From nobody Thu Jun 1 04:44:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFFD12EB76 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 04:44:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xyA9GprxGtIB for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 04:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vhuecha.unizar.es (vhuecha.unizar.es [155.210.1.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1646129B6A for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 04:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gtc1pc12.cps.unizar.es ([155.210.158.17] helo=usuarioPC) by vhuecha.unizar.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dGOWG-0005rd-0V; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 13:44:00 +0200 From: "Jose Saldana" To: "'Templin, Fred L'" , References: <149503686832.6596.4352372878430993480.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <00bb01d2cfab$e3a738b0$aaf5aa10$@unizar.es> <6cec9ec9c97649f69860fbccfbb3d882@XCH15-06-08.nw.nos.boeing.com> In-Reply-To: <6cec9ec9c97649f69860fbccfbb3d882@XCH15-06-08.nw.nos.boeing.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 13:43:55 +0200 Message-ID: <00cb01d2dacc$5c97ee10$15c7ca30$@unizar.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQF+ykiOGpRTd7wRNmdgOuCTpv7tmQHXalgjAmeVxmeilgu2kA== Content-Language: es Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] RV: New Version Notification for draft-saldana-lisp-compress-mux-02.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 11:44:10 -0000 Thanks for the pointer, Fred! Jose > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Templin, Fred L [mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com] > Enviado el: jueves, 18 de mayo de 2017 19:45 > Para: Jose Saldana ; lisp@ietf.org > Asunto: RE: [lisp] RV: New Version Notification for = draft-saldana-lisp-compress- > mux-02.txt >=20 > Hi Jose, >=20 > This form of multiplexing is also described in = 'draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels': >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels/ >=20 > In that document (which is an informational and not a proposed = standard) they call it > "Packing" (see appendix A.2). >=20 > Thanks - Fred >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lisp [mailto:lisp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jose Saldana > > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:54 AM > > To: lisp@ietf.org > > Subject: [lisp] RV: New Version Notification for > > draft-saldana-lisp-compress-mux-02.txt > > > > Hi all, > > > > We have submitted a new version of this draft (multiplexing together = a number of > packets sharing a LISP header). > > > > Best regards, > > > > Jose > > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > > De: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > > > Enviado el: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 17 de mayo de 2017 18:01 > > > Para: Jose Mas ; Julian Navajas > > > ; Jose Saldana ; Jose Ruiz > > > Mas ; Julian Fernandez Navajas = > > > Asunto: New Version Notification for > > > draft-saldana-lisp-compress-mux-02.txt > > > > > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-saldana-lisp-compress-mux-02.txt > > > has been successfully submitted by Jose Saldana and posted to the > > > IETF repository. > > > > > > Name: draft-saldana-lisp-compress-mux > > > Revision: 02 > > > Title: Header compression and multiplexing in LISP > > > Document date: 2017-05-17 > > > Group: Individual Submission > > > Pages: 8 > > > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-saldana-lisp-compress- > mux- > > > 02.txt > > > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-saldana-lisp-compress-mux/ > > > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saldana-lisp-compress-mux-02 > > > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-saldana-lisp-compress- > mux- > > > 02 > > > Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-saldana-lisp-compress-mux-02 > > > > > > Abstract: > > > When small payloads are transmitted through a packet-switched > > > network, the resulting overhead may result significant. This = is > > > stressed in the case of LISP, where a number of headers have to = be > > > added to each packet. > > > > > > This document proposes a way to send together, into a single = packet, > > > a number of small packets, which are in the buffer of a ITR, = having > > > the same ETR as destination. This way, they can share a single = LISP > > > header, and therefore bandwidth savings can be obtained, and a > > > reduction in the overall number of packets sent to the network = can be > > > achieved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. > > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lisp mailing list > > lisp@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp From nobody Mon Jun 5 15:08:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5181312704B for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:08:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02i8W_eof85I for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x232.google.com (mail-yw0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 254AE12945E for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x232.google.com with SMTP id l75so23164574ywc.3 for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2017 15:08:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=NIzN/tPIIvUVFRuUf+GTg6Qkj9l9d2oCYtJRQ15jYWA=; b=rWmsq3sgDMPgLxIJllbrYcIq6SF9WUYJ4PYM5iic1NDUFoG5QgTEo1+s8QwF7Nds3W DZ7xBXWosuv0VQnHCrFSfJeIcm23kBJplOPtVA9ESdZQCuPapnk0ONg6A1Bg8KfCiWnP 3qIBRssRM25ZOUvP95VwpjYD2unDCM/ViLfPxHIr84ZmI4d7ZtrOD58xiCaVaPhaorhO r3eWFqLbqK8M4/y+U+/DC7Zt44oHzRzDrSK7dhA8iVQKlilQzFzz1eyiprTgtjpavNBZ 9aIR402g+LMNjmLaBmPdDHwkhiTidHHNc0Pu5riaqfj5EiAP4dHU8TFxvdYdymhUFSwv 5rTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=NIzN/tPIIvUVFRuUf+GTg6Qkj9l9d2oCYtJRQ15jYWA=; b=L0luSzyX4cQ10iSoy7BoZtJowJZSwpFPxzDrQ7pJWu3mdDvXoicu4Xqgl2ZXAl3DsH JSFmQVHwhf6+2Qwm3ex7mUK/hNlVk1PJVzO9mLgofw2nuzFUU84MW1oHg7SltWn3wnEj h2xa1WLAW3J/hpFW7EVWt1WFBCd5a7EXoFulRWmStPo7263Tjf93fZMvF4gHIdoFy9TX WEVcOBfIPMg35Q8FS9UcCzHyigqgMqB/JGkI7rPL6lK5/A7B79UcOlWvR/j3XeqsbnJv IV/jsNYC2uJ9M6bi1+082IXyVJHQzAH2P8Wm1J6O3LcwaTuktU82LANRoU95MotDbv9y EAlQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcBQTIiHmXe3ZEnwLl2KR3s4YLKCWLRs23gnhdfOEIRpkDb8I+Ib CxR+g65ewEhhmA== X-Received: by 10.129.92.133 with SMTP id q127mr485655ywb.235.1496700516340; Mon, 05 Jun 2017 15:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.197.31.157] (173-164-208-149-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [173.164.208.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r124sm1372922ywb.25.2017.06.05.15.08.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 05 Jun 2017 15:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Dino Farinacci In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:08:34 -0700 Cc: "lisp@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: "Templin, Fred L" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] A Simple BGP-based Mobile Routing System for the Aeronautical Telecommunications Network X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 22:08:39 -0000 > LISP=E2=80=99ers, Fred, thanks for the email. Sorry for the delay on my response. > Since the closing of the Routing Research Group (RRG), I have been = focused > on furthering the development of my own technologies that began there, > and really haven't paid much attention to LISP - even to the point = that I never > even took the time to read the LISP specs. That has changed over the = past > couple of days, and now I think I have something to discuss that = should > interest this group. Well a lot of machinery has been added for the various new and modern = use-cases coming up these days. > I am involved in a working group that is designing an IPv6-based = Internetwork > for the worldwide civil aviation air traffic management system. The = network > will be known as the Aeronautical Telecommunications Network with = Internet > Protocol Services (ATN/IPS). It will involve air traffic controllers = communicating > with aircraft that use aviation data links with low bandwidth and high = delay > properties (with some links having bandwidth as low as 32Kbps!). Each = aircraft > will receive a /56 IPv6 prefix taken from a shorter ATN/IPS service = prefix > (e.g., 2001:db8::/32). Okay. > Aircraft may undergo mobility events throughout their various phases = of flights, > such as handing off between cell towers, switching from a terrestrial = data link > to a satellite link, etc. So, the network needs to be designed to = handle most > mobility events at the intra-site level and only propagate mobility = events to > the network core when there is a major movement between sites. To that > end, I have published a document titled: Note, have a look at draft-farinacci-lisp-predictive-rlocs-02. It has = been called for adoption for a working group document. With this = mechanism, we minimize packet loss an wouldn=E2=80=99t have to have a = control-plane topology carry data packets as you are suggesting below. > "A Simple BGP-based Mobile Routing System for the Aeronautical > Telecommunications Network": > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-atn-bgp/ >=20 > This document describes a simple BGP-based hierarchy in an overlay = network > using tunnels. But after my reading over the past couple of days, I = have come > to realize that it is an example of a LISP+ALT topology. Well if you extend the LISP-ALT from the map-resolvers/map-servers to = the xTR, then you have that push mechanism available. And then you know = where an ETR is for a given EID.=20 > However, for this specific use case I see a possible departure from = the > recommendations of RFC6836. Namely, the packets produced by aviation = data Because the topology was provisioned and capacity planned for moving = small Map-Request messages that had different delivery requirements then = packet data. > links need to be treated as precious commodities that are to be = delivered > with the highest degree of reliability possible, which means that they = must > not be dropped due to an on-demand mapping table lookup. This means > that the packets should be routed over the LISP+ALT topology unless or > until a mapping is discovered. RFC6836 recommends against this in the > general sense, but I believe what we have here is an exception. I don=E2=80=99t think you need to. I think the reason you suggest that = is because a LISP-ALT topology knows =E2=80=9Cwhere topologically=E2=80=9D= an EID is. But if you have that, you could just encapsulate to the = last-hop BGP xTR. So the LISP-ALT topology wouldn=E2=80=99t be needed = for packet data. > The packets produced by aircraft need to be treated as precious = commodities That is what everyone says. Just not your industry. ;-) > by the network since there is no way to tell if the aircraft will be = able to > retransmit if the packet is dropped - each packet should be considered > as potentially the aircraft's very last transmission before falling = silent. Is there a multicast requirement? > So, what I think we should consider is whether there is a class of = packets > that should *always* be routed over the LISP+ALT topology, i.e., = instead > of serving as data probes. This could also give rise to a hybrid = topology > where safety-of-flight-critical packets are unconditionally forwarded = over > the ALT topology while lower priority packets are forwarded from ITR = to > ETR in the true LISP sense. Give us your opinion about the suggestions above. > Please have a look at my document and consider this use case I am > describing. Please post comments to the list. I did. We used this idea in many places to have a =E2=80=9Cpush-based=E2=80= =9D overlay using the BGP protocol. I probably have implemented 3 = different variants of it. So it is a well-known tool. 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([2001:660:330f:38:9d9d:27ae:4783:143d]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k35sm1783624wre.9.2017.06.07.04.54.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 07 Jun 2017 04:54:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Luigi Iannone Message-Id: <4955ACBF-5C38-4EAC-85C3-106EB9F700D3@gigix.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_95E4BE92-62BB-4B7E-BB98-906E6132329C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 13:54:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: lisp-chairs@ietf.org To: LISP mailing list list References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] Call for WG Adoption of document draft-farinacci-lisp-predictive-rlocs-02.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 11:54:57 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_95E4BE92-62BB-4B7E-BB98-906E6132329C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Folks, the call for adoption for this document is now over.=20 Several emails in support have been sent on the mailing list, clearly = showing consensus for adoption. The authors are invited to submit a new version of the document with = name draft-ietf-lisp-predictive-rlocs-00.txt. Thanks you all =20 ciao Luigi=20 Joel > On 19 May 2017, at 11:06, Luigi Iannone wrote: >=20 > Hi All, >=20 > Authors of the document draft-farinacci-lisp-predictive-rlocs-02.txt=20= > = [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-predictive-rlocs/ = ]= > asked for WG adoption. >=20 > This message begins the two weeks call for WG adoption.=20 > The call ends on June 2nd 2017. >=20 > Please respond to the LISP mailing list with any statements of = approval or disapproval. >=20 > Recall that: >=20 > - This is not WG Last Call. The document is not final, and the WG is = expected to=20 > modify the document=E2=80=99s content until there is WG consensus = that the content is solid. =20 > Therefore, please don=E2=80=99t oppose adoption just because you = want to see changes to its content. >=20 > - If you have objections to adoption of the document, please state = your reasons why,=20 > and explain what it would take to address your concerns. >=20 > - If you have issues with the content, by all means raise those issues = and we can=20 > begin a dialog about how best to address them. > =20 > = =20 > Luigi and Joel --Apple-Mail=_95E4BE92-62BB-4B7E-BB98-906E6132329C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Folks,

