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From: "Kent Leung (kleung)" <kleung@cisco.com>
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Hi. I believe the proposal is a good idea and would be useful. In general, =
the draft looks good. The scheme allows the MAG to propose the interval for=
 location change notifications and LMA can override that value. A few comme=
nts below.

1.            Title: Typo "Acess"
2.            Sect.1: Typos - "mobiility"
3.            Sect.4: Group Identifier: need description, though obvious.
4.            The intent of the text, "then MAG behavior with respect to up=
dating the ANI values is left to implementation choices", is to state that =
MAG behavior is implemented in accordance to RFC 6757 since response indica=
tes LMA does not understand the ANI option?
5.            Is the Group ID a global value? What happens if handover happ=
ens between providers that happened to have the same adjacent group IDs?
6.            Why not two byte Group ID? 64K groups is not sufficient? It w=
ould save 4 bytes by fitting in the Reserved field. I guess it depends on h=
ow #5 is addressed.
7.            If LMA configuration changes, can LMA notify MAG about the lo=
cation update interval? Since ANI option is only in PBU and PBA, the introd=
uction of Update-Timer suboption may be useful as a "push" message. So can =
this be carried in Update Notification message?

Kent


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi. I believe the proposal is a good idea and would =
be useful. In general, the draft looks good. The scheme allows the MAG to p=
ropose the interval for location change notifications and LMA can override =
that value. A few comments below.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">2.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sect.1: Typos - &#8220;mobiility&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">3.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sect.4: Group Identifier: need description, though obvious=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">4.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The intent of the text, &#8220;then MAG behavior with resp=
ect to updating the ANI values is left to implementation choices&#8221;, is=
 to state that MAG behavior is implemented in accordance to RFC 6757 since =
response indicates LMA does
 not understand the ANI option?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">5.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the Group ID a global value? What happens if handover h=
appens between providers that happened to have the same adjacent group IDs?=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">6.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Why not two byte Group ID? 64K groups is not sufficient? I=
t would save 4 bytes by fitting in the Reserved field. I guess it depends o=
n how #5 is addressed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">7. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; If LMA configuration changes, can LMA notify MAG about the loca=
tion update interval? Since ANI option is only in PBU and PBA, the introduc=
tion of Update-Timer suboption may be useful as a &#8220;push&#8221; messag=
e. So can this be carried
 in Update Notification message?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kent<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi all,

I have read the drat and I think that it is very useful and IMO can get the=
 status of a WG draft. However, I have some comments that I am listing belo=
w, which mat be worked out after the draft gets the WG status:

Comment_1: The draft considers the E2E QoS path as the path that goes throu=
gh the IEEE 802.11 and PMIP domains. It will be useful to also discuss what=
 happens if the E2E QoS path goes beyond the IEEE 802.11 and PMIP domains.
In order to realise the above you may discuss how the IEEE 802.11 QoS and P=
MIP QoS signalling can be used together with an e2e QoS signalling protocol=
, like RSVP.

Comment_2: Agree with one of the comments of Pierrick, to map the Mean Data=
 Rate into a vendor specific option in PMIP QoS.

Best regards,

Georgios

________________________________
Van: netext [netext-bounces@ietf.org] namens Basavaraj Patil [bpatil1@gmail=
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Verzonden: vrijdag 28 februari 2014 20:51
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Onderwerp: [netext] Consensus call to adopt I-D: draft-kaippallimalil-netex=
t-pmip-qos-wifi-04 as WG doc


Hello,

The WG has discussed the following I-D:

Mapping 802.11 QoS in a PMIPv6 Mobility Domain
<draft-kaippallimalil-netext-pmip-qos-wifi-04>

at several WG meetings.

This is a consensus call to adopt this I-D as a working group document and =
progress it as on the Informational track.

Please respond to the following question;

Q: Do you support adoption of the I-D draft-kaippallimalil-netext-pmip-qos-=
wifi-04  as a Netext WG document?

Yes  [  ]
No   [  ]

-Chairs


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<p style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: left; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal" alig=
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n get the status of a WG draft. However, I have
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the draft gets the WG status:<o:p></o:p></font></span></p>
<p style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: left; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal" alig=
n=3D"left"><span style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-GB" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p><fo=
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n=3D"left"><span style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-GB" lang=3D"EN-GB"><font si=
ze=3D"2">Comment_1: The draft considers the E2E QoS path as the path that g=
oes&nbsp;through the IEEE 802.11 and PMIP domains.
 It will be useful to also discuss what happens if the E2E QoS path goes be=
yond the IEEE 802.11 and PMIP domains.
<o:p></o:p></font></span></p>
<p style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: left; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal" alig=
n=3D"left"><span style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-GB" lang=3D"EN-GB"><font si=
ze=3D"2">In order to realise the above you may discuss how the IEEE 802.11 =
QoS and PMIP QoS signalling can be used together
 with an e2e QoS signalling protocol, like RSVP.<o:p></o:p></font></span></=
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<p style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: left; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal" alig=
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n=3D"left"><span style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-GB" lang=3D"EN-GB"><font si=
ze=3D"2">Comment_2: Agree with one of the comments of Pierrick, to map the =
Mean Data Rate into a vendor specific option
 in PMIP QoS.<o:p></o:p></font></span></p>
<p style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: