From Black_David@emc.com Thu May 14 16:28:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ips@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ips@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AEB3A6BCE; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:28:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.098, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sRFvyePpcSU7; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (mexforward.lss.emc.com [128.222.32.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BABB3A686C; Thu, 14 May 2009 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si03.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI03.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.23]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id n4ENU8C5008145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 14 May 2009 19:30:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Black_David@emc.com Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (nagas.lss.emc.com [10.254.144.15]) by hop04-l1d11-si03.isus.emc.com (Tablus Interceptor); Thu, 14 May 2009 19:30:02 -0400 Received: from corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com (corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com [10.254.64.53]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.3.2mp/Switch-3.3.2mp) with ESMTP id n4ENU15t021979; Thu, 14 May 2009 19:30:01 -0400 Received: from CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com ([10.254.89.202]) by corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 14 May 2009 19:30:01 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:29:01 -0400 Message-ID: <9FA859626025B64FBC2AF149D97C944A02B76719@CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Storm WG: Progress update Thread-Index: AcnU68MKP8w1/43XSuCjAymoGT4jUA== To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2009 23:30:01.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6F2BA80:01C9D4EB] X-EMM-EM: Active Cc: imss@ietf.org, ips@ietf.org, Black_David@emc.com, rddp@ietf.org Subject: [Ips] Storm WG: Progress update X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:28:38 -0000 Progress is being made on the proposed storm WG - I plan to post a new version of the proposed charter next week. There have been a few minor changes: - The new iSCSI features work needs to include appropriate updates to the iSCSI MIB. - Similarly, deprecating iFCP Address Translation mode will need to include an update to the iFCP MIB. - It's useful to reference RFC 3723 for security and state that changes are not planned. This is also a good time to remind people to subscribe to the storm@ietf.org mailing list. Once the WG is formed, cross-posting to the other mailing lists will cease. To subscribe, please visit: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm . Also, this is another reminder that the rddp@ietf.org list will be shut down in favor of the storm@ietf.org mailing list in the near future. In addition, I've run into a minor hiccup involving access to T10 (SCSI) and T11 (Fibre Channel) standards documents. The INCITS access rules changed recently to prohibit general public access to final drafts of approved standards (access is available to anyone whose company belongs to T10 or T11). This is not as big a problem as it might appear, because our primary need in IETF is access to working drafts that remain publicly accessible. An important specific example is that part of the iSCSI update work to SAM-4 is to specify a number of new task management functions, including QUERY TASK. It turns out that T10 has made a minor, but important, change to QUERY TASK in their ongoing SAM-5 work and hence the appropriate base document for this iSCSI work appears to be revision 1 of SAM-5, which is publicly accessible. There are a number of other examples in which the current working draft of the standard is an appropriate reference document for the proposed storm WG work. This should not be mistaken for a complete answer - some access will be needed to final drafts of standards (e.g., those referenced by RFCs that are to be updated). A means for providing this access to IETF participants has been worked out with T10. I expect the corresponding means to work with T11, but I need to finish double-checking that before explaining how it'll work. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- From Black_David@emc.com Wed May 27 08:14:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ips@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ips@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A344E3A6C9A; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:14:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.098, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XrBo7BHMjJCR; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (mexforward.lss.emc.com [128.222.32.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE273A6D01; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si04.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI04.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.24]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id n4RFFmAx023357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 May 2009 11:15:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Black_David@emc.com Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (nagas.lss.emc.com [10.254.144.15]) by hop04-l1d11-si04.isus.emc.com (Tablus Interceptor); Wed, 27 May 2009 11:15:45 -0400 Received: from corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com (corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com [10.254.64.53]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.3.2mp/Switch-3.3.2mp) with ESMTP id n4RFFdhC015993; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:15:44 -0400 Received: from CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com ([10.254.89.202]) by corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 27 May 2009 11:15:43 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:15:42 -0400 Message-ID: <9FA859626025B64FBC2AF149D97C944A02CD35E3@CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com> In-Reply-To: <9FA859626025B64FBC2AF149D97C944A02B76719@CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Access to T10 and T11 documents Thread-Index: AcnU68MKP8w1/43XSuCjAymoGT4jUAJ7lkYw References: <9FA859626025B64FBC2AF149D97C944A02B76719@CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com> To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2009 15:15:43.