the = call for adoption for this document is now over. 
Several emails in support have been sent on the mailing list, =  clearly showing consensus for adoption.
The authors are invited to submit a new version of the = document with name draft-ietf-lisp-predictive-rlocs-00.txt.

Thanks you all =  

ciao

Luigi 
Joel

On 19 May 2017, at 11:06, Luigi Iannone <ggx@gigix.net> = wrote:

Hi All,

Authors of the = document draft-farinacci-lisp-predictive-rlocs-02.txt 
[https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-predictiv= e-rlocs/]
asked for WG adoption.

This message begins the two weeks call for WG = adoption. 
The call ends on  June 2nd 2017.

Please respond to the LISP mailing list with = any statements of approval or disapproval.

Recall that:

- This is not WG Last Call. The document is not final, and = the WG is expected to 
  modify the = document=E2=80=99s content until there is WG consensus that the = content is solid.  
  Therefore, = please don=E2=80=99t oppose adoption just because you want to see = changes to its content.

- If you have objections to adoption of the document, please = state your reasons why, 
  and explain = what it would take to address your concerns.

- If you have issues with the content, = by all means raise those issues and we can 
  begin a dialog about how best to address them.
                =       
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Luigi and = Joel

= --Apple-Mail=_95E4BE92-62BB-4B7E-BB98-906E6132329C-- From nobody Wed Jun 7 09:33:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietf.org Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891551294BD; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 09:33:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lisp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.53.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149685321442.2775.405118508184649898@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 09:33:34 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-predictive-rlocs-00.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 16:33:35 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol of the IETF. Title : LISP Predictive RLOCs Authors : Dino Farinacci Padma Pillay-Esnault Filename : draft-ietf-lisp-predictive-rlocs-00.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2017-06-07 Abstract: This specification will describe a method to achieve near-zero packet loss when an EID is roaming quickly across RLOCs. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-predictive-rlocs/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lisp-predictive-rlocs-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lisp-predictive-rlocs-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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([66.242.45.3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m2sm778207iti.26.2017.06.09.08.44.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 09 Jun 2017 08:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Dino Farinacci In-Reply-To: <80aed55b219c49ce93308006625aa45e@XCH15-06-08.nw.nos.boeing.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 08:44:09 -0700 Cc: "lisp@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5B16F1A8-BB21-43A3-A193-BA3C9D0B3044@gmail.com> References: <80aed55b219c49ce93308006625aa45e@XCH15-06-08.nw.nos.boeing.com> To: "Templin, Fred L" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] A Simple BGP-based Mobile Routing System for the Aeronautical Telecommunications Network X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 15:44:15 -0000 > Thanks, I read the document. It looks like the approach focuses on = trying to hit > a moving target, and an airplane might be a good example use case. = That is good, > but not exactly the case I was concerned about. I am concerned about = an airplane You were concerned about the =E2=80=9Cfirst packet drop while looking up = the mapping=E2=80=9D issue. In a mobility case, one could argue, you=E2=80= =99d have this for every move. The reason I pointed you to the document = is to show that you would not have it for every move. > that sends a single, isolated packet that gets routed through some = ground > network domain to an ITR that has no mapping cache entry for the = destination. > The ITR then has to issue a map-request and wait for a map-reply to = come back, > and in the interim the isolated packet could be lost. I would rather = see the > packet make steady forward progress toward the destination even if it = might > need to take a slightly longer path. We don=E2=80=99t find this in practice exactly for the mechanisms you = state below. Most xTRs are behind a NAT or firewall of some flavor, so = the xTRs ususally install 0.0.0.0/0 and 0::/0 in their map-caches when = they get a list of RTRs from the mapping system when they register. The = RLOCs for the default map-cache entries is the list of RTRs. That is = part of the nat-traversal design in draft-ermagen-lisp-nat-traversal. >=20 >>> "A Simple BGP-based Mobile Routing System for the Aeronautical >>> Telecommunications Network": >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-atn-bgp/ >>>=20 >>> This document describes a simple BGP-based hierarchy in an overlay = network >>> using tunnels. But after my reading over the past couple of days, I = have come >>> to realize that it is an example of a LISP+ALT topology. >>=20 >> Well if you extend the LISP-ALT from the map-resolvers/map-servers to = the xTR, then you have that push mechanism available.And >> then you know where an ETR is for a given EID. >=20 > I think where my document might differ from classical LISP-ALT (if = there is such > a thing) is that the xTRs are also BGP routers but they have only a = partial set of > EID-to-RLOC mappings. And, for any EID for which the xTR does not have = a That is what I suggested above. We have always said, for ANY mapping = database system, you could extend the mapping system functionality (i.e. = map-resolver and map-server) into the xTRs so they would participate in = LISP-ALT or LISP-DDT. > mapping, it forwards packets to a "default" BGP router that does have = the > full set of mappings. That is what an RTR does for nat-traversal, signal-free multicast, = LISP-RE, and LISP interworking. >=20 >>> However, for this specific use case I see a possible departure from = the >>> recommendations of RFC6836. Namely, the packets produced by aviation = data >>=20 >> Because the topology was provisioned and capacity planned for moving = small Map-Request messages that had different delivery >> requirements then packet data. >=20 > That sounds like a network planning consideration. The system could be = sized > to accommodate data packets as well as control. And, I am not talking = about Right. LISP-ALT was a logical tunnel topology where data packets could = take sub-optimal routes, where smaller, less frequently sent = Map-Requests could endure some sub-optimality. > large packets at high data rates - I am expecting that only a few = initial data > packets are forwarded over the longer path before route optimization Right. But many application writers say they want consistent latency = from the network rather than designed in inconsistent latency. > Based on what you are saying, I think there may be a difference = between > "classical" LISP-ALT and what my document is proposing. In my design, = ITRs > that are also BGP routers have only partial mapping information = initially and > so don't know how to reach the last-hop BGP xTR until a route = optimization > message is received. The (partial topology / full topology) design = reduces > the number of BGP updates and reduces the BGP convergence time. Yes, that is called a Map-Reply ;-) You are proposing the exact same machinery that already exists, just = using different nouns and verbs. ;-) >=20 >>> The packets produced by aircraft need to be treated as precious = commodities >>=20 >> That is what everyone says. Just not your industry. ;-) >>=20 >>> by the network since there is no way to tell if the aircraft will be = able to >>> retransmit if the packet is dropped - each packet should be = considered >>> as potentially the aircraft's very last transmission before falling = silent. >>=20 >> Is there a multicast requirement? >=20 > Yes, good point. The system will need to support multicast. I don't = address > this in the current document version, but it will need to be = addressed. Is it required to support multicast in the underlay? Or is it sufficient = to support a multicast overlay with a unicast underlay? > The other thing to mention about BGP is this. Packets sent over the = same paths > that carry BGP peerings maintained by TCP keepalives have the = assurance that > the path has been tested before any data packets try to use the path. = In contrast, We already have that with LISP proper. When an ITR populates its = map-cache, it sends RLOC-probes to each RLOC to test reachability. It = can also test reachability *while* it is sending data with echo-noncing = in the data-plane. It can use either or both. And when it uses both, = echo-noncing can suppress RLOC-probes to reduce message load. > in my understanding of LISP when an ITR receives a map-reply from an = ETR, it > knows that the ETR is up but does not yet know if the ITR->ETR path is = working It knows the ETR=E2=80=99s RLOC and there are many mechanisms of varying = quality to determine if the RLOC is reachable from the ITR=E2=80=99s = topological perspective. > because that path has not been tested yet. So, sending packets without = testing > the ITR->ETR path first is a leap of faith in a certain sense and = could result in a > black hole if that path is somehow blocked. In the approach I am = suggesting, > ITR->ETR paths are always tested first before any data packets are = sent. If you couple NAT-traversal with RLOC-probing, an ITR always has a = map-cache entry for EVERY destination and tests the RTR reachability = with Info-Requests and RLOC-probes. So you do not have single packet loss and you have tested the data path. 