets some more information available from perspective authors. Of course, the chairs recommend to the AD's that the ENUM WG list be kept open since there will need to be clarifications or comments on existing documents in the queue that we will need to address but that does not require the WG itself to exist. Any problems with this? Richard Shockey PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683 skype/AIM: rshockey101 LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/rshockey101 From fluffy@cisco.com Wed Sep 9 13:01:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08473A680C for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:01:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id veqH12hgtZiq for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAE23A6963 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:01:22 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAFump0qrR7PD/2dsb2JhbADGH4hDAZBdBYQY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,359,1249257600"; d="scan'208";a="203129924" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Sep 2009 20:01:55 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n89K1tbH027622 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:01:55 -0700 Received: from [192.168.4.177] (rcdn-fluffy-8711.cisco.com [10.99.9.18]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n89K1sAD004846 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:01:55 GMT Message-Id: <2E7945C8-D55F-4C0E-83EC-71243832D522@cisco.com> From: Cullen Jennings To: enum@ietf.org Impp: xmpp:cullenfluffyjennings@jabber.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:01:54 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=131; t=1252526515; x=1253390515; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fluffy@cisco.com; z=From:=20Cullen=20Jennings=20 |Subject:=20draft-ietf-enum-unused |Sender:=20; bh=4Rf+yAgr0FnSvD38FBmp+aJ8XBhnZI+uFRc6ggypzQ0=; b=vjbugHG7k8Bvy5Tr4ZRM1373D7nx0Wy6q0RyioX9WJa2Yytmnd4W3V4Og5 VYEzcSNb0YTmvyy586xhjr8PID+AfJNYxrabVeygUoZBYSLpRKiXUbhmSP3O xQ4ShGKpoA; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=fluffy@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Subject: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:01:22 -0000 Who is working on this draft these days? I need someone to remind me of the painful history of this draft. Thanks, Cullen From richard@shockey.us Wed Sep 9 13:13:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642CB3A690A for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:13:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.222 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.222 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.371, BAYES_40=-0.185, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id teytJqzM-Kbn for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outbound-mail-01.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-01.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 13AD028C23B for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26580 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2009 20:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box462.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.62) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2009 20:14:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=shockey.us; h=Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-Identified-User; b=EDBS+59flOkABrpkB1V/i5dl/br1kYge0QNNNZ4pNkXBFwn+s20hYk6iCznaV0c57iqruOfJ8zVysXMS39/Lq/tmQZL871WkLHk2NyDyyGZSI6BZ670UBAuS4hF9tIo1; Received: from pool-173-66-69-164.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.66.69.164] helo=rshockeyPC) by box462.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlTYa-0006B5-2W; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:14:20 -0600 From: "Richard Shockey" To: "'Cullen Jennings'" , References: <2E7945C8-D55F-4C0E-83EC-71243832D522@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <2E7945C8-D55F-4C0E-83EC-71243832D522@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:14:08 -0400 Message-ID: <027f01ca318a$17307520$45915f60$@us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcoxiGJrzytCD5CDTfWRmm4P0YZdqwAAVvag Content-Language: en-us X-Identified-User: {3286:box462.bluehost.com:shockeyu:shockey.us} {sentby:smtp auth 173.66.69.164 authed with richard+shockey.us} Subject: Re: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:13:50 -0000 How painful do you want to go ... the problem statement is pretty simple how do you know if a number has been issued to the carrier but not active or has any services associated with it. The SIT tone issue. The ENUM database needs a flag to indicate the status of the number. > -----Original Message----- > From: enum-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:enum-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Cullen Jennings > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:02 PM > To: enum@ietf.org > Subject: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused > > > Who is working on this draft these days? I need someone to remind me > of the painful history of this draft. > > Thanks, Cullen > > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From richard@shockey.us Wed Sep 9 13:18:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982083A680C for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:18:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.656 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.656 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.120, BAYES_05=-1.11, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UJCdrjTJiS2U for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outbound-mail-156.