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([2a01:e0a:1ec:470:f558:8219:aec6:20d1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i74sm2306617wri.49.2020.06.02.00.11.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Jun 2020 00:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Luigi Iannone In-Reply-To: <0E828956-16D3-43CA-9341-8833FC9B8A8E@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 09:11:40 +0200 Cc: "lisp@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-lisp-gpe@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <159099007522.25563.11308110319037900150@ietfa.amsl.com> <2930E31B-6388-46F6-A366-FC8B71721AED@gigix.net> <0E828956-16D3-43CA-9341-8833FC9B8A8E@cisco.com> To: "Fabio Maino (fmaino)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2020 07:11:51 -0000 > On 1 Jun 2020, at 07:53, Fabio Maino (fmaino) = wrote: >=20 > Ciao Luigi,=20 > The reason is to allow to experiment with shim headers and non-shim = headers at the same time. As you may remember shim headers have a more = fixed encodng and must be located before non-shim headers. That is OK for me.=20 But my question is why this: > 0x7E to 0x7F: Experimentation and testing=09 > 0x80 to 0xFD: Unassigned (shim headers)=09 > 0xFE to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing Instead of this (range has been adapted): 0x7E to 0xFB: Unassigned (shim headers)=09 0xFC to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing ?? Certainly I am missing something ;-) Ciao L. >=20 > Thanks, > Fabio >=20 >=20 >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 5/31/20, 10:47 PM, "Luigi Iannone" wrote: >=20 > Thank you for updating the document. >=20 > I have a quick question. >=20 > Looking at the next protocol values we now see: >=20 > 0x7E to 0x7F: Experimentation and testing=09 > 0x80 to 0xFD: Unassigned (shim headers)=09 > 0xFE to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing >=20 > Can you provide a rationale why not having just one bigger = experimentation and testing range instead of two with an unassigned = range in the middle? >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Ciao >=20 > L. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 1 Jun 2020, at 07:41, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG of = the IETF. >>=20 >> Title : LISP Generic Protocol Extension >> Authors : Fabio Maino >> Jennifer Lemon >> Puneet Agarwal >> Darrel Lewis >> Michael Smith >> Filename : draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt >> Pages : 15 >> Date : 2020-05-31 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> This document describes extentions to the Locator/ID Separation >> Protocol (LISP) Data-Plane, via changes to the LISP header, to >> support multi-protocol encapsulation. >>=20 >>=20 >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe/ >>=20 >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15 >>=20 >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>=20 >>=20 >> 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([2a01:e0a:1ec:470:f558:8219:aec6:20d1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w3sm1265058wmg.44.2020.06.02.22.38.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Jun 2020 22:38:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Luigi Iannone Message-Id: <218065E1-2106-407A-BDFC-3DEE85049094@gigix.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AA710175-4897-402A-B680-5A5168FB0E39" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 07:38:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: "lisp@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-lisp-gpe@ietf.org" To: "Fabio Maino (fmaino)" References: <159099007522.25563.11308110319037900150@ietfa.amsl.com> <2930E31B-6388-46F6-A366-FC8B71721AED@gigix.net> <0E828956-16D3-43CA-9341-8833FC9B8A8E@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 05:39:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AA710175-4897-402A-B680-5A5168FB0E39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Fabio, thanks for the clarification. I think that I finally got it: 0x7E to 0x7F is for just experimentation. 0xFE to 0xFF is for shim headers experimentation=20 My confusion came from the fact that is not clearly stated. Can we modify the text as: 0x7E to 0x7F: Experimentation and testing=09 0x80 to 0xFD: Unassigned (shim headers)=09 0xFE to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing (shim headers) So that the difference is clearly stated. Ciao L. > On 2 Jun 2020, at 19:34, Fabio Maino (fmaino) = wrote: >=20 > Ciso Luigi, please see below... >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 6/2/20, 12:11 AM, "Luigi Iannone" > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 1 Jun 2020, at 07:53, Fabio Maino (fmaino) = wrote: >>=20 >> Ciao Luigi,=20 >> The reason is to allow to experiment with shim headers and non-shim = headers at the same time. As you may remember shim headers have a more = fixed encodng and must be located before non-shim headers. >=20 > That is OK for me.=20 >=20 > But my question is why this: >=20 >> 0x7E to 0x7F: Experimentation and testing=09 >=20 > FM> The two above are for experimentation of NON shim headers >=20 >> 0x80 to 0xFD: Unassigned (shim headers)=09 >> 0xFE to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing >=20 >> FM These two are for experimentation of shim headers.=20 >=20 > Shim headers are placed (and processed) first, so we want to give the = freedom to experiment with both.=20 >=20 > For example, one would want to experiment with a shim header = (identified by 0xFE) that carries some special metadata for IPv4 = payloads, while someone else would want to experiment with IPv8 payloads = (identified with 0x7E). A third person might want to experiment, at the = same time, with a shim header that carries special metadata for IPv8.=20 >=20 > Fabio >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Instead of this (range has been adapted): >=20 > 0x7E to 0xFB: Unassigned (shim headers)=09 > 0xFC to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing >=20 > ?? >=20 > Certainly I am missing something ;-) >=20 > Ciao >=20 > L. >=20 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Fabio >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 5/31/20, 10:47 PM, "Luigi Iannone" wrote: >>=20 >> Thank you for updating the document. >>=20 >> I have a quick question. >>=20 >> Looking at the next protocol values we now see: >>=20 >> 0x7E to 0x7F: Experimentation and testing=09 >> 0x80 to 0xFD: Unassigned (shim headers)=09 >> 0xFE to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing >>=20 >> Can you provide a rationale why not having just one bigger = experimentation and testing range instead of two with an unassigned = range in the middle? >>=20 >> Thanks >>=20 >> Ciao >>=20 >> L. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 1 Jun 2020, at 07:41, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG = of the IETF. >>>=20 >>> Title : LISP Generic Protocol Extension >>> Authors : Fabio Maino >>> Jennifer Lemon >>> Puneet Agarwal >>> Darrel Lewis >>> Michael Smith >>> Filename : draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt >>> Pages : 15 >>> Date : 2020-05-31 >>>=20 >>> Abstract: >>> This document describes extentions to the Locator/ID Separation >>> Protocol (LISP) Data-Plane, via changes to the LISP header, to >>> support multi-protocol encapsulation. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe/ >>>=20 >>> There are also htmlized versions available at: >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15 >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15 >>>=20 >>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>>=20 >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lisp mailing list >>> lisp@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp --Apple-Mail=_AA710175-4897-402A-B680-5A5168FB0E39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Fabio,

thanks for = the clarification. I think that I finally got it:
0x7E to 0x7F is for just = experimentation.

