From alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com Thu Nov 1 17:31:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94E421F989D for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 17:31:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YeVUcLT2aGJL for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 17:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.145]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110E721F95E3 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 17:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.3) with ESMTP id qA20VDNG012414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 01:31:13 +0100 Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qA20VD9B026748 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 01:31:13 +0100 (envelope-from alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (arletty1-201-9.intra.cea.fr [132.166.201.9]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.2) with ESMTP id qA20UwFm010090 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 01:31:13 +0100 Message-ID: <50931442.5040009@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 01:30:58 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netext@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [netext] Review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip-01 X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 00:31:16 -0000 Le 10/11/2011 20:36, Sri Gundavelli a écrit : > I agree. I think we should simply assume the DHCPv6 server and the > LMA are collocated. For the split case, we loosely specify the > assumptions and the interface should be out of scope. In case LMA is separated from the DHCPv6 Server we propose two message exchange diagrams, depending on whether or not the DHCP Server can be modified or not. The proposals are in the individual submission draft-petrescu-netext-pmip-nemo-01 pages 8 and 9. What are the assumptions that you refer to above? Alex > > > Sri > > > On 11/10/11 1:29 PM, "Basavaraj.Patil@nokia.com" > wrote: > >> >> Inline: >> >> On 11/10/11 2:21 PM, "ext jouni korhonen" >> wrote: >> >>> Raj, >>> >>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:30 PM, zhou.xingyue@zte.com.cn wrote: >>> >>>>> 4. If the prefixes (delegated) are provided by a DHCP server >>>>> (and not the LMA), how does the LMA get informed about these? >>>>> In the PBU? How do you ensure that "All the mobile network >>>>> prefixes managed in the DR MUST be reachable via local >>>>> mobility anchor (LMA)" when they are not assigned by the >>>>> LMA? >>>> [Joy]Here it assumes that the LMA can interact with the DHCPv6 >>>> Server within some other mechanisms e.g. Radius. >>> >>> The situation is the same as with PMIP6 and DHCPv6 in general. >>> The DHCPv6 server and the LMA has to be in sync. There is no need >>> for an interface as everything can be managed with configuration. >>> But that does not preclude having an interface between the LMA >>> and the DHCPv6 server. >> >> How do you keep the DHCPv6 server and the LMA in sync? Is it >> considered out-of-scope and the actual method about how they are >> synced not specified? If the DHCPv6 server and LMA are co-located, >> it could be easier. If they are not, then it may be an issue. The >> argument that you can use a Radius type interface between DHCPv6 >> server and the LMA is not good enough. Is there such a >> specification? The Netext WG has only specified the RADIUS >> interactions between a AAA server and the MAG/LMA entities. >> >> -Raj >> >>> >>> - Jouni >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ netext mailing >> list netext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > > _______________________________________________ netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > From bpatil1@gmail.com Fri Nov 2 12:27:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8834B1F0C8F for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 12:27:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id piwLPCdsPweq for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 12:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956721F0C8D for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 12:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so6239299iec.31 for ; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:27:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1jmPs0b546K1TqGi+ZTZywiEM2UPfvEZZBM/j2mAAVY=; b=TwIevx8hpEaAldbhpLbNWzEB6nrVR2pgGOu7OE5+GsfrcmnexwVW8p1aJj/R/rD1y7 eC7zcG0AzE4iHZO0LAXnE3r7sV6MrmpB+VpZDCfIW3UHISQOGFvpCSlGJuiqrs3m9OtQ 4FEXej57IVh0GiJ1SEAbOg3ZroKhDp6obkbDumzKTKNSn28455AT5CFCNUWf6tZPR19q Zz9ptML1fu46dmEN+4NWZvcmY+ElJoq7BYZj4Y9KOn/6tGr1y2gvvpvbtApb48vcnBX3 GNGhNHgtPMpI/QSOvjeNS1m2YJx8DPmFL6d5/e+N+MYbpyk5y7oQV+b8e4NyYDCRLF65 0jOQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.152.137 with SMTP id uy9mr2686880igb.62.1351884457236; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.198.199 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Nov 2012 12:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 14:27:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: Basavaraj Patil To: "netext@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3b9e8fd9d97b04cd88204d Subject: [netext] IETF85: Slides from presenters X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:27:38 -0000 --e89a8f3b9e8fd9d97b04cd88204d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello, If you are on the agenda, please send me your slides by Sunday (11/4) noon at the latest. If I do not get slides by 4 PM on Sunday, you may not be on the agenda. -Raj --e89a8f3b9e8fd9d97b04cd88204d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hello,

If you are on the agenda, please send me your slides by Sunday (11/4) noon at the latest. If I do not get slides by 4 PM on Sunday, you may not be on the agenda.

-Raj

--e89a8f3b9e8fd9d97b04cd88204d-- From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Sun Nov 4 08:23:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E152021F8455 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:23:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HiSeZugSCSnl for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E86B21F8452 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so7842336iec.31 for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 08:23:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wVXDgyey7vhrsD/nMAXVOabz0Bu4bQKjvmHNcSnA6+U=; b=vEhnSUTxsrBn87bKdkEa+arDD/Uhtjh3FBFg9DqzhXHC+hGq9YqK4ynW3CDsLYWBpv ugux7yoPfjH/xLbIueZanR7dEfeSTnr1AWLw/ATQJ000Bms1XNI8oshGUjoxwM2LsBYw IPynvYoD4eQN6895fJdrtj/VlpySZJLJJvi5JVOcjX/VmfzquEW3zifOfj0EuApVLAnE 0lwGQYSd5gbnYeubC7pufdnn626C/C2AimsM+wGbdI2GzDtC2N2BrJ3+SjsuX2u3R86F 624TJ8AQUGTW2RD+zfEIv1ZyP1axaEb19S556ZEpea8GFpunYonKCQRupAg76wWlU/pU TvpQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.40.138 with SMTP id x10mr7370635igk.41.1352046211908; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 08:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.85.26 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:23:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1350927179.5139.92.camel@acorde.it.uc3m.es> References: <1349681336.4721.28.camel@acorde.it.uc3m.es> <1350927179.5139.92.camel@acorde.it.uc3m.es> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:23:31 -0600 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-04 Section 5.1 X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 16:23:33 -0000 Hi Carlos, Please see inline. Regards, Behcet On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano wrote: > Hi Behcet, > > On Tue, 2012-10-16 at 15:20 -0500, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> Hi Carlos, >> >> My comments below. >> >> Regards, >> >> Behcet >> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:28 AM, Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano >> wrote: >> > Hi Behcet, >> > >> > On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 16:31 -0500, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> >> Hi Carlos, >> >> >> >> Section 5.1 is entitled Multiple Care-of Address Registration. In >> >> PMIPv6 there is no care-address so there can not be care-of address >> >> registration, right? >> > >> > Would "Multiple Proxy Care-of Address Registration" suit you? >> > >> >> Yes, it would be better. Also you need to distinguish home and visited >> link registrations from simultaneously connected interfaces, similar >> to RFC 5648. Feel free to take a look at >> draft-sarikaya-netext-flowmob-ext-00. When you do this, it will be >> easier for a MAG to know the interface of MN it serves is a home link >> or visited link. >> >> Base PMIPv6 needs to be modified to enable multiple proxy care-of >> address registrations, i.e. binding cache modifications are needed. > > This is already mentioned in the draft. I've tried to make it more clear > in the next revision. > Sorry I did not have time to check the revision yet. >> >> >> >> >> >> In Figure 7, you have BID. This is adopted from RFC 5648. >> >> >> >> Can we really adopt BID in PMIPv6? Please refer to Section 3 in >> >> draft-sarikaya-netext-flowmob-ext-00, unfortunately BID loses its >> >> meaning in PMIPv6. >> > >> > I don't quite follow this. We are proposing to reuse some mechanisms (= as >> > RFC 5648) to avoid redoing the whole thing. >> > >> >> Well, not everything in RFC 5648 applies to PMIPv6. BID does not apply. >> So you need to reuse whatever applies or needed. > > Why BID does not apply? If the BC is extended to support multiple > registrations, you need an identifier for each of them. The BID is used > for that. > Here is a quote from draft-sarikaya-netext-flowmob-ext-00: BID is mainly defined for multiple-interfaced mobile nodes with Mobile IPv6 functionalities. The BID is an identification number used to distinguish multiple bindings REGISTERED BY the MOBILE NODE. Each BID is GENERATED and MANAGED by a MOBILE NODE in Mobile IPv6. In Proxy Mobile IPv6, MOBILITY MANAGEMENT of MOBILE NODES WITH MULTIPLE INTERFACES IS RUN in DIFFERENT INDEPENDENT MAGs, and BID loses its meaning. I capitalized the words that carry the main idea, which I think you may have missed. You seem to be of the opinion that you can use RFC 5648 and RFC 6089 as is in PMIPv6. Yes, maybe you can but then you need MIPv6 MN not PMIPv6 MN. You also need HA of MIPv6, not LMA of PMIPv6. And then people will ask, why do we need a draft on PMIPv6 flow mobility support, just use MIPv6 mobility solution with a MIPv6 client on your MN. I think that this is the main issue in Sections 3.2.2 and 3.2.3. 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(pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by cirse.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.3) with ESMTP id qA5M2sG3012881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 23:02:54 +0100 Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qA5M2saY016995 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 23:02:54 +0100 (envelope-from alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (arletty1-201-70.intra.cea.fr [132.166.201.70]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.2) with ESMTP id qA5M2Jpq027407 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 23:02:53 +0100 Message-ID: <5098376A.9080300@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:02:18 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netext@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [netext] about the mMAG draft, and network mobility for PMIP X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 22:02:56 -0000 I wanted to say at the mic. I read this mMAG draft. I also read the netext wg ig pmip prefix delegation. Additioally, I co-authored another draft about pmip and network mobility. I think overall we may have an issue here about the lack of a problemm statement draft for pmip network mobility. I do not consider it blocking but it does backfire a bit here, if I can say so. One interesting aspect of mMAG (other than that it can work) is that it does not use DHCP at all. You Raj asked which operator would be interested in this mMAG concept - well any which does not implement DHCP-PD today, and there are many I think. One differentiating advantageous aspect in the netext wg item pmip prefix delegation is that it delegates a v6 as well as a v4 prefix. But it has the inconvenient of requiring mandatorily the GRE encapsulation (other kind sof encapsulaiton exist as well. Alex From seiljeon@av.it.pt Tue Nov 6 05:20:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4AC21F868A for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 05:20:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3wM0LrtBE70N for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 05:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from av.it.pt (mail.av.it.pt [193.136.92.53]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E4921F8689 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 05:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.129.11.48] (account seiljeon@av.it.pt HELO ATNoGSeil) by av.it.pt (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTPSA id 66930503; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:20:10 +0000 From: "Seil Jeon" To: "'Alexandru Petrescu'" References: <5098376A.9080300@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5098376A.9080300@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:20:19 -0000 Message-ID: <00b701cdbc21$7a103e80$6e30bb80$@av.it.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHgPkMvMro+LEx7dD9bJWmZLZPbn5e2/eoA Content-Language: ko Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] about the mMAG draft, and network mobility for PMIP X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:20:13 -0000 Hi Alex, Thanks for your comment. Please see [Seil] inline. Regards, Seil -----Original Message----- From: netext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru Petrescu Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:02 PM To: netext@ietf.org Subject: [netext] about the mMAG draft, and network mobility for PMIP I wanted to say at the mic. I read this mMAG draft. I also read the netext wg ig pmip prefix delegation. Additioally, I co-authored another draft about pmip and network mobility. I think overall we may have an issue here about the lack of a problemm statement draft for pmip network mobility. I do not consider it blocking but it does backfire a bit here, if I can say so. One interesting aspect of mMAG (other than that it can work) is that it does not use DHCP at all. You Raj asked which operator would be interested in this mMAG concept - well any which does not implement DHCP-PD today, and there are many I think. [Seil] As I told after the meeting, PMIPv6 specified stateless IP address configuration, right? And I believe we don't need to limit IP address configuration method with DHCP only in network mobility, even on business model. Main issue, in operator perspective, would not be the use of DHCP or not but how to arrange NEMO concept aligned with existing PMIPv6 protocol. One differentiating advantageous aspect in the netext wg item pmip prefix delegation is that it delegates a v6 as well as a v4 prefix. But it has the inconvenient of requiring mandatorily the GRE encapsulation (other kind sof encapsulaiton exist as well. Alex _______________________________________________ netext mailing list netext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext From seiljeon@av.it.pt Tue Nov 6 05:28:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43E321F8868 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 05:28:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qtz-e0p3hTFh for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 05:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from av.it.pt (mail.av.it.pt [193.136.92.53]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C4F21F884B for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 05:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.129.11.48] (account seiljeon@av.it.pt HELO ATNoGSeil) by av.it.pt (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTPSA id 66930589 for netext@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:28:41 +0000 From: "Seil Jeon" To: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:28:51 -0000 Message-ID: <00c801cdbc22$aacc2d30$00648790$@av.it.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C9_01CDBC22.AACE9E30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac28IpB+m05cKz/hTQ6Qb0/5RPvBFA== Content-Language: ko Subject: [netext] Additional comments for mMAG presentation X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:28:45 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01CDBC22.AACE9E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, On the mMAG presentation in the meeting, I think allocated slot might not be enough to have full discussion. Let me give explanation about the substance of mMAG proposed in our slide again. As I presented, the mMAG is 'SEEN' as one of MNs in MAG perspective but this is not a 'MN' like mobile device you simply have. That is a 'ROUTER' managed by the operators. So you can imagine same level of security association between mMAG and LMA as the MAG and LMA has. And this use case and the need are usually reasonable when considering real deployment. Of course, we will update this use case of NEMO in next version. But I think the need or the use case has implicitly been assumed in prefix delegation WG draft, right? Regards, Seil ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01CDBC22.AACE9E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = folks,

 

On = the mMAG presentation in the meeting, I think allocated slot might not = be enough to have full discussion.

Let = me give explanation about the substance of mMAG proposed in our slide = again.

 

As I = presented, the mMAG is ‘SEEN’ as one of MNs in MAG = perspective but this is not a ‘MN’ like mobile device = you simply have. That is a ‘ROUTER’ managed by the = operators. So you can imagine same level of security association between = mMAG and LMA as the MAG and LMA has.

 

And = this use case and the need are usually reasonable when considering real = deployment. Of course, we will update this use case of NEMO in next = version. But I think the need or the use case has implicitly been = assumed in prefix delegation WG draft, right?

 

Regards,

=

Seil

------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01CDBC22.AACE9E30-- From alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com Wed Nov 7 11:48:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4143B21F88FA for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:48:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KATn8DqbP2xp for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:48:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.145]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0680521F868F for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.3) with ESMTP id qA7JmGfH025809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 7 Nov 2012 20:48:16 +0100 Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qA7JmGwX025127; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 20:48:16 +0100 (envelope-from alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (arletty1-201-49.intra.cea.fr [132.166.201.49]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.2) with ESMTP id qA7Jm9nf025472; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 20:48:15 +0100 Message-ID: <509ABAF8.2050909@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:48:08 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Seil Jeon References: <5098376A.9080300@gmail.com> <00b701cdbc21$7a103e80$6e30bb80$@av.it.pt> In-Reply-To: <00b701cdbc21$7a103e80$6e30bb80$@av.it.pt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] about the mMAG draft, and network mobility for PMIP X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:48:20 -0000 Le 06/11/2012 14:20, Seil Jeon a écrit : > Hi Alex, > > Thanks for your comment. Please see [Seil] inline. > > Regards, Seil > > -----Original Message----- From: netext-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru Petrescu > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:02 PM To: netext@ietf.org Subject: > [netext] about the mMAG draft, and network mobility for PMIP > > I wanted to say at the mic. > > I read this mMAG draft. I also read the netext wg ig pmip prefix > delegation. Additioally, I co-authored another draft about pmip and > network mobility. > > I think overall we may have an issue here about the lack of a > problemm statement draft for pmip network mobility. I do not > consider it blocking but it does backfire a bit here, if I can say > so. > > One interesting aspect of mMAG (other than that it can work) is that > it does not use DHCP at all. You Raj asked which operator would be > interested in this mMAG concept - well any which does not implement > DHCP-PD today, and there are many I think. > > [Seil] As I told after the meeting, PMIPv6 specified stateless IP > address configuration, right? And I believe we don't need to limit IP > address configuration method with DHCP only in network mobility, even > on business model. Main issue, in operator perspective, would not be > the use of DHCP or not but how to arrange NEMO concept aligned with > existing PMIPv6 protocol. Ok, understood. I can understand some operators may prefer to use ND to auto-configure addresses on the Mobile Host, as well as on Mobile Routers. The mMAG solution you presented seemed to realize MRs with just using ND to configure address on MR, without DHCP PD. And without PD in RA either. It just uses double encapsulation. Which could be acceptable some times. Alex > > One differentiating advantageous aspect in the netext wg item pmip > prefix delegation is that it delegates a v6 as well as a v4 prefix. > But it has the inconvenient of requiring mandatorily the GRE > encapsulation (other kind sof encapsulaiton exist as well. > > > Alex > > _______________________________________________ netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > > From alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com Wed Nov 7 11:57:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEC421F8C9B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:57:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.213 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.213 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.036, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LEJIbhEDMoOP for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0669921F8BD3 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.3) with ESMTP id qA7JvDjl015345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 20:57:14 +0100 Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qA7JvD2K026164 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 20:57:13 +0100 (envelope-from alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (arletty1-201-49.intra.cea.fr [132.166.201.49]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.2) with ESMTP id qA7Jv7bJ006325 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 20:57:12 +0100 Message-ID: <509ABD12.5010400@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:57:06 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netext@ietf.org References: <00c801cdbc22$aacc2d30$00648790$@av.it.pt> In-Reply-To: <00c801cdbc22$aacc2d30$00648790$@av.it.pt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [netext] Additional comments for mMAG presentation X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:57:15 -0000 Le 06/11/2012 14:28, Seil Jeon a écrit : > Hi folks, > > On the mMAG presentation in the meeting, I think allocated slot might > not be enough to have full discussion. > > Let me give explanation about the substance of mMAG proposed in our > slide again. > > As I presented, the mMAG is ‘SEEN’ as one of MNs in MAG perspective > but this is not a ‘_MN_’ like mobile device you simply have. That is > a ‘ROUTER’ managed by the operators. So you can imagine same level > of security association between mMAG and LMA as the MAG and LMA has. Except that, when LMA sends a HNP (Home Network Prefix) to MAG to mMAG such as this HNP to be used by a Host in the moving network - there is no security between this Host and the LMA. There is a sort of delegation of authority between LMA and MAG and mMAG to trust about this Host, but obviously this is not 'end-to-end' security as one considers typically between a fixed Host and Correspondent in the Internet. > And this use case and the need are usually reasonable when > considering real deployment. Of course, we will update this use case > of NEMO in next version. But I think the need or the use case has > implicitly been assumed in prefix delegation WG draft, right? Well, one reads that as one wishes. In a ideal world, the problem statement and requirements about network mobility support with PMIP would be written first, separately, and allow time for competing solutions to root and grow. And later make some selection or join solutions. In a real world what happens is that some solutions grow much faster than others and they practically influence a problem statement, which is somehow more or less assummed to fit what that solution needs. Implementation is a key aspect as well. If one knows that some particular solution is safely planned to be implemented in a widely availabble router platform, then only thing one has to do is to agree to that solution, since deployment is guaranteed. Alex > > Regards, > > Seil > > > > _______________________________________________ netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > From bpatil1@gmail.com Mon Nov 12 04:35:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB9321F84FA for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:35:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fxh03pOG1oQr for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F4721F84CD for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so9882460iec.31 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:35:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/vTrHT+rL2l0kELQwBbB3bEU3dm6KLoQlr0PoO1+mVM=; b=sP4bJSQHMh9EUpBaloeVqQ8y/AUqQSDAgJuKFUbc+Iv1xz7RIcwAvZLRVw0qVdmJ7n vE13hE3gh/AYlydnmTe9/UN++KBufdW5317mUZhiWuSlwhYgjrOauXPyOFCJsNLEH1pb lj1sDB9PBllJPJ8eMsv8Z1cRLIFzSpzI1LlcYmAWwvkG64jnSH2UVWkkDvtF42iDXefE KS5o3JDnUKF/MbtiLwJSCq+oJP4Gw4aQFh7fLSxLbc+ie5bOGZ0Bb5TSDWWORPIsQPkQ zKLTwq5vXAf97GgffgloEQwv02H7+Gqd+daV9Rdjash/Fvwj8+jqwIqhisiLUt3+EWDs X2dQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.213.73 with SMTP id nq9mr7818152igc.27.1352723711156; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.101.197 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:35:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:35:11 -0600 Message-ID: From: Basavaraj Patil To: netext@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93405f348633204ce4b8840 Subject: [netext] Fwd: Netext WG summary from IETF85 X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:35:22 -0000 --14dae93405f348633204ce4b8840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Basavaraj Patil Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:19 PM Subject: Netext WG summary from IETF85 To: Brian Haberman , int-ads@tools.ietf.org Cc: netext-chairs@tools.ietf.org Hi Brian, Please find below the Netext WG summary from IETF85. Rgds, -Raj Summary of Netext WG meeting at IETF85 -------------------------------------- The Netext WG met at IETF85 on Monday November 5th from 1520-1720 PM. The meeting was chaired by Basavaraj Patil. Rajeev Koodli was unable to attend this meeting because of his travel to Europe for another critical business meeting. The WG has made progress in the last 3 months and has published two RFCs (6705 and 6757). The I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-sipto-option is now awaiting IESG approval. Additionally the I-D: draft-ietf-netext-rfc5149bis has completed WG last call and will be sent to the IESG shortly. The working group I-D which specifies the logical interface was discussed at the meeting. There is still more work that needs to be done on this document. There is a fundamental difference of opinion on what this document really needs to capture and specify especially given that it is an informational specification. Authors and chairs will work on this and attempt to make progress. The flow mobility specification I-D (draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob) has been revised by Carlos Bernardos (Editor). However there are still some concerns by a WG member. We will setup an issue tracker for this I-D and resolve the issues through reviews and WG consensus. The prefix delegation I-D (draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip) is ready for submission and it will go to WG last call after the meeting. The QoS for PMIP6 I-D (draft-ietf-netext-pmip6-qos) also needs further reviews and updates. There are a lot of open questions and issues with this I-D at the moment. The authors mentioned that this I-D is also relevant to 3GPP specifications. Chairs think that more clarity is needed in terms of how QoS signaling is done with PMIP6 messages. Several new proposals were also put forth for consideration before the WG. The I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications proposes a method by which the LMA can send unsolicited messages to the MAG to change the status of a session or do other administrative things. This I-D is also needed by 3GPP and the 3GPP liason (Atle) has sent a request to the AD and the WG chairs. There is consensus in the WG to adopt this I-D. Chairs will do a consensus call on the mailing list and then move forward. A response to Atle (3GPP liason) will be proposed to Brian (AD) by the chairs. Other proposals including the applicability of QoS in a WiFi environment as well as Mobile MAG were discussed. Many of these are preliminary and will need more discussion and convincing on the mailing list before they can be considered. At the present time the working group is making good progress and there are no major concerns. -- Basavaraj Patil --14dae93405f348633204ce4b8840 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

---------- Forwarded message ----------<= br>From: Basavaraj Patil <bpatil1@gmail.com>=
Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:19 PM
Subject: Netext WG summary from IETF85
To: Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net>, int-ads@tools.ietf.org
Cc: netext-chairs@tools.ietf.org<= br>


Hi Brian,

Please find below the N= etext WG summary from IETF85.

Rgds,
-Raj=


Summary of Netext WG meeting = at IETF85
--------------------------------------

The Ne= text WG met at IETF85 on Monday November 5th from 1520-1720
PM. T= he meeting was chaired by Basavaraj Patil. Rajeev Koodli was
unable to attend this meeting because of his travel to Europe for
another critical business meeting.

The WG has mad= e progress in the last 3 months and has published two
RFCs (6705 = and 6757). The I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-sipto-option
is now awaiting IESG approval. Additionally the I-D:
draft-i= etf-netext-rfc5149bis has completed WG last call and will be
sent= to the IESG shortly.=A0

The working group I-D whi= ch specifies the logical interface was
discussed at the meeting. There is still more work that needs to be
done on this document. There is a fundamental difference of opinion= on
what this document really needs to capture and specify especi= ally
given that it is an informational specification. Authors and chairs
will work on this and attempt to make progress.

The flow mobility specification I-D (draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob= )
has been revised by Carlos Bernardos (Editor). However there are still=
some concerns by a WG member. We will setup an issue tracker for= this
I-D and resolve the issues through reviews and WG consensus= .=A0

The prefix delegation I-D (draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip) i= s ready for
submission and it will go to WG last call after the m= eeting.=A0

The QoS for PMIP6 I-D (draft-ietf-netex= t-pmip6-qos) also needs further
reviews and updates. There are a lot of open questions and issues with=
this I-D at the moment. The authors mentioned that this I-D is a= lso
relevant to 3GPP specifications. Chairs think that more clari= ty is
needed in terms of how QoS signaling is done with PMIP6 messages.=A0

Several new proposals were also put forth for consi= deration before the
WG. The I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-noti= fications proposes a
method by which the LMA can send unsolicited messages to the MAG to
change the status of a session or do other administrative things. T= his
I-D is also needed by 3GPP and the 3GPP liason (Atle) has sen= t a
request to the AD and the WG chairs. There is consensus in the WG to
adopt this I-D. Chairs will do a consensus call on the mailing lis= t
and then move forward. A response to Atle (3GPP liason) will be=
proposed to Brian (AD) by the chairs.

Other p= roposals including the applicability of QoS in a WiFi
environment= as well as Mobile MAG were discussed. Many of these are
prelimin= ary and will need more discussion and convincing on the
mailing list before they can be considered.

A= t the present time the working group is making good progress and
= there are no major concerns.