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[173.166.160.241]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m51sm738621qtb.62.2017.06.15.19.48.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 15 Jun 2017 19:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Dino Farinacci In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 19:48:43 -0700 Cc: "lisp@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4B222296-B336-419A-9103-997CECCF6FCF@gmail.com> References: <80aed55b219c49ce93308006625aa45e@XCH15-06-08.nw.nos.boeing.com> <5B16F1A8-BB21-43A3-A193-BA3C9D0B3044@gmail.com> To: "Templin, Fred L" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] A Simple BGP-based Mobile Routing System for the Aeronautical Telecommunications Network X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 02:48:46 -0000 > I re-read the document. My concern is for a Roaming-EID sending to a > fixed-EID when the ITR used by the Roaming-EID does not yet have a > mapping for the fixed-EID. That is the reverse direction from what is > discussed in *-predictive-rlocs AFAICT. Victor Moreno made a suggestion that has not been added yet to the = document where the predictive-RLOCs in the RLE path can have the = map-cache primed with the EID of the stationary node. So when packets = come to an RLOC that the roaming-EID has landed on, when it returns = packets to the stationary EID, the RLOC doesn=E2=80=99t have to send a = Map-Request. > There is no NAT or firewall, and no IPv4 in the system I am = considering. Okay, that simplifies the use-case. > But, even if the ITR has a default route to an RTR, the RTR would = still > have to consult the mapping service if it does not already have a > mapping, right? Yes, but it is acting in aggregate for all ITRs that default to it. So = it reduces the chances of sending a Map-Request. > Please let me know how you think the simple stub/core routing = arrangement > in my document maps to the RTR concept. In my document, the stub ASBRs The stubs are ITRs, the core are RTRs. It=E2=80=99s exactly they same = idea but you use different terms. > correspond to ITRs that have only partial topology information and the = core > ASBRs are default routers that have full topology information. In = AERO, the > stub ASBRs are AERO Servers and the core ASBRs are AERO Relays. If the RTRs have all the EID->RLOC information since it was pushed via = BGP, then there are no packet drops (for the EIDs that matched the = pushed data). > Consider the possibility that some classes of data packets (e.g., = safety-of-flight > critical short text messages) always take the sub-optimal but stable = route > while other classes of data packets (e.g., non safety-critical motion = video) > take the route-optimized path which may be subject to disruption. Same > destination; multiple paths. You can do this with RTR service-chaining. > I am proposing a set of default routers with full topology information = that can > forward data packets over suboptimal routes when an xTR does not have > a mapping. The xTR can then go fetch a mapping while continuing to = allow And I am proposing all xTRs have a default route to a set of RTRs that = have full routing information. > data packets to flow through the default router so that route = optimization > happens in parallel to data packet progression instead of dropping or > delaying initial packets. That is different than what I understand = about LISP. You can default to a coarse EID-prefix which is the longer route and if = a Map-Request is sent later and a more specific-EID is returned, then = that can correspond to the shorter route. > That is not quite the same as what I am talking about. In the design I = am > describing, no data packet is ever delayed, and no data packet is ever = sent > over a path that has not already been tested in the ITR->ETR = direction. Sending packets over suboptimal paths IS delaying data. I=E2=80=99m just = saying. ;-) > I think understand what you are saying, but it is not quite the same. >=20 > BTW, I arrived at the design I am describing based on my development = of the > AERO proposal. That design is based on the notion of a Non-Broadcast, = Multiple > Access (NBMA) virtual interface model for forwarding encapsulated = packets to > neighbors without explicit tunnels. That model had its origins in = RFC2529, which I don=E2=80=99t know what the definition of =E2=80=9Cexplicit tunnels=E2=80= =9D means. You should define it. But LISP has dynamically encapsulated = packets. There is no =E2=80=9Ctunnel setup=E2=80=9D in the protocol. 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Dino > On Jun 15, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Templin, Fred L = wrote: >=20 > Dino, >=20 > An important clarification: >=20 >> Rerouting from a slower path to a faster path can happen anywhere in = the >> network and at any time. >=20 > Slower/faster is not the correct distinction - both paths would be = carried over > high-bandwidth backbone links (e.g. 1Gbps). >=20 > The correct distinction is longer (delay) path vs. shorter (delay) = path. 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([2600:380:4630:6b43:5548:6fb2:52ff:1d26]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n123sm27324360pga.35.2017.06.20.11.57.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Dino Farinacci In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:57:45 -0700 Cc: "lisp@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <80aed55b219c49ce93308006625aa45e@XCH15-06-08.nw.nos.boeing.com> <5B16F1A8-BB21-43A3-A193-BA3C9D0B3044@gmail.com> <4B222296-B336-419A-9103-997CECCF6FCF@gmail.com> To: "Templin, Fred L" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] A Simple BGP-based Mobile Routing System for the Aeronautical Telecommunications Network X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:57:49 -0000 > You mean that if all communications went from ITR->RTR->ETR then > there would be no packet loss? That would be a dogleg path where > you would really rather do ITR->ETR. You put the RTR in the core so its on path for most flows. > What I am suggesting is to start out with a dogleg path, then discover > a direct path but continue to use the dogleg path until the direct = path > has been tested. After that, either go direct from ITR->ETR or = continue > to send some classes of packets over the dogleg path and send other > classes over the direct path, i.e., multipath. That can be done with LISP where the RTR sends an SMR = (Solicit-Map-Request or a Map-Notify) to the ITR to get the specific = mapping so it can go direct. Dino From nobody Tue Jun 20 12:58:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517A413162B for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:58:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id puGfhHY7BtGp for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phx-mbsout-01.mbs.boeing.net (phx-mbsout-01.mbs.boeing.net [130.76.184.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CC5113161B for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phx-mbsout-01.mbs.boeing.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/DOWNSTREAM_MBSOUT) with SMTP id v5KJw7fW048103; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:58:07 -0700 Received: from XCH15-06-11.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch15-06-11.nw.nos.boeing.com [137.136.239.220]) by phx-mbsout-01.mbs.boeing.