 0xFE to 0xFF is for shim headers = experimentation 

My confusion came from the fact that is not clearly = stated.

Can we = modify the text as:

0x7E to 0x7F:  Experimentation and testing
0x80 to 0xFD:  Unassigned (shim headers)
0xFE to 0xFF:  Experimentation and testing (shim = headers)

So = that the difference  is clearly stated.

Ciao

L.



On 2 Jun = 2020, at 19:34, Fabio Maino (fmaino) <fmaino@cisco.com> = wrote:

Ciso Luigi, please see = below...

=EF=BB=BFOn = 6/2/20, 12:11 AM, "Luigi Iannone" <ggx@gigix.net> wrote:



On 1 = Jun 2020, at 07:53, Fabio Maino (fmaino) <fmaino@cisco.com> = wrote:

Ciao Luigi, 
The reason = is to allow to experiment with shim headers and non-shim headers at the = same time. As you may remember shim headers have a more fixed encodng = and must be located before non-shim headers.

   That is OK for me. 

   But my = question is why this:

0x7E to 0x7F:  Experimentation = and testing =

FM> The two above are for experimentation of NON shim = headers

   0x80 to 0xFD:  Unassigned (shim = headers) =
   0xFE to 0xFF: =  Experimentation and testing

FM = These two are for experimentation of shim headers. 

Shim headers are placed (and processed) first, so we want to = give the freedom to experiment with both. 

For example, one would want to = experiment with a shim header (identified by 0xFE) that carries some = special metadata for IPv4 payloads, while someone else would want to = experiment with IPv8 payloads (identified with 0x7E). A third person = might want to experiment, at the same time, with a shim header that = carries special metadata for IPv8. 

Fabio






   Instead of = this (range has been adapted):

   0x7E to 0xFB:  Unassigned (shim = headers)
   0xFC to 0xFF:  Experimentation and = testing

   ??

   Certainly I am missing something = ;-)

   Ciao

   L.




Thanks,
Fabio



On 5/31/20, 10:47 PM, "Luigi Iannone" <ggx@gigix.net> wrote:

  Thank you for updating the = document.

  I have a quick = question.

  Looking at the next = protocol values we now see:

   0x7E to 0x7F:  Experimentation and = testing =
   0x80 to 0xFD:  Unassigned = (shim headers)
   0xFE to 0xFF: =  Experimentation and testing

  Can you provide a rationale why not having just = one bigger experimentation and testing range instead of two with an = unassigned range in the middle?

  Thanks

  Ciao

  L.


On 1 Jun 2020, at 07:41, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:


A New Internet-Draft is available from the = on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work = item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG of the IETF.

     Title =           : LISP = Generic Protocol Extension
     Authors =         : Fabio Maino
          &nb= sp;            = ;Jennifer Lemon
          &nb= sp;            = ;Puneet Agarwal
          &nb= sp;            = ;Darrel Lewis
          &nb= sp;            = ;Michael Smith
Filename =        : = draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt
Pages =           : 15
= Date =            : = 2020-05-31

Abstract:
This = document describes extentions to the Locator/ID Separation
Protocol (LISP) Data-Plane, via changes to the LISP header, = to
support multi-protocol encapsulation.


The IETF datatracker status page for this = draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe/

There are also htmlized versions available = at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15
A diff from the previous version is available = at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15


Please note that it may take a = couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the = htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by = anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/


_______________________________________________
lisp mailing list
lisp@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp

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([2a01:e0a:1ec:470:c150:68bd:f9ea:5cac]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v19sm1260824wml.26.2020.06.02.22.44.51 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Jun 2020 22:44:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Luigi Iannone Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_22790DBE-C520-4F93-86E0-FF704A48D576" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 07:44:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: <218065E1-2106-407A-BDFC-3DEE85049094@gigix.net> Cc: "lisp@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-lisp-gpe@ietf.org" To: "Fabio Maino (fmaino)" References: <159099007522.25563.11308110319037900150@ietfa.amsl.com> <2930E31B-6388-46F6-A366-FC8B71721AED@gigix.net> <0E828956-16D3-43CA-9341-8833FC9B8A8E@cisco.com> <218065E1-2106-407A-BDFC-3DEE85049094@gigix.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 05:44:57 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_22790DBE-C520-4F93-86E0-FF704A48D576 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello again, if you agree to change the text as for may previous email table in = section 6 IANA Considerations must be updated as well. Ciao L. =20 > On 3 Jun 2020, at 07:38, Luigi Iannone wrote: >=20 > Hi Fabio, >=20 > thanks for the clarification. I think that I finally got it: >=20 > 0x7E to 0x7F is for just experimentation. >=20 > 0xFE to 0xFF is for shim headers experimentation=20 >=20 > My confusion came from the fact that is not clearly stated. >=20 > Can we modify the text as: >=20 > 0x7E to 0x7F: Experimentation and testing=09 > 0x80 to 0xFD: Unassigned (shim headers)=09 > 0xFE to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing (shim headers) >=20 > So that the difference is clearly stated. >=20 > Ciao >=20 > L. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 2 Jun 2020, at 19:34, Fabio Maino (fmaino) > wrote: >>=20 >> Ciso Luigi, please see below... >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFOn 6/2/20, 12:11 AM, "Luigi Iannone" > wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 1 Jun 2020, at 07:53, Fabio Maino (fmaino) > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Ciao Luigi,=20 >>> The reason is to allow to experiment with shim headers and non-shim = headers at the same time. As you may remember shim headers have a more = fixed encodng and must be located before non-shim headers. >>=20 >> That is OK for me.=20 >>=20 >> But my question is why this: >>=20 >>> 0x7E to 0x7F: Experimentation and testing=09 >>=20 >> FM> The two above are for experimentation of NON shim headers >>=20 >>> 0x80 to 0xFD: Unassigned (shim headers)=09 >>> 0xFE to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing >>=20 >>> FM These two are for experimentation of shim headers.=20 >>=20 >> Shim headers are placed (and processed) first, so we want to give the = freedom to experiment with both.=20 >>=20 >> For example, one would want to experiment with a shim header = (identified by 0xFE) that carries some special metadata for IPv4 = payloads, while someone else would want to experiment with IPv8 payloads = (identified with 0x7E). A third person might want to experiment, at the = same time, with a shim header that carries special metadata for IPv8.=20 >>=20 >> Fabio >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Instead of this (range has been adapted): >>=20 >> 0x7E to 0xFB: Unassigned (shim headers)=09 >> 0xFC to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing >>=20 >> ?? >>=20 >> Certainly I am missing something ;-) >>=20 >> Ciao >>=20 >> L. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Fabio >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 5/31/20, 10:47 PM, "Luigi Iannone" > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Thank you for updating the document. >>>=20 >>> I have a quick question. >>>=20 >>> Looking at the next protocol values we now see: >>>=20 >>> 0x7E to 0x7F: Experimentation and testing=09 >>> 0x80 to 0xFD: Unassigned (shim headers)=09 >>> 0xFE to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing >>>=20 >>> Can you provide a rationale why not having just one bigger = experimentation and testing range instead of two with an unassigned = range in the middle? >>>=20 >>> Thanks >>>=20 >>> Ciao >>>=20 >>> L. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On 1 Jun 2020, at 07:41, internet-drafts@ietf.org = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >>>> This draft is a work item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG = of the IETF. >>>>=20 >>>> Title : LISP Generic Protocol Extension >>>> Authors : Fabio Maino >>>> Jennifer Lemon >>>> Puneet Agarwal >>>> Darrel Lewis >>>> Michael Smith >>>> Filename : draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt >>>> Pages : 15 >>>> Date : 2020-05-31 >>>>=20 >>>> Abstract: >>>> This document describes extentions to the Locator/ID Separation >>>> Protocol (LISP) Data-Plane, via changes to the LISP header, to >>>> support multi-protocol encapsulation. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe/ = >>>>=20 >>>> There are also htmlized versions available at: >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15 >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15 >>>>=20 >>>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >>>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. >>>>=20 >>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> lisp mailing list >>>> lisp@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp >=20 --Apple-Mail=_22790DBE-C520-4F93-86E0-FF704A48D576 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hello again,