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[00B1D450:01C9DEDE] X-EMM-EM: Active Cc: imss@ietf.org, ips@ietf.org, Black_David@emc.com, rddp@ietf.org Subject: [Ips] Access to T10 and T11 documents X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:14:46 -0000 Not too long ago, I wrote: > In addition, I've run into a minor hiccup involving access to > T10 (SCSI) and T11 (Fibre Channel) standards documents. The > INCITS access rules changed recently to prohibit general > public access to final drafts of approved standards (access is > available to anyone whose company belongs to T10 or T11). This > is not as big a problem as it might appear, because our primary > need in IETF is access to working drafts that remain publicly > accessible. >=20 > An important specific example is that part of the iSCSI update > work to SAM-4 is to specify a number of new task management > functions, including QUERY TASK. It turns out that T10 has made > a minor, but important, change to QUERY TASK in their ongoing > SAM-5 work and hence the appropriate base document for this iSCSI > work appears to be revision 1 of SAM-5, which is publicly > accessible. There are a number of other examples in which the > current working draft of the standard is an appropriate reference > document for the proposed storm WG work. >=20 > This should not be mistaken for a complete answer - some access > will be needed to final drafts of standards (e.g., those referenced > by RFCs that are to be updated). A means for providing this > access to IETF participants has been worked out with T10. I > expect the corresponding means to work with T11, but I need > to finish double-checking that before explaining how it'll work. So, here is the complete answer ... Both T10 and T11 have designated IETF as a liaison organization and have designated me as the individual responsible for the liaison relationship with IETF. This action authorizes me (as the individual responsible for the liaison relationship) to provide copies of final drafts of T10 and T11 standards to IETF participants for their personal use in IETF standardization activities that are related to T10 and T11 standards. I plan to do this via responding to email requests, and would ask people to be judicious in making requests - in particular, if your organization is a T10 or T11 member, you already have direct access to all of these documents and don't need to go through me. We have to resort to this mechanism (e.g., vs. just posting the final drafts) because INCITS, the parent organization of T10 and T11, changed the access rules for these drafts last year. Also, I would caution everyone that T10 and T11 use the term 'liaison' for almost all external relationships, whereas IETF reserves that term for situations "when the IAB feels that conditions warrant appointing" a liaison, and the IETF further cautions: "Note that such appointments are rare as the best way for organizations to work with the IETF is to do so within the working groups." The current intent is for the T10 and T11 relationships to follow that advice via being handled directly with the storm WG(-to-be) as opposed to being indirected through an IETF Liaison (e.g., as that will cause a corresponding indirection on the T10 and T11 sides, with the potential to seriously gum up the works). I'll send a v5 version of the proposed storm charter to the list shortly, and this is what will probably be sent out for IETF-wide review. Replies to this message should go only to the storm@ietf.org list. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- From Black_David@emc.com Sun May 31 13:04:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ips@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ips@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D163A6B7C; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:04:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qqQ9ZWmINl1t; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (mexforward.lss.emc.com [128.222.32.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08983A70BD; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si03.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI03.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.23]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id n4VK3kdB029265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 31 May 2009 16:03:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Black_David@emc.com Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (numailhub.lss.emc.com [10.254.144.16]) by hop04-l1d11-si03.isus.emc.com (Tablus Interceptor); Sun, 31 May 2009 16:03:34 -0400 Received: from corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com (corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com [10.254.64.53]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.3.2/Switch-3.3.2) with ESMTP id n4VK3TTt031635; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:03:33 -0400 Received: from CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com ([10.254.89.202]) by corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 31 May 2009 16:03:30 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C9E22A.DEA03CB1" Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:03:29 -0400 Message-ID: <9FA859626025B64FBC2AF149D97C944A02D37D4F@CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version Thread-Index: AcniKt3kwsrwnKNkQcK1TD1CcyrQkg== X-Priority: 1 priority: Urgent Importance: high To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2009 20:03:30.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEACCC20:01C9E22A] X-EMM-EM: Active Cc: imss@ietf.org, ips@ietf.org, rddp@ietf.org Subject: [Ips] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version X-BeenThere: ips@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Storage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:04:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9E22A.DEA03CB1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I believe is the final draft of the proposed charter for the STORM WG is attached; I've done a bunch of editing and added the info about T10 and T11 doc access. This is about to go out for wider review. Also, a reminder that STORM discussion will stop cc:'ing other mailing lists soon. If you're interested in STORM work, please subscribe to the storm@ietf.org mailing list: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm Finally - this is a near-final reminder that the rddp@ietf.org mailing list will be closing soon - all discussion of RDDP protocols will move to the storm@ietf.org mailing list. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. 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