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/UPSTREAM_MBSOUT) with ESMTP id v5KJvueC047876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:57:56 -0700 Received: from XCH15-06-08.nw.nos.boeing.com (2002:8988:eede::8988:eede) by XCH15-06-11.nw.nos.boeing.com (2002:8988:efdc::8988:efdc) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1263.5; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:57:55 -0700 Received: from XCH15-06-08.nw.nos.boeing.com ([137.136.238.222]) by XCH15-06-08.nw.nos.boeing.com ([137.136.238.222]) with mapi id 15.00.1263.000; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:57:55 -0700 From: "Templin, Fred L" To: Dino Farinacci CC: "lisp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [lisp] A Simple BGP-based Mobile Routing System for the Aeronautical Telecommunications Network Thread-Index: AdLF4mwFxtjCXUvzS2SxYgfVqmzg3wYoIZQAAHlOExAAQm9jgAD6mY/gAEpbwIAA19AXgAATMiiAAA08PVA= Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:57:54 +0000 Message-ID: <426d14f2fc2f411a95cbec97777e1bfc@XCH15-06-08.nw.nos.boeing.com> References: <80aed55b219c49ce93308006625aa45e@XCH15-06-08.nw.nos.boeing.com> <5B16F1A8-BB21-43A3-A193-BA3C9D0B3044@gmail.com> <4B222296-B336-419A-9103-997CECCF6FCF@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [137.136.248.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-TM-AS-MML: disable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] A Simple BGP-based Mobile Routing System for the Aeronautical Telecommunications Network X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:58:11 -0000 Hi Dino, > -----Original Message----- > From: Dino Farinacci [mailto:farinacci@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 11:58 AM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: lisp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [lisp] A Simple BGP-based Mobile Routing System for the Aero= nautical Telecommunications Network >=20 > > You mean that if all communications went from ITR->RTR->ETR then > > there would be no packet loss? That would be a dogleg path where > > you would really rather do ITR->ETR. >=20 > You put the RTR in the core so its on path for most flows. >=20 > > What I am suggesting is to start out with a dogleg path, then discover > > a direct path but continue to use the dogleg path until the direct path > > has been tested. After that, either go direct from ITR->ETR or continue > > to send some classes of packets over the dogleg path and send other > > classes over the direct path, i.e., multipath. >=20 > That can be done with LISP where the RTR sends an SMR (Solicit-Map-Reques= t or a Map-Notify) to the ITR to get the specific mapping > so it can go direct. This is the same thing as a Redirect in the terminology of IP links. The automatic tunneling used by LISP and AERO can be accurately modeled by the NBMA link model. The difference is that AERO openly acknowledges the NBMA link nature whereas LISP avoids it (there is no reference to "link" or "interface" wrt tunneling in the LISP specs that I could find). Thanks - Fred > Dino >=20 From nobody Fri Jun 23 17:13:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietf.org Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8156712EB06; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:07:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: lisp@ietf.org, db3546@att.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149826282752.7840.4633534089065218719.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:07:07 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] lisp - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 00:07:10 -0000 Dear Luigi Iannone, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. lisp Session 1 (2:00:00) Monday, Afternoon Session I 1330-1530 Room Name: Berlin/Brussels size: 100 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Locator/ID Separation Protocol Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Luigi Iannone Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: rtgwg nvo3 i2rs sidr grow sfc nfvrg pim intarea ospf Second Priority: mboned icnrg irtfopen idr spring bier maprg Third Priority: l2tpext bess People who must be present: Joel M. Halpern Wassim Haddad Deborah Brungard Luigi Iannone Padma Pillay-Esnault Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Jun 26 02:55:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE9E129AB8 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 02:55:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gigix-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SRrVc1eHsn6N for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 02:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x244.google.com (mail-wm0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2726E129A97 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 02:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x244.google.com with SMTP id j85so564029wmj.0 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 02:55:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gigix-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=znjyv5ZjWFkImH+1xwbltO4tTczh2sfAE1VTHGm+8sM=; b=ck6F3ESs4MvzyFEVACgoXDMWBkt5/ITiKH45Y63x8pv/zchEnfuntj0RdiO3P9DRsN PLU55ZalTI88uVlQSjCPnUDkPYfurb7huPwPFeq6eQvSiX0BBJ6++omPXH9QcHUHX0im glxSZNR/yaw9av4Kp7EIRPxgX6CYFwrs3tPRKcKv6aEunyPXYUR9uNgxmqw6QM5hSaKA YLpw7iuXYTSdkgAdAyGx0Ckc2eWjHL8QaUJMlEQwSZjnDzG45sgVDvKU0scTV6UcecN4 7qSWkKgyTEiNTCULdf2xrHPL5z8v0wc5RBKJ8HZIB6iKzpSQTKZi/vOZO0TgSmZret2b oqhg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=znjyv5ZjWFkImH+1xwbltO4tTczh2sfAE1VTHGm+8sM=; b=gm/qXp8ijPZ7LWs+/St9/FVaqsuIgx0rhpug47nEQog1M/BcKj3BQolvRIqHV5cJZG 4mE2mBtsL/gm9tAVxlpCwrsAks9MXEqoomnicqIVMBcTRKXDItE+zIufIYdfMKum6q7W uzZfEMNvt1wlBxeBU3KRs8PmTp18YJhd53kOU+rbKq3ZfNAAl8IY9osV2Q4C3TfdD1vX ccaJ0BtaKfONMZXcND+RvxQYX4igE+a3vX9d9F8kVZYkx9dJ77qxPcykSlDit1TPpOjC 9uzRDrwB0yfAqT3vbxv5k9/WlLcPViKPa5T0WLHWaeO5Skp0zu7HfxXuVf79zyyG5MIA h1+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOzjcR/9OKdiav3kIoq68l/9ttTBz0w3RIEBZ5yP0qYPYHWPFs2k pQygoDYzSItQJQDkOeKWKg== X-Received: by 10.28.232.10 with SMTP id f10mr7544668wmh.43.1498470946211; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 02:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:660:330f:a4:e97b:db53:6fd1:afae? ([2001:660:330f:a4:e97b:db53:6fd1:afae]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z101sm21828685wrb.41.2017.06.26.02.55.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Jun 2017 02:55:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Luigi Iannone Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BA5F76F4-DAFB-4F05-A142-F7B29E746726" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:56:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: <149826282752.7840.4633534089065218719.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Cc: lisp-chairs@ietf.org, DEBORAH A BRUNGARD To: LISP mailing list list References: <149826282752.7840.4633534089065218719.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] lisp - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:55:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BA5F76F4-DAFB-4F05-A142-F7B29E746726 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi All, We have a time slot during the next IETF in the lovely city of Prague, = so it is time to fix the agenda for our WG. The LISP WG is scheduled to meet on Monday, July 17th, 2017, from 13:30 = to 15:30 (2 hours)=20 Please send your requests for agenda items (Presenter=E2=80=99s name, = ppt title, slot duration)=20 to lisp-chairs@tools.ietf.org by = Tuesday 4th July, 2017. If you are in US please do it before the celebrating the independence = day enjoying the fireworks ;-)=20 Thanks See you in Prague Joel & Luigi > On 24 Jun 2017, at 02:07, IETF Secretariat wrote: >=20 > Dear Luigi Iannone, >=20 > The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. > Below is the scheduled session information followed by > the original request.=20 >=20 > lisp Session 1 (2:00:00) > Monday, Afternoon Session I 1330-1530 > Room Name: Berlin/Brussels size: 100 > --------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 >=20 > Request Information: >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > Working Group Name: Locator/ID Separation Protocol > Area Name: Routing Area > Session Requester: Luigi Iannone >=20 > Number of Sessions: 1 > Length of Session(s): 2 Hours > Number of Attendees: 50 > Conflicts to Avoid:=20 > First Priority: rtgwg nvo3 i2rs sidr grow sfc nfvrg pim intarea ospf > Second Priority: mboned icnrg irtfopen idr spring bier maprg > Third Priority: l2tpext bess >=20 >=20 > People who must be present: > Joel M. Halpern > Wassim Haddad > Deborah Brungard > Luigi Iannone > Padma Pillay-Esnault >=20 > Resources Requested: >=20 > Special Requests: >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- >=20 --Apple-Mail=_BA5F76F4-DAFB-4F05-A142-F7B29E746726 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi All,