if you agree to change the text as for may previous email = table in section 6 IANA Considerations must be updated as = well.

Ciao

L.




 

On 3 Jun 2020, at 07:38, Luigi = Iannone <ggx@gigix.net> wrote:

Hi Fabio,

thanks for the = clarification. I think that I finally got it:

0x7E to 0x7F is for just = experimentation.

 0xFE to 0xFF is for shim headers = experimentation 

My confusion came from the fact that is not clearly = stated.

Can we = modify the text as:

0x7E to 0x7F:  Experimentation and testing
0x80 to 0xFD:  Unassigned (shim headers)
0xFE to 0xFF:  Experimentation and testing (shim = headers)

So = that the difference  is clearly stated.

Ciao

L.



On 2 Jun = 2020, at 19:34, Fabio Maino (fmaino) <fmaino@cisco.com> = wrote:

Ciso Luigi, please see = below...

=EF=BB=BFOn = 6/2/20, 12:11 AM, "Luigi Iannone" <ggx@gigix.net> wrote:



On 1 = Jun 2020, at 07:53, Fabio Maino (fmaino) <fmaino@cisco.com> = wrote:

Ciao Luigi, 
The reason = is to allow to experiment with shim headers and non-shim headers at the = same time. As you may remember shim headers have a more fixed encodng = and must be located before non-shim headers.

   That is OK for me. 

   But my = question is why this:

0x7E to 0x7F:  Experimentation = and testing =

FM> The two above are for experimentation of NON shim = headers

   0x80 to 0xFD:  Unassigned (shim = headers) =
   0xFE to 0xFF: =  Experimentation and testing

FM = These two are for experimentation of shim headers. 

Shim headers are placed (and processed) first, so we want to = give the freedom to experiment with both. 

For example, one would want to = experiment with a shim header (identified by 0xFE) that carries some = special metadata for IPv4 payloads, while someone else would want to = experiment with IPv8 payloads (identified with 0x7E). A third person = might want to experiment, at the same time, with a shim header that = carries special metadata for IPv8. 

Fabio






   Instead of = this (range has been adapted):

   0x7E to 0xFB:  Unassigned (shim = headers)
   0xFC to 0xFF:  Experimentation and = testing

   ??

   Certainly I am missing something = ;-)

   Ciao

   L.




Thanks,
Fabio



On 5/31/20, 10:47 PM, "Luigi Iannone" <ggx@gigix.net> wrote:

  Thank you for updating the = document.

  I have a quick = question.

  Looking at the next = protocol values we now see:

   0x7E to 0x7F:  Experimentation and = testing =
   0x80 to 0xFD:  Unassigned = (shim headers)
   0xFE to 0xFF: =  Experimentation and testing

  Can you provide a rationale why not having just = one bigger experimentation and testing range instead of two with an = unassigned range in the middle?

  Thanks

  Ciao

  L.


On 1 Jun 2020, at 07:41, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:


A New Internet-Draft is available from the = on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work = item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG of the IETF.

     Title =           : LISP = Generic Protocol Extension
     Authors =         : Fabio Maino
          &nb= sp;            = ;Jennifer Lemon
          &nb= sp;            = ;Puneet Agarwal
          &nb= sp;            = ;Darrel Lewis
          &nb= sp;            = ;Michael Smith
Filename =        : = draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt
Pages =           : 15
= Date =            : = 2020-05-31

Abstract:
This = document describes extentions to the Locator/ID Separation
Protocol (LISP) Data-Plane, via changes to the LISP header, = to
support multi-protocol encapsulation.


The IETF datatracker status page for this = draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe/

