From ips-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 02 12:46:04 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUQuu-0003jM-R7; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:45:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUQuu-0003jH-C3 for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:45:20 -0400 Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com ([128.222.32.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUQus-0003wX-0o for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:45:20 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (nagas.lss.emc.com [10.254.144.11]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k92GjFKl009551 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com (corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com [10.254.64.53]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k92Giaxp003001 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Black_David@emc.com Received: from CORPUSMX20A.corp.emc.com ([128.221.62.13]) by corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:45:04 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:45:03 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ips WG Last Call Complete - Node Architecture Key draft Thread-Index: AcbmQhvUbaR4SiLfQl6BgRQ31WJ9Sg== To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2006 16:45:04.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C339390:01C6E642] X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.10.2.91442 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=, SPAM=0%, Reason='EMC_BODY_1+ -3, EMC_FROM_0+ -2, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CP_NOT_1 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Cc: Black_David@emc.com Subject: [Ips] ips WG Last Call Complete - Node Architecture Key draft X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org This ips WG Last Call on the following draft is complete: Declarative Public Extension Key for iSCSI Node Architecture draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-01.txt The only comments I have on this draft seen are mine, and they're entirely editorial, so this draft has passed WG Last Call. The draft author (Dave Wysochanski) should submit a revised version addressing all of those comments. With respect to the following comment: > The only change I think might not be necessary is the one in Section 4. > There was an error in the -00 version of the draft, but I think the -01 > version is ok. >=20 >> Section 4: >>=20 >> The choice of which countermeasure is most appropriate depends on the >> environment. However, the first countermeasure may be acceptable in >> many environments, since it provides a compromise between sending too >> much information and the other more complete countermeasures of not >> sending the key at all or using IPsec. >>=20 >> I think this should say 'However, the latter countermeasure'. Recheck >> this text with respect to the immediately preceding paragraph in the >> draft. What needs to be done is in the last sentence quoted - recheck Section 4 in the next version to make sure this paragraph is consistent with the previous one. Please make sure the next version of the draft passes the online ID Nits Checker at: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ *before* submitting it in order to avoid being told to resubmit yet another version that does pass those checks. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips From ips-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 03 06:01:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUh5J-0007NH-Cn; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:01:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUh5I-0007LQ-0S for ips@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:01:08 -0400 Received: from taurus.voltaire.com ([193.47.165.240]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUh5H-0008Le-AF for ips@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:01:07 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:00:46 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Ips] Portal group discovery Thread-Index: AcbjhITgzLRjp0W7QWSiaDDfyTXruwDTGseQ From: "Dan Bar Dov" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7e267523e0685e5aa2dbbdde4b659686 Cc: William Studenmund , John Hufferd , Julian Satran X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0490509030==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0490509030== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6E6D2.CC966ADB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E6D2.CC966ADB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me try to explain how it can and does happen. =20 Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN=20 targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target name is generated from the FC = WWNN. =20 When there are more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is = possible and normal for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the same FC target. This is = not by mistake, rather, it allows fail-over between such routers, where the initiator = uses the multiple portals for failover. =20 Given such a configuration, how does the initiator discover it? option 1: the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine = information from the whole router cluster for sendTargets response. option 2: the initiator is configured with multiple discovery addresses = - one per router. =20 If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine information = discovered in discrete sendTargets responses and produce portal groups. =20 My question relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear = from the iSCSI spec, if such failover=20 between portals (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets = responses is allowed. =20 Thanks, Dan =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:05 AM To: William Studenmund Cc: Dan Bar Dov; ips@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 =09 This is not supposed to happen (getting partial data in a session)=20 If it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration (between the = two discovery sessions).=20 =09 Julo=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 William Studenmund =20 29/09/06 05:31=20 To Dan Bar Dov =20 cc ips@ietf.org=20 Subject Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 =09 On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: =09 > Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single portal group from =20 > information > collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery sessions? =09 I don't think you need two or more SendTargets discovery sessions. =20 You are supposed to hear about all portals in one SendTargets =20 response, so it's supposed to all be there. =09 If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being =20 followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span said =20 cards anyway. :-) =09 Take care, =09 Bill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) =09 iD8DBQFFHIV8DJT2Egh26K0RAtMRAJ0aABo+mr7HRWRf5ClX44sB15uSAACglrL7 oBLBpnH9PMvBjyu4RS+9dcc=3D =3D3dI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- =09 _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips =09 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E6D2.CC966ADB Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Let me try to explain how it can and does=20 happen.
 
Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or = router).=20 It provides FC SAN
targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target=20 name is generated from the FC WWNN.
 
When there are more then one such routers in = the iSCSI SAN,=20 it is possible and normal
for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the = same FC=20 target. This is not by mistake,
rather, it allows fail-over between such = routers, where the=20 initiator uses the multiple portals
for failover.
 
Given such a configuration, how does = the=20 initiator discover it?
option 1: the routers have "cluster awareness", = one router=20 can combine information from the whole
router cluster for sendTargets=20 response.
option 2: the initiator is configured with = multiple=20 discovery addresses - one per router.
 
If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs = to combine=20 information discovered in discrete sendTargets
responses and produce portal = groups.
 
My question relates specifically to that = situation -=20 it is not clear from the iSCSI spec, if such failover =
between portals (with the same pgt) discovered = in discrete=20 sendTargets responses is allowed.
 
Thanks,
Dan
 
 

From: Julian Satran=20 [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, September = 29, 2006=20 8:05 AM
To: William Studenmund
Cc: Dan Bar Dov;=20 ips@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery


This is not supposed = to happen=20 (getting partial data in a session)
If=20 it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration (between the two=20 discovery sessions).

Julo=20



William = Studenmund=20 <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>

29/09/06 05:31

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Dan Bar Dov=20 <danb@voltaire.com>=20
cc
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Subject
Re: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery

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On = Sep 28,=20 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote:

> Is it allowed for an=20 initiator to create a single portal group from  
>=20 information
> collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery = sessions?

I don't think you need two or more SendTargets = discovery=20 sessions.  
You are supposed to hear about all portals in one=20 SendTargets  
response, so it's supposed to all be = there.

If=20 you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being=20  
followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span = said=20  
cards anyway. :-)

Take = care,

Bill
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In your option 2 scenario, each router which provides a path to the target MUST advertise an unique Target Portal Group Tag (TPGT). The simplest reason is that you have no way to join connections on different routers into the same iSCSI session. =20 The way you achieve this is implementation-specific. =20 HTH, Ken ________________________________ From: Dan Bar Dov [mailto:danb@voltaire.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:01 To: ips@ietf.org Cc: William Studenmund; John Hufferd; Julian Satran Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery Let me try to explain how it can and does happen. =20 Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN=20 targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target name is generated from the FC WWNN. =20 When there are more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is possible and normal for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the same FC target. This is not by mistake, rather, it allows fail-over between such routers, where the initiator uses the multiple portals for failover. =20 Given such a configuration, how does the initiator discover it? option 1: the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine information from the whole router cluster for sendTargets response. option 2: the initiator is configured with multiple discovery addresses - one per router. =20 If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine information discovered in discrete sendTargets responses and produce portal groups. =20 My question relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear from the iSCSI spec, if such failover=20 between portals (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets responses is allowed. =20 Thanks, Dan =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:05 AM To: William Studenmund Cc: Dan Bar Dov; ips@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 =09 This is not supposed to happen (getting partial data in a session)=20 If it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration (between the two discovery sessions).=20 =09 Julo=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 William Studenmund =20 29/09/06 05:31=20 To Dan Bar Dov =20 cc ips@ietf.org=20 Subject Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery=09 =09 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 =09 On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: =09 > Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single portal group from =20 > information > collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery sessions? =09 I don't think you need two or more SendTargets discovery sessions. =20 You are supposed to hear about all portals in one SendTargets =20 response, so it's supposed to all be there. =09 If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being =20 followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span said =20 cards anyway. :-) =09 Take care, =09 Bill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) =09 iD8DBQFFHIV8DJT2Egh26K0RAtMRAJ0aABo+mr7HRWRf5ClX44sB15uSAACglrL7 oBLBpnH9PMvBjyu4RS+9dcc=3D =3D3dI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- =09 _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips =09 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E6DB.14807DFD Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dan,
 
The RFC is very clear about this. In your = option 2=20 scenario, each router which provides a path to the target MUST advertise = an=20 unique Target Portal Group Tag (TPGT). The simplest reason is that you = have no=20 way to join connections on different routers into the same iSCSI=20 session.
 
The way you achieve this is=20 implementation-specific.
 
HTH,
Ken

From: Dan Bar Dov = [mailto:danb@voltaire.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:01
To:=20 ips@ietf.org
Cc: William Studenmund; John Hufferd; Julian=20 Satran
Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group = discovery

Let me try to explain how it can and does=20 happen.
 
Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or = router).=20 It provides FC SAN
targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target=20 name is generated from the FC WWNN.
 
When there are more then one such routers in = the iSCSI SAN,=20 it is possible and normal
for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the = same FC=20 target. This is not by mistake,
rather, it allows fail-over between such = routers, where the=20 initiator uses the multiple portals
for failover.
 
Given such a configuration, how does = the=20 initiator discover it?
option 1: the routers have "cluster awareness", = one router=20 can combine information from the whole
router cluster for sendTargets=20 response.
option 2: the initiator is configured with = multiple=20 discovery addresses - one per router.
 
If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs = to combine=20 information discovered in discrete sendTargets
responses and produce portal = groups.
 
My question relates specifically to that = situation -=20 it is not clear from the iSCSI spec, if such failover =
between portals (with the same pgt) discovered = in discrete=20 sendTargets responses is allowed.
 
Thanks,
Dan
 
 

From: Julian Satran=20 [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, September = 29, 2006=20 8:05 AM
To: William Studenmund
Cc: Dan Bar Dov;=20 ips@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery


This is not supposed = to happen=20 (getting partial data in a session)
If=20 it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration (between the two=20 discovery sessions).

Julo=20



William = Studenmund=20 <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>

29/09/06 05:31

To
Dan Bar Dov=20 <danb@voltaire.com>=20
cc
ips@ietf.org=20
Subject
Re: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery

=




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On = Sep 28,=20 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote:

> Is it allowed for an=20 initiator to create a single portal group from  
>=20 information
> collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery = sessions?

I don't think you need two or more SendTargets = discovery=20 sessions.  
You are supposed to hear about all portals in one=20 SendTargets  
response, so it's supposed to all be = there.

If=20 you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being=20  
followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span = said=20  
cards anyway. :-)

Take = care,

Bill
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However, is it not possible to have a single active connection,=20 and fail-over to a new (or a standby) connection ? =20 Dan ________________________________ From: Sandars, Ken [mailto:ken_sandars@adaptec.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:00 PM To: Dan Bar Dov; ips@ietf.org Cc: William Studenmund; John Hufferd; Julian Satran Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 =09 Dan, =20 The RFC is very clear about this. In your option 2 scenario, each = router which provides a path to the target MUST advertise an unique = Target Portal Group Tag (TPGT). The simplest reason is that you have no = way to join connections on different routers into the same iSCSI = session. =20 The way you achieve this is implementation-specific. =20 HTH, Ken ________________________________ From: Dan Bar Dov [mailto:danb@voltaire.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:01 To: ips@ietf.org Cc: William Studenmund; John Hufferd; Julian Satran Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 =09 Let me try to explain how it can and does happen. =20 Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN=20 targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target name is generated from the FC = WWNN. =20 When there are more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is = possible and normal for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the same FC target. This is = not by mistake, rather, it allows fail-over between such routers, where the initiator = uses the multiple portals for failover. =20 Given such a configuration, how does the initiator discover it? option 1: the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine = information from the whole router cluster for sendTargets response. option 2: the initiator is configured with multiple discovery addresses = - one per router. =20 If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine information = discovered in discrete sendTargets responses and produce portal groups. =20 My question relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear = from the iSCSI spec, if such failover=20 between portals (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets = responses is allowed. =20 Thanks, Dan =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:05 AM To: William Studenmund Cc: Dan Bar Dov; ips@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 =09 This is not supposed to happen (getting partial data in a session)=20 If it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration (between the = two discovery sessions).=20 =09 Julo=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 William Studenmund =20 29/09/06 05:31=20 To Dan Bar Dov =20 cc ips@ietf.org=20 Subject Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery=09 =09 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 =09 On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: =09 > Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single portal group from = > information > collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery sessions? =09 I don't think you need two or more SendTargets discovery sessions. =20 You are supposed to hear about all portals in one SendTargets =20 response, so it's supposed to all be there. =09 If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being =20 followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span said =20 cards anyway. :-) =09 Take care, =09 Bill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) =09 iD8DBQFFHIV8DJT2Egh26K0RAtMRAJ0aABo+mr7HRWRf5ClX44sB15uSAACglrL7 oBLBpnH9PMvBjyu4RS+9dcc=3D =3D3dI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- =09 _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips =09 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E6DB.BA88E726 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It is true that you cannot run two active = connections in=20 the
same session when going through two=20 routers.
However, is it not possible to have=20 a single active connection,
and fail-over to a new (or a=20 standby) connection ?
 
Dan

From: Sandars, Ken=20 [mailto:ken_sandars@adaptec.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, = 2006=20 1:00 PM
To: Dan Bar Dov; ips@ietf.org
Cc: William=20 Studenmund; John Hufferd; Julian Satran
Subject: RE: [Ips] = Portal=20 group discovery

Dan,
 
The RFC is very clear about this. In your = option 2=20 scenario, each router which provides a path to the target MUST = advertise an=20 unique Target Portal Group Tag (TPGT). The simplest reason is that you = have no=20 way to join connections on different routers into the same iSCSI=20 session.
 
The way you achieve this is=20 implementation-specific.
 
HTH,
Ken

From: Dan Bar Dov = [mailto:danb@voltaire.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:01
To:=20 ips@ietf.org
Cc: William Studenmund; John Hufferd; Julian=20 Satran
Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery

Let me try to explain how it can and does=20 happen.
 
Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or = router).=20 It provides FC SAN
targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI=20 target name is generated from the FC WWNN.
 
When there are more then one such routers in = the iSCSI=20 SAN, it is possible and normal
for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the = same FC=20 target. This is not by mistake,
rather, it allows fail-over between such = routers, where=20 the initiator uses the multiple portals
for failover.
 
Given such a configuration, how = does the=20 initiator discover it?
option 1: the routers have "cluster = awareness", one=20 router can combine information from the whole
router cluster for sendTargets=20 response.
option 2: the initiator is configured with = multiple=20 discovery addresses - one per router.
 
If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs = to combine=20 information discovered in discrete sendTargets
responses and produce portal = groups.
 
My question relates specifically to that = situation -=20 it is not clear from the iSCSI spec, if such failover =
between portals (with the same pgt) = discovered in=20 discrete sendTargets responses is allowed.
 
Thanks,
Dan
 
 

From: Julian Satran=20 [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, September = 29,=20 2006 8:05 AM
To: William Studenmund
Cc: Dan Bar = Dov;=20 ips@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery


This is not supposed = to happen=20 (getting partial data in a session)
If it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration = (between the=20 two discovery sessions).

Julo



William = Studenmund=20 <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>

29/09/06 05:31

To
Dan Bar Dov=20 <danb@voltaire.com>=20
cc
ips@ietf.org=20
Subject
Re: [Ips] Portal = group=20 discovery

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On = Sep 28,=20 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote:

> Is it allowed for = an=20 initiator to create a single portal group from  
>=20 information
> collected from two (or more) sendTargets = discovery=20 sessions?

I don't think you need two or more SendTargets = discovery=20 sessions.  
You are supposed to hear about all portals in = one=20 SendTargets  
response, so it's supposed to all be = there.

If=20 you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being=20  
followed. But then chances are you can't have a session = span said=20  
cards anyway. :-)

Take = care,

Bill
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E6DB.BA88E726-- --===============1429862879== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --===============1429862879==-- From ips-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 03 11:28:53 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUmCC-0001o5-Gb; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:28:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUmCB-0001nz-4Q for ips@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:28:35 -0400 Received: from mononoke.wasabisystems.com ([66.173.145.228]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUmC9-0007T7-RO for ips@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:28:35 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.10] (h-66-166-188-91.sndacagl.covad.net [66.166.188.91]) by mononoke.wasabisystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A200687145; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:28:25 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Message-Id: <920D97AF-5137-4D10-AAF0-8489C413C18E@wasabisystems.com> From: William Studenmund Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:28:19 -0700 To: "Dan Bar Dov" X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 Cc: ips@ietf.org, Julian Satran , John Hufferd , "Sandars, Ken" X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0747987814==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0747987814== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-2--954010631" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-2--954010631 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--954010692 --Apple-Mail-1--954010692 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Oct 3, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: > It is true that you cannot run two active connections in the > same session when going through two routers. > However, is it not possible to have a single active connection, > and fail-over to a new (or a standby) connection ? The problem is that putting both routers in the same Target Portal Group (TPG) means exactly that the initiator CAN have two active connections, in the same session, through the two portals. So why do you want them in the same portal group? Why not just give each router a different TPG and be done with it? Take care, Bill --Apple-Mail-1--954010692 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Oct 3, 2006, at = 4:04 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote:

It is true that you cannot = run two active connections in the
same session when going through two = routers.
However, is it not=A0possible to have a single active connection, =
and fail-over to a new (or a standby) connection = ?

The problem is that = putting both routers in the same Target Portal Group (TPG) means exactly = that the initiator CAN have two active connections, in the same session, = through the two portals.

So why do you want them in = the same portal group? Why not just give each router a different TPG and = be done with it?

Take care,

Bill
= --Apple-Mail-1--954010692-- --Apple-Mail-2--954010631 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFIoGYDJT2Egh26K0RAhp9AJ91qidNTMRIpOoocyVrI+Qce2FBBQCfUFHR Wy7c2WukeYfQc1/OXj4HUWY= =j3jE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-2--954010631-- --===============0747987814== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --===============0747987814==-- From ips-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 03 11:43:14 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUmQ2-0001uu-1p; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:42:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUmQ1-0001uE-78 for ips@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:42:53 -0400 Received: from taurus.voltaire.com ([193.47.165.240]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUmPx-0001A9-Pm for ips@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:42:53 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:42:30 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Ips] Portal group discovery Thread-Index: AcbnAJaZ1GjVuPW2QJKKaIOaMYDlLAAAawYg From: "Dan Bar Dov" To: "William Studenmund" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b1c41982e167b872076d0018e4e1dc3c Cc: ips@ietf.org, Julian Satran , John Hufferd , "Sandars, Ken" X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0048140527==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0048140527== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6E702.89AB05F4" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E702.89AB05F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 ________________________________ From: William Studenmund [mailto:wrstuden@wasabisystems.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:28 PM To: Dan Bar Dov Cc: Sandars, Ken; ips@ietf.org; John Hufferd; Julian Satran Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 =09 On Oct 3, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: It is true that you cannot run two active connections in the=20 same session when going through two routers. However, is it not possible to have a single active connection,=20 and fail-over to a new (or a standby) connection ? The problem is that putting both routers in the same Target Portal Group (TPG) means exactly that the initiator CAN have two active connections, in the same session, through the two portals. So why do you want them in the same portal group? Why not just give each router a different TPG and be done with it?=20 =20 If each target is in a different TPG, how do I achieve fail-over between the routers?=20 (other than maintaining some heart-beat between them, and moving the router IP address over). =20 Take care, Bill ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E702.89AB05F4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

From: William Studenmund=20 [mailto:wrstuden@wasabisystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October = 03, 2006=20 5:28 PM
To: Dan Bar Dov
Cc: Sandars, Ken; = ips@ietf.org;=20 John Hufferd; Julian Satran
Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery

On Oct 3, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote:
It is true that you cannot run two active = connections=20 in the
same session when going through two=20 routers.
However, is it not possible to=20 have a single active connection,
and fail-over to a new (or a=20 standby) connection ?

The problem is that putting both routers in the same Target = Portal Group=20 (TPG) means exactly that the initiator CAN have two active = connections, in the=20 same session, through the two portals.

So why do you want them in the same portal group? Why not just = give each=20 router a different TPG and be done with it? 
 
If=20 each target is in a different TPG, how do I achieve fail-over between=20 the routers?
(other than maintaining some heart-beat  between them, and moving the router IP = address=20 over).
 