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-156.bluehost.com [67.222.39.36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 164B33A6984 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7067 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2009 20:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box462.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.62) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2009 20:19:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=shockey.us; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-Identified-User; b=JVuO1UHVPEp9dLK62e3fTk/OE+SkEUYKCa80upp+PXTR7FQIaTO3/sBtFer9seS64U6ffG4uOmFqzBk0Q4FSqQkQE4XO3xVuU1Wdnrq/4OLqRlbJK+gSSlwq9kF5f/sO; Received: from pool-173-66-69-164.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.66.69.164] helo=rshockeyPC) by box462.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlTdb-0001RE-44 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:19:31 -0600 From: "Richard Shockey" To: Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:19:19 -0400 Message-ID: <028101ca318a$d093b770$71bb2650$@us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acoxis/pghnv+ZEIQlOeG5A9PLwJfQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Identified-User: {3286:box462.bluehost.com:shockeyu:shockey.us} {sentby:smtp auth 173.66.69.164 authed with richard+shockey.us} Subject: [Enum] ENUM WG document status X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:18:59 -0000 Alex has kindly put together a list of document in the IESG queue and some related issues. If there are any comments here let us know. IETF ENUM WG document status ============================ Alex Mayrhofer Overview: --------- basis for this report is http://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/?&search_filename=enum and some background information gathered from various places and authors.. draft-ietf-enum-3761bis ----------------------- current status: Waiting for AD Go-Ahead Open issues: There seems to be one misleading part in the text, that says: Delegations in the zone e164.arpa (not delegations in delegated domains of e164.arpa) should be done after Expert Review, and the IESG will appoint a designated expert. IANA has a respective comment here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/draft-ietf-enum-3761bis/comment/96731/ ToDo: Clarify IANA comment, probably create new revision solving that issue, As ADs for progressing the document draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-transition --------------------------------------- Current status: Publication Requested Open Issues: This draft has dependencies on the "calendar" ENUMservices (which are currently in AUTH48) - the "calendar" issue needs to be resolved before this draft can progress. ToDo: Clarify "calendar" issues, then modify that draft accordingly. draft-ietf-enum-edns0 --------------------- Current status: Publication requested - Revised ID needed Open Issues: ?? ToDO: ?? draft-ietf-enum-iax ------------------- Current status: AD Evaluation - External Party Open Issues: There is a web link to the IANA URI scheme registration site in the draft, and that was commented on in the Gen-ART review. Full comment is here: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gen-art/current/msg04160.html ToDo: Address Gen-ART comment, resubmit draft. draft-ietf-enum-unused ---------------------- Current status: AD Evaluation - revised ID needed Open Issues: The PROTO writeup for the draft is missing (comment from Cullen Jennings). The "revised ID needed" status exists since 2008 - As far as i remember this was because of concerns regarding the "application level interaction" with the properties of DNS? ToDo: ?? draft-ietf-enum-cnam -------------------- Current status: Waiting for Writeup - Revised ID needed Todo: ?? (Rich?) On my list ... draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-guide ---------------------------------- Current Status: Waiting for AD Go-Ahead Open issues: There's a problem with the IETF's Expert Review Process in general, and the Enumservices draft is the document that brought those problems up :-/ Bernie has agreed with IANA (Michelle) to add a bit to the text that closes the loophole in the process. He will submit a new version, and that will hopefully close that issue. ToDo: Wait for new revision (-17) draft-ietf-enum-calendar-service -------------------------------- Current Status: RFC Editor (AUTH48) Open Issues: Unfortunately, this draft was submitted to the RFC Editor before work on the Enumservices document was finished - the Enumservice does not fit at all into the Scheme proposed there. There were several discussions between RFC Editors, authors of the draft, and authors of the Enumservices guide, without reaching the "perfect solution". ToDo: Find solution how to fit Enumservice into the scheme developed in Enumservice guide. Richard Shockey PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683 skype/AIM: rshockey101 LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/rshockey101 From bernie@ietf.hoeneisen.ch Wed Sep 9 13:42:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2203A6A2E for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:42:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28a0H2656bkP for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from softronics.hoeneisen.ch (softronics.hoeneisen.ch [62.2.86.178]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A0E3A6984 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by softronics.hoeneisen.