--
Basavaraj Patil
--14dae93405f348633204ce4b8840-- From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Mon Nov 12 11:16:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C4721F8696; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:16:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.532 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.532 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07LEoX3SA5JI; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1CA21F8652; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:16:33 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.36 Message-ID: <20121112191633.16789.58913.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:16:33 -0800 Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: [netext] Last Call: (IPv4 Traffic Offload Selector Option for Proxy Mobile IPv6) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:16:34 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Network-Based Mobility Extensions WG (netext) to consider the following document: - 'IPv4 Traffic Offload Selector Option for Proxy Mobile IPv6' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-11-26. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This specification defines a traffic offload mechanism and a related mobility option for carrying IPv4 Offload traffic selectors between a mobile access gateway and a local mobility anchor in a Proxy Mobile IPv6 domain. Based on the negotiated IPv4 traffic offload flow selectors with the local mobility anchor, a mobile access gateway can enable offload traffic rule on the selected IPv4 flows. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-sipto-option/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-sipto-option/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From bpatil1@gmail.com Mon Nov 12 19:11:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008811F0C5C for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:11:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2nzZ4yPUyGhD for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0824A1F0C4A for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:11:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so11182914iec.31 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:11:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SsnCGkAafm9zHXvlMLDBvO02CvqKqwic7giRNbG1M7Y=; b=juNJrVJYKGTLEmCeIwHLjv0u+JCwlxtEqLgmnD/qOdFU9FSbI0CfayDJcDdFLKn/pr Dkm8cfhn25ee0tr8uAwhvefuq5DJVp5gm7W5GTfR85EzmojKyyrimbl3RPvX9FKs+Udk Ibwt8wHusFUrdJyrEAuWpVNnfg/PWmRvowzlAupeKXX4PnSswabijgTROSYNDNAqsq9L i9unAmQBE284XOJ9xCaJHTHOGbIm+PhXW1l+/H80Ob08epHtj/35Vjqz3QcFnf3fQy7N RmoH5tZgR6OL0qaZ3820aQUQsJTwtxbM/MzXOeBgsP40Hqy9cg3BnbzBS8yhGhSMhOxi MAqg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.13.138 with SMTP id h10mr9888240igc.55.1352776296390; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.101.197 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:11:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:11:36 -0600 Message-ID: From: Basavaraj Patil To: netext@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044468e39b5ed404ce57c632 Cc: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org Subject: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:11:39 -0000 --f46d044468e39b5ed404ce57c632 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 was presented at the WG meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta). There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in favor of, None against). Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG document. Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a working group document? Yes: [ ] No : [ ] Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the relevance of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback from the AD and the chairs about its status. Abstract Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility management protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its participation in any mobility-related signaling. This document proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchronously notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the mobility session. This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012. -Chairs --f46d044468e39b5ed404ce57c632 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 <draft-krishnan= -netext-update-notifications> was presented at the WG meeting at IETF85 = (Atlanta).
There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG doc= ument (11 in favor of, None against).

Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG doc= ument.

Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-nete= xt-update-notifications as a working group document?

Yes:=A0 [=A0 ]<= br> No :=A0 [=A0 ]

Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF ha= s indicated the relevance of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiti= ng feedback from the AD and the chairs about its status.

Abstract
=A0=A0 Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility managemen= t
=A0=A0 protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring = its
=A0=A0 participation in any mobility-related signaling.=A0 This docu= ment
=A0=A0 proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynch= ronously
=A0=A0 notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the
=A0= =A0 mobility session.

This consensus call will expire on November 26= th, 2012.

-Chairs

--f46d044468e39b5ed404ce57c632-- From pierrick.seite@orange.com Tue Nov 13 08:12:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DEB21F876A for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:12:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L6JTjyhf4Iec for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACB321F84C1 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:11:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from omfedm06.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.2]) by omfedm13.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id B4A3F3240A3; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:11:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.183]) by omfedm06.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 9687827C10E; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:11:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::81f:1640:4749:5d13]) by PEXCVZYH02.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:11:55 +0100 From: To: 'Basavaraj Patil' , "netext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications Thread-Index: AQHNwUyc3ZZFKQAKWE+Lu17O51jfg5fn8DrA Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:11:54 +0000 Message-ID: <14301_1352823115_50A2714B_14301_189_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.197.38.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73PEXCVZYM12corpora_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2012.10.24.110314 Cc: "draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:12:00 -0000 --_000_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73PEXCVZYM12corpora_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, My answer to the question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-n= etext-update-notifications as a working group document?: Yes: [ X ] BR , Pierrick De : netext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de= Basavaraj Patil Envoy=E9 : mardi 13 novembre 2012 04:12 =C0 : netext@ietf.org Cc : draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org Objet : [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-not= ifications The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 was presented at the WG meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta). There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in f= avor of, None against). Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG documen= t. Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-noti= fications as a working group document? Yes: [ ] No : [ ] Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the releva= nce of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback from the A= D and the chairs about its status. Abstract Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility management protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its participation in any mobility-related signaling. This document proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchronously notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the mobility session. This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012. -Chairs ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, France Telecom - Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete al= tere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and dele= te this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, France Telecom - Orange is not liable for message= s that have been modified, changed or falsified. Thank you. --_000_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73PEXCVZYM12corpora_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

My answer to the question: Shou= ld the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a= working group document?:


Yes:  [ X ]

BR ,

Pierrick

 <= /p>

De : nete= xt-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Basavaraj Patil
Envoy=E9 : mardi 13 novembre 2012 04:12
=C0 : netext@ietf.org
Cc : draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org<= br> Objet : [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netex= t-update-notifications

 


The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 <draft-krishnan-net= ext-update-notifications> was presented at the WG meeting at IETF85 (Atl= anta).
There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in f= avor of, None against).

Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG documen= t.

Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-noti= fications as a working group document?

Yes:  [  ]
No :  [  ]

Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the releva= nce of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback from the A= D and the chairs about its status.

Abstract

   Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility managem= ent
   protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring= its
   participation in any mobility-related signaling.  This do= cument
   proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchro= nously
   notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the<= br>    mobility session.

This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012.

-Chairs

______________________________________________________________________=
___________________________________________________

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--_000_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73PEXCVZYM12corpora_-- From sgundave@cisco.com Tue Nov 13 08:14:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796CA21F877E for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:14:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pHP5EqZnFDTT for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C87F21F8770 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:14:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=13881; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1352823241; x=1354032841; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=LvbwchMfBfdwkjGd4gbPjY8PAk4I9GPLLUdFvRUNJQI=; b=ObyYPUIiWcFZTcN/88PemAZZSMhq3xbvuIog/w+IVNuBzy3jllB3IXcM NwqPlRptgmKaNupaHTQVFNljXj1BJZKn7ZDIj9Zr3oJTEedfRNXHy7TbC CdcefW2Nui7b5xCMnXYHVPaAzW8yq3avYwMEhPogfVUWRfURd5vNWCiTK k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAFAC9wolCtJXHB/2dsb2JhbABEgknBJIEIgh4BAQEEEgEKEEoCEgEIEQMBAgsdKBEUCQgCBAENBQgah1YDD5oTj2WGUA2JVItBaYVzYQOIJYwCjQeDJoFrgm+BZBce X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6894"; a="141919671" Received: from rcdn-core2-6.cisco.com ([173.37.113.193]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2012 16:13:58 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com [173.37.183.80]) by rcdn-core2-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qADGDwoD019656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:13:58 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com ([169.254.6.204]) by xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com ([173.37.183.80]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:13:58 -0600 From: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" To: "pierrick.seite@orange.com" , "'Basavaraj Patil'" , "netext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications Thread-Index: AQHNwbnijw1XT/HqVkyBHV4Ejv6/gw== Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:13:57 +0000 Message-ID: <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA80F5A15B3@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <14301_1352823115_50A2714B_14301_189_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 x-originating-ip: [10.21.94.209] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19360.002 x-tm-as-result: No--38.948900-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA80F5A15B3xmbalnx03ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:14:03 -0000 --_000_24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA80F5A15B3xmbalnx03ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My answer to the question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-n= etext-update-notifications as a working group document?: Yes: [ X ] This is a minor extension and is identified as a gap by 3GPP CT4 WG. Hopefu= lly, we can close this soon. From: "pierrick.seite@orange.com" > Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:11 AM To: 'Basavaraj Patil' >, "netex= t@ietf.org" > Cc: "draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-updat= e-notifications Hi, My answer to the question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-n= etext-update-notifications as a working group document?: Yes: [ X ] BR , Pierrick De : netext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext= -bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Basavaraj Patil Envoy=E9 : mardi 13 novembre 2012 04:12 =C0 : netext@ietf.org Cc : draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org Objet : [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-not= ifications The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 was presented at the WG meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta). There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in f= avor of, None against). Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG documen= t. Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-noti= fications as a working group document? Yes: [ ] No : [ ] Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the releva= nce of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback from the A= D and the chairs about its status. Abstract Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility management protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its participation in any mobility-related signaling. This document proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchronously notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the mobility session. 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My answer to the question: Should the Netext WG adopt = I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a working group document= ?:

Yes:  [ X ]


This is a minor extension and is identified as a gap b= y 3GPP CT4 WG. Hopefully, we can close this soon.





From: "pierrick.seite@orange.com" <pierrick.seite@orange.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:= 11 AM
To: 'Basavaraj Patil' <bpatil1@gmail.com>, "netext@ietf.org" <netext@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-krishnan-netext-u= pdate-notifications@tools.ietf.org" <draft-krishnan-netext-up= date-notifications@tools.ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus cal= l: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications

Hi,

 

My answer to the question: Shou= ld the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a= working group document?:


Yes:  [ X ]

BR ,

Pierrick

 

De : netext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Basavaraj Patil
Envoy=E9 : mardi 13 novembre 2012 04:12
=C0 : netext@ietf.org Cc : draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org
Objet : [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netex= t-update-notifications

 


The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 <draft-krishnan-net= ext-update-notifications> was presented at the WG meeting at IETF85 (Atl= anta).
There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in f= avor of, None against).

Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG documen= t.

Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-noti= fications as a working group document?

Yes:  [  ]
No :  [  ]

Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the releva= nce of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback from the A= D and the chairs about its status.

Abstract

   Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility managem= ent
   protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring= its
   participation in any mobility-related signaling.  This do= cument
   proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchro= nously
   notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the<= br>    mobility session.

This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012.

-Chairs

______________________________________________________________________=
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--_000_24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA80F5A15B3xmbalnx03ciscoc_-- From carlw@mcsr-labs.org Tue Nov 13 08:16:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE3221F8705 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:16:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j8en7AehjrOR for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail149c38.carrierzone.com (mail149c38.carrierzone.com [66.175.56.179]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3546E21F871A for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:16:10 -0800 (PST) X-Authenticated-User: carlw.mcsr-labs.org Received: from [10.0.0.2] (c-76-26-116-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.26.116.46]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail149c38.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qADGG2LB006191; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:16:04 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.13.0.110805 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:15:52 -0500 From: Carl Williams To: Basavaraj Patil , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3435650166_7431422" X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=o7lO6kWEL4L/PfaWQrxviZZmv9cSEjongez8MLKgMfw= c=1 sm=1 a=W-hxRJO8TvsA:10 a=WMVmSKuc5oYA:10 a=Gzqcop6RMF0A:10 a=WiTtp9uikyOPz/qaqt8fsw==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=B4hgXcfuPX9-s-Ri1rMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=d-MJUgN9tsJt5Nfdj5UA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=q8iK_gzt6WEr_S65:21 a=WiTtp9uikyOPz/qaqt8fsw==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A010201.50A27246.0051, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:16:13 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3435650166_7431422 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My answer to the question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a working group document?: Yes: [ X ] From: Basavaraj Patil Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:11:36 -0600 To: Cc: Subject: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 was presented at the WG meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta). There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in favor of, None against). Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG document. Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a working group document? Yes: [ ] No : [ ] Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the relevance of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback from the AD and the chairs about its status. Abstract Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility management protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its participation in any mobility-related signaling. This document proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchronously notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the mobility session. This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012. -Chairs _______________________________________________ netext mailing list netext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext --B_3435650166_7431422 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

My answer to the question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishna= n-netext-update-notifications as a working group document?:


Yes:  [ X ]


From: Basavaraj Patil <bpatil1@gmail.com>
Date: = Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:11:36 -0600
To: <netext@ietf.org>
Cc: <draft-krishnan-netext-update-notificati= ons@tools.ietf.org>
Subject: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notificati= ons


The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mob= ile IPv6 <draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications> was presented at= the WG meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta).
There was consensus in the room to a= dopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in favor of, None against).

Please= treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG document.
<= br>Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-no= tifications as a working group document?

Yes:  [  ]
No :  [  ]

Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the I= ETF has indicated the relevance of this I-D to their specifications and is a= waiting feedback from the AD and the chairs about its status.

Abstrac= t

   Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility= management
   protocol that enables IP mobility for a host wit= hout requiring its
   participation in any mobility-related sig= naling.  This document
   proposes a mechanism for the Loc= al Mobility Anchor to asynchronously
   notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the<= br>   mobility session.

This consensus call will expire on = November 26th, 2012.

-Chairs

_______________________________________________ netext mailing list netext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org= /mailman/listinfo/netext --B_3435650166_7431422-- From yokota@kddilabs.jp Tue Nov 13 09:39:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC63921F8617 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:39:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4sPbuWaeFvtR for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp (mandala.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:12::16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BAD21F85E0 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC65174818B; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:39:38 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddilabs.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11rNYza-pUHh; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:39:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from ultra.mip.kddilabs.jp (ultra.mip.kddilabs.jp [172.19.90.145]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C0E17480E0; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:39:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from [10.8.0.6] (unknown [10.8.0.6]) by ultra.mip.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474121B867; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:36:59 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <50A285D3.2060306@kddilabs.jp> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:39:31 +0900 From: Hidetoshi Yokota User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpatil1@gmail.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:39:49 -0000 Hi Raj, My answer to the question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft -krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a working group document?: Yes: [ X ] 3GPP needs this spec, so I do support this I-D and expect it to be published as soon as possible. Regards, -- Hidetoshi (2012/11/13 12:11), Basavaraj Patil wrote: > > The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 > was presented at the WG > meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta). > There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 > in favor of, None against). > > Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG > document. > > Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: > draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a working group document? > > Yes: [ ] > No : [ ] > > Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the > relevance of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback > from the AD and the chairs about its status. > > Abstract > > Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility management > protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its > participation in any mobility-related signaling. This document > proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchronously > notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the > mobility session. > > This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012. > > -Chairs > > > > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > From John.Kaippallimalil@huawei.com Tue Nov 13 09:43:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479D921F86B2 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:43:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T6SPHmrqqUWx for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:43:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A0021F86A4 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:43:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ALM52459; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:43:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:43:32 +0000 Received: from DFWEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:43:41 +0000 Received: from DFWEML511-MBB.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.134]) by dfweml408-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.134]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:43:35 -0800 From: John Kaippallimalil To: Basavaraj Patil , "netext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications Thread-Index: AQHNwUyfiekk/yOcfUu2dIq5cGBWu5foCcNw Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:43:34 +0000 Message-ID: <6561EABF52675C45BCDACA1B4D7AA1171493BF@dfweml511-mbb.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.129.48] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6561EABF52675C45BCDACA1B4D7AA1171493BFdfweml511mbbchina_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:43:51 -0000 --_000_6561EABF52675C45BCDACA1B4D7AA1171493BFdfweml511mbbchina_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, My response to the question: Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-noti= fications as a working group document? Yes: [ X ] Best regards, John From: netext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of= Basavaraj Patil Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 9:12 PM To: netext@ietf.org Cc: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org Subject: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-no= tifications The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 was presented at the WG meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta). There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in f= avor of, None against). Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG documen= t. Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-noti= fications as a working group document? Yes: [ ] No : [ ] Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the releva= nce of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback from the A= D and the chairs about its status. Abstract Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility management protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its participation in any mobility-related signaling. This document proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchronously notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the mobility session. This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012. -Chairs --_000_6561EABF52675C45BCDACA1B4D7AA1171493BFdfweml511mbbchina_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

My response to the questi= on:

Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-kris= hnan-netext-update-notifications as a working group document?

Yes:  [ X ]

 <= /p>

Best regards,<= /span>

John

 <= /p>

From: netext-b= ounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Basavaraj Patil
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 9:12 PM
To: netext@ietf.org
Cc: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-up= date-notifications

 


The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 <draft-krishnan-net= ext-update-notifications> was presented at the WG meeting at IETF85 (Atl= anta).
There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in f= avor of, None against).

Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG documen= t.

Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-noti= fications as a working group document?

Yes:  [  ]
No :  [  ]

Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the releva= nce of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback from the A= D and the chairs about its status.

Abstract

   Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility managem= ent
   protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring= its
   participation in any mobility-related signaling.  This do= cument
   proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchro= nously
   notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the<= br>    mobility session.

This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012.

-Chairs

--_000_6561EABF52675C45BCDACA1B4D7AA1171493BFdfweml511mbbchina_-- From denghui02@gmail.com Tue Nov 13 12:17:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E9A21F8634 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:17:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XzsKQmtahqpT for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:17:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com (mail-qc0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE7B21F873F for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id b25so5252652qca.31 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:17:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Wlg/JY7IINTMqypcK87okdOf99DQaKqnSP8zDlbeLMY=; b=KaCGp/Ih9Nm7GiYeOHpgfVwVfv7kVEZh0JBBYkmJuFjNJOAo7F6eKoFh1puiz5qLj4 z/owFIZDYnK1RA9g18mqyN3GHF0rkQqWUbRHV0vvuCni9t5YlAd9kf4vQu8SwAOSDZdS 4RYvC2teRagH912xBwO/0oNCX4/IsWsXGXNuUqp1P2vqINqf2G76D8nFmmJUvHdKiOrw E+dK/PCduiRIQepKLtNTABiPGbwkjqYaCVcABQFUEbqWim4fDw2hIO05pWupuaBIIlRv E80JmqZm+a2Lkkq53ytlTwgq4eLK7U05JJbceGh6wxL/BtxJQ5aHYJKJSdy5ZwcS/LUG qDiQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.28.168 with SMTP id c8mr20978142qeh.62.1352837840314; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.97.4 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:17:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:17:20 -0600 Message-ID: From: Hui Deng To: Basavaraj Patil Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdc0fa4e9211704ce661a38 Cc: netext@ietf.org, draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:17:22 -0000 --047d7bdc0fa4e9211704ce661a38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes: [ *] -Hui 2012/11/12 Basavaraj Patil > > The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 > was presented at the WG > meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta). > There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in > favor of, None against). > > Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG > document. > > Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: > draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a working group document? > > Yes: [ ] > No : [ ] > > Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the > relevance of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback from > the AD and the chairs about its status. > > Abstract > > Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility management > protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its > participation in any mobility-related signaling. This document > proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchronously > notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the > mobility session. > > This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012. > > -Chairs > > > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > > --047d7bdc0fa4e9211704ce661a38 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes: [ *]
-Hui
201= 2/11/12 Basavaraj Patil <bpatil1@gmail.com>

The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 <draft-krishnan= -netext-update-notifications> was presented at the WG meeting at IETF85 = (Atlanta).
There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG doc= ument (11 in favor of, None against).

Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG doc= ument.

Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-nete= xt-update-notifications as a working group document?

Yes:=A0 [=A0 ]<= br> No :=A0 [=A0 ]

Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF ha= s indicated the relevance of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiti= ng feedback from the AD and the chairs about its status.

Abstract
=A0=A0 Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility managemen= t
=A0=A0 protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring = its
=A0=A0 participation in any mobility-related signaling.=A0 This docu= ment
=A0=A0 proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynch= ronously
=A0=A0 notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the
=A0= =A0 mobility session.

This consensus call will expire on November 26= th, 2012.

-Chairs


_______________________________________________
netext mailing list
netext@ietf.org = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext


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Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.85.26 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:38:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <14301_1352823115_50A2714B_14301_189_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <14301_1352823115_50A2714B_14301_189_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:38:08 -0600 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: pierrick.seite@orange.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:38:11 -0000 Yes for me too. Behcet On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:11 AM, wrote: > Hi, > > > > My answer to the question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: > draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a working group document?: > > > Yes: [ X ] > > BR , > > Pierrick > > > > De : netext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] De la part = de > Basavaraj Patil > Envoy=E9 : mardi 13 novembre 2012 04:12 > =C0 : netext@ietf.org > Cc : draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org > Objet : [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D > draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications > > > > > The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 > was presented at the WG meet= ing > at IETF85 (Atlanta). > There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in > favor of, None against). > > Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG > document. > > Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: > draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a working group document? > > Yes: [ ] > No : [ ] > > Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the > relevance of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback fr= om > the AD and the chairs about its status. > > Abstract > > Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility management > protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its > participation in any mobility-related signaling. This document > proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchronously > notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the > mobility session. > > This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012. > > -Chairs > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez re= cu > ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages > electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > France Telecom - Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete > altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. > > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged > information that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and > delete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, France Telecom - Orange is not liable for messa= ges > that have been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > > > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > From Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu Wed Nov 14 06:13:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5332921F855E for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:13:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.466 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.466 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.133, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RlAFDDCvs+rd for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803B521F8528 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC50102567; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:13:45 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eH1QsxvZWopv; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:13:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from METHONE.office.hd (methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1493102564; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:13:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from HYDRA.office.hd ([169.254.4.183]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:13:08 +0100 From: Marco Liebsch To: Basavaraj Patil , "netext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications Thread-Index: AQHNwUygS3xMoCnzvkGu+d3WYCHzx5fpYRSQ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:12:24 +0000 Message-ID: <69756203DDDDE64E987BC4F70B71A26D551460EB@Hydra.office.hd> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.6.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:13:48 -0000 Question that has been asked: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishna= n-netext-update- notifications as a working group document? My answer: Yes: [X] No : [ ] marco >-----Original Message----- >From: netext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf O= f >Basavaraj Patil >Sent: Dienstag, 13. November 2012 04:12 >To: netext@ietf.org >Cc: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org >Subject: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update- >notifications > > >The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 update-notifications> was presented at the WG meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta). >There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in >favor of, None against). > >Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG docume= nt. > >Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update- >notifications as a working group document? > >Yes: [ ] >No : [ ] > >Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the relev= ance >of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback from the AD a= nd the >chairs about its status. > >Abstract > > Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility management > protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its > participation in any mobility-related signaling. This document > proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchronously > notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the > mobility session. > >This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012. > >-Chairs > From Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Wed Nov 14 07:37:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC5E21F8559 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:37:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xLFGn5ah2yIl for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tcmail43.telekom.de (tcmail43.telekom.de [80.149.113.173]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE4D21F8556 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:37:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from he113472.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.130]) by tcmail41.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 14 Nov 2012 16:37:22 +0100 Received: from HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.124]) by HE113472.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([::1]) with mapi; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:37:22 +0100 From: To: , Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:37:20 +0100 Thread-Topic: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications Thread-Index: AQHNwUygS3xMoCnzvkGu+d3WYCHzx5fpYRSQgAAXZWA= Message-ID: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A27E24DBB04@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: <69756203DDDDE64E987BC4F70B71A26D551460EB@Hydra.office.hd> In-Reply-To: <69756203DDDDE64E987BC4F70B71A26D551460EB@Hydra.office.hd> Accept-Language: en-US, de-DE Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:37:26 -0000 Hi, As most others I agree that this is no heavy protocol change and 3GPP asks = for it, so on Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update- notifications as a working group document? My answer: Yes: [X ] No : [ ] Best regards Dirk >-----Original Message----- >From: netext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf O= f >Basavaraj Patil >Sent: Dienstag, 13. November 2012 04:12 >To: netext@ietf.org >Cc: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org >Subject: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update- >notifications > > >The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 update-notifications> was presented at the WG meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta). >There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in >favor of, None against). > >Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG docume= nt. > >Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update- >notifications as a working group document? > >Yes: [ ] >No : [ ] > >Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the relev= ance >of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback from the AD a= nd the >chairs about its status. > >Abstract > > Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility management > protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its > participation in any mobility-related signaling. This document > proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchronously > notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the > mobility session. > >This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012. > >-Chairs > _______________________________________________ netext mailing list netext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Wed Nov 14 13:43:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADFF21F85EB for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:43:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.582 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.582 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fcft-fPL6Zyr for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D901521F8490 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so1485524iec.31 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:43:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FkeCytR0Iz+l0Gmyhoxn/njfBZMVoU1RANkaWMTCH+Y=; b=Iu9yS1iNfIdht0QpX9OGbkbhGNSm/iaKBZXDpPL//b+7P00MSJZlAgAg9jyhCQdAbA zj7vjFbEzLFhlmlkPZei3c18xWvvf+AhgKVQKdxAytUprc7e9cGl65JYwLMuxrhEZuJQ eIfQfu5oRK0CqyQmon9L50EvhG61hcccQO509gJJ7UoJTJNBWzHyLgosnGm4nBNyw15z Yb2sXUBHf116yliYEfgMO1aXWno4FVWY3eHxkKkoozOYzRVgpyOB08gCZiAOrcoeECk0 7Oz90669iCtzK4ax35x3Xb/hUjYKBLdSrKS6Uz/bG/phuQXT7ozGDZc9Nqgyu01dzI5N mCxA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.16.177 with SMTP id h17mr668730igd.37.1352929384520; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.85.26 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:43:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA80F5A15B3@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> References: <14301_1352823115_50A2714B_14301_189_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA80F5A15B3@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:43:04 -0600 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:43:06 -0000 > This is a minor extension and is identified as a gap by 3GPP CT4 WG. Did they send an LS? Regards, Behcet From brian@innovationslab.net Wed Nov 14 14:04:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E36C21F881B for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:04:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.413 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.413 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zsq29Lv0bVjO for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com (uillean.fuaim.com [206.197.161.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4275F21F8819 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (clairseach-high.fuaim.com [206.197.161.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3DE880A0 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from clemson.local (c-69-140-213-249.hsd1.md.comcast.net [69.140.213.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by clairseach.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78F514003B for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:04:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50A41580.3070901@innovationslab.net> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:04:48 -0500 From: Brian Haberman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netext@ietf.org References: <14301_1352823115_50A2714B_14301_189_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA80F5A15B3@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:04:48 -0000 On 11/14/12 4:43 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> This is a minor extension and is identified as a gap by 3GPP CT4 WG. > > Did they send an LS? An informal one, yes. > > Regards, > > Behcet > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Wed Nov 14 14:25:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E51F21F84D3 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:25:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.583 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.583 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8bS-gLQKe8te for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA7F21F88A7 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so1546506iec.31 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:25:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ftsmHN13z2s9fquhjKG53rHwxxmjkMJ7+PjhOpBOwM8=; b=p9nI6nTindNWQ6SDPB2XBcTfwpE+sK7O2UBiGorqsT4glIuAVi03e60MmoXKH+6Iva c1IeBWouEz3gGJ+BbrsxOUxVe2FczF9ctSkGzXJ5e4DWN39P/CDDlTJ2VdsAvICcPq4P OTgGNxVKcBpBuJzTLMq3FrZBHnmhSXpUOe5IAXo8w75T4oAGxuV9rfvwt32mKsBxUCMH vFGIx6bhjisjV3QED362DFDZ8s2acky3Xl38N5zpxaj1QTNaaAHBPiP3CMu4XWTAfDgF 0TVdJDiDD020QyWFaMh3QtnUGHOuZ1+QoOxjkJbVEKF4O3KzV2wmQOA/lcFoRgWfWxi7 BPeg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.173.37 with SMTP id bh5mr777870igc.45.1352931930461; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.85.26 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:25:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50A41580.3070901@innovationslab.net> References: <14301_1352823115_50A2714B_14301_189_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA80F5A15B3@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> <50A41580.3070901@innovationslab.net> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:25:30 -0600 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: Brian Haberman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:25:36 -0000 Thanks Brian, I did not know about that. Regards, Behcet On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Brian Haberman wrote: > On 11/14/12 4:43 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >>> >>> This is a minor extension and is identified as a gap by 3GPP CT4 WG. >> >> >> Did they send an LS? > > > An informal one, yes. > >> >> Regards, >> >> Behcet >> >> _______________________________________________ >> netext mailing list >> netext@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext >> > > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext From amuhanna@awardsolutions.com Wed Nov 14 14:28:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0CB21F8849 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:28:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y65qC9RvRZCs for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod8og105.obsmtp.com (exprod8og105.obsmtp.com [64.18.3.90]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E9721F8843 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.awardsolutions.com ([66.142.250.98]) (using TLSv1) by exprod8ob105.postini.com ([64.18.7.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUKQa84HeyHdiA2vOjnLnP3WVa8t0nIH/@postini.com; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:28:05 PST Received: from REDWOOD.usa.awardsolutions.com ([fe80::49e1:b469:c7ad:bab1]) by Redwood.usa.awardsolutions.com ([fe80::49e1:b469:c7ad:bab1%11]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:26:50 -0600 From: Ahmad Muhanna To: Brian Haberman , "netext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [neatest] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-Krishnan-neatest-update-notifications Thread-Index: AQHNwrcjoyk9RzBeS0+BmNsAMaO5xg== Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:26:49 +0000 Message-ID: <3359F724933DFD458579D24EAC76909859D715D8@Redwood.usa.awardsolutions.com> References: <14301_1352823115_50A2714B_14301_189_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA80F5A15B3@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> <50A41580.3070901@innovationslab.net> In-Reply-To: <50A41580.3070901@innovationslab.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.25.208.43] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [netext] [neatest] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-Krishnan-neatest-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:28:06 -0000 Hi Brian, When you say an informal LS, can you please elaborate? Best Regards, Ahmad -----Original Message----- From: netext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of= Brian Haberman Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:05 PM To: netext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-updat= e-notifications On 11/14/12 4:43 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> This is a minor extension and is identified as a gap by 3GPP CT4 WG. > > Did they send an LS? An informal one, yes. > > Regards, > > Behcet > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > _______________________________________________ netext mailing list netext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext From seiljeon@av.it.pt Wed Nov 14 15:37:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0555A21F84EC for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:37:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.69 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=1.908] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zHs7NSa02kza for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:37:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from av.it.pt (mail.av.it.pt [193.136.92.53]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57BF21F85EB for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2.81.148.152] (account seiljeon@av.it.pt HELO ATNoGSeil) by av.it.pt (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTPSA id 67031447 for netext@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:37:30 +0000 From: "Seil Jeon" To: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:37:46 -0000 Message-ID: <001801cdc2c1$0dafbcb0$290f3610$@av.it.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CDC2C1.0DB206A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac3CwPsPMShSHg46SLyO9LYaCI8LVw== Content-Language: ko Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:37:36 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CDC2C1.0DB206A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also support this. Yes: [ * ] Seil From: netext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Basavaraj Patil Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:12 AM To: netext@ietf.org Cc: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org Subject: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 was presented at the WG meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta). There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in favor of, None against). Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG document. Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a working group document? Yes: [ ] No : [ ] Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the relevance of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback from the AD and the chairs about its status. Abstract Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility management protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its participation in any mobility-related signaling. This document proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchronously notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the mobility session. This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012. -Chairs ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CDC2C1.0DB206A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I also = support this.