Take care,

Bill
------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E702.89AB05F4-- --===============0048140527== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --===============0048140527==-- From ips-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 03 12:10:23 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUmqE-00043h-W9; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:09:59 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUmqE-000428-25 for ips@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:09:58 -0400 Received: from mail-gw3.adaptec.com ([216.52.22.36]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUmqC-0006hs-Cs for ips@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:09:58 -0400 Received: from aime2k04.adaptec.com (aime2k04.adaptec.com [10.25.8.45]) by mail-gw3.adaptec.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 54F5B1048AF; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aime2k302.adaptec.com ([10.25.8.48]) by aime2k04.adaptec.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:09:55 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:09:52 -0700 Message-ID: <368FBF3D8437A748BA8222526BF93099E5A4B3@aime2k302.adaptec.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Ips] Portal group discovery Thread-Index: AcbnAJaZ1GjVuPW2QJKKaIOaMYDlLAAAawYgAACA0mA= From: "Sandars, Ken" To: "Dan Bar Dov" , "William Studenmund" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2006 16:09:55.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D8FC100:01C6E706] X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at adaptec.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 025f8c5000216988bfe31585db759250 Cc: ips@ietf.org, John Hufferd , Julian Satran X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0928472861==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0928472861== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6E706.5D7378FA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E706.5D7378FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Example: =20 Router 1 SendTargets response: =20 TargetName=3Diqn.2006-09.com.muppet:thisismytargetpleasedonthurtme TargetAddress=3D192.168.11.2:3260,1 =20 Router 2 SendTargets response: =20 TargetName=3Diqn.2006-09.com.muppet:thisismytargetpleasedonthurtme TargetAddress=3D192.168.12.2:3260,2 =20 The initiator puts 2 and 2 together (ok, 1 and 2, but you see what I mean), and comes up with: =20 TargetName=3Diqn.2006-09.com.muppet:thisismytargetpleasedonthurtme TargetAddress=3D192.168.11.2:3260,1 TargetAddress=3D192.168.12.2:3260,2 =20 So it knows three things: (1) The name of the target (2) That it can be reached via two portals (3) Connections on those portals cannot be spanned into the one session =20 It can choose to login via either or both portals whenever it likes. There is no need for the routers to do any IP failover. =20 Does that help? Ken ________________________________ From: Dan Bar Dov [mailto:danb@voltaire.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2006 01:43 To: William Studenmund Cc: Sandars, Ken; ips@ietf.org; John Hufferd; Julian Satran Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery =20 ________________________________ From: William Studenmund [mailto:wrstuden@wasabisystems.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:28 PM To: Dan Bar Dov Cc: Sandars, Ken; ips@ietf.org; John Hufferd; Julian Satran Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 =09 On Oct 3, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: It is true that you cannot run two active connections in the=20 same session when going through two routers. However, is it not possible to have a single active connection,=20 and fail-over to a new (or a standby) connection ? The problem is that putting both routers in the same Target Portal Group (TPG) means exactly that the initiator CAN have two active connections, in the same session, through the two portals. So why do you want them in the same portal group? Why not just give each router a different TPG and be done with it?=20 =20 If each target is in a different TPG, how do I achieve fail-over between the routers?=20 (other than maintaining some heart-beat between them, and moving the router IP address over). =20 Take care, Bill ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E706.5D7378FA Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Example:
 
Router 1 SendTargets = response:
 
   =20 TargetName=3Diqn.2006-09.com.muppet:thisismytargetpleasedonthurtme=
   =20 TargetAddress=3D192.168.11.2:3260,1
 
Router 2 SendTargets = response:
 
   =20 TargetName=3Diqn.2006-09.com.muppet:thisismytargetpleasedonthurtme=
   =20 TargetAddress=3D192.168.12.2:3260,2
 
The initiator puts 2 and 2 together (ok, 1 and = 2, but you=20 see what I mean), and comes up with:
 
   =20 TargetName=3Diqn.2006-09.com.muppet:thisismytargetpleasedonthurtme=
   =20 TargetAddress=3D192.168.11.2:3260,1
   =20 TargetAddress=3D192.168.12.2:3260,2
 
So it=20 knows three things:
(1)=20 The name of the target
(2) That it can be reached via = two=20 portals
(3) Connections on those = portals cannot be=20 spanned into the one session
 
It can=20 choose to login via either or both portals whenever it likes. There = is no=20 need for the routers to do any IP failover.
 
Does=20 that help?
Ken

From: Dan Bar Dov = [mailto:danb@voltaire.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2006 01:43
To: William=20 Studenmund
Cc: Sandars, Ken; ips@ietf.org; John Hufferd; = Julian=20 Satran
Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group = discovery

 

From: William Studenmund=20 [mailto:wrstuden@wasabisystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October = 03, 2006=20 5:28 PM
To: Dan Bar Dov
Cc: Sandars, Ken; = ips@ietf.org;=20 John Hufferd; Julian Satran
Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery

On Oct 3, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote:
It is true that you cannot run two active = connections=20 in the
same session when going through two=20 routers.
However, is it not possible to=20 have a single active connection,
and fail-over to a new (or a=20 standby) connection ?

The problem is that putting both routers in the same Target = Portal Group=20 (TPG) means exactly that the initiator CAN have two active = connections, in the=20 same session, through the two portals.

So why do you want them in the same portal group? Why not just = give each=20 router a different TPG and be done with it? 
 
If=20 each target is in a different TPG, how do I achieve fail-over between=20 the routers?
(other than maintaining some heart-beat  between them, and moving the router IP = address=20 over).
 

Take care,

Bill
------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E706.5D7378FA-- --===============0928472861== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --===============0928472861==-- From ips-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 04 04:33:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GV2BI-0002X9-Gf; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 04:32:44 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GV2BG-0002TC-Pi for ips@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 04:32:42 -0400 Received: from taurus.voltaire.com ([193.47.165.240]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GV2BF-0001cr-RN for ips@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 04:32:42 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:32:16 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Ips] Portal group discovery Thread-Index: AcbnAJaZ1GjVuPW2QJKKaIOaMYDlLAAAawYgAACA0mAAIq4Y4A== From: "Dan Bar Dov" To: "Sandars, Ken" , "William Studenmund" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 58b614506802734014829a093beb6879 Cc: ips@ietf.org, John Hufferd , Julian Satran X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0795804604==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0795804604== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6E78F.99DACDCA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E78F.99DACDCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ken, first of all, thanks, it helps. =20 Let me se if I understand you correctly: portals of the same portal group (sharing same tag) can be used=20 for multiple connections in session. =20 Portals of different portal groups can be used for multiple sessions - = and=20 used by the initiator anyway it likes, e.g. in your example below, open = two=20 sessions, use one actively, and if it fails, use the other one. =20 It does make sense, thanks, Dan ________________________________ From: Sandars, Ken [mailto:ken_sandars@adaptec.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 6:10 PM To: Dan Bar Dov; William Studenmund Cc: ips@ietf.org; John Hufferd; Julian Satran Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 =09 Example: =20 Router 1 SendTargets response: =20 TargetName=3Diqn.2006-09.com.muppet:thisismytargetpleasedonthurtme TargetAddress=3D192.168.11.2:3260,1 =20 Router 2 SendTargets response: =20 =09 =09 TargetName=3Diqn.2006-09.com.muppet:thisismytargetpleasedonthurtme TargetAddress=3D192.168.12.2:3260,2 =20 The initiator puts 2 and 2 together (ok, 1 and 2, but you see what I = mean), and comes up with: =20 =09 TargetName=3Diqn.2006-09.com.muppet:thisismytargetpleasedonthurtme =09 TargetAddress=3D192.168.11.2:3260,1 TargetAddress=3D192.168.12.2:3260,2 =20 So it knows three things: (1) The name of the target (2) That it can be reached via two portals (3) Connections on those portals cannot be spanned into the one session =20 It can choose to login via either or both portals whenever it likes. = There is no need for the routers to do any IP failover. =20 Does that help? Ken =09 =09 ________________________________ From: Dan Bar Dov [mailto:danb@voltaire.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2006 01:43 To: William Studenmund Cc: Sandars, Ken; ips@ietf.org; John Hufferd; Julian Satran Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 =09 =20 ________________________________ From: William Studenmund [mailto:wrstuden@wasabisystems.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:28 PM To: Dan Bar Dov Cc: Sandars, Ken; ips@ietf.org; John Hufferd; Julian Satran Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 =09 On Oct 3, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: It is true that you cannot run two active connections in the=20 same session when going through two routers. However, is it not possible to have a single active connection,=20 and fail-over to a new (or a standby) connection ? The problem is that putting both routers in the same Target Portal = Group (TPG) means exactly that the initiator CAN have two active = connections, in the same session, through the two portals. So why do you want them in the same portal group? Why not just give = each router a different TPG and be done with it?=20 =20 If each target is in a different TPG, how do I achieve fail-over = between the routers?=20 (other than maintaining some heart-beat between them, and moving the = router IP address over). =20 Take care, Bill ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E78F.99DACDCA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ken, first of all, thanks, it = helps.
 
Let me se if I understand you=20 correctly:
portals of the same portal group (sharing same = tag) can be=20 used
for multiple connections in = session.
 
Portals of different portal groups can be used = for multiple=20 sessions - and
used by the initiator anyway it likes, e.g. in = your example=20 below, open two
sessions, use one actively, and if it fails, = use the other=20 one.
 
It does make sense,
thanks,
Dan

From: Sandars, Ken=20 [mailto:ken_sandars@adaptec.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, = 2006=20 6:10 PM
To: Dan Bar Dov; William Studenmund
Cc:=20 ips@ietf.org; John Hufferd; Julian Satran
Subject: RE: [Ips] = Portal=20 group discovery

Example:
 
Router 1 SendTargets = response:
 
   =20 = TargetName=3Diqn.2006-09.com.muppet:thisismytargetpleasedonthurtme=
   =20 TargetAddress=3D192.168.11.2:3260,1
 
Router 2 SendTargets = response:
 
   =20 = TargetName=3Diqn.2006-09.com.muppet:thisismytargetpleasedonthurtme=
   =20 TargetAddress=3D192.168.12.2:3260,2
 
The initiator puts 2 and 2 together (ok, 1 = and 2, but you=20 see what I mean), and comes up with:
 
   =20 = TargetName=3Diqn.2006-09.com.muppet:thisismytargetpleasedonthurtme=
   =20 TargetAddress=3D192.168.11.2:3260,1
   =20 = TargetAddress=3D192.168.12.2:3260,2
 
So=20 it knows three things:
(1)=20 The name of the target
(2) That it can be = reached via two=20 portals
(3) Connections on those = portals cannot=20 be spanned into the one session
 
It=20 can choose to login via either or both portals whenever it likes. = There=20 is no need for the routers to do any IP failover.
 
Does=20 that help?
Ken

From: Dan Bar Dov = [mailto:danb@voltaire.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2006 01:43
To: William = Studenmund
Cc: Sandars, Ken; ips@ietf.org; John Hufferd; = Julian=20 Satran
Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery

 

From: William Studenmund=20 [mailto:wrstuden@wasabisystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, = October 03,=20 2006 5:28 PM
To: Dan Bar Dov
Cc: Sandars, Ken;=20 ips@ietf.org; John Hufferd; Julian Satran
Subject: Re: = [Ips]=20 Portal group discovery

On Oct 3, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote:
It is true that you cannot run two active = connections=20 in the
same session when going through two=20 routers.
However, is it = not possible to=20 have a single active connection,
and fail-over to a new (or a=20 standby) connection ?

The problem is that putting both routers in the same Target = Portal=20 Group (TPG) means exactly that the initiator CAN have two active=20 connections, in the same session, through the two portals.

So why do you want them in the same portal group? Why not just = give=20 each router a different TPG and be done with it? 
 
If=20 each target is in a different TPG, how do I achieve fail-over = between=20 the routers?
(other than maintaining some heart-beat  between them, and moving the router IP = address=20 over).
 

Take care,

Bill
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If behind the routers there is only the "real" FC target I don't see how you can build a portal out of several routers. If the target function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all its front-ends are. Julo "Dan Bar Dov" 03/10/06 12:00 To cc "John Hufferd" , Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL, "William Studenmund" Subject RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery Let me try to explain how it can and does happen. Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target name is generated from the FC WWNN. When there are more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is possible and normal for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the same FC target. This is not by mistake, rather, it allows fail-over between such routers, where the initiator uses the multiple portals for failover. Given such a configuration, how does the initiator discover it? option 1: the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine information from the whole router cluster for sendTargets response. option 2: the initiator is configured with multiple discovery addresses - one per router. If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine information discovered in discrete sendTargets responses and produce portal groups. My question relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear from the iSCSI spec, if such failover between portals (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets responses is allowed. Thanks, Dan From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:05 AM To: William Studenmund Cc: Dan Bar Dov; ips@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery This is not supposed to happen (getting partial data in a session) If it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration (between the two discovery sessions). Julo William Studenmund 29/09/06 05:31 To Dan Bar Dov cc ips@ietf.org Subject Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: > Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single portal group from > information > collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery sessions? I don't think you need two or more SendTargets discovery sessions. You are supposed to hear about all portals in one SendTargets response, so it's supposed to all be there. If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span said cards anyway. :-) Take care, Bill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFHIV8DJT2Egh26K0RAtMRAJ0aABo+mr7HRWRf5ClX44sB15uSAACglrL7 oBLBpnH9PMvBjyu4RS+9dcc= =3dI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --=_alternative 00687BD5C22571FD_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Dan,

The portal groups have to share more than a target name - they'll have to have some common state (the CmdSN etc.).
If behind the routers there is only the "real" FC target I don't see how you can build a portal out of several routers. If the target function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all its front-ends are.

Julo


"Dan Bar Dov" <danb@voltaire.com>

03/10/06 12:00

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<ips@ietf.org>
cc
"John Hufferd" <jhufferd@Brocade.COM>, Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL, "William Studenmund" <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>
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RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery





Let me try to explain how it can and does happen.
 
Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN
targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target name is generated from the FC WWNN.
 
When there are more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is possible and normal
for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the same FC target. This is not by mistake,
rather, it allows fail-over between such routers, where the initiator uses the multiple portals
for failover.
 
Given such a configuration, how does the initiator discover it?
option 1: the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine information from the whole
router cluster for sendTargets response.
option 2: the initiator is configured with multiple discovery addresses - one per router.
 
If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine information discovered in discrete sendTargets
responses and produce portal groups.
 
My question relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear from the iSCSI spec, if such failover
between portals (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets responses is allowed.
 
Thanks,
Dan
 
 

From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:05 AM
To: William Studenmund
Cc: Dan Bar Dov; ips@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery

This is not supposed to happen (getting partial data in a session)
If it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration (between the two discovery sessions).

Julo


William Studenmund <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>

29/09/06 05:31


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Dan Bar Dov <danb@voltaire.com>
cc
ips@ietf.org
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Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery







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On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote:

> Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single portal group from  
> information
> collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery sessions?

I don't think you need two or more SendTargets discovery sessions.  
You are supposed to hear about all portals in one SendTargets  
response, so it's supposed to all be there.

If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being  
followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span said  
cards anyway. :-)

Take care,

Bill
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Definition The definition of the key is as follows, conforming to sections 11 and 12 of RFC 3720 [2], with example list-of-values conforming to section 5.1 of RFC 3720 [2]. The key is defined with a Use of "LO", making it a Leading Only key, and does not modify sections 11 or 12 of RFC 3720 [2]. Thus, the key MUST only be sent on the leading connection, MUST NOT be changed after the leading connection login, and MUST only be sent after the security negotiation login stage has completed (during operational negotiation login stage). The key may be sent during normal or discovery sessions. 2.1. X#NodeArchitecture Use: LO, Declarative Senders: Initiator and Target Scope: SW X#NodeArchitecture= Examples: X#NodeArchitecture=ExampleOS/v1234,ExampleInc_SW_Initiator/1.05a X#NodeArchitecture=ExampleInc_HW_Initiator/4010,Firmware/2.0.0.5 X#NodeArchitecture=ExampleInc_SW_Initiator/2.1,CPU_Arch/i686 The initiator or target declares the details of its iSCSI node architecture to the remote endpoint. These details may include, but are not limited to, iSCSI vendor software, firmware, or hardware versions, the OS version, or hardware architecture. The length of the key value (total length of the list-of-values) MUST NOT be greater than 255 bytes. X#NodeArchitecture MUST NOT be redeclared. Wysochanski Expires March 5, 2007 [Page 4] Internet-Draft iSCSI Node Architecture September 2006 3. Implementation Nodes implementing this key MAY choose to only transmit the key, only log the key values received from other nodes, or both transmit and log the key values. Each node choosing to implement transmission of the key values MUST be prepared to handle the response of RFC 3720 [2] compliant nodes that do not understand the key (RFC 3720 [2] states that compliant nodes MUST respond with X#NodeArchitecture=NotUnderstood). Nodes that implement transmission and/or logging of the key values may also implement administrative mechanisms that disable and/or change the logging and key transmission detail (see Security Considerations). Thus, a valid implementation of this key may be that a node is completely silent (the node does not transmit any key value, and simply discards any key values it receives without issuing a NotUnderstood response). Wysochanski Expires March 5, 2007 [Page 5] Internet-Draft iSCSI Node Architecture September 2006 4. Security Considerations This extension key transmits specific implementation details about the node that sends it; such details may be considered sensitive in some environments. For example, if a certain software or firmware version is known to contain security weaknesses, announcing the presence of that version via this key may not be desirable. The countermeasures for this security concern are: o sending less detailed information in the key values, or o not sending the extension key, or o using IPsec to provide confidentiality for the iSCSI connection on which the key is sent (see RFC 3720 [2] and RFC 3723 [4]). To support the first and second countermeasures, all implementations of this extension key MUST provide an administrative mechanism to disable sending the key. In addition, all implementations SHOULD provide an administrative mechanism to configure a verbosity level of the key value, thereby controlling the amount of information sent. For example, a lower verbosity might enable transmission of node architecture component names only, but no version numbers. The choice of which countermeasure is most appropriate depends on the environment. However, sending less detailed information in the key values may be an acceptable countermeasure in many environments, since it provides a compromise between sending too much information and the other more complete countermeasures of not sending the key at all or using IPsec. In addition to security considerations involving transmission of the key contents, any logging method(s) used for the key values MUST keep the information secure from intruders. For all implementations, the requirements to address this security concern are: o display of the log MUST only be possible with administrative rights to the node o options to disable logging to disk and to keep logs for a fixed duration SHOULD be provided Finally, it is important to note that different nodes may have different levels of risk, and these differences may affect the implementation. The components of risk include assets, threats, and vulnerabilities. Consider the following example iSCSI nodes, which demonstrate differences in assets and vulnerabilities of the nodes, and as a result, differences in implementation: Wysochanski Expires March 5, 2007 [Page 6] Internet-Draft iSCSI Node Architecture September 2006 o One iSCSI target based on a special-purpose operating system. Since the iSCSI target controls access to the data storage containing company assets, the asset level is seen as very high. Also, because of the special-purpose operating system, in which vulnerabilities are less well-known, the vulnerability level is viewed as low. o Multiple iSCSI initiators in a blade farm, each running a general- purpose operating system. The asset level of each node is viewed as low, since blades are replaceable and low cost. However, the vulnerability level is viewed as high, since there are many well- known vulnerabilities to the general-purpose operating system. For the above target, an appropriate implementation might be logging of received key values, but no transmission of the key. For the initiators, an appropriate implementation might be transmission of the key, but no logging of received key values. Wysochanski Expires March 5, 2007 [Page 7] Internet-Draft iSCSI Node Architecture September 2006 5. IANA Considerations This document defines the iSCSI Extension Key NodeArchitecture to be registered in the IANA iSCSI extended key registry. The IANA iSCSI Extended Key registry does not correspond to RFC 3720 that defined it. The registry should contain three fields for each extended key: o Key Name o Description o Reference IANA should modify the registry accordingly, and then register this key as follows: o Key Name: X#NodeArchitecture o Description: Node architecture details o Reference: [this RFC-to-be] -- RFC Editor: The paragraph starting from "The IANA iSCSI Extended Key" should be removed prior to RFC publication. Wysochanski Expires March 5, 2007 [Page 8] Internet-Draft iSCSI Node Architecture September 2006 6. References 6.1. Normative References [1] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, March 1997. [2] Satran, J., Meth, K., Sapuntzakis, C., Chadalapaka, M., and E. Zeidner, "Internet Small Computer Systems Interface (iSCSI)", RFC 3720, April 2004. 6.2. Informative References [3] Fielding, R., Gettys, J., Mogul, J., Frystyk, H., Masinter, L., Leach, P., and T. Berners-Lee, "Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1", RFC 2616, June 1999. [4] Aboba, B., Tseng, J., Walker, J., Rangan, V., and F. Travostino, "Securing Block Storage Protocols over IP", RFC 3723, April 2004. Wysochanski Expires March 5, 2007 [Page 9] Internet-Draft iSCSI Node Architecture September 2006 Appendix A. Acknowledgements The IP Storage (ips) Working Group in the Transport Area of IETF has been responsible for defining the iSCSI protocol (apart from a host of other relevant IP Storage protocols). The editor acknowledges the contributions of the entire working group. The following individuals directly contributed to identifying issues and/or suggesting resolutions to the issues found in this document: David Black, Mallikarjun Chadalapaka, Paul Koning, Julian Satran, John Hufferd, Claire Kraft, Ranga Sankar, Joseph Pittman, Greg Berg, John Forte, Jim Yuill, William Studenmund, and Ken Sandars. This document benefited from all these contributions. Finally, the author recognizes Network Appliance, Inc. for sponsorship and support during the development of this work. Wysochanski Expires March 5, 2007 [Page 10] Internet-Draft iSCSI Node Architecture September 2006 Author's Address Dave Wysochanski 8311 Brier Creek Parkway Suite 105-296 Raleigh, NC 27617 US Phone: +1 919 696 8130 Email: wysochanski@pobox.com Wysochanski Expires March 5, 2007 [Page 11] Internet-Draft iSCSI Node Architecture September 2006 Full Copyright Statement Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2006). This document is subject to the rights, licenses and restrictions contained in BCP 78, and except as set forth therein, the authors retain all their rights. 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Wysochanski Expires March 5, 2007 [Page 12] --0-2057451869-1160245758=:46538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --0-2057451869-1160245758=:46538-- From ips-bounces@ietf.org Sun Oct 08 13:29:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWcSp-0003q0-MN; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:29:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWcSo-0003pu-VY for ips@ietf.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:29:22 -0400 Received: from taurus.voltaire.com ([193.47.165.240]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWcSm-00015m-VP for ips@ietf.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:29:22 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:28:58 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Ips] Portal group discovery Thread-Index: Acbn54SMN5mAtNhsTBmkbmzKnJpzQQDFqAjA From: "Dan Bar Dov" To: "Julian Satran" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d094b18a574860cb9e2fe5fedfbcc179 Cc: ips@ietf.org, William Studenmund , John Hufferd X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1730506682==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1730506682== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6EAFF.3E6B90F4" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6EAFF.3E6B90F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess my confusion with portal group is fully understanding the way it = is=20 supposed to be used. =20 When a portal group is used for multiple connections in session,=20 the cmnSN must be monotonic and shared among all the ports-=20 so this indeed is a shared state, and it cannot work with multiple = routers. =20 However, if all I want to achieve is multipath fail-over, I can have = multiple sessions, or MCS - but with only one session active. In both cases, the initiator = can use an alternative session or connection, and the cmdSN will advance just fine. =20 >From all the answers, I understand now that portals are indeed for MCS, = and failover using multiple devices such as routers, needs to use multiple sessions = (active+standby),=20 and that distinct devices, even providing the same service - access to = same "real target",=20 should not, and must not be part of the same portal group. =20 Dan ________________________________ From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:04 PM To: Dan Bar Dov Cc: ips@ietf.org; John Hufferd; William Studenmund Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 =09 Dan,=20 =09 The portal groups have to share more than a target name - they'll have = to have some common state (the CmdSN etc.).=20 If behind the routers there is only the "real" FC target I don't see = how you can build a portal out of several routers. If the target = function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all its = front-ends are.=20 =09 Julo=20 =09 =09 =09 "Dan Bar Dov" =20 03/10/06 12:00=20 To =20 cc "John Hufferd" , Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL, = "William Studenmund" =20 Subject RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 Let me try to explain how it can and does happen.=20 =20 Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN=20 targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target name is generated from the FC = WWNN.=20 =20 When there are more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is = possible and normal=20 for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the same FC target. This is = not by mistake,=20 rather, it allows fail-over between such routers, where the initiator = uses the multiple portals=20 for failover.=20 =20 Given such a configuration, how does the initiator discover it?=20 option 1: the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine = information from the whole=20 router cluster for sendTargets response.=20 option 2: the initiator is configured with multiple discovery addresses = - one per router.=20 =20 If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine information = discovered in discrete sendTargets=20 responses and produce portal groups.=20 =20 My question relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear = from the iSCSI spec, if such failover=20 between portals (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets = responses is allowed.=20 =20 Thanks,=20 Dan=20 =20 =20 =09 =09 ________________________________ From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:05 AM To: William Studenmund Cc: Dan Bar Dov; ips@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 =09 This is not supposed to happen (getting partial data in a session)=20 If it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration (between the = two discovery sessions).=20 =09 Julo=20 =09 =09 =09 William Studenmund =20 29/09/06 05:31=20 To Dan Bar Dov =20 cc ips@ietf.org=20 Subject Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery =09 =09 =09 =09 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 =09 On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: =09 > Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single portal group from =20 > information > collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery sessions? =09 I don't think you need two or more SendTargets discovery sessions. =20 You are supposed to hear about all portals in one SendTargets =20 response, so it's supposed to all be there. =09 If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being =20 followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span said =20 cards anyway. :-) =09 Take care, =09 Bill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) =09 iD8DBQFFHIV8DJT2Egh26K0RAtMRAJ0aABo+mr7HRWRf5ClX44sB15uSAACglrL7 oBLBpnH9PMvBjyu4RS+9dcc=3D =3D3dI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- =09 _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips =09 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6EAFF.3E6B90F4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I guess my confusion with portal group is fully = understanding the way it is
supposed to be used.
 
When a portal group is used for multiple = connections in=20 session,
the cmnSN must be monotonic and shared among = all the ports-=20
so this indeed is a shared state, and it cannot = work with=20 multiple routers.
 
However, if all I want to achieve is multipath = fail-over, I=20 can have multiple sessions,
or MCS - but with only one session active. In = both cases,=20 the initiator can use an
alternative session or connection, and the = cmdSN will=20 advance just fine.
 
From all the answers, I understand now that=20 portals are indeed for MCS, and failover
using multiple devices such as routers, = needs to use=20 multiple sessions (active+standby),
and that distinct devices, even = providing the=20 same service - access to same "real target",
should not, and must not be part of the=20 same portal group.
 
Dan

From: Julian Satran=20 [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October = 04, 2006=20 9:04 PM
To: Dan Bar Dov
Cc: ips@ietf.org; John = Hufferd;=20 William Studenmund
Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery


Dan, =

The portal groups have to share more than a = target name=20 - they'll have to have some common state (the CmdSN etc.). =
If behind the routers there is only the = "real" FC=20 target I don't see how you can build a portal out of several routers. = If the=20 target function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all = its=20 front-ends are.

Julo=20


"Dan Bar = Dov"=20 <danb@voltaire.com>

03/10/06 12:00

To
<ips@ietf.org>=20
cc
"John Hufferd"=20 <jhufferd@Brocade.COM>, Julian = Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL,=20 "William Studenmund" = <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>=20
Subject
RE: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery

=




Let me try to explain how it can and does = happen.=20
 
Our=20 iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN=20
targets to iSCSI = SAN. The iSCSI=20 target name is generated from the FC WWNN.
 
When there are=20 more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is possible and = normal=20
for two (or more) iSCSI = routers to=20 expose the same FC target. This is not by mistake,
rather, it allows fail-over between such = routers, where the=20 initiator uses the multiple portals
for failover.
  =
Given such a configuration, how = does the=20 initiator discover it?
option 1:=20 the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine = information from=20 the whole
router = cluster for=20 sendTargets response.
option 2:=20 the initiator is configured with multiple discovery addresses - one = per=20 router.
 
If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine = information=20 discovered in discrete sendTargets
responses and produce portal groups.
 
My = question=20 relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear from the = iSCSI spec,=20 if such failover
between portals=20 (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets responses is=20 allowed.
 
Thanks,
Dan=20
 
  =

From: Julian Satran=20 [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, September = 29, 2006=20 8:05 AM
To: William Studenmund
Cc: Dan Bar Dov;=20 ips@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group = discovery


This is = not supposed to=20 happen (getting partial data in a session) =
If it happens it can be the result of a = reconfiguration (between the two discovery sessions).=20

Julo=20


William = Studenmund=20 <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>

29/09/06 05:31=20


To
Dan Bar = Dov=20 <danb@voltaire.com>
cc
ips@ietf.org=20
Subject
Re: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery







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On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar = Dov=20 wrote:

> Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single = portal=20 group from  
> information
> collected from two (or = more)=20 sendTargets discovery sessions?

I don't think you need two or = more=20 SendTargets discovery sessions.  
You are supposed to hear = about all=20 portals in one SendTargets  
response, so it's supposed to all = be=20 there.

If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see = that not=20 being  
followed. But then chances are you can't have a = session span=20 said  
cards anyway. :-)

Take = care,

Bill
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6EAFF.3E6B90F4-- --===============1730506682== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --===============1730506682==-- From ips-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 09 03:10:52 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWpHE-0005Mt-40; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 03:10:16 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWpHC-0005Mo-EF for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 03:10:14 -0400 Received: from mtagate4.de.ibm.com ([195.212.29.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWpHB-0002w5-Br for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 03:10:14 -0400 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate4.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k997ACCn148748 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:10:12 GMT Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k997CT8o3231978 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:12:29 +0200 Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k997ABqO018072 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:10:11 +0200 Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.166.138]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k997ABPB018068; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:10:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: To: "Dan Bar Dov" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.1 January 17, 2006 From: Julian Satran Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:12:27 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.5.5HF607 | June 26, 2006) at 09/10/2006 09:12:28, Serialize complete at 09/10/2006 09:12:28 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4d9aaf4f837d0910b987cb9188300fdd Cc: ips@ietf.org, William Studenmund , John Hufferd X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1702500795==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1702500795== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 002507F6C2257202_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 002507F6C2257202_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dan, The question of failover was central to the design. However we had to consider waht is reasonable to achieve with the wire protocol and what not.. Obviously what you want can be achieve within the protocol within a single session. It requires however that the initiator and taget cooperate somewhow - e.g., do not send commands on other that the active path and your routers interpret the first command on a failover path as a "switching" command and take all the state from the new commands. That is definitely acceptable and can be achieved with many means (private keys, a hint in the new 'architecture key' etc.. If it is simple enough and interesting to the community you may want to follow the "architecture" key path and publish it. Regards, Julo "Dan Bar Dov" 08/10/06 19:28 To Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL cc , "John Hufferd" , "William Studenmund" Subject RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery I guess my confusion with portal group is fully understanding the way it is supposed to be used. When a portal group is used for multiple connections in session, the cmnSN must be monotonic and shared among all the ports- so this indeed is a shared state, and it cannot work with multiple routers. However, if all I want to achieve is multipath fail-over, I can have multiple sessions, or MCS - but with only one session active. In both cases, the initiator can use an alternative session or connection, and the cmdSN will advance just fine. >From all the answers, I understand now that portals are indeed for MCS, and failover using multiple devices such as routers, needs to use multiple sessions (active+standby), and that distinct devices, even providing the same service - access to same "real target", should not, and must not be part of the same portal group. Dan From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:04 PM To: Dan Bar Dov Cc: ips@ietf.org; John Hufferd; William Studenmund Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery Dan, The portal groups have to share more than a target name - they'll have to have some common state (the CmdSN etc.). If behind the routers there is only the "real" FC target I don't see how you can build a portal out of several routers. If the target function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all its front-ends are. Julo "Dan Bar Dov" 03/10/06 12:00 To cc "John Hufferd" , Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL, "William Studenmund" Subject RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery Let me try to explain how it can and does happen. Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target name is generated from the FC WWNN. When there are more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is possible and normal for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the same FC target. This is not by mistake, rather, it allows fail-over between such routers, where the initiator uses the multiple portals for failover. Given such a configuration, how does the initiator discover it? option 1: the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine information from the whole router cluster for sendTargets response. option 2: the initiator is configured with multiple discovery addresses - one per router. If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine information discovered in discrete sendTargets responses and produce portal groups. My question relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear from the iSCSI spec, if such failover between portals (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets responses is allowed. Thanks, Dan From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:05 AM To: William Studenmund Cc: Dan Bar Dov; ips@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery This is not supposed to happen (getting partial data in a session) If it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration (between the two discovery sessions). Julo William Studenmund 29/09/06 05:31 To Dan Bar Dov cc ips@ietf.org Subject Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: > Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single portal group from > information > collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery sessions? I don't think you need two or more SendTargets discovery sessions. You are supposed to hear about all portals in one SendTargets response, so it's supposed to all be there. If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span said cards anyway. :-) Take care, Bill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFHIV8DJT2Egh26K0RAtMRAJ0aABo+mr7HRWRf5ClX44sB15uSAACglrL7 oBLBpnH9PMvBjyu4RS+9dcc= =3dI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --=_alternative 002507F6C2257202_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Dan,

The question of failover was central to the design. However we had to consider waht is reasonable to achieve with the wire protocol and what not..
Obviously what you want can be achieve within the protocol within a single session. It requires however that the initiator and taget cooperate somewhow - e.g., do not send commands on other that the active path and your routers interpret the first command on a failover path as a "switching" command and take all the state from the new commands. That is definitely acceptable and can be achieved with many means (private keys, a hint in the new 'architecture key' etc..
If it is simple enough and interesting to the community you may want to follow the "architecture" key path and publish it.

Regards,
Julo



"Dan Bar Dov" <danb@voltaire.com>

08/10/06 19:28

To
Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL
cc
<ips@ietf.org>, "John Hufferd" <jhufferd@Brocade.COM>, "William Studenmund" <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>
Subject
RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery





I guess my confusion with portal group is fully understanding the way it is
supposed to be used.
 
When a portal group is used for multiple connections in session,
the cmnSN must be monotonic and shared among all the ports-
so this indeed is a shared state, and it cannot work with multiple routers.
 
However, if all I want to achieve is multipath fail-over, I can have multiple sessions,
or MCS - but with only one session active. In both cases, the initiator can use an
alternative session or connection, and the cmdSN will advance just fine.
 
From all the answers, I understand now that portals are indeed for MCS, and failover
using multiple devices such as routers, needs to use multiple sessions (active+standby),
and that distinct devices, even providing the same service - access to same "real target",
should not, and must not be part of the same portal group.
 
Dan

From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:04 PM
To: Dan Bar Dov
Cc: ips@ietf.org; John Hufferd; William Studenmund
Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery

Dan,

The portal groups have to share more than a target name - they'll have to have some common state (the CmdSN etc.).
If behind the routers there is only the "real" FC target I don't see how you can build a portal out of several routers. If the target function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all its front-ends are.

Julo

"Dan Bar Dov" <danb@voltaire.com>

03/10/06 12:00


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"John Hufferd" <jhufferd@Brocade.COM>, Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL, "William Studenmund" <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>
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RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery







Let me try to explain how it can and does happen.
 
Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN
targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target name is generated from the FC WWNN.
 
When there are more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is possible and normal
for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the same FC target. This is not by mistake,
rather, it allows fail-over between such routers, where the initiator uses the multiple portals
for failover.
 
Given such a configuration, how does the initiator discover it?
option 1: the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine information from the whole
router cluster for sendTargets response.
option 2: the initiator is configured with multiple discovery addresses - one per router.
 
If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine information discovered in discrete sendTargets
responses and produce portal groups.
 
My question relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear from the iSCSI spec, if such failover
between portals (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets responses is allowed.
 
Thanks,
Dan
 
 
From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:05 AM
To: William Studenmund
Cc: Dan Bar Dov; ips@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery


This is not supposed to happen (getting partial data in a session)
If it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration (between the two discovery sessions).

Julo

William Studenmund <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>

29/09/06 05:31


To
Dan Bar Dov <danb@voltaire.com>
cc
ips@ietf.org
Subject
Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery






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On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote:

> Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single portal group from  
> information
> collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery sessions?

I don't think you need two or more SendTargets discovery sessions.  
You are supposed to hear about all portals in one SendTargets  
response, so it's supposed to all be there.

If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being  
followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span said  
cards anyway. :-)

Take care,

Bill
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I have a few questions related to iSCSI = logins based on the following scenarios:

1) An initiator has begun a login and = is now sending multiple Login Request PDU's where the data segment = length is zero, T=3D0, and C=3D0.

2) An initiator has begun a login and = is now sending multiple Login Request PDU's where the data segment = length is non-zero, T=3D0, and C=3D0.  For example, the initiator = may be sending unique private extension keys in the data segment of each = login request PDU.

3) An initiator has begun a login and = is now sending multiple Login Request PDU's with a non-zero data segment = length, T=3D0, and C=3D1.

Questions:

Is a target allowed to fail a login = after some "not making progress" limit is reached in any or = all of these scenarios?
If so, what are some practical = "not making progress" limits and what is the proper login = response?
How should a target handle scenario #3 = if it has no more resources to handle the ever-growing data = segment?

Thanks,
Paul

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For example, the initiator may be sending unique private > extension keys in the data segment of each login request PDU. > > 3) An initiator has begun a login and is now sending multiple Login > Request PDU's with a non-zero data segment length, T=0, and C=1. > > Questions: > > Is a target allowed to fail a login after some "not making > progress" limit is reached in any or all of these scenarios? > If so, what are some practical "not making progress" limits and > what is the proper login response? > How should a target handle scenario #3 if it has no more resources > to handle the ever-growing data segment? Ok, out of order. #3 is easy. The combined packet (result when all the 'C' parts are put together) can't get too big. For large security algorithms, the spec notes the receiver should be able to receive 64k. So just take that as a hard max. If more than that comes in, flag it as an initiator error and close the connection. Strictly speaking, if you just do CHAP, you don't need to worry about more than 8K or so. For the others, the spec is vague. You can come up with your own rules about when a login should fail. I'd suggest just putting a cap, say 10 or 16 packets, on login nego. If login isn't done after that, just kill it off and log the fact you did it. Take care, Bill --Apple-Mail-1--248937243 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Oct 9, 2006, at = 8:48 AM, Paul Hughes wrote:

I have a few questions related to iSCSI logins = based on the following scenarios:

1) An initiator has begun a login and is now sending = multiple Login Request PDU's where the data segment length is zero, T=3D0,= and C=3D0.

2) An initiator = has begun a login and is now sending multiple Login Request PDU's where = the data segment length is non-zero, T=3D0, and C=3D0.=A0 For example, = the initiator may be sending unique private extension keys in the data = segment of each login request PDU.

3) An initiator has begun a login and is now sending = multiple Login Request PDU's with a non-zero data segment length, T=3D0, = and C=3D1.

Questions: =

Is a target allowed to fail a = login after some "not making progress" limit is reached in any or all of = these scenarios?
If so, what = are some practical "not making progress" limits and what is the proper = login response?
How should a = target handle scenario #3 if it has no more resources to handle the = ever-growing data segment?

Ok, out of order. #3 = is easy. The combined packet (result when all the 'C' parts are put = together) can't get too big. For large security algorithms, the spec = notes the receiver should be able to receive 64k. So just take that as a = hard max. If more than that comes in, flag it as an initiator error and = close the connection. Strictly speaking, if you just do CHAP, you don't = need to worry about more than 8K or so.

For the others, the spec is = vague. You can come up with your own rules about when a login should = fail.

I'd = suggest just putting a cap, say 10 or 16 packets, on login nego. If = login isn't done after that, just kill it off and log the fact you did = it.

Take = care,

Bill
= --Apple-Mail-1--248937243-- --Apple-Mail-2--248937200 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFLUPKDJT2Egh26K0RAubdAJ9g6majeC4/ByvddyKwHuNfgYgK5gCeKQzT rR9ewi6bWZ4xjAz5Pp+Nh8c= =bbl2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-2--248937200-- --===============2021789908== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --===============2021789908==-- From ips-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 12 11:31:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY2WG-0002iK-Dz; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:30:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY2WF-0002iA-Py for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:30:47 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY2WE-0004XD-79 for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:30:47 -0400 Received: from lars.local (u041251.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [203.212.41.251]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1535E1BACA5; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:30:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lars.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8973824BC27; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:29:45 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: ips@ietf.org Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:53:11 +0900 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cdb443e3957ca9b4c5b55e78cfcf4b26 Cc: ips-ads@tools.ietf.org, ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2117326688==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --===============2117326688== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--203717914; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-3--203717914 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, please find the AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da-03.txt below. In a nutshell: No major issues but a number of comments and nits that might best be handled by a new revision before IESG review. Lars ------ Has idnits (unused references, tabs, non-ASCII characters, etc.) and boilerplate issues (some due to boilerplate changes during the too-long AD review - mea culpa). Document talks about the "Datmover protocol" as a wire protocol in some places and in others it says the opposite (that it isn't a wire protocol) - this is confusing. Section 2.1, paragraph 1: > There are new industry and standards initiatives to develop > Remote Direct Memory Access (RDMA) and Remote Direct Data > Placement (RDDP) technologies to work over IP fabrics. The > principal value proposition of these technologies is that > they enable one end node to place data in the final intended > buffer on the remote end node, thus eliminating the data copy > that traditionally happens in the receive path to move the > data to the final buffer. The data copy avoidance in turn > eliminates unnecessary memory bandwidth consumption, substan- > tially decreases the reassembly buffer size requirements, and > preserves CPU cycles that would otherwise be spent in > copying. Paragraph probably needs to be updated to reflect recent history (RDMA done, not proposed anymore). Section 2.2, paragraph 2: > a) Provide guidance to Datamover protocol designers > with respect to the functional boundary between > iSCSI and the Datamover protocols. This guidance is > critical since a significant part of the [RFC3720] > protocol definition is left unchanged by this > Architecture and the iSCSI notions from [RFC3720] > (e.g., tasks, ITTFrom ips-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 12 11:31:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY2WG-0002iK-Dz; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:30:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY2WF-0002iA-Py for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:30:47 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY2WE-0004XD-79 for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:30:47 -0400 Received: from lars.local (u041251.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [203.212.41.251]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1535E1BACA5; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:30:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lars.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8973824BC27; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:29:45 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: ips@ietf.org Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:53:11 +0900 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cdb443e3957ca9b4c5b55e78cfcf4b26 Cc: ips-ads@tools.ietf.org, ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2117326688==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --===============2117326688== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--203717914; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-3--203717914 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, please find the AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da-03.txt below. In a nutshell: No major issues but a number of comments and nits that might best be handled by a new revision before IESG review. Lars ------ Has idnits (unused references, tabs, non-ASCII characters, etc.) and boilerplate issues (some due to boilerplate changes during the too-long AD review - mea culpa). Document talks about the "Datmover protocol" as a wire protocol in some places and in others it says the opposite (that it isn't a wire protocol) - this is confusing. Section 2.1, paragraph 1: > There are new industry and standards initiatives to develop > Remote Direct Memory Access (RDMA) and Remote Direct Data > Placement (RDDP) technologies to work over IP fabrics. The > principal value proposition of these technologies is that > they enable one end node to place data in the final intended > buffer on the remote end node, thus eliminating the data copy > that traditionally happens in the receive path to move the > data to the final buffer. The data copy avoidance in turn > eliminates unnecessary memory bandwidth consumption, substan- > tially decreases the reassembly buffer size requirements, and > preserves CPU cycles that would otherwise be spent in > copying. Paragraph probably needs to be updated to reflect recent history (RDMA done, not proposed anymore). Section 2.2, paragraph 2: > a) Provide guidance to Datamover protocol designers > with respect to the functional boundary between > iSCSI and the Datamover protocols. This guidance is > critical since a significant part of the [RFC3720] > protocol definition is left unchanged by this > Architecture and the iSCSI notions from [RFC3720] > (e.g., tasks, ITTs) are leveraged by the Datamover > protocol. Nit: would not capitalize "architecture" here (and later) Section 3, paragraph 1: > Figure 1 illustrates an example of the architectural layering > of iSCSI and Datamover layers, in conjunction with a TCP/IP > implementation of RDMAP/DDP layers in an iSCSI end node. > Note that RDMAP/DDP/MPA, and TCP protocol layers are shown > here only as an example and in reality, DA is completely > oblivious to protocol layers below the Datamover layer. Might want to point out that RDMA over SCTP also exists (and cite corresponding ID). Section 5.4, paragraph 3: > shared memory etc.) is really upto the implementations. Nit: s/upto/up to/ Section 5.5, paragraph 1: > The term "Transport Connection" is used in this document as a > generic term to represent the end-to-end logical connection > as defined by the underlying reliable transport protocol. > For this revision of this document, a Transport Connection > means only a TCP connection. What about RDMA over SCTP? Or, rather, isn't the Transport Connection an RDMAP connection and hence independent of TCP or SCTP anyway? Section 9.2, paragraph 4: > A target iSCSI layer being notified of the arrival of TCP > RESET is an example of when the Connection_Terminate_Notify > Operational Primitive is invoked. RDMAP RESET? TCP events should be hidden. Section 12, paragraph 1: > If a well-known port is chosen as the mechanism to identify a > Datamover protocol on TCP, the well-known port must be > registered with IANA. Because the use of the well-known port > is specific to the Datamover protocol in such a case, the > resulting IANA considerations from such use must be specified > by the specific Datamover protocol. DA itself does not have > any specific IANA considerations. Datamover protocol sits on top of RDMAP and would need to be registered in an IANA registry there, rather that with a TCP port number. Section 15, paragraph 2: > In addition, the following individuals had reviewed and > contributed to the improvement of this document. The authors > are grateful for their contribution. Some of these are also listed as authors. Section 16.1, paragraph 1: > This section discusses the specific considerations for RDMA- > based and RDDP-based Datamover protocols. Shouldn't this section move to the iSER draft? -- Lars Eggert NEC Network Laboratories --Apple-Mail-3--203717914 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIKZDCCAwEw ggJqoAMCAQICEBCR/semQl5bz/x3jtiU02YwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA2MDgxNjA5MTU0NloXDTA3MDgxNjA5MTU0 NlowYDEPMA0GA1UEBBMGRWdnZXJ0MQ0wCwYDVQQqEwRMYXJzMRQwEgYDVQQDEwtMYXJzIEVnZ2Vy dDEoMCYGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYZbGFycy5lZ2dlcnRAbmV0bGFiLm5lYy5kZTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAL/+LXyqufw8ApYnCU24cnZ/H9S7ro4zZYeCqcyFqhwJpTcM8/yX 6Ms+16d2EtIceQS8Bas3GAUR+xfq0QI5dt8uIKM1Uy4trk8AAO0dh23+QTLw7toloArVngGIhUhC OTpVRR1bYfJTwPVpSAY43mbGhSGhwiu5035yKdYJezNWOXmuIO+lvXcD36hc5cU6AzRJkj0LYaFd WHjbfwzGmT7MO60p/7hT+aTv5xvTl/mcwslvm+KhKmJjoMYfSOF99xvuJE/rB7Ho3g6wDoeB2Tip 44Qq8CPmOHtCXzh/tF/bYo+OHStkPTzgPfOuNDMxa0/gAPEyELNL0Eh1/hC2TeMCAwEAAaM2MDQw JAYDVR0RBB0wG4EZbGFycy5lZ2dlcnRAbmV0bGFiLm5lYy5kZTAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqG SIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAHdaTI5TM5wV+LG2WW+CMEmxEyNhaRu3oca9T31HjbfHzvhVJe2fzKt1xBSo +hhCg0qKVFuE7yKxDH975Csq9jVvJJj3oL29RQjPnc3CgQqlMFJKHdJgterPQ+ZiCp05S9rbMhRl 1zxB/x+GvnDFHsXu19gA2dlynrdWN/G1BVWJMIIDPzCCAqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUF ADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcms) are leveraged by the Datamover > protocol. Nit: would not capitalize "architecture" here (and later) Section 3, paragraph 1: > Figure 1 illustrates an example of the architectural layering > of iSCSI and Datamover layers, in conjunction with a TCP/IP > implementation of RDMAP/DDP layers in an iSCSI end node. > Note that RDMAP/DDP/MPA, and TCP protocol layers are shown > here only as an example and in reality, DA is completely > oblivious to protocol layers below the Datamover layer. Might want to point out that RDMA over SCTP also exists (and cite corresponding ID). Section 5.4, paragraph 3: > shared memory etc.) is really upto the implementations. Nit: s/upto/up to/ Section 5.5, paragraph 1: > The term "Transport Connection" is used in this document as a > generic term to represent the end-to-end logical connection > as defined by the underlying reliable transport protocol. > For this revision of this document, a Transport Connection > means only a TCP connection. What about RDMA over SCTP? Or, rather, isn't the Transport Connection an RDMAP connection and hence independent of TCP or SCTP anyway? Section 9.2, paragraph 4: > A target iSCSI layer being notified of the arrival of TCP > RESET is an example of when the Connection_Terminate_Notify > Operational Primitive is invoked. RDMAP RESET? TCP events should be hidden. Section 12, paragraph 1: > If a well-known port is chosen as the mechanism to identify a > Datamover protocol on TCP, the well-known port must be > registered with IANA. Because the use of the well-known port > is specific to the Datamover protocol in such a case, the > resulting IANA considerations from such use must be specified > by the specific Datamover protocol. DA itself does not have > any specific IANA considerations. Datamover protocol sits on top of RDMAP and would need to be registered in an IANA registry there, rather that with a TCP port number. Section 15, paragraph 2: > In addition, the following individuals had reviewed and > contributed to the improvement of this document. The authors > are grateful for their contribution. Some of these are also listed as authors. Section 16.1, paragraph 1: > This section discusses the specific considerations for RDMA- > based and RDDP-based Datamover protocols. 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(helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY2WJ-0002k4-Dc for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:30:51 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY2WH-0004XQ-TN for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:30:51 -0400 Received: from lars.local (u041251.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [203.212.41.251]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C4C1BAC4D; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:30:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lars.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id C380C24BC29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:29:45 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: ips@ietf.org Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:52:55 +0900 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c54bc2f42d02429833c0ca4b8725abd7 Cc: ips-ads@tools.ietf.org, ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iser X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0879880073==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --===============0879880073== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--200133984; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-4--200133984 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, please find the AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iser-05.txt below. In a nutshell: No major issues but a number of comments and nits. Depending on the amount of changes needed, an RFC Editor Note may be sufficient, or a new revision may be needed. Lars ------ Has idnits (unused references, etc.) and boilerplate issues (some due to boilerplate changes during the too-long AD review - mea culpa). INTRODUCTION, paragraph 12: > Ko et. al. Expires April 2006 1 Nit: s/et./et/ everywhere Section 7.3.12, paragraph 3: > qualified with DataDescriptorReject which defines the Rejct buffer. Nit: s/Rejct/Reject/ Section 8.1.1.3, paragraph 3: > CmdSN of the PDU sent by the intiator in this category is x, the PDU Nit: s/intiator/initiator/ Section 8.1.2, paragraph 7: > (Implementatin note: SCSI task timeout and recovery can be a Nit: s/Implementatin/Implementation/ Section 9.1, paragraph 4: > The Opcode field identifies the type of iSER Messages: Are there IANA actions required for these type codes? IANA section is empty. Section 13.2, paragraph 2: > [DA] M. Chadalapaka et al., "Datamover Architecture for iSCSI", IETF > Internet-draft, draft-ietf-ips-da-02.txt (work in progress), Not normative? > [RDDPSEC] J. Pinkerton et al., "DDP/RDMAP Security", IETF Internet > Draft draft-ietf-rddp-security-07.txt (work in progress), April > 2005 Not normative? -- Lars Eggert NEC Network Laboratories --Apple-Mail-4--200133984 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIKZDCCAwEw ggJqoAMCAQICEBCR/semQl5bz/x3jtiU02YwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd From ips-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 12 11:31:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY2WK-0002mV-RZ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:30:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY2WJ-0002k4-Dc for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:30:51 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY2WH-0004XQ-TN for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:30:51 -0400 Received: from lars.local (u041251.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [203.212.41.251]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C4C1BAC4D; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:30:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lars.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id C380C24BC29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:29:45 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: ips@ietf.org Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:52:55 +0900 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c54bc2f42d02429833c0ca4b8725abd7 Cc: ips-ads@tools.ietf.org, ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iser X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0879880073==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --===============0879880073== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--200133984; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-4--200133984 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, please find the AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iser-05.txt below. In a nutshell: No major issues but a number of comments and nits. Depending on the amount of changes needed, an RFC Editor Note may be sufficient, or a new revision may be needed. Lars ------ Has idnits (unused references, etc.) and boilerplate issues (some due to boilerplate changes during the too-long AD review - mea culpa). INTRODUCTION, paragraph 12: > Ko et. al. Expires April 2006 1 Nit: s/et./et/ everywhere Section 7.3.12, paragraph 3: > qualified with DataDescriptorReject which defines the Rejct buffer. Nit: s/Rejct/Reject/ Section 8.1.1.3, paragraph 3: > CmdSN of the PDU sent by the intiator in this category is x, the PDU Nit: s/intiator/initiator/ Section 8.1.2, paragraph 7: > (Implementatin note: SCSI task timeout and recovery can be a Nit: s/Implementatin/Implementation/ Section 9.1, paragraph 4: > The Opcode field identifies the type of iSER Messages: Are there IANA actions required for these type codes? IANA section is empty. Section 13.2, paragraph 2: > [DA] M. Chadalapaka et al., "Datamover Architecture for iSCSI", IETF > Internet-draft, draft-ietf-ips-da-02.txt (work in progress), Not normative? > [RDDPSEC] J. 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X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org RFC publication has just been requested for the VF MIB draft. The PROTO process (cf. draft-ietf-proto-wgchair-doc-shepherding-07.txt) is being used. Here is the PROTO writeup: Declarative Public Extension Key for iSCSI Node Architecture draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02.txt Requested Publication Status: Informational PROTO shepherd: David L. Black (IPS WG Chair) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? David L. Black Has the Document Shepherd personally reviewed this version of the document and, in particular, does he or she believe this version is ready for forwarding to the IESG for publication? Yes. (1.b) Has the document had adequate review both from key WG members and from key non-WG members? Yes. Does the Document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No - the WG went over this draft with a fine-toothed comb. (1.c) Does the Document Shepherd have concerns that the document needs more review from a particular or broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA, internationalization or XML? No. (1.d) Does the Document Shepherd have any specific concerns or issues with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if those issues have been discussed in the WG and the WG has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. The design of this key is based on HTTP mechanisms that have been abused to identify browsers, causing interoperability issues rising to the level of refusing to allow certain browsers to access certain web sites. This draft contains language intended to strongly discourage that sort of abuse, and while it is impossible to prohibit such abuse, in practice it can be accomplished by other means (e.g., look for presence or absence of a private key specific to an implementation). The iSCSI protocol is also considerably constrained (functionally) by comparison to web content (e.g., Javascript), and initial iSCSI interoperability experience has been good. This document is being published as Informational because RFC 3720 indicates that this class of key specification should be published as informational. RFC 2119 terminology is nonetheless appropriate because this document specifies a protocol extension. (1.e) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? There is solid WG consensus behind this document. (1.f) (1.g) Has the Document Shepherd verified that the document satisfies all ID nits? (See http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html and http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. The online checker finds no problems. (1.h) Has the document split its references into normative and informative? Yes. Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the strategy for their completion? No. Are there normative references that are downward references, as described in [RFC3967]? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure for them [RFC3967]. No. (1.i) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary The iSCSI protocol, described in RFC 3720, allows for extension items to the protocol in the form of Private or Public Extension Keys. This Internet-Draft describes a Public Extension Key for the purpose of enhancing iSCSI supportability. The key accomplishes this objective by allowing iSCSI nodes to communicate architecture details during the iSCSI login sequence. The receiving node can then use this information for enhanced logging and support. Working Group Summary This document was carefully reviewed in the WG primarily for security concerns (protecting sensitive information about what is running) and the possible abuse of this key in a fashion similar to the abuse of the HTTP "Server" and "User-Agent" fields that can damage interoperability. As a result of this WG attention, the draft contains specific text to address both concerns. Document Quality There are implementations of functionality similar to that provided by this key. This draft was reviewed for the IPS WG by David L. Black. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips From ips-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 12 15:10:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY5wZ-0007kW-CK; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:10:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY5wY-0007kQ-Sj for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:10:10 -0400 Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com ([128.222.32.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY5wW-00087v-IJ for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:10:10 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (sesha.lss.emc.com [10.254.144.12]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k9CJA8ft024817; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corpussmtp2.corp.emc.com (corpussmtp2.corp.emc.com [128.221.14.146]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k9CJ9U68010452; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:10:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Black_David@emc.com Received: from CORPUSMX20A.corp.emc.com ([128.221.62.13]) by corpussmtp2.corp.emc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:09:40 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:09:52 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iser Thread-Index: AcbuE4UAhUnHOt0sS0uc0jLWtgWvKAAHSXpg To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2006 19:09:40.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7C3F2A0:01C6EE31] X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.10.12.113442 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=, SPAM=0%, Reason='EMC_BODY_1+ -3, EMC_FROM_0+ -2, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d2e37451f7f22841e3b6f40c67db0f Cc: lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de, ips-ads@tools.ietf.org, ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Ips] RE: AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iser X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org IPS WG and iSER Authors, Let's get a new version of this draft, if for no other reason than Lars *will* use RFC Editor Notes to put the spelling corrections into the announcement that goes out to the world when the IESG approves this draft ;-) ... and the authors should take the fact that most of what Lars found is spelling and punctuation as a significant backhanded compliment on the quality of this draft! The [RDDPSEC] reference should be changed to normative, but the [DA] reference needs to remain informative as the iSER draft is supposed to be self-contained, and the DA draft will be published as Informational. Make sure the new version passes the idnits checker at: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ *before* submitting it - an initial run of the checker on the current draft will indicate what boilerplate updates are needed. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars Eggert [mailto:lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de]=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 4:53 AM > To: ips@ietf.org > Cc: ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org; ips-ads@tools.ietf.org > Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iser >=20 > Hi, >=20 > please find the AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iser-05.txt below. In a =20 > nutshell: No major issues but a number of comments and nits. =20 > Depending on the amount of changes needed, an RFC Editor Note may be =20 > sufficient, or a new revision may be needed. >=20 > Lars >=20 > ------ >=20 > Has idnits (unused references, etc.) and boilerplate issues (some due > to boilerplate changes during the too-long AD review - mea culpa). >=20 >=20 > INTRODUCTION, paragraph 12: > > Ko et. al. Expires April 2006 1 >=20 > Nit: s/et./et/ everywhere >=20 >=20 > Section 7.3.12, paragraph 3: > > qualified with DataDescriptorReject which defines the Rejct buffer. >=20 > Nit: s/Rejct/Reject/ >=20 >=20 > Section 8.1.1.3, paragraph 3: > > CmdSN of the PDU sent by the intiator in this category is x, the PDU >=20 > Nit: s/intiator/initiator/ >=20 >=20 > Section 8.1.2, paragraph 7: > > (Implementatin note: SCSI task timeout and recovery can be a >=20 > Nit: s/Implementatin/Implementation/ >=20 >=20 > Section 9.1, paragraph 4: > > The Opcode field identifies the type of iSER Messages: >=20 > Are there IANA actions required for these type codes? IANA=20 > section is > empty. >=20 >=20 > Section 13.2, paragraph 2: > > [DA] M. Chadalapaka et al., "Datamover Architecture for iSCSI", IETF > > Internet-draft, draft-ietf-ips-da-02.txt (work in progress), >=20 >=20 > Not normative? >=20 > > [RDDPSEC] J. Pinkerton et al., "DDP/RDMAP Security", IETF Internet > > Draft draft-ietf-rddp-security-07.txt (work in progress), April > > 2005 >=20 > Not normative? >=20 > --=20 > Lars Eggert NEC Network=20 > Laboratories >=20 >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips From ips-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 12 15:40:52 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY6Pl-0007hS-Vc; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:40:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY6Ou-00075C-5y for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:39:28 -0400 Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com ([128.222.32.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY6Bf-0002PI-QM for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:25:50 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (nagas.lss.emc.com [10.254.144.11]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k9CJPd2x010986 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com (corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com [10.254.64.53]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k9CJNvwA025868 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:25:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Black_David@emc.com Received: from CORPUSMX20A.corp.emc.com ([128.221.62.13]) by corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:25:02 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:25:12 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Publication Requested: iSCSI Node Architecture Key Thread-Index: AcbuL/21tfOEJvExQAG/k2ajx9O7CQAA/dEg To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2006 19:25:02.0167 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D2A7670:01C6EE34] X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.10.12.115443 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=, SPAM=0%, Reason='EMC_BODY_1+ -3, EMC_FROM_0+ -2, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8c5db863102a3ada84e0cd52a81a79e Subject: [Ips] RE: Publication Requested: iSCSI Node Architecture Key X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org Cut/paste error - First line should have said: RFC publication has just been requested for the iSCSI Node Architecture Key draft. Sorry, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Black, David=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:56 PM > To: ips@ietf.org > Cc: Black, David > Subject: Publication Requested: iSCSI Node Architecture Key >=20 > RFC publication has just been requested for the VF MIB draft. The > PROTO process (cf. draft-ietf-proto-wgchair-doc-shepherding-07.txt) > is being used. Here is the PROTO writeup: >=20 > Declarative Public Extension Key for iSCSI Node Architecture > draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02.txt >=20 > Requested Publication Status: Informational > PROTO shepherd: David L. Black (IPS WG Chair) > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- >=20 > (1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? >=20 > David L. Black >=20 > Has the Document Shepherd personally reviewed this version > of the document and, in particular, does he or she=20 > believe this > version is ready for forwarding to the IESG for publication? >=20 > Yes. >=20 > (1.b) Has the document had adequate review both from key=20 > WG members > and from key non-WG members? >=20 > Yes. >=20 > Does the Document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth > or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? >=20 > No - the WG went over this draft with a fine-toothed comb. >=20 > (1.c) Does the Document Shepherd have concerns that the document > needs more review from a particular or broader perspective, > e.g., security, operational complexity, someone=20 > familiar with > AAA, internationalization or XML? >=20 > No. >=20 > (1.d) Does the Document Shepherd have any specific concerns or > issues with this document that the Responsible Area Director > and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he > or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the=20 > document, or > has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any > event, if those issues have been discussed in the WG and the > WG has indicated that it still wishes to advance=20 > the document, > detail those concerns here. >=20 > The design of this key is based on HTTP mechanisms that have=20 > been abused > to identify browsers, causing interoperability issues rising=20 > to the level > of refusing to allow certain browsers to access certain web=20 > sites. This > draft contains language intended to strongly discourage that=20 > sort of abuse, > and while it is impossible to prohibit such abuse, in=20 > practice it can be > accomplished by other means (e.g., look for presence or=20 > absence of a private > key specific to an implementation). The iSCSI protocol is=20 > also considerably > constrained (functionally) by comparison to web content=20 > (e.g., Javascript), > and initial iSCSI interoperability experience has been good. >=20 > This document is being published as Informational because RFC=20 > 3720 indicates > that this class of key specification should be published as=20 > informational. > RFC 2119 terminology is nonetheless appropriate because this document > specifies a protocol extension. >=20 > (1.e) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it > represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with > others being silent, or does the WG as a whole=20 > understand and > agree with it? >=20 > There is solid WG consensus behind this document. >=20 > (1.f) >=20 > (1.g) Has the Document Shepherd verified that the=20 > document satisfies > all ID nits? (See http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html and > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/). Boilerplate=20 > checks are > not enough; this check needs to be thorough. >=20 > The online checker finds no problems. >=20 > (1.h) Has the document split its references into normative and > informative? >=20 > Yes. >=20 > Are there normative references to documents that > are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear > state? If such normative references exist, what is the > strategy for their completion? >=20 > No. >=20 > Are there normative references > that are downward references, as described in [RFC3967]? If > so, list these downward references to support the Area > Director in the Last Call procedure for them [RFC3967]. >=20 > No. >=20 > (1.i) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document > Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document > Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the > "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval > announcement contains the following sections: >=20 > Technical Summary >=20 > The iSCSI protocol, described in RFC 3720, allows for extension > items to the protocol in the form of Private or Public Extension > Keys. This Internet-Draft describes a Public Extension Key for the > purpose of enhancing iSCSI supportability. The key=20 > accomplishes this > objective by allowing iSCSI nodes to communicate=20 > architecture details > during the iSCSI login sequence. The receiving node can then use > this information for enhanced logging and support. >=20 > Working Group Summary >=20 > This document was carefully reviewed in the WG primarily=20 > for security > concerns (protecting sensitive information about what is=20 > running) and > the possible abuse of this key in a fashion similar to the abuse of > the HTTP "Server" and "User-Agent" fields that can damage > interoperability. As a result of this WG attention, the draft > contains specific text to address both concerns. >=20 > Document Quality >=20 > There are implementations of functionality similar to that provided > by this key. >=20 > This draft was reviewed for the IPS WG by David L. Black. >=20 > Thanks, > --David >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------- > David L. Black, Senior Technologist > EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > ---------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips From ips-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 12 15:46:31 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY6VY-0004ik-LT; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:46:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY6VX-0004ie-Fk for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:46:19 -0400 Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com ([128.222.32.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY6VX-0005Ll-1F for ips@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:46:19 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (uraeus.lss.emc.com [10.254.144.14]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k9CJkGZs025984; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com (corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com [10.254.64.53]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k9CJji6C019280; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Black_David@emc.com Received: from CORPUSMX20A.corp.emc.com ([128.221.62.13]) by corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:45:34 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:45:48 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da Thread-Index: AcbuE9UNqoy2bfBBS3u4cYT9hkqsQgAHkbUQ To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2006 19:45:34.0565 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBBB7950:01C6EE36] X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.10.12.121442 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=, SPAM=0%, Reason='EMC_BODY_1+ -3, EMC_FROM_0+ -2, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CP_NOT_1 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 249cd1efd3d5e0d09114abe826a41235 Cc: lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de, ips-ads@tools.ietf.org, ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Ips] RE: AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org IPS WG and DA draft authors, We definitely need a new version of this draft, as there appear to be a number of things that need attention here: > Has idnits (unused references, tabs, non-ASCII characters, etc.) and > boilerplate issues (some due to boilerplate changes during the > too-long AD review - mea culpa). Make sure the new version passes the ID Nits checker at: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ *before* submitting. That checker keeps getting upgraded, so it'll probably find some things that it wasn't looking for in mid-2005. > Document talks about the "Datamover protocol" as a wire protocol in > some places and in others it says the opposite (that it isn't a wire > protocol) - this is confusing. This needs some careful attention, as the problem starts in the Abstract: The new Datamover protocol provides a=20 reliable transport for all iSCSI PDUs, A Datamover protocol for iSCSI is one that satisfies the requirements of the Datamover architecture described in this draft - iSER is the first example. I've called attention to significant things that Lars found below - things I don't mention should just be done. > Section 3, paragraph 1: > > Figure 1 illustrates an example of the architectural layering > > of iSCSI and Datamover layers, in conjunction with a TCP/IP > > implementation of RDMAP/DDP layers in an iSCSI end node. > > Note that RDMAP/DDP/MPA, and TCP protocol layers are shown > > here only as an example and in reality, DA is completely > > oblivious to protocol layers below the Datamover layer. >=20 > Might want to point out that RDMA over SCTP also exists (and cite > corresponding ID). Unfortunately, iSCSI over SCTP doesn't exist at this point in time, so implying that there is iSCSI datamover support over SCTP would be wrong. This is a reason to not point out RDMA over SCTP's existence. > Section 5.5, paragraph 1: > > The term "Transport Connection" is used in this document as a > > generic term to represent the end-to-end logical connection > > as defined by the underlying reliable transport protocol. > > For this revision of this document, a Transport Connection > > means only a TCP connection. >=20 > What about RDMA over SCTP? Or, rather, isn't the Transport Connection > an RDMAP connection and hence independent of TCP or SCTP anyway? It's actually a transport connection over whatever transport is used, and while I would not mention SCTP, this text probably ought to be generalized as iSER (a Datamover protocol) has been implemented over InfiniBand. > Section 9.2, paragraph 4: > > A target iSCSI layer being notified of the arrival of TCP > > RESET is an example of when the Connection_Terminate_Notify > > Operational Primitive is invoked. >=20 > RDMAP RESET? TCP events should be hidden. This needs to be rephrased to talk about a transport connection being torn down as the consequence of arrival of a TCP RESET. The Datamover protocol (iSER in this example) will see the loss of the connection, even though it may not see the details of why the connection was lost. > Section 12, paragraph 1: > > If a well-known port is chosen as the mechanism to identify a > > Datamover protocol on TCP, the well-known port must be > > registered with IANA. Because the use of the well-known port > > is specific to the Datamover protocol in such a case, the > > resulting IANA considerations from such use must be specified > > by the specific Datamover protocol. DA itself does not have > > any specific IANA considerations. >=20 > Datamover protocol sits on top of RDMAP and would need to be > registered in an IANA registry there, rather that with a TCP port > number. RDMAP does not have a native notion of port numbers - one of the design decisions made in that protocol was to not add a level of demux beyond TCP ports. The paragraph is correct as written, although it could be generalized to allow a Datamover protocol to add its own level of demux on top of TCP. I think the best thing to do is remove this paragraph and replace it with a sentence saying that DA has no IANA considerations. > Section 16.1, paragraph 1: > > This section discusses the specific considerations for RDMA- > > based and RDDP-based Datamover protocols. >=20 > Shouldn't this section move to the iSER draft? I don't think so - it's mostly commentary on applying the DA model described in this draft. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars Eggert [mailto:lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de]=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:53 AM > To: ips@ietf.org > Cc: ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org; ips-ads@tools.ietf.org > Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da >=20 > Hi, >=20 > please find the AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da-03.txt below. In > a nutshell: No major issues but a number of comments and nits that =20 > might best be handled by a new revision before IESG review. >=20 > Lars >=20 > ------ >=20 > Has idnits (unused references, tabs, non-ASCII characters, etc.) and > boilerplate issues (some due to boilerplate changes during the > too-long AD review - mea culpa). >=20 >=20 > Document talks about the "Datmover protocol" as a wire protocol in > some places and in others it says the opposite (that it isn't a wire > protocol) - this is confusing. >=20 >=20 > Section 2.1, paragraph 1: > > There are new industry and standards initiatives to develop > > Remote Direct Memory Access (RDMA) and Remote Direct Data > > Placement (RDDP) technologies to work over IP fabrics. The > > principal value proposition of these technologies is that > > they enable one end node to place data in the final intended > > buffer on the remote end node, thus eliminating the data copy > > that traditionally happens in the receive path to move the > > data to the final buffer. The data copy avoidance in turn > > eliminates unnecessary memory bandwidth consumption, substan- > > tially decreases the reassembly buffer size requirements, and > > preserves CPU cycles that would otherwise be spent in > > copying. >=20 > Paragraph probably needs to be updated to reflect recent history (RDMA > done, not proposed anymore). >=20 >=20 > Section 2.2, paragraph 2: > > a) Provide guidance to Datamover protocol designers > > with respect to the functional boundary between > > iSCSI and the Datamover protocols. This guidance is > > critical since a significant part of the [RFC3720] > > protocol definition is left unchanged by this > > Architecture and the iSCSI notions from [RFC3720] > > (e.g., tasks, ITTs) are leveraged by the Datamover > > protocol. >=20 > Nit: would not capitalize "architecture" here (and later) >=20 >=20 > Section 3, paragraph 1: > > Figure 1 illustrates an example of the architectural layering > > of iSCSI and Datamover layers, in conjunction with a TCP/IP > > implementation of RDMAP/DDP layers in an iSCSI end node. > > Note that RDMAP/DDP/MPA, and TCP protocol layers are shown > > here only as an example and in reality, DA is completely > > oblivious to protocol layers below the Datamover layer. >=20 > Might want to point out that RDMA over SCTP also exists (and cite > corresponding ID). >=20 >=20 > Section 5.4, paragraph 3: > > shared memory etc.) is really upto the implementations. >=20 > Nit: s/upto/up to/ >=20 >=20 > Section 5.5, paragraph 1: > > The term "Transport Connection" is used in this document as a > > generic term to represent the end-to-end logical connection > > as defined by the underlying reliable transport protocol. > > For this revision of this document, a Transport Connection > > means only a TCP connection. >=20 > What about RDMA over SCTP? Or, rather, isn't the Transport Connection > an RDMAP connection and hence independent of TCP or SCTP anyway? >=20 >=20 > Section 9.2, paragraph 4: > > A target iSCSI layer being notified of the arrival of TCP > > RESET is an example of when the Connection_Terminate_Notify > > Operational Primitive is invoked. >=20 > RDMAP RESET? TCP events should be hidden. >=20 >=20 > Section 12, paragraph 1: > > If a well-known port is chosen as the mechanism to identify a > > Datamover protocol on TCP, the well-known port must be > > registered with IANA. Because the use of the well-known port > > is specific to the Datamover protocol in such a case, the > > resulting IANA considerations from such use must be specified > > by the specific Datamover protocol. DA itself does not have > > any specific IANA considerations. >=20 > Datamover protocol sits on top of RDMAP and would need to be > registered in an IANA registry there, rather that with a TCP port > number. >=20 >=20 > Section 15, paragraph 2: > > In addition, the following individuals had reviewed and > > contributed to the improvement of this document. The authors > > are grateful for their contribution. >=20 > Some of these are also listed as authors. >=20 >=20 > Section 16.1, paragraph 1: > > This section discusses the specific considerations for RDMA- > > based and RDDP-based Datamover protocols. >=20 > Shouldn't this section move to the iSER draft? >=20 > --=20 > Lars Eggert NEC Network=20 > Laboratories _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips From ips-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 13 17:38:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYUiz-0005mi-Sn; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:37:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYUiv-0005jZ-TR for ips@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:37:45 -0400 Received: from imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.66]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYUWc-0000G5-IU for ips@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:25:05 -0400 Received: from ibm59aec.bellsouth.net ([74.245.52.54]) by imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20061013212457.LGIP15978.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm59aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:24:57 -0400 Received: from IVVTDKV0981 ([74.245.52.54]) by ibm59aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20061013212457.RJMP23490.ibm59aec.bellsouth.net@IVVTDKV0981>; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:24:57 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01c6ef0e$0878c170$09031eac@ivivity.com> From: "Eddy Quicksall" To: "Dan Bar Dov" , "Julian Satran" References: Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:24:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: dfc64cf6e4c6efdbf6b8f4c995df04df Cc: ips@ietf.org, William Studenmund , John Hufferd X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1993954614==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1993954614== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C6EEEC.7B5B9590" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C6EEEC.7B5B9590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan, I see your failover problem similar to failover to a simple FC drive. It = has two SCSI ports and, using dual loops, the initiator can fail over = from one port to the other. If you expose two different TPGs then you = similate exactly this method because a TPG is simply a SCSI Port. Eddy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Julian Satran=20 To: Dan Bar Dov=20 Cc: ips@ietf.org ; William Studenmund ; John Hufferd=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery Dan,=20 The portal groups have to share more than a target name - they'll have = to have some common state (the CmdSN etc.).=20 If behind the routers there is only the "real" FC target I don't see = how you can build a portal out of several routers. If the target = function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all its = front-ends are.=20 Julo=20 "Dan Bar Dov" =20 03/10/06 12:00=20 To =20 cc "John Hufferd" , Julian = Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL, "William Studenmund" = =20 Subject RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery=20 =20 =20 Let me try to explain how it can and does happen.=20 =20 Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN = targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target name is generated from the FC = WWNN.=20 =20 When there are more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is = possible aFrom ips-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 13 17:38:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYUiz-0005mi-Sn; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:37:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYUiv-0005jZ-TR for ips@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:37:45 -0400 Received: from imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.66]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYUWc-0000G5-IU for ips@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:25:05 -0400 Received: from ibm59aec.bellsouth.net ([74.245.52.54]) by imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20061013212457.LGIP15978.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm59aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:24:57 -0400 Received: from IVVTDKV0981 ([74.245.52.54]) by ibm59aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20061013212457.RJMP23490.ibm59aec.bellsouth.net@IVVTDKV0981>; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:24:57 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01c6ef0e$0878c170$09031eac@ivivity.com> From: "Eddy Quicksall" To: "Dan Bar Dov" , "Julian Satran" References: Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:24:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: dfc64cf6e4c6efdbf6b8f4c995df04df Cc: ips@ietf.org, William Studenmund , John Hufferd X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1993954614==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1993954614== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C6EEEC.7B5B9590" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C6EEEC.7B5B9590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan, I see your failover problem similar to failover to a simple FC drive. It = has two SCSI ports and, using dual loops, the initiator can fail over = from one port to the other. If you expose two different TPGs then you = similate exactly this method because a TPG is simply a SCSI Port. Eddy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Julian Satran=20 To: Dan Bar Dov=20 Cc: ips@ietf.org ; William Studenmund ; John Hufferd=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery Dan,=20 The portal groups have to share more than a target name - they'll have = to have some common state (the CmdSN etc.).=20 If behind the routers there is only the "real" FC target I don't see = how you can build a portal out of several routers. If the target = function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all its = front-ends are.=20 Julo=20 "Dan Bar Dov" =20 03/10/06 12:00=20 To =20 cc "John Hufferd" , Julian = Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL, "William Studenmund" = =20 Subject RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery=20 =20 =20 Let me try to explain how it can and does happen.=20 =20 Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN = targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target name is generated from the FC = WWNN.=20 =20 When there are more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is = possible and normal=20 for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the same FC target. This is = not by mistake,=20 rather, it allows fail-over between such routers, where the initiator = uses the multiple portals=20 for failover.=20 =20 Given such a configuration, how does the initiator discover it?=20 option 1: the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine = information from the whole=20 router cluster for sendTargets response.=20 option 2: the initiator is configured with multiple discovery = addresses - one per router.=20 =20 If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine information = discovered in discrete sendTargets=20 responses and produce portal groups.=20 =20 My question relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear = from the iSCSI spec, if such failover=20 between portals (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets = responses is allowed.=20 =20 Thanks,=20 Dan=20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:05 AM To: William Studenmund Cc: Dan Bar Dov; ips@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery This is not supposed to happen (getting partial data in a session)=20 If it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration (between the = two discovery sessions).=20 Julo=20 William Studenmund =20 29/09/06 05:31=20 =20 To Dan Bar Dov =20 cc ips@ietf.org =20 Subject Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery=20 =20 =20 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: > Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single portal group from = > information > collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery sessions? I don't think you need two or more SendTargets discovery sessions. =20 You are supposed to hear about all portals in one SendTargets =20 response, so it's supposed to all be there. If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being =20 followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span said =20 cards anyway. :-) Take care, Bill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFHIV8DJT2Egh26K0RAtMRAJ0aABo+mr7HRWRf5ClX44sB15uSAACglrL7 oBLBpnH9PMvBjyu4RS+9dcc=3D =3D3dI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C6EEEC.7B5B9590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dan,
 
I see your failover problem similar to = failover to a=20 simple FC drive. It has two SCSI ports and, using dual = loops, the=20 initiator can fail over from one port to the other. If you expose two = different=20 TPGs then you similate exactly this method because a TPG is simply a = SCSI=20 Port.
 
Eddy
----- Original Message -----
=20 29/09/06 05:31=20 =20 To Dan Bar Dov =20 cc ips@ietf.org =20 Subject Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery=20 =20 =20 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: > Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single portal group from = > information > collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery sessions? I don't think you need two or more SendTargets discovery sessions. =20 You are supposed to hear about all portals in one SendTargets =20 response, so it's supposed to all be there. If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being =20 followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span said =20 cards anyway. :-) Take care, Bill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFHIV8DJT2Egh26K0RAtMRAJ0aABo+mr7HRWRf5ClX44sB15uSAACglrL7 oBLBpnH9PMvBjyu4RS+9dcc=3D =3D3dI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C6EEEC.7B5B9590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dan,
 
I see your failover problem similar to = failover to a=20 simple FC drive. It has two SCSI ports and, using dual = loops, the=20 initiator can fail over from one port to the other. If you expose two = different=20 TPGs then you similate exactly this method because a TPG is simply a = SCSI=20 Port.
 
Eddy
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Julian Satran
Cc: ips@ietf.org ; William Studenmund ; John = Hufferd=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, = 2006 3:03=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group = discovery


Dan, =

The portal groups have to share more than a = target name=20 - they'll have to have some common state (the CmdSN etc.). =
If behind the routers there is only the = "real" FC=20 target I don't see how you can build a portal out of several routers. = If the=20 target function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all = its=20 front-ends are.

Julo=20


"Dan Bar = Dov" <danb@voltaire.com> =

03/10/06 12:00

To
<ips@ietf.org>=20
cc
"John Hufferd" <jhufferd@Brocade.COM>,=20 Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL,=20 "William Studenmund" <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com= >=20
Subject
RE: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery

=




Let me try to explain how it can and does = happen.=20
 
Our=20 iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN=20
targets to iSCSI = SAN. The iSCSI=20 target name is generated from the FC WWNN.
 
When there are=20 more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is possible and = normal=20
for two (or more) iSCSI = routers to=20 expose the same FC target. This is not by mistake,
rather, it allows fail-over between such = routers, where the=20 initiator uses the multiple portals
for failover.
  =
From:=20 Julian Satran
Cc: ips@ietf.org ; William Studenmund ; John = Hufferd=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, = 2006 3:03=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group = discovery


Dan, =

The portal groups have to share more than a = target name=20 - they'll have to have some common state (the CmdSN etc.). =
If behind the routers there is only the = "real" FC=20 target I don't see how you can build a portal out of several routers. = If the=20 target function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all = its=20 front-ends are.

Julo=20


"Dan Bar = Dov" <danb@voltaire.com> =

03/10/06 12:00

To
<ips@ietf.org>=20
cc
"John Hufferd" <jhufferd@Brocade.COM>,=20 Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL,=20 "William Studenmund" <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com= >=20
Subject
RE: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery

=




Let me try to explain how it can and does = happen.=20
 
Our=20 iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN=20
targets to iSCSI = SAN. The iSCSI=20 target name is generated from the FC WWNN.
 
When there are=20 more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is possible and = normal=20
for two (or more) iSCSI = routers to=20 expose the same FC target. This is not by mistake,
rather, it allows fail-over between such = routers, where the=20 initiator uses the multiple portals
for failover.
  =
Given such a configuration, how = does the=20 initiator discover it?
option 1:=20 the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine = information from=20 the whole
router = cluster for=20 sendTargets response.
option 2:=20 the initiator is configured with multiple discovery addresses - one = per=20 router.
 
If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine = information=20 discovered in discrete sendTargets
responses and produce portal groups.
 
My = question=20 relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear from the = iSCSI spec,=20 if such failover
between portals=20 (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets responses is=20 allowed.
 
Thanks,
Dan=20
 
  =

From: Julian Satran=20 [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, September = 29, 2006=20 8:05 AM
To: William Studenmund
Cc: Dan Bar Dov;=20 ips@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group = discovery


This is = not supposed to=20 happen (getting partial data in a session) =
If it happens it can be the result of a = reconfiguration (between the two discovery sessions).=20

Julo=20


William = Studenmund=20 <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>

29/09/06 05:31=20


To
Dan Bar = Dov=20 <danb@voltaire.com>
cc
ips@ietf.org=20
Subject
Re: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery







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On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar = Dov=20 wrote:

> Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single = portal=20 group from  
> information
> collected from two (or = more)=20 sendTargets discovery sessions?

I don't think you need two or = more=20 SendTargets discovery sessions.  
You are supposed to hear = about all=20 portals in one SendTargets  
response, so it's supposed to3D2>Given such a configuration, how = does the=20 initiator discover it?
option 1:=20 the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine = information from=20 the whole
router = cluster for=20 sendTargets response.
option 2:=20 the initiator is configured with multiple discovery addresses - one = per=20 router.
 
If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine = information=20 discovered in discrete sendTargets
responses and produce portal groups.
 
My = question=20 relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear from the = iSCSI spec,=20 if such failover
between portals=20 (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets responses is=20 allowed.
 
Thanks,
Dan=20
 
  =

From: Julian Satran=20 [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, September = 29, 2006=20 8:05 AM
To: William Studenmund
Cc: Dan Bar Dov;=20 ips@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group = discovery


This is = not supposed to=20 happen (getting partial data in a session) =
If it happens it can be the result of a = reconfiguration (between the two discovery sessions).=20

Julo=20


William = Studenmund=20 <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>

29/09/06 05:31=20


To
Dan Bar = Dov=20 <danb@voltaire.com>
cc
ips@ietf.org=20
Subject
Re: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery







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On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar = Dov=20 wrote:

> Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single = portal=20 group from  
> information
> collected from two (or = more)=20 sendTargets discovery sessions?

I don't think you need two or = more=20 SendTargets discovery sessions.  
You are supposed to hear = about all=20 portals in one SendTargets  
response, so it's supposed to all = be=20 there.

If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see = that not=20 being  
followed. But then chances are you can't have a = session span=20 said  
cards anyway. :-)

Take = care,

Bill
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If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see = that not=20 being  
followed. But then chances are you can't have a = session span=20 said  
cards anyway. :-)

Take = care,

Bill
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It = has two SCSI ports and, using dual loops, the initiator can fail over = from one port to the other. If you expose two different TPGs then you = similate exactly this method because a TPG is simply a SCSI Port. Eddy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Julian Satran=20 To: Dan Bar Dov=20 Cc: ips@ietf.org ; William Studenmund ; John Hufferd=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery Dan,=20 The portal groups have to share more than a target name - they'll have = to have some common state (the CmdSN etc.).=20 If behind the routers there is only the "real" FC target I don't see = how you can build a portal out of several routers. If the target = function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all its = front-ends are.=20 Julo=20 "Dan Bar Dov" =20 03/10/06 12:00=20 To =20 cc "John Hufferd" , Julian = Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL, "William Studenmund" = =20 Subject RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery=20 =20 =20 Let me try to explain how it can and does happen.=20 =20 Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN = targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target name is generated from the FC = WWNN.=20 =20 When there are more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is = possible and normal=20 for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the same FC target. This is = not by mistake,=20 rather, it allows fail-over between such routers, where the initiator = uses the multiple portals=20 for failover.=20 =20 Given such a configuration, how does the initiator discover it?=20 option 1: the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine = information from the whole=20 router cluster for sendTargets response.=20 option 2: the initiator is configured with multiple discovery = addresses - one per router.=20 =20 If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine information = discovered in discrete sendTargets=20 responses and produce portal groups.=20 =20 My question relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear = from the iSCSI spec, if such failover=20 between portals (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets = responses is allowed.=20 =20 Thanks,=20 Dan=20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:05 AM To: William Studenmund Cc: Dan Bar Dov; ips@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery This is not supposed to happen (getting partial data in a session)=20 If it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration (between the = two discovery sessions).=20 Julo=20 William Studenmund =20 29/09/06 05:31=20 =20 To Dan Bar Dov =20 cc ips@ietf.org =20 Subject Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery=20 =20 =20 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: > Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single portal group from = > information > collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery sessions? I don't think you need two or more SendTargets discovery sessions. =20 You are supposed to hear about all portals in one SendTargets =20 response, so it's supposed to all be there. If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being =20 followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span said =20 cards anyway. :-) Take care, Bill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFHIV8DJT2Egh26K0RAtMRAJ0aABo+mr7HRWRf5ClX44sB15uSAACglrL7 oBLBpnH9PMvBjyu4RS+9dcc=3D =3D3dI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C6EEEC.4BA0CDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dan,
 
I see your failover problem similar to = failover to a=20 simple FC drive. It has two SCSI ports and, using dual = loops, the=20 initiator can fail over from one port to the other. If you expose two = different=20 TPGs then you similate exactly this method because a TPG is simply a = SCSI=20 Port.
 
Eddy
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Julian Satran
Cc: ips@ietf.org ; William Studenmund ; John = Hufferd=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, = 2006 3:03=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group = discovery


Dan, =

The portal groups have to share more than a = target name=20 - they'll have to have some common state (the CmdSN etc.). =
If behind the routers there is only the = "real" FC=20 target I don't see how you can build a portal out of several routers. = If the=20 target function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all = its=20 front-ends are.

Julo=20


"Dan Bar = Dov" <danb@voltaire.com> =

03/10/06 12:00

To
<ips@ietf.org>=20
cc
"John Hufferd" <jhufferd@Brocade.COM>,=20 Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL,=20 "William Studenmund" <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com= >=20
Subject
RE: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery

ran=20 To: Dan Bar Dov=20 Cc: ips@ietf.org ; William Studenmund ; John Hufferd=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery Dan,=20 The portal groups have to share more than a target name - they'll have = to have some common state (the CmdSN etc.).=20 If behind the routers there is only the "real" FC target I don't see = how you can build a portal out of several routers. If the target = function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all its = front-ends are.=20 Julo=20 "Dan Bar Dov" =20 03/10/06 12:00=20 To =20 cc "John Hufferd" , Julian = Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL, "William Studenmund" = =20 Subject RE: [Ips] Portal group discovery=20 =20 =20 Let me try to explain how it can and does happen.=20 =20 Our iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN = targets to iSCSI SAN. The iSCSI target name is generated from the FC = WWNN.=20 =20 When there are more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is = possible and normal=20 for two (or more) iSCSI routers to expose the same FC target. This is = not by mistake,=20 rather, it allows fail-over between such routers, where the initiator = uses the multiple portals=20 for failover.=20 =20 Given such a configuration, how does the initiator discover it?=20 option 1: the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine = information from the whole=20 router cluster for sendTargets response.=20 option 2: the initiator is configured with multiple discovery = addresses - one per router.=20 =20 If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine information = discovered in discrete sendTargets=20 responses and produce portal groups.=20 =20 My question relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear = from the iSCSI spec, if such failover=20 between portals (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets = responses is allowed.=20 =20 Thanks,=20 Dan=20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:05 AM To: William Studenmund Cc: Dan Bar Dov; ips@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery This is not supposed to happen (getting partial data in a session)=20 If it happens it can be the result of a reconfiguration (between the = two discovery sessions).=20 Julo=20 William Studenmund =20 29/09/06 05:31=20 =20 To Dan Bar Dov =20 cc ips@ietf.org =20 Subject Re: [Ips] Portal group discovery=20 =20 =20 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar Dov wrote: > Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single portal group from = > information > collected from two (or more) sendTargets discovery sessions? I don't think you need two or more SendTargets discovery sessions. =20 You are supposed to hear about all portals in one SendTargets =20 response, so it's supposed to all be there. If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see that not being =20 followed. But then chances are you can't have a session span said =20 cards anyway. :-) Take care, Bill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFHIV8DJT2Egh26K0RAtMRAJ0aABo+mr7HRWRf5ClX44sB15uSAACglrL7 oBLBpnH9PMvBjyu4RS+9dcc=3D =3D3dI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo
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Let me try to explain how it can and does = happen.=20
 
Our=20 iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN=20
targets to iSCSI = SAN. The iSCSI=20 target name is generated from the FC WWNN.
 
When there are=20 more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is possible and = normal=20
for two (or more) iSCSI = routers to=20 expose the same FC target. This is not by mistake,
rather, it allows fail-over between such = routers, where the=20 initiator uses the multiple portals
for failover.
  =
Given such a configuration, how = does the=20 initiator discover it?
option 1:=20 the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine = information from=20 the whole
router = cluster for=20 sendTargets response.
option 2:=20 the initiator is configured with multiple discovery addresses - one = per=20 router.
 
If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine = information=20 discovered in discrete sendTargets
responses and produce portal groups.
 
My = question=20 relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear from the = iSCSI spec,=20 if such failover
between portals=20 (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets responses is=20 allowed.
 
Thanks,
Dan=20
 
  =

From: Julian Satran=20 [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, September = 29, 2006=20 8:05 AM
To: William Studenmund
Cc: Dan Bar Dov;=20 ips@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group = discovery


This is = not supposed to=20 happen (getting partial data in a session) =
If it happens it can be the result of a = reconfiguration (between the two discovery sessions).=20

Julo=20


William = Studenmund=20 <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>

29/09/06 05:31=20


To
Dan Bar = Dov=20 <danb@voltaire.com>
cc
ips@ietf.org=20
Subject
Re: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery







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> Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single = portal=20 group from  
> information
> collected from two (or = more)=20 sendTargets discovery sessions?

I don't think you need two or = more=20 SendTargets discovery sessions.  
You are supposed to hear = about all=20 portals in one SendTargets  
response, so it's supposed to all = be=20 there.

If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see = that not=20 being  
followed. But then chances are you can't have a = session span=20 said  
cards anyway. :-)

Take = care,

Bill
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Dan,
 
I see your failover problem similar to = failover to a=20 simple FC drive. It has two SCSI ports and, using dual = loops, the=20 initiator can fail over from one port to the other. If you expose two = different=20 TPGs then you similate exactly this method because a TPG is simply a = SCSI=20 Port.
 
Eddy
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Julian Satran
Cc: ips@ietf.org ; William Studenmund ; John = Hufferd=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, = 2006 3:03=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Ips] Portal group = discovery


Dan, =

The portal groups have to share more than a = target name=20 - they'll have to have some common state (the CmdSN etc.). =
If behind the routers there is only the = "real" FC=20 target I don't see how you can build a portal out of several routers. = If the=20 target function is in the "real target" it might as well know who all = its=20 front-ends are.

Julo=20


"Dan Bar = Dov" <danb@voltaire.com> =

03/10/06 12:00

To
<ips@ietf.org>=20
cc
"John Hufferd" <jhufferd@Brocade.COM>,=20 Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL,=20 "William Studenmund" <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com= >=20
Subject
RE: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery

=




Let me try to explain how it can and does = happen.=20
 
Our=20 iSCSI target device is a "gateway" (or router). It provides FC SAN=20
targets to iSCSI = SAN. The iSCSI=20 target name is generated from the FC WWNN.
 
When there are=20 more then one such routers in the iSCSI SAN, it is possible and = normal=20
for two (or more) iSCSI = routers to=20 expose the same FC target. This is not by mistake,
rather, it allows fail-over between such = routers, where the=20 initiator uses the multiple portals
for failover.
  =
Given such a configuration, how = does the=20 initiator discover it?
option 1:=20 the routers have "cluster awareness", one router can combine = information from=20 the whole
router = cluster for=20 sendTargets response.
option 2:=20 the initiator is configured with multiple discovery addresses - one = per=20 router.
 
If option 2 is used, then the initiator needs to combine = information=20 discovered in discrete sendTargets
responses and produce portal groups.
 
My = question=20 relates specifically to that situation - it is not clear from the = iSCSI spec,=20 if such failover
between portals=20 (with the same pgt) discovered in discrete sendTargets responses is=20 allowed.
 
Thanks,
Dan=20
 
  =

From: Julian Satran=20 [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, September = 29, 2006=20 8:05 AM
To: William Studenmund
Cc: Dan Bar Dov;=20 ips@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ips] Portal group = discovery


This is = not supposed to=20 happen (getting partial data in a session) =
If it happens it can be the result of a = reconfiguration (between the two discovery sessions).=20

Julo=20


William = Studenmund=20 <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>

29/09/06 05:31=20


To
Dan Bar = Dov=20 <danb@voltaire.com>
cc
ips@ietf.org=20
Subject
Re: [Ips] Portal group=20 discovery







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On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Dan Bar = Dov=20 wrote:

> Is it allowed for an initiator to create a single = portal=20 group from  
> information
> collected from two (or = more)=20 sendTargets discovery sessions?

I don't think you need two or = more=20 SendTargets discovery sessions.  
You are supposed to hear = about all=20 portals in one SendTargets  
response, so it's supposed to all = be=20 there.

If you had very separate off-load cards, I could see = that not=20 being  
followed. But then chances are you can't have a = session span=20 said  
cards anyway. :-)

Take = care,

Bill
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I thought about this once myself. I put a cap of 10. = In all my=20 testing I have never seen an initiator go that far.
 
Eddy
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 William Studenmund =
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, = 2006 3:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Ips] Logins that = are not=20 progressing

On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:48 AM, Paul Hughes wrote:

I have a few questions related to = iSCSI logins=20 based on the following scenarios:

1) An initiator has begun a login and = is now=20 sending multiple Login Request PDU's where the data segment length = is zero,=20 T=3D0, and C=3D0.

2) An initiator has begun a login and = is now=20 sending multiple Login Request PDU's where the data segment length = is=20 non-zero, T=3D0, and C=3D0.  For example, the initiator may be = sending=20 unique private extension keys in the data segment of each login = request=20 PDU.

3) An initiator has begun a login and = is now=20 sending multiple Login Request PDU's with a non-zero data segment = length,=20 T=3D0, and C=3D1.

Questions:

Is a target allowed to fail a login = after some=20 "not making progress" limit is reached in any or all of these=20 scenarios?
If so, what are = some practical=20 "not making progress" limits and what is the proper login = response?=20
How should a target handle scenario = #3 if it has=20 no more resources to handle the ever-growing data=20 segment?

Ok, out of order. #3 is easy. The = combined=20 packet (result when all the 'C' parts are put together) can't get too = big. For=20 large security algorithms, the spec notes the receiver should be able = to=20 receive 64k. So just take that as a hard max. If more than that comes = in, flag=20 it as an initiator error and close the connection. Strictly speaking, = if you=20 just do CHAP, you don't need to worry about more than 8K or = so.

For the others, the spec is vague. You can come up with your own = rules=20 about when a login should fail.

I'd suggest just putting a cap, say 10 or 16 packets, on login = nego. If=20 login isn't done after that, just kill it off and log the fact you did = it.

Take care,

Bill

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$B?M!!:J!!!!!!8=:_$N=w@-?t!!!!!!(B $B!!!!!!(B57,931$BL>!!(B $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(B $B"-%;!!%U!!%l!!>R!!2p!!>u!!$r!!; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:28:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lars.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FCB24E88D for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:28:28 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: ips@ietf.org Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:28:25 +0900 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5ebbf074524e58e662bc8209a6235027 Subject: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0643408308==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --===============0643408308== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-35-118796328; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-35-118796328 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Section 1.2., paragraph 3: > The key is sent during operational parameter negotiation of an iSCSI > session's login phase. The intended use of this key is to provide > enhanced logging and support capabilities, and to enable collection > of iSCSI implementation and usage information. Functional behavior > of the iSCSI node (this includes the iSCSI protocol logic -- the > SCSI, iSCSI, and TCP/IP protocols) MUST NOT depend on the presence, > absence, or content of the key. The key MUST NOT be used by iSCSI > nodes for interoperability, or exclusion of other nodes. To ensure > proper use, key values SHOULD be set by the node itself, and there > SHOULD NOT be provisions for the key values to contain user- defined > text. Suggest to move the text starting with "Functional behavior..." to Section 3 (Overview is not the place for this.) Finally - why is this going for Informational and not PS? PS seems appropriate. 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1GZHTR-0006Kf-37 for ips@ietf.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:41:02 -0400 Received: from lars.local (p4071-ipbf506hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp [124.86.111.71]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D339B1BAC9E for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:40:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lars.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB8B24E89B for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:40:56 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:40:55 +0900 To: ips@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9a2be21919e71dc6faef12b370c4ecf5 X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1815041379==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --===============1815041379== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-36-119545819; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-36-119545819 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:28, Lars Eggert wrote: > Finally - why is this going for Informational and not PS? PS seems > appropriate. To be precise, I saw David's note on this from the document writeup ("This document is being published as Informational because RFC 3720 indicates that this class of key specification should be published as informational.") It's unfortunate that 3720 doesn't also allow publication at Standards Track; I wonder what the rationale for this was. Intuitively, this should be OK, because Standards Track publication has a higher bar. If the WG decides to go for Informational because of 3720, I'm OK with it. It may make sense to add a short note to the introduction explaining this. 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1GZIit-0002lt-LS for ips@ietf.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:01:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 53417 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2006 03:00:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20061016030043.53415.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.134.212.78] by web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:00:43 PDT X-RocketYMMF: deepthinkingguy Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave W Subject: Re: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 To: Lars Eggert , ips@ietf.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: wysochanski@pobox.com List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --- Lars Eggert wrote: > Section 1.2., paragraph 3: > > The key is sent during operational parameter negotiation of an > iSCSI > > session's login phase. The intended use of this key is to provide > > enhanced logging and support capabilities, and to enable > collection > > of iSCSI implementation and usage information. Functional > behavior > > of the iSCSI node (this includes the iSCSI protocol logic -- the > > SCSI, iSCSI, and TCP/IP protocols) MUST NOT depend on the > presence, > > absence, or content of the key. The key MUST NOT be used by iSCSI > > nodes for interoperability, or exclusion of other nodes. To > ensure > > proper use, key values SHOULD be set by the node itself, and there > > SHOULD NOT be provisions for the key values to contain user- > defined > > text. > > Suggest to move the text starting with "Functional behavior..." to > Section 3 (Overview is not the place for this.) > Agreed - thanks for the suggestion. Fits nicely as the first paragraph of Section 3. > Finally - why is this going for Informational and not PS? 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d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.229]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k9G842JJ2011382 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:04:02 +0200 Received: from d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k9G81Xo1010344 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:01:33 +0200 Received: from d12mc102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12mc102.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.114]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9G81Xub010339; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:01:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: To: Lars Eggert MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.2 September 26, 2006 From: Julian Satran Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:04:01 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12MC102/12/M/IBM(Release 7.0.1HF269 | June 22, 2006) at 16/10/2006 10:04:02 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_mixed 002C1505C2257209_=" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d9238570526f12788af3d33c67f37625 Cc: ips@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --=_mixed 002C1505C2257209_= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 002C1508C2257209_=" --=_alternative 002C1508C2257209_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Lars, Yes we wanted new keys to be publicly documented without requiring authors to go to a strict review (that might be hard to get in several years). In retrospect we should have said "at least informational" although there is (at least in theory) an ordering between RFC "classes". Julo Lars Eggert 16/10/06 03:40 To ips@ietf.org cc Subject Re: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:28, Lars Eggert wrote: > Finally - why is this going for Informational and not PS? PS seems > appropriate. To be precise, I saw David's note on this from the document writeup ("This document is being published as Informational because RFC 3720 indicates that this class of key specification should be published as informational.") It's unfortunate that 3720 doesn't also allow publication at Standards Track; I wonder what the rationale for this was. Intuitively, this should be OK, because Standards Track publication has a higher bar. If the WG decides to go for Informational because of 3720, I'm OK with it. It may make sense to add a short note to the introduction explaining this. Lars -- Lars Eggert NEC Network Laboratories _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --=_alternative 002C1508C2257209_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Lars,

Yes we wanted new keys to be publicly documented without requiring authors to go to a strict review (that might be hard to get in several years).
In retrospect we should have said "at least informational" although there is (at least in theory) an ordering between RFC "classes".

Julo


Lars Eggert <lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de>

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On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:28, Lars Eggert wrote:
>   Finally - why is this going for Informational and not PS? PS seems
>   appropriate.

To be precise, I saw David's note on this from the document writeup  
("This document is being published as Informational because RFC 3720  
indicates that this class of key specification should be published as  
informational.")

It's unfortunate that 3720 doesn't also allow publication at  
Standards Track; I wonder what the rationale for this was.  
Intuitively, this should be OK, because Standards Track publication  
has a higher bar.

If the WG decides to go for Informational because of 3720, I'm OK  
with it. It may make sense to add a short note to the introduction  
explaining this.

Lars
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Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:45:22 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (nirah.lss.emc.com [10.254.144.13]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k9GEjIVG004095; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com (corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com [10.254.64.53]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k9GEjGVb016508; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:45:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Black_David@emc.com Received: from CORPUSMX20A.corp.emc.com ([128.221.62.13]) by corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:45:03 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:45:01 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 Thread-Index: Acbw/RAHkvAIZ8GuSl6RnFIGQcU49gAM2N2w To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2006 14:45:03.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9DB2240:01C6F131] X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.10.16.71442 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=, SPAM=0%, Reason='EMC_BODY_1+ -3, EMC_FROM_0+ -2, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 825e642946eda55cd9bc654a36dab8c2 Cc: ips@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org Julian and Lars, =20 We could get clever here. The crucial language in RFC 3720 says: =20 For IANA registered keys the string following X# must be registered with IANA and the use of the key MUST be described by an informational RFC. and there's similar language for Y# digest formats and Z# authentication methods. Given the level of review this draft has received (not only on the list, but also in Montreal, I put crucial pieces of this draft's text on the projector for word-by-word review), I don't think there would be any problem with this draft becoming a proposed standard RFC, and it could then update RFC 3720 to change "informational RFC" to "informational, experimental or standards track RFC" in all three places. I would want to issue a WG Last Call on these changes (publish nodearch-key as proposed, standard, update RFC 3720 to allow experimental and standards-track RFCs for X# keys, Y# digests, and Z# authentication methods), so that there is an adequate opportunity for anyone to object. Comments? Thanks, --David (ips WG chair) ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]=20 Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 4:04 AM To: Lars Eggert Cc: ips@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 =09 =09 Lars,=20 =09 Yes we wanted new keys to be publicly documented without requiring authors to go to a strict review (that might be hard to get in several years).=20 In retrospect we should have said "at least informational" although there is (at least in theory) an ordering between RFC "classes".=20 =09 Julo=20 =09 =09 =09 Lars Eggert =20 16/10/06 03:40=20 =09 To ips@ietf.org=20 cc =09 Subject Re: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 =09 On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:28, Lars Eggert wrote: > Finally - why is this going for Informational and not PS? PS seems > appropriate. =09 To be precise, I saw David's note on this from the document writeup =20 ("This document is being published as Informational because RFC 3720 =20 indicates that this class of key specification should be published as =20 informational.") =09 It's unfortunate that 3720 doesn't also allow publication at =20 Standards Track; I wonder what the rationale for this was. =20 Intuitively, this should be OK, because Standards Track publication =20 has a higher bar. =09 If the WG decides to go for Informational because of 3720, I'm OK =20 with it. It may make sense to add a short note to the introduction =20 explaining this. =09 Lars --=20 Lars Eggert NEC Network Laboratories =09 =09 _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips =09 =09 _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips From ips-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 16 11:12:53 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZU8u-00034Q-Oh; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:12:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZU8u-00034L-2T for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:12:40 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZU8p-0000Zq-DT for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:12:40 -0400 Received: from lars.local (u041251.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [203.212.41.251]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2A51BAC99; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:12:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lars.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75E5251C17; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:12:28 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Message-Id: <97510ADD-A70C-4FDE-8E2D-AE6C2859C9A3@netlab.nec.de> From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:12:26 +0900 To: Black_David@emc.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a3f7094ccc62748c06b21fcf44c073ee Cc: ips@ietf.org, Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1518408432==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --===============1518408432== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-168237106; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-6-168237106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Works for me - this would really only be correcting a small oversight in 3270. On Oct 16, 2006, at 23:45, Black_David@emc.com wrote: > Julian and Lars, > > We could get clever here. The crucial language in RFC 3720 says: > > For IANA registered keys the string following X# must be > registered > with IANA and the use of the key MUST be described by an > informational RFC. > > and there's similar language for Y# digest formats and Z# > authentication > methods. > > Given the level of review this draft has received (not only on the > list, > but also in Montreal, I put crucial pieces of this draft's text on the > projector for word-by-word review), I don't think there would be any > problem with this draft becoming a proposed standard RFC, and it could > then update RFC 3720 to change "informational RFC" to "informational, > experimental or standards track RFC" in all three places. > > I would want to issue a WG Last Call on these changes (publish > nodearch-key as proposed, standard, update RFC 3720 to allow > experimental > and standards-track RFCs for X# keys, Y# digests, and Z# > authentication > methods), so that there is an adequate opportunity for anyone to > object. > > Comments? > > Thanks, > --David (ips WG chair) > ---------------------------------------------------- > David L. Black, Senior Technologist > EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ > > From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com] > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 4:04 AM > To: Lars Eggert > Cc: ips@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ips] AD review of > draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 > > > > Lars, > > Yes we wanted new keys to be publicly documented without > requiring authors to go to a strict review (that might be hard to > get in > several years). > In retrospect we should have said "at least informational" > although there is (at least in theory) an ordering between RFC > "classes". > > Julo > > > > Lars Eggert > > 16/10/06 03:40 > > > To > ips@ietf.org > cc > > Subject > Re: [Ips] AD review of > draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 > > > > > > > On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:28, Lars Eggert wrote: > > Finally - why is this going for Informational and not PS? PS > seems > > appropriate. > > To be precise, I saw David's note on this from the document > writeup > ("This document is being published as Informational because RFC > 3720 > indicates that this class of key specification should be > published as > informational.") > > It's unfortunate that 3720 doesn't also allow publication at > Standards Track; I wonder what the rationale for this was. > Intuitively, this should be OK, because Standards Track > publication > has a higher bar. > > If the WG decides to go for Informational because of 3720, I'm > OK > with it. 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ips-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 16 11:19:54 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZUFb-0000Al-9Z; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:19:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZUFa-0000Ag-Qs for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:19:34 -0400 Received: from mtagate5.de.ibm.com ([195.212.29.154]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZUFV-0001WQ-Su for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:19:34 -0400 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate5.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k9GFJSHe055228 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:19:28 GMT Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k9GFLva92883596 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:21:57 +0200 Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k9GFJSm9008457 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:19:28 +0200 Received: from d12mc102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12mc102.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.114]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9GFJSCW008454; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:19:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: To: Black_David@emc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.2 September 26, 2006 From: Julian Satran Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:21:55 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12MC102/12/M/IBM(Release 7.0.1HF269 | June 22, 2006) at 16/10/2006 17:21:57, Serialize complete at 16/10/2006 17:21:57 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4c358d334afcd91b425d436ca5722f22 Cc: lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de, ips@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1205924481==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1205924481== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 00542C77C2257209_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00542C77C2257209_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" works for me - julo Black_David@emc.com 16/10/06 16:45 To Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL, cc Subject RE: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 Julian and Lars, We could get clever here. The crucial language in RFC 3720 says: For IANA registered keys the string following X# must be registered with IANA and the use of the key MUST be described by an informational RFC. and there's similar language for Y# digest formats and Z# authentication methods. Given the level of review this draft has received (not only on the list, but also in Montreal, I put crucial pieces of this draft's text on the projector for word-by-word review), I don't think there would be any problem with this draft becoming a proposed standard RFC, and it could then update RFC 3720 to change "informational RFC" to "informational, experimental or standards track RFC" in all three places. I would want to issue a WG Last Call on these changes (publish nodearch-key as proposed, standard, update RFC 3720 to allow experimental and standards-track RFCs for X# keys, Y# digests, and Z# authentication methods), so that there is an adequate opportunity for anyone to object. Comments? Thanks, --David (ips WG chair) ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 4:04 AM To: Lars Eggert Cc: ips@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 Lars, Yes we wanted new keys to be publicly documented without requiring authors to go to a strict review (that might be hard to get in several years). In retrospect we should have said "at least informational" although there is (at least in theory) an ordering between RFC "classes". Julo Lars Eggert 16/10/06 03:40 To ips@ietf.org cc Subject Re: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02 On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:28, Lars Eggert wrote: > Finally - why is this going for Informational and not PS? PS seems > appropriate. To be precise, I saw David's note on this from the document writeup ("This document is being published as Informational because RFC 3720 indicates that this class of key specification should be published as informational.") It's unfortunate that 3720 doesn't also allow publication at Standards Track; I wonder what the rationale for this was. Intuitively, this should be OK, because Standards Track publication has a higher bar. If the WG decides to go for Informational because of 3720, I'm OK with it. It may make sense to add a short note to the introduction explaining this. Lars -- Lars Eggert NEC Network Laboratories _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --=_alternative 00542C77C2257209_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
works for me - julo


Black_David@emc.com

16/10/06 16:45

To
Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL, <lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de>
cc
<ips@ietf.org>
Subject
RE: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02





Julian and Lars,

We could get clever here.  The crucial language in RFC 3720 says:

                For IANA registered keys the string following X# must be
registered
                with IANA and the use of the key MUST be described by an
informational RFC.

and there's similar language for Y# digest formats and Z# authentication
methods.

Given the level of review this draft has received (not only on the list,
but also in Montreal, I put crucial pieces of this draft's text on the
projector for word-by-word review), I don't think there would be any
problem with this draft becoming a proposed standard RFC, and it could
then update RFC 3720 to change "informational RFC" to "informational,
experimental or standards track RFC" in all three places.

I would want to issue a WG Last Call on these changes (publish
nodearch-key as proposed, standard, update RFC 3720 to allow
experimental
and standards-track RFCs for X# keys, Y# digests, and Z# authentication
methods), so that there is an adequate opportunity for anyone to object.

Comments?

Thanks,
--David (ips WG chair)
----------------------------------------------------
David L. Black, Senior Technologist
EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA  01748
+1 (508) 293-7953             FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786
black_david@emc.com        Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754
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                From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
                Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 4:04 AM
                To: Lars Eggert
                Cc: ips@ietf.org
                Subject: Re: [Ips] AD review of
draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02
               
               

                Lars,
               
                Yes we wanted new keys to be publicly documented without
requiring authors to go to a strict review (that might be hard to get in
several years).
                In retrospect we should have said "at least informational"
although there is (at least in theory) an ordering between RFC
"classes".
               
                Julo
               
               
               
                Lars Eggert <lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de>

                16/10/06 03:40

                                 
                                 To
                                 ips@ietf.org
                                 cc
                                 
                                 Subject
                                 Re: [Ips] AD review of
draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02

                                 




                On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:28, Lars Eggert wrote:
                >   Finally - why is this going for Informational and not PS? PS
seems
                >   appropriate.
               
                To be precise, I saw David's note on this from the document
writeup  
                ("This document is being published as Informational because RFC
3720  
                indicates that this class of key specification should be
published as  
                informational.")
               
                It's unfortunate that 3720 doesn't also allow publication at  
                Standards Track; I wonder what the rationale for this was.  
                Intuitively, this should be OK, because Standards Track
publication  
                has a higher bar.
               
                If the WG decides to go for Informational because of 3720, I'm
OK  
                with it. It may make sense to add a short note to the
introduction  
                explaining this.
               
                Lars
                --
                Lars Eggert                                     NEC Network
Laboratories
               
               
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--=_alternative 00542C77C2257209_=-- --===============1205924481== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --===============1205924481==-- From ips-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 16 13:54:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZWfK-0003H7-El; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:54:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZWfJ-0003Gr-BC for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:54:17 -0400 Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com ([128.222.32.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZWfH-00033d-Ux for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:54:17 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (uraeus.lss.emc.com [10.254.144.14]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k9GHsAfN026501 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com (corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com [10.254.64.53]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k9GHrt2H020948 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Black_David@emc.com Received: from CORPUSMX20A.corp.emc.com ([128.221.62.13]) by corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:53:27 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:53:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IMPORTANT: WG Last Call on NodeArchitecture Key changes Thread-Index: AcbxS/s5E749XFXQTP6O7JYkGy0NeA== X-Priority: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: high To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2006 17:53:27.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBD29140:01C6F14B] X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.10.16.101442 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=, SPAM=0%, Reason='EMC_BODY_1+ -3, EMC_FROM_0+ -2, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.716, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_PRIORITY 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: Black_David@emc.com Subject: [Ips] IMPORTANT: WG Last Call on NodeArchitecture Key changes X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org Everyone, During AD Review of the NodeArchitecture key draft: Declarative Public Extension Key for iSCSI Node Architecture draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02.txt our AD (Lars) observed that the draft is of sufficient quality and utility to be a standards-track RFC (i.e., be published as a proposed standard RFC instead of as an informational RFC). In order to do that, we need to deal with the following language in Section 12.22 of RFC 3720: For IANA registered keys the string following X# must be registered with IANA and the use of the key MUST be described by an informational RFC. Similar language exists for Y# digest formats and Z# authentication methods. The exclusion of experimental and standards track RFCs is believed to be an oversight in all three cases. A standards track RFC can update RFC 3720 to correct this oversight. This is an IP Storage (ips) Working Group Last Call on the following changes in the direction and content of the NodeArchitecture Key draft: (1) Publish the draft as a Proposed Standard RFC instead of as an Informational RFC. (2) Add language to the draft that updates RFC 3720 to allow experimental and standards track RFCs in addition to informational RFCs for X# negotiation keys, Y# digest formats, and Z# authentication methods. This is a WG Last Call on direction only. Actual text to realize change (2) will be provided later [translation: I don't want to invest the time in writing it if it's not going to be used ;-) ]. This WG Last Call will run through 1159pm prevailing Pacific Time (US) on Monday, November 6th, 2006. Any objection to, suggested modification to, or comment on this proposed direction needs to be posted to this list before the end of this WG Last Call. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips From ips-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 16 15:47:23 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZYQX-00043o-TJ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:47:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZYQW-000409-3s for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:47:08 -0400 Received: from mononoke.wasabisystems.com ([66.173.145.228]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZYGJ-0003IM-St for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:36:37 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.10] (h-66-166-188-91.sndacagl.covad.net [66.166.188.91]) by mononoke.wasabisystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62420874CD; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:36:24 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <183226FB-F92B-4314-A113-2A157305F7B1@wasabisystems.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: William Studenmund Subject: Re: [Ips] IMPORTANT: WG Last Call on NodeArchitecture Key changes Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:36:15 -0700 To: Black_David@emc.com X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: ips@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:53 AM, Black_David@emc.com wrote: > Everyone, > > During AD Review of the NodeArchitecture key draft: > > Declarative Public Extension Key for iSCSI Node Architecture > draft-ietf-ips-iscsi-nodearch-key-02.txt > > our AD (Lars) observed that the draft is of sufficient quality and > utility to be a standards-track RFC (i.e., be published as a proposed > standard RFC instead of as an informational RFC). In order to do > that, we need to deal with the following language in Section 12.22 > of RFC 3720: > > For IANA registered keys the string following X# must be > registered with IANA and the use of the key MUST be described > by an informational RFC. > > Similar language exists for Y# digest formats and Z# authentication > methods. The exclusion of experimental and standards track RFCs > is believed to be an oversight in all three cases. My thought when we did this was that if a key was going to be a proposed standard, we would not use the [XYZ]# space for it. So rather than changing the text, why not just make the key "NodeArchitecture"? :-) My understanding is that existing implementations will (should?) react the same way to such a key as they would to X#NodeArchitecture (NotUnderstood), so we don't have an interoperation issue. If the group wants to stick with X#, I am not opposed to changing the text. 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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C6F201.71F33090-- From ips-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 17 04:09:15 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZk0H-0001oR-PF; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:08:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZk0G-0001dd-Df for ips@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:08:48 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZjtE-0001Xn-GV for ips@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:01:33 -0400 Received: from lars.local (p4071-ipbf506hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp [124.86.111.71]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598471BAC4D; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:01:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lars.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F298252060; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:01:27 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:01:24 +0900 To: ips@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a2c12dacc0736f14d6b540e805505a86 Cc: ips-ads@tools.ietf.org, ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1176387069==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --===============1176387069== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-39-228774686; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-39-228774686 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, FYI, the ID tracker has this document as going for Informational, whereas the charter has it going for PS. I assume the charter is correct and will change the target in the ID tracker. 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Thread-Topic: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da Thread-Index: AcbxwuBGf+XxvbGTSESJ+kICpIFIbwAspkLw To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2006 05:24:15.0340 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6FE0AC0:01C6F275] X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.10.17.215443 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=, SPAM=0%, Reason='EMC_BODY_1+ -3, EMC_FROM_0+ -2, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: ips-ads@tools.ietf.org, ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org The ID tracker is correct - this is going for Informational. Thanks, --David (ips WG chair) ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars Eggert [mailto:lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:01 AM > To: ips@ietf.org > Cc: ips-ads@tools.ietf.org; ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da >=20 > Hi, >=20 > FYI, the ID tracker has this document as going for Informational, =20 > whereas the charter has it going for PS. I assume the charter is =20 > correct and will change the target in the ID tracker. >=20 > Lars > --=20 > Lars Eggert NEC Network=20 > Laboratories >=20 >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips From ips-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 18 22:35:22 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaNk3-0002Ge-F7; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:34:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaNk1-0002G6-6m for ips@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:34:41 -0400 Received: from web51908.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.48.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaNjw-00045v-Lq for ips@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:34:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 72890 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2006 02:34:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nEh49y52zN6+efG25EnzHxftA3hhSy8RqODD1IzT0e/04VrMtQwd9vnIUA+CON6VOhgd5wJYJQh2k3wGnLmEyFh99lrwRJHd90sPBSbqnOMKXzooMU7aDEAhSgxN8oBQPz9/JcSKOwSZIZ/oJVK26OWZdbIO//RYyY+m+/IpUqo= ; Message-ID: <20061019023436.72888.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.93.234.151] by web51908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:34:36 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mallikarjun C." Subject: Re: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da To: Lars Eggert , ips@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b1c41982e167b872076d0018e4e1dc3c Cc: ips-ads@tools.ietf.org, ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lars,=0A=0AThanks for the careful review. I plan to submit a new revisi= on of the draft in a day or so. Following are my responses/resolutions.=0A= =0AMallikarjun=0A=0A=0A> Has idnits (unused references, tabs, non-ASCII c= haracters, etc.) and=0A=0ANow fixed (most of them). I just didn't know wha= t to do about =0Anon-ASCII character complaints - idnits is flagging every = hyphen as a non-ASCII =0Acharacter for some reason....=0A=0A> Document ta= lks about the "Datmover protocol" as a wire protocol in=0A=0ADavid responde= d to this. Just to make it very clear, I tweaked the Abstract to say the f= ollowing:=0A".....While DA defines the architectural functions required of = the class of Datamover protocols, it does not define any specific Datamover= protocols. Each such Datamover protocol, to be defined in a separate docu= ment, provides a reliable transport for all iSCSI PDUs, but actually....."= =0AHope that makes it clearer.=0A=0A> some places and in others it says t= he opposite (that it isn't a wire=0A> protocol) - this is confusing.=0A= =0ADatamover protocol is one artifact within the umbrella DA architecture. = While the former is a wire protocol, the latter is not. The draft has bee= n pretty careful to consistently separate the two out.=0A=0A>Section 2.1, p= aragraph 1:=0A> Paragraph probably needs to be updated to reflect recent = history =0A>(RDMA=0A> done, not proposed anymore).=0A=0ADone.=0A=0A>=0A>= =0A>Section 2.2, paragraph 2:=0A> Nit: would not capitalize "architecture= " here (and later)=0A=0ASubjective. I now changed "Architecture" to "DA ar= chitecture"=0A=0A>Section 3, paragraph 1:=0A> Might want to point out tha= t RDMA over SCTP also exists (and cite=0A> corresponding ID).=0A=0ADavid = responded to it, no changes made here.=0A=0A>Section 5.4, paragraph 3:=0A>>= shared memory etc.) is really upto the implementations.=0A>=0A> = Nit: s/upto/up to/=0A=0ADone.=0A=0A>Section 5.5, paragraph 1:=0A>> = The term "Transport Connection" is used in this document as a=0A>> = generic term to represent the end-to-end logical connection=0A>> as= defined by the underlying reliable transport protocol.=0A>> For th= is revision of this document, a Transport Connection=0A>> means onl= y a TCP connection.=0A>=0A> What about RDMA over SCTP? Or, rather, isn't = the Transport Connection=0A> an RDMAP connection and hence independent of= TCP or SCTP anyway?=0A=0APer your & David's feedback, I changed the last s= entence to read:=0A "A TCP connection is an example of a Transport Connecti= on."=0A=0A>Section 9.2, paragraph 4:=0A>> A target iSCSI layer bein= g notified of the arrival of TCP=0A>> RESET is an example of when t= he Connection_Terminate_Notify=0A>> Operational Primitive is invoke= d.=0A>=0A> RDMAP RESET? TCP events should be hidden.=0A=0ATrue, the sente= nce can be misleading for it is too terse. I rephrased it to:=0AA target i= SCSI layer being notified of an ungraceful connection termination by the Da= tamover layer when the underlying Transport Connection is torn down due to = receiving a TCP RESET is one example when the Connection_Terminate_Notify = Operational Primitive is invoked.=0A=0A>=0A>=0A>Section 12, paragraph 1:=0A= >> If a well-known port is chosen as the mechanism to identify a=0A= >> Datamover protocol on TCP, the well-known port must be=0A>> = registered with IANA. Because the use of the well-known port=0A>> = is specific to the Datamover protocol in such a case, the=0A>> = resulting IANA considerations from such use must be specified=0A>> = by the specific Datamover protocol. DA itself does not have=0A>> a= ny specific IANA considerations.=0A>=0A> Datamover protocol sits on top o= f RDMAP and would need to be=0A> registered in an IANA registry there, ra= ther that with a TCP port=0A> number.=0A=0ADavid had already responded to= this. I did what David suggested, replaced the paragraph with a single se= ntence:=0ADA architecture does not have any IANA considerations.=0A=0A>Sect= ion 15, paragraph 2:=0A>=0A> Some of these are also listed as authors.=0A= =0ANot sure who, I double checked the list.=0A=0A>Section 16.1, paragraph 1= :=0A>> This section discusses the specific considerations for RDMA-= =0A>> based and RDDP-based Datamover protocols.=0A>=0A> Shouldn't= this section move to the iSER draft?=0A=0AIf it's okay, I'd prefer to leav= e this section in the DA draft, because =0Athe text is too DA-ish to belong= to iSER draft.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Lars E= ggert =0ATo: ips@ietf.org=0ACc: ips-ads@tools.ie= tf.org; ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org=0ASent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:53:= 11 AM=0ASubject: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da=0A=0A=0AHi,=0A= =0Aplease find the AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da-03.txt below. In = =0Aa nutshell: No major issues but a number of comments and nits that =0Am= ight best be handled by a new revision before IESG review.=0A=0ALars=0A=0A-= -----=0A=0A Has idnits (unused references, tabs, non-ASCII characte= rs, etc.) and=0A boilerplate issues (some due to boilerplate changes duri= ng the=0A too-long AD review - mea culpa).=0A=0A=0A Document talks abou= t the "Datmover protocol" as a wire protocol in=0A some places and in oth= ers it says the opposite (that it isn't a wire=0A protocol) - this is con= fusing.=0A=0A=0ASection 2.1, paragraph 1:=0A> There are new industr= y and standards initiatives to develop=0A> Remote Direct Memory Acc= ess (RDMA) and Remote Direct Data=0A> Placement (RDDP) technologies= to work over IP fabrics. The=0A> principal value proposition of t= hese technologies is that=0A> they enable one end node to place dat= a in the final intended=0A> buffer on the remote end node, thus eli= minating the data copy=0A> that traditionally happens in the receiv= e path to move the=0A> data to the final buffer. The data copy avo= idance in turn=0A> eliminates unnecessary memory bandwidth consumpt= ion, substan-=0A> tially decreases the reassembly buffer size requi= rements, and=0A> preserves CPU cycles that would otherwise be spent= in=0A> copying.=0A=0A Paragraph probably needs to be updated to = reflect recent history =0A(RDMA=0A done, not proposed anymore).=0A=0A=0A= Section 2.2, paragraph 2:=0A> a) Provide guidance to Datamov= er protocol designers=0A> with respect to the functional = boundary between=0A> iSCSI and the Datamover protocols. = This =0Aguidance is=0A> critical since a significant par= t of the [RFC3720]=0A> protocol definition is left unchan= ged by this=0A> Architecture and the iSCSI notions from [= RFC3720]=0A> (e.g., tasks, ITTs) are leveraged by the Dat= amover=0A> protocol.=0A=0A Nit: would not capitalize "a= rchitecture" here (and later)=0A=0A=0ASection 3, paragraph 1:=0A> F= igure 1 illustrates an example of the architectural layering=0A> of= iSCSI and Datamover layers, in conjunction with a TCP/IP=0A> imple= mentation of RDMAP/DDP layers in an iSCSI end node.=0A> Note that R= DMAP/DDP/MPA, and TCP protocol layers are shown=0A> here only as an= example and in reality, DA is completely=0A> oblivious to protocol= layers below the Datamover layer.=0A=0A Might want to point out that RDM= A over SCTP also exists (and cite=0A corresponding ID).=0A=0A=0ASection 5= .4, paragraph 3:=0A> shared memory etc.) is really upto the impleme= ntations.=0A=0A Nit: s/upto/up to/=0A=0A=0ASection 5.5, paragraph 1:=0A> = The term "Transport Connection" is used in this document as a=0A> = generic term to represent the end-to-end logical connection=0A> = as defined by the underlying reliable transport protocol.=0A> F= or this revision of this document, a Transport Connection=0A> means= only a TCP connection.=0A=0A What about RDMA over SCTP? Or, rather, isn'= t the Transport Connection=0A an RDMAP connection and hence independent o= f TCP or SCTP anyway?=0A=0A=0ASection 9.2, paragraph 4:=0A> A targe= t iSCSI layer being notified of the arrival of TCP=0A> RESET is an = example of when the Connection_Terminate_Notify=0A> Operational Pri= mitive is invoked.=0A=0A RDMAP RESET? TCP events should be hidden.=0A=0A= =0ASection 12, paragraph 1:=0A> If a well-known port is chosen as t= he mechanism to identify a=0A> Datamover protocol on TCP, the well-= known port must be=0A> registered with IANA. Because the use of th= e well-known port=0A> is specific to the Datamover protocol in such= a case, the=0A> resulting IANA considerations from such use must b= e specified=0A> by the specific Datamover protocol. DA itself does= not have=0A> any specific IANA considerations.=0A=0A Datamover p= rotocol sits on top of RDMAP and would need to be=0A registered in an IAN= A registry there, rather that with a TCP port=0A number.=0A=0A=0ASection = 15, paragraph 2:=0A> In addition, the following individuals had rev= iewed and=0A> contributed to the improvement of this document. The= authors=0A> are grateful for their contribution.=0A=0A Some of t= hese are also listed as authors.=0A=0A=0ASection 16.1, paragraph 1:=0A> = This section discusses the specific considerations for RDMA-=0A> = based and RDDP-based Datamover protocols.=0A=0A Shouldn't this section= move to the iSER draft?=0A=0A-- =0ALars Eggert = NEC Network Laboratories=0A_______________________________________= ________=0AIps mailing list=0AIps@ietf.org=0Ahttps://www1.ietf.org/mailman/= listinfo/ips=0A=0A _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips From nhejhwaofeo@tim-mckenna.com Thu Oct 19 10:47:42 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaZ9N-0000Pt-DQ for ips-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:45:37 -0400 Received: from 200-122-73-241.cab.prima.net.ar ([200.122.73.241]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaZ3e-0001f1-0a for ips-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:39:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c6f38d$87f13cb0$f1497ac8@toshibauser> From: "Orland" To: ips-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Arlington Heights Aurora Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:47:42 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a An Investor ALERT is being issued starting right N0W. 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Proviso Western Springs Wheaton Wheeling Wilmette From ips-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 20 09:26:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GauO1-0004ce-Ad; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:26:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GauO0-0004W9-Ed for ips@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:26:08 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GauNy-0006Pj-Vp for ips@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:26:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41A8200C968; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:26:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22306-03; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:26:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32992000294; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:26:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from n-eggert.office ([10.1.1.112]) by mx1.office over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:26:06 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n-eggert.office (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7252A2549F6; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:26:05 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <183226FB-F92B-4314-A113-2A157305F7B1@wasabisystems.com> References: <183226FB-F92B-4314-A113-2A157305F7B1@wasabisystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 1 Message-Id: <3C8D0941-8A52-45CE-ACFF-017DE3E9E9B8@netlab.nec.de> From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Ips] IMPORTANT: WG Last Call on NodeArchitecture Key changes Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:26:02 +0200 To: William Studenmund X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2006 13:26:06.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C166B20:01C6F44B] X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 Cc: ips@ietf.org, Black_David@emc.com X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1789694130==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --===============1789694130== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-507453149; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-11-507453149 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Oct 16, 2006, at 21:36, William Studenmund wrote: > My thought when we did this was that if a key was going to be a > proposed standard, we would not use the [XYZ]# space for it. > > So rather than changing the text, why not just make the key > "NodeArchitecture"? :-) My understanding is that existing > implementations will (should?) react the same way to such a key as > they would to X#NodeArchitecture (NotUnderstood), so we don't have > an interoperation issue. > > If the group wants to stick with X#, I am not opposed to changing > the text. I *would* like to see this document go to PS. If the WG comes to consensus on either David's or your proposal, that'd be fine with me. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Ips] IMPORTANT: WG Last Call on NodeArchitecture Key changes X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.2 September 26, 2006 From: Julian Satran Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:06:29 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12MC102/12/M/IBM(Release 7.0.1HF269 | June 22, 2006) at 20/10/2006 17:06:30 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_mixed 0052C05B8525720D_=" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 140baa79ca42e6b0e2b4504291346186 Cc: ips@ietf.org, William Studenmund , Black_David@emc.com X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --=_mixed 0052C05B8525720D_= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0052C05D8525720D_=" --=_alternative 0052C05D8525720D_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" As far as I can remember the reason we adopted the XYZ scheme is to clearly idetify keys as being part of the (explained in) RFC3720 or explained in some other document. In view of this David's proposal is in line with what we had in mind. Julo Lars Eggert 20/10/06 09:26 To William Studenmund cc ips@ietf.org, Black_David@emc.com Subject Re: [Ips] IMPORTANT: WG Last Call on NodeArchitecture Key changes On Oct 16, 2006, at 21:36, William Studenmund wrote: > My thought when we did this was that if a key was going to be a > proposed standard, we would not use the [XYZ]# space for it. > > So rather than changing the text, why not just make the key > "NodeArchitecture"? :-) My understanding is that existing > implementations will (should?) react the same way to such a key as > they would to X#NodeArchitecture (NotUnderstood), so we don't have > an interoperation issue. > > If the group wants to stick with X#, I am not opposed to changing > the text. I *would* like to see this document go to PS. If the WG comes to consensus on either David's or your proposal, that'd be fine with me. Lars -- Lars Eggert NEC Network Laboratories _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --=_alternative 0052C05D8525720D_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
As far as I can remember the reason we adopted the XYZ scheme is to clearly idetify keys as being part of the (explained in) RFC3720 or explained in some other document.
In view of this David's proposal is in line with what we had in mind.

Julo


Lars Eggert <lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de>

20/10/06 09:26

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William Studenmund <wrstuden@wasabisystems.com>
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Re: [Ips] IMPORTANT: WG Last Call on NodeArchitecture Key changes





On Oct 16, 2006, at 21:36, William Studenmund wrote:
> My thought when we did this was that if a key was going to be a  
> proposed standard, we would not use the [XYZ]# space for it.
>
> So rather than changing the text, why not just make the key  
> "NodeArchitecture"? :-) My understanding is that existing  
> implementations will (should?) react the same way to such a key as  
> they would to X#NodeArchitecture (NotUnderstood), so we don't have  
> an interoperation issue.
>
> If the group wants to stick with X#, I am not opposed to changing  
> the text.

I *would* like to see this document go to PS. If the WG comes to  
consensus on either David's or your proposal, that'd be fine with me.

Lars
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This draft is a work item of the IP Storage Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Objects for iSNS (Internet Storage Name Service) Author(s) : K. Gibbons, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ips-isns-mib-10.txt Pages : 0 Date : 2006-10-20 The iSNS protocol provides storage name service functionality on an IP network that is being used for iSCSI or iFCP storage. This draft provides a mechanism to monitor multiple iSNS Servers, including information about registered objects in an iSNS Server. This memo is a product of the IP Storage (IPS) working group within the Internet Engineering Task Force. Comments are solicited and should be addressed to the working group's mailing list at ips@ietf.org and/or the authors. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ips-isns-mib-10.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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"i leave it to yourself to determine," said mr. bennet.elizabeth was sitting with her mother and sisters, reflecting on what she had heard, and doubting
between him and darcy there was a very steady friendship, in spite of great opposition of
"but you-how are you?" cried elizabeth. "you look pale. how much you must have goneadded something to their knowledge of the officers' names and connections. their lodgings were not
contempt seemed abundantly increasing with the length of his second speech, and at the end of it he
"not yet," replied jane. "but now that my dear uncle is come, i hope everything will be well."
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This draft is a work item of the IP Storage Working Group of the IETF. Title : Datamover Architecture for iSCSI (DA) Author(s) : M. Chadalapaka, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da-04.txt,.pdf Pages : 65 Date : 2006-10-22 iSCSI is a SCSI transport protocol that maps the SCSI family of application protocols onto TCP/IP. Datamover Architecture for iSCSI (DA) defines an abstract model in which the movement of data between iSCSI end nodes is logically separated from the rest of the iSCSI protocol in order to allow iSCSI to adapt to innovations available in new IP transports. While DA defines the architectural functions required of the class of Datamover protocols, it does not define any specific Datamover protocols. Each such Datamover protocol, to be defined in a separate document, provides a reliable transport for all iSCSI PDUs, but actually moves the data required for certain iSCSI PDUs without involving the remote iSCSI layer itself. This document begins with an introduction of a few new abstractions, defines a layered architecture for iSCSI and Datamover protocols, and then models the interactions within an iSCSI end node between the iSCSI layer and the Datamover layer that happen in order to transparently perform remote data movement within an IP fabric. It is intended that this definition would help map iSCSI to generic RDMA-capable IP fabrics in the future comprising TCP, SCTP, and possibly other underlying network transport layers such as InfiniBand. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da-04.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. 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Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:28:24 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: APB - Mike Ko Thread-Index: Acb28o2s7f9XBcHeTM2glDGhiwgcAg== X-Priority: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: high To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2006 22:28:25.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E3515C0:01C6F6F2] X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.10.23.145933 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=, SPAM=0%, Reason='EMC_BODY_1+ -3, EMC_FROM_0+ -2, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.716, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_PRIORITY 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: Black_David@emc.com Subject: [Ips] APB - Mike Ko X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org Everyone, It's now 1.5 weeks since the AD comments on the iSER and DA drafts came out. We have a revised version of the DA draft, but we do not have a revised version of the iSER draft, as I have not heard from its editor, Mike Ko. If anyone knows where Mike is, he needs to contact me ASAP so that we can work out a schedule for the necessary revisions to this draft. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. 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boundary="===============2021620721==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --===============2021620721== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-14-945152712; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-14-945152712 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, below is the AD review for draft-ietf-ips-isns-mib-10. This document is basically ready to go, modulo a few editing nits. Nice job! Lars INTRODUCTION, paragraph 12: > This memo is a product of the IP Storage (IPS) working group within > the Internet Engineering Task Force. Comments are solicited and > should be addressed to the working group's mailing list at > ips@ietf.org and/or the authors. Suggest to move the first sentence of this paragraph to the acknowledgments section and remove the second sentence altogether. Section 4., paragraph 2: > "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in Nit: s/, "MAY"/, "MAY"/ to make idnits happy Section 5., paragraph 27: > of DD's and DDS's, SNMP may be used to modify them via Nit: s/DD's/DDs/ Nit: s/DDS's,/DDSs,/ Section 5., paragraph 28: > 0 SNMP protocol is allowed to modify > DD's/DDS's Nit: s|DD's/DDS's|DDs/DDSs| Section 5., paragraph 31: > "The identifer for the unique integer Entity Index Nit: s/identifer/identifier/ Section 5., paragraph 37: > 30 1 = IKE/IPSec Enabled; 0 = IKE/IPSec Nit: s/IPSec/IPsec/g Section 5., paragraph 43: > object. The definitiions of each setting are defined in Nit: s/definitiions/definitions/ Section 5., paragraph 55: > object. The definitiions of each setting are defined in Nit: s/definitiions/definitions/ Section 5., paragraph 87: > when registerd in the iSNS Server instance. Either the Nit: s/registerd/registered/ Section 5., paragraph 156: > iSCSI node name MUST be indentical in all DDs, and is Nit: s/indentical/identical/ Section 5., paragraph 162: > is only done when a specific set of portals are prefered Nit: s/prefered/preferred/ Section 5., paragraph 195: > "The iSNS Management IP Address for the registred Entity Nit: s/registred/registered/ Section 5., paragraph 197: > "The iSNS Entity Registration Timestamp for the registred Nit: s/registred/registered/ Section 5., paragraph 297: > regisered in the iSNS." 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(CEST) In-Reply-To: <20061019023436.72888.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061019023436.72888.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Message-Id: <85B1CB02-677E-42EC-A4ED-25B626BB50B3@netlab.nec.de> From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Ips] AD review of draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:21:15 +0200 To: Mallikarjun C. X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2006 15:21:18.0902 (UTC) FILETIME=[38640D60:01C6F849] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3d7f2f6612d734db849efa86ea692407 Cc: ips@ietf.org, ips-chairs@tools.ietf.org, ips-ads@tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2061568594==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org --===============2061568594== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-946366612; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-15-946366612 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Oct 19, 2006, at 4:34, Mallikarjun C. wrote: >> Has idnits (unused references, tabs, non-ASCII characters, etc.) >> and > > Now fixed (most of them). I just didn't know what to do about > non-ASCII character complaints - idnits is flagging every hyphen as > a non-ASCII > character for some reason.... I'm not sure what template you use, but the easy answer is to manually edit the ASCII version in a text editor to replace these. Also, there are some idnits other than about non-ASCII characters, please fix these, too: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ips/draft-ietf-ips- iwarp-da/draft-ietf-ips-iwarp-da-04.nits.txt >> Document talks about the "Datmover protocol" as a wire protocol in > > David responded to this. Just to make it very clear, I tweaked the > Abstract to say the following: > ".....While DA defines the architectural functions required of the > class of Datamover protocols, it does not define any specific > Datamover protocols. Each such Datamover protocol, to be defined > in a separate document, provides a reliable transport for all iSCSI > PDUs, but actually....." > Hope that makes it clearer. It does, thanks. >> Section 9.2, paragraph 4: >>> A target iSCSI layer being notified of the arrival of TCP >>> RESET is an example of when the Connection_Terminate_Notify >>> Operational Primitive is invoked. >> >> RDMAP RESET? TCP events should be hidden. > > True, the sentence can be misleading for it is too terse. I > rephrased it to: > A target iSCSI layer being notified of an ungraceful connection > termination by the Datamover layer when the underlying Transport > Connection is torn down due to receiving a TCP RESET is one > example when the Connection_Terminate_Notify Operational Primitive > is invoked. I'd suggest to rephrase this to make it clearer that there may be non- TCP Transport Connections: A target iSCSI layer being notified of an ungraceful connection termination by the Datamover layer when the underlying Transport Connection is torn down. Such a Connection_Terminate_Notify Operational Primitive may be triggered, for example, by a TCP RESET in cases where the underlying Transport Connection uses TCP. >> Section 16.1, paragraph 1: >>> This section discusses the specific considerations for RDMA- >>> based and RDDP-based Datamover protocols. >> >> Shouldn't this section move to the iSER draft? > > If it's okay, I'd prefer to leave this section in the DA draft, > because > the text is too DA-ish to belong to iSER draft. That's actually why I thought it might make sense to move it. Currently, nothing in the iSER draft makes it clear that iSER is an instantiation of the Datamover architecture. The first mention of Datamover in iSER - other than in the terminology section - is buried in a bullet in section 2.2. This should be much more prominently stated. 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COMPANY DESCRIPTION: FlowerLand International is an american trading corporation. We specialize in all kinds of flowers, decorative plants and greenery that can be used for home or office/business. CAREER DESCRIPTION: This is an entry level opportunity in the field of financial services. EMPLOYMENT TYPE: Part-time employment. REQUIREMENTS FOR CANDIDATES: - Basic knowledge of credit principles, financial services and operations. - employee must be accurate, intelligent and dedicated. - Ability to work on multiple projects simultaneously along with meeting deadlines. - Ability to work independently or in a team environment. - Having no problem with the Law. - Having a functional bank account. Company account is an advantage. - Having a cellular phone. - Having a deep desire to achieve financial success. SALARY: $30 000-$60 000/yr ADVANTAGES: - No sign up fees. - No investment required. - Covered expenses. - Illness\disability friendly team. 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From ips-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 30 11:12:14 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeZja-0003q3-67; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:11:34 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeZjY-0003pD-RZ for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:11:32 -0500 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeZjQ-0007Zc-Al for ips@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:11:32 -0500 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i5so255337wra for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:11:24 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=luvOi9pTbRR40NCoCDWyGWunXb0jhLevaOQGdOqnxjUw1rShcdIsRzqeShCm+flvXnLkVvBAjckpuKhlrLu3+PQ89I1C57gY754PiE6vBz6uQfzYFbfpUrKGfJ6RewpRsCmT4DpKEazxI9SAcGX/pL6sYUg7qj3HJe7pYww8wRk= Received: by 10.64.151.17 with SMTP id y17mr4937437qbd; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:11:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.10.9 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:11:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2bd90fb70610300811o5c78a746i12c52f5c04923b1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:11:23 -0800 From: T.Krishnanand To: ips@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Subject: [Ips] task mgmt clarifications X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org Hi, a) While searching thru the archives I found a discussion about the "TM response" code for abort task....i didnt see any conclusion on that ... so ..heres the question again Since the SCSI layer has only one response code "function complete" .... why should the target return "task does not exist" for an abort task ? In other words how is the "task does not exist" TM status useful to the iscsi initiator while scsi isnt interested in it .. .must be something to do with cmdSN handling ? b) A related question .... Does it matter if the target returns "function complete" for an abort task but actually it has successfully executed the cmd at the backend (ie the cmd could not be aborted)...and also makes sure that the completed task doesnt generate any response after the TM response. c) consider the following scenario: sessionA and sessionB are accessing the same LUN... 1. sessionA causes a LUN reset while sessionB is still pumping cmds. 2. sessionB issues an "abort task" for a task ... which happens to be the first task in sessionB to be executed after the LUN reset (and hence carries the rest UA) suppose the cmd has executed in the backend (before it could be aborted) and has thus cleared the reset UA on sessionB ... should the abort task be failed with say "task does not exist" so that the scsi initiator comes to know of the LUN reset ? or is it ok to abort the cmd carrying reset UA .. in this case the initiator behind sessionB would never know about the LUN reset. cheers, tkrishna _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list Ips@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips From nljxqze@oregonhumane.org Mon Oct 30 11:16:46 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeZoc-0007HO-49 for ips-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:16:46 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeZob-0000Pq-Vo for ips-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:16:46 -0500 Received: from [201.247.80.35] (helo=[201.247.80.35]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeZoY-00089u-5t for ips-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:16:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c6fc3e$c8f1a790$2350f7c9@PRO2> From: "education families" To: ips-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: output Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:16:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6FC0C.7E573790" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2b3349545af520ba354ccdc9e1a03fc1 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6FC0C.7E573790 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01C6FC0C.7E573790" ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C6FC0C.7E573790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graphics Contests Info am Pack Auction Store a Podcast or online Helping = Hand Kloves Hunger Hope Music. 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DomainKey-Signature: s=smtpout; d=dell.com; c=nofws; q=dns; b=qfZwhWeKEwWTcsXmId6RPxPs1pBQEDBPr0XvPWEM89NdGWpLIy1nh5957tSmNu7PgjRzULETN+wuQGcndnawy25k0Tzf6R1CmbxxzrYIRWSo6Mxe/mFddKvFePCV5G4w; Received: from ausx3bpc102.aus.amer.dell.com ([10.30.101.52]) by ausc60pc101.us.dell.com with ESMTP; 31 Oct 2006 17:27:02 -0600 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,376,1157346000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="124379480:sNHT28744092" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:27:01 -0600 Message-ID: <389040536173ED4AADA5EFEA96333586022693A8@ausx3mpc106.aus.amer.dell.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Security and iSCSI and IPv6 Thread-Index: Acb9Q8pV7+gvZzELRgq6zFXvESuZ3w== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2006 23:27:01.0399 (UTC) FILETIME=[1126B270:01C6FD44] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Subject: [Ips] Security and iSCSI and IPv6 X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1601097741==" Errors-To: ips-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1601097741== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6FD44.110A84C7" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FD44.110A84C7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are the any mandatory requirements around support for IPSec for iSCSI targets that claim IPv6 compliance? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jacob ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FD44.110A84C7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Security and iSCSI and IPv6

Are the any = mandatory requirements around support for IPSec for iSCSI targets that = claim IPv6 = compliance?

Any = insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Jacob

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