There are also htmlized versions available = at:
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Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 16:58:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG of the IETF. Title : LISP Generic Protocol Extension Authors : Fabio Maino Jennifer Lemon Puneet Agarwal Darrel Lewis Michael Smith Filename : draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-16.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2020-06-03 Abstract: This document describes extensions to the Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) Data-Plane, via changes to the LISP header, to support multi-protocol encapsulation. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-16 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-16 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-16 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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([2a04:8ec0:0:124::1021]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d16sm3989751wmd.42.2020.06.03.11.35.47 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Jun 2020 11:35:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Luigi Iannone Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_56B012FE-20EB-44B4-BA04-93231ED715FD" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 20:35:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4A63368E-BFA8-48CA-8F73-51D11D63A1B1@cisco.com> Cc: "lisp@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-lisp-gpe@ietf.org" To: "Fabio Maino (fmaino)" References: <159099007522.25563.11308110319037900150@ietfa.amsl.com> <2930E31B-6388-46F6-A366-FC8B71721AED@gigix.net> <0E828956-16D3-43CA-9341-8833FC9B8A8E@cisco.com> <218065E1-2106-407A-BDFC-3DEE85049094@gigix.net> <542A34A4-64F5-4AA6-85C0-E1E46B30D470@cisco.com> <4A63368E-BFA8-48CA-8F73-51D11D63A1B1@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 18:35:57 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_56B012FE-20EB-44B4-BA04-93231ED715FD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Perfect :-) Thanks Fabio L. > On 3 Jun 2020, at 19:00, Fabio Maino (fmaino) = wrote: >=20 > Done! > =20 > Fabio > =20 > From: Fabio Maino > Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 9:43 AM > To: Luigi Iannone > Cc: "lisp@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-lisp-gpe@ietf.org" = > Subject: Re: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt > =20 > Sounds good Luigi.=20 > =20 > I=E2=80=99ll publish an updated version that reflects your suggestions = later today. > =20 > Fabio > =20 > From: Luigi Iannone > Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 10:45 PM > To: Fabio Maino > Cc: "lisp@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-lisp-gpe@ietf.org" = > Subject: Re: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt > Resent-From: > Resent-To: Fabio Maino , = , , Darrel Lewis = , > Resent-Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 10:44 PM > =20 > Hello again, > =20 > if you agree to change the text as for may previous email table in = section 6 IANA Considerations must be updated as well. > =20 > Ciao > =20 > L. > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 3 Jun 2020, at 07:38, Luigi Iannone > wrote: >> =20 >> Hi Fabio, >> =20 >> thanks for the clarification. I think that I finally got it: >> =20 >> 0x7E to 0x7F is for just experimentation. >> =20 >> 0xFE to 0xFF is for shim headers experimentation=20 >> =20 >> My confusion came from the fact that is not clearly stated. >> =20 >> Can we modify the text as: >> =20 >> 0x7E to 0x7F: Experimentation and testing=20 >> 0x80 to 0xFD: Unassigned (shim headers)=20 >> 0xFE to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing (shim headers) >> =20 >> So that the difference is clearly stated. >> =20 >> Ciao >> =20 >> L. >> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 2 Jun 2020, at 19:34, Fabio Maino (fmaino) > wrote: >>> =20 >>> Ciso Luigi, please see below... >>>=20 >>> On 6/2/20, 12:11 AM, "Luigi Iannone" > wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On 1 Jun 2020, at 07:53, Fabio Maino (fmaino) > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Ciao Luigi,=20 >>>> The reason is to allow to experiment with shim headers and non-shim = headers at the same time. As you may remember shim headers have a more = fixed encodng and must be located before non-shim headers. >>>=20 >>> That is OK for me.=20 >>>=20 >>> But my question is why this: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> 0x7E to 0x7F: Experimentation and testing >>>=20 >>> FM> The two above are for experimentation of NON shim headers >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> 0x80 to 0xFD: Unassigned (shim headers)=20 >>>> 0xFE to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> FM These two are for experimentation of shim headers.=20 >>>=20 >>> Shim headers are placed (and processed) first, so we want to give = the freedom to experiment with both.=20 >>>=20 >>> For example, one would want to experiment with a shim header = (identified by 0xFE) that carries some special metadata for IPv4 = payloads, while someone else would want to experiment with IPv8 payloads = (identified with 0x7E). A third person might want to experiment, at the = same time, with a shim header that carries special metadata for IPv8.=20 >>>=20 >>> Fabio >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Instead of this (range has been adapted): >>>=20 >>> 0x7E to 0xFB: Unassigned (shim headers)=20 >>> 0xFC to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing >>>=20 >>> ?? >>>=20 >>> Certainly I am missing something ;-) >>>=20 >>> Ciao >>>=20 >>> L. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, >>>> Fabio >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On 5/31/20, 10:47 PM, "Luigi Iannone" > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Thank you for updating the document. >>>>=20 >>>> I have a quick question. >>>>=20 >>>> Looking at the next protocol values we now see: >>>>=20 >>>> 0x7E to 0x7F: Experimentation and testing=20 >>>> 0x80 to 0xFD: Unassigned (shim headers)=20 >>>> 0xFE to 0xFF: Experimentation and testing >>>>=20 >>>> Can you provide a rationale why not having just one bigger = experimentation and testing range instead of two with an unassigned = range in the middle? >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks >>>>=20 >>>> Ciao >>>>=20 >>>> L. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On 1 Jun 2020, at 07:41, internet-drafts@ietf.org = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >>>>> This draft is a work item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG = of the IETF. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Title : LISP Generic Protocol Extension >>>>> Authors : Fabio Maino >>>>> Jennifer Lemon >>>>> Puneet Agarwal >>>>> Darrel Lewis >>>>> Michael Smith >>>>> Filename : draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt >>>>> Pages : 15 >>>>> Date : 2020-05-31 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Abstract: >>>>> This document describes extentions to the Locator/ID Separation >>>>> Protocol (LISP) Data-Plane, via changes to the LISP header, to >>>>> support multi-protocol encapsulation. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe/ = >>>>>=20 >>>>> There are also htmlized versions available at: >>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15 = >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15 >>>>>=20 >>>>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >>>>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> lisp mailing list >>>>> lisp@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp --Apple-Mail=_56B012FE-20EB-44B4-BA04-93231ED715FD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Perfect :-)

Thanks Fabio

L.


On 3 Jun = 2020, at 19:00, Fabio Maino (fmaino) <fmaino@cisco.com> = wrote:

Done!
 
Fabio
 
From: Fabio Maino <fmaino@cisco.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 = at 9:43 AM
To: Luigi Iannone <ggx@gigix.net>
Cc: "lisp@ietf.org" <lisp@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-lisp-gpe@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-lisp-gpe@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [lisp] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt
 
Sounds good Luigi. 
 
I=E2=80=99l= l publish an updated version that reflects your suggestions later = today.
 
Fabio
 
From: Luigi Iannone <ggx@gigix.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 = at 10:45 PM
To: Fabio Maino <fmaino@cisco.com>
Cc: "lisp@ietf.org" <lisp@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-lisp-gpe@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-lisp-gpe@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [lisp] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: Fabio Maino <fmaino@cisco.com>, = <jennifer.lemon@broadcom.com>, <puneet@acm.org>, Darrel = Lewis <darlewis@cisco.com>, <michsmit@cisco.com>
Resent-Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 = at 10:44 PM
 
Hello again,
 
if you agree to change the text as for may previous email = table in section 6 IANA Considerations must be updated as well.
 
Ciao
 
L.
 
 
 
 
 



On 3 = Jun 2020, at 07:38, Luigi Iannone <ggx@gigix.net> wrote:
 
Hi Fabio,
 
thanks for the clarification. I think that I finally got = it:
 
0x7E to 0x7F is for just = experimentation.
 
 0xFE to 0xFF is for shim headers = experimentation 
 
My confusion came from the fact that is not clearly = stated.
 