 

Yes:  [ * ]

Seil

 

From:= = netext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Basavaraj Patil
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:12 = AM
To: netext@ietf.org
Cc: = draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org
Subject:<= /b> [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D = draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications

 


The I-D = : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 = <draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications> was presented at the = WG meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta).
There was consensus in the room to = adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in favor of, None = against).

Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this = I-D as a WG document.

Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: = draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a working group = document?

Yes:  [  ]
No :  [  = ]

Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has = indicated the relevance of this I-D to their specifications and is = awaiting feedback from the AD and the chairs about its = status.

Abstract

   Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) = is a network based mobility management
   protocol that = enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its
   = participation in any mobility-related signaling.  This = document
   proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility = Anchor to asynchronously
   notify the Mobile Access = Gateway about changes related to the
   mobility = session.

This consensus call will expire on November 26th, = 2012.

-Chairs

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Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:22:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50A4ECA6.8060204@innovationslab.net> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:22:46 -0500 From: Brian Haberman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ahmad Muhanna References: <14301_1352823115_50A2714B_14301_189_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA80F5A15B3@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> <50A41580.3070901@innovationslab.net> <3359F724933DFD458579D24EAC76909859D715D8@Redwood.usa.awardsolutions.com> In-Reply-To: <3359F724933DFD458579D24EAC76909859D715D8@Redwood.usa.awardsolutions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "netext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] [neatest] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-Krishnan-neatest-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:22:46 -0000 Hi Ahmad, On 11/14/12 5:26 PM, Ahmad Muhanna wrote: > Hi Brian, > > When you say an informal LS, can you please elaborate? > Sure. The 3GPP CT chairman sent an e-mail to the NETEXT chairs, the draft authors, and me asking about the status of the draft since there was a dependency on it within 3GPP. Regards, Brian From suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com Thu Nov 15 07:48:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6589E21F85E3 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:48:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GoaPCBcoo8dP for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:48:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from imr3.ericy.com (imr3.ericy.com [198.24.6.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E3E21F859D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:48:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) by imr3.ericy.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qAFFmn8n003731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:48:55 -0600 Received: from [164.48.125.56] (147.117.20.214) by smtps-am.internal.ericsson.com (147.117.20.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.279.1; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:48:39 -0500 Message-ID: <50A50ECE.1090601@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:48:30 -0500 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121028 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ahmad Muhanna References: <14301_1352823115_50A2714B_14301_189_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA80F5A15B3@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> <50A41580.3070901@innovationslab.net> <3359F724933DFD458579D24EAC76909859D715D8@Redwood.usa.awardsolutions.com> In-Reply-To: <3359F724933DFD458579D24EAC76909859D715D8@Redwood.usa.awardsolutions.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "netext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] [neatest] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-Krishnan-neatest-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:48:59 -0000 Hi Ahmad, There was an email from the 3GPP CT chair to the ADs, chairs and the authors that this draft has been added to the 3GPP dependency list http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/information/WORK_PLAN/Work_plan_3gpp_120930.zip and wanted to know if there was any progress and/or showstoppers on this document. 3GPP has also appointed the CT4 vice-chair as the shepherd for this document. Thanks Suresh On 11/14/2012 05:26 PM, Ahmad Muhanna wrote: > Hi Brian, > > When you say an informal LS, can you please elaborate? > > > Best Regards, > Ahmad > > -----Original Message----- > From: netext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Haberman > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:05 PM > To: netext@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications > > On 11/14/12 4:43 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >>> This is a minor extension and is identified as a gap by 3GPP CT4 WG. >> >> Did they send an LS? > > An informal one, yes. > >> >> Regards, >> >> Behcet >> _______________________________________________ >> netext mailing list >> netext@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext >> > > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > From trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Thu Nov 15 09:29:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F16121F8A15 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:29:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wkk9p8tmSENS for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [77.72.230.30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC0521F89CA for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:29:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58407 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1TZ3Fs-0000aH-So; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:29:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "netext issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, bpatil1@gmail.com X-Trac-Project: netext Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:29:32 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/netext/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/netext/trac/ticket/10 Message-ID: <058.13a228c2f486e4790b89f4573a8d068d@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 10 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, bpatil1@gmail.com, netext@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es Resent-Message-Id: <20121115172945.7FC0521F89CA@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:29:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: [netext] #10: Flow mobility I-D issues X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:29:46 -0000 #10: Flow mobility I-D issues At IETF85 the chairs concluded that the pending issues with the flow mobility I-D would be resolved using an issue tracker. This tracker will be used to resolve and close all issues w.r.t this I-D. -- -------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-netext- bpatil1@gmail.com | pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Component: | Version: pmipv6-flowmob | Keywords: Severity: Active WG | Document | -------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Ticket URL: netext From bpatil1@gmail.com Thu Nov 15 09:33:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421D621F89CD for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:33:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x7ed-UhcPuS6 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39B621F8A01 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so2759592iec.31 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:33:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cBHZJGB+2uRDUZ7q8moHc/yx2hSg5XcqlLUKd/OV22k=; b=E4WQAuSEwfvhQQHa+nlBgQMyFEi4nxxOT4VGO2xzE00px+TOTLxvvNuT8FZT/T/3xn p1sTzUzgv+5+ZZ7nSmmLnzsOo3vzB3pBRF6rj/E1dIgmKe+7F3GAl38eSB9aUqeoZfAW NqpRTb5z3REZ7+6Qti2YwFokHACLc9So5NMClVXhqRULhTfzKgpNtpavmm073UErLAp0 x9nuKePXDnpNfqsmpEn06GHJ6L7eEXuhjfSheWukwVsymR74857+PSjdkIDx74uVrZNf I1NXvrflSF891ExQ4pRxlZxW4vzIB6YAJMpc9HSb6hzQx9QLO+8tMs6yOUbH6uk7i9dv 6Mcw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.15.134 with SMTP id x6mr648248igc.27.1353000815279; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.101.197 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:33:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:33:35 -0600 Message-ID: From: Basavaraj Patil To: netext@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340c47f9be6304ce8c0c18 Cc: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org Subject: [netext] Issue tracker for I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:33:36 -0000 --14dae9340c47f9be6304ce8c0c18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 At the WG meeting during IETF85 the chairs agreed to use the issue tracker to resolve all open and pending issues with the WG I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob . Please submit issues via the tracker: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/netext/trac/newticket# The editor (Carlos) and co-authors of the I-D will resolve the issues. Chairs will intervene as needed to close the issues and seek consensus as needed from the WG. -Raj --14dae9340c47f9be6304ce8c0c18 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

At the WG meeting during IETF85 the chairs agreed to use the= issue tracker to resolve all open and pending issues with the WG I-D:=A0draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flo= wmob.

Please submit issues via the tracker:
=A0http://tools.ietf.org/= wg/netext/trac/newticket#

The edit= or (Carlos) and co-authors of the I-D will resolve the issues. Chairs will = intervene as needed to close the issues and seek consensus as needed from t= he WG.

-Raj

--14dae9340c47f9be6304ce8c0c18-- From cjbc@it.uc3m.es Thu Nov 15 14:16:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C39C21F8A15 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:16:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.492 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.492 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.207, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L7VUmFh7W9kQ for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:16:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp02.uc3m.es (smtp02.uc3m.es [163.117.176.132]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F0B21F8993 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:16:46 -0800 (PST) X-uc3m-safe: yes Received: from [192.168.1.3] (89.141.95.213.dyn.user.ono.com [89.141.95.213]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: cjbc@smtp02.uc3m.es) by smtp02.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 91DCD76B65C; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:16:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1353017804.31638.17.camel@acorde.it.uc3m.es> From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Bernardos Cano To: Basavaraj Patil Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:16:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Universidad Carlos III de Madrid Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-8RpwQSy7kiyNaRr9Yw6b" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1224-6.8.0.1017-19370.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--3.851-7.0-31-1 X-imss-scan-details: No--3.851-7.0-31-1 Cc: netext@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] Issue tracker for I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:16:47 -0000 --=-8RpwQSy7kiyNaRr9Yw6b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Raj, Thanks! I hope we can now make fast progress towards completion of the document. Thanks, Carlos On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 11:33 -0600, Basavaraj Patil wrote: >=20 >=20 > At the WG meeting during IETF85 the chairs agreed to use the issue > tracker to resolve all open and pending issues with the WG > I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob. >=20 >=20 > Please submit issues via the tracker: > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/netext/trac/newticket# >=20 >=20 > The editor (Carlos) and co-authors of the I-D will resolve the issues. > Chairs will intervene as needed to close the issues and seek consensus > as needed from the WG. >=20 >=20 > -Raj >=20 >=20 --=20 Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano http://www.netcom.it.uc3m.es/ GPG FP: D29B 0A6A 639A A561 93CA 4D55 35DC BA4D D170 4F67 --=-8RpwQSy7kiyNaRr9Yw6b Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAlClacwACgkQNdy6TdFwT2dp0ACghQCGmHgHv+N/pC8vuW8Xybxo PwIAniL4N9c86BmEabUKzRVNs9n1yifr =plsg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-8RpwQSy7kiyNaRr9Yw6b-- From amuhanna@awardsolutions.com Mon Nov 19 07:13:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BB921F8683 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:13:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PLzy1wRS7nTr for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod8og116.obsmtp.com (exprod8og116.obsmtp.com [64.18.3.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B7A21F8685 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.awardsolutions.com ([66.142.250.98]) (using TLSv1) by exprod8ob116.postini.com ([64.18.7.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUKpMoCxNYgoo+hy+JBi1nx75axCM3x5F@postini.com; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:13:37 PST Received: from REDWOOD.usa.awardsolutions.com ([fe80::49e1:b469:c7ad:bab1]) by Redwood.usa.awardsolutions.com ([fe80::49e1:b469:c7ad:bab1%11]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:12:19 -0600 From: Ahmad Muhanna To: Brian Haberman Thread-Topic: [neatest] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-Krishnan-neatest-update-notifications Thread-Index: AQHNwzQiLOliTJCTXESIoqaGtJU8HJfxSdng Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:12:18 +0000 Message-ID: <3359F724933DFD458579D24EAC76909870FB61B9@Redwood.usa.awardsolutions.com> References: <14301_1352823115_50A2714B_14301_189_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA80F5A15B3@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> <50A41580.3070901@innovationslab.net> <3359F724933DFD458579D24EAC76909859D715D8@Redwood.usa.awardsolutions.com> <50A4ECA6.8060204@innovationslab.net> In-Reply-To: <50A4ECA6.8060204@innovationslab.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.25.208.83] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "netext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] [neatest] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-Krishnan-neatest-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:13:38 -0000 Thanks Brian for the clarification! I just was not familiar with 3GPP sending an informal LS.=20 My understanding, 3GPP is very careful when talking about LS'es; i.e., ther= e is formal LS or something else. :-) Thanks! Regards, Ahmad -----Original Message----- From: Brian Haberman [mailto:brian@innovationslab.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:23 AM To: Ahmad Muhanna Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [neatest] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-Krishnan-neatest-upd= ate-notifications Hi Ahmad, On 11/14/12 5:26 PM, Ahmad Muhanna wrote: > Hi Brian, > > When you say an informal LS, can you please elaborate? > Sure. The 3GPP CT chairman sent an e-mail to the NETEXT chairs, the draft = authors, and me asking about the status of the draft since there was a depe= ndency on it within 3GPP. Regards, Brian From amuhanna@awardsolutions.com Mon Nov 19 07:16:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2BF21F8481 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:16:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sIl6d0TJNKZx for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod8og107.obsmtp.com (exprod8og107.obsmtp.com [64.18.3.94]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C0821F85C2 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.awardsolutions.com ([66.142.250.98]) (using TLSv1) by exprod8ob107.postini.com ([64.18.7.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUKpNKmT9xZefcYuKbFyyBN7EMGvOV5C1@postini.com; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:16:03 PST Received: from REDWOOD.usa.awardsolutions.com ([fe80::49e1:b469:c7ad:bab1]) by Redwood.usa.awardsolutions.com ([fe80::49e1:b469:c7ad:bab1%11]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:14:38 -0600 From: Ahmad Muhanna To: Suresh Krishnan Thread-Topic: [netext] [neatest] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-Krishnan-neatest-update-notifications Thread-Index: AQHNw0iNQl8cOjCFIUCd65Y4dLcD6JfxStrQ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:14:37 +0000 Message-ID: <3359F724933DFD458579D24EAC76909870FB61DF@Redwood.usa.awardsolutions.com> References: <14301_1352823115_50A2714B_14301_189_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7105CF73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA80F5A15B3@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> <50A41580.3070901@innovationslab.net> <3359F724933DFD458579D24EAC76909859D715D8@Redwood.usa.awardsolutions.com> <50A50ECE.1090601@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <50A50ECE.1090601@ericsson.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.25.208.83] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "netext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] [neatest] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-Krishnan-neatest-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:16:05 -0000 Thanks Suresh! Regards, Ahmad -----Original Message----- From: Suresh Krishnan [mailto:suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:49 AM To: Ahmad Muhanna Cc: Brian Haberman; netext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] [neatest] Consensus call: Adopt I-D draft-Krishnan-ne= atest-update-notifications Hi Ahmad, There was an email from the 3GPP CT chair to the ADs, chairs and the auth= ors that this draft has been added to the 3GPP dependency list http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/information/WORK_PLAN/Work_plan_3gpp_120930.zip and wanted to know if there was any progress and/or showstoppers on this do= cument. 3GPP has also appointed the CT4 vice-chair as the shepherd for this= document. Thanks Suresh On 11/14/2012 05:26 PM, Ahmad Muhanna wrote: > Hi Brian, >=20 > When you say an informal LS, can you please elaborate? >=20 >=20 > Best Regards, > Ahmad >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: netext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On=20 > Behalf Of Brian Haberman > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:05 PM > To: netext@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call: Adopt I-D=20 > draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications >=20 > On 11/14/12 4:43 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >>> This is a minor extension and is identified as a gap by 3GPP CT4 WG. >> >> Did they send an LS? >=20 > An informal one, yes. >=20 >> >> Regards, >> >> Behcet >> _______________________________________________ >> netext mailing list >> netext@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext >> >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext >=20 From bpatil1@gmail.com Tue Nov 20 08:40:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F2C21F847F for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:40:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S03DoqJm2Rka for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6611021F8479 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id c13so1527384ieb.31 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:40:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Yra3HgmIgjmEs4Z2ezoQqFtIFpctcUc8ZLvXd/GPqz0=; b=unlhoh2nglYbPh2NddXPLrJhczjySSySGfWVOX4NgGhMBMsT0jvAcTGTQL468BTsIo IBLRINPTLm8Fw7NMQjlEZmXNnJ4D4426iK1o85oF52DK+up8LWoTmnLOzfWL4ty/pd/9 ceUJJ4vS69mWgCEveHh296Ynu5HFntnI+/LEf3YLv58GZhhIsn6hvZ46FfmxlMacgTfI 09vynA9LgjW+4JBdb/b5TsgFMO/zTu6X/JAZg5sndRKwcxXqhrYZrLLfpScMw447TeTT /zuPFeqZI/LkmF3xfy79AMV926NPCBjCDWXFVvI9EDqWaDuiung7O8d+jZvNnU8QCjfv QbLA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.134 with SMTP id v6mr10751560igm.55.1353429621676; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:40:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.101.197 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:40:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:40:21 -0600 Message-ID: From: Basavaraj Patil To: netext@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340f53d41a0404ceefe32f Cc: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org Subject: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:40:26 -0000 --14dae9340f53d41a0404ceefe32f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I-D: Prefix Delegation for Proxy Mobile IPv6 Issues: ------- 1. I-D states: "However, Proxy Mobile IPv6 does not support assigning a prefix to a router and managing its IP mobility." PMIP6 specifically mentions that the network based mobility solution is for a host (as defined in RFC3775). It would be useful to mention that this I-D is extending network based mobility support to routers as well. 2. "This document specifies an extension to Proxy Mobile IPv6 protocol for supporting network mobility using DHCPv6-based Prefix Delegation." Should it explicitly state that the extension to PMIP6 protocol is for enabling network mobility for routers? 3. "The mobility elements in the network allow the IP host to obtain an IPv4 address and/or a set of IPv6 addresses ..." MAG/LMA assign the host an IPv6 prefix. 4. Would be useful to mention how binding revocation is handled in the case of delegated prefixes to the MR. 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of packets via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that are derived from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there is added functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this. Editorial --------- s/Proxy Mobile IPv6 enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its participation in any mobility signaling, being the network responsible for managing IP mobility on behalf of the host./Proxy Mobile IPv6 enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its participation in any mobility signaling. Mobility agents within the network are responsible for managing IP mobility on behalf of the host. s/However, this network-based mobility management support is specific to an IP host and currently there is no such network-based mobility management support for a mobile router with a cluster of IP hosts behind it./However Proxy Mobile IPv6 support is specifically intended for a host. Mobile routers can also benefit from the network based mobility solution provided by Proxy Mobile IPv6. This document extends Proxy Mobile IPv6 support to Mobile routers as well. s/for its inside networks/for the networks subtending off the MR. s/just as how that is supported for Home Network prefixes/in a similar manner that the protocol supports hosts which are assigned home network prefixes. s/The mobile router forwards outgoing packets from its mobile network/The mobile router forwards outgoing or uplink packets from the networks that are subtending off it s/ and the MAG delivers the incoming packets to the mobile network/and the MAG delivers the downlink packets to the MR. s/to be able to intercept the related DHCPv6 message sourced from the mobile router /in order to intercept the related DHCPv6 message transmitted by the MR. s/If the network mobility service needs to be offered to the mobile router/If the network mobility service is authorized for the mobile router s/This requires the MAG to send a regular PBU to the LMA to register the location of the mobile router and set-up the bi-directional tunnel./This requires the MAG to send a regular PBU (with flag R set) to the LMA to register the mobile router and set-up the bi-directional tunnel. -Raj --14dae9340f53d41a0404ceefe32f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I-D: Prefix Delegation for Proxy Mobile IPv6
<draft-ietf-nete= xt-pd-pmip-05>


Issues:
-------
1. I-D states: "Ho= wever, Proxy Mobile IPv6 does not support assigning
a prefix to a router= and=A0 managing its IP mobility."

PMIP6 specifically mentions that the network based mobility solutionis for a host (as defined in RFC3775). It would be useful to mention
th= at this I-D is extending network based mobility support to routers
as we= ll.

2. "This document specifies an extension to
=A0=A0 Proxy Mobile= IPv6 protocol for supporting network mobility using
=A0=A0 DHCPv6-based= Prefix Delegation."

Should it explicitly state that the extens= ion to PMIP6 protocol is for
enabling network mobility for routers?

3. "The mobility element= s in the network allow the
=A0=A0 IP host to obtain an IPv4 address and/= or a set of IPv6 addresses
=A0=A0 ..."

MAG/LMA assign the ho= st an IPv6 prefix.

4. Would be useful to mention how binding revocation is handled in the<= br>case of delegated prefixes to the MR.

5. How does the MAG know th= at it needs to allow forwarding of packets
via the PMIP6 tunnel for pack= ets with SRC address that are derived
from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there is added
functionali= ty needed at the MAG to accomplish this.


Editorial
---------<= br>
s/Proxy Mobile IPv6 enables IP mobility for a host without requiring=
=A0=A0 its participation in any mobility signaling, being the network
= =A0=A0 responsible for managing IP mobility on behalf of the host./Proxy=A0=A0 Mobile IPv6 enables IP mobility for a host without requiring
= =A0=A0 its participation in any mobility signaling. Mobility agents within<= br> =A0=A0 the network are responsible for managing IP mobility on behalf of=A0=A0 the host.

s/However, this network-based mobility management = support is specific
=A0=A0 to an IP host and currently there is no such = network-based mobility
=A0=A0 management support for a mobile router with a cluster of IP hosts=A0=A0 behind it./However Proxy Mobile IPv6 support is specifically
=A0= =A0 intended for a host. Mobile routers can also benefit from the
=A0=A0= network based mobility solution provided by Proxy Mobile IPv6. This
=A0=A0 document extends Proxy Mobile IPv6 support to Mobile routers as
= =A0=A0 well.

s/for its inside networks/for the networks subtending o= ff the MR.

s/just as how that is supported for Home Network prefixes= /in a similar
manner that the protocol supports hosts which are assigned home
network = prefixes.

s/The mobile router forwards outgoing packets from its
= =A0=A0 mobile network/The mobile router forwards outgoing or uplink
=A0= =A0 packets from the networks that are subtending off it

s/ and the MAG
=A0=A0 delivers the incoming packets to the mobile ne= twork/and the MAG
=A0=A0 delivers the downlink packets to the MR.
s/to be able to intercept the related DHCPv6 message sourced from the
m= obile router /in order to intercept the related DHCPv6 message
transmitted by the MR.

s/If the network mobility service needs to be= offered to the mobile
=A0=A0 router/If the network mobility service is = authorized for the mobile
=A0=A0 router

s/This requires the MAG = to send a regular
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 PBU to the LMA to register the location of the mobile= router and
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 set-up the bi-directional tunnel./This= requires the MAG to
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 send a regular PBU (with flag= R set) to the LMA to register the
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 mobile router and set-up the bi-directional tunnel= .