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlU0g-0001Fv-BR; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:43:22 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:43:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@softronics.hoeneisen.ch To: Richard Shockey In-Reply-To: <027f01ca318a$17307520$45915f60$@us> Message-ID: References: <2E7945C8-D55F-4C0E-83EC-71243832D522@cisco.com> <027f01ca318a$17307520$45915f60$@us> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: bernie@ietf.hoeneisen.ch X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on softronics.hoeneisen.ch); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: 'Cullen Jennings' , IETF ENUM list Subject: Re: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:42:55 -0000 Hi Rich AFAICT Cullen's question refers to the pain around points raised by the former AD leading to the editor stepping down. I found something concering this in the records: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/enum/minutes?item=minutes71.html However, I found no records about what happened afterwards.... cheers, Bernie On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, Richard Shockey wrote: > How painful do you want to go ... the problem statement is pretty simple how > do you know if a number has been issued to the carrier but not active or has > any services associated with it. The SIT tone issue. The ENUM database needs > a flag to indicate the status of the number. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: enum-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:enum-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >> Of Cullen Jennings >> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:02 PM >> To: enum@ietf.org >> Subject: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused >> >> >> Who is working on this draft these days? I need someone to remind me >> of the painful history of this draft. >> >> Thanks, Cullen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> enum mailing list >> enum@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > From bernie@ietf.hoeneisen.ch Wed Sep 9 13:54:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D25D3A67AF for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:54:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EM6zt50achi6 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from softronics.hoeneisen.ch (softronics.hoeneisen.ch [62.2.86.178]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D841428C105 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by softronics.hoeneisen.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlUBR-0001H8-Og; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:54:29 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:54:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@softronics.hoeneisen.ch To: Richard Shockey In-Reply-To: <028101ca318a$d093b770$71bb2650$@us> Message-ID: References: <028101ca318a$d093b770$71bb2650$@us> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: bernie@ietf.hoeneisen.ch X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on softronics.hoeneisen.ch); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: IETF ENUM list Subject: Re: [Enum] ENUM WG document status X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:54:03 -0000 Hi Rich Thanks for the summary. My comments/updates inline. On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, Richard Shockey wrote: > draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-guide > ---------------------------------- > > Current Status: Waiting for AD Go-Ahead > > Open issues: There's a problem with the IETF's Expert Review Process in > general, and the Enumservices draft is the document that brought those > problems up :-/ That is unfortunately true....:-( > Bernie has agreed with IANA (Michelle) to add a bit to the text that > closes the loophole in the process. He will submit a new version, and that > will hopefully close that issue. > > ToDo: Wait for new revision (-17) Update: We could close all the open issues and published -17 three weeks ago. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-guide-17 > draft-ietf-enum-calendar-service > -------------------------------- > > Current Status: RFC Editor (AUTH48) > > Open Issues: Unfortunately, this draft was submitted to the RFC Editor > before work on the Enumservices document was finished - the Enumservice > does not fit at all into the Scheme proposed there. There were several > discussions between RFC Editors, authors of the draft, and authors of > the Enumservices guide, without reaching the "perfect solution". > > ToDo: Find solution how to fit Enumservice into the scheme developed in > Enumservice guide. Update: The issues have been closed and RFC 5333 is expected to be published within the next days. cheers, Bernie From lconroy@insensate.co.uk Wed Sep 9 14:55:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C53B3A68B4 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:55:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MANGLED_AVOID=2.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UBWREOmbbO50 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from insensate.co.uk (ghost.insensate.co.uk [213.152.49.121]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6901C3A689F for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by insensate.