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At long last, my AD Review of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-07. My apologies for 
the delay.

First, please don't worry about the length of this message. As long as 
it is, there's nothing earth shattering in here. The number of changes I 
suggest are actually pretty small, but I wanted to give you a good 
explanation of why I suggested them.

So, first an overall comment:

My understanding is that right now, caveat the initial registrations in 
section 4 (more on them in a moment), the things that go into this 
registry are being put there for "informational" purposes. That is, it's 
a place to document the way things are being done now, but not 
indicating any form of endorsement for one way over the other. However, 
my understanding of the purpose of this registry is so that the EPP 
community can, over the long term, harmonize extensions. That is, we 
want folks to register these things so that folks who are developing 
extensions might look and see, "Oh, that one does what I need; I should 
just use that one." Furthermore, over time, folks might decide, "Hey, 
these three extensions do the same thing; let's pick one way of doing 
it." If the community agrees, they can "standardize" that way of doing 
things. That will make life easier on registrars (and everyone for that 
matter) so that folks won't have to implement the same thing multiple 
different ways. I would expect that the way that would happen would be 
to create a IETF Standards Track RFC for those extensions that everyone 
agrees are "*the* way to do this thing".

So it seems to me that, while most of the things expected to be 
registered here are strictly "informational" documents (mostly outside 
of the IETF), we might want to have an extra column in the registry to 
indicate the standards status of the registry entry so that people can 
see if there is a particular item that is standard. It also seems to me 
that if a registration is an IETF Standards Track document, that should 
indicate that it has already gotten sufficient review and therefore the 
Designated Experts don't need to.

So my suggestions are to address this are:

1. In section 3.1.1, add: "If the specification for the registration is 
an IETF Standards Track document, no review is required by the 
Designated Expert."

2. In section 3.2.1:

OLD
    Registrant Name and Email Address: The case-insensitive name and
    email address of the person that is responsible for managing the
    registry entry.
NEW
    Registrant Name and Email Address: The name and email address of the
    person that is responsible for managing the registry entry. If the
    registration is of an IETF Standards Track document, this can simply
    be listed as "IESG <iesg@ietf.org>"

(I don't think you need to specify "case-insensitive" above, especially 
because it doesn't make sense in some languages.)

Also add:

    Document Status: The document status ("Informational", "Standards
    Track", etc.) of the specification document. For documents that are
    not RFCs, this will always be "Informational".

So, getting back to the initial 4 registrations (RFCs 3915, 4114, 5076, 
and 5910): Each of those is currently on the Standards Track. I would 
presume that they would each go into the registry as "Document Status: 
Standards Track", presuming that they've already gotten community 
consensus that they are "*the* way to do this thing". (Otherwise, they 
probably shouldn't have been on the Standards Track in the first place, 
in which case we should probably have a discussion about what to do.)

Does all that make sense?

---

Other more minor comments:

(Overall editorial note: Generally, I find the use of the 2119 language 
in this document unnecessary. We're supposed to use those terms where 
interoperability is needed, and here they just seem a bit overdone. 
Also, I don't think that you need to say things like "'Any' or 'ANY'", 
since if you're going to allow them to be case-insensitive, "AnY" and 
"aNY" and all the other silly ones could also be used. And that said, I 
don't think you need to specify case-insensitive; it's a form that will 
be handled by humans. Just give one example, either in title case or 
upper case, and be done with it.)

3.1, first paragraph, I suggest:

NEW
    This registry uses the "Specification Required" policy described in
    RFC 5226 [RFC5226]. An English language version of the extension
    specification will appear in the registry, though non-English
    versions of the specification can also be provided.  Note that
    Section 2.1 of RFC 3735 [RFC3735] provides specific guidelines for
    documenting EPP extensions.

3.2.1:

OLD
    Specification Location: A URL [RFC3986] that describes the location
    of the specification.

I suspect that won't satisfy IANA, as they generally want a stable 
reference, though they will take a URL if need be. 5226 says:

       Specification Required - Values and their meanings must be
             documented in a permanent and readily available public
             specification [...] The intention behind
             "permanent and readily available" is that a document can
             reasonably be expected to be findable and retrievable long
             after IANA assignment of the requested value.

How about instead simply saying:

NEW
    Reference: A reference to the specification of this extension. This
    could be an RFC number or some other pointer to the document defining
    the extension.

OLD
    TLDs: A case-insensitive text string description of the top-level
    domain (or domains) for which the extension has been specified.
    "Any" or "ANY" MUST be used if the extension is not associated with a
    specific top-level domain.  Multiple TLDs SHOULD be specified as a
    list of domain names separated by commas, e.g. ".com, .net".
    Internationalized Domain Name (IDN) TLDs should be specified in
    A-label [RFC5890] format.

"A case-insensitive text string description of the top-level domain" 
seems weird. First, if we're using A-Labels, we already know they're 
case-insensitive. Second, the string *is* the domain name, isn't it? 
Finally, you should be clear to include the "." at the beginning. How 
about instead:

NEW
    TLDs: A text string containing the top-level domain name (or domains
    names), including the preceding ".", for which the extension has been
    specified (e.g., ".org"). If there are multiple TLDs, they are given
    as a list of domain names separated by commas, (e.g. ".com, .net").
    Internationalized Domain Name (IDN) TLDs should be specified in
    A-label [RFC5890] format. If the extension is not associated with a
    specific top-level domain, the case-insensitive text string "ANY" can
    be used to indicate that.

OLD
    IPR Disclosure: Either "None", "NONE", or a URL that describes the
    location of an IPR disclosure document.  Depending on the type of
    specification the IPR disclosure MAY be filed with the IETF in
    accordance with RFC 3979 [RFC3979] as updated by RFC 4879 [RFC4879].
    Non-IETF IPR disclosures MUST clearly identify the claimed
    intellectual property rights and terms of use.  "None" or "NONE"
    indicates that the extension is freely available for use with no
    claimed intellectual property rights.

That last sentence gave me heartburn. Just because nobody has made a 
disclosure does not mean something is "freely available for use with no 
claimed IPR." How about this:


NEW
    IPR Disclosure: A pointer to any IPR disclosure document(s) related
    to this extension, or "None" if there are no such disclosures.  This
    can be an IPR disclosure filed with the IETF in accordance with RFC
    3979 [RFC3979] as updated by RFC 4879 [RFC4879] if the extension is
    part of an IETF Contribution, or can be other IPR disclosures
    documents identifying the claimed intellectual property rights and
    terms of use for extensions that are not part of an IETF Contribution.

OLD
    Status: Either "Active", "ACTIVE", "Inactive", or "INACTIVE".
NEW
    Status: Either "ACTIVE" or "INACTIVE".

OLD
    Notes: Either "None", "NONE", or other text
NEW
    Notes: Either "NONE" or other text

Change 3.2.2 to agree with the above (and eliminate the MUST and MAY in 
there too).

3.2.3:

OLD
    Each registration form sent to IANA MUST contain a single record for
    incorporation into the registry.  The form will be sent via email to
<iana@iana.org> by the extension registrant.  It MUST have a
    subject...
NEW
    Send each registration form to IANA with a single record for
    incorporation into the registry.  The form will be sent via email to
<iana@iana.org> by the extension registrant, and will have a
    subject...

3.2.4:

OLD
    All changes to existing registry entries MUST be documented with text
    in the "Notes" field of the registration form.  Under normal
    circumstances registry entries MAY only be updated by the registrant.
    If the registrant becomes unavailable or otherwise unresponsive, the
    designated expert MAY submit a registration form to IANA to update
    the registrant information.  Entries MAY change state from "Active"...
NEW
    When submitting changes to existing registry entries, include text in
    the "Notes" field of the registration form describing the change.
    Under normal circumstances, registry entries are only be updated by
    the registrant. If the registrant becomes unavailable or otherwise
    unresponsive, the designated expert can submit a registration form to
    IANA to update the registrant information.  Entries can change state
    from "Active"...

That's it. Let me know what you think. I'll mark the document in the 
tracker as "Revised I-D Needed".

pr

-- 
Pete Resnick<http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/>
Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. - +1 (858)651-4478


