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Hi,

On Nov 1, 2011, at 00:57 , Jari Arkko wrote:

> Yakov,
>=20
>> Furthermore, as John Scudder asked in his e-mail on 9/28, "the base
>> spec calls out a number of areas that require more experimentation.
>> A simple grep will find these. These experiments and what has been
>> learned from them should be documented.  The same applies if other
>> specs have similar caveats (I just haven't looked for them)."
>> The charter needs to explicitly include in the Goals and Milestones
>> the document(s) that cover this.
>>=20
>=20
> I would love to see documents in the charter that describe experiences =
from simulation/implementation/measurement/real-world use, and shed =
light on these issues.
>=20

There are a bunch of research papers out there that are interesting for =
the WG. Would it make sense to create kind of an informational document =
with pointers to the papers and a summary of the main results?

Or you are suggesting a different document for each open issue?


Luigi

> Jari
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A new Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol Working Group of the IETF.

    Title         : Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP)
    Author(s)     : D. Farinacci, et al
    Filename      : draft-ietf-lisp-16.txt
    Pages         : 92
    Date          : 2011-11-04
    
   This draft describes a network-based protocol that enables separation
   of IP addresses into two new numbering spaces: Endpoint Identifiers
   (EIDs) and Routing Locators (RLOCs).  No changes are required to
   either host protocol stacks or to the "core" of the Internet
   infrastructure.  LISP can be incrementally deployed, without a "flag
   day", and offers traffic engineering, multi-homing, and mobility
   benefits to early adopters, even when there are relatively few LISP-
   capable sites.

   Design and development of LISP was largely motivated by the problem
   statement produced by the October 2006 IAB Routing and Addressing
   Workshop.



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Terry,

The end of the charter says:

On Oct 19, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Terry Manderson wrote:

> It is expected that the results of specifying, implementing, and testing
> LISP will be fed to the general efforts at the IETF and IRTF (e.g., the
> Routing Research Group) that attempts to understand which type of a
> solution is optimal.=20

...

> In addition, as these issues are understood, the
> working group will analyze and document the implications of LISP on
> Internet traffic, applications, routers, and security. This analysis
> will explain what role LISP can play in scalable routing. The analysis
> should also look at scalability and levels of state required for
> encapsulation, decapsulation, liveness, and so on as well as the
> manageability and operability of LISP.


These seem to suggest two or more additional milestones, along the general =
lines of

- Summarize results of specifying, implementing, and testing LISP and forwa=
rd to IESG and/or IRTF.

and

- Analyze and document the implications of LISP on etc etc and explain blah=
 blah.  Forward to IESG for publication.

(This partly echoes Yakov's earlier comment.)

Regards,

--John=

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On Nov 1, 2011, at 4:42 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> On Nov 1, 2011, at 00:57 , Jari Arkko wrote:
>=20
>> Yakov,
>>=20
>>> Furthermore, as John Scudder asked in his e-mail on 9/28, "the base
>>> spec calls out a number of areas that require more experimentation.
>>> A simple grep will find these. These experiments and what has been
>>> learned from them should be documented.  The same applies if other
>>> specs have similar caveats (I just haven't looked for them)."
>>> The charter needs to explicitly include in the Goals and Milestones
>>> the document(s) that cover this.
>>>=20
>>=20
>> I would love to see documents in the charter that describe experiences f=
rom simulation/implementation/measurement/real-world use, and shed light on=
 these issues.
>>=20
>=20
> There are a bunch of research papers out there that are interesting for t=
he WG. Would it make sense to create kind of an informational document with=
 pointers to the papers and a summary of the main results?
>=20
> Or you are suggesting a different document for each open issue?


(I can't speak for Jari of course, but...)

I'm not fussed about how many documents are produced.  What I do think is d=
esirable is to close the open issues in some way.  This could be in an omni=
bus document that cites other papers as you describe, or separately.  The m=
ain thing would be to allow the reader to relate a given "needs experimenta=
tion" placeholder to the experimental results and conclusion.  I think this=
 can be phrased broadly enough in the list of milestones that it doesn't ti=
e the hands of the chairs in deciding what documents to produce.

I also expect that as issues are resolved, it would make sense to update th=
e base spec wherever there's now a "needs experimentation" placeholder.  In=
 fact, that could be an explicit goal and milestone of its own. =20

--John=

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Thanks John,

I'll include that milestone.