Can we modify the text as:
 
0x7E to 0x7F:  Experimentation and = testing 
0x80 = to 0xFD:  Unassigned (shim headers) 
0xFE = to 0xFF:  Experimentation and testing (shim headers)
 
So that the difference  is clearly = stated.
 
Ciao
 
L.
 
 



On 2 Jun 2020, at 19:34, Fabio Maino = (fmaino) <fmaino@cisco.com> = wrote:
 
Ciso Luigi, please see below...

On 6/2/20, 12:11 AM, "Luigi Iannone" = <ggx@gigix.net> = wrote:





On 1 Jun = 2020, at 07:53, Fabio Maino (fmaino) <fmaino@cisco.com> wrote:

Ciao Luigi, 
The reason = is to allow to experiment with shim headers and non-shim headers at the = same time. As you may remember shim headers have a more fixed encodng = and must be located before non-shim headers.

   That is OK for me. 

   But my question is why this:



0x7E to 0x7F:  Experimentation and testing

FM> The two above are for experimentation = of NON shim headers



   0x80 to 0xFD:  Unassigned (shim = headers) 
   0xFE to 0xFF:  Experimentation and = testing



FM These = two are for experimentation of shim headers. 

Shim headers are placed (and processed) first, = so we want to give the freedom to experiment with both. 

For example, one would want to experiment with a shim header = (identified by 0xFE) that carries some special metadata for IPv4 = payloads, while someone else would want to experiment with IPv8 payloads = (identified with 0x7E). A third person might want to experiment, at the = same time, with a shim header that carries special metadata for = IPv8. 
Fabio






   Instead of this (range has been = adapted):

   0x7E to 0xFB: =  Unassigned (shim headers) 
   0xFC to 0xFF:  Experimentation and = testing

   ??

   Certainly I am missing = something ;-)

   Ciao

   L.






Thanks,
Fabio



On 5/31/20, 10:47 PM, "Luigi Iannone" <ggx@gigix.net> wrote:

  Thank you for updating the document.

  I have a quick question.

  Looking at the next protocol = values we now see:

   0x7E = to 0x7F:  Experimentation and testing 
   0x80 to 0xFD:  Unassigned (shim = headers) 
   0xFE to 0xFF:  Experimentation and = testing

  Can you provide a = rationale why not having just one bigger experimentation and testing = range instead of two with an unassigned range in the middle?

  Thanks

  Ciao

  L.




On 1 Jun = 2020, at 07:41, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:


A New Internet-Draft is available from the = on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work = item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG of the IETF.

     Title =           : LISP = Generic Protocol Extension
     Authors =         : Fabio Maino
          &nb= sp;            = ;Jennifer Lemon
          &nb= sp;            = ;Puneet Agarwal
          &nb= sp;            = ;Darrel Lewis
          &nb= sp;            = ;Michael Smith
Filename =        : = draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15.txt
Pages =           : 15
Date =            : = 2020-05-31

Abstract:
This = document describes extentions to the Locator/ID Separation
Protocol (LISP) Data-Plane, via changes to the LISP header, = to
support multi-protocol encapsulation.


The IETF datatracker status page for this = draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe/

There are also htmlized versions available = at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15

A diff from the previous version is = available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lisp-gpe-15


Please note that it may take a = couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the = htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by = anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/


_______________________________________________
lisp mailing list
lisp@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp
=