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Pete,=0A=
=0A=
I have a few questions related to your suggestion in adding a new "Document=
 Status" element.  =0A=
=0A=
1. What should the value be for a document that is intended to be Standards=
 Track?  I'm assuming that we would want to register drafts that are intend=
ed for Standards Track as they go through the process.    =0A=
2. Will this get confused with the possible values defined in RFC 2026 or s=
hould we use the values as defined in RFC 2026?  =0A=
3. Couldn't the official document status be determined by following the Spe=
cification Location in the case of an IETF document?  For those documents t=
hat are not IETF documents, then following the Specification Location would=
 not provide a document status.  =0A=
=0A=
Thanks,=0A=
=0A=
Jim=0A=
  =0A=
________________________________________=0A=
From: EppExt [eppext-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Pete Resnick [presnick@=
qti.qualcomm.com]=0A=
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 11:16 PM=0A=
To: eppext@ietf.org=0A=
Subject: [eppext] AD Review of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-07=0A=
=0A=
At long last, my AD Review of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-07. My apologies for=0A=
the delay.=0A=
=0A=
First, please don't worry about the length of this message. As long as=0A=
it is, there's nothing earth shattering in here. The number of changes I=0A=
suggest are actually pretty small, but I wanted to give you a good=0A=
explanation of why I suggested them.=0A=
=0A=
So, first an overall comment:=0A=
=0A=
My understanding is that right now, caveat the initial registrations in=0A=
section 4 (more on them in a moment), the things that go into this=0A=
registry are being put there for "informational" purposes. That is, it's=0A=
a place to document the way things are being done now, but not=0A=
indicating any form of endorsement for one way over the other. However,=0A=
my understanding of the purpose of this registry is so that the EPP=0A=
community can, over the long term, harmonize extensions. That is, we=0A=
want folks to register these things so that folks who are developing=0A=
extensions might look and see, "Oh, that one does what I need; I should=0A=
just use that one." Furthermore, over time, folks might decide, "Hey,=0A=
these three extensions do the same thing; let's pick one way of doing=0A=
it." If the community agrees, they can "standardize" that way of doing=0A=
things. That will make life easier on registrars (and everyone for that=0A=
matter) so that folks won't have to implement the same thing multiple=0A=
different ways. I would expect that the way that would happen would be=0A=
to create a IETF Standards Track RFC for those extensions that everyone=0A=
agrees are "*the* way to do this thing".=0A=
=0A=
So it seems to me that, while most of the things expected to be=0A=
registered here are strictly "informational" documents (mostly outside=0A=
of the IETF), we might want to have an extra column in the registry to=0A=
indicate the standards status of the registry entry so that people can=0A=
see if there is a particular item that is standard. It also seems to me=0A=
that if a registration is an IETF Standards Track document, that should=0A=
indicate that it has already gotten sufficient review and therefore the=0A=
Designated Experts don't need to.=0A=
=0A=
So my suggestions are to address this are:=0A=
=0A=
1. In section 3.1.1, add: "If the specification for the registration is=0A=
an IETF Standards Track document, no review is required by the=0A=
Designated Expert."=0A=
=0A=
2. In section 3.2.1:=0A=
=0A=
OLD=0A=
    Registrant Name and Email Address: The case-insensitive name and=0A=
    email address of the person that is responsible for managing the=0A=
    registry entry.=0A=
NEW=0A=
    Registrant Name and Email Address: The name and email address of the=0A=
    person that is responsible for managing the registry entry. If the=0A=
    registration is of an IETF Standards Track document, this can simply=0A=
    be listed as "IESG <iesg@ietf.org>"=0A=
=0A=
(I don't think you need to specify "case-insensitive" above, especially=0A=
because it doesn't make sense in some languages.)=0A=
=0A=
Also add:=0A=
=0A=
    Document Status: The document status ("Informational", "Standards=0A=
    Track", etc.) of the specification document. For documents that are=0A=
    not RFCs, this will always be "Informational".=0A=
=0A=
So, getting back to the initial 4 registrations (RFCs 3915, 4114, 5076,=0A=
and 5910): Each of those is currently on the Standards Track. I would=0A=
presume that they would each go into the registry as "Document Status:=0A=
Standards Track", presuming that they've already gotten community=0A=
consensus that they are "*the* way to do this thing". (Otherwise, they=0A=
probably shouldn't have been on the Standards Track in the first place,=0A=
in which case we should probably have a discussion about what to do.)=0A=
=0A=
Does all that make sense?=0A=
=0A=
---=0A=
=0A=
Other more minor comments:=0A=
=0A=
(Overall editorial note: Generally, I find the use of the 2119 language=0A=
in this document unnecessary. We're supposed to use those terms where=0A=
interoperability is needed, and here they just seem a bit overdone.=0A=
Also, I don't think that you need to say things like "'Any' or 'ANY'",=0A=
since if you're going to allow them to be case-insensitive, "AnY" and=0A=
"aNY" and all the other silly ones could also be used. And that said, I=0A=
don't think you need to specify case-insensitive; it's a form that will=0A=
be handled by humans. Just give one example, either in title case or=0A=
upper case, and be done with it.)=0A=
=0A=
3.1, first paragraph, I suggest:=0A=
=0A=
NEW=0A=
    This registry uses the "Specification Required" policy described in=0A=
    RFC 5226 [RFC5226]. An English language version of the extension=0A=
    specification will appear in the registry, though non-English=0A=
    versions of the specification can also be provided.  Note that=0A=
    Section 2.1 of RFC 3735 [RFC3735] provides specific guidelines for=0A=
    documenting EPP extensions.=0A=
=0A=
3.2.1:=0A=
=0A=
OLD=0A=
    Specification Location: A URL [RFC3986] that describes the location=0A=
    of the specification.=0A=
=0A=
I suspect that won't satisfy IANA, as they generally want a stable=0A=
reference, though they will take a URL if need be. 5226 says:=0A=
=0A=
       Specification Required - Values and their meanings must be=0A=
             documented in a permanent and readily available public=0A=
             specification [...] The intention behind=0A=
             "permanent and readily available" is that a document can=0A=
             reasonably be expected to be findable and retrievable long=0A=
             after IANA assignment of the requested value.=0A=
=0A=
How about instead simply saying:=0A=
=0A=
NEW=0A=
    Reference: A reference to the specification of this extension. This=0A=
    could be an RFC number or some other pointer to the document defining=
=0A=
    the extension.=0A=
=0A=
OLD=0A=
    TLDs: A case-insensitive text string description of the top-level=0A=
    domain (or domains) for which the extension has been specified.=0A=
    "Any" or "ANY" MUST be used if the extension is not associated with a=
=0A=
    specific top-level domain.  Multiple TLDs SHOULD be specified as a=0A=
    list of domain names separated by commas, e.g. ".com, .net".=0A=
    Internationalized Domain Name (IDN) TLDs should be specified in=0A=
    A-label [RFC5890] format.=0A=
=0A=
"A case-insensitive text string description of the top-level domain"=0A=
seems weird. First, if we're using A-Labels, we already know they're=0A=
case-insensitive. Second, the string *is* the domain name, isn't it?=0A=
Finally, you should be clear to include the "." at the beginning. How=0A=
about instead:=0A=
=0A=
NEW=0A=
    TLDs: A text string containing the top-level domain name (or domains=0A=
    names), including the preceding ".", for which the extension has been=
=0A=
    specified (e.g., ".org"). If there are multiple TLDs, they are given=0A=
    as a list of domain names separated by commas, (e.g. ".com, .net").=0A=
    Internationalized Domain Name (IDN) TLDs should be specified in=0A=
    A-label [RFC5890] format. If the extension is not associated with a=0A=
    specific top-level domain, the case-insensitive text string "ANY" can=
=0A=
    be used to indicate that.=0A=
=0A=
OLD=0A=
    IPR Disclosure: Either "None", "NONE", or a URL that describes the=0A=
    location of an IPR disclosure document.  Depending on the type of=0A=
    specification the IPR disclosure MAY be filed with the IETF in=0A=
    accordance with RFC 3979 [RFC3979] as updated by RFC 4879 [RFC4879].=0A=
    Non-IETF IPR disclosures MUST clearly identify the claimed=0A=
    intellectual property rights and terms of use.  "None" or "NONE"=0A=
    indicates that the extension is freely available for use with no=0A=
    claimed intellectual property rights.=0A=
=0A=
That last sentence gave me heartburn. Just because nobody has made a=0A=
disclosure does not mean something is "freely available for use with no=0A=
claimed IPR." How about this:=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
NEW=0A=
    IPR Disclosure: A pointer to any IPR disclosure document(s) related=0A=
    to this extension, or "None" if there are no such disclosures.  This=0A=
    can be an IPR disclosure filed with the IETF in accordance with RFC=0A=
    3979 [RFC3979] as updated by RFC 4879 [RFC4879] if the extension is=0A=
    part of an IETF Contribution, or can be other IPR disclosures=0A=
    documents identifying the claimed intellectual property rights and=0A=
    terms of use for extensions that are not part of an IETF Contribution.=
=0A=
=0A=
OLD=0A=
    Status: Either "Active", "ACTIVE", "Inactive", or "INACTIVE".=0A=
NEW=0A=
    Status: Either "ACTIVE" or "INACTIVE".=0A=
=0A=
OLD=0A=
    Notes: Either "None", "NONE", or other text=0A=
NEW=0A=
    Notes: Either "NONE" or other text=0A=
=0A=
Change 3.2.2 to agree with the above (and eliminate the MUST and MAY in=0A=
there too).=0A=
=0A=
3.2.3:=0A=
=0A=
OLD=0A=
    Each registration form sent to IANA MUST contain a single record for=0A=
    incorporation into the registry.  The form will be sent via email to=0A=
<iana@iana.org> by the extension registrant.  It MUST have a=0A=
    subject...=0A=
NEW=0A=
    Send each registration form to IANA with a single record for=0A=
    incorporation into the registry.  The form will be sent via email to=0A=
<iana@iana.org> by the extension registrant, and will have a=0A=
    subject...=0A=
=0A=
3.2.4:=0A=
=0A=
OLD=0A=
    All changes to existing registry entries MUST be documented with text=
=0A=
    in the "Notes" field of the registration form.  Under normal=0A=
    circumstances registry entries MAY only be updated by the registrant.=
=0A=
    If the registrant becomes unavailable or otherwise unresponsive, the=0A=
    designated expert MAY submit a registration form to IANA to update=0A=
    the registrant information.  Entries MAY change state from "Active"...=
=0A=
NEW=0A=
    When submitting changes to existing registry entries, include text in=
=0A=
    the "Notes" field of the registration form describing the change.=0A=
    Under normal circumstances, registry entries are only be updated by=0A=
    the registrant. If the registrant becomes unavailable or otherwise=0A=
    unresponsive, the designated expert can submit a registration form to=
=0A=
    IANA to update the registrant information.  Entries can change state=0A=
    from "Active"...=0A=
=0A=
That's it. Let me know what you think. I'll mark the document in the=0A=
tracker as "Revised I-D Needed".=0A=
=0A=
pr=0A=
=0A=
--=0A=
Pete Resnick<http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/>=0A=
Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. - +1 (858)651-4478=0A=
=0A=
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On 9/2/14 7:45 AM, Gould, James wrote:

> I have a few questions related to your suggestion in adding a new "Document Status" element.
>
> 1. What should the value be for a document that is intended to be Standards Track?  I'm assuming that we would want to register drafts that are intended for Standards Track as they go through the process.
>    

This is probably pretty similar to the procedure IANA uses now for other 
registries. They already have the concept of allocating codepoints while 
the document is going through the approval process and filling in the 
data once everything is finalized. I presume they'd put in a "To be 
standards track" or "TBD" or something like during the approval process.

> 2. Will this get confused with the possible values defined in RFC 2026 or should we use the values as defined in RFC 2026?
>    

I was only thinking in terms of "Standards Track" and "Informational", 
but I suppose "Experimental" and "Historic" might also be useful. ("BCP" 
wouldn't be useful.)

> 3. Couldn't the official document status be determined by following the Specification Location in the case of an IETF document?  For those documents that are not IETF documents, then following the Specification Location would not provide a document status.
>    

Yes, you could discover the status just by looking up the document. I 
guess I figured it would be useful for the registry to make it obvious.

pr

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Pete,=0A=
=0A=
Yes, having an explicit document status would be useful.  Knowing the statu=
s would be helpful to know whether or not a document may be of interest to =
implement, be a candidate for merging, or just be a historical record of it=
s existence.  It may be useful to cover a few use cases to ensure that ever=
ything is covered:=0A=
=0A=
1. Registering an existing RFC - I believe this is already covered and coul=
d reflect the document status as defined in RFC 2026.=0A=
2. Registering an I-D intended for Standards Track - Register with a docume=
nt status like "To be standards track" or "Intended for Standards Track" =
=0A=
3. Registering an I-D that falls into a Non-Standards Track ("Informational=
", "Experimental", "Historic" ), as defined in RFC 2026, - Register with RF=
C 2026 Non-Standards Track value=0A=
4. Registering a non-I-D document - Register with an RFC 2026 Non-Standards=
 Track value=0A=
5. Merging documents to a Standards Track document ("Intended for Standards=
 Track") - Insert new document with "Intended for Standards Track" and mark=
 the pre-merge documents as "Historic".  =0A=
6. Document moves up Standards Track maturity - Update the document with th=
e appropriate status and new Specification Location.  This could be handled=
 via a new insert and updating the previous version accordingly.  If the in=
sert and update previous version option is taken, is there any need to prov=
ide a reference back (e.g. Obsoletes)?  Doing so would pretty much replicat=
e what is already supported in the IETF document, which I believe is unnece=
ssary duplication.    =0A=
=0A=
These are some of the use cases from the top of my head.  Are there others =
that are missing?=0A=
=0A=
Thanks,=0A=
=0A=
Jim=0A=
=0A=
________________________________________=0A=
From: Pete Resnick [presnick@qti.qualcomm.com]=0A=
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 10:19 AM=0A=
To: Gould, James=0A=
Cc: eppext@ietf.org=0A=
Subject: Re: [eppext] AD Review of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-07=0A=
=0A=
On 9/2/14 7:45 AM, Gould, James wrote:=0A=
=0A=
> I have a few questions related to your suggestion in adding a new "Docume=
nt Status" element.=0A=
>=0A=
> 1. What should the value be for a document that is intended to be Standar=
ds Track?  I'm assuming that we would want to register drafts that are inte=
nded for Standards Track as they go through the process.=0A=
>=0A=
=0A=
This is probably pretty similar to the procedure IANA uses now for other=0A=
registries. They already have the concept of allocating codepoints while=0A=
the document is going through the approval process and filling in the=0A=
data once everything is finalized. I presume they'd put in a "To be=0A=
standards track" or "TBD" or something like during the approval process.=0A=
=0A=
> 2. Will this get confused with the possible values defined in RFC 2026 or=
 should we use the values as defined in RFC 2026?=0A=
>=0A=
=0A=
I was only thinking in terms of "Standards Track" and "Informational",=0A=
but I suppose "Experimental" and "Historic" might also be useful. ("BCP"=0A=
wouldn't be useful.)=0A=
=0A=
> 3. Couldn't the official document status be determined by following the S=
pecification Location in the case of an IETF document?  For those documents=
 that are not IETF documents, then following the Specification Location wou=
ld not provide a document status.=0A=
>=0A=
=0A=
Yes, you could discover the status just by looking up the document. I=0A=
guess I figured it would be useful for the registry to make it obvious.=0A=
=0A=
pr=0A=
=0A=
--=0A=
Pete Resnick<http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/>=0A=
Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. - +1 (858)651-4478=0A=
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pete Resnick
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 11:16 PM
> To: eppext@ietf.org
> Subject: [eppext] AD Review of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-07
>=20
> At long last, my AD Review of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-07. My apologies
> for
> the delay.
>=20
> First, please don't worry about the length of this message. As long as
> it is, there's nothing earth shattering in here. The number of changes
> I
> suggest are actually pretty small, but I wanted to give you a good
> explanation of why I suggested them.
>=20
> So, first an overall comment:
>=20
> My understanding is that right now, caveat the initial registrations in
> section 4 (more on them in a moment), the things that go into this
> registry are being put there for "informational" purposes. That is,
> it's
> a place to document the way things are being done now, but not
> indicating any form of endorsement for one way over the other. However,
> my understanding of the purpose of this registry is so that the EPP
> community can, over the long term, harmonize extensions. That is, we
> want folks to register these things so that folks who are developing
> extensions might look and see, "Oh, that one does what I need; I should
> just use that one." Furthermore, over time, folks might decide, "Hey,
> these three extensions do the same thing; let's pick one way of doing
> it." If the community agrees, they can "standardize" that way of doing
> things. That will make life easier on registrars (and everyone for that
> matter) so that folks won't have to implement the same thing multiple
> different ways. I would expect that the way that would happen would be
> to create a IETF Standards Track RFC for those extensions that everyone
> agrees are "*the* way to do this thing".
>=20
> So it seems to me that, while most of the things expected to be
> registered here are strictly "informational" documents (mostly outside
> of the IETF), we might want to have an extra column in the registry to
> indicate the standards status of the registry entry so that people can
> see if there is a particular item that is standard. It also seems to me
> that if a registration is an IETF Standards Track document, that should
> indicate that it has already gotten sufficient review and therefore the
> Designated Experts don't need to.
>=20
> So my suggestions are to address this are:
>=20
> 1. In section 3.1.1, add: "If the specification for the registration is
> an IETF Standards Track document, no review is required by the
> Designated Expert."
>=20
> 2. In section 3.2.1:
>=20
> OLD
>     Registrant Name and Email Address: The case-insensitive name and
>     email address of the person that is responsible for managing the
>     registry entry.
> NEW
>     Registrant Name and Email Address: The name and email address of
> the
>     person that is responsible for managing the registry entry. If the
>     registration is of an IETF Standards Track document, this can
> simply
>     be listed as "IESG <iesg@ietf.org>"
>=20
> (I don't think you need to specify "case-insensitive" above, especially
> because it doesn't make sense in some languages.)
>=20
> Also add:
>=20
>     Document Status: The document status ("Informational", "Standards
>     Track", etc.) of the specification document. For documents that are
>     not RFCs, this will always be "Informational".
>=20
> So, getting back to the initial 4 registrations (RFCs 3915, 4114, 5076,
> and 5910): Each of those is currently on the Standards Track. I would
> presume that they would each go into the registry as "Document Status:
> Standards Track", presuming that they've already gotten community
> consensus that they are "*the* way to do this thing". (Otherwise, they
> probably shouldn't have been on the Standards Track in the first place,
> in which case we should probably have a discussion about what to do.)
>=20
> Does all that make sense?