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA35AC59B; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:56:28 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <96E5297A-F5B6-460C-BFDB-0C99FC8A6850@insensate.co.uk> From: Lawrence Conroy To: Bernie Hoeneisen In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:56:27 +0100 References: <2E7945C8-D55F-4C0E-83EC-71243832D522@cisco.com> <027f01ca318a$17307520$45915f60$@us> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: 'Cullen Jennings' , IETF ENUM list Subject: Re: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:55:57 -0000 Hi Bernie, folks, Pain? Nah! that doesn't cover it. Regarding what happened next, not a lot. I suspect that Hadriel volunteered without quite understanding what was involved. I think by that point Richard Stastny (who initially proposed this) had retired, Hadriel had implemented this in two flavours for customers -- once in accordance to a VOID draft *and* separately in accordance with an Unused draft. (I believe that something not a million miles away from unused was involved with the Korean ENUM trial as well ;). For me, having moved text in and out and up and down so many time I was losing the ability to see, objections to the data: URL (AFAICT ?!? because it was intrinsically evil?!? - ask Rohan) left me unconvinced that with me at the typewriter there would be any possibility of this getting though IESG before *I* retired. As I can't see anything wrong with it at all in its latest version (having replaced the http: URL with a data: URL as requested), I don't know any more. I do know that this works exactly as described in the draft (qua any typos that drifted into it over the years) -- and quite well, at that. Is that enough? all the best, Lawrence On 9 Sep 2009, at 21:43, Bernie Hoeneisen wrote: > Hi Rich > > AFAICT Cullen's question refers to the pain around points raised by > the former AD leading to the editor stepping down. > > I found something concering this in the records: > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/enum/minutes?item=minutes71.html > > However, I found no records about what happened afterwards.... > > cheers, > Bernie > > > On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, Richard Shockey wrote: > >> How painful do you want to go ... the problem statement is pretty >> simple how >> do you know if a number has been issued to the carrier but not >> active or has >> any services associated with it. The SIT tone issue. The ENUM >> database needs >> a flag to indicate the status of the number. >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: enum-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:enum-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >>> Of Cullen Jennings >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:02 PM >>> To: enum@ietf.org >>> Subject: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused >>> >>> >>> Who is working on this draft these days? I need someone to remind me >>> of the painful history of this draft. >>> >>> Thanks, Cullen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> enum mailing list >>> enum@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum >> >> _______________________________________________ >> enum mailing list >> enum@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum >> > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From richard@shockey.us Wed Sep 9 19:10:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0793A6ACB for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:10:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.316 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.316 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.351, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MANGLED_AVOID=2.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WF9IGRz22KJy for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outbound-mail-159.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-159.bluehost.com [67.222.39.39]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A16593A6819 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20232 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2009 02:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box462.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.62) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2009 02:11:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=shockey.us; h=Received:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-Identified-User; b=Gh4t1AejGU0a6XFjcLFzeynFlVxhiSxuaZcKho2C3djFrHkK6dY+igk6IZ/3fD9bljIc3NwJ/DCYggjONWOg2N3yePibliqX6oLpQ9+NjZA2HyefGNw8ygjTDr1Dz1bS; Received: from pool-173-66-69-164.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.66.69.164] helo=rshockeyPC) by box462.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlZ7s-00008u-3k; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:11:08 -0600 From: "Richard Shockey" To: "'Lawrence Conroy'" , "'Bernie Hoeneisen'" , References: <2E7945C8-D55F-4C0E-83EC-71243832D522@cisco.com> <027f01ca318a$17307520$45915f60$@us> <96E5297A-F5B6-460C-BFDB-0C99FC8A6850@insensate.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96E5297A-F5B6-460C-BFDB-0C99FC8A6850@insensate.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:10:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000001ca31bb$eea05210$cbe0f630$@us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcoxmGOkBtA3gljvSyijsxzyzYcc7gAInX2Q Content-Language: en-us X-Identified-User: {3286:box462.bluehost.com:shockeyu:shockey.us} {sentby:smtp auth 173.66.69.164 authed with richard+shockey.us} Cc: 'Cullen Jennings' , 'IETF ENUM list' Subject: Re: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:10:35 -0000 Cullen I ran into this wall myself with CNAM and the lack of clarity within the IESG on what is and is not the appropriate use of the data URI. It seemed obscene that you had to define a new URI for a simple telephony parameter that was pretty well understood. ;NUMBER=UNUSED ?? OK BTW ;USER=FAX You don't want to hear the issues there. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Conroy [mailto:lconroy@insensate.