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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 01:25:56 -0000 Hi Charlie, While reviewing your comments, I came upon one that I don't understand: > 3.5.6.1. Flooding > ... > A GRASP device with multiple link-layer interfaces (typically a > router) MUST support synchronization flooding on all interfaces. If > it receives a multicast Flood Synchronization message on a given > interface, it MUST relay it by re-issuing a Flood Synchronization > message on its other interfaces. The relayed message MUST have the > same Session ID as the incoming message and MUST be tagged with the > IP address of its original initiator. > > CEP: I am pretty sure this is a mistake. Why, please? Running code says it works fine. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 21:07:24 -0000 Hello Brian, I probably should have said more. I just meant that such nodes ought to be allowed to have some network interfaces that do not participate in GRASP. Please excuse the unclear brevity of my remark. Regards, Charlie P. On 3/1/2017 5:25 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Hi Charlie, > > While reviewing your comments, I came upon one that I don't understand: > >> 3.5.6.1. Flooding >> ... >> A GRASP device with multiple link-layer interfaces (typically a >> router) MUST support synchronization flooding on all interfaces. If >> it receives a multicast Flood Synchronization message on a given >> interface, it MUST relay it by re-issuing a Flood Synchronization >> message on its other interfaces. The relayed message MUST have the >> same Session ID as the incoming message and MUST be tagged with the >> IP address of its original initiator. >> >> CEP: I am pretty sure this is a mistake. > Why, please? 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([2406:e007:4e9f:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o125sm25155445pfb.109.2017.03.03.13.44.53 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Mar 2017 13:44:55 -0800 (PST) To: Charlie Perkins References: <148701816643.25075.11558262573283847855.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <1ea285fd-fff2-373f-eae3-bbe95f56fe9b@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 10:45:01 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-anima-grasp.all@ietf.org, anima@ietf.org, int-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Int-dir] Review of draft-ietf-anima-grasp-09 X-BeenThere: int-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is for discussion between the members of the Internet Area directorate." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 21:44:58 -0000 On 04/03/2017 10:07, Charlie Perkins wrote: > Hello Brian, > > I probably should have said more. I just meant that such nodes ought to > be allowed to have some network interfaces that do not participate in > GRASP. Please excuse the unclear brevity of my remark. No problem. This was a gap in the document as a whole. Easy to fix, fortunately. Thanks Brian > > Regards, > Charlie P. > > > On 3/1/2017 5:25 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> Hi Charlie, >> >> While reviewing your comments, I came upon one that I don't understand: >> >>> 3.5.6.1. Flooding >>> ... >>> A GRASP device with multiple link-layer interfaces (typically a >>> router) MUST support synchronization flooding on all interfaces. If >>> it receives a multicast Flood Synchronization message on a given >>> interface, it MUST relay it by re-issuing a Flood Synchronization >>> message on its other interfaces. The relayed message MUST have the >>> same Session ID as the incoming message and MUST be tagged with the >>> IP address of its original initiator. >>> >>> CEP: I am pretty sure this is a mistake. >> Why, please? Running code says it works fine. >> >> Regards >> Brian >> > > From nobody Fri Mar 3 16:28:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9DC128AB0; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 16:28:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xwqLs15Qg1Gu; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 16:28:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 314A312706D; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 16:28:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC80F2009E; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 19:50:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4475636BB; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 19:28:16 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Charlie Perkins In-Reply-To: References: <148701816643.25075.11558262573283847855.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-anima-grasp.all@ietf.org, Brian E Carpenter , anima@ietf.org, int-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Int-dir] [Anima] Review of draft-ietf-anima-grasp-09 X-BeenThere: int-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is for discussion between the members of the Internet Area directorate." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2017 00:28:19 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Charlie Perkins wrote: > I probably should have said more. I just meant that such nodes ought to be > allowed to have some network interfaces that do not participate in GRASP. > Please excuse the unclear brevity of my remark. Yes. generally, GRASP will be running over virtual interfaces provided by the ACP. The ACP is basically an overlay mesh using IP (maybe GRE) over IPsec transport mode using RPL to do routing. (IPsec Tunnel mode itself doesn't interact with routing protocols well. I wish I had an acronym for this very common usage...) So, nodes will have physical interfaces on which the ACP runs, and then ACP secured virtual interfaces on which GRASP will run. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2017 00:46:06 -0000 On 04/03/2017 13:28, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Charlie Perkins wrote: > > I probably should have said more. I just meant that such nodes ought to be > > allowed to have some network interfaces that do not participate in GRASP. > > Please excuse the unclear brevity of my remark. > > Yes. generally, GRASP will be running over virtual interfaces provided by > the ACP. The ACP is basically an overlay mesh using IP (maybe GRE) over > IPsec transport mode using RPL to do routing. (IPsec Tunnel mode itself > doesn't interact with routing protocols well. I wish I had an acronym for > this very common usage...) > > So, nodes will have physical interfaces on which the ACP runs, and then > ACP secured virtual interfaces on which GRASP will run. And then the limited > subset GRASP will be used on the physical interfaces to discover new possible > adjacencies. Yes. Those details don't really belong in the protocol spec, but we will adjust the wording because Charlie has pointed out that it's currently wrong. 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[IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF98131756 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:44:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dave Thaler To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148953869093.24347.8622563623082519513@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:44:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-dir] Review of draft-ietf-homenet-dot-03 X-BeenThere: int-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "This list is for discussion between the members of the Internet Area directorate." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 00:44:51 -0000 Reviewer: Dave Thaler Review result: Not Ready Section 6 says: IANA is requested to arrange for an insecure delegation for '.homenet' in the root zone. This delegation MUST NOT be signed, and MUST point to some IANA-operated black hole servers, for example BLACKHOLE-1.IANA.ORG and BLACKHOLE-2.IANA.ORG. Not signing the delegation breaks the DNSSEC chain of trust, which prevents a validating stub resolver from rejecting names on a local homenet. This request is being made under the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding [RFC2860] between IETF and ICANN; the IETF considers the use of '.homenet' to be a "technical use" under the terms of the MoU. The working group understands that there is no precedent for such a request and that some process may have to be developed for addressing it. My understanding is that IANA cannot "arrange for an insecure delegation for '.homenet' in the root zone" unless/until a process is first created for that. And if such a process were defined, it's not clear to me that it would be IANA's responsibility to "arrange for" it, and so I think it is premature to request IANA to do so. The last sentence quoted above is of course correct, but I believe the request cannot even be properly formed until after such a process has been developed, hence my evaluation of "not ready", and it won't be unless/until such a process exists. (As an aside, it's also not clear to me whether such a process will ever exist due to the problematic requirement that "delegation MUST NOT be signed", but there are others who know much more about this than I do.) A solution that allowed a response to be signed, even if it's just a signed NXDOMAIN or NXRRSET, would not have this issue.