It does.

> Other more minor comments:
>=20
> (Overall editorial note: Generally, I find the use of the 2119 language
> in this document unnecessary. We're supposed to use those terms where
> interoperability is needed, and here they just seem a bit overdone.
> Also, I don't think that you need to say things like "'Any' or 'ANY'",
> since if you're going to allow them to be case-insensitive, "AnY" and
> "aNY" and all the other silly ones could also be used. And that said, I
> don't think you need to specify case-insensitive; it's a form that will
> be handled by humans. Just give one example, either in title case or
> upper case, and be done with it.)
>=20
> 3.1, first paragraph, I suggest:
>=20
> NEW
>     This registry uses the "Specification Required" policy described in
>     RFC 5226 [RFC5226]. An English language version of the extension
>     specification will appear in the registry, though non-English
>     versions of the specification can also be provided.  Note that
>     Section 2.1 of RFC 3735 [RFC3735] provides specific guidelines for
>     documenting EPP extensions.
>=20
> 3.2.1:
>=20
> OLD
>     Specification Location: A URL [RFC3986] that describes the location
>     of the specification.
>=20
> I suspect that won't satisfy IANA, as they generally want a stable
> reference, though they will take a URL if need be. 5226 says:
>=20
>        Specification Required - Values and their meanings must be
>              documented in a permanent and readily available public
>              specification [...] The intention behind
>              "permanent and readily available" is that a document can
>              reasonably be expected to be findable and retrievable long
>              after IANA assignment of the requested value.
>=20
> How about instead simply saying:
>=20
> NEW
>     Reference: A reference to the specification of this extension. This
>     could be an RFC number or some other pointer to the document
> defining
>     the extension.
>=20
> OLD
>     TLDs: A case-insensitive text string description of the top-level
>     domain (or domains) for which the extension has been specified.
>     "Any" or "ANY" MUST be used if the extension is not associated with
> a
>     specific top-level domain.  Multiple TLDs SHOULD be specified as a
>     list of domain names separated by commas, e.g. ".com, .net".
>     Internationalized Domain Name (IDN) TLDs should be specified in
>     A-label [RFC5890] format.
>=20
> "A case-insensitive text string description of the top-level domain"
> seems weird. First, if we're using A-Labels, we already know they're
> case-insensitive. Second, the string *is* the domain name, isn't it?
> Finally, you should be clear to include the "." at the beginning. How
> about instead:
>=20
> NEW
>     TLDs: A text string containing the top-level domain name (or
> domains
>     names), including the preceding ".", for which the extension has
> been
>     specified (e.g., ".org"). If there are multiple TLDs, they are
> given
>     as a list of domain names separated by commas, (e.g. ".com, .net").
>     Internationalized Domain Name (IDN) TLDs should be specified in
>     A-label [RFC5890] format. If the extension is not associated with a
>     specific top-level domain, the case-insensitive text string "ANY"
> can
>     be used to indicate that.
>=20
> OLD
>     IPR Disclosure: Either "None", "NONE", or a URL that describes the
>     location of an IPR disclosure document.  Depending on the type of
>     specification the IPR disclosure MAY be filed with the IETF in
>     accordance with RFC 3979 [RFC3979] as updated by RFC 4879
> [RFC4879].
>     Non-IETF IPR disclosures MUST clearly identify the claimed
>     intellectual property rights and terms of use.  "None" or "NONE"
>     indicates that the extension is freely available for use with no
>     claimed intellectual property rights.
>=20
> That last sentence gave me heartburn. Just because nobody has made a
> disclosure does not mean something is "freely available for use with no
> claimed IPR." How about this:
>=20
>=20
> NEW
>     IPR Disclosure: A pointer to any IPR disclosure document(s) related
>     to this extension, or "None" if there are no such disclosures.
> This
>     can be an IPR disclosure filed with the IETF in accordance with RFC
>     3979 [RFC3979] as updated by RFC 4879 [RFC4879] if the extension is
>     part of an IETF Contribution, or can be other IPR disclosures
>     documents identifying the claimed intellectual property rights and
>     terms of use for extensions that are not part of an IETF
> Contribution.
>=20
> OLD
>     Status: Either "Active", "ACTIVE", "Inactive", or "INACTIVE".
> NEW
>     Status: Either "ACTIVE" or "INACTIVE".
>=20
> OLD
>     Notes: Either "None", "NONE", or other text
> NEW
>     Notes: Either "NONE" or other text
>=20
> Change 3.2.2 to agree with the above (and eliminate the MUST and MAY in
> there too).
>=20
> 3.2.3:
>=20
> OLD
>     Each registration form sent to IANA MUST contain a single record
> for
>     incorporation into the registry.  The form will be sent via email
> to
> <iana@iana.org> by the extension registrant.  It MUST have a
>     subject...
> NEW
>     Send each registration form to IANA with a single record for
>     incorporation into the registry.  The form will be sent via email
> to
> <iana@iana.org> by the extension registrant, and will have a
>     subject...
>=20
> 3.2.4:
>=20
> OLD
>     All changes to existing registry entries MUST be documented with
> text
>     in the "Notes" field of the registration form.  Under normal
>     circumstances registry entries MAY only be updated by the
> registrant.
>     If the registrant becomes unavailable or otherwise unresponsive,
> the
>     designated expert MAY submit a registration form to IANA to update
>     the registrant information.  Entries MAY change state from
> "Active"...
> NEW
>     When submitting changes to existing registry entries, include text
> in
>     the "Notes" field of the registration form describing the change.
>     Under normal circumstances, registry entries are only be updated by
>     the registrant. If the registrant becomes unavailable or otherwise
>     unresponsive, the designated expert can submit a registration form
> to
>     IANA to update the registrant information.  Entries can change
> state
>     from "Active"...
>=20
> That's it. Let me know what you think. I'll mark the document in the
> tracker as "Revised I-D Needed".

I appreciate the suggestions and I'm comfortable with all of them. I'll get=
 a new version out next week barring any on-list disagreement.

Scott


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Extensible Provisioning Protocol Extensions Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Extension Registry for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol
        Author          : Scott Hollenbeck
	Filename        : draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08.txt
	Pages           : 11
	Date            : 2014-09-08

Abstract:
   The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) includes features to add
   functionality by extending the protocol.  It does not, however,
   describe how those extensions are managed.  This document describes a
   procedure for the registration and management of extensions to EPP
   and it specifies a format for an IANA registry to record those
   extensions.


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> -----Original Message-----
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>=20
> At long last, my AD Review of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-07. My apologies
> for
> the delay.

I just posted draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08. It incorporates all of Pete's sugge=
stions, and one that he didn't explicitly suggest. When I removed the RFC 2=
119 text I was left with a first section that included only three acronyms.=
 I removed that section and expanded the acronyms where they were first use=
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All,

The authors of both draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase and draft-ietf-eppext-tmc=
h-smd believe that the drafts are ready for WG last call, but there is one =
additional development that I wanted to bring up to the WG.  There is work =
being done at ICANN in the protection of IGO, INGO, Red Cross, and IOC doma=
in names that may require the need for a claims like service similar to wha=
t is currently supported by draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase for trademarks.  =
It is still early yet to discuss the details of this specific item, but it =
raises the question of whether draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase should be capa=
ble of supporting multiple distinct claims lists.  Currently draft-ietf-epp=
ext-launchphase is not tied to a single Trademark Clearinghouse with the us=
e of the optional =93validatorID=94 attribute in the <launch:code>, <launch=
:claimKey>, and <launch:noticeID> elements, along with the extensibility of=
 mark and signedMark defined in draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd.

If there is more than one claims list and claims notice service (TMCH, cust=
om TMCH, and IGO/INGO/RC/IOC), then there is the possibility that a domain =
name may be in more than one list.  If that is the case, should draft-ietf-=
eppext-launchphase support zero or more <launch:claimKey> elements in the C=
laims Check Response and should draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase support zero =
or more <launch:noticeID> elements in the Domain Create Command in place of=
 the existing zero to one cardinality?  The =93validatorID=94 attribute wou=
ld need to be mapped to the appropriate claims service by the client and se=
rver.

Thoughts and comments are appreciated.

Thanks,


=97


JG


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<div>The authors of both&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase and&nbsp;draft-=
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&nbsp;There is work being done at ICANN in the
 protection of IGO, INGO, Red Cross, and IOC domain names that may require =
the need for a claims like service similar to what is currently supported b=
y draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase for trademarks. &nbsp;It is still early yet=
 to discuss the details of this specific
 item, but it raises the question of whether draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase =
should be capable of supporting multiple distinct claims lists. &nbsp;Curre=
ntly draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase is not tied to a single Trademark Cleari=
nghouse with the use of the optional
 =93validatorID=94 attribute in the &lt;launch:code&gt;, &lt;launch:claimKe=
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main name may be in more than one list. &nbsp;If that is the case, should d=
raft-ietf-eppext-launchphase support
 zero or more &lt;launch:claimKey&gt; elements in the Claims Check Response=
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zero to one cardinality? &nbsp;The =93validatorID=94
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Hi Scott,

According to the section 2.2 (Identifying Extensions) of RFC 3735, an =
EPP extension is uniquely identified by a Uniform Resource Identifier =
(URI). It seems to me the issue of identifying extensions be covered by =
the section 2.2.1 of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08. It says,

   Reference: A reference to the specification of this extension.  This
   could be an RFC number or some other pointer to the document defining
   the extension.

I=A1=AFm confused by the above definition. It seems that the identifying =
extensions method of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08 doesn=A1=AFt follow the =
RFC 3735. Either an RFC number or some other non-URI pointers may be =
used to identify the extensions.

BTW, I noticed that even the example form with RFC specification in =
draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08 doesn=A1=AFt only use an RFC number as the =
reference.

So, IMHO, the definition of Reference in draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08 needs =
to be modified in order to avoid such confusion.

Cheers,
Ning


=D4=DA 2014=C4=EA9=D4=C28=C8=D5=A3=AC=CF=C2=CE=E79:35=A3=ACHollenbeck, =
Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA

>> -----Original Message-----
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>> To: eppext@ietf.org
>> Subject: [eppext] AD Review of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-07
>>=20
>> At long last, my AD Review of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-07. My apologies
>> for
>> the delay.
>=20
> I just posted draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08. It incorporates all of Pete's =
suggestions, and one that he didn't explicitly suggest. When I removed =
the RFC 2119 text I was left with a first section that included only =
three acronyms. I removed that section and expanded the acronyms where =
they were first used.
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I reconsidered the issue I just raised. I think maybe I misunderstood =
the meaning of Reference in the section 2.2.1 of =
draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08. The Reference doesn=A1=AFt mean to be used as =
identifying extensions, right?

If so, I wonder if the URI used as identifying an extension needs to be =
added as required information in section 2.2.1. IMO, URIs used to =
identify the extensions with non-RFC specifications especially need to =
be coordinated by IANA to avoid conflicts.