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:56 PM > To: Bernie Hoeneisen > Cc: Richard Shockey; 'Cullen Jennings'; IETF ENUM list > Subject: Re: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused > > Hi Bernie, folks, > Pain? Nah! that doesn't cover it. > Regarding what happened next, not a lot. I suspect that Hadriel > volunteered without quite understanding what was involved. > > I think by that point Richard Stastny (who initially proposed this) > had retired, Hadriel had implemented this in two flavours for > customers -- once in accordance to a VOID draft *and* separately in > accordance with an Unused draft. (I believe that something not a > million miles away from unused was involved with the Korean ENUM trial > as well ;). > For me, having moved text in and out and up and down so many time I > was losing the ability to see, objections to the data: URL (AFAICT ?!? > because it was intrinsically evil?!? - ask Rohan) left me unconvinced > that with me at the typewriter there would be any possibility of this > getting though IESG before *I* retired. > As I can't see anything wrong with it at all in its latest version > (having replaced the http: URL with a data: URL as requested), I don't > know any more. > I do know that this works exactly as described in the draft (qua any > typos that drifted into it over the years) -- and quite well, at that. > > Is that enough? > > all the best, > Lawrence > > On 9 Sep 2009, at 21:43, Bernie Hoeneisen wrote: > > Hi Rich > > > > AFAICT Cullen's question refers to the pain around points raised by > > the former AD leading to the editor stepping down. > > > > I found something concering this in the records: > > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/enum/minutes?item=minutes71.html > > > > However, I found no records about what happened afterwards.... > > > > cheers, > > Bernie > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, Richard Shockey wrote: > > > >> How painful do you want to go ... the problem statement is pretty > >> simple how > >> do you know if a number has been issued to the carrier but not > >> active or has > >> any services associated with it. The SIT tone issue. The ENUM > >> database needs > >> a flag to indicate the status of the number. > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: enum-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:enum-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf > >>> Of Cullen Jennings > >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:02 PM > >>> To: enum@ietf.org > >>> Subject: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused > >>> > >>> > >>> Who is working on this draft these days? I need someone to remind > me > >>> of the painful history of this draft. > >>> > >>> Thanks, Cullen > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> enum mailing list > >>> enum@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> enum mailing list > >> enum@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > enum mailing list > > enum@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From jim@rfc1035.com Thu Sep 10 04:13:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E73328C12C for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:13:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.022, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KvyqPNSWiyCs for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hutch.rfc1035.com (hutch.rfc1035.com [195.54.233.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E66B3A6A0F for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gromit.rfc1035.com (gromit.rfc1035.com [195.54.233.69]) by hutch.rfc1035.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D741E1542060; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:13:50 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <11E021E0-E42B-4FC7-8461-9D453731CA85@rfc1035.com> From: Jim Reid To: Cullen Jennings In-Reply-To: <2E7945C8-D55F-4C0E-83EC-71243832D522@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:13:50 +0100 References: <2E7945C8-D55F-4C0E-83EC-71243832D522@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:13:20 -0000 On 9 Sep 2009, at 21:01, Cullen Jennings wrote: > Who is working on this draft these days? Probably no-one. As Lawrence said, the original authors gave up. There was a limit on the number of times we were prepared to bang our heads on a brick wall. IIRC Hadriel Kaplan and someone else from Acme Packet volunteered to take over the draft at the Philly meeting. It doesn't appear to have progressed since then. > I need someone to remind me of the painful history of this draft. I doubt if those who have been scarred by that experience want to be reminded about it. :-( From richard@stastny.com Thu Sep 10 13:37:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5B428C1BB for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:37:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.643] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JWlAC2fDy6xi for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D1E28C0F4 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cm02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81A0134517; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:37:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.53L) with ESMTP id XID284NiJul47344X02; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:37:54 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN richard@stastny.com cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID284NiJul47344X02 Received: from Unknown-00-23-6c-8d-7e-15.lan [62.47.138.104] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/stastny@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 938NiJul28272M38; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:37:53 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 62.47.138.104 AUTH stastny@usa.net Unknown-00-23-6c-8d-7e-15.lan Message-ID: <4AA9639F.1070208@stastny.