We have = a time slot during the next IETF in the lovely city of Prague, so it is = time to fix the agenda for our WG.
The LISP WG =  is scheduled to meet on Monday, July 17th, 2017, from 13:30 to = 15:30 (2 hours) 

Please send = your requests for agenda items (Presenter=E2=80=99s name, ppt title, = slot duration) 
to lisp-chairs@tools.ietf.org by Tuesday 4th July, = 2017.
If you are in US please do it before the = celebrating the independence day enjoying the fireworks ;-) 

Thanks
See you in Prague


Joel & = Luigi


On 24 Jun 2017, at 02:07, IETF Secretariat <agenda@ietf.org> = wrote:

Dear Luigi Iannone,

The = session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
Below is the scheduled session information followed by
the original request.

lisp = Session 1 (2:00:00)
   Monday, Afternoon = Session I 1330-1530
   Room Name: = Berlin/Brussels size: 100
=    ---------------------------------------------



Request = Information:


---------------------------------------------------------
Working Group Name: Locator/ID Separation Protocol
Area Name: Routing Area
Session Requester: = Luigi Iannone

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  2 Hours
Number of = Attendees: 50
Conflicts to Avoid:
First = Priority: rtgwg nvo3 i2rs sidr grow sfc nfvrg pim intarea ospf
Second Priority: mboned icnrg irtfopen idr spring bier = maprg
Third Priority: l2tpext bess


People who must be present:
=  Joel M. Halpern
 Wassim Haddad
=  Deborah Brungard
 Luigi Iannone
=  Padma Pillay-Esnault

Resources = Requested:

Special Requests:

---------------------------------------------------------


= --Apple-Mail=_BA5F76F4-DAFB-4F05-A142-F7B29E746726-- From nobody Wed Jun 28 08:02:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietf.org Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC9C129B9A; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:02:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149866212756.7551.10673847292490605142.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:02:07 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] The LISP WG has placed draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 15:02:08 -0000 The LISP WG has placed draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Luigi Iannone) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding/ From nobody Wed Jun 28 08:03:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietf.org Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E84129B9A; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:03:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149866219798.7703.10055141894673939190.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:03:17 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] The LISP WG has placed draft-farinacci-lisp-geo in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 15:03:18 -0000 The LISP WG has placed draft-farinacci-lisp-geo in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Luigi Iannone) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-geo/ From nobody Wed Jun 28 08:03:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768CB129C04 for ; 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([2a01:e35:1381:3430:213a:57cf:d49d:a9c7]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 2sm1723925wrn.24.2017.06.28.08.03.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Luigi Iannone Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FC4083F9-A187-4570-A17D-557A787437E3" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:03:25 +0200 Cc: lisp-chairs@ietf.org To: LISP mailing list list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] Call for WG Adoption of document draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-03.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 15:03:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FC4083F9-A187-4570-A17D-557A787437E3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi All, Authors of the document draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-03.txt [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-geo/ = ] asked for WG adoption. This message begins the two weeks call for WG adoption.=20 The call ends on July 13th 2017. Please respond to the LISP mailing list with any statements of approval = or disapproval. Recall that: - This is not WG Last Call. The document is not final, and the WG is = expected to=20 modify the document=E2=80=99s content until there is WG consensus that = the content is solid. =20 Therefore, please don=E2=80=99t oppose adoption just because you want = to see changes to its content. - If you have objections to adoption of the document, please state your = reasons why,=20 and explain what it would take to address your concerns. - If you have issues with the content, by all means raise those issues = and we can=20 begin a dialog about how best to address them. =20 = =20 Luigi and Joel= --Apple-Mail=_FC4083F9-A187-4570-A17D-557A787437E3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi All,

Authors = of the document draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-03.txt
[https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-geo/]=
asked for WG adoption.

This message begins the two weeks call for WG = adoption. 
The call ends on  July 13th 2017.

Please respond to the LISP mailing list with = any statements of approval or disapproval.

Recall that:

- This is not WG Last Call. The document is not final, and = the WG is expected to 
  modify the = document=E2=80=99s content until there is WG consensus that the = content is solid.  
  Therefore, = please don=E2=80=99t oppose adoption just because you want to see = changes to its content.

- If you have objections to adoption of the document, please = state your reasons why, 
  and explain = what it would take to address your concerns.

- If you have issues with the content, = by all means raise those issues and we can 
  begin a dialog about how best to address them.
                =       
      =                     =                     =                     =                     =                 =   
Luigi and Joel
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Hi All,

Authors = of the document draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding-03.txt
[https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-name-enco= ding/]
asked for WG adoption.

This message begins the two weeks call for WG = adoption. 
The call ends on  July 13th 2017.

Please respond to the LISP mailing list with = any statements of approval or disapproval.

Recall that:

- This is not WG Last Call. The document is not final, and = the WG is expected to 
  modify the = document=E2=80=99s content until there is WG consensus that the = content is solid.  
  Therefore, = please don=E2=80=99t oppose adoption just because you want to see = changes to its content.

- If you have objections to adoption of the document, please = state your reasons why, 
  and explain = what it would take to address your concerns.