Cheers,
Ning


=D4=DA 2014=C4=EA9=D4=C29=C8=D5=A3=AC=CF=C2=CE=E72:45=A3=ACNing Kong =
<nkong@cnnic.cn> =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA

>=20
> Hi Scott,
>=20
> According to the section 2.2 (Identifying Extensions) of RFC 3735, an =
EPP extension is uniquely identified by a Uniform Resource Identifier =
(URI). It seems to me the issue of identifying extensions be covered by =
the section 2.2.1 of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08. It says,
>=20
>   Reference: A reference to the specification of this extension.  This
>   could be an RFC number or some other pointer to the document =
defining
>   the extension.
>=20
> I=A1=AFm confused by the above definition. It seems that the =
identifying extensions method of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08 doesn=A1=AFt =
follow the RFC 3735. Either an RFC number or some other non-URI pointers =
may be used to identify the extensions.
>=20
> BTW, I noticed that even the example form with RFC specification in =
draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08 doesn=A1=AFt only use an RFC number as the =
reference.
>=20
> So, IMHO, the definition of Reference in draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08 =
needs to be modified in order to avoid such confusion.
>=20
> Cheers,
> Ning
>=20
>=20
> =D4=DA 2014=C4=EA9=D4=C28=C8=D5=A3=AC=CF=C2=CE=E79:35=A3=ACHollenbeck, =
Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA
>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pete =
Resnick
>>> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 11:16 PM
>>> To: eppext@ietf.org
>>> Subject: [eppext] AD Review of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-07
>>>=20
>>> At long last, my AD Review of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-07. My apologies
>>> for
>>> the delay.
>>=20
>> I just posted draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08. It incorporates all of Pete's =
suggestions, and one that he didn't explicitly suggest. When I removed =
the RFC 2119 text I was left with a first section that included only =
three acronyms. I removed that section and expanded the acronyms where =
they were first used.
>>=20
>> Scott
>>=20
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>=20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ning Kong
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> To: Hollenbeck, Scott
> Cc: Pete Resnick; eppext@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [eppext] AD Review of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-07
>=20
>=20
> I reconsidered the issue I just raised. I think maybe I misunderstood
> the meaning of Reference in the section 2.2.1 of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-
> 08. The Reference doesn't mean to be used as identifying extensions,
> right?

Correct. It's intended to identify the document containing the specificatio=
n.

> If so, I wonder if the URI used as identifying an extension needs to be
> added as required information in section 2.2.1. IMO, URIs used to
> identify the extensions with non-RFC specifications especially need to
> be coordinated by IANA to avoid conflicts.

Needs to be added? I don't think so since there's already a registry for th=
em and assignments are already being managed by IANA. It is potentially use=
ful information, but it can (or should) be found within the specification i=
tself.

Scott


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> Needs to be added? I don't think so since there's already a registry =
for them and assignments are already being managed by IANA. It is =
potentially useful information, but it can (or should) be found within =
the specification itself.
Thanks for your clarification. It seems that several other items (e.g. =
Name of extension, Document Status) can also be found in the =
specification ;-)

On the other hand, since the specification contains useful information, =
the reference of it is very important. Just as Pete mentioned, IANA =
wants a stable reference. To be honest, I don=A1=AFt think the =
definition of the reference in this version ensure this requirement. =
I=A1=AFm afraid not every =A1=B0some other pointer=A1=B1 used as =
reference can make sure the document can be findable and retrievable =
long after IANA assignment. So I think the definition of the Reference =
needs to be enhanced to ensure this requirement.

Anyway, I=A1=AFm OK if the URI used as identifying extension is not be =
added as required information. But, IMO if the URIs used as identifying =
extensions can be directly provided by the IANA registry for EPP =
extensions in future, rather than included within each reference, it =
would be more convenient for the queriers, especially for the designers =
of new EPP extensions, to quickly check whether their intended URIs were =
allocated without needing to read every specifications of the IANA EPP =
extension registry or jump to another IANA registry for XML to check.

Cheers,
Ning=


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All,

I received 2 positive responses privately for making the change to draft-ie=
tf-eppext-launchphase that will make <launch:claimKey> and <launch:noticeID=
> a zero to many instead of a zero to one relationship under <launch:cd> an=
d <launch:notice>, respectively.  This will support more than one parallel =
claims services if needed using the =93validatorID=94 to identify the speci=
fic claims service.  Please post a reply to the list or to me privately if =
there is an issue with making this change.  I will go ahead and start makin=
g the draft upgrade with Gavin and Wil.

Thanks,


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On Sep 8, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Gould, James <JGould@verisign.com<mailto:JGould=
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All,

The authors of both draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase and draft-ietf-eppext-tmc=
h-smd believe that the drafts are ready for WG last call, but there is one =
additional development that I wanted to bring up to the WG.  There is work =
being done at ICANN in the protection of IGO, INGO, Red Cross, and IOC doma=
in names that may require the need for a claims like service similar to wha=
t is currently supported by draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase for trademarks.  =
It is still early yet to discuss the details of this specific item, but it =
raises the question of whether draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase should be capa=
ble of supporting multiple distinct claims lists.  Currently draft-ietf-epp=
ext-launchphase is not tied to a single Trademark Clearinghouse with the us=
e of the optional =93validatorID=94 attribute in the <launch:code>, <launch=
:claimKey>, and <launch:noticeID> elements, along with the extensibility of=
 mark and signedMark defined in draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd.

If there is more than one claims list and claims notice service (TMCH, cust=
om TMCH, and IGO/INGO/RC/IOC), then there is the possibility that a domain =
name may be in more than one list.  If that is the case, should draft-ietf-=
eppext-launchphase support zero or more <launch:claimKey> elements in the C=
laims Check Response and should draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase support zero =
or more <launch:noticeID> elements in the Domain Create Command in place of=
 the existing zero to one cardinality?  The =93validatorID=94 attribute wou=
ld need to be mapped to the appropriate claims service by the client and se=
rver.

Thoughts and comments are appreciated.

Thanks,

=97

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<div>I received 2 positive responses privately for making the change to dra=
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aunch:noticeID&gt; a zero to many instead of a zero to one relationship und=
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 &nbsp;This will support more than one parallel claims services if needed u=
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lease post a reply to the list or to me privately if there is an issue with=
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<div>The authors of both&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase and&nbsp;draft-=
ietf-eppext-tmch-smd believe that the drafts are ready for WG last call, bu=
t there is one additional development that I wanted to bring up to the WG. =
&nbsp;There is work being done at ICANN in the
 protection of IGO, INGO, Red Cross, and IOC domain names that may require =
the need for a claims like service similar to what is currently supported b=
y draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase for trademarks. &nbsp;It is still early yet=
 to discuss the details of this specific
 item, but it raises the question of whether draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase =
should be capable of supporting multiple distinct claims lists. &nbsp;Curre=
ntly draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase is not tied to a single Trademark Cleari=
nghouse with the use of the optional
 =93validatorID=94 attribute in the &lt;launch:code&gt;, &lt;launch:claimKe=
y&gt;, and &lt;launch:noticeID&gt; elements, along with the extensibility o=
f mark and signedMark defined in draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If there is more than one claims list and claims notice service (TMCH,=
 custom TMCH, and IGO/INGO/RC/IOC), then there is the possibility that a do=
main name may be in more than one list. &nbsp;If that is the case, should d=
raft-ietf-eppext-launchphase support
 zero or more &lt;launch:claimKey&gt; elements in the Claims Check Response=
 and should draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase support zero or more &lt;launch:n=
oticeID&gt; elements in the Domain Create Command in place of the existing =
zero to one cardinality? &nbsp;The =93validatorID=94
 attribute would need to be mapped to the appropriate claims service by the=
 client and server. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thoughts and comments are appreciated.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,&nbsp;</div>
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I sent the following request over a month ago and now there is only 2 weeks=
 left to meet the cut-off date for a Working Group meeting.  Could our chai=
rs step up and arrange a meeting?  Based on what is on the WG charter, we h=
ave the following remaining work:


  1.  Progress draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase and draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd=
 - There is one planned change that has been discussed on the list and that=
 will be incorporated into an updated draft.  The hope is that both drafts =
will be complete and ready for WG last call, but if not we can use the meet=
ing to discuss any open items that remain.
  2.  Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay open items discussed on the list t=
o progress a new version of the draft.  As a reminder, the two options disc=
ussed included structuring it as an object extension or as a command-respon=
se extension.  This is a good general topic on when to use a protocol exten=
sion, object extension, or a command-response extension for a draft that is=
 in our charter.  I described structuring draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay as eit=
her a command-response extension or an object extension in the http://www.i=
etf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00073.html posting.
  3.  Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap open items discussed on the list.  I=
 raised a list of open questions in the http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/we=
b/eppext/current/msg00115.html posting.  I provided a proposal to address m=
y concern in the http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg000=
72.html posting.  I believe that it will require discussing the IDN registr=
ation flows supported by the various registries and how draft-ietf-eppext-i=
dnmap can support them.  We have our own custom IDN Language Tag EPP Extens=
ion ( http://www.verisigninc.com/assets/epp-sdk/verisign_epp-extension_idn-=
lang_v00.html ) that I would like to eventually replace with draft-ietf-epp=
ext-idnmap, but draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap does not currently support the int=
erface needed.  I believe we can come to an agreement after discussing the =
options.

I want this WG to be successful in completing its charter, but we must have=
 active participation on the list and we need to meet to make progress on c=
losing out our remaining work.  I will provide support in making this happe=
n.

Thanks,


=97


JG


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On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Gould, James <JGould@verisign.com<mailto:JGould=
@verisign.com>> wrote:

All,

We did not have an opportunity to meet at IETF 90.  With draft-ietf-eppext-=
reg progressing, there is additional business that needs to be discussed.  =
I request that we schedule a meeting at IETF 91 to move the other items for=
ward, that include:

  1.  Progress draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase - Gavin, Wil, and I are in agr=
eement that the draft is stable, has multiple independent implementations, =
and is ready to move forward.
  2.  Progress draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd =96 There is a dependency from dr=
aft-ietf-eppext-launchphase to draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd, and both are sta=
ble and have multiple independent implementations.  Gustavo can comment on =
whether he knows of any open items remaining with draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-sm=
d to address prior to moving it forward.
  3.  Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay open items discussed on the list t=
o progress a new version of the draft.  Based on the latest posts on the li=
st, the agreement was to register it "as is=94 and to progress a new versio=
n of the draft.
  4.  Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap open items discussed on the list.  I=
n review, Francisco and I have discussed handling of the existing table mod=
el and a proposal that I had for a language model.

Is there other business that could be handled with an EPPEXT meeting at IET=
F 91?

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I sent the following request over a month ago and now there is only 2 weeks=
 left to meet the cut-off date for a Working Group meeting. &nbsp;Could our=
 chairs step up and arrange a meeting? &nbsp;Based on what is on the WG cha=
rter, we have the following remaining work:
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<ol class=3D"MailOutline">
<li>Progress draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase and draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd -=
 There is one planned change that has been discussed on the list and that w=
ill be incorporated into an updated draft. &nbsp;The hope is that both draf=
ts will be complete and ready for WG
 last call, but if not we can use the meeting to discuss any open items tha=
t remain. &nbsp;</li><li>Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay open items disc=
ussed on the list to progress a new version of the draft. &nbsp;As a remind=
er, the two options discussed included structuring it as an object extensio=
n or as a command-response extension. &nbsp;This is a good general
 topic on when to use a protocol extension, object extension, or a command-=
response extension for a draft that is in our charter. &nbsp;I described st=
ructuring draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay as either a command-response extension=
 or an object extension in the
<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00073.htm=
l">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00073.html</a> po=
sting.</li><li>Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap open items discussed on the=
 list. &nbsp;I raised a list of open questions in the
<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00115.htm=
l">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00115.html</a> po=
sting. &nbsp;I provided a proposal to address my concern in the
<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00072.htm=
l">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00072.html</a> po=
sting. &nbsp;I believe that it will require discussing the IDN registration=
 flows supported by the various registries
 and how&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap can support them. &nbsp;We have our =
own custom IDN Language Tag EPP Extension (
<a href=3D"http://www.verisigninc.com/assets/epp-sdk/verisign_epp-extension=
_idn-lang_v00.html">
http://www.verisigninc.com/assets/epp-sdk/verisign_epp-extension_idn-lang_v=
00.html</a> ) that I would like to eventually replace with&nbsp;draft-ietf-=
eppext-idnmap, but&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap does not currently support=
 the interface needed. &nbsp;I believe we can come
 to an agreement after discussing the options. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</li></ol>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>I want this WG to be successful in completing its charter, but we must=
 have active participation on the list and we need to meet to make progress=
 on closing out our remaining work. &nbsp;I will provide support in making =
this happen.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks, &nbsp;</div>
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erif;"><font face=3D"Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
0pt;"><font color=3D"#6B6D71">Principal
 Software Engineer<br>
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<br>
703-948-3271<br>
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<div>On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Gould, James &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:JGould@=
verisign.com">JGould@verisign.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div>All,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We did not have an opportunity to meet at IETF 90. &nbsp;With&nbsp;dra=
ft-ietf-eppext-reg progressing, there is additional business that needs to =
be discussed. &nbsp;I request that we schedule a meeting at IETF 91 to move=
 the other items forward, that include:</div>
<ol>
<li>Progress&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase - Gavin, Wil, and I are in =
agreement that the draft is stable, has multiple independent implementation=
s, and is ready to move forward. &nbsp;</li><li>Progress&nbsp;draft-ietf-ep=
pext-tmch-smd =96 There is a dependency from&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-launchp=
hase to&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd, and both are stable and have multi=
ple independent implementations. &nbsp;Gustavo can comment on whether he kn=
ows of any open items remaining
 with draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd to address prior to moving it forward.</li=
><li>Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay open items discussed on the list to=
 progress a new version of the draft. &nbsp;Based on the latest posts on th=
e list, the agreement was to register it &quot;as is=94 and to progress a n=
ew version of the draft. &nbsp;</li><li>Discuss&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-idnm=
ap open items discussed on the list. &nbsp;In review, Francisco and I have =
discussed handling of the existing table model and a proposal that I had fo=
r a language model. &nbsp;</li></ol>
<div>Is there other business that could be handled with an EPPEXT meeting a=
t IETF 91?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
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We still have a number of expired WG drafts, too. Leadership, please?

Scott

From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gould, James
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:57 AM
To: eppext@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [eppext] Request for EPPEXT Meeting at IETF 91

I sent the following request over a month ago and now there is only 2 weeks=
 left to meet the cut-off date for a Working Group meeting.  Could our chai=
rs step up and arrange a meeting?  Based on what is on the WG charter, we h=
ave the following remaining work:


  1.  Progress draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase and draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd=
 - There is one planned change that has been discussed on the list and that=
 will be incorporated into an updated draft.  The hope is that both drafts =
will be complete and ready for WG last call, but if not we can use the meet=
ing to discuss any open items that remain.
  2.  Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay open items discussed on the list t=
o progress a new version of the draft.  As a reminder, the two options disc=
ussed included structuring it as an object extension or as a command-respon=
se extension.  This is a good general topic on when to use a protocol exten=
sion, object extension, or a command-response extension for a draft that is=
 in our charter.  I described structuring draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay as eit=
her a command-response extension or an object extension in the http://www.i=
etf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00073.html posting.
  3.  Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap open items discussed on the list.  I=
 raised a list of open questions in the http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/we=
b/eppext/current/msg00115.html posting.  I provided a proposal to address m=
y concern in the http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg000=
72.html posting.  I believe that it will require discussing the IDN registr=
ation flows supported by the various registries and how draft-ietf-eppext-i=
dnmap can support them.  We have our own custom IDN Language Tag EPP Extens=
ion ( http://www.verisigninc.com/assets/epp-sdk/verisign_epp-extension_idn-=
lang_v00.html ) that I would like to eventually replace with draft-ietf-epp=
ext-idnmap, but draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap does not currently support the int=
erface needed.  I believe we can come to an agreement after discussing the =
options.

I want this WG to be successful in completing its charter, but we must have=
 active participation on the list and we need to meet to make progress on c=
losing out our remaining work.  I will provide support in making this happe=
n.

Thanks,


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JG

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On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Gould, James <JGould@verisign.com<mailto:JGould=
@verisign.com>> wrote:


All,

We did not have an opportunity to meet at IETF 90.  With draft-ietf-eppext-=
reg progressing, there is additional business that needs to be discussed.  =
I request that we schedule a meeting at IETF 91 to move the other items for=
ward, that include:

  1.  Progress draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase - Gavin, Wil, and I are in agr=
eement that the draft is stable, has multiple independent implementations, =
and is ready to move forward.
  2.  Progress draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd - There is a dependency from draf=
t-ietf-eppext-launchphase to draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd, and both are stabl=
e and have multiple independent implementations.  Gustavo can comment on wh=
ether he knows of any open items remaining with draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd =
to address prior to moving it forward.
  3.  Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay open items discussed on the list t=
o progress a new version of the draft.  Based on the latest posts on the li=
st, the agreement was to register it "as is" and to progress a new version =
of the draft.
  4.  Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap open items discussed on the list.  I=
n review, Francisco and I have discussed handling of the existing table mod=
el and a proposal that I had for a language model.
Is there other business that could be handled with an EPPEXT meeting at IET=
F 91?

Thanks,

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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gould, James<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 10:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> eppext@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [eppext] Request for EPPEXT Meeting at IETF 91<o:p></o:=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I sent the following request over a month ago and no=
w there is only 2 weeks left to meet the cut-off date for a Working Group m=
eeting. &nbsp;Could our chairs step up and arrange a meeting? &nbsp;Based o=
n what is on the WG charter, we have the following
 remaining work: <o:p></o:p></p>
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Progress draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase and draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd - The=
re is one planned change that has been discussed on the list and that will =
be incorporated into an updated draft. &nbsp;The hope is that both drafts w=
ill be complete and ready for WG last
 call, but if not we can use the meeting to discuss any open items that rem=
ain. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-=
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Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay open items discussed on the list to prog=
ress a new version of the draft. &nbsp;As a reminder, the two options discu=
ssed included structuring it as an object extension or as a command-respons=
e extension. &nbsp;This is a good general
 topic on when to use a protocol extension, object extension, or a command-=
response extension for a draft that is in our charter. &nbsp;I described st=
ructuring draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay as either a command-response extension=
 or an object extension in the
<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00073.htm=
l">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00073.html</a> po=
sting.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:a=
uto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap open items discussed on the list. &nbsp;I =
raised a list of open questions in the
<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00115.htm=
l">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00115.html</a> po=
sting. &nbsp;I provided a proposal to address my concern in the
<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00072.htm=
l">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00072.html</a> po=
sting. &nbsp;I believe that it will require discussing the IDN registration=
 flows supported by the various registries
 and how&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap can support them. &nbsp;We have our =
own custom IDN Language Tag EPP Extension (
<a href=3D"http://www.verisigninc.com/assets/epp-sdk/verisign_epp-extension=
_idn-lang_v00.html">
http://www.verisigninc.com/assets/epp-sdk/verisign_epp-extension_idn-lang_v=
00.html</a> ) that I would like to eventually replace with&nbsp;draft-ietf-=
eppext-idnmap, but&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap does not currently support=
 the interface needed. &nbsp;I believe we can come
 to an agreement after discussing the options. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I want this WG to be successful in completing its ch=
arter, but we must have active participation on the list and we need to mee=
t to make progress on closing out our remaining work. &nbsp;I will provide =
support in making this happen.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks, &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&#82=
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uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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rgin-left:0in;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;;color:black">JG</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ver=
dana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><br>
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:black"><br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006AAA">James Gould<br>
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#6B6D71">Principal Software Engineer<br>
<a href=3D"jgould@Verisign.com">jgould@Verisign.com</a><br>
<br>
703-948-3271<br>
12061 Bluemont Way<br>
Reston, VA 20190<br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006AAA"><a href=3D"http://VerisignInc.com">Veri=
signInc.com</a></span><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verd=
ana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Gould, James &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:JGould@verisign.com">JGould@verisign.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:=
p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">We did not have an opportunity to meet =
at IETF 90. &nbsp;With&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-reg progressing, there is add=
itional business that needs to be discussed. &nbsp;I request that we schedu=
le
 a meeting at IETF 91 to move the other items forward, that include:<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;">Progress&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase - Gavin, Wil, and =
I are in agreement that the draft is stable, has multiple independent imple=
mentations, and is ready to move forward. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:=
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;">Progress&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd &#8211; There is a de=
pendency from&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase to&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-=
tmch-smd, and both are stable and have multiple independent implementations=
.
 &nbsp;Gustavo can comment on whether he knows of any open items remaining =
with draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd to address prior to moving it forward.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;=
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;">Discuss draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay open items discussed on the=
 list to progress a new version of the draft. &nbsp;Based on the latest pos=
ts on the list, the agreement was to register it &quot;as is&#8221; and
 to progress a new version of the draft. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;">Discuss&nbsp;draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap open items discussed on =
the list. &nbsp;In review, Francisco and I have discussed handling of the e=
xisting table model and a proposal that I had for a language model.
 &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Is there other business that could be h=
andled with an EPPEXT meeting at IETF 91?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;">--&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&=
quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&qu=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;">JG</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,=
&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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an><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0C1D63">James Gould</span><span style=3D"font-fami=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot=
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></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot=
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One silly issue that I missed: I note that this document is marked as 
"Proposed Standard". My personal feeling is that creation of registries 
can simply be done as an "Informational" document, though I don't think 
it makes much difference. I can Last Call the document for Proposed 
Standard anyway and let the IESG make the call (one of the few things we 
are empowered to do independently), but I wanted to check: Does anybody 
care strongly one way or the other? If not, I'll note in the Last Call 
that the WG does not care.

pr

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pete Resnick
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 11:16 AM
> To: eppext@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [eppext] AD Review of draft-ietf-eppext-reg-07
>=20
> One silly issue that I missed: I note that this document is marked as
> "Proposed Standard". My personal feeling is that creation of registries
> can simply be done as an "Informational" document, though I don't think
> it makes much difference. I can Last Call the document for Proposed
> Standard anyway and let the IESG make the call (one of the few things
> we
> are empowered to do independently), but I wanted to check: Does anybody
> care strongly one way or the other? If not, I'll note in the Last Call
> that the WG does not care.

I do not have a preference. Creation of the registry is the important thing=
.

Scott


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The IESG has received a request from the Extensible Provisioning Protocol
Extensions WG (eppext) to consider the following document:
- 'Extension Registry for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol'
  <draft-ietf-eppext-reg-08.txt> as Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
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Abstract


   The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) includes features to add
   functionality by extending the protocol.  It does not, however,
   describe how those extensions are managed.  This document describes a
   procedure for the registration and management of extensions to EPP
   and it specifies a format for an IANA registry to record those
   extensions.




The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-reg/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-reg/ballot/


No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.



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Dear all,

So far the chairs received 3 requests to have an EPPEXT meeting
@IETF91 in Honolulu, so we think it's wise to meet. We hope to have
more than 5 participants, so could the silent members of the WG +1 if
they plan to attend EPPEXT in Honolulu so we can request a proper
meeting room?
Or let us know if you plan to attend remotely.

As for agenda items, please send them to the chairs if they don't show
up in the proposed agenda below.

We have identified a few issues on the list that were more or less
fundamental and not for any particular WG document for f2f discussion.
We intend to request for a 1,5 hour slot to have enough time to
discuss, but I would like to ask for volunteers to present/summarize
and lead these discussions:

Agenda:

0. Welcome (Antoin 1 min.)

1. draft-ietf-eppext-reg (?? 5 min.)

2. Discussion: Is there sufficient consensus on current EPPEXT drafts
for standards track, or should they be informational? (?? 10 min.)

3. draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase/draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd (?? 5 min.)

4. Discussion on protocol extension, object extension, or a
command-response extension to progress draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay (??
20 min.)

5. draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap (?? 10 min.)

6. Discuss if we take on new work items/documents/extensions,
recharter or close down (?? 10 min.)

7. AOB



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> So far the chairs received 3 requests to have an EPPEXT meeting
> @IETF91 in Honolulu, so we think it's wise to meet. We hope to have more
> than 5 participants, so could the silent members of the WG +1 if they pla=
n to
> attend EPPEXT in Honolulu so we can request a proper meeting room?
> Or let us know if you plan to attend remotely.

[Alexander Mayrhofer]=20
I will attend in person.



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> -----Original Message-----
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> So far the chairs received 3 requests to have an EPPEXT meeting
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> more than 5 participants, so could the silent members of the WG +1 if
> they plan to attend EPPEXT in Honolulu so we can request a proper
> meeting room?
> Or let us know if you plan to attend remotely.

I will attend in person.

Scott


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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Mayrhofer <alexander.mayrhofer@nic.at>
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 at 5:51
To: Antoin Verschuren <antoin.verschuren@sidn.nl>, "eppext@ietf.org"
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Subject: Re: [eppext] EPPEXT @ Honolulu

> So far the chairs received 3 requests to have an EPPEXT meeting
> @IETF91 in Honolulu, so we think it's wise to meet. We hope to have more
> than 5 participants, so could the silent members of the WG +1 if they
>plan to
> attend EPPEXT in Honolulu so we can request a proper meeting room?
> Or let us know if you plan to attend remotely.

[Alexander Mayrhofer]
I will attend in person.


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+1 in person


> so could the silent members of the WG +1 if they plan to attend EPPEXT in=
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Hi Antoin,

I=A1=AFll attend in person.

BTW, I wonder if I can apply a 10 minutes slot to discuss a new =
extension for bundling. IMO, a generic bundling mechanism makes sense =
for registries to handle not only IDN variants registration issue but =
also same SLD registrations among several gTLDs. I=A1=AFm writing a =
draft on this topic and going to submit it in several weeks.

Although I know working on other new extensions is out of scope of the =
current WG=A1=AFs charter, I still hope I can get a F2F chance to =
discuss this idea. My only intent is to get F2F feedbacks from the WG =
which I think is the only appropriate Working Group to present and =
discuss this kind of issue.

Furthermore, I=A1=AFm curious if in future more new ideas of proposing =
new extensions want to be F2F discussed by the EPP community before =
formally submit to the Extension Registry for the EPP, do you guys think =
is it necessary for the WG to provide such opportunity before really =
closing itself? IMHO, it=A1=AFs better that if the WG can remain to be =
alive and provide helps for several new extensions for some time even =
after finishing all the milestones of the current charter.


Cheers,
Ning



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> We have identified a few issues on the list that were more or less
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Ning,

We may want to collaborate on the bundling extension that you=A1=AFre refer=
ring to.  We have a custom Related Domain EPP Extension ( http://www.verisi=
gninc.com/assets/epp-sdk/verisign_epp-extension_related-domain_v00.html ) t=
hat looks to solve the same or similar problem.  I will be at IETF-91, so i=
f there is no time to bring up new extensions at the EPPEXT meeting, we cou=
ld setup a time to discuss this extension f2f.  Others from the WG can part=
icipate in the f2f if there is interest.

Collaborating on like or overlapping extensions that can be combined, and t=
hat may eventually mature up the IETF standards process, is a good example =
of the purpose of the Registration Operations Industry Association.  The Re=
gistration Operation Industry Association will be discussed on Thursday, Oc=
tober 16th, during the week of ICANN 51 in LA.  Please see Scott Hollenbeck=
=A1=AFs blog postings ( http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140919_is_it_time_f=
or_registration_operations_industry_association_part_3/ ) for more informat=
ion.

Thanks,


=A1=AA


JG


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James Gould
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On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Ning Kong <nkong@cnnic.cn<mailto:nkong@cnnic.c=
n>> wrote:


Hi Antoin,

I=A1=AFll attend in person.

BTW, I wonder if I can apply a 10 minutes slot to discuss a new extension f=
or bundling. IMO, a generic bundling mechanism makes sense for registries t=
o handle not only IDN variants registration issue but also same SLD registr=
ations among several gTLDs. I=A1=AFm writing a draft on this topic and goin=
g to submit it in several weeks.

Although I know working on other new extensions is out of scope of the curr=
ent WG=A1=AFs charter, I still hope I can get a F2F chance to discuss this =
idea. My only intent is to get F2F feedbacks from the WG which I think is t=
he only appropriate Working Group to present and discuss this kind of issue=
.

Furthermore, I=A1=AFm curious if in future more new ideas of proposing new =
extensions want to be F2F discussed by the EPP community before formally su=
bmit to the Extension Registry for the EPP, do you guys think is it necessa=
ry for the WG to provide such opportunity before really closing itself? IMH=
O, it=A1=AFs better that if the WG can remain to be alive and provide helps=
 for several new extensions for some time even after finishing all the mile=
stones of the current charter.


Cheers,
Ning



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Dear all,

So far the chairs received 3 requests to have an EPPEXT meeting
@IETF91 in Honolulu, so we think it's wise to meet. We hope to have
more than 5 participants, so could the silent members of the WG +1 if
they plan to attend EPPEXT in Honolulu so we can request a proper
meeting room?
Or let us know if you plan to attend remotely.

As for agenda items, please send them to the chairs if they don't show
up in the proposed agenda below.

We have identified a few issues on the list that were more or less
fundamental and not for any particular WG document for f2f discussion.
We intend to request for a 1,5 hour slot to have enough time to
discuss, but I would like to ask for volunteers to present/summarize
and lead these discussions:

Agenda:

0. Welcome (Antoin 1 min.)

1. draft-ietf-eppext-reg (?? 5 min.)

2. Discussion: Is there sufficient consensus on current EPPEXT drafts
for standards track, or should they be informational? (?? 10 min.)

3. draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase/draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd (?? 5 min.)

4. Discussion on protocol extension, object extension, or a
command-response extension to progress draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay (??
20 min.)

5. draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap (?? 10 min.)

6. Discuss if we take on new work items/documents/extensions,
recharter or close down (?? 10 min.)

7. AOB



- --
Antoin Verschuren

Technical Policy Advisor SIDN
Meander 501, PO Box 5022, 6802 EA Arnhem, The Netherlands

P: +31 26 3525500  M: +31 6 23368970
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<div><br>
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<div>We may want to collaborate on the bundling extension that you=A1=AFre =
referring to. &nbsp;We have a custom Related Domain EPP Extension (&nbsp;<a=
 href=3D"http://www.verisigninc.com/assets/epp-sdk/verisign_epp-extension_r=
elated-domain_v00.html">http://www.verisigninc.com/assets/epp-sdk/verisign_=
epp-extension_related-domain_v00.html</a>&nbsp;)
 that looks to solve the same or similar problem. &nbsp;I will be at IETF-9=
1, so if there is no time to bring up new extensions at the EPPEXT meeting,=
 we could setup a time to discuss this extension f2f. &nbsp;Others from the=
 WG can participate in the f2f if there is
 interest. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Collaborating on like or overlapping extensions that can be combined, =
and that may eventually mature up the IETF standards process, is a good exa=
mple of the purpose of the Registration Operations Industry Association. &n=
bsp;The Registration Operation Industry
 Association will be discussed on Thursday, October 16th, during the week o=
f ICANN 51 in LA. &nbsp;Please see Scott Hollenbeck=A1=AFs blog postings (&=
nbsp;<a href=3D"http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140919_is_it_time_for_regis=
tration_operations_industry_association_part_3/">http://www.circleid.com/po=
sts/20140919_is_it_time_for_registration_operations_industry_association_pa=
rt_3/</a>&nbsp;)
 for more information.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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ic.cn">nkong@cnnic.cn</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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Hi Antoin,<br>
<br>
I=A1=AFll attend in person.<br>
<br>
BTW, I wonder if I can apply a 10 minutes slot to discuss a new extension f=
or bundling. IMO, a generic bundling mechanism makes sense for registries t=
o handle not only IDN variants registration issue but also same SLD registr=
ations among several gTLDs. I=A1=AFm
 writing a draft on this topic and going to submit it in several weeks.<br>
<br>
Although I know working on other new extensions is out of scope of the curr=
ent WG=A1=AFs charter, I still hope I can get a F2F chance to discuss this =
idea. My only intent is to get F2F feedbacks from the WG which I think is t=
he only appropriate Working Group to
 present and discuss this kind of issue.<br>
<br>
Furthermore, I=A1=AFm curious if in future more new ideas of proposing new =
extensions want to be F2F discussed by the EPP community before formally su=
bmit to the Extension Registry for the EPP, do you guys think is it necessa=
ry for the WG to provide such opportunity
 before really closing itself? IMHO, it=A1=AFs better that if the WG can re=
main to be alive and provide helps for several new extensions for some time=
 even after finishing all the milestones of the current charter.<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Ning<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
=D4=DA 2014=C4=EA9=D4=C223=C8=D5=A3=AC=CF=C2=CE=E75:47=A3=ACAntoin Verschur=
en &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:antoin.verschuren@sidn.nl">antoin.verschuren@sidn.=
nl</a>&gt; =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA<br>
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<br>
So far the chairs received 3 requests to have an EPPEXT meeting<br>
@IETF91 in Honolulu, so we think it's wise to meet. We hope to have<br>
more than 5 participants, so could the silent members of the WG &#43;1 if<b=
r>
they plan to attend EPPEXT in Honolulu so we can request a proper<br>
meeting room?<br>
Or let us know if you plan to attend remotely.<br>
<br>
As for agenda items, please send them to the chairs if they don't show<br>
up in the proposed agenda below.<br>
<br>
We have identified a few issues on the list that were more or less<br>
fundamental and not for any particular WG document for f2f discussion.<br>
We intend to request for a 1,5 hour slot to have enough time to<br>
discuss, but I would like to ask for volunteers to present/summarize<br>
and lead these discussions:<br>
<br>
Agenda:<br>
<br>
0. Welcome (Antoin 1 min.)<br>
<br>
1. draft-ietf-eppext-reg (?? 5 min.)<br>
<br>
2. Discussion: Is there sufficient consensus on current EPPEXT drafts<br>
for standards track, or should they be informational? (?? 10 min.)<br>
<br>
3. draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase/draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd (?? 5 min.)<br>
<br>
4. Discussion on protocol extension, object extension, or a<br>
command-response extension to progress draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay (??<br>
20 min.)<br>
<br>
5. draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap (?? 10 min.)<br>
<br>
6. Discuss if we take on new work items/documents/extensions,<br>
recharter or close down (?? 10 min.)<br>
<br>
7. AOB<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
- -- <br>
Antoin Verschuren<br>
<br>
Technical Policy Advisor SIDN<br>
Meander 501, PO Box 5022, 6802 EA Arnhem, The Netherlands<br>
<br>
P: &#43;31 26 3525500 &nbsp;M: &#43;31 6 23368970<br>
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Hi James,

> We may want to collaborate on the bundling extension that you=A1=AFre =
referring to.  We have a custom Related Domain EPP Extension ( =
http://www.verisigninc.com/assets/epp-sdk/verisign_epp-extension_related-d=
omain_v00.html ) that looks to solve the same or similar problem.  I =
will be at IETF-91, so if there is no time to bring up new extensions at =
the EPPEXT meeting, we could setup a time to discuss this extension f2f. =
 Others from the WG can participate in the f2f if there is interest. =20
Thanks for your interest on the bundling extension. I=A1=AFll read the =
document you provided and discuss with you later. I=A1=AFd like to talk =
with you and more interested people on this topic at IETF 91. =20

> Collaborating on like or overlapping extensions that can be combined, =
and that may eventually mature up the IETF standards process, is a good =
example of the purpose of the Registration Operations Industry =
Association.  The Registration Operation Industry Association will be =
discussed on Thursday, October 16th, during the week of ICANN 51 in LA.  =
Please see Scott Hollenbeck=A1=AFs blog postings ( =
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140919_is_it_time_for_registration_operati=
ons_industry_association_part_3/ ) for more information.
Thanks for your info. I=A1=AFll participate remotely and keep on =
following this activity.=20

Cheers,
Ning


> On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Ning Kong <nkong@cnnic.cn> wrote:
>=20
>>=20
>> Hi Antoin,
>>=20
>> I=A1=AFll attend in person.
>>=20
>> BTW, I wonder if I can apply a 10 minutes slot to discuss a new =
extension for bundling. IMO, a generic bundling mechanism makes sense =
for registries to handle not only IDN variants registration issue but =
also same SLD registrations among several gTLDs. I=A1=AFm writing a =
draft on this topic and going to submit it in several weeks.
>>=20
>> Although I know working on other new extensions is out of scope of =
the current WG=A1=AFs charter, I still hope I can get a F2F chance to =
discuss this idea. My only intent is to get F2F feedbacks from the WG =
which I think is the only appropriate Working Group to present and =
discuss this kind of issue.
>>=20
>> Furthermore, I=A1=AFm curious if in future more new ideas of =
proposing new extensions want to be F2F discussed by the EPP community =
before formally submit to the Extension Registry for the EPP, do you =
guys think is it necessary for the WG to provide such opportunity before =
really closing itself? IMHO, it=A1=AFs better that if the WG can remain =
to be alive and provide helps for several new extensions for some time =
even after finishing all the milestones of the current charter.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>> Ning
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> =D4=DA 2014=C4=EA9=D4=C223=C8=D5=A3=AC=CF=C2=CE=E75:47=A3=ACAntoin =
Verschuren <antoin.verschuren@sidn.nl> =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA
>>=20
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>>>=20
>>> Dear all,
>>>=20
>>> So far the chairs received 3 requests to have an EPPEXT meeting
>>> @IETF91 in Honolulu, so we think it's wise to meet. We hope to have
>>> more than 5 participants, so could the silent members of the WG +1 =
if
>>> they plan to attend EPPEXT in Honolulu so we can request a proper
>>> meeting room?
>>> Or let us know if you plan to attend remotely.
>>>=20
>>> As for agenda items, please send them to the chairs if they don't =
show
>>> up in the proposed agenda below.
>>>=20
>>> We have identified a few issues on the list that were more or less
>>> fundamental and not for any particular WG document for f2f =
discussion.
>>> We intend to request for a 1,5 hour slot to have enough time to
>>> discuss, but I would like to ask for volunteers to present/summarize
>>> and lead these discussions:
>>>=20
>>> Agenda:
>>>=20
>>> 0. Welcome (Antoin 1 min.)
>>>=20
>>> 1. draft-ietf-eppext-reg (?? 5 min.)
>>>=20
>>> 2. Discussion: Is there sufficient consensus on current EPPEXT =
drafts
>>> for standards track, or should they be informational? (?? 10 min.)
>>>=20
>>> 3. draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase/draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd (?? 5 =
min.)
>>>=20
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(??
>>> 20 min.)
>>>=20
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>>> recharter or close down (?? 10 min.)
>>>=20
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>>>=20
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>>>=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;"><div><br></div><div>Hi =
James,</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;">
<div>We may want to collaborate on the bundling extension that you=A1=AFre=
 referring to. &nbsp;We have a custom Related Domain EPP Extension =
(&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://www.verisigninc.com/assets/epp-sdk/verisign_epp-extension_r=
elated-domain_v00.html">http://www.verisigninc.com/assets/epp-sdk/verisign=
_epp-extension_related-domain_v00.html</a>&nbsp;)
 that looks to solve the same or similar problem. &nbsp;I will be at =
IETF-91, so if there is no time to bring up new extensions at the EPPEXT =
meeting, we could setup a time to discuss this extension f2f. =
&nbsp;Others from the WG can participate in the f2f if there is
 interest. &nbsp;</div></div></blockquote><div>Thanks for your interest =
on the bundling extension. I=A1=AFll read the document you provided and =
discuss with you later. I=A1=AFd like to talk with you and more =
interested people on this topic at IETF 91. &nbsp;</div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">

<div>Collaborating on like or overlapping extensions that can be =
combined, and that may eventually mature up the IETF standards process, =
is a good example of the purpose of the Registration Operations Industry =
Association. &nbsp;The Registration Operation Industry
 Association will be discussed on Thursday, October 16th, during the =
week of ICANN 51 in LA. &nbsp;Please see Scott Hollenbeck=A1=AFs blog =
postings (&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140919_is_it_time_for_registration=
_operations_industry_association_part_3/">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20=
140919_is_it_time_for_registration_operations_industry_association_part_3/=
</a>&nbsp;)
 for more information.</div></div></blockquote>Thanks for your info. =
I=A1=AFll participate remotely and keep on following this =
activity.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Ning<br><br><br=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">
<div>
<div>On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Ning Kong &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:nkong@cnnic.cn">nkong@cnnic.cn</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
Hi Antoin,<br>
<br>
I=A1=AFll attend in person.<br>
<br>
BTW, I wonder if I can apply a 10 minutes slot to discuss a new =
extension for bundling. IMO, a generic bundling mechanism makes sense =
for registries to handle not only IDN variants registration issue but =
also same SLD registrations among several gTLDs. I=A1=AFm
 writing a draft on this topic and going to submit it in several =
weeks.<br>
<br>
Although I know working on other new extensions is out of scope of the =
current WG=A1=AFs charter, I still hope I can get a F2F chance to =
discuss this idea. My only intent is to get F2F feedbacks from the WG =
which I think is the only appropriate Working Group to
 present and discuss this kind of issue.<br>
<br>
Furthermore, I=A1=AFm curious if in future more new ideas of proposing =
new extensions want to be F2F discussed by the EPP community before =
formally submit to the Extension Registry for the EPP, do you guys think =
is it necessary for the WG to provide such opportunity
 before really closing itself? IMHO, it=A1=AFs better that if the WG can =
remain to be alive and provide helps for several new extensions for some =
time even after finishing all the milestones of the current charter.<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Ning<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
=D4=DA 2014=C4=EA9=D4=C223=C8=D5=A3=AC=CF=C2=CE=E75:47=A3=ACAntoin =
Verschuren &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:antoin.verschuren@sidn.nl">antoin.verschuren@sidn.nl</a>&gt=
; =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA<br>
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Dear all,<br>
<br>
So far the chairs received 3 requests to have an EPPEXT meeting<br>
@IETF91 in Honolulu, so we think it's wise to meet. We hope to have<br>
more than 5 participants, so could the silent members of the WG +1 =
if<br>
they plan to attend EPPEXT in Honolulu so we can request a proper<br>
meeting room?<br>
Or let us know if you plan to attend remotely.<br>
<br>
As for agenda items, please send them to the chairs if they don't =
show<br>
up in the proposed agenda below.<br>
<br>
We have identified a few issues on the list that were more or less<br>
fundamental and not for any particular WG document for f2f =
discussion.<br>
We intend to request for a 1,5 hour slot to have enough time to<br>
discuss, but I would like to ask for volunteers to present/summarize<br>
and lead these discussions:<br>
<br>
Agenda:<br>
<br>
0. Welcome (Antoin 1 min.)<br>
<br>
1. draft-ietf-eppext-reg (?? 5 min.)<br>
<br>
2. Discussion: Is there sufficient consensus on current EPPEXT =
drafts<br>
for standards track, or should they be informational? (?? 10 min.)<br>
<br>
3. draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase/draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd (?? 5 =
min.)<br>
<br>
4. Discussion on protocol extension, object extension, or a<br>
command-response extension to progress draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay =
(??<br>
20 min.)<br>
<br>
5. draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap (?? 10 min.)<br>
<br>
6. Discuss if we take on new work items/documents/extensions,<br>
recharter or close down (?? 10 min.)<br>
<br>
7. AOB<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
- -- <br>
Antoin Verschuren<br>
<br>
Technical Policy Advisor SIDN<br>
Meander 501, PO Box 5022, 6802 EA Arnhem, The Netherlands<br>
<br>
P: +31 26 3525500 &nbsp;M: +31 6 23368970<br>
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>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Extensible Provisioning Protocol Extensions Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Launch Phase Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
        Authors         : James Gould
                          Wil Tan
                          Gavin Brown
	Filename        : draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase-02.txt
	Pages           : 52
	Date            : 2014-09-25

Abstract:
   This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
   extension mapping for the provisioning and management of domain name
   registrations and applications during the launch of a domain name
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On 23/09/14 11:47, Antoin Verschuren wrote:

> so could the silent members of the WG +1 if
> they plan to attend EPPEXT in Honolulu so we can request a proper
> meeting room? Or let us know if you plan to attend remotely.

+1 in person.

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Hi all,

I've just published a new version of the EPP fee extension draft.
Feedback is welcome.

Changes in this version:

   1.  Added the "applied" attribute to to <fee:fee> elements.

   2.  Simplified the wording in relation to when a server can return an
       error for extended <info> commands.

   3.  Added the <fee:period> element to transfer query responses.

   4.  Removed wording about how servers behave when receiving incorrect
       fee information from transform commands, and put it into a single
       section at the top of the document.

   5.  Allow servers to omit <fee:fee> elements from <fee:cd> elements
       if the command specified by the client is forbidden.

Many thanks to those who gave feedback on the previous version.

The long-term roadmap has two items suggested by Jim Gould:

* make the extension object-agnostic so it can be used for billable
transactions against any object, not just standard domain names

* use a special <check> form that's similar to the Claims Check form in
draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase, so availability check results are
excluded when doing a fee check (and vice versa).

Regards,

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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-fees-03.txt
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To: Gavin Brown <gavin.brown@centralnic.com>, Gavin Brown
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A new version of I-D, draft-brown-epp-fees-03.txt
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Name:		draft-brown-epp-fees
Revision:	03
Title:		Registry Fee Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol
(EPP)
Document date:	2014-09-29
Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		34
URL:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brown-epp-fees-03.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brown-epp-fees/
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Abstract:
   This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
   extension mapping for registry fees.





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for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries
https://www.centralnic.com/

CentralNic Group plc is a company registered in England and Wales with
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Gavin,

Thanks for moving this draft along.  I provide rationale for the roadmap it=
ems that you attributed to me below.  One other item discussed privately th=
at I would like to bring up publicly is the addition of an enumerated =93ty=
pe=94 attribute for the <fee:fee> element that even the <fee:credit> elemen=
t specifies the type of fee or credit without having to rely on an out-of-b=
and mechanism to map the =93description=94 attribute to something meaningfu=
l to the client.  The text could state that the <fee:fee> value is always a=
 sum of any unit based fee.  Possible values for the <fee:fee> =93type=94 a=
ttribute could include values like:


  *   =93fixed=94 - A fixed fee charged independent of the period.
  *   =93unit=94 - Total unit fee charged based on the period.
  *   =93tax=94 - Tax charged
  *   =93custom=94 - Support for a custom fee, where the =93description=94 =
or another attribute like =93name=94 could be used to specify the custom fe=
e type.
  *   =93total=94 - Total fee based by applying all of the fees and credits=
.  This could be the default =93type=94 value.




=97


JG


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On Sep 29, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Gavin Brown <gavin.brown@centralnic.com<mailt=
o:gavin.brown@centralnic.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I've just published a new version of the EPP fee extension draft.
Feedback is welcome.

Changes in this version:

  1.  Added the "applied" attribute to to <fee:fee> elements.

  2.  Simplified the wording in relation to when a server can return an
      error for extended <info> commands.

  3.  Added the <fee:period> element to transfer query responses.

  4.  Removed wording about how servers behave when receiving incorrect
      fee information from transform commands, and put it into a single
      section at the top of the document.

  5.  Allow servers to omit <fee:fee> elements from <fee:cd> elements
      if the command specified by the client is forbidden.

Many thanks to those who gave feedback on the previous version.

The long-term roadmap has two items suggested by Jim Gould:

* make the extension object-agnostic so it can be used for billable
transactions against any object, not just standard domain names


New billable objects can and have been defined using EPP, where de-coupling=
 the fees extension from the single domain name object, will make it more g=
eneric and applicable to existing and future EPP objects.  For example in .=
NAME, there is the definition of three additional billable EPP objects with=
 Defensive Registration, Email Forwarding, and NameWatch.  The fees extensi=
on could be made object agnostic with some text changes and some minor sche=
ma changes.  For example, it is pretty straight forward to change the <fee:=
domain> element to the <fee:entity> element in the extension to the domain =
check command, where all billable objects / entities would need to support =
a name attribute along with the other fees attributes.  In the case of .NAM=
E the three objects of Defensive Registration, Email Forwarding, and NameWa=
tch all support a name attribute, so they could be supported with the fees =
extension.  This way there would be no need to define yet another fees / pr=
ice extension to support other EPP billable objects or ignore the reference=
 to =93domain=94 in the <fee:domain> element for non-domain objects.


* use a special <check> form that's similar to the Claims Check form in
draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase, so availability check results are
excluded when doing a fee check (and vice versa).


I actually question the applicability of extending the check command at all=
 for the fee extension, since I view the fee information as the responsibil=
ity of the info command / response and not the check command.   I believe t=
hat the check command should be used to answer a boolean question like "is =
the domain available?" or "is there a mark associated with the domain name?=
=94 or =93is the fee correct?".  In this case, the boolean question of whet=
her a domain name is available is being mixed with a non-boolean question l=
isting the fee information based on a list of domain names, each with the c=
ommand, and optionally the period and currency.  If the fee check was chang=
ed into an actual boolean question like checking if the passed fee informat=
ion is correct ahead of the future execution of a billable transform comman=
d (create, renew, transfer, restore), then I would view it as a different v=
erb that would be handled in a similar fashion to the claims check command =
of draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase.  For example, I would make the fee check =
command to be an extension of a check command (domain or any object) that a=
dds a single set of fee check properties that are applied to each of the ob=
jects to validate by the server and return whether the fee passed is valid =
in the response and if not optionally return the correct fee information.  =
In this case the fee check command is used to answer the boolean question o=
f whether the fee of 5.00 USD passed by the client is correct for a create =
of one year, during sunrise.  The info command and response extension can b=
e used to get the fee information ahead of time if not already known.


   C: <?xml version=3D"1.0" encoding=3D"utf-8" standalone=3D"no"?>
   C: <epp xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:epp-1.0">
   C:   <command>
   C:     <check>
   C:       <domain:check
   C:         xmlns:domain=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0">
   C:         <domain:name>example.com<http://example.com></domain:name>
   C:         <domain:name>example.net<http://example.net></domain:name>
   C:         <domain:name>example.org<http://example.org></domain:name>
   C:       </domain:check>
   C:     </check>
   C:     <extension>
   C:       <fee:check
   C:         xmlns:fee=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:fee-0.6">
   C:         <fee:currency>USD</fee:currency>
   C:         <fee:command phase=3D"sunrise">create</fee:command>
   C:         <fee:period unit=3D"y">1</fee:period>


   S:         <fee:fee>5.00</fee:fee>


C: </fee:check> C: </extension> C: <clTRID>ABC-12345</clTRID> C: </command>=
 C: </epp>




   S: <?xml version=3D"1.0" encoding=3D"utf-8" standalone=3D"no"?>
   S: <epp xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:epp-1.0">
   S:   <response>
   S:     <result code=3D"1000">
   S:       <msg>Command completed successfully</msg>
   S:     </result>

   S:     <extension>


   S:       <fee:chkData
   S:         xmlns:fee=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:fee-0.6">
   S:         <fee:cd>
   S:           <fee:name valid=3D=931">example.com<http://example.com></fe=
e:name>
   S:         </fee:cd>
   S:         <fee:cd>
   S:           <fee:name valid=3D=930">example.net<http://example.net></fe=
e:name>
   S:           <fee:currency>USD</fee:currency>
   S:           <fee:fee>10.00</fee:fee>
   S:         </fee:cd>
   S:         <fee:cd>
   S:           <fee:name valid=3D=930">example.org<http://example.org></fe=
e:name>
   S:           <fee:currency>USD</fee:currency>
   S:           <fee:fee description=3D=93Fixed Fee">2.50</fee:fee>
   S:           <fee:fee description=3D=93Annual Fee=94>7.00</fee:fee>


   S:           <fee:fee>9.50</fee:fee>


S: </fee:cd> S: <fee:cd> S: <fee:name valid=3D=930">example.xyz</fee:name> =
S: <fee:currency>USD</fee:currency>

   S:           <fee:fee>15.00</fee:fee>


S: <fee:class>premium-tier1</fee:class> S: </fee:cd>

   S:       </fee:chkData>


   S:     </extension>
   S:     <trID>
   S:       <clTRID>ABC-12345</clTRID>
   S:       <svTRID>54322-XYZ</svTRID>
   S:     </trID>
   S:   </response>
   S: </epp>




Regards,

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-fees-03.txt
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 06:52:20 -0700
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>
To: Gavin Brown <gavin.brown@centralnic.com<mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.c=
om>>, Gavin Brown
<gavin.brown@centralnic.com<mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com>>


A new version of I-D, draft-brown-epp-fees-03.txt
has been successfully submitted by Gavin Brown and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-brown-epp-fees
Revision: 03
Title: Registry Fee Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol
(EPP)
Document date: 2014-09-29
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 34
URL:
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Abstract:
  This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
  extension mapping for registry fees.





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</div>
<div>Thanks for moving this draft along. &nbsp;I provide rationale for the =
roadmap items that you attributed to me below. &nbsp;One other item discuss=
ed privately that I would like to bring up publicly is the addition of an e=
numerated =93type=94 attribute for the &lt;fee:fee&gt;
 element that even the &lt;fee:credit&gt; element specifies the type of fee=
 or credit without having to rely on an out-of-band mechanism to map the =
=93description=94 attribute to something meaningful to the client. &nbsp;Th=
e text could state that the &lt;fee:fee&gt; value is always
 a sum of any unit based fee. &nbsp;Possible values for the &lt;fee:fee&gt;=
 =93type=94 attribute could include values like:</div>
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</div>
<div>
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<li>=93fixed=94 - A fixed fee charged independent of the period.</li><li>=
=93unit=94 - Total unit fee charged based on the period.</li><li>=93tax=94 =
- Tax charged&nbsp;</li><li>=93custom=94 - Support for a custom fee, where =
the =93description=94 or another attribute like =93name=94 could be used to=
 specify the custom fee type. &nbsp;</li><li>=93total=94 - Total fee based =
by applying all of the fees and credits. &nbsp;This could be the default =
=93type=94 value. &nbsp;</li></ul>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<br>
<div>
<div>On Sep 29, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Gavin Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gavin.=
brown@centralnic.com">gavin.brown@centralnic.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi all,<br>
<br>
I've just published a new version of the EPP fee extension draft.<br>
Feedback is welcome.<br>
<br>
Changes in this version:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;1. &nbsp;Added the &quot;applied&quot; attribute to to &lt;fee:=
fee&gt; elements.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;2. &nbsp;Simplified the wording in relation to when a server ca=
n return an<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;error for extended &lt;info&gt; command=
s.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;3. &nbsp;Added the &lt;fee:period&gt; element to transfer query=
 responses.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;4. &nbsp;Removed wording about how servers behave when receivin=
g incorrect<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;fee information from transform commands=
, and put it into a single<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;section at the top of the document.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;5. &nbsp;Allow servers to omit &lt;fee:fee&gt; elements from &l=
t;fee:cd&gt; elements<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;if the command specified by the client =
is forbidden.<br>
<br>
Many thanks to those who gave feedback on the previous version.<br>
<br>
The long-term roadmap has two items suggested by Jim Gould:<br>
<br>
* make the extension object-agnostic so it can be used for billable<br>
transactions against any object, not just standard domain names<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>New billable objects can and have been defined using EPP, where de-cou=
pling the fees extension from the single domain name object, will make it m=
ore generic and applicable to existing and future EPP objects. &nbsp;For ex=
ample in .NAME, there is the definition
 of three additional billable EPP objects with Defensive Registration, Emai=
l Forwarding, and NameWatch. &nbsp;The fees extension could be made object =
agnostic with some text changes and some minor schema changes. &nbsp;For ex=
ample, it is pretty straight forward to change
 the &lt;fee:domain&gt; element to the &lt;fee:entity&gt; element in the ex=
tension to the domain check command, where all billable objects / entities =
would need to support a name attribute along with the other fees attributes=
. &nbsp;In the case of .NAME the three objects of
 Defensive Registration, Email Forwarding, and NameWatch all support a name=
 attribute, so they could be supported with the fees extension. &nbsp;This =
way there would be no need to define yet another fees / price extension to =
support other EPP billable objects or
 ignore the reference to =93domain=94 in the &lt;fee:domain&gt; element for=
 non-domain objects.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">* use a special &lt;check&gt; form that's similar=
 to the Claims Check form in<br>
draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase, so availability check results are<br>
excluded when doing a fee check (and vice versa).<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I actually question the applicability of extending the check command a=
t all for the fee extension, since I view the fee information as the respon=
sibility of the info command / response and not the check command. &nbsp; I=
 believe that the check command should
 be used to answer a boolean question like &quot;is the domain available?&q=
uot; or &quot;is there a mark associated with the domain name?=94 or =93is =
the fee correct?&quot;. &nbsp;In this case, the boolean question of whether=
 a domain name is available is being mixed with a non-boolean
 question listing the fee information based on a list of domain names, each=
 with the command, and optionally the period and currency. &nbsp;If the fee=
 check was changed into an actual boolean question like checking if the pas=
sed fee information is correct ahead
 of the future execution of a billable transform command (create, renew, tr=
ansfer, restore), then I would view it as a different verb that would be ha=
ndled in a similar fashion to the claims check command of draft-ietf-eppext=
-launchphase. &nbsp;For example, I would
 make the fee check command to be an extension of a check command (domain o=
r any object) that adds a single set of fee check properties that are appli=
ed to each of the objects to validate by the server and return whether the =
fee passed is valid in the response
 and if not optionally return the correct fee information. &nbsp;In this ca=
se the fee check command is used to answer the boolean question of whether =
the fee of 5.00 USD passed by the client is correct for a create of one yea=
r, during sunrise. &nbsp;The info command
 and response extension can be used to get the fee information ahead of tim=
e if not already known. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<pre class=3D"newpage" style=3D"font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bot=
tom: 0px; page-break-before: always;">   C: &lt;?xml version=3D&quot;1.0&qu=
ot; encoding=3D&quot;utf-8&quot; standalone=3D&quot;no&quot;?&gt;
   C: &lt;epp xmlns=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:epp-1.0&quot;&gt;
   C:   &lt;command&gt;
   C:     &lt;check&gt;
   C:       &lt;domain:check
   C:         xmlns:domain=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0&quot;&=
gt;
   C:         &lt;domain:name&gt;<a href=3D"http://example.com">example.com=
</a>&lt;/domain:name&gt;
   C:         &lt;domain:name&gt;<a href=3D"http://example.net">example.net=
</a>&lt;/domain:name&gt;
   C:         &lt;domain:name&gt;<a href=3D"http://example.org">example.org=
</a>&lt;/domain:name&gt;
   C:       &lt;/domain:check&gt;
   C:     &lt;/check&gt;
   C:     &lt;extension&gt;
   C:       &lt;fee:check
   C:         xmlns:fee=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:fee-0.6&quot;&gt;
   C:         &lt;fee:currency&gt;USD&lt;/fee:currency&gt;
   C:         &lt;fee:command phase=3D&quot;sunrise&quot;&gt;create&lt;/fee=
:command&gt;
   C:         &lt;fee:period unit=3D&quot;y&quot;&gt;1&lt;/fee:period&gt;
<pre class=3D"newpage" style=3D"font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bot=
tom: 0px; page-break-before: always;">   S:         &lt;fee:fee&gt;5.00&lt;=
/fee:fee&gt;
</pre>   C:       &lt;/fee:check&gt;
   C:     &lt;/extension&gt;
   C:     &lt;clTRID&gt;ABC-12345&lt;/clTRID&gt;
   C:   &lt;/command&gt;
   C: &lt;/epp&gt;
</pre>
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<pre class=3D"newpage" style=3D"font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bot=
tom: 0px; page-break-before: always;">   S: &lt;?xml version=3D&quot;1.0&qu=
ot; encoding=3D&quot;utf-8&quot; standalone=3D&quot;no&quot;?&gt;
   S: &lt;epp xmlns=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:epp-1.0&quot;&gt;
   S:   &lt;response&gt;
   S:     &lt;result code=3D&quot;1000&quot;&gt;
   S:       &lt;msg&gt;Command completed successfully&lt;/msg&gt;
   S:     &lt;/result&gt;</pre>
<pre class=3D"newpage" style=3D"font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bot=
tom: 0px; page-break-before: always;"><span style=3D"font-size: 1em;">   S:=
     &lt;extension&gt;</span>
</pre>
<pre class=3D"newpage" style=3D"font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bot=
tom: 0px; page-break-before: always;">   S:       &lt;fee:chkData
   S:         xmlns:fee=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:fee-0.6&quot;&gt;
   S:         &lt;fee:cd&gt;
   S:           &lt;fee:name valid=3D=931&quot;&gt;<a href=3D"http://exampl=
e.com">example.com</a>&lt;/fee:name&gt;
   S:         &lt;/fee:cd&gt;
   S:         &lt;fee:cd&gt;
   S:           &lt;fee:name valid=3D=930&quot;&gt;<a href=3D"http://exampl=
e.net">example.net</a>&lt;/fee:name&gt;
   S:           &lt;fee:currency&gt;USD&lt;/fee:currency&gt;
   S:           &lt;fee:fee&gt;10.00&lt;/fee:fee&gt;
   S:         &lt;/fee:cd&gt;
   S:         &lt;fee:cd&gt;
   S:           &lt;fee:name valid=3D=930&quot;&gt;<a href=3D"http://exampl=
e.org">example.org</a>&lt;/fee:name&gt;
   S:           &lt;fee:currency&gt;USD&lt;/fee:currency&gt;
   S:           &lt;fee:fee description=3D=93Fixed Fee&quot;&gt;2.50&lt;/fe=
e:fee&gt;
   S:           &lt;fee:fee description=3D=93Annual Fee=94&gt;7.00&lt;/fee:=
fee&gt;
<pre class=3D"newpage" style=3D"font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bot=
tom: 0px; page-break-before: always;">   S:           &lt;fee:fee&gt;9.50&l=
t;/fee:fee&gt;
</pre>   S:         &lt;/fee:cd&gt;
   S:         &lt;fee:cd&gt;
   S:           &lt;fee:name valid=3D=930&quot;&gt;example.xyz&lt;/fee:name=
&gt;
   S:           &lt;fee:currency&gt;USD&lt;/fee:currency&gt;
<pre class=3D"newpage" style=3D"font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bot=
tom: 0px; page-break-before: always;">   S:           &lt;fee:fee&gt;15.00&=
lt;/fee:fee&gt;
</pre>   S:           &lt;fee:class&gt;premium-tier1&lt;/fee:class&gt;
   S:         &lt;/fee:cd&gt;</pre>
<pre class=3D"newpage" style=3D"font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bot=
tom: 0px; page-break-before: always;"><span style=3D"font-size: 1em;">   S:=
       &lt;/fee:chkData&gt;</span>
</pre>
<pre class=3D"newpage" style=3D"font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bot=
tom: 0px; page-break-before: always;">   S:     &lt;/extension&gt;
   S:     &lt;trID&gt;
   S:       &lt;clTRID&gt;ABC-12345&lt;/clTRID&gt;
   S:       &lt;svTRID&gt;54322-XYZ&lt;/svTRID&gt;
   S:     &lt;/trID&gt;
   S:   &lt;/response&gt;
   S: &lt;/epp&gt;
</pre>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">Regards,<br>
<br>
-------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-fees-03.txt<br>
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 06:52:20 -0700<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org<=
/a><br>
To: Gavin Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com">gavin.bro=
wn@centralnic.com</a>&gt;, Gavin Brown<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com">gavin.brown@centralnic.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
A new version of I-D, draft-brown-epp-fees-03.txt<br>
has been successfully submitted by Gavin Brown and posted to the<br>
IETF repository.<br>
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Name:<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span><span=
 class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>draft-brown-epp-=
fees<br>
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3<br>
Title:<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span><spa=
n class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>Registry Fee Ex=
tension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol<br>
(EPP)<br>
Document date:<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </s=
pan>2014-09-29<br>
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g/doc/draft-brown-epp-fees/</a><br>
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ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-brown-epp-fees-03</a><br>
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Abstract:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EP=
P)<br>
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Does the WG want to put any limitations on the Reference portion of the
registry entry?  I was wondering how useful the Reference field would be
if the link was: 1) behind a paywall, 2) restricted to "members", or 3)
not publicly available.



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