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:37:51 +0200 From: Richard Stastny User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Reid References: <2E7945C8-D55F-4C0E-83EC-71243832D522@cisco.com> <11E021E0-E42B-4FC7-8461-9D453731CA85@rfc1035.com> In-Reply-To: <11E021E0-E42B-4FC7-8461-9D453731CA85@rfc1035.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Z-USANET-MsgId: XID938NiJul28272X38 Cc: Cullen Jennings , enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:37:21 -0000 Jim Reid wrote: > > I doubt if those who have been scarred by that experience want to be > reminded about it. :-( > Jim, I fully agree to that Richard From richard@shockey.us Thu Sep 10 14:35:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C9F28C15A for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:35:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.109, BAYES_20=-0.74, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AQb3wtkS2oA5 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcoyVpV82ssBsdcUQzWX3uonnb8LWQACAAcQ Content-Language: en-us X-Identified-User: {3286:box462.bluehost.com:shockeyu:shockey.us} {sentby:smtp auth 173.66.69.164 authed with richard+shockey.us} Cc: 'Cullen Jennings' , enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:35:39 -0000 HI Richard !!!! Wonderful to hear from you again even if it is about a old sore subject!!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: enum-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:enum-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Richard Stastny > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:38 PM > To: Jim Reid > Cc: Cullen Jennings; enum@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Enum] draft-ietf-enum-unused > > Jim Reid wrote: > > > > > I doubt if those who have been scarred by that experience want to be > > reminded about it. :-( > > > > Jim, I fully agree to that > > Richard > > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From root@core3.amsl.com Wed Sep 16 01:45:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@ietf.org Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id EB1A03A68CD; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090916084501.EB1A03A68CD@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: [Enum] I-D Action:draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-transition-03.txt X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:45:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Telephone Number Mapping Working Group of the IETF. Title : Update of legacy IANA Registrations of Enumservices Author(s) : B. Hoeneisen, A. Mayrhofer Filename : draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-transition-03.txt Pages : 68 Date : 2009-09-16 This document revises all Enumservices that were IANA registered under the now obsolete specification of the Enumservice registry defined in [RFC3761]. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-transition-03.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-transition-03.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-09-16014313.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From root@core3.amsl.com Wed Sep 16 02:00:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@ietf.org Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id E5CD03A6A98; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:00:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090916090001.E5CD03A6A98@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: [Enum] I-D Action:draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-guide-18.txt X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:00:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Telephone Number Mapping Working Group of the IETF. Title : IANA Registration of Enumservices: Guide, Template and IANA Considerations Author(s) : B. Hoeneisen, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-guide-18.txt Pages : 46 Date : 2009-09-16 This document specifies a revision of the IANA Registration Guidelines for Enumservices, describes corresponding registration procedures, and provides a guideline for creating Enumservice Specifications. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-guide-18.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-guide-18.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-09-16014633.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From wwwrun@core3.amsl.com Thu Sep 17 10:48:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@ietf.org Delivered-To: enum@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id A94BD3A6992; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:48:34 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Message-Id: <20090917174834.A94BD3A6992@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: [Enum] Last Call: draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-transition (Update of legacy IANA Registrations of Enumservices) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:48:34 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Telephone Number Mapping WG (enum) to consider the following document: - 'Update of legacy IANA Registrations of Enumservices ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2009-10-01. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-enum-enumservices-transition-03.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=18226&rfc_flag=0