- If you have issues with the content, = by all means raise those issues and we can 
  begin a dialog about how best to address them.
                =       
      =                     =                     =                     =                     =                 =   
Luigi and Joel
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[173.11.119.245]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d185sm4483592pgc.39.2017.06.28.09.13.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Dino Farinacci In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:51 -0700 Cc: LISP mailing list list , lisp-chairs@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Luigi Iannone X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] Call for WG Adoption of document draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-03.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:13:56 -0000 Support WG adoption. Dino > On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:03 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: >=20 > Hi All, >=20 > Authors of the document draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-03.txt > [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-geo/] > asked for WG adoption. >=20 > This message begins the two weeks call for WG adoption.=20 > The call ends on July 13th 2017. >=20 > Please respond to the LISP mailing list with any statements of = approval or disapproval. >=20 > Recall that: >=20 > - This is not WG Last Call. The document is not final, and the WG is = expected to=20 > modify the document=E2=80=99s content until there is WG consensus = that the content is solid. =20 > Therefore, please don=E2=80=99t oppose adoption just because you = want to see changes to its content. >=20 > - If you have objections to adoption of the document, please state = your reasons why,=20 > and explain what it would take to address your concerns. >=20 > - If you have issues with the content, by all means raise those issues = and we can=20 > begin a dialog about how best to address them. > =20 > = =20 > Luigi and Joel > _______________________________________________ > lisp mailing list > lisp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp From nobody Wed Jun 28 09:14:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02539127077; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:14:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GKK9xYeKcp10; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x244.google.com (mail-pf0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17A25129B41; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x244.google.com with SMTP id s66so9609080pfs.2; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:14:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=6Tvqtk0u0qFYlgDokvsb4uWZI4B83uxS+yFMyI5Azbg=; b=LyHKM0sjp5NoPu5+c+nE5DH7IcbcMnWyXCMKQ8qlatS9kF8BNzXZLSbTuwzZ6TjRiW J7as9RyPg5T2xEZ82dLvFlObHic6+xTqIduzspT/38AR/lKj95uHh5RxzHQYv6pI+bCB gzWOJHKcg9JAaPU9Q7hoKSd1t9Q6LnJGjmOPZLxCRMxSaY/v4E94n+4EiOugpC6RG1n9 UPZQHO1wH59fnnyt7BE74jJ8kLXQLei0IM/L1qZkWHd5TGFZeH9OVS/SMx0o2VzC5YJC fcveJmdqYChVBHb2E0RVRxy3LF752aP7w/HzlFJXDlcLGJrhxooCOzglrrywymaTnknP wc4Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=6Tvqtk0u0qFYlgDokvsb4uWZI4B83uxS+yFMyI5Azbg=; b=rHl+6ImpF/Rs+7KkRIOS7UdYLUYpylG88uN8tQxnXP5he1nIZ9Dx1vFuc1Eng32KIY b/dLB+SGuBSs1KqLt63OZGPGFbqBY7stGEMsfPZaUzmUcGLdT+A4ZMsPwXrzMQHErwnD l9SdJGatrlvwVTB0TM8aSX7ru8G2YwlGGeGsKUDeMtni9ZKNPMciDLzKoI/FA3zv0M1f 0PLFvKU3lL+tQ4YhA6fvuyGVMLGmc/RC6OYCoqO6aeBAeqFkhzHlkx3sf9R7I0h32/nP BemDXGOIlhun2GZuvy+tUf27W9LkBGra7WiZ/Cuh0sIMRE4as5Ju75JLUi9he0RxWdrm +epQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOybi39yf/dvrSwEEiLaD8+iRakBXZnEcb0WFBUFaGLuk4MvJGLh Lj8wRnubhqLyl8mR1ZM= X-Received: by 10.84.231.196 with SMTP id g4mr12501610pln.264.1498666451727; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.197.31.157] (173-11-119-245-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. 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Dino > On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:03 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: >=20 > Hi All, >=20 > Authors of the document draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding-03.txt > [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding/] > asked for WG adoption. >=20 > This message begins the two weeks call for WG adoption.=20 > The call ends on July 13th 2017. >=20 > Please respond to the LISP mailing list with any statements of = approval or disapproval. >=20 > Recall that: >=20 > - This is not WG Last Call. The document is not final, and the WG is = expected to=20 > modify the document=E2=80=99s content until there is WG consensus = that the content is solid. =20 > Therefore, please don=E2=80=99t oppose adoption just because you = want to see changes to its content. >=20 > - If you have objections to adoption of the document, please state = your reasons why,=20 > and explain what it would take to address your concerns. >=20 > - If you have issues with the content, by all means raise those issues = and we can=20 > begin a dialog about how best to address them. > =20 > = =20 > Luigi and Joel > _______________________________________________ > lisp mailing list > lisp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp From nobody Wed Jun 28 09:30:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECDB12EA5A; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:30:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gcXmYDAu_oUk; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x233.google.com (mail-io0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD59F127077; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x233.google.com with SMTP id h134so38863047iof.2; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:30:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=cZrb7ONrmNDIg3sBDLoB1FN9qJc+aJrCP1b/tkS/2Ck=; b=eY8e37q87J1Tk8V3v7JE2aZ+xTDOYNhvx12CX1SJgCp0nIJVemLYmctCgPZ2nXMCmc P6AloXpaCKK40+oMEbjkQqSaNH8J+HG7Pq2SMfOsi6tn232IdxPWnViQzAgSqxoBAeIP BsQhkBKr7XbNE9zJcRTEVlebSyVihMXZVDIfYmeV8pbGFxBJWjuM5I8BTO7MfNrTYqZR x7eUGhLwM0hm48AXM2VRWqS8cdRTxJXkYUPmQjGis+f2VXP6+fIOrQbv2XscMGACD173 vNzVjigtk3QgDJH7pAfF3FGf5rE+dTCUbBk3FSlT9HyDAZBPBrdp3M0sDtVkBpATjjWS 2T2w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cZrb7ONrmNDIg3sBDLoB1FN9qJc+aJrCP1b/tkS/2Ck=; b=L4u456hHiBTiRzBpfxW7x8Q0Zog97EXoI+KUKBOfrhflMgPElqsXcd1ViMr4JHYqpy 2/hWURpJvsJ9jTJfRGUtK1yaqq8v5y7VKYT9Fsglw21FldhMv5mzGm9Fu8ZV2Bv/fmFZ ZKz65DUuJ7Fxb43Yd/lc4JY+gxfV1fcpO9kqPPW2GFSUfsJylWBuOP5+/Z6cqHKLJRFE oTLonp3YmScxtBzDQWqPYkKlSdV4Co7iTCb0W2yiEmeKQZey2JtWd0qvef10uI4jteU4 kOMZNoa+C9wlz8Q5fyGc7TPAkV8NSTGYtuqTt1Zpn0V3jKWns2SWN845QSTrXQbAR/1R PIUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOy66DazHuQO9MEW0drU6CYh+i+H2StC61P8K1m60cRoRPzoUKoS YDt+ioDbqdzIsyYOm/l35iL6WPqtVA== X-Received: by 10.107.128.30 with SMTP id b30mr52983iod.179.1498667400960; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.79.32.15 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Robert Raszuk Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 18:30:00 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: S3CfgRzgywYvyTN7MwlrP-PxqfU Message-ID: To: Luigi Iannone Cc: LISP mailing list list , lisp-chairs@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113f8b12122478055307b23e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] Call for WG Adoption of document draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-03.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:30:15 -0000 --001a113f8b12122478055307b23e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. Thx, R. On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > Hi All, > > Authors of the document draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-03.txt > [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-geo/] > asked for WG adoption. > > This message begins the two weeks call for WG adoption. > The call ends on July 13th 2017. > > Please respond to the LISP mailing list with any statements of approval o= r > disapproval. > > Recall that: > > - This is not WG Last Call. The document is not final, and the WG is > expected to > modify the document=E2=80=99s content until there is WG consensus that = the > content is solid. > Therefore, please don=E2=80=99t oppose adoption just because you want t= o see > changes to its content. > > - If you have objections to adoption of the document, please state your > reasons why, > and explain what it would take to address your concerns. > > - If you have issues with the content, by all means raise those issues an= d > we can > begin a dialog about how best to address them. > > > > Luigi and Joel > > _______________________________________________ > lisp mailing list > lisp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp > > --001a113f8b12122478055307b23e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support.