-Raj

--14dae9340f53d41a0404ceefe32f-- From Peter.McCann@huawei.com Tue Nov 20 08:50:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D94321F8756 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:50:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.519 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.080, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0XnHwcHIH0lC for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E48821F870C for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AMZ21702; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:50:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:50:18 +0000 Received: from DFWEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 00:50:47 +0800 Received: from dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.159]) by dfweml408-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.134]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:50:45 -0800 From: Peter McCann To: Basavaraj Patil , "netext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) Thread-Index: AQHNxz3DQQQBC3W/sU+JRgVtIyAvCpfy7olg Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:50:45 +0000 Message-ID: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.193.125.187] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:50:51 -0000 Basavaraj Patil wrote: > > 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of packets=20 > via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that are derived=20 > from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there is added=20 > functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this. I think there are potentially some deeper issues here. The MN sees the original MAG as its "delegating router". When the MN changes to a new MAG, there is no good way to tell that the delegated prefixes are still routable to the link. The delegating router has become unreachable. The new router may send an RA that advertises the original link prefix, and so the MN can tell that its SLAAC unicast addresses are still valid on the link. However, RFC 3633 says that the delegated prefix is NOT advertised on the link between the delegating router and the requesting router. Therefore, there is no way for the MR to determine whether it can still use the delegated prefixes, other than perhaps re-running DHCPv6-PD on the new link. -Pete From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Tue Nov 20 11:56:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC9B21F8803 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:56:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 91sbSIeFZzYw for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:56:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC1321F87F7 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id y2so5288867lbk.31 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:56:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=0Cl2zfG3ixas7BnkB++9hXJdu+SnJZB8lHNH1mHdfmc=; b=n+9XFC0IIoj4Irt35aiwtorkY11pdRtSYj3ZCsNPZFDFYXW3nttAJNl7DFIP7wXRC8 tP6sFoRpp3+T+XjhrNOJ1jwN+fT4AWdgBH8D9rmDOXEfNP45HlMgeOYY0SMkVQsYhwYb qlnly4B2tUG4HJlsKxMy+YNZxJV/dHIMpn8G7CYFQvq50ylSvIUt9F3uJ0Y/bCPYOgcV Q5VW98llx6j1qVxxDULIa4HCRSMGxvmPVGHrzYSXyOqiT63hERa7pzf+KyausRIJ/zCm dY0BLeIhI6tr041yUE7n2kWf+tmTEdLrPvjzY36QRZUAIvQSizchX8+mU9FWZNcxxAss fOHQ== Received: by 10.112.9.135 with SMTP id z7mr6670209lba.66.1353441386853; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c? ([2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ps11sm5228825lab.12.2012.11.20.11.56.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:56:24 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: jouni korhonen In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:56:18 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: To: Basavaraj Patil X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: netext@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:56:29 -0000 Raj, On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Basavaraj Patil wrote: > > > I-D: Prefix Delegation for Proxy Mobile IPv6 > > > > Issues: > ------- > 1. I-D states: "However, Proxy Mobile IPv6 does not support assigning > a prefix to a router and managing its IP mobility." > > PMIP6 specifically mentions that the network based mobility solution > is for a host (as defined in RFC3775). It would be useful to mention > that this I-D is extending network based mobility support to routers > as well. Ok. I would write this as: responsible for managing IP mobility on behalf of the host. However, Proxy Mobile IPv6 does not support assigning a prefix to a router and managing IP mobility for it and the networks it serves. This document > 2. "This document specifies an extension to > Proxy Mobile IPv6 protocol for supporting network mobility using > DHCPv6-based Prefix Delegation." > > Should it explicitly state that the extension to PMIP6 protocol is for > enabling network mobility for routers? Maybe.. see above. > 3. "The mobility elements in the network allow the > IP host to obtain an IPv4 address and/or a set of IPv6 addresses > ..." > > MAG/LMA assign the host an IPv6 prefix. Could you elaborate a bit more? > 4. Would be useful to mention how binding revocation is handled in the > case of delegated prefixes to the MR. Good point. That needs to be clarified. > 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of packets > via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that are derived > from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there is added > functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this. Section 3.4.2 states it..? I don't quite get what is missing here.. > Editorial > --------- > > s/Proxy Mobile IPv6 enables IP mobility for a host without requiring > its participation in any mobility signaling, being the network > responsible for managing IP mobility on behalf of the host./Proxy > Mobile IPv6 enables IP mobility for a host without requiring > its participation in any mobility signaling. Mobility agents within > the network are responsible for managing IP mobility on behalf of > the host. > > s/However, this network-based mobility management support is specific > to an IP host and currently there is no such network-based mobility > management support for a mobile router with a cluster of IP hosts > behind it./However Proxy Mobile IPv6 support is specifically > intended for a host. Mobile routers can also benefit from the > network based mobility solution provided by Proxy Mobile IPv6. This > document extends Proxy Mobile IPv6 support to Mobile routers as > well. > > s/for its inside networks/for the networks subtending off the MR. > > s/just as how that is supported for Home Network prefixes/in a similar > manner that the protocol supports hosts which are assigned home > network prefixes. > > s/The mobile router forwards outgoing packets from its > mobile network/The mobile router forwards outgoing or uplink > packets from the networks that are subtending off it > > s/ and the MAG > delivers the incoming packets to the mobile network/and the MAG > delivers the downlink packets to the MR. > > s/to be able to intercept the related DHCPv6 message sourced from the > mobile router /in order to intercept the related DHCPv6 message > transmitted by the MR. > > s/If the network mobility service needs to be offered to the mobile > router/If the network mobility service is authorized for the mobile > router > > s/This requires the MAG to send a regular > PBU to the LMA to register the location of the mobile router and > set-up the bi-directional tunnel./This requires the MAG to > send a regular PBU (with flag R set) to the LMA to register the > mobile router and set-up the bi-directional tunnel. Cumulative ACK for the rest. - Jouni > > > > -Raj > > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Tue Nov 20 12:07:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718C721F8787 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:07:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kn4xD5LbLTFR for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com (mail-la0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DA921F8765 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id d3so5205098lah.31 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:07:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=KdpvPVKvY2ZpT/Ih5h5Lsan0HB8MLToGqiD6ct/sRqs=; b=OnDdKgXHaUQXfSeIKOJSsWSBYqKqh89CsHWXndILo5aTzLoMjvHhgMbkf0wNNhnTYf Pk9oTDGVc6RZFCcXlp1JOktJJ3etak+T2/WGck854HgBVkvT5XQ9/fhtRYWM9PD+2lnx Ot2JxvEMhN9DoAkOrkX/Z6cFtwdzyP37wdV1AKn9kT9w+OYoBiTgxJHRRKZb6bHa8oU4 iSxFgkJwK+blrFrr3bOiEX4R0eoaQcgYERCjBb4ocyqBgl+4JL4etHkmseCrTtHDorgt UOACwBMMt9qHHIKKBOKMspgdZAZiuQN18tTOezI8SGf3cbdeDVwT8hy0Lwi+eSEOQJ0l zi4A== Received: by 10.152.110.74 with SMTP id hy10mr15781364lab.54.1353442075323; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c? ([2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sj3sm5244027lab.2.2012.11.20.12.07.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:07:53 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: jouni korhonen In-Reply-To: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:07:49 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> To: Peter McCann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:07:57 -0000 Pete, On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Peter McCann wrote: > Basavaraj Patil wrote: >>=20 >> 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of packets=20= >> via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that are derived=20 >> from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there is added=20 >> functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this. >=20 > I think there are potentially some deeper issues here. >=20 > The MN sees the original MAG as its "delegating router". When the > MN changes to a new MAG, there is no good way to tell that the > delegated prefixes are still routable to the link. The delegating This is what the I-D is about.. That's we got the new signaling in=20 place and the handover case described in Section 3.4.3. > router has become unreachable. The new router may send an RA that > advertises the original link prefix, and so the MN can tell that > its SLAAC unicast addresses are still valid on the link. However, When the MR (i.e. in RFC5213 terminology the MN) does a handover, the prefix used between the MR-MAG stays the same as usually provided by PMIP6. Section 3.4.3 the describes what the MAG has to do in order to know the existing delegated prefixes and set the forwarding state. > RFC 3633 says that the delegated prefix is NOT advertised on the > link between the delegating router and the requesting router. And they are not. The delegated prefixes are used on the downstream interfaces of the MR, not on the MR-MAG link. If the prefix used on the MR-MAG link is part of the delegated prefix, then the MR has to use RFC6603. > Therefore, there is no way for the MR to determine whether it can > still use the delegated prefixes, other than perhaps re-running > DHCPv6-PD on the new link. =46rom MR point of view nothing changed. So what is the issue? - Jouni >=20 > -Pete >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext From Peter.McCann@huawei.com Tue Nov 20 12:18:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C617821F87A4 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:18:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.532 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.532 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id seUnqZ3z6M-s for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:18:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B3021F878F for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AMZ31291; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:18:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:17:54 +0000 Received: from DFWEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:18:23 +0000 Received: from dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.159]) by dfweml408-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.134]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:18:20 -0800 From: Peter McCann To: jouni korhonen Thread-Topic: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) Thread-Index: AQHNxz3DQQQBC3W/sU+JRgVtIyAvCpfy7olggAC+hYD//3xY0A== Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:18:19 +0000 Message-ID: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.193.125.187] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:18:26 -0000 Hi, Jouni, What if the new MAG cannot connect back to the old LMA? How does the MR find out that its delegated prefix is no longer routable? -Pete jouni korhonen wrote: >=20 > Pete, >=20 > On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >=20 >> Basavaraj Patil wrote: >>>=20 >>> 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of packets >>> via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that are derived >>> from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there is added >>> functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this. >>=20 >> I think there are potentially some deeper issues here. >>=20 >> The MN sees the original MAG as its "delegating router". When the >> MN changes to a new MAG, there is no good way to tell that the >> delegated prefixes are still routable to the link. The delegating >=20 > This is what the I-D is about.. That's we got the new signaling in > place and the handover case described in Section 3.4.3. >=20 >> router has become unreachable. The new router may send an RA that >> advertises the original link prefix, and so the MN can tell that its >> SLAAC unicast addresses are still valid on the link. However, >=20 > When the MR (i.e. in RFC5213 terminology the MN) does a handover, the > prefix used between the MR-MAG stays the same as usually provided by > PMIP6. Section 3.4.3 the describes what the MAG has to do in order to > know the existing delegated prefixes and set the forwarding state. >=20 >> RFC 3633 says that the delegated prefix is NOT advertised on the >> link between the delegating router and the requesting router. >=20 > And they are not. The delegated prefixes are used on the downstream > interfaces of the MR, not on the MR-MAG link. If the prefix used on > the MR-MAG link is part of the delegated prefix, then the MR has to > use RFC6603. >=20 >> Therefore, there is no way for the MR to determine whether it can >> still use the delegated prefixes, other than perhaps re-running >> DHCPv6-PD on the new link. >=20 > From MR point of view nothing changed. So what is the issue? >=20 > - Jouni >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> -Pete >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netext mailing list >> netext@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Tue Nov 20 12:38:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4105D21F8810 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:38:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qjBtnsKLhXrG for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:38:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5892021F880B for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:38:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id y2so5316681lbk.31 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:38:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=7JcJaHuZE0wtkMb67fhcjaAP8/jopH1aCQCRSlnFVvs=; b=TNu2lO5rz3DzbUmQdKW7ml5LmQ2dJO7Uf2n9aIKGV61DJkSAOQavOxB14CUGidKMJR IRy3XCzv8+2ZyVOynHfl45b/OxaGZx3cOINUAo1W7bqY/CRxjHlckkI3oxmZL2wv5WzF MZnZPwWKNabnNU9j1OeXhXLQv3/VyM2TPJO7IyXV7GPSgpAal6Lx9ZGcu/xuGFGCRHF/ LhQj+uz922vOO4raijQeZlWe3tXgXn88NDBRdZjKu18CDPzyuGbiL1NjkIUQemrqWM8I nv88yHUEsXEW7K0N+L70757PvEaAsw5RLKq8ebkOrC9ScAJ1ZX7eWtjULEl+Z2/EWept tt1w== Received: by 10.152.132.3 with SMTP id oq3mr15502598lab.18.1353443903763; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c? ([2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jk8sm5263285lab.7.2012.11.20.12.38.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:38:19 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: jouni korhonen In-Reply-To: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:38:14 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> To: Peter McCann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:38:26 -0000 Pete, On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Peter McCann wrote: > Hi, Jouni, > > What if the new MAG cannot connect back to the old LMA? How does the > MR find out that its delegated prefix is no longer routable? In that case your PMIP session goes down.. and the MR sees it as a change of the link. In that case MR does what any DHCP client is supposed to do i.e. verify whether its prefixes are still valid on the new link using a confirm/reply exchange. - JOuni > > -Pete > > > jouni korhonen wrote: >> >> Pete, >> >> On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >> >>> Basavaraj Patil wrote: >>>> >>>> 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of packets >>>> via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that are derived >>>> from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there is added >>>> functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this. >>> >>> I think there are potentially some deeper issues here. >>> >>> The MN sees the original MAG as its "delegating router". When the >>> MN changes to a new MAG, there is no good way to tell that the >>> delegated prefixes are still routable to the link. The delegating >> >> This is what the I-D is about.. That's we got the new signaling in >> place and the handover case described in Section 3.4.3. >> >>> router has become unreachable. The new router may send an RA that >>> advertises the original link prefix, and so the MN can tell that its >>> SLAAC unicast addresses are still valid on the link. However, >> >> When the MR (i.e. in RFC5213 terminology the MN) does a handover, the >> prefix used between the MR-MAG stays the same as usually provided by >> PMIP6. Section 3.4.3 the describes what the MAG has to do in order to >> know the existing delegated prefixes and set the forwarding state. >> >>> RFC 3633 says that the delegated prefix is NOT advertised on the >>> link between the delegating router and the requesting router. >> >> And they are not. The delegated prefixes are used on the downstream >> interfaces of the MR, not on the MR-MAG link. If the prefix used on >> the MR-MAG link is part of the delegated prefix, then the MR has to >> use RFC6603. >> >>> Therefore, there is no way for the MR to determine whether it can >>> still use the delegated prefixes, other than perhaps re-running >>> DHCPv6-PD on the new link. >> >> From MR point of view nothing changed. So what is the issue? >> >> - Jouni >> >> >>> >>> -Pete >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> netext mailing list >>> netext@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > > > From Peter.McCann@huawei.com Tue Nov 20 13:04:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E77D21F84FC for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:04:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.542 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.542 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.057, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rv6Vs0iHKKg1 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D02F21F84E6 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:04:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ALT12845; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:02:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:02:07 +0000 Received: from DFWEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:02:36 +0000 Received: from dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.159]) by dfweml408-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.134]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:02:32 -0800 From: Peter McCann To: jouni korhonen Thread-Topic: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) Thread-Index: AQHNxz3DQQQBC3W/sU+JRgVtIyAvCpfy7olggAC+hYD//3xY0IAAjCcA//97uoA= Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:02:31 +0000 Message-ID: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E5890E@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.193.125.187] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:04:13 -0000 Hi, Jouni, jouni korhonen wrote: >=20 > Pete, >=20 > On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >=20 >> Hi, Jouni, >>=20 >> What if the new MAG cannot connect back to the old LMA? How does >> the MR find out that its delegated prefix is no longer routable? >=20 > In that case your PMIP session goes down.. and the MR sees it as a > change of the link. In that case MR does what any DHCP client is > supposed to do i.e. verify whether its prefixes are still valid on the > new link using a confirm/reply exchange. How exactly does the MR detect that the PMIP session has gone down? The MR sees a MAG with the same globally reserved link-layer and link-local address. Is it looking for a Router Advertisement with a new link prefix? RFC 4861 specifies that subsequent Router=20 Advertisements do not invalidate previously received information. Besides, as we have noted, the RAs have nothing to do with the delegated prefix so it seems wrong to use them to control the validity of the delegated prefix. -Pete >=20 > - JOuni >=20 >>=20 >> -Pete >>=20 >>=20 >> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>=20 >>> Pete, >>>=20 >>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Basavaraj Patil wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of >>>>> packets via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that >>>>> are derived from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there >>>>> is added functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this. >>>>=20 >>>> I think there are potentially some deeper issues here. >>>>=20 >>>> The MN sees the original MAG as its "delegating router". When the >>>> MN changes to a new MAG, there is no good way to tell that the >>>> delegated prefixes are still routable to the link. The delegating >>>=20 >>> This is what the I-D is about.. That's we got the new signaling in >>> place and the handover case described in Section 3.4.3. >>>=20 >>>> router has become unreachable. The new router may send an RA that >>>> advertises the original link prefix, and so the MN can tell that its >>>> SLAAC unicast addresses are still valid on the link. However, >>>=20 >>> When the MR (i.e. in RFC5213 terminology the MN) does a handover, the >>> prefix used between the MR-MAG stays the same as usually provided by >>> PMIP6. Section 3.4.3 the describes what the MAG has to do in order to >>> know the existing delegated prefixes and set the forwarding state. >>>=20 >>>> RFC 3633 says that the delegated prefix is NOT advertised on the >>>> link between the delegating router and the requesting router. >>>=20 >>> And they are not. The delegated prefixes are used on the downstream >>> interfaces of the MR, not on the MR-MAG link. If the prefix used on >>> the MR-MAG link is part of the delegated prefix, then the MR has to >>> use RFC6603. >>>=20 >>>> Therefore, there is no way for the MR to determine whether it can >>>> still use the delegated prefixes, other than perhaps re-running >>>> DHCPv6-PD on the new link. >>>=20 >>> From MR point of view nothing changed. So what is the issue? >>>=20 >>> - Jouni >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -Pete >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> netext mailing list >>>> netext@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext >>=20 >>=20 >> From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Tue Nov 20 13:39:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9451321F866C for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:39:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.535 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.535 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vc11ldEGlv4N for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com (mail-la0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBAA21F865B for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id d3so5267622lah.31 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:39:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=GyJt3Xmg6rdgUFcg4y8+FnjnOGxHfLSOz4PQ8BawZjY=; b=o4YImgCEI8UY1vz6AbW+I619/HdwG2rTSQ0drsQ2kAuIXO5IaerL3FJ93UgpaiO0s/ OgjG7ik3AMPxW3dFIbtGDcZ5xqvF7fLxzmDYz5liYpAx8nqGNJ1I7r7YcoGIdh6Hsb/y QC17takFhRkQHX8sRGaxl4dgli0XQgIcITuus0803Ebw+OFI2kuwUy4RR1rTc/q60tYo n/Mb+tAtn0RsiUkoWMIV/vXqe1vvVaNuqoi/CxlEvWLk9YAv2F4W8GnhiuvicFRK0zct lDHqrlYI+g5ZoXr1fyLFAy9KN7FEtnQ06MTilaqJNjM83yvBIfR9S37ZeNJWsBUMDzl4 FK+g== Received: by 10.152.103.100 with SMTP id fv4mr15599936lab.39.1353447553045; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:39:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c? ([2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m3sm5393533lbb.13.2012.11.20.13.39.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:39:11 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: jouni korhonen In-Reply-To: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E5890E@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:39:07 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4B2145DF-3D42-4EE4-A1F7-E3622F2A74D8@gmail.com> References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E5890E@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> To: Peter McCann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:39:15 -0000 Pete, On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Peter McCann wrote: > Hi, Jouni, > > jouni korhonen wrote: >> >> Pete, >> >> On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >> >>> Hi, Jouni, >>> >>> What if the new MAG cannot connect back to the old LMA? How does >>> the MR find out that its delegated prefix is no longer routable? >> >> In that case your PMIP session goes down.. and the MR sees it as a >> change of the link. In that case MR does what any DHCP client is >> supposed to do i.e. verify whether its prefixes are still valid on the >> new link using a confirm/reply exchange. > > How exactly does the MR detect that the PMIP session has gone down? > The MR sees a MAG with the same globally reserved link-layer and > link-local address. Is it looking for a Router Advertisement with > a new link prefix? RFC 4861 specifies that subsequent Router > Advertisements do not invalidate previously received information. If the PMIP session goes down and the LMA changes then the HNP also changes. For the MR that is an indication that something happened on the link -> confirm. If that is not a good enough indication I would assume the MR gets link up/down even since the end of PMIP session would also mean the MAG kicks the MR out of the L2 session. If the link is some wireless technology e.g. a cellular link, then a PMIP session change would equal more drastic stuff on the MAG facing interface/link. The MR would definitely know the link changed or something happened to it -> confirm. To be sure the MR sees the change of link, each PMIP session could have their unique MAG link-local (possible by specs but a hack in a way, thus not elaborated in this I-D). Even RFC3315 is rather vague how the client figures out the link changed. It is just assumed it somehow gets some indication something happened. - Jouni > Besides, as we have noted, the RAs have nothing to do with the > delegated prefix so it seems wrong to use them to control the > validity of the delegated prefix. > > -Pete > >> >> - JOuni >> >>> >>> -Pete >>> >>> >>> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>> >>>> Pete, >>>> >>>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>> >>>>> Basavaraj Patil wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of >>>>>> packets via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that >>>>>> are derived from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there >>>>>> is added functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this. >>>>> >>>>> I think there are potentially some deeper issues here. >>>>> >>>>> The MN sees the original MAG as its "delegating router". When the >>>>> MN changes to a new MAG, there is no good way to tell that the >>>>> delegated prefixes are still routable to the link. The delegating >>>> >>>> This is what the I-D is about.. That's we got the new signaling in >>>> place and the handover case described in Section 3.4.3. >>>> >>>>> router has become unreachable. The new router may send an RA that >>>>> advertises the original link prefix, and so the MN can tell that its >>>>> SLAAC unicast addresses are still valid on the link. However, >>>> >>>> When the MR (i.e. in RFC5213 terminology the MN) does a handover, the >>>> prefix used between the MR-MAG stays the same as usually provided by >>>> PMIP6. Section 3.4.3 the describes what the MAG has to do in order to >>>> know the existing delegated prefixes and set the forwarding state. >>>> >>>>> RFC 3633 says that the delegated prefix is NOT advertised on the >>>>> link between the delegating router and the requesting router. >>>> >>>> And they are not. The delegated prefixes are used on the downstream >>>> interfaces of the MR, not on the MR-MAG link. If the prefix used on >>>> the MR-MAG link is part of the delegated prefix, then the MR has to >>>> use RFC6603. >>>> >>>>> Therefore, there is no way for the MR to determine whether it can >>>>> still use the delegated prefixes, other than perhaps re-running >>>>> DHCPv6-PD on the new link. >>>> >>>> From MR point of view nothing changed. So what is the issue? >>>> >>>> - Jouni >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Pete >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> netext mailing list >>>>> netext@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext >>> >>> >>> > > > From Peter.McCann@huawei.com Tue Nov 20 13:46:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0578421F87EA for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:46:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JDqkneSrhc7x for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBA821F87DC for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AMZ34732; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:46:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:46:10 +0000 Received: from DFWEML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.132) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:46:37 +0000 Received: from dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.159]) by dfweml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.132]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:46:32 -0800 From: Peter McCann To: jouni korhonen Thread-Topic: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) Thread-Index: AQHNxz3DQQQBC3W/sU+JRgVtIyAvCpfy7olggAC+hYD//3xY0IAAjCcA//97uoCAAJVJgP//ejdQ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:46:31 +0000 Message-ID: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58955@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E5890E@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <4B2145DF-3D42-4EE4-A1F7-E3622F2A74D8@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4B2145DF-3D42-4EE4-A1F7-E3622F2A74D8@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.193.125.187] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:46:41 -0000 Hi, Jouni, jouni korhonen wrote: >=20 > Pete, >=20 > On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >=20 >> Hi, Jouni, >>=20 >> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>=20 >>> Pete, >>>=20 >>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Hi, Jouni, >>>>=20 >>>> What if the new MAG cannot connect back to the old LMA? How does >>>> the MR find out that its delegated prefix is no longer routable? >>>=20 >>> In that case your PMIP session goes down.. and the MR sees it as a >>> change of the link. In that case MR does what any DHCP client is >>> supposed to do i.e. verify whether its prefixes are still valid on >>> the new link using a confirm/reply exchange. >>=20 >> How exactly does the MR detect that the PMIP session has gone down? >> The MR sees a MAG with the same globally reserved link-layer and >> link-local address. Is it looking for a Router Advertisement with a >> new link prefix? RFC 4861 specifies that subsequent Router >> Advertisements do not invalidate previously received information. >=20 > If the PMIP session goes down and the LMA changes then the HNP also > changes. For the MR that is an indication that something happened on > the link -> confirm.=20 The only way to communicate the new HNP is with an RA, correct? > If that is not a good enough indication I would > assume the MR gets link up/down even since the end of PMIP session > would also mean the MAG kicks the MR out of the L2 session. I don't see why this handover should be any different at L2 from the handovers within a single PMIP domain. I think the MN would get link down/up (or not) in both cases, and would not be able to distinguish the end of the session on this basis. > If the link is some wireless technology e.g. a cellular link, then a > PMIP session change would equal more drastic stuff on the MAG facing > interface/link. The MR would definitely know the link changed or > something happened to it -> confirm. It is an inter-MAG handover like any other. Indistinguishable at L2. > To be sure the MR sees the change of link, each PMIP session could > have their unique MAG link-local (possible by specs but a hack in a > way, thus not elaborated in this I-D). Even so the receipt of a new RA from a new link-local address would not invalidate the old information received from the old MAG. This is not a trigger that deprecates the old prefix. An MN conforming to 4861 would not necessarily take any action upon receiving the new RA. > Even RFC3315 is rather vague how the client figures out the link > changed. It is just assumed it somehow gets some indication something > happened. I don't think we can assume that inter-MAG handoffs involving a change of LMA are at all distinguishable at the link layer from inter-MAG handoffs that do not involve a change of LMA. -Pete >=20 > - Jouni >=20 >> Besides, as we have noted, the RAs have nothing to do with the >> delegated prefix so it seems wrong to use them to control the validity >> of the delegated prefix. >=20 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> -Pete >>=20 >>>=20 >>> - JOuni >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -Pete >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Pete, >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Basavaraj Patil wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of >>>>>>> packets via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that >>>>>>> are derived from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there >>>>>>> is added functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I think there are potentially some deeper issues here. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> The MN sees the original MAG as its "delegating router". When the >>>>>> MN changes to a new MAG, there is no good way to tell that the >>>>>> delegated prefixes are still routable to the link. The > delegating >>>>>=20 >>>>> This is what the I-D is about.. That's we got the new signaling >>>>> in place and the handover case described in Section 3.4.3. >>>>>=20 >>>>>> router has become unreachable. The new router may send an RA that >>>>>> advertises the original link prefix, and so the MN can tell that >>>>>> its SLAAC unicast addresses are still valid on the link. > However, >>>>>=20 >>>>> When the MR (i.e. in RFC5213 terminology the MN) does a handover, >>>>> the prefix used between the MR-MAG stays the same as usually >>>>> provided by PMIP6. Section 3.4.3 the describes what the MAG has to >>>>> do in order to know the existing delegated prefixes and set the >>>>> forwarding state. >>>>>=20 >>>>>> RFC 3633 says that the delegated prefix is NOT advertised on the >>>>>> link between the delegating router and the requesting router. >>>>>=20 >>>>> And they are not. The delegated prefixes are used on the downstream >>>>> interfaces of the MR, not on the MR-MAG link. If the prefix used on >>>>> the MR-MAG link is part of the delegated prefix, then the MR has to >>>>> use RFC6603. >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Therefore, there is no way for the MR to determine whether it >>>>>> can still use the delegated prefixes, other than perhaps >>>>>> re-running DHCPv6-PD on the new link. >>>>>=20 >>>>> From MR point of view nothing changed. So what is the issue? >>>>>=20 >>>>> - Jouni >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -Pete >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> netext mailing list >>>>>> netext@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Tue Nov 20 14:59:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D138C21F8826 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:59:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.54 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.54 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ABafUlXGnOIN for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com (mail-la0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC0621F86E5 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id d3so5313082lah.31 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:59:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=ksMVibAXlbt2p2jJH7ngDFBgf59X5pmlUC/DgID1ZJc=; b=kNW7V9bsmvqy/BYD1r8On2POomhcFeGwq+BtxPQxY0m454CYIdDJ/2wVriJBg3C/Xq 7TmSnSqU9GuSfrEUCniOpnx4w/8T4UswR50DORrizrT5sD5811CYg267wc9UN7UcNknX uw5c4vZbaVlCCaKjxoUPJbeqAI2CIO8txmyKKgQ7r2pIueImsm4fwIi2lMo1hARW9qnU rSZjyZza4QAr2Y3Mho1E/0M4civKlmaJ27hl0AAS1ooBAHX8lLGq2rRyUGCZnmuqHZQa NwaTrE/8trGCQTZ5fM2enDk6VBpkbHi6gYdVJ7N/VJBwrm70y/NdPquc/CGmMALxYV37 NqRQ== Received: by 10.152.108.37 with SMTP id hh5mr16064751lab.52.1353452371121; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c? ([2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pz9sm5350645lab.11.2012.11.20.14.59.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:59:30 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: jouni korhonen In-Reply-To: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58955@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 00:59:25 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E5890E@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <4B2145DF-3D42-4EE4-A1F7-E3622F2A74D8@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58955@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> To: Peter McCann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:59:33 -0000 Pete, On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Peter McCann wrote: > Hi, Jouni, > > jouni korhonen wrote: >> >> Pete, >> >> On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >> >>> Hi, Jouni, >>> >>> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>> >>>> Pete, >>>> >>>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, Jouni, >>>>> >>>>> What if the new MAG cannot connect back to the old LMA? How does >>>>> the MR find out that its delegated prefix is no longer routable? >>>> >>>> In that case your PMIP session goes down.. and the MR sees it as a >>>> change of the link. In that case MR does what any DHCP client is >>>> supposed to do i.e. verify whether its prefixes are still valid on >>>> the new link using a confirm/reply exchange. >>> >>> How exactly does the MR detect that the PMIP session has gone down? >>> The MR sees a MAG with the same globally reserved link-layer and >>> link-local address. Is it looking for a Router Advertisement with a >>> new link prefix? RFC 4861 specifies that subsequent Router >>> Advertisements do not invalidate previously received information. >> >> If the PMIP session goes down and the LMA changes then the HNP also >> changes. For the MR that is an indication that something happened on >> the link -> confirm. > > The only way to communicate the new HNP is with an RA, correct? No. Also DHCP applies. If your assumption about MN/MR not being able to figure out when to confirm its address/prefix, then whole RFC5213 DHCP-based address assignment would be broken. >> If that is not a good enough indication I would >> assume the MR gets link up/down even since the end of PMIP session >> would also mean the MAG kicks the MR out of the L2 session. > > I don't see why this handover should be any different at L2 from > the handovers within a single PMIP domain. I think the MN would > get link down/up (or not) in both cases, and would not be able to > distinguish the end of the session on this basis. You were talking about the change of LMA.. which would per current specs mean end of PMIP session. Now if PMIP session ends the MN/MR won't be let hanging around in L2 either, right? So the MN/MR would definitely know that it got kicked away. Think e.g. about cellular case. The lost of session means the link is plain gone. >> If the link is some wireless technology e.g. a cellular link, then a >> PMIP session change would equal more drastic stuff on the MAG facing >> interface/link. The MR would definitely know the link changed or >> something happened to it -> confirm. > > It is an inter-MAG handover like any other. Indistinguishable at > L2. It is way different than an inter-MAG handover. See above. >> To be sure the MR sees the change of link, each PMIP session could >> have their unique MAG link-local (possible by specs but a hack in a >> way, thus not elaborated in this I-D). > > Even so the receipt of a new RA from a new link-local address would > not invalidate the old information received from the old MAG. This > is not a trigger that deprecates the old prefix. An MN conforming > to 4861 would not necessarily take any action upon receiving the new > RA. DNA. >> Even RFC3315 is rather vague how the client figures out the link >> changed. It is just assumed it somehow gets some indication something >> happened. > > I don't think we can assume that inter-MAG handoffs involving a change > of LMA are at all distinguishable at the link layer from inter-MAG > handoffs that do not involve a change of LMA. I disagree. You would know it at your L2. And even if you wouldn't have such L2, your MAG or latest LMA should send you a destination unreachable ICMP telling the packets (having src out of delegated prefix) won't get delivered. If not.. then the deployment is broken and we cannot fix that part with a spec. - Jouni > > -Pete > >> >> - Jouni >> >>> Besides, as we have noted, the RAs have nothing to do with the >>> delegated prefix so it seems wrong to use them to control the validity >>> of the delegated prefix. >> >> >> >>> >>> -Pete >>> >>>> >>>> - JOuni >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Pete >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Pete, >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Basavaraj Patil wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of >>>>>>>> packets via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that >>>>>>>> are derived from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there >>>>>>>> is added functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think there are potentially some deeper issues here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The MN sees the original MAG as its "delegating router". When the >>>>>>> MN changes to a new MAG, there is no good way to tell that the >>>>>>> delegated prefixes are still routable to the link. The >> delegating >>>>>> >>>>>> This is what the I-D is about.. That's we got the new signaling >>>>>> in place and the handover case described in Section 3.4.3. >>>>>> >>>>>>> router has become unreachable. The new router may send an RA that >>>>>>> advertises the original link prefix, and so the MN can tell that >>>>>>> its SLAAC unicast addresses are still valid on the link. >> However, >>>>>> >>>>>> When the MR (i.e. in RFC5213 terminology the MN) does a handover, >>>>>> the prefix used between the MR-MAG stays the same as usually >>>>>> provided by PMIP6. Section 3.4.3 the describes what the MAG has to >>>>>> do in order to know the existing delegated prefixes and set the >>>>>> forwarding state. >>>>>> >>>>>>> RFC 3633 says that the delegated prefix is NOT advertised on the >>>>>>> link between the delegating router and the requesting router. >>>>>> >>>>>> And they are not. The delegated prefixes are used on the downstream >>>>>> interfaces of the MR, not on the MR-MAG link. If the prefix used on >>>>>> the MR-MAG link is part of the delegated prefix, then the MR has to >>>>>> use RFC6603. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Therefore, there is no way for the MR to determine whether it >>>>>>> can still use the delegated prefixes, other than perhaps >>>>>>> re-running DHCPv6-PD on the new link. >>>>>> >>>>>> From MR point of view nothing changed. So what is the issue? >>>>>> >>>>>> - Jouni >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Pete >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> netext mailing list >>>>>>> netext@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> > > > From Peter.McCann@huawei.com Tue Nov 20 20:56:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED7421F86C4 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:56:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QqaEqhpw15HP for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE8121F8692 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:55:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ALT35801; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:55:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:55:22 +0000 Received: from DFWEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.151) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:55:50 +0000 Received: from dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.159]) by dfweml403-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.151]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:55:43 -0800 From: Peter McCann To: jouni korhonen Thread-Topic: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) Thread-Index: AQHNxz3DQQQBC3W/sU+JRgVtIyAvCpfy7olggAC+hYD//3xY0IAAjCcA//97uoCAAJVJgP//ejdQABOHHoAABSeKoA== Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:55:43 +0000 Message-ID: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58A92@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E5890E@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <4B2145DF-3D42-4EE4-A1F7-E3622F2A74D8@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58955@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.244.97] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:56:02 -0000 Hi, Jouni, jouni korhonen wrote: > Pete, >=20 > On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >=20 >> Hi, Jouni, >>=20 >> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>=20 >>> Pete, >>>=20 >>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Hi, Jouni, >>>>=20 >>>> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Pete, >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi, Jouni, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> What if the new MAG cannot connect back to the old LMA? How >>>>>> does the MR find out that its delegated prefix is no longer routable= ? >>>>>=20 >>>>> In that case your PMIP session goes down.. and the MR sees it as >>>>> a change of the link. In that case MR does what any DHCP client >>>>> is supposed to do i.e. verify whether its prefixes are still >>>>> valid on the new link using a confirm/reply exchange. >>>>=20 >>>> How exactly does the MR detect that the PMIP session has gone down? >>>> The MR sees a MAG with the same globally reserved link-layer and >>>> link-local address. Is it looking for a Router Advertisement with a >>>> new link prefix? RFC 4861 specifies that subsequent Router >>>> Advertisements do not invalidate previously received information. >>>=20 >>> If the PMIP session goes down and the LMA changes then the HNP also >>> changes. For the MR that is an indication that something happened >>> on the link -> confirm. >>=20 >> The only way to communicate the new HNP is with an RA, correct? >=20 > No. Also DHCP applies. If your assumption about MN/MR not being able > to figure out when to confirm its address/prefix, then whole RFC5213 > DHCP- based address assignment would be broken. I guess if you sent a DHCP Renew every time you detected a link flap (handover to new MAG) that would do the trick. It seems somewhat expensive, though. >>> If that is not a good enough indication I would assume the MR gets >>> link up/down even since the end of PMIP session would also mean the >>> MAG kicks the MR out of the L2 session. >>=20 >> I don't see why this handover should be any different at L2 from the >> handovers within a single PMIP domain. I think the MN would get >> link down/up (or not) in both cases, and would not be able to >> distinguish the end of the session on this basis. >=20 > You were talking about the change of LMA.. which would per current > specs mean end of PMIP session. Now if PMIP session ends the MN/MR > won't be let hanging around in L2 either, right? So the MN/MR would > definitely know that it got kicked away. Think e.g. about cellular > case. The lost of session means the link is plain gone. It's perfectly conceivable to have an L2 handover to a new MAG in a=20 new PMIP domain. I don't see why the L2 should be modified to know about the topology of which MAGs can reach which LMAs. >>> If the link is some wireless technology e.g. a cellular link, then >>> a PMIP session change would equal more drastic stuff on the MAG >>> facing interface/link. The MR would definitely know the link >>> changed or something happened to it -> confirm. >>=20 >> It is an inter-MAG handover like any other. Indistinguishable at L2. >=20 > It is way different than an inter-MAG handover. See above. Why would the L2 know about the MAG-to-LMA topology? =20 >>> To be sure the MR sees the change of link, each PMIP session could >>> have their unique MAG link-local (possible by specs but a hack in a >>> way, thus not elaborated in this I-D). >>=20 >> Even so the receipt of a new RA from a new link-local address would not >> invalidate the old information received from the old MAG. This is not >> a trigger that deprecates the old prefix. An MN conforming to 4861 >> would not necessarily take any action upon receiving the new RA. >=20 > DNA. Ok, but if all the MAGs are using the same link-local address, NUD would come back saying the router is still reachable, right? Would the MN/MR invalidate or try to reconfirm the old information in this circumstance? >>> Even RFC3315 is rather vague how the client figures out the link >>> changed. It is just assumed it somehow gets some indication something >>> happened. >>=20 >> I don't think we can assume that inter-MAG handoffs involving a change >> of LMA are at all distinguishable at the link layer from inter-MAG >> handoffs that do not involve a change of LMA. >=20 > I disagree. You would know it at your L2. And even if you wouldn't > have such L2, your MAG or latest LMA should send you a destination > unreachable ICMP telling the packets (having src out of delegated > prefix) won't get delivered. If not.. then the deployment is broken > and we cannot fix that part with a spec. ICMP would only be sent if traffic is being generated. I am more worried about a state where the MN thinks its prefix is still good, but packets aren't being delivered and it could be an indeterminate amount of time before the situation is recognized/corrected. -Pete > - Jouni >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> -Pete >>=20 >>>=20 >>> - Jouni >>>=20 >>>> Besides, as we have noted, the RAs have nothing to do with the >>>> delegated prefix so it seems wrong to use them to control the >>>> validity of the delegated prefix. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -Pete >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> - JOuni >>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -Pete >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Pete, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Basavaraj Patil wrote: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of >>>>>>>>> packets via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that >>>>>>>>> are derived from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there >>>>>>>>> is added functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I think there are potentially some deeper issues here. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> The MN sees the original MAG as its "delegating router". When >>>>>>>> the MN changes to a new MAG, there is no good way to tell that >>>>>>>> the delegated prefixes are still routable to the link. The >>> delegating >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> This is what the I-D is about.. That's we got the new signaling >>>>>>> in place and the handover case described in Section 3.4.3. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> router has become unreachable. The new router may send an RA >>>>>>>> that advertises the original link prefix, and so the MN can tell >>>>>>>> that its SLAAC unicast addresses are still valid on the link. >>> However, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> When the MR (i.e. in RFC5213 terminology the MN) does a handover, >>>>>>> the prefix used between the MR-MAG stays the same as usually >>>>>>> provided by PMIP6. Section 3.4.3 the describes what the MAG has to >>>>>>> do in order to know the existing delegated prefixes and set the >>>>>>> forwarding state. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> RFC 3633 says that the delegated prefix is NOT advertised on the >>>>>>>> link between the delegating router and the requesting router. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> And they are not. The delegated prefixes are used on the >>>>>>> downstream interfaces of the MR, not on the MR-MAG link. If the >>>>>>> prefix used on the MR-MAG link is part of the delegated prefix, >>>>>>> then the MR has to use RFC6603. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Therefore, there is no way for the MR to determine whether it >>>>>>>> can still use the delegated prefixes, other than perhaps >>>>>>>> re-running DHCPv6-PD on the new link. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> From MR point of view nothing changed. So what is the issue? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> - Jouni >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> -Pete >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> netext mailing list >>>>>>>> netext@ietf.org >>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Wed Nov 21 03:08:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490D121F85C1 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:08:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mItgNjaPdr6E for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:08:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45AF21F8586 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44931 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Tb89x-0006GU-Hx; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:08:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "netext issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com X-Trac-Project: netext Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:08:00 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/netext/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/netext/trac/ticket/11 Message-ID: <066.2420579e67711780f9a0549c04d3b76e@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 11 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com, netext@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es Resent-Message-Id: <20121121110822.E45AF21F8586@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:08:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: [netext] #11: Vague assumption on handover decision model X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:08:26 -0000 #11: Vague assumption on handover decision model The I-D is not clear about the mobility initiator (mobility initiated by the mobile node or by the LMA?). For example, section 3.2.1 seems to implicitly assume LMA initiated mobility [the local mobility anchor does not need to perform any kind of signaling in order to move flows] while section 3.2.2 states that "The trigger for the flow movement can be on the mobile [...] node or on the network" However, the assumption on handover decision making must be clearly stated somewhere in the document (use-case section or in the beginning on the section "basic operations"....). Besides, it must be clarified that decision to move flows MUST be either on the MN or the LMA, not on both. The point is: when LMA and MN decision do not match, only one of these two entities must be able to make the final decision, otherwise there no way to synchronize forwarding policies. Note that this point has been already discussed on list. -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-netext- pierrick.seite@orange.com | pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org Type: defect | Status: new Priority: critical | Milestone: Component: pmipv6-flowmob | Version: Severity: Active WG Document | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: netext From trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Wed Nov 21 03:17:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7602021F845D for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:17:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tq4dcI0-AWbd for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:17:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF93821F844E for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45707 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Tb8Ix-00077m-3P; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:17:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "netext issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com X-Trac-Project: netext Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:17:19 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/netext/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/netext/trac/ticket/12 Message-ID: <066.21c3ae47b2fbf187e34cb9093fff7c09@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 12 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com, netext@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es Resent-Message-Id: <20121121111730.DF93821F844E@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:17:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: [netext] #12: missing considerations on how to maintain consistent forwarding policies X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:17:31 -0000 #12: missing considerations on how to maintain consistent forwarding policies Introduction and section 3.2 require consistent forwarding policies in both LMA and MN. That's true, but, it should also be stressed that, when the MN (or the LMA) moves a flow (i.e. update its forwarding policy), the LMA (or the MN) must update its policy accordingly. The document states that digression on policy consistency is out of scope; but dynamic policies alignment is a key requirement and the document should gives clues on that. The point is that this document is useless if there is no way to maintain consistent policies. -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-netext- pierrick.seite@orange.com | pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org Type: defect | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Component: pmipv6-flowmob | Version: Severity: Active WG Document | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: netext From trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Wed Nov 21 03:22:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB0D21F85B0 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:22:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7vPQHLKjLz21 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:22:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3413121F857B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45827 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Tb8Ng-0002ic-Fd; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:22:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "netext issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com X-Trac-Project: netext Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:22:12 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/netext/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/netext/trac/ticket/13 Message-ID: <066.bd353fb817095768de7631c7350cf5c5@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 13 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com, netext@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es Resent-Message-Id: <20121121112214.3413121F857B@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:22:13 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: [netext] #13: remove Hybrid scenario for prefix management X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:22:14 -0000 #13: remove Hybrid scenario for prefix management Hybrid scenario (scenario 3) is not detailed (section 3.2.3 basically says nothing). If we can't give motivation for scenario 3, we should remove it. -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-netext- pierrick.seite@orange.com | pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Component: pmipv6-flowmob | Version: Severity: Active WG Document | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: netext From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Wed Nov 21 04:03:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF07521F8652 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1-sMXkMiCNtx for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from vs15.mail.saunalahti.fi (vs15.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.117.202]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440C221F85A3 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from vams (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vs15.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with SMTP id 122D840049; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:03:08 +0200 (EET) Received: from gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.116]) by vs15.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EAC40049; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:03:08 +0200 (EET) Received: from [10.255.243.76] (unknown [194.251.119.201]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gw02.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFF4139557; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:03:03 +0200 (EET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: jouni korhonen In-Reply-To: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58A92@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:03:02 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E5890E@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <4B2145DF-3D42-4EE4-A1F7-E3622F2A74D8@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58955@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58A92@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> To: Peter McCann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:03:11 -0000 Pete, On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:55 AM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Jouni, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What if the new MAG cannot connect back to the old LMA? How >>>>>>> does the MR find out that its delegated prefix is no longer routable? >>>>>> >>>>>> In that case your PMIP session goes down.. and the MR sees it as >>>>>> a change of the link. In that case MR does what any DHCP client >>>>>> is supposed to do i.e. verify whether its prefixes are still >>>>>> valid on the new link using a confirm/reply exchange. >>>>> >>>>> How exactly does the MR detect that the PMIP session has gone down? >>>>> The MR sees a MAG with the same globally reserved link-layer and >>>>> link-local address. Is it looking for a Router Advertisement with a >>>>> new link prefix? RFC 4861 specifies that subsequent Router >>>>> Advertisements do not invalidate previously received information. >>>> >>>> If the PMIP session goes down and the LMA changes then the HNP also >>>> changes. For the MR that is an indication that something happened >>>> on the link -> confirm. >>> >>> The only way to communicate the new HNP is with an RA, correct? >> >> No. Also DHCP applies. If your assumption about MN/MR not being able >> to figure out when to confirm its address/prefix, then whole RFC5213 >> DHCP- based address assignment would be broken. > > I guess if you sent a DHCP Renew every time you detected a link flap > (handover to new MAG) that would do the trick. It seems somewhat > expensive, though. It is what RFC3315 says.. client sends a confirm request. >>>> If that is not a good enough indication I would assume the MR gets >>>> link up/down even since the end of PMIP session would also mean the >>>> MAG kicks the MR out of the L2 session. >>> >>> I don't see why this handover should be any different at L2 from the >>> handovers within a single PMIP domain. I think the MN would get >>> link down/up (or not) in both cases, and would not be able to >>> distinguish the end of the session on this basis. >> >> You were talking about the change of LMA.. which would per current >> specs mean end of PMIP session. Now if PMIP session ends the MN/MR >> won't be let hanging around in L2 either, right? So the MN/MR would >> definitely know that it got kicked away. Think e.g. about cellular >> case. The lost of session means the link is plain gone. > > It's perfectly conceivable to have an L2 handover to a new MAG in a > new PMIP domain. I don't see why the L2 should be modified to know > about the topology of which MAGs can reach which LMAs. Are we still talking about the concern where the LMA changes as a result of a handover or something else? >>>> If the link is some wireless technology e.g. a cellular link, then >>>> a PMIP session change would equal more drastic stuff on the MAG >>>> facing interface/link. The MR would definitely know the link >>>> changed or something happened to it -> confirm. >>> >>> It is an inter-MAG handover like any other. Indistinguishable at L2. >> >> It is way different than an inter-MAG handover. See above. > > Why would the L2 know about the MAG-to-LMA topology? The LMA-LMA hanover, as per current RFC5213, would be visible as a link flap or L2 session termination whatever. At least on those L2 technologies that I am aware of. >>>> To be sure the MR sees the change of link, each PMIP session could >>>> have their unique MAG link-local (possible by specs but a hack in a >>>> way, thus not elaborated in this I-D). >>> >>> Even so the receipt of a new RA from a new link-local address would not >>> invalidate the old information received from the old MAG. This is not >>> a trigger that deprecates the old prefix. An MN conforming to 4861 >>> would not necessarily take any action upon receiving the new RA. >> >> DNA. > > Ok, but if all the MAGs are using the same link-local address, NUD > would come back saying the router is still reachable, right? Would > the MN/MR invalidate or try to reconfirm the old information in this > circumstance? The context for my assertion was stated earlier: "..To be sure the MR sees the change of link, each PMIP session could have their unique MAG link-local.." NUD would fail. >>>> Even RFC3315 is rather vague how the client figures out the link >>>> changed. It is just assumed it somehow gets some indication something >>>> happened. >>> >>> I don't think we can assume that inter-MAG handoffs involving a change >>> of LMA are at all distinguishable at the link layer from inter-MAG >>> handoffs that do not involve a change of LMA. >> >> I disagree. You would know it at your L2. And even if you wouldn't >> have such L2, your MAG or latest LMA should send you a destination >> unreachable ICMP telling the packets (having src out of delegated >> prefix) won't get delivered. If not.. then the deployment is broken >> and we cannot fix that part with a spec. > > ICMP would only be sent if traffic is being generated. I am more worried > about a state where the MN thinks its prefix is still good, but packets > aren't being delivered and it could be an indeterminate amount of time > before the situation is recognized/corrected. How does this differ from what we see out in live today? Actually, if the delegated prefix is not valid anymore but no host communicate outside world there is no need to renumber immediately. Only until the outside world is concerned again. There was a similar discussion e.g. in homenet. - Jouni > > -Pete > >> - Jouni >> >> >>> >>> -Pete >>> >>>> >>>> - Jouni >>>> >>>>> Besides, as we have noted, the RAs have nothing to do with the >>>>> delegated prefix so it seems wrong to use them to control the >>>>> validity of the delegated prefix. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Pete >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - JOuni >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Pete >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pete, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Basavaraj Patil wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of >>>>>>>>>> packets via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that >>>>>>>>>> are derived from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there >>>>>>>>>> is added functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think there are potentially some deeper issues here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The MN sees the original MAG as its "delegating router". When >>>>>>>>> the MN changes to a new MAG, there is no good way to tell that >>>>>>>>> the delegated prefixes are still routable to the link. The >>>> delegating >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is what the I-D is about.. That's we got the new signaling >>>>>>>> in place and the handover case described in Section 3.4.3. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> router has become unreachable. The new router may send an RA >>>>>>>>> that advertises the original link prefix, and so the MN can tell >>>>>>>>> that its SLAAC unicast addresses are still valid on the link. >>>> However, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When the MR (i.e. in RFC5213 terminology the MN) does a handover, >>>>>>>> the prefix used between the MR-MAG stays the same as usually >>>>>>>> provided by PMIP6. Section 3.4.3 the describes what the MAG has to >>>>>>>> do in order to know the existing delegated prefixes and set the >>>>>>>> forwarding state. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RFC 3633 says that the delegated prefix is NOT advertised on the >>>>>>>>> link between the delegating router and the requesting router. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And they are not. The delegated prefixes are used on the >>>>>>>> downstream interfaces of the MR, not on the MR-MAG link. If the >>>>>>>> prefix used on the MR-MAG link is part of the delegated prefix, >>>>>>>> then the MR has to use RFC6603. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Therefore, there is no way for the MR to determine whether it >>>>>>>>> can still use the delegated prefixes, other than perhaps >>>>>>>>> re-running DHCPv6-PD on the new link. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From MR point of view nothing changed. So what is the issue? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Jouni >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Pete >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> netext mailing list >>>>>>>>> netext@ietf.org >>>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> > > > From trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Wed Nov 21 04:31:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2729D21F842A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:31:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4edxSkVvLj3j for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:31:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD8E21F855F for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52446 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Tb9Si-0007VX-VV; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:31:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "netext issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com X-Trac-Project: netext Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:31:28 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/netext/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/netext/trac/ticket/14 Message-ID: <066.98cfed4dabfacff3dee7d769de9d3aa3@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 14 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com, netext@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es Resent-Message-Id: <20121121123142.7AD8E21F855F@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:31:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: [netext] #14: Align terminology X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:31:43 -0000 #14: Align terminology In section 3.2 both MN-LL-Identifier and Mobile Node Link-Layer Identifier. Wording should be aligned. -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-netext- pierrick.seite@orange.com | pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: trivial | Milestone: Component: pmipv6-flowmob | Version: Severity: - | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: netext From trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Wed Nov 21 04:34:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0877F21F862D for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:34:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zXJ77OJMfzia for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7311221F85CB for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52828 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Tb9W5-0004T5-3c; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:34:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "netext issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com X-Trac-Project: netext Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:34:57 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/netext/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/netext/trac/ticket/15 Message-ID: <066.92fae5892dd47f6df59125978f3b0285@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 15 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com, netext@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es Resent-Message-Id: <20121121123458.7311221F85CB@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:34:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: [netext] #15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:34:59 -0000 #15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA If we go for pBU triggered by LMA signaling, the solution should use update notification UPN/UPA from draft-krishnan-netext-update- notifications (If adopted by the WG) instead of FMI/FMA which are functionally similar. -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-netext- pierrick.seite@orange.com | pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Component: pmipv6-flowmob | Version: Severity: - | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: netext From trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Wed Nov 21 04:37:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE40B21F85E0 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:37:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f5alGzsUPlwG for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23AB721F8519 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53068 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Tb9Y1-00089J-QS; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:36:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "netext issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com X-Trac-Project: netext Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:36:57 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/netext/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/netext/trac/ticket/16 Message-ID: <066.3e6b8aecad5b672bd54c5b2b61eaa5bd@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 16 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com, netext@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es Resent-Message-Id: <20121121123709.23AB721F8519@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:37:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: [netext] #16: requirement for single interface X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:37:09 -0000 #16: requirement for single interface In section 3.2.1: [if the IP layer at the mobile node shows one single interface, then the mobile node has one single IPv6 address configured at the IP layer: pref1::mn1. Otherwise, two different IPv6 addresses (pref1::if1 and pref1::if2) would be configured.] Isn't "mobile node showing one single interface" a requirement? If two different IP addresses are configured, how IP flow mobility can provide IP session continuity? -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-netext- pierrick.seite@orange.com | pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org Type: defect | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Component: pmipv6-flowmob | Version: Severity: Active WG Document | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: netext From trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Wed Nov 21 04:39:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28EC21F8519 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:39:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4S5fMdoxZVG0 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D35321F84CA for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53115 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Tb9ac-0006w4-RB; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:39:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "netext issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com X-Trac-Project: netext Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:39:38 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/netext/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/netext/trac/ticket/17 Message-ID: <066.bd37e46c534fad0293bbdf77a26c0f95@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 17 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, pierrick.seite@orange.com, netext@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es Resent-Message-Id: <20121121123944.4D35321F84CA@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:39:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: [netext] #17: restrict scenario #2 to LMA initiated handover X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:39:45 -0000 #17: restrict scenario #2 to LMA initiated handover scenario #2/section 3.2.2 gives two examples of triggers for MN initiated handover: 1. by using layer-2 signaling: what kind of L2 signaling, between MN and LMA, can be used as mobility trigger? It must be clearly stated if such a statement implicitly leads to requirement on L2 (e.g. support of IEEE 802.21 required). 2. by explicitly start sending flow packets via a new interface: this statement seems to conflict with the need for FMI/FMA. If the packet can reach the LMA, the MAG does need to be configured (I can't remember if we have already discussed this on the list... sorry if so...) If operations for MN initiated handover cannot be clearly described, it should mentioned that scenario #2 covers only LMA initiated handover only. -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-netext- pierrick.seite@orange.com | pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org Type: defect | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Component: pmipv6-flowmob | Version: Severity: Active WG Document | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: netext From Peter.McCann@huawei.com Wed Nov 21 08:34:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F38921F8757 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:34:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.559 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.559 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.040, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Idx2bmHj0Isr for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC5721F8755 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ANA15150; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:34:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:34:10 +0000 Received: from DFWEML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.132) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:34:39 +0000 Received: from dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.159]) by dfweml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.132]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:34:36 -0800 From: Peter McCann To: jouni korhonen Thread-Topic: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) Thread-Index: AQHNxz3DQQQBC3W/sU+JRgVtIyAvCpfy7olggAC+hYD//3xY0IAAjCcA//97uoCAAJVJgP//ejdQABOHHoAABSeKoAAWNosAAAesqeA= Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:34:36 +0000 Message-ID: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58BDE@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E5890E@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <4B2145DF-3D42-4EE4-A1F7-E3622F2A74D8@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58955@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58A92@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.193.125.100] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:34:44 -0000 Hi, Jouni, jouni korhonen wrote: >>=20 >> I guess if you sent a DHCP Renew every time you detected a link flap >> (handover to new MAG) that would do the trick. It seems somewhat >> expensive, though. >=20 > It is what RFC3315 says.. client sends a confirm request. Right, I am just pointing out that the link may flap even when the same LMA is reachable. Seems like overhead. You seem to be requiring that the link doesn't flap when the PMIP session continues after a MAG to MAG handover under the same LMA. >> It's perfectly conceivable to have an L2 handover to a new MAG in a >> new PMIP domain. I don't see why the L2 should be modified to know >> about the topology of which MAGs can reach which LMAs. >=20 > Are we still talking about the concern where the LMA changes as a > result of a handover or something else? I was still talking about change of LMA. I still don't see why the L2 would behave differently depending on whether the new MAG can reach the old LMA. >> Why would the L2 know about the MAG-to-LMA topology? >=20 > The LMA-LMA hanover, as per current RFC5213, would be visible as a > link flap or L2 session termination whatever. At least on those L2 > technologies that I am aware of. In my view, a MAG to MAG handover under the same LMA is equally likely to lead to a link flap. Which really does no harm, it only leads to extra DHCP or RS/RA reconfirmation traffic in this case. >> Ok, but if all the MAGs are using the same link-local address, NUD >> would come back saying the router is still reachable, right? Would >> the MN/MR invalidate or try to reconfirm the old information in this >> circumstance? >=20 > The context for my assertion was stated earlier: >=20 > "..To be sure the MR sees the change of link, each PMIP session could > have their unique MAG link-local.." NUD would fail. Yes, that might help, but it seems to run counter to the recommendation in RFC 6543. Also, I am not so sure that it will be possible to define clean boundaries a priori where different link local addresses would be assigned. There may be some overlap in the LMA coverage areas (although I agree this may not be likely. More likely would be distinct administrati= ve domains with no relationship or coordination between them, which makes coordinating assignment of MAG link-local addresses difficult). >> ICMP would only be sent if traffic is being generated. I am more >> worried about a state where the MN thinks its prefix is still good, >> but packets aren't being delivered and it could be an indeterminate >> amount of time before the situation is recognized/corrected. >=20 > How does this differ from what we see out in live today? Actually, if > the delegated prefix is not valid anymore but no host communicate > outside world there is no need to renumber immediately. Only until the > outside world is concerned again. There was a similar discussion e.g. > in homenet. You may be running a server on the MN which is waiting for inbound connections. The peer correspondent nodes would send traffic to the old prefix, and there would be no indication to the MN that the old prefix isn't valid anymore. -Pete >=20 > - Jouni >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> -Pete >>=20 >>> - Jouni >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -Pete >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> - Jouni >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Besides, as we have noted, the RAs have nothing to do with the >>>>>> delegated prefix so it seems wrong to use them to control the >>>>>> validity of the delegated prefix. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -Pete >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> - JOuni >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> -Pete >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Pete, >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Basavaraj Patil wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of >>>>>>>>>>> packets via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that >>>>>>>>>>> are derived from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if >>>>>>>>>>> there is added functionality needed at the MAG to > accomplish this. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> I think there are potentially some deeper issues here. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> The MN sees the original MAG as its "delegating router". When >>>>>>>>>> the MN changes to a new MAG, there is no good way to tell that >>>>>>>>>> the delegated prefixes are still routable to the link. The >>>>> delegating >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> This is what the I-D is about.. That's we got the new signaling >>>>>>>>> in place and the handover case described in Section 3.4.3. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> router has become unreachable. The new router may send an >>>>>>>>>> RA that advertises the original link prefix, and so the MN >>>>>>>>>> can tell that its SLAAC unicast addresses are still valid on >>>>>>>>>> the > link. >>>>> However, >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> When the MR (i.e. in RFC5213 terminology the MN) does a >>>>>>>>> handover, the prefix used between the MR-MAG stays the same as >>>>>>>>> usually provided by PMIP6. Section 3.4.3 the describes what the >>>>>>>>> MAG has to do in order to know the existing delegated prefixes >>>>>>>>> and set the forwarding state. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> RFC 3633 says that the delegated prefix is NOT advertised on >>>>>>>>>> the link between the delegating router and the requesting > router. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> And they are not. The delegated prefixes are used on the >>>>>>>>> downstream interfaces of the MR, not on the MR-MAG link. If the >>>>>>>>> prefix used on the MR-MAG link is part of the delegated prefix, >>>>>>>>> then the MR has to use RFC6603. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Therefore, there is no way for the MR to determine whether >>>>>>>>>> it can still use the delegated prefixes, other than perhaps >>>>>>>>>> re-running DHCPv6-PD on the new link. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> From MR point of view nothing changed. So what is the issue? >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> - Jouni >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> -Pete >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> netext mailing list >>>>>>>>>> netext@ietf.org >>>>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext From bpatil1@gmail.com Wed Nov 21 09:09:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0E421F858F for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:09:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8ISksdE+LVcB for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6A221F857B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id c13so3437801ieb.31 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:09:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=szqlFy/lbqbFpkvR8+WEJmpfh9i74ZQY8ntAdQpy6bk=; b=JpUXkmIScRG2C51928ph98g7hEPmc8egR/x7jDbn/lTuIM2/nyJvsBlHcN3o2w2qnW 5bzHaGumP321YWCj9SKnFmf1uiF/0hxbRI+0SAARYxFT8c3Nf2M92c504js4wreA+H2e sEuNWqDapPpAQ0sQt7KV0VpAFu17JGUIgWxIh3P4S9Q3PJrh8UtXISa49cZCS9ekjrqO 1EB3RvV9/3LTJM39DDddbrsJtt6iRoxVtRHhhseCR8UR+yVLlIWB+dQgFd4x2BpvckCU VMsC/piGVRCqmjyke8h+lLC1m3cQLu0Jj/BZhe5DazTXHPkEnC+ZJv/SKvKFxKktQ5i9 ci9A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.15.134 with SMTP id x6mr227687igc.27.1353517792839; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.101.197 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:09:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:09:52 -0600 Message-ID: From: Basavaraj Patil To: jouni korhonen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340c473d46cd04cf046bd3 Cc: netext@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:09:54 -0000 --14dae9340c473d46cd04cf046bd3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Inline: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:56 PM, jouni korhonen wrote: > > Raj, > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Basavaraj Patil wrote: > > > > > > > I-D: Prefix Delegation for Proxy Mobile IPv6 > > > > > > > > Issues: > > ------- > > 1. I-D states: "However, Proxy Mobile IPv6 does not support assigning > > a prefix to a router and managing its IP mobility." > > > > PMIP6 specifically mentions that the network based mobility solution > > is for a host (as defined in RFC3775). It would be useful to mention > > that this I-D is extending network based mobility support to routers > > as well. > > Ok. I would write this as: > > responsible for managing IP mobility on behalf of the host. However, > Proxy Mobile IPv6 does not support assigning a prefix to a router and > managing IP mobility for it and the networks it serves. This document > Raj> Okay. > > > 2. "This document specifies an extension to > > Proxy Mobile IPv6 protocol for supporting network mobility using > > DHCPv6-based Prefix Delegation." > > > > Should it explicitly state that the extension to PMIP6 protocol is for > > enabling network mobility for routers? > > Maybe.. see above. > Raj> No harm in emphasizing it. > > > 3. "The mobility elements in the network allow the > > IP host to obtain an IPv4 address and/or a set of IPv6 addresses > > ..." > > > > MAG/LMA assign the host an IPv6 prefix. > > Could you elaborate a bit more? > Raj> The I-D is saying that the LMA assigns the MN a set of IPv6 addresses. What I meant is that the LMA assigns IPv6 prefixes to the MN. > > > > 4. Would be useful to mention how binding revocation is handled in the > > case of delegated prefixes to the MR. > > Good point. That needs to be clarified. > > > 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of packets > > via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that are derived > > from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there is added > > functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this. > > Section 3.4.2 states it..? I don't quite get what is missing here.. > Raj> Right. I missed that. The text in 3.4.2 : " o On receiving packets from a mobile router connected to one access link, the mobile access gateway MUST ensure that there is an established binding for the mobile router and the local mobility anchor for the source delegated mobile network prefix before tunneling the packet to the MR's local mobility anchor. " is fine. So the MAG ensures that the packet can be forwarded by checking the extended BULE at the MAG? -Raj > > - Jouni > > > > > > > > > > -Raj > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netext mailing list > > netext@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > > -- Basavaraj Patil --14dae9340c473d46cd04cf046bd3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Inline:

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:56 = PM, jouni korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Raj,

On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Basavaraj Patil wrote:

>
>
> I-D: Prefix Delegation for Proxy Mobile IPv6
> <draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip-05>
>
>
> Issues:
> -------
> 1. I-D states: "However, Proxy Mobile IPv6 does not support assig= ning
> a prefix to a router and =A0managing its IP mobility."
>
> PMIP6 specifically mentions that the network based mobility solution > is for a host (as defined in RFC3775). It would be useful to mention > that this I-D is extending network based mobility support to routers > as well.

Ok. I would write this as:

=A0 =A0responsible for managing IP mobility on behalf of the host. =A0Howev= er,
=A0 =A0Proxy Mobile IPv6 does not support assigning a pre= fix to a router and
=A0 =A0managing IP mobility for it and the networks it serves. This d= ocument


Raj> Okay.
=A0

> 2. "This document specifies an extension to
> =A0 =A0Proxy Mobile IPv6 protocol for supporting network mobility usin= g
> =A0 =A0DHCPv6-based Prefix Delegation."
>
> Should it explicitly state that the extension to PMIP6 protocol is for=
> enabling network mobility for routers?

Maybe.. see above.

Raj> No harm in emphas= izing it.
=A0

> 3. "The mobility elements in the network allow the
> =A0 =A0IP host to obtain an IPv4 address and/or a set of IPv6 addresse= s
> =A0 =A0..."
>
> MAG/LMA assign the host an IPv6 prefix.

Could you elaborate a bit more?

Raj> The = I-D is saying that the LMA assigns the MN a set of IPv6 addresses. What I m= eant is that the LMA assigns IPv6 prefixes to the MN.
=A0


> 4. Would be useful to mention how binding revocation is handled in the=
> case of delegated prefixes to the MR.

Good point. That needs to be clarified.

> 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding of packets<= br> > via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address that are derived
> from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if there is added
> functionality needed at the MAG to accomplish this.

Section 3.4.2 states it..? I don't quite get what is missing here= ..

Raj> Right. I missed that.
The text in 3.= 4.2 :
"
   o  On receiving packets from a mobile router con=
nected to one access
      link, the mobile access gateway MUST ensure that there is an
      established binding for the mobile router and the local mobility
      anchor for the source delegated mobile network prefix before
      tunneling the packet to the MR's local mobility anchor.
&quo= t;

is fine. So the MAG ensures that the packet can be forwarded by c= hecking the extended BULE at the MAG?

-Raj

- Jouni


>
>
>
> -Raj
>
> _______________________________________________
> netext mailing list
> netext@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext




--
Basavaraj P= atil
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([2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bf3sm1135854lbb.16.2012.11.22.00.55.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:55:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: jouni korhonen In-Reply-To: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58BDE@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:54:59 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <88BBDF91-7A51-427A-BD3C-897B79C17781@gmail.com> References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E5890E@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <4B2145DF-3D42-4EE4-A1F7-E3622F2A74D8@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58955@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58A92@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58BDE@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> To: Peter McCann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:55:07 -0000 Pete, I hope we start getting closer to convergence.. this thread is getting = longish.. On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:34 PM, Peter McCann wrote: > Hi, Jouni, >=20 > jouni korhonen wrote: >>>=20 >>> I guess if you sent a DHCP Renew every time you detected a link flap >>> (handover to new MAG) that would do the trick. It seems somewhat >>> expensive, though. >>=20 >> It is what RFC3315 says.. client sends a confirm request. >=20 > Right, I am just pointing out that the link may flap even when the > same LMA is reachable. Seems like overhead. You seem to be requiring > that the link doesn't flap when the PMIP session continues after a MAG > to MAG handover under the same LMA. I would say it it does not flap. The MR (at will) will still see it as a change of access point or something equivalent at the L2. If that event then gets delivered to the IP level somehow is out of my control. I have no control how the DHCPv6-PD client gets implemented in the MR or = whether the network driver delivers proper events to upper layers. This is getting to the original reason why we wrote the draft. Depending on how the MR figures out "whether the link changed" it may or may not bother sending the Confirm Request. And if it does not, then the MAG = does not know about the delegated prefixes -> forwarding fails. On the = network side I cannot really trust the MR DHCPv6-PD client to do the right thing all the time.=20 >>> It's perfectly conceivable to have an L2 handover to a new MAG in a >>> new PMIP domain. I don't see why the L2 should be modified to know >>> about the topology of which MAGs can reach which LMAs. >>=20 >> Are we still talking about the concern where the LMA changes as a >> result of a handover or something else? >=20 > I was still talking about change of LMA. I still don't see why the L2 > would behave differently depending on whether the new MAG can reach = the > old LMA. >=20 >>> Why would the L2 know about the MAG-to-LMA topology? >>=20 >> The LMA-LMA hanover, as per current RFC5213, would be visible as a >> link flap or L2 session termination whatever. At least on those L2 >> technologies that I am aware of. >=20 > In my view, a MAG to MAG handover under the same LMA is equally likely > to lead to a link flap. Which really does no harm, it only leads to > extra DHCP or RS/RA reconfirmation traffic in this case. LMA-LMA handover based on the existing specs means the end of PMIP = session, which on the point-to-point link technologies I am aware of also results in the termination of the L2 session. We have not defined how = renumbering would work in this case. In certain L2 technologies renumbering is not even supported (ref 3GPP). >>> Ok, but if all the MAGs are using the same link-local address, NUD >>> would come back saying the router is still reachable, right? Would >>> the MN/MR invalidate or try to reconfirm the old information in this >>> circumstance? >>=20 >> The context for my assertion was stated earlier: >>=20 >> "..To be sure the MR sees the change of link, each PMIP session could >> have their unique MAG link-local.." NUD would fail. >=20 > Yes, that might help, but it seems to run counter to the = recommendation > in RFC 6543. Also, I am not so sure that it will be possible to = define I know and again back to the context of my assertion: "..(possible by specs but a hack in a way, thus not elaborated in this = I-D)." And that "specs" dates to original RC5213 which would allow us this. = Even when using RFC6543 I can turn it off by configuration. > clean boundaries a priori where different link local addresses would > be assigned. There may be some overlap in the LMA coverage areas = (although Assuming RFC6543 is not used and we do assign different link-locals, = then it is up to the LMA decide when to use which link-local. Two examples: each = LMA has its own or each PMIP session gets its own "unique" link-local. Both = cases have possibility of address collisions but are quite unlikely. I do not = really care about coverage areas rather the case when something happened on the = emulated home link and for that case the two examples would be sufficient. Note = that I am not prompting such "solution". > I agree this may not be likely. More likely would be distinct = administrative > domains with no relationship or coordination between them, which makes > coordinating assignment of MAG link-local addresses difficult). >=20 >>> ICMP would only be sent if traffic is being generated. I am more >>> worried about a state where the MN thinks its prefix is still good, >>> but packets aren't being delivered and it could be an indeterminate >>> amount of time before the situation is recognized/corrected. >>=20 >> How does this differ from what we see out in live today? Actually, if >> the delegated prefix is not valid anymore but no host communicate >> outside world there is no need to renumber immediately. Only until = the >> outside world is concerned again. There was a similar discussion e.g. >> in homenet. >=20 > You may be running a server on the MN which is waiting for inbound > connections. The peer correspondent nodes would send traffic to the > old prefix, and there would be no indication to the MN that the old > prefix isn't valid anymore. As said we cannot heal all networking issues by specifications if people do not implement them properly. If your delegated prefix is gone from = the network point of view and your MR sits there doing nothing while it = should based on e.g. RFC3315, tough luck. - Jouni >=20 > -Pete >=20 >>=20 >> - Jouni >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> -Pete >>>=20 >>>> - Jouni >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> -Pete >>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> - Jouni >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Besides, as we have noted, the RAs have nothing to do with the >>>>>>> delegated prefix so it seems wrong to use them to control the >>>>>>> validity of the delegated prefix. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -Pete >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> - JOuni >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> -Pete >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Pete, >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Basavaraj Patil wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> 5. How does the MAG know that it needs to allow forwarding = of >>>>>>>>>>>> packets via the PMIP6 tunnel for packets with SRC address = that >>>>>>>>>>>> are derived from the delegated prefixes? Its not clear if >>>>>>>>>>>> there is added functionality needed at the MAG to >> accomplish this. >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> I think there are potentially some deeper issues here. >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> The MN sees the original MAG as its "delegating router". = When >>>>>>>>>>> the MN changes to a new MAG, there is no good way to tell = that >>>>>>>>>>> the delegated prefixes are still routable to the link. The >>>>>> delegating >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> This is what the I-D is about.. That's we got the new = signaling >>>>>>>>>> in place and the handover case described in Section 3.4.3. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> router has become unreachable. The new router may send an >>>>>>>>>>> RA that advertises the original link prefix, and so the MN >>>>>>>>>>> can tell that its SLAAC unicast addresses are still valid on >>>>>>>>>>> the >> link. >>>>>> However, >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> When the MR (i.e. in RFC5213 terminology the MN) does a >>>>>>>>>> handover, the prefix used between the MR-MAG stays the same = as >>>>>>>>>> usually provided by PMIP6. Section 3.4.3 the describes what = the >>>>>>>>>> MAG has to do in order to know the existing delegated = prefixes >>>>>>>>>> and set the forwarding state. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> RFC 3633 says that the delegated prefix is NOT advertised on >>>>>>>>>>> the link between the delegating router and the requesting >> router. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> And they are not. The delegated prefixes are used on the >>>>>>>>>> downstream interfaces of the MR, not on the MR-MAG link. If = the >>>>>>>>>> prefix used on the MR-MAG link is part of the delegated = prefix, >>>>>>>>>> then the MR has to use RFC6603. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, there is no way for the MR to determine whether >>>>>>>>>>> it can still use the delegated prefixes, other than perhaps >>>>>>>>>>> re-running DHCPv6-PD on the new link. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> =46rom MR point of view nothing changed. So what is the = issue? >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> - Jouni >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> -Pete >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> netext mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> netext@ietf.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netext mailing list >> netext@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext >=20 >=20 >=20 From zhou.xingyue@zte.com.cn Thu Nov 22 01:28:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C72721F87B8 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 01:28:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.27 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.27 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, SORTED_RECIPS=1.125, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9VnfjOB5m4NM for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 01:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from zte.com.cn (mx5.zte.com.cn [63.217.80.70]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9FB21F87BD for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 01:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mse01.zte.com.cn (unknown [10.30.3.20]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id E24AB12965F3; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:29:48 +0800 (CST) Received: from notes_smtp.zte.com.cn ([10.30.1.239]) by mse01.zte.com.cn with ESMTP id qAM9S9bo087684; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:28:09 +0800 (GMT-8) (envelope-from zhou.xingyue@zte.com.cn) In-Reply-To: To: Basavaraj Patil MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: 82C341DC:0DDAC04A-48257ABE:003329C3; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.6 March 06, 2007 Message-ID: From: zhou.xingyue@zte.com.cn Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:27:44 +0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes_smtp/zte_ltd(Release 8.5.3FP1 HF212|May 23, 2012) at 2012-11-22 17:28:05, Serialize complete at 2012-11-22 17:28:05 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0034032C48257ABE_=" X-MAIL: mse01.zte.com.cn qAM9S9bo087684 Cc: netext@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. 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en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.246.88] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:58:15 -0000 Hi, Jouni, jouni korhonen wrote: > Pete, >=20 > I hope we start getting closer to convergence.. this thread is getting > longish.. Yes and sorry about the delay responding. We had the Thanksgiving=20 holiday here in the US and I was out of touch. > On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:34 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >=20 >> Hi, Jouni, >>=20 >> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> I guess if you sent a DHCP Renew every time you detected a link flap >>>> (handover to new MAG) that would do the trick. It seems somewhat >>>> expensive, though. >>>=20 >>> It is what RFC3315 says.. client sends a confirm request. >>=20 >> Right, I am just pointing out that the link may flap even when the same >> LMA is reachable. Seems like overhead. You seem to be requiring that >> the link doesn't flap when the PMIP session continues after a MAG to >> MAG handover under the same LMA. >=20 > I would say it it does not flap. The MR (at will) will still see it as a > change of access point or something equivalent at the L2. If that event > then gets delivered to the IP level somehow is out of my control. I have > no control how the DHCPv6-PD client gets implemented in the MR or > whether the network driver delivers proper events to upper layers. >=20 > This is getting to the original reason why we wrote the draft. Depending > on how the MR figures out "whether the link changed" it may or may not > bother sending the Confirm Request. And if it does not, then the MAG > does not know about the delegated prefixes -> forwarding fails. On the > network side I cannot really trust the MR DHCPv6-PD client to do the > right thing all the time. Ok, so can we summarize the recommendation for PMIP deployments: (1) When handing off between two MAGs under the same LMA, the change of link SHOULD NOT be propagated to the IP stack (the link flap should not be visible to IP). (2) When handing off between two MAGs where the second MAG cannot or does not connect back to the previous LMA, the change of link MUST be propagated up the IP stack. I think that (1) is a SHOULD NOT because violation of this SHOULD NOT only leads to some extra traffic on the link from re-confirmation. In contrast, (2) is a MUST because the absence of a link down/up event could lead to a hung session where the MN thinks it has a routable prefix but actually does not. Have either of these two requirements been codified in 5213 or=20 elsewhere? >>> The LMA-LMA hanover, as per current RFC5213, would be visible as a >>> link flap or L2 session termination whatever. At least on those L2 >>> technologies that I am aware of. >>=20 >> In my view, a MAG to MAG handover under the same LMA is equally likely >> to lead to a link flap. Which really does no harm, it only leads to >> extra DHCP or RS/RA reconfirmation traffic in this case. >=20 > LMA-LMA handover based on the existing specs means the end of PMIP > session, which on the point-to-point link technologies I am aware of > also results in the termination of the L2 session. We have not defined > how renumbering would work in this case. In certain L2 technologies > renumbering is not even supported (ref 3GPP). Are you aware of a deployment of PMIP over the 3GPP PDP context link? I am not. The existing GPRS model is that the GGSN or PGW is the first hop router, and traffic is always tunneled directly back to that router. In contrast, PMIP has the MAG as the first hop router. This is a=20 fundamental difference that IMHO makes it more likely to see a link flap on a MAG to MAG handover, even when the same LMA is reachable from both. I think you agree with me that a change of MAG that results in a change of LMA should always result in a link down/up event that is visible to the IP stack. >> Yes, that might help, but it seems to run counter to the recommendation >> in RFC 6543. Also, I am not so sure that it will be possible to >> define >=20 > I know and again back to the context of my assertion: >=20 > "..(possible by specs but a hack in a way, thus not elaborated in this > I-D)." >=20 > And that "specs" dates to original RC5213 which would allow us this. > Even when using RFC6543 I can turn it off by configuration. Agreed, it's possible. >> clean boundaries a priori where different link local addresses would >> be assigned. There may be some overlap in the LMA coverage areas >> (although >=20 > Assuming RFC6543 is not used and we do assign different link-locals, > then it is up to the LMA decide when to use which link-local. Two > examples: each LMA has its own or each PMIP session gets its own > "unique" link-local. Both cases have possibility of address collisions > but are quite unlikely. I do not really care about coverage areas rather > the case when something happened on the emulated home link and for that > case the two examples would be sufficient. Note that I am not prompting > such "solution". Did you mean to say "up to the MAG"? I am not sure I like the idea of the LMA controlling the MAG's link-local address. >> You may be running a server on the MN which is waiting for inbound >> connections. The peer correspondent nodes would send traffic to the >> old prefix, and there would be no indication to the MN that the old >> prefix isn't valid anymore. >=20 > As said we cannot heal all networking issues by specifications if people > do not implement them properly. If your delegated prefix is gone from > the network point of view and your MR sits there doing nothing while it > should based on e.g. RFC3315, tough luck. If the link down/up event has been hidden from the IP stack, then sitting there doing nothing is exactly what an RFC3315 compliant implementation would do. Hence my use of MUST in (2) above. -Pete From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Mon Nov 26 04:48:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAEE21F8558 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:48:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.639 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.639 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8EPVw1seoLXb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7F921F8550 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hm6so2770016wib.13 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:48:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=im/KymC0ujNr9poVYbemYhLokTesMIx8TPvMOUSWEkk=; b=hb2L7VVsQMrz4RS3ygqLz0LFIxaNOxFHRuuZVuKUGEHqAjjpwz47RYhz8L+iCj5xM6 3g4o+JjN6s4q0jxlkBFuFbEgBhRBeJinlxgLqv+zpQQnMGY7Jpn6x6FxpF3GO9X9jBQ9 EFb9RdmQRohuBbTFfOMySIU3OvCmpFZnYN07ULhDIsaZmRnPr5sSC4z447GTpDLpuD5q 3AfT5hsu0UVZuk8Mkv1AKCjVgvdSvtQhuoQhQ8pMndNCHp0cKelygctEedQvchvsPx5s aeLllrO/x46eURuRgdWprvLYPb6V3jnOG7SYErMR0Rgt4Xl26R9Oxddr0OEYAkfMYTAq qmUw== Received: by 10.180.74.108 with SMTP id s12mr17391720wiv.12.1353934125133; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.255.129.45] ([194.251.119.201]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6sm20971681wix.5.2012.11.26.04.48.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:48:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: jouni korhonen In-Reply-To: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E65D8B@dfweml512-mbb.china.huawei.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:48:39 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <60EF112E-92B4-45D2-90F3-AD64173E4BD4@gmail.com> References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E5890E@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <4B2145DF-3D42-4EE4-A1F7-E3622F2A74D8@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58955@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58A92@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58BDE@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <88BBDF91-7A51-427A-BD3C-897B79C17781@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E65D8B@dfweml512-mbb.china.huawei.com> To: Peter McCann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:48:55 -0000 Pete, On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Peter McCann wrote: > Hi, Jouni, > > jouni korhonen wrote: >> Pete, >> >> I hope we start getting closer to convergence.. this thread is getting >> longish.. > > Yes and sorry about the delay responding. We had the Thanksgiving > holiday here in the US and I was out of touch. > >> On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:34 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >> >>> Hi, Jouni, >>> >>> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I guess if you sent a DHCP Renew every time you detected a link flap >>>>> (handover to new MAG) that would do the trick. It seems somewhat >>>>> expensive, though. >>>> >>>> It is what RFC3315 says.. client sends a confirm request. >>> >>> Right, I am just pointing out that the link may flap even when the same >>> LMA is reachable. Seems like overhead. You seem to be requiring that >>> the link doesn't flap when the PMIP session continues after a MAG to >>> MAG handover under the same LMA. >> >> I would say it it does not flap. The MR (at will) will still see it as a >> change of access point or something equivalent at the L2. If that event >> then gets delivered to the IP level somehow is out of my control. I have >> no control how the DHCPv6-PD client gets implemented in the MR or >> whether the network driver delivers proper events to upper layers. >> >> This is getting to the original reason why we wrote the draft. Depending >> on how the MR figures out "whether the link changed" it may or may not >> bother sending the Confirm Request. And if it does not, then the MAG >> does not know about the delegated prefixes -> forwarding fails. On the >> network side I cannot really trust the MR DHCPv6-PD client to do the >> right thing all the time. > > Ok, so can we summarize the recommendation for PMIP deployments: > > (1) When handing off between two MAGs under the same LMA, the change of > link SHOULD NOT be propagated to the IP stack (the link flap should > not be visible to IP). Should not is OKish. Cannot guarantee that though. > (2) When handing off between two MAGs where the second MAG cannot or > does not connect back to the previous LMA, the change of link MUST be > propagated up the IP stack. Yep. > I think that (1) is a SHOULD NOT because violation of this SHOULD NOT > only leads to some extra traffic on the link from re-confirmation. In > contrast, (2) is a MUST because the absence of a link down/up event > could lead to a hung session where the MN thinks it has a routable > prefix but actually does not. > > Have either of these two requirements been codified in 5213 or > elsewhere? RFC5213 is prepared to handle 1) independent whether the event is sent or not, ref the DNA text and link-local address MO. > >>>> The LMA-LMA hanover, as per current RFC5213, would be visible as a >>>> link flap or L2 session termination whatever. At least on those L2 >>>> technologies that I am aware of. >>> >>> In my view, a MAG to MAG handover under the same LMA is equally likely >>> to lead to a link flap. Which really does no harm, it only leads to >>> extra DHCP or RS/RA reconfirmation traffic in this case. >> >> LMA-LMA handover based on the existing specs means the end of PMIP >> session, which on the point-to-point link technologies I am aware of >> also results in the termination of the L2 session. We have not defined >> how renumbering would work in this case. In certain L2 technologies >> renumbering is not even supported (ref 3GPP). > > Are you aware of a deployment of PMIP over the 3GPP PDP context link? > I am not. The existing GPRS model is that the GGSN or PGW is the first I am. This is not an academic exercise. > hop router, and traffic is always tunneled directly back to that router. > In contrast, PMIP has the MAG as the first hop router. This is a > fundamental difference that IMHO makes it more likely to see a link > flap on a MAG to MAG handover, even when the same LMA is reachable from > both. If the LMA stays the same, the link does not flap. One might receive an event that the access point (or equivalent) changed. This again depends on the client side implementation. > I think you agree with me that a change of MAG that results in a change > of LMA should always result in a link down/up event that is visible to > the IP stack. I repeat what I said earlier. If the LMA changes the L2 session goes down, prefixes may change etc. It is a bit more than just link up/down because it also involves setting up a new PMIP session & L2 session. (on L2 technologies I am concerned with). >>> Yes, that might help, but it seems to run counter to the recommendation >>> in RFC 6543. Also, I am not so sure that it will be possible to >>> define >> >> I know and again back to the context of my assertion: >> >> "..(possible by specs but a hack in a way, thus not elaborated in this >> I-D)." >> >> And that "specs" dates to original RC5213 which would allow us this. >> Even when using RFC6543 I can turn it off by configuration. > > Agreed, it's possible. > >>> clean boundaries a priori where different link local addresses would >>> be assigned. There may be some overlap in the LMA coverage areas >>> (although >> >> Assuming RFC6543 is not used and we do assign different link-locals, >> then it is up to the LMA decide when to use which link-local. Two >> examples: each LMA has its own or each PMIP session gets its own >> "unique" link-local. Both cases have possibility of address collisions >> but are quite unlikely. I do not really care about coverage areas rather >> the case when something happened on the emulated home link and for that >> case the two examples would be sufficient. Note that I am not prompting >> such "solution". > > Did you mean to say "up to the MAG"? I am not sure I like the idea of > the LMA controlling the MAG's link-local address. No.. or lets say my wording was imprecise. Whether this feature is enabled depends on the MAG configuration. If MAG allows the LMA to generate the link-local, then LMA does it and MAG uses that address. In that case the LMA decides when to use which link-local address. >>> You may be running a server on the MN which is waiting for inbound >>> connections. The peer correspondent nodes would send traffic to the >>> old prefix, and there would be no indication to the MN that the old >>> prefix isn't valid anymore. >> >> As said we cannot heal all networking issues by specifications if people >> do not implement them properly. If your delegated prefix is gone from >> the network point of view and your MR sits there doing nothing while it >> should based on e.g. RFC3315, tough luck. > > If the link down/up event has been hidden from the IP stack, then sitting > there doing nothing is exactly what an RFC3315 compliant implementation > would do. Hence my use of MUST in (2) above. Sure. Never claimed it to be different. But as said, I cannot control the client side implementation. That is the point. - Jouni > > -Pete From Peter.McCann@huawei.com Mon Nov 26 07:54:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9145C21F85C7; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:54:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hl3wJgtq2aVq; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AC721F85A6; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AND82885; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:54:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:54:10 +0000 Received: from DFWEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.151) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:54:14 +0000 Received: from DFWEML512-MBB.china.huawei.com ([169.254.14.19]) by dfweml403-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.151]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:54:08 -0800 From: Peter McCann To: jouni korhonen Thread-Topic: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) Thread-Index: AQHNxz3DQQQBC3W/sU+JRgVtIyAvCpfy7olggAC+hYD//3xY0IAAjCcA//97uoCAAJVJgP//ejdQABOHHoAABSeKoAAWNosAAAesqeAAJAylgAC4CjtwABlJU4AACu3TkA== Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:54:07 +0000 Message-ID: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E66E4E@dfweml512-mbb.china.huawei.com> References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E5890E@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <4B2145DF-3D42-4EE4-A1F7-E3622F2A74D8@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58955@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58A92@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58BDE@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <88BBDF91-7A51-427A-BD3C-897B79C17781@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E65D8B@dfweml512-mbb.china.huawei.com> <60EF112E-92B4-45D2-90F3-AD64173E4BD4@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60EF112E-92B4-45D2-90F3-AD64173E4BD4@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.193.125.132] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , "dmm@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:54:26 -0000 Hi, Jouni, jouni korhonen wrote: > Pete, >=20 >=20 > On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Peter McCann wrote: >=20 >> Hi, Jouni, >>=20 >> jouni korhonen wrote: >>> Pete, >>>=20 >>> I hope we start getting closer to convergence.. this thread is getting >>> longish.. >>=20 >> Yes and sorry about the delay responding. We had the Thanksgiving >> holiday here in the US and I was out of touch. >>=20 >>> On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:34 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Hi, Jouni, >>>>=20 >>>> jouni korhonen wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I guess if you sent a DHCP Renew every time you detected a link >>>>>> flap (handover to new MAG) that would do the trick. It seems >>>>>> somewhat expensive, though. >>>>>=20 >>>>> It is what RFC3315 says.. client sends a confirm request. >>>>=20 >>>> Right, I am just pointing out that the link may flap even when the >>>> same LMA is reachable. Seems like overhead. You seem to be >>>> requiring that the link doesn't flap when the PMIP session continues >>>> after a MAG to MAG handover under the same LMA. >>>=20 >>> I would say it it does not flap. The MR (at will) will still see it as >>> a change of access point or something equivalent at the L2. If that >>> event then gets delivered to the IP level somehow is out of my >>> control. I have no control how the DHCPv6-PD client gets implemented >>> in the MR or whether the network driver delivers proper events to >>> upper layers. >>>=20 >>> This is getting to the original reason why we wrote the draft. >>> Depending on how the MR figures out "whether the link changed" it may >>> or may not bother sending the Confirm Request. And if it does not, >>> then the MAG does not know about the delegated prefixes -> forwarding >>> fails. On the network side I cannot really trust the MR DHCPv6-PD >>> client to do the right thing all the time. >>=20 >> Ok, so can we summarize the recommendation for PMIP deployments: >>=20 >> (1) When handing off between two MAGs under the same LMA, the change of >> link SHOULD NOT be propagated to the IP stack (the link flap should not >> be visible to IP). >=20 > Should not is OKish. Cannot guarantee that though. Right. I think that many links will flap on every handover, whether LMA changes or not. >> (2) When handing off between two MAGs where the second MAG cannot or >> does not connect back to the previous LMA, the change of link MUST be >> propagated up the IP stack. >=20 > Yep. Ok, good. >> I think that (1) is a SHOULD NOT because violation of this SHOULD NOT >> only leads to some extra traffic on the link from re-confirmation. In >> contrast, (2) is a MUST because the absence of a link down/up event >> could lead to a hung session where the MN thinks it has a routable >> prefix but actually does not. >>=20 >> Have either of these two requirements been codified in 5213 or >> elsewhere? >=20 > RFC5213 is prepared to handle 1) independent whether the event is > sent or not, ref the DNA text and link-local address MO. Ok, I see that text now. Should we document (2) somewhere? >>>>> The LMA-LMA hanover, as per current RFC5213, would be visible as a >>>>> link flap or L2 session termination whatever. At least on those L2 >>>>> technologies that I am aware of. >>>>=20 >>>> In my view, a MAG to MAG handover under the same LMA is equally >>>> likely to lead to a link flap. Which really does no harm, it only >>>> leads to extra DHCP or RS/RA reconfirmation traffic in this case. >>>=20 >>> LMA-LMA handover based on the existing specs means the end of PMIP >>> session, which on the point-to-point link technologies I am aware of >>> also results in the termination of the L2 session. We have not defined >>> how renumbering would work in this case. In certain L2 technologies >>> renumbering is not even supported (ref 3GPP). >>=20 >> Are you aware of a deployment of PMIP over the 3GPP PDP context link? >> I am not. The existing GPRS model is that the GGSN or PGW is the > first >=20 > I am. This is not an academic exercise. >=20 >> hop router, and traffic is always tunneled directly back to that >> router. In contrast, PMIP has the MAG as the first hop router. This is >> a fundamental difference that IMHO makes it more likely to see a link >> flap on a MAG to MAG handover, even when the same LMA is reachable from >> both. >=20 > If the LMA stays the same, the link does not flap.=20 I don't see how you can make a blanket statement like this for all link layers that might be used for PMIP. In particular, it seems to require a knowledge, at the L2, of whether the current MAG can see the same LMA. This knowledge needs to be propagated across the link to the client, and used to determine whether the link down/up event propagates through the IP stack. Perhaps your particular=20 implementation experience involved carrying such a signal but I cannot imagine that it holds true for every L2, especially if they were not designed with PMIP in mind. > One might receive > an event that the access point (or equivalent) changed. This again > depends on the client side implementation. And in many implementations I can imagine this event treated as a link flap. =20 >> I think you agree with me that a change of MAG that results in a change >> of LMA should always result in a link down/up event that is visible to >> the IP stack. >=20 > I repeat what I said earlier. If the LMA changes the L2 session goes > down, prefixes may change etc. It is a bit more than just link up/down > because it also involves setting up a new PMIP session & L2 session. (on > L2 technologies I am concerned with). You seem to be implying that the L2 technology has a notion of a PMIP session. The layered protocol model would seem to discourage this, and I can imagine that many link layers are designed without PMIP in mind. >>>> Yes, that might help, but it seems to run counter to the >>>> recommendation in RFC 6543. Also, I am not so sure that it will be >>>> possible to define >>>=20 >>> I know and again back to the context of my assertion: >>>=20 >>> "..(possible by specs but a hack in a way, thus not elaborated in this >>> I-D)." >>>=20 >>> And that "specs" dates to original RC5213 which would allow us this. >>> Even when using RFC6543 I can turn it off by configuration. >>=20 >> Agreed, it's possible. >>=20 >>>> clean boundaries a priori where different link local addresses would >>>> be assigned. There may be some overlap in the LMA coverage areas >>>> (although >>>=20 >>> Assuming RFC6543 is not used and we do assign different link-locals, >>> then it is up to the LMA decide when to use which link-local. Two >>> examples: each LMA has its own or each PMIP session gets its own >>> "unique" link-local. Both cases have possibility of address collisions >>> but are quite unlikely. I do not really care about coverage areas >>> rather the case when something happened on the emulated home link and >>> for that case the two examples would be sufficient. Note that I am not >>> prompting such "solution". >>=20 >> Did you mean to say "up to the MAG"? I am not sure I like the idea of >> the LMA controlling the MAG's link-local address. >=20 > No.. or lets say my wording was imprecise. Whether this feature is > enabled depends on the MAG configuration. If MAG allows the LMA to > generate the link-local, then LMA does it and MAG uses that address. In > that case the LMA decides when to use which link-local address. It would still require coordination between the old LMA and the new LMA, precisely in those situations where no such coordination is possible (the PMIP domains are distinct and unconnected). >>>> You may be running a server on the MN which is waiting for inbound >>>> connections. The peer correspondent nodes would send traffic to the >>>> old prefix, and there would be no indication to the MN that the old >>>> prefix isn't valid anymore. >>>=20 >>> As said we cannot heal all networking issues by specifications if >>> people do not implement them properly. If your delegated prefix is >>> gone from the network point of view and your MR sits there doing >>> nothing while it should based on e.g. RFC3315, tough luck. >>=20 >> If the link down/up event has been hidden from the IP stack, then >> sitting there doing nothing is exactly what an RFC3315 compliant >> implementation would do. Hence my use of MUST in (2) above. >=20 > Sure. Never claimed it to be different. But as said, I cannot control > the client side implementation. That is the point. But you seem to be making assumptions about the L2 implementation=20 and that, in particular, it knows when a PMIP session is disconnected. I am sorry to be making a big deal about these issues. I am raising them because I think it will be important to get these details right when it comes to the DMM solution. There, I think we will have some set of prefixes assigned to the MN at any given time, and some arbitrary subset will need to be deprecated and/or torn down proactively upon=20 each handover (change of MAG if a PMIP-style solution is used to=20 re-route the packets). However, we can discuss more details on the DMM list if you prefer (and this may get us a bit into DMM solution space. But, I am trying to think ahead). -Pete From trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org Mon Nov 26 15:32:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA10021F84DD for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:32:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FRT_SOMA2=2.199, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i3rZFdit0maT for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2754921F841C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52908 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Td8AZ-00080j-5P; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:32:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "netext issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: sarikaya@ieee.org X-Trac-Project: netext Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:32:55 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/netext/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/netext/trac/ticket/18 Message-ID: <058.1ea82dc2a6722fa4b8df6e5bd9ca98e8@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 18 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: sarikaya@ieee.org, netext@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+netext@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: [netext] #18: Interface marking is needed X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:32:57 -0000 #18: Interface marking is needed Sec. 5.1 on Multiple Proxy Care-of Address Registration needs to have a major revision. In RFC 6089, MN can register mcoa's because MN knows it has multiple interfaces. In PMIPv6, MAG sends PBU and MAG is connected to only one interface of MN not multiple so MAG can not make mcoa's or multiple proxy registrations. Solution: LMA after receiving PBU from the second MAG for an MN with an existing binding cache entry must mark this interface as visiting interface to distinguish it from the first "home" interface and LMA must indicate this marking in PBA. This way the second MAG knows it has made multiple proxy registration. MAG can then initiate flow mobility. -- --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Reporter: sarikaya@ieee.org | Owner: sarikaya@ieee.org Type: defect | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: milestone1 Component: pmipv6-flowmob | Version: 2.0 Severity: Active WG Document | Keywords: PMIP flow mobility --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Ticket URL: netext From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 01:00:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB0421F850A; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:00:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qaE5a3gpgJr8; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:00:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E68D21F84F9; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:00:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id y2so10089020lbk.31 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:00:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=9AfpLNb2iPclqYRuDAWlOi7Lx55BMJ+cv2TIpdnDmVY=; b=z9MWheK+KZpYTXj8lowEveSdzgGnvtO3K86SWzz64TnsncnUbqNPM/olnttzUtgSmP p6ZCsFYbtGDbrM/SN5SvNSQrgfVtLbxnq/H+udlXj/hwUADgp4flBCSlwLOgn5CGfa9s fPHw3VDleauA3QgMJ5Y9x0ehkQrBePOWsvBnosI8al8R8D8C7ZXFSAxBDWq3QUSZlXFh dkYyEdAtnMdG9/muRgeRjfOV65IpcWd5lTyOlL+oRO15sQvJ47Sg5w8CKl2VtGGH8ZpN wqigVJ8APB/d90/ccpFS/CiejNh1x3OjMhj/x8ApdxgTEjgQfDJmWOwajkpykwnruuXF hKew== Received: by 10.152.104.50 with SMTP id gb18mr14161359lab.9.1354006823128; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c? 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" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:00:32 -0000 Pete, On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Peter McCann wrote: [budget cut scale removal of text] >>> hop router, and traffic is always tunneled directly back to that >>> router. In contrast, PMIP has the MAG as the first hop router. This is >>> a fundamental difference that IMHO makes it more likely to see a link >>> flap on a MAG to MAG handover, even when the same LMA is reachable from >>> both. >> >> If the LMA stays the same, the link does not flap. > > I don't see how you can make a blanket statement like this for all > link layers that might be used for PMIP. In particular, it seems > to require a knowledge, at the L2, of whether the current MAG can > see the same LMA. This knowledge needs to be propagated across the > link to the client, and used to determine whether the link down/up > event propagates through the IP stack. Perhaps your particular > implementation experience involved carrying such a signal but I > cannot imagine that it holds true for every L2, especially if they > were not designed with PMIP in mind. I am just reflecting the nature of existing point-to-point L2 technologies. They tend to be session oriented, ref PPP and 3GPP stuff. Even when a WLAN type of technology is twisted to resemble point-to-point (and with authentication) you can make it session aware.. with limitations. And if the whole user session is between UE and the LMA, then any leg losing the session usually torn down the whole pipe including your L2. I am curious to learn what point-to-point L2 technologies you have in mind? Something already on the field or on the drawing board? [smaller cost cut scale removal of text] >> I repeat what I said earlier. If the LMA changes the L2 session goes >> down, prefixes may change etc. It is a bit more than just link up/down >> because it also involves setting up a new PMIP session & L2 session. (on >> L2 technologies I am concerned with). > > You seem to be implying that the L2 technology has a notion of a PMIP > session. The layered protocol model would seem to discourage this, > and I can imagine that many link layers are designed without PMIP > in mind. I do not have a PMIP aware L2 in mind. See above. Just a point-to-point L2 that has a notion of session itself i.e. one has to explicitly set it up and it can be disconnected at will by either end. [snip] >>>> Assuming RFC6543 is not used and we do assign different link-locals, >>>> then it is up to the LMA decide when to use which link-local. Two >>>> examples: each LMA has its own or each PMIP session gets its own >>>> "unique" link-local. Both cases have possibility of address collisions >>>> but are quite unlikely. I do not really care about coverage areas >>>> rather the case when something happened on the emulated home link and >>>> for that case the two examples would be sufficient. Note that I am not >>>> prompting such "solution". >>> >>> Did you mean to say "up to the MAG"? I am not sure I like the idea of >>> the LMA controlling the MAG's link-local address. >> >> No.. or lets say my wording was imprecise. Whether this feature is >> enabled depends on the MAG configuration. If MAG allows the LMA to >> generate the link-local, then LMA does it and MAG uses that address. In >> that case the LMA decides when to use which link-local address. > > It would still require coordination between the old LMA and the new > LMA, precisely in those situations where no such coordination is possible > (the PMIP domains are distinct and unconnected). It is just a matter of will. OUIs are invented and EUI-64 is big hefty number. Collision would be less probable than me winning in lottery. However, this would probably be a task to some other SDO to arrange than IETF. [oh-snap] >>> If the link down/up event has been hidden from the IP stack, then >>> sitting there doing nothing is exactly what an RFC3315 compliant >>> implementation would do. Hence my use of MUST in (2) above. >> >> Sure. Never claimed it to be different. But as said, I cannot control >> the client side implementation. That is the point. > > But you seem to be making assumptions about the L2 implementation > and that, in particular, it knows when a PMIP session is disconnected. See my earlier notes on L2 sessions. > I am sorry to be making a big deal about these issues. I am raising > them because I think it will be important to get these details right > when it comes to the DMM solution. There, I think we will have some Figured that ;) > set of prefixes assigned to the MN at any given time, and some arbitrary > subset will need to be deprecated and/or torn down proactively upon > each handover (change of MAG if a PMIP-style solution is used to > re-route the packets). However, we can discuss more details on the > DMM list if you prefer (and this may get us a bit into DMM solution > space. But, I am trying to think ahead). Yep, I am familiar with this specific problem space. See e.g. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-korhonen-dmm-local-prefix-00 for one solution approach. This, however, assumes the MN always has at least on LMA that remains the same as long as the MN is within the PMIP domain. But that was enough DMM for my needs ;) Thinking ahead is more than welcome! - Jouni > > -Pete > > >>> From Peter.McCann@huawei.com Tue Nov 27 08:14:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D72821F8639; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:14:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bYSbEbl93+wQ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA3D21F858B; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ALY63721; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:14:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:14:02 +0000 Received: from DFWEML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.132) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:14:09 +0000 Received: from dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.208]) by dfweml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.132]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:14:03 -0800 From: Peter McCann To: jouni korhonen Thread-Topic: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) Thread-Index: AQHNxz3DQQQBC3W/sU+JRgVtIyAvCpfy7olggAC+hYD//3xY0IAAjCcA//97uoCAAJVJgP//ejdQABOHHoAABSeKoAAWNosAAAesqeAAJAylgAC4CjtwABlJU4AACu3TkAAfYuAAAAIsAXA= Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:14:02 +0000 Message-ID: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E6DA55@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E587E9@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9892BC94-F495-405F-93E9-90A33DAF8C96@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E588CF@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E5890E@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <4B2145DF-3D42-4EE4-A1F7-E3622F2A74D8@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58955@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58A92@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E58BDE@dfweml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <88BBDF91-7A51-427A-BD3C-897B79C17781@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E65D8B@dfweml512-mbb.china.huawei.com> <60EF112E-92B4-45D2-90F3-AD64173E4BD4@gmail.com> <5963DDF1F751474D8DEEFDCDBEE43AE716E66E4E@dfwem l512-mbb.china.huawei.com> <6362111E-CF9B-4E1A-AE02-A3296AD7D238@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6362111E-CF9B-4E1A-AE02-A3296AD7D238@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.193.125.158] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "netext@ietf.org" , "dmm@ietf.org" , Basavaraj Patil , "draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] Chair review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip (05) X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:14:32 -0000 Hi, Jouni, jouni korhonen wrote: >=20 > Pete, >=20 > On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Peter McCann wrote: >=20 > [budget cut scale removal of text] >=20 >>>> hop router, and traffic is always tunneled directly back to that >>>> router. In contrast, PMIP has the MAG as the first hop router. This >>>> is a fundamental difference that IMHO makes it more likely to see a >>>> link flap on a MAG to MAG handover, even when the same LMA is >>>> reachable from both. >>>=20 >>> If the LMA stays the same, the link does not flap. >>=20 >> I don't see how you can make a blanket statement like this for all >> link layers that might be used for PMIP. In particular, it seems >> to require a knowledge, at the L2, of whether the current MAG can >> see the same LMA. This knowledge needs to be propagated across the >> link to the client, and used to determine whether the link down/up >> event propagates through the IP stack. Perhaps your particular >> implementation experience involved carrying such a signal but I >> cannot imagine that it holds true for every L2, especially if they >> were not designed with PMIP in mind. >=20 > I am just reflecting the nature of existing point-to-point L2 > technologies. They tend to be session oriented, ref PPP and 3GPP > stuff. Even when a WLAN type of technology is twisted to resemble > point-to-point (and with authentication) you can make it session > aware.. with limitations. And if the whole user session is between > UE and the LMA, then any leg losing the session usually torn down > the whole pipe including your L2. My point is that L2 is torn down/rebuilt even when the LMA is=20 reachable and the PMIP session stays up. > I am curious to learn what point-to-point L2 technologies you have > in mind? Something already on the field or on the drawing board? Take PPP as an example. The PPP session would be between the=20 MN and the MAG. There would clearly need to be a new LCP/IPCP exchange between the MN and a new MAG, even if the new MAG could get back to the same LMA. In this case PPP experiences link down/ up but the PMIP session is preserved. This is distinct from the 3GPP link layer where the p2p session is between MN and PGW. The PGW is the first hop router. PMIP has the MAG as the first hop router. When you disconnect from one first hop router and connect to another first hop router, the link flaps unless you have taken special measures to hide this event from the IP stack. > [smaller cost cut scale removal of text] >=20 >>> I repeat what I said earlier. If the LMA changes the L2 session goes >>> down, prefixes may change etc. It is a bit more than just link up/down >>> because it also involves setting up a new PMIP session & L2 session. >>> (on L2 technologies I am concerned with). >>=20 >> You seem to be implying that the L2 technology has a notion of a PMIP >> session. The layered protocol model would seem to discourage this, >> and I can imagine that many link layers are designed without PMIP >> in mind. >=20 > I do not have a PMIP aware L2 in mind. See above. Just a point-to-point > L2 that has a notion of session itself i.e. one has to explicitly set it > up and it can be disconnected at will by either end. But in PMIP the L2 is terminated between MN and MAG. Change of MAG means tearing down one L2 session and establishing a new one. Hence it seems more natural to me to experience a link flap than to go to the extra effort to hide this from the IP stack in some special cases (which=20 involve the network topology behind the MAG, something that is usually not visible to L2). > [snip] >=20 >>>>> Assuming RFC6543 is not used and we do assign different link- >>>>> locals, then it is up to the LMA decide when to use which >>>>> link-local. Two examples: each LMA has its own or each PMIP session >>>>> gets its own "unique" link-local. Both cases have possibility of >>>>> address collisions but are quite unlikely. I do not really care >>>>> about coverage areas rather the case when something happened on the >>>>> emulated home link and for that case the two examples would be >>>>> sufficient. Note that I am not prompting such "solution". >>>>=20 >>>> Did you mean to say "up to the MAG"? I am not sure I like the idea >>>> of the LMA controlling the MAG's link-local address. >>>=20 >>> No.. or lets say my wording was imprecise. Whether this feature is >>> enabled depends on the MAG configuration. If MAG allows the LMA to >>> generate the link-local, then LMA does it and MAG uses that address. >>> In that case the LMA decides when to use which link-local address. >>=20 >> It would still require coordination between the old LMA and the new >> LMA, precisely in those situations where no such coordination is >> possible (the PMIP domains are distinct and unconnected). >=20 > It is just a matter of will. OUIs are invented and EUI-64 is big hefty > number. Collision would be less probable than me winning in lottery. > However, this would probably be a task to some other SDO to arrange > than IETF. Sure, I agree this is possible. But, it seems even more natural to me to allow every MAG to have its own link-local address that is globally unique. I guess I am calling into question the assumption that all MAGs in a PMIP domain have the same link-local address. Perhaps that was a PMIP design mistake. If the IP stack is going to see a link flap anyway, we might as well deal with a proper change of first-hop router (although that router might still advertise the same prefix. It is as if one router became unreachable but another router pops up to take its place. MNs should be able to handle this). > [oh-snap] >=20 >>>> If the link down/up event has been hidden from the IP stack, then >>>> sitting there doing nothing is exactly what an RFC3315 compliant >>>> implementation would do. Hence my use of MUST in (2) above. >>>=20 >>> Sure. Never claimed it to be different. But as said, I cannot control >>> the client side implementation. That is the point. >>=20 >> But you seem to be making assumptions about the L2 implementation >> and that, in particular, it knows when a PMIP session is > disconnected. >=20 > See my earlier notes on L2 sessions. >=20 >> I am sorry to be making a big deal about these issues. I am raising >> them because I think it will be important to get these details right >> when it comes to the DMM solution. There, I think we will have some >=20 > Figured that ;) >=20 >> set of prefixes assigned to the MN at any given time, and some >> arbitrary subset will need to be deprecated and/or torn down >> proactively upon each handover (change of MAG if a PMIP-style solution >> is used to re-route the packets). However, we can discuss more details >> on the DMM list if you prefer (and this may get us a bit into DMM >> solution space. But, I am trying to think ahead). >=20 > Yep, I am familiar with this specific problem space. See e.g. > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-korhonen-dmm-local-prefix-00 for one > solution approach. This, however, assumes the MN always has at least on > LMA that remains the same as long as the MN is within the PMIP domain. > But that was enough DMM for my needs ;) Ok, just read your draft. It raises the right issues, I think. However, I wonder if we could make it more general by decoupling the MN-visible events like RAs and DHCP interaction and link flaps from the PMIP protocol used to re-route packets and transfer context. There are many ways to re-route packets and many ways to get the context about the old prefixes from one AR to another AR. Also, we should deal with cases where the old LMA is not reachable and the DHCP server changes. > Thinking ahead is more than welcome! Good to hear. Feel free to snip the netext mailing list from the CC line when you think it's appropriate. -Pete From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 09:11:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1CE21F8B36 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:11:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6owto1HRGZSj for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB06521F8B29 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id c13so16230203ieb.31 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:11:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vAbVCZW/nSfi0VFYgtaUQJGgqmVl+GLrD/8DzwVgCbw=; b=EoWmZ9LspDSbSgWSp6UO7Ro5VAQ1OYDqnxgOpNsV70myTVRAvJIOiVGzyaX9FFDPLb 9XlGDZZcHLdmkHiB2IaXZkwW4rifVBLMcGe72/ob2CIqfaZF1pWEGfmhzja5Oge12QME EnLnjMcOqd4cTpXLGCevMIW3J1mC6sfdHW8f98oEPn0IxchFW3d/hUrq1buh5c1Nyngy iDtToV/LKGSFUMgruZFsqWhjlyu9/XEZV24QvyQP0zeY/gDip/L9mY4rQLG8XrV0NyIg QJfLVZJ6HDDVNHdtoLyMRQn1iy9dqI9DmQCX0l1/2eOlNjdfpcu21xbmDMdERgOZLxmt hvjA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.194.132 with SMTP id hw4mr387344igc.37.1354209066338; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.10.204 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:11:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <066.92fae5892dd47f6df59125978f3b0285@trac.tools.ietf.org> References: <066.92fae5892dd47f6df59125978f3b0285@trac.tools.ietf.org> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:11:06 -0600 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: pierrick.seite@orange.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93411e959ca2c04cfa55e0d Cc: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, netext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] #15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:11:07 -0000 --14dae93411e959ca2c04cfa55e0d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Pierrick, I don't understand this issue. Why should a WG draft in its late stages introduce a normative dependency on an individual draft? draft-krishnan could be good but it could apply only to the future work possibly after it becomes an RFC. What if during the process the messages names get changed? Regards, Behcet On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:34 AM, netext issue tracker < trac+netext@grenache.tools.ietf.org> wrote: > #15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA > > If we go for pBU triggered by LMA signaling, the solution should use > update notification UPN/UPA from draft-krishnan-netext-update- > notifications (If adopted by the WG) instead of FMI/FMA which are > functionally similar. > > -- > -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- > Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-netext- > pierrick.seite@orange.com | pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org > Type: enhancement | Status: new > Priority: major | Milestone: > Component: pmipv6-flowmob | Version: > Severity: - | Keywords: > -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- > > Ticket URL: > netext > > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > --14dae93411e959ca2c04cfa55e0d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pierrick,