Cheers
Terry

On 5/11/11 6:24 AM, "John Scudder" <jgs@juniper.net> wrote:

> Terry,
>=20
> The end of the charter says:
>=20
> On Oct 19, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Terry Manderson wrote:
>=20
>> It is expected that the results of specifying, implementing, and testing
>> LISP will be fed to the general efforts at the IETF and IRTF (e.g., the
>> Routing Research Group) that attempts to understand which type of a
>> solution is optimal.
>=20
> ...
>=20
>> In addition, as these issues are understood, the
>> working group will analyze and document the implications of LISP on
>> Internet traffic, applications, routers, and security. This analysis
>> will explain what role LISP can play in scalable routing. The analysis
>> should also look at scalability and levels of state required for
>> encapsulation, decapsulation, liveness, and so on as well as the
>> manageability and operability of LISP.
>=20
>=20
> These seem to suggest two or more additional milestones, along the genera=
l
> lines of
>=20
> - Summarize results of specifying, implementing, and testing LISP and for=
ward
> to IESG and/or IRTF.
>=20
> and
>=20
> - Analyze and document the implications of LISP on etc etc and explain bl=
ah
> blah.  Forward to IESG for publication.
>=20
> (This partly echoes Yakov's earlier comment.)
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> --John=20


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FYI. Comments would be welcomed. I expect this to go to WGLC (in 6man) soon=
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=A0 This document provides an update of RFC 2460[RFC2460] in order to
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The IESG has received a request from the Locator/ID Separation Protocol
WG (lisp) to consider the following document:
- 'Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP)'
  <draft-ietf-lisp-16.txt> as an Experimental RFC

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Abstract


   This draft describes a network-based protocol that enables separation
   of IP addresses into two new numbering spaces: Endpoint Identifiers
   (EIDs) and Routing Locators (RLOCs).  No changes are required to
   either host protocol stacks or to the "core" of the Internet
   infrastructure.  LISP can be incrementally deployed, without a "flag
   day", and offers traffic engineering, multi-homing, and mobility
   benefits to early adopters, even when there are relatively few LISP-
   capable sites.

   Design and development of LISP was largely motivated by the problem
   statement produced by the October 2006 IAB Routing and Addressing
   Workshop.





The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp/

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LISP-DDT is a new mechanism for creating a distributed index of a LISP
EID-to-RLOC mapping information. It is a potential replacement for LISP+ALT
with greater flexibility in supporting additional EID formats, instances IDs
to differentiate between overlapping numbering spaces, and other features.
It is realized through relatively simple extensions to the LISP protocol.

	--Vince

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	Title           : LISP Delegated Database Tree
	Author(s)       : Vince Fuller
                          Darrel Lewis
                          Dino Farinacci
	Filename        : draft-fuller-lisp-ddt-00.txt
	Pages           : 26
	Date            : 2011-11-28

   This draft describes the LISP Delegated Database Tree (LISP-DDT), a
   hierarchical, distributed database which embodies the delegation of
   authority to provide mappings from LISP Endpoint Identifiers (EIDs)
   to Routing Locators (RLOCs).  It is a statically-defined distribution
   of the EID namespace among a set of LISP-speaking servers, called DDT
   nodes.  Each DDT node is configured with an EID-prefix that it "owns"
   plus information, including the RLOCs for Map Servers or other DDT
   nodes for each defined more-specific EID-prefix of the "owned"
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> LISP-DDT is a new mechanism for creating a distributed index of a LISP
> EID-to-RLOC mapping information. It is a potential replacement for =
LISP+ALT
> with greater flexibility in supporting additional EID formats, =
instances IDs
> to differentiate between overlapping numbering spaces, and other =
features.
> It is realized through relatively simple extensions to the LISP =
protocol.

I mentioned this work to a few people at the last IETF and requested the =
chairs to present in Paris. There are 3 implementations ongoing to =
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On 29 Nov 2011, at 19:51, Dino Farinacci wrote:

>> LISP-DDT is a new mechanism for creating a distributed index of a =
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>> EID-to-RLOC mapping information. It is a potential replacement for =
LISP+ALT
>> with greater flexibility in supporting additional EID formats, =
instances IDs
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>> It is realized through relatively simple extensions to the LISP =
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	Title           : LISP MIB
	Author(s)       : Gregg Schudel
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	Filename        : draft-ietf-lisp-mib-03.txt
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   This document defines managed objects for the Locator/ID Separation
   Protocol (LISP).  These objects provide information useful for
   monitoring LISP devices, including basic configuration information,
   LISP status, and operational statistics.


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