= --Apple-Mail=_56B012FE-20EB-44B4-BA04-93231ED715FD-- From nobody Thu Jun 4 13:31:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietf.org Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2893A0F43; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 13:31:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.1.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: db3546@att.com, lisp@ietf.org, ggx@gigix.net, draft-ietf-lisp-gpe@ietf.org, Luigi Iannone , lisp-chairs@ietf.org Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <159130267824.17096.514686809996686235@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 13:31:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] Last Call: (LISP Generic Protocol Extension) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 20:31:19 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG (lisp) to consider the following document: - 'LISP Generic Protocol Extension' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2020-06-18. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Note, this is a 2nd IETF Last Call due to technical changes during IESG review. Abstract This document describes extensions to the Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) Data-Plane, via changes to the LISP header, to support multi-protocol encapsulation. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Thu Jun 4 13:33:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietf.org Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335163A0F4B; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 13:33:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.1.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: draft-ietf-lisp-rfc6830bis@ietf.org, ggx@gigix.net, db3546@att.com, lisp@ietf.org, Luigi Iannone , lisp-chairs@ietf.org Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <159130279669.9701.12281135390448252115@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 13:33:17 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] Last Call: (The Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP)) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 20:33:17 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG (lisp) to consider the following document: - 'The Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP)' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2020-06-18. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Note, this is a 2nd IETF Last Call due to technical changes during IESG review. Abstract This document describes the Data-Plane protocol for the Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP). LISP defines two namespaces, End-point Identifiers (EIDs) that identify end-hosts and Routing Locators (RLOCs) that identify network attachment points. With this, LISP effectively separates control from data, and allows routers to create overlay networks. LISP-capable routers exchange encapsulated packets according to EID-to-RLOC mappings stored in a local Map-Cache. LISP requires no change to either host protocol stacks or to underlay routers and offers Traffic Engineering, multihoming and mobility, among other features. This document obsoletes RFC 6830. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-rfc6830bis/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. The document contains these normative downward references. See RFC 3967 for additional information: rfc8378: Signal-Free Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) Multicast (Experimental - IETF stream) rfc6831: The Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) for Multicast Environments (Experimental - IETF stream) rfc6830: The Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) (Experimental - IETF stream) draft-ietf-lisp-6834bis: Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) Map-Versioning (None - IETF stream) From nobody Thu Jun 4 13:34:16 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietf.org Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BEB3A0F7E; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 13:34:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.1.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: db3546@att.com, lisp-chairs@ietf.org, Luigi Iannone , draft-ietf-lisp-rfc6833bis@ietf.org, lisp@ietf.org, ggx@gigix.net Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <159130284379.4585.8783946586699870805@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 13:34:04 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] Last Call: (Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) Control-Plane) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 20:34:11 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG (lisp) to consider the following document: - 'Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) Control-Plane' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2020-06-18. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Note, this is a 2nd IETF Last Call due to technical changes during IESG review. Abstract This document describes the Control-Plane and Mapping Service for the Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP), implemented by two types of LISP-speaking devices -- the LISP Map-Resolver and LISP Map-Server -- that provides a simplified "front end" for one or more Endpoint ID to Routing Locator mapping databases. By using this Control-Plane service interface and communicating with Map-Resolvers and Map-Servers, LISP Ingress Tunnel Routers (ITRs) and Egress Tunnel Routers (ETRs) are not dependent on the details of mapping database systems, which facilitates modularity with different database designs. Since these devices implement the "edge" of the LISP Control-Plane infrastructure, connecting EID addressable nodes of a LISP site, their implementation and operational complexity reduces the overall cost and effort of deploying LISP. This document obsoletes RFC 6830 and RFC 6833. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-rfc6833bis/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. The document contains these normative downward references. See RFC 3967 for additional information: draft-ietf-lisp-6834bis: Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) Map-Versioning (None - IETF stream) From nobody Mon Jun 8 12:42:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDDD3A0F61; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 12:42:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xkMQIvNGGfn7; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 12:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8223::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFE893A0F64; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 12:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p200300dee7007a009911e6fa0cde2b12.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([2003:de:e700:7a00:9911:e6fa:cde:2b12]); authenticated by wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1jiNer-0000FF-Hk; Mon, 08 Jun 2020 21:42:09 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Mirja Kuehlewind In-Reply-To: <88237C40-7982-4B46-8F98-9C663DCD95EC@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 21:42:08 +0200 Cc: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "lisp-chairs@ietf.org" , "lisp@ietf.org" , "magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com" , "draft-ietf-lisp-gpe@ietf.org" , The IESG , Luigi Iannone Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7D6491AB-54A6-4122-988D-D8695417B567@kuehlewind.net> References: <153738612868.21424.5753365080841918983.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7B0AFA55-F5F0-4B7A-A898-A1E175CB096B@kuehlewind.net> <5E6CE0AD-097A-40F0-A14A-265619E617C6@kuehlewind.net> <88237C40-7982-4B46-8F98-9C663DCD95EC@cisco.com> To: "Fabio Maino (fmaino)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1591645333;10bd8cea; X-HE-SMSGID: 1jiNer-0000FF-Hk Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ietf-?= =?utf-8?q?lisp-gpe-05=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2020 19:42:18 -0000 Thanks a lot! I believe all my comments are addressed but I=E2=80=99m = also not an AD anymore=E2=80=A6 > On 1. Jun 2020, at 07:55, Fabio Maino (fmaino) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Mirja,=20 > Rev -15, that was just published, should address your comments: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-gpe/ >=20 > Let me know if you have any further comment.=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Fabio >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 3/13/20, 4:19 AM, "Mirja Kuehlewind" = wrote: >=20 > Hi authors, hi Deborah, >=20 > Sorry for being super later on this but I was looking at this = document again and I realised that there is still one open issue that = needs fixing: I noticed that I also had a discuss point on guidance on = DSCP which is not addressed yet. However, the more important and really = critical point is that the doc talks about setting the 3-bit Type of = Service (ToS) that does exist anymore: RFC1349 was obsoleted by RFC2474, = so there is now only a 6-bit DSCP field. This is really a pain point in = todays Internet and needs to be fixed! I also recommend to add a = reference to RFC2474 (then this problem would maybe have been detected = earlier). And still as my discuss says some more guidance on the use of = DCSP would be good as well! >=20 > Thanks! > Mirja >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 10. Jan 2020, at 20:03, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Mirja, >>=20 >> The plan is to Last Call the set of documents (gpe, bis's) and put on = a future telechat. First, the author teams want to ensure they have = addressed all the current Discusses/comments and they are working to get = the documents ready. >>=20 >> Thanks all - the documents are much improved! >> Deborah >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mirja Kuehlewind =20 >> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 5:22 AM >> To: Fabio Maino (fmaino) ; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A = >> Cc: The IESG ; lisp-chairs@ietf.org; lisp@ietf.org; = magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com; draft-ietf-lisp-gpe@ietf.org; Luigi = Iannone >> Subject: Re: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's Discuss on = draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-05: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >>=20 >> Hi Fabio, >>=20 >> Thanks for all the work. Changes look good to me and I think my = discuss comments are addressed. >>=20 >> One small comment/nit: I think you also should define the = =E2=80=9CReserved=E2=80=9D field in Figure 2. It=E2=80=99s not mention = in the text, and even though the meaning is obvious, I assume it was an = oversight that it's not described. >>=20 >> Given the large set of changes, it=E2=80=99s good that another wg = last call took place. I think given more or less whole document has = changes, it could be approbate to also have another IETF last call and = put it back on a future telechat agenda. But I let Deborah decide about = this.=20 >>=20 >> Deborah what's your plan here? >>=20 >> Mirja >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 8. Jan 2020, at 00:02, Fabio Maino (fmaino) = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Mirja, >>> It took quite some time, but I think we are finally making progress=20= >>> with the review of draft-ietf-lisp-gpe and the related LISP RFCbis=20= >>> drafts=20 >>> = (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf >>> = .org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dlisp-2Drfc6830bis_&d=3DDwIFaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQ= >>> = icvjIg&r=3D6UhGpW9lwi9dM7jYlxXD8w&m=3DP3uTUROTWL7J4b_XZZt4t4VKyYB-AcvU0YVl= >>> PPk33Nw&s=3DoRnVaMWUr_mvYyEiDEkkNTuBOAIOJ_vBnr3COsvsMrI&e=3D >>> , = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.or= g_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dlisp-2Drfc6833bis_&d=3DDwIFaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicv= jIg&r=3D6UhGpW9lwi9dM7jYlxXD8w&m=3DP3uTUROTWL7J4b_XZZt4t4VKyYB-AcvU0YVlPPk= 33Nw&s=3D3I9q-AoB6EQNPtTNvKH36_EP-xCFPQESZPH7CeFoVuo&e=3D ). >>>=20 >>> Could you please take a look at the latest rev -13 of = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.or= g_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dlisp-2Dgpe_&d=3DDwIFaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3D= 6UhGpW9lwi9dM7jYlxXD8w&m=3DP3uTUROTWL7J4b_XZZt4t4VKyYB-AcvU0YVlPPk33Nw&s=3D= BueHq0NVA0sDhX7r1hme2y4YHEnu52LCy7alSTn3nIc&e=3D , and let us know if = we have addressed your comments? >>>=20 >>> Wrt lisp-gpe, compared with rev -05 that you last reviewed, we have = done two main changes that might help addressing your DISCUSS:=20 >>> 1. We have introduced the concept of shim header, along the line of = what Mirja suggested in her comment. The chairs thought that the change = was significant enough to require a new last call with the WG, that we = did after Singapore >>> 2. We have introduced section 4 that, following what done in = RFC8085 and RFC8086, defines the scope of applicability of LISP-GPE and = makes considerations related with congestion control, UDP checksum, and = ethernet payload encapsulation.=20 >>>=20 >>> Please, let me know if you have any further question or suggestion.=20= >>>=20 >>> I have attached a diff from rev -05 that is the one to which your = ballot comments were referring to.=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Fabio >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 9/20/18, 1:22 PM, "Fabio Maino" wrote: >>>=20 >>> Thanks for your notes Mirja. >>>=20 >>> I'll publish an updated rev this evening to consolidate the changes = that=20 >>> I believe we have agreed upon, and then I'll work on those that are=20= >>> still open. >>>=20 >>> Please see below. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 9/19/18 12:42 PM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind wrote: >>>> Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for >>>> draft-ietf-lisp-gpe-05: Discuss >>>>=20 >>>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all=20 >>>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut=20= >>>> this introductory paragraph, however.) >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Please refer to=20 >>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_ies >>>> = g_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwIFaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg >>>> = &r=3D6UhGpW9lwi9dM7jYlxXD8w&m=3DP3uTUROTWL7J4b_XZZt4t4VKyYB-AcvU0YVlPPk33 >>>> Nw&s=3DLRs3yFVTl5Y1iOdjAu80URJVGsWHi2UmiUaeJ0j9Imw&e=3D >>>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf >>>> = .org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dlisp-2Dgpe_&d=3DDwIFaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg >>>> = &r=3D6UhGpW9lwi9dM7jYlxXD8w&m=3DP3uTUROTWL7J4b_XZZt4t4VKyYB-AcvU0YVlPPk33 >>>> Nw&s=3DBueHq0NVA0sDhX7r1hme2y4YHEnu52LCy7alSTn3nIc&e=3D >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> = --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> DISCUSS: >>>> = --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks for addressing the TSV-ART review (and Magnus for doing the=20= >>>> review)! I assume that the proposed text will be incorporated in = the=20 >>>> next version. (Would have been even better if those (larger) = changes=20 >>>> would have been added before the doc was put on the telechat; = please=20 >>>> update as soon as possible so other AD can review that text as = well). >>>>=20 >>>> However, I think the text still needs to say more about HOW the PCP=20= >>>> should be mapped to DSCPs. RFC8325 doesn't provide guidelines but a = mapping for 802.11. >>>> Is the same mapping applicable here? >>>=20 >>> Agree. As pointed out by Magnus' latest email there's more = investigation=20 >>> needed here. I'll get back on this. >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Also, I'm not an expert for that part, but I guess there also is=20 >>>> further guidance needed on HOW to map the VID...? >>>=20 >>> This is really straightforward, as the VID is a 12-bit field, and = the=20 >>> IID is 24-bit. Implementation that I'm aware of typically carve a=20= >>> portion of the IID space to encode the VID. >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> = --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> COMMENT: >>>> = --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>>=20 >>>> Given this doc uses the last reserved bit in the lisp header, I = would=20 >>>> really like to see more discussion how the data plane lisp can = still=20 >>>> be extended. I think the solution is straight-forward (define a = shim=20 >>>> layer for the extension and announce this capability in the=20 >>>> Map-Reply), however, spelling this out seems to be appropriate for = this doc. >>>=20 >>> Correct, that's the idea. I'll add a sentence that states that a=20 >>> lisp-gpe next protocol header can be used to extend the lisp = data-plane=20 >>> functions. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Fabio >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> >>=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Mon Jun 8 16:08:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F033A003C; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 16:08:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com 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DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VgRikfedOA43; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9C793A15EB; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49j4pb4Kjtz6GGl5; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:43:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1591836199; bh=JJFnCJr5cEZFkUsQGF9O3k4mbrGNfZUIpN5k0JplajI=; h=Subject:References:To:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=kk+7mu/0d5X3zZM7Peg8yY5we+KkDZij49FkJt2LLnjkKOivGjok+1PKafGb4PK6U ebjSoVpqgCAvCyKrfCJnZf00a7yr0jPSd5In+C86uffv7hhdzbuco02eegdQ2Dlvho qWjyoRQpPDms7gBhZ2VfXyfqNour15xQ6dlPSiWM= X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at a2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49j4pZ74ZMz6G9lW; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:43:17 -0700 (PDT) References: <90F43A4B-9A1E-480A-B7BF-75A93842C261@att.com> To: "lisp@ietf.org" , "sfc@ietf.org" From: Joel Halpern X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <90F43A4B-9A1E-480A-B7BF-75A93842C261@att.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 20:43:16 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <90F43A4B-9A1E-480A-B7BF-75A93842C261@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] Fwd: Fwd: Nomcom 2020-2021 Second Call For Volunteers X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 00:43:22 -0000 Barbara, our Nomcom chairs, ha sensibly asked chairs to forward this to our working groups. Please volunteer to serve on Nomcom if you are eligible and can make the time. if you are eligible, please try to make the time. Thank you, Joel Begin forwarded message: > *From:* NomCom Chair 2020 > *Date:* June 10, 2020 at 1:55:21 PM CDT > *To:* IETF Announcement List > *Cc:* "ietf@ietf.org" > *Subject:* *Nomcom 2020-2021 Second Call For Volunteers* > > This is the second sending of the call for volunteers for the > 2020-2021 NomCom. > > I wanted to mention a few updates from the previous email (sent 2 > weeks ago): > - I've fixed the URL at the bottom of the email to point to > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_nomcom_2020_&d=DwIDaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC-8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=ZsNIRqCxjDeOYYDNalOSHcuwQG23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=NgIu-7Ij0nEdsFcbJOLcl2M56RxyREhLAtcaHLatD34&e= >  instead of /2019/. This was a test to see if anyone was paying > attention. Apparently, some people were. ;) > - The IETF 108 registration form includes a checkbox that will let you > volunteer. You can use this instead of emailing me, when you register > for IETF 108. > - I currently have 39 volunteers. Last year had 149. I need more > volunteers! > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The IETF NomCom appoints people to fill the open slots on the LLC, > IETF Trust, the IAB, and the IESG. > > Ten voting members for the NomCom are selected in a verifiably random > way from a pool of volunteers. The more volunteers, the better chance > we have of choosing a random yet representative cross section of the > IETF population. > > The details of the operation of the NomCom can be found in BCP 10 (RFC > 8713). RFC 3797 details the selection algorithm. > > Special for this year (and only this year), we also have RFC 8788 > (one-off update to RFC 8713 / BCP 10) to tell us who is eligible to > volunteer: > >      Members of the IETF community must have attended at least three of >      the last five in-person IETF meetings in order to volunteer. > >      The five meetings are the five most recent in-person meetings that >      ended prior to the date on which the solicitation for NomCom >      volunteers was submitted for distribution to the IETF community. >      Because no IETF 107 in-person meeting was held, for the 2020-2021 >      Nominating Committee those five meetings are IETFs >        102 [Montreal, Canada; July 2018], >        103 [Bangkok, Thailand; November 2018], >        104 [Prague, Czech Republic; March 2019], >        105 [Montreal, Canada; July 2019], and >        106 [Singapore; November 2019]. > > Keep in mind that eligibility is based on in-person attendance at the > five listed meetings. You can check your eligibility at: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_registration_nomcom.py&d=DwIDaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC-8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=ZsNIRqCxjDeOYYDNalOSHcuwQG23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=7_9x9PPoUIajJs2AnUFYg0KnEg8gkD3Jnwf1v079EQo&e= > . > > If you qualify, please volunteer. Before you decide to volunteer, > please remember that anyone appointed to this NomCom will not be > considered as a candidate for any of the positions that the 2020 - > 2021 NomCom is responsible for filling. > > People commonly volunteer by ticking the box on IETF registration > forms. The IETF 106 form did not ask whether people were willing to > volunteer. IETF 107 did ask, but all those registrations were > canceled. I have asked the Secretariat if it is possible to get the > list if volunteers from canceled IETF 107 registrations. If that list > is available, I will contact all who are verified as eligible. But > given the uncertainty of this process, I would encourage people to > volunteer directly (see the bottom of this email for instructions). > Thank you for volunteering! > > The list of people and posts whose terms end with the March 2021 IETF > meeting, and thus the positions for which this NomCom is responsible, are > > IETF Trust: >    Joel Halpern > > LLC: >    Maja Andjelkovic > > IAB: >    Jari Arkko >    Jeff Tantsura >    Mark Nottingham >    Stephen Farrell >    Wes Hardaker >    Zhenbin Li > > IESG: >    Alissa Cooper, IETF Chair/GEN AD >    Alvaro Retana, RTG AD >    Barry Leiba, ART AD >    Deborah Brungard, RTG AD >    Éric Vyncke, INT AD >    Magnus Westerlund, TSV AD >    Roman Danyliw, SEC AD >    Warren Kumari, OPS AD > > All appointments are for 2 years. The Routing area has 3 ADs and the > General area has 1; all other areas have 2 ADs. Thus, all areas (that > have more than one AD) have at least one continuing AD. > > The primary activity for this NomCom will begin in July 2020 and > should be completed in January 2021.  The NomCom will have regularly > scheduled conference calls to ensure progress. There will be > activities to collect requirements from the community, review > candidate questionnaires, review feedback from community members about > candidates, and talk to candidates. > > While being a NomCom member does require some time commitment it is > also a very rewarding experience. > > As a member of the NomCom it is very important that you be willing and > able to attend either videoconference or in-person meetings (which may > not happen) during 14-20 November (IETF 109 - Bangkok) to conduct > interviews. Videoconference attendance will be supported whether or > not there are in-person meetings. Orientation and setting of the > NomCom schedule will be done by videoconference during the week 20-24 > July (exact time and date to be determined after NomCom membership is > finalized on July 12), the week prior to IETF 108.  Being at IETF 110 > (Prague) is not essential. > > Please volunteer by sending me an email before 23:59 UTC June 24, > 2020, as follows: > > To: nomcom-chair-2020@ietf.org > Subject: NomCom 2020-21 Volunteer > > Please include the following information in the email body: > > Your Full Name: >    // as you write it on the IETF registration form > > Current Primary Affiliation: >    // Typically what goes in the Company field >    // in the IETF Registration Form > > Emails: >   // All email addresses used to register for the past 5 IETF meetings >   // Preferred email address first > > Telephone: >    // For confirmation if selected > > You should expect an email response from me within 5 business days > stating whether or not you are qualified.  If you don't receive this > response, please re-send your email with the tag "RESEND"" added to > the subject line. > > If you are not yet sure if you would like to volunteer, please > consider that NomCom members play a very important role in shaping the > leadership of the IETF.  Questions by email or voice are welcome. > Volunteering for the NomCom is a great way to contribute to the IETF! > > You can find a detailed timeline on the NomCom web site at: >    https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_nomcom_2020_&d=DwIDaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC-8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=ZsNIRqCxjDeOYYDNalOSHcuwQG23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=NgIu-7Ij0nEdsFcbJOLcl2M56RxyREhLAtcaHLatD34&e= > > > I will be publishing a more detailed target timetable, as well as > details of the randomness seeds to be used for the RFC 3797 selection > process, within the next few weeks. > > Thank you! > > Barbara Stark > bs7652 at att dot com > nomcom-chair-2020 at ietf dot org > From nobody Sun Jun 28 00:31:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietf.org Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45D13A07A8; Sun, 28 Jun 2020 00:31:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lisp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.5.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lisp@ietf.org Message-ID: <159332946975.15205.2582033933051457157@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 00:31:09 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-nexagon-02.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 07:31:10 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG of the IETF. Title : Network-Hexagons: H3-LISP GeoState & Mobility Network Authors : Sharon Barkai Bruno Fernandez-Ruiz S ZionB Rotem Tamir Alberto Rodriguez-Natal Fabio Maino Albert Cabellos-Aparicio Dino Farinacci Filename : draft-ietf-lisp-nexagon-02.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2020-06-28 Abstract: This document specifies use of H3 and LISP to publish subscribe and reflect real-time state status of public spaces and public roads: - Tile by tile, indexed annotation of streets & curbs in near real time - Sharing hazards, blockages, parking, weather, maintenance, inventory.. - Between MobilityClients who produce and consume geo-state information - Using geo-spatial IP channels of current state of the physical world The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-nexagon/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lisp-nexagon-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lisp-nexagon-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lisp-nexagon-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jun 30 03:33:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietf.org Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890D93A0CF8; Tue, 30 Jun 2020 03:33:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lisp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.6.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lisp@ietf.org Message-ID: <159351319250.6863.18116782182390762903@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 03:33:12 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-nexagon-03.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 10:33:13 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG of the IETF. Title : Network-Hexagons: H3-LISP GeoState & Mobility Network Authors : Sharon Barkai Bruno Fernandez-Ruiz S ZionB Rotem Tamir Alberto Rodriguez-Natal Fabio Maino Albert Cabellos-Aparicio Dino Farinacci Filename : draft-ietf-lisp-nexagon-03.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2020-06-30 Abstract: This document specifies use of H3 and LISP to publish subscribe and reflect real-time state and status of public spaces and public roads: - Tile by tile, indexed annotation of streets & curbs in near real time - Sharing hazards, blockages, parking, weather, maintenance, inventory.. - Between MobilityClients who produce and consume geo-state information - Using geo-spatial IP channels of current state of the physical world The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lisp-nexagon/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lisp-nexagon-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lisp-nexagon-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lisp-nexagon-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/