I don't understand this issue.

Why should a = WG draft in its late stages introduce a normative dependency on an individu= al draft?

draft-krishnan could be good but it could apply only to th= e future work possibly after it becomes an RFC.
What if during the process the messages names get changed?

Regards,=

Behcet

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:= 34 AM, netext issue tracker <trac+netext@grenache.tools.= ietf.org> wrote:
#15: use "update notification" for= FMI/FMA

=A0If we go for pBU triggered by LMA signaling, the solution should use
=A0update notification UPN/UPA from draft-krishnan-netext-update-
=A0notifications (If adopted by the WG) instead of FMI/FMA which are
=A0functionally similar.

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--14dae93411e959ca2c04cfa55e0d-- From pierrick.seite@orange.com Thu Nov 29 09:42:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDD721F8B40 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:42:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rpmaOdaHNRrF for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias92.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3147021F8AFC for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.3]) by omfedm13.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 0CB393244A2; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:42:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.183]) by omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id E29BE4C015; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:42:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::81f:1640:4749:5d13]) by PEXCVZYH02.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:42:39 +0100 From: To: "'sarikaya@ieee.org'" Thread-Topic: [netext] #15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA Thread-Index: AQHNzlSGDOVBlGfFEU6fGRER0Tg/X5gBFEZw Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:42:38 +0000 Message-ID: <6471_1354210959_50B79E8F_6471_1459_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F71073A73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <066.92fae5892dd47f6df59125978f3b0285@trac.tools.ietf.org> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.197.38.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F71073A73PEXCVZYM12corpora_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2012.10.24.110314 Cc: "draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org" , "netext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netext] #15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:42:42 -0000 --_000_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F71073A73PEXCVZYM12corpora_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Issue #15 is valid if draft-krishnan is adopted. Pierrick De : Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com] Envoy=E9 : jeudi 29 novembre 2012 18:11 =C0 : SEITE Pierrick OLNC/OLN Cc : draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org; netext@ietf.org Objet : Re: [netext] #15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA Hi Pierrick, I don't understand this issue. Why should a WG draft in its late stages introduce a normative dependency o= n an individual draft? draft-krishnan could be good but it could apply only to the future work pos= sibly after it becomes an RFC. What if during the process the messages names get changed? Regards, Behcet On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:34 AM, netext issue tracker > wrote: #15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA If we go for pBU triggered by LMA signaling, the solution should use update notification UPN/UPA from draft-krishnan-netext-update- notifications (If adopted by the WG) instead of FMI/FMA which are functionally similar. -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-netext- pierrick.seite@orange.com | p= mipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Component: pmipv6-flowmob | Version: Severity: - | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: netext _______________________________________________ netext mailing list netext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi,

 <= /p>

Issue #15 is valid if dra= ft-krishnan is adopted.

 <= /p>

Pierrick  

 <= /p>

De : Behc= et Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com]
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 29 novembre 2012 18:11
=C0 : SEITE Pierrick OLNC/OLN
Cc : draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org; netext@ie= tf.org
Objet : Re: [netext] #15: use "update notification" f= or FMI/FMA

 

Hi Pierrick,

I don't understand this issue.

Why should a WG draft in its late stages introduce a n= ormative dependency on an individual draft?

=
draft-krishnan could be good but it could apply only to the future work pos= sibly after it becomes an RFC.
What if during the process the messages names get changed?

Regards,

Behcet

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:34 AM, netext issue tracke= r <trac+netext@grenache.tools.ietf.org> wrote:

#15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA=

 If we go for pBU triggered by LMA signaling, the solution should use<= br>  update notification UPN/UPA from draft-krishnan-netext-update-
 notifications (If adopted by the WG) instead of FMI/FMA which are
 functionally similar.

--
-------------------------------------+---------------------------------= ----
 Reporter:                 &nb= sp;         |      Owner:  draft-ie= tf-netext-
  pierrick.seite@orange.c= om          |  pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org
     Type:  enhancement         &nb= sp;    |     Status:  new
 Priority:  major              = ;      |  Milestone:
Component:  pmipv6-flowmob           |  =  Version:
 Severity:  -               &n= bsp;        |   Keywords:
-------------------------------------+---------------------------------= ----

Ticket URL: <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/netext/trac/ticket/15<= /a>>
netext <http= ://tools.ietf.org/netext/>

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" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:17:21 -0000 --90e6ba614c305ed4ff04cfa7f8f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pierrick, On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:42 AM, wrote: > Hi,**** > > ** ** > > Issue #15 is valid if draft-krishnan is adopted.**** > > ** > What are we going to do with LRI/LRA defined in RFC 6705 by Suresh himself? I think you are worried that no one will use the new messages in draft-krishnan. That is a separate issue, we should accept the fact that already there are several messages defined to be initiated by LMA and move on. Regards, Behcet > ** > > Pierrick ** > > ** ** > > *De :* Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com] > *Envoy=E9 :* jeudi 29 novembre 2012 18:11 > *=C0 :* SEITE Pierrick OLNC/OLN > *Cc :* draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org; netext@ietf.org > *Objet :* Re: [netext] #15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA**** > > ** ** > > Hi Pierrick, > > I don't understand this issue. > > Why should a WG draft in its late stages introduce a normative dependency > on an individual draft?**** > > > draft-krishnan could be good but it could apply only to the future work > possibly after it becomes an RFC. > What if during the process the messages names get changed? > > Regards, > > Behcet**** > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:34 AM, netext issue tracker < > trac+netext@grenache.tools.ietf.org> wrote:**** > > #15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA > > If we go for pBU triggered by LMA signaling, the solution should use > update notification UPN/UPA from draft-krishnan-netext-update- > notifications (If adopted by the WG) instead of FMI/FMA which are > functionally similar. > > -- > -------------------------------------+-----------------------------------= -- > Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-netext- > pierrick.seite@orange.com | pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org > Type: enhancement | Status: new > Priority: major | Milestone: > Component: pmipv6-flowmob | Version: > Severity: - | Keywords: > -------------------------------------+-----------------------------------= -- > > Ticket URL: > netext > > _______________________________________________ > netext mailing list > netext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext**** > > ** ** > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez re= cu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages = electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > France Telecom - Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete = altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. > > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged i= nformation that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and de= lete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, France Telecom - Orange is not liable for messa= ges that have been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > > --90e6ba614c305ed4ff04cfa7f8f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pierrick,



On Thu, Nov 29, 2012= at 11:42 AM, <pierrick.seite@orange.com> wrote:

Hi,<= /p>

=A0<= /p>

Issue #15 is valid if dra= ft-krishnan is adopted.

=A0


What are we going to do with LRI/LRA defined = in RFC 6705 by Suresh himself?

I think you are worried that no one will use the new messages in draft-= krishnan.
That is a separate issue, we should accept the fact that alre= ady there are several messages defined to be initiated by LMA and move on.<= br>
Regards,

Behcet

Pierrick =A0=

=A0<= /p>

De=A0: Behcet = Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com]
Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 29 novembre 2012 18:11
=C0=A0: SEITE Pierrick OLNC/OLN
Cc=A0: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org= ; netext@ietf.org<= br> Objet=A0: Re: [netext] #15: use "update notification" for = FMI/FMA

=A0

Hi Pierrick,

I don't understand this issue.

Why should a WG draft in its late stages introduce a n= ormative dependency on an individual draft?

=
draft-krishnan could be good but it could apply only to the future work pos= sibly after it becomes an RFC.
What if during the process the messages names get changed?

Regards,

Behcet

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:34 AM, netext issue tracke= r <trac+netext@grenache.tools.ietf.org> wrote:

#15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA=

=A0If we go for pBU triggered by LMA signaling, the solution should use
=A0update notification UPN/UPA from draft-krishnan-netext-update-
=A0notifications (If adopted by the WG) instead of FMI/FMA which are
=A0functionally similar.

--
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------=
=A0Reporter: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 | =A0 =A0 = =A0Owner: =A0draft-ietf-netext-
=A0 pierrick= .seite@orange.com =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org
=A0 =A0 =A0Type: =A0enhancement =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0 =A0 Status= : =A0new
=A0Priority: =A0major =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0Milestone= :
Component: =A0pmipv6-flowmob =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 | =A0 =A0Version:
=A0Severity: =A0- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0 Keyw= ords:
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------=

Ticket URL: <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/netext/trac/ticket/15<= /a>>
netext <http= ://tools.ietf.org/netext/>

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--90e6ba614c305ed4ff04cfa7f8f7-- From suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com Thu Nov 29 12:28:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B3221F8C14 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:28:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34DnWSq5kD6O for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E104421F8C18 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from eusaamw0712.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.181]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id qATKbBvZ015943; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:37:13 -0600 Received: from [142.133.112.133] (147.117.20.214) by smtps-am.internal.ericsson.com (147.117.20.181) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.279.1; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: <50B7C4E3.8030606@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:26:11 -0500 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netext issue tracker References: <066.92fae5892dd47f6df59125978f3b0285@trac.tools.ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <066.92fae5892dd47f6df59125978f3b0285@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org, netext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] #15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:28:51 -0000 On 11/21/2012 07:34 AM, netext issue tracker wrote: > #15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA > > If we go for pBU triggered by LMA signaling, the solution should use > update notification UPN/UPA from draft-krishnan-netext-update- > notifications (If adopted by the WG) instead of FMI/FMA which are > functionally similar. I am supportive of doing this *if* the timelines match. I think it would be a waste to hold up the flowmob draft just so that it can use the update notification message (especially since, as Behcet said, it is still an individual draft). Thanks Suresh From suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com Thu Nov 29 12:35:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456CA21F8C36 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:35:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D6aF4uOxRoGp for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A34121F8C12 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id qATKXjp7015186; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:33:47 -0600 Received: from [142.133.112.133] (147.117.20.214) by smtps-am.internal.ericsson.com (147.117.20.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.279.1; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:25:09 -0500 Message-ID: <50B7C413.2070305@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:22:43 -0500 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: References: <066.92fae5892dd47f6df59125978f3b0285@trac.tools.ietf.org> <6471_1354210959_50B79E8F_6471_1459_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F71073A73@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob@tools.ietf.org" , "netext@ietf.org" , Behcet Sarikaya Subject: Re: [netext] #15: use "update notification" for FMI/FMA X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:35:02 -0000 Hi Behcet, On 11/29/2012 03:17 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > Hi Pierrick, > > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:42 AM, > wrote: > > Hi,____ > > __ __ > > Issue #15 is valid if draft-krishnan is adopted.____ > > __ > > > What are we going to do with LRI/LRA defined in RFC 6705 by Suresh himself? Nothing :-). The LRI is not a generic notification message. It cannot be used for other purposes than LR. Thanks Suresh From bpatil1@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 12:58:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E5521F8C38 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:58:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t7Y97ZmPqtgp for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:58:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225EC21F8B9A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id c13so16621843ieb.31 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:58:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=WtwBObHzYLc4llD1wWmYlFYKdIttMhz7WJ4lalj5SQI=; b=Om9w3Oh4/ZA8ZOYsZSpN4iO/1VV/ylGwkX7+K/UK6fhzX+cGmxfTOJ47dBVSpQdvDF N6FI+QnLsQDbtOFqEQUz7Ty1LQotVY0i5XZOwrwPoU/ammNWSbFe8EBhN/0is8WV/xiw sJVUk9tk9gtQF/xg8hIVY3H9dzQAQI35tIK4TildPKllPej/GKe5qK1tVLAAXbcNsuXs 8v6hX/HcUUbml/bjk+jC/smX95l4l2+UqDfIO87UnZ/RJ7tECOz92bn+xjcKSFARFO/C yP9mj7f4JC6dfhhpWjTr7VkhKIuPodN0vg+SwKPbQO1qj7lyGgCbaQG4MfJa7SD5lhFW 8Emg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.13.138 with SMTP id h10mr26964838igc.55.1354222699590; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.104.136 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:58:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:58:19 -0600 Message-ID: From: Basavaraj Patil To: netext@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044468e3f4b39004cfa88a7c Cc: draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org Subject: [netext] Conclusion of consensus call to adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:58:20 -0000 --f46d044468e3f4b39004cfa88a7c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The WG members are supportive of adopting the I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifiactions as a WG document and progressing it along the standards track route. Consensus is strong. I have not seen any dissenting emails for adopting this I-D. Authors: Please go ahead and submit the I-D as a Netext WG document. -Chairs On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Basavaraj Patil wrote: > > The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 > was presented at the WG > meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta). > There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in > favor of, None against). > > Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG > document. > > Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: > draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications as a working group document? > > Yes: [ ] > No : [ ] > > Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF has indicated the > relevance of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiting feedback from > the AD and the chairs about its status. > > Abstract > > Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility management > protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its > participation in any mobility-related signaling. This document > proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchronously > notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the > mobility session. > > This consensus call will expire on November 26th, 2012. > > -Chairs > > -- Basavaraj Patil --f46d044468e3f4b39004cfa88a7c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The WG members are supportive of adopting the I-D draft-krishnan-netext= -update-notifiactions as a WG document and progressing it along the standar= ds track route.

Consensus is strong. I have not seen any dissenting = emails for adopting this I-D.

Authors: Please go ahead and submit the I-D as a Netext WG document.
-Chairs

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:11= PM, Basavaraj Patil <bpatil1@gmail.com> wrote:

The I-D : Update Notifications for Proxy= Mobile IPv6 <draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications> was present= ed at the WG meeting at IETF85 (Atlanta).
There was consensus in the room to adopt this I-D as a WG document (11 in f= avor of, None against).

Please treat this as a consensus call for adopting this I-D as a WG doc= ument.

Question: Should the Netext WG adopt I-D: draft-krishnan-nete= xt-update-notifications as a working group document?

Yes:=A0 [=A0 ]<= br> No :=A0 [=A0 ]

Some background info: The 3GPP liaison to the IETF ha= s indicated the relevance of this I-D to their specifications and is awaiti= ng feedback from the AD and the chairs about its status.

Abstract
=A0=A0 Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility managemen= t
=A0=A0 protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring = its
=A0=A0 participation in any mobility-related signaling.=A0 This docu= ment
=A0=A0 proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynch= ronously
=A0=A0 notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the
=A0= =A0 mobility session.

This consensus call will expire on November 26= th, 2012.

-Chairs




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Basavaraj Patil
--f46d044468e3f4b39004cfa88a7c-- From suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com Fri Nov 30 08:21:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7406121F8564 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:21:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3izYtI25+s6M for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from imr3.ericy.com (imr3.ericy.com [198.24.6.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7BB21F8480 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from eusaamw0712.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.181]) by imr3.ericy.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qAUGLDdD014160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:21:13 -0600 Received: from [142.133.112.133] (147.117.20.214) by smtps-am.internal.ericsson.com (147.117.20.181) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.279.1; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:21:12 -0500 Message-ID: <50B8DC66.2090700@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:18:46 -0500 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Basavaraj Patil References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: netext@ietf.org, draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [netext] Conclusion of consensus call to adopt I-D draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifications X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:21:15 -0000 On 11/29/2012 03:58 PM, Basavaraj Patil wrote: > > The WG members are supportive of adopting the I-D > draft-krishnan-netext-update-notifiactions as a WG document and > progressing it along the standards track route. > > Consensus is strong. I have not seen any dissenting emails for adopting > this I-D. > > Authors: Please go ahead and submit the I-D as a Netext WG document. Thanks Raj. We went ahead and submitted a wg -00 version identical to the individual -01 version. It should be published as soon as the chairs approve the initial version submission. Cheers Suresh From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Nov 30 08:48:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EE921F8B61; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:48:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.079, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bKe5J2x-JHyj; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F7321F8B2F; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:48:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.36 Message-ID: <20121130164820.19615.67180.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:48:20 -0800 Cc: netext@ietf.org Subject: [netext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-update-notifications-00.txt X-BeenThere: netext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list for discusion of extensions to network mobility protocol, i.e PMIP6. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:48:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Network-Based Mobility Extensions Working= Group of the IETF. Title : Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6 Author(s) : Suresh Krishnan Sri Gundavelli Marco Liebsch Hidetoshi Yokota Jouni Korhonen Filename : draft-ietf-netext-update-notifications-00.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2012-11-30 Abstract: Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) is a network based mobility management protocol that enables IP mobility for a host without requiring its participation in any mobility-related signaling. This document proposes a mechanism for the Local Mobility Anchor to asynchronously notify the Mobile Access Gateway about changes related to the mobility session. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netext-update-notifications There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netext-update-notifications-00 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/