Thx,
R.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:= 03 PM, Luigi Iannone <ggx@gigix.net> wrote:
Hi All,

Autho= rs of the document=C2=A0draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-03.txt
asked for WG adoption.

This message begins the two w= eeks call for WG adoption.=C2=A0
The call ends on =C2=A0July 13th 2017.<= br>
Please respond to the LISP mailing list with any statements of appro= val or disapproval.

Recall that:

- This is not WG = Last Call. The document is not final, and the WG is expected to=C2=A0
=
=C2=A0 modify the document=E2=80=99s content until there is WG consens= us that the content=C2=A0is solid. =C2=A0
=C2=A0 Therefore, pleas= e don=E2=80=99t oppose adoption just because you want to see changes to its= content.

- If you have objections to adoption of the doc= ument, please state your reasons why,=C2=A0
=C2=A0 and explain wh= at it would take to address your concerns.

- If you have = issues with the content, by all means raise those issues and we can=C2=A0
=C2=A0 begin a dialog about how best to address them.
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=
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Luigi and Joel

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Thx, R. On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > Hi All, > > Authors of the document draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding-03.txt > [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding/] > asked for WG adoption. > > This message begins the two weeks call for WG adoption. > The call ends on July 13th 2017. > > Please respond to the LISP mailing list with any statements of approval o= r > disapproval. > > Recall that: > > - This is not WG Last Call. The document is not final, and the WG is > expected to > modify the document=E2=80=99s content until there is WG consensus that = the > content is solid. > Therefore, please don=E2=80=99t oppose adoption just because you want t= o see > changes to its content. > > - If you have objections to adoption of the document, please state your > reasons why, > and explain what it would take to address your concerns. > > - If you have issues with the content, by all means raise those issues an= d > we can > begin a dialog about how best to address them. > > > > Luigi and Joel > > _______________________________________________ > lisp mailing list > lisp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp > > --94eb2c05c046956a9f055307b540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support.

Thx,
R.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:= 03 PM, Luigi Iannone <ggx@gigix.net> wrote:
Hi All,

Autho= rs of the document=C2=A0draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding-03.txt
asked for WG adoption.
This message begins the two weeks call for WG adoption.=C2=A0
The c= all ends on =C2=A0July 13th 2017.

Please respond to the LISP mailing= list with any statements of approval or disapproval.

Recall that:
- This is not WG Last Call. The document is not final, and= the WG is expected to=C2=A0
=C2=A0 modify the document=E2=80=99s= content until there is WG consensus that the content=C2=A0is solid. =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Therefore, please don=E2=80=99t oppose adoption just beca= use you want to see changes to its content.

- If you have= objections to adoption of the document, please state your reasons why,=C2= =A0
=C2=A0 and explain what it would take to address your concern= s.

- If you have issues with the content, by all means ra= ise those issues and we can=C2=A0
=C2=A0 begin a dialog about how= best to address them.
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Luigi and Joel
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boundary="_000_D57A70162BD8EBrrahmanciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] Call for WG Adoption of document draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-03.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 12:52:13 -0000 --_000_D57A70162BD8EBrrahmanciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support adoption. Regards, Reshad. From: lisp > on behalf = of Luigi Iannone > Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 8:03 AM To: LISP mailing list list > Cc: "lisp-chairs@ietf.org" > Subject: [lisp] Call for WG Adoption of document draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-0= 3.txt Hi All, Authors of the document draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-03.txt [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-geo/] asked for WG adoption. This message begins the two weeks call for WG adoption. The call ends on July 13th 2017. Please respond to the LISP mailing list with any statements of approval or = disapproval. Recall that: - This is not WG Last Call. The document is not final, and the WG is expect= ed to modify the document's content until there is WG consensus that the conten= t is solid. Therefore, please don't oppose adoption just because you want to see chan= ges to its content. - If you have objections to adoption of the document, please state your rea= sons why, and explain what it would take to address your concerns. - If you have issues with the content, by all means raise those issues and = we can begin a dialog about how best to address them. Luigi and Joel --_000_D57A70162BD8EBrrahmanciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support adoption.

Regards,
Reshad.


From: lisp <lisp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Luigi Ianno= ne <ggx@gigix.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 8= :03 AM
To: LISP mailing list list <lisp@ietf.org>
Cc: "lisp-chairs@ietf.org" <lisp-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: [lisp] Call for WG Adoptio= n of document draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-03.txt

Hi All,

Authors of the document draft-farinacci-lisp-geo-03.txt
[https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-li= sp-geo/]
asked for WG adoption.

This message begins the two weeks call for WG adoption. 
The call ends on  July 13th 2017.

Please respond to the LISP mailing list with any statements of approval or = disapproval.

Recall that:

- This is not WG Last Call. The document is not final, and = the WG is expected to 
  modify the document’s content until there is W= G consensus that the content is solid.  
  Therefore, please don’t oppose adoption just b= ecause you want to see changes to its content.

- If you have objections to adoption of the document, pleas= e state your reasons why, 
  and explain what it would take to address your conce= rns.

- If you have issues with the content, by all means raise t= hose issues and we can 
  begin a dialog about how best to address them.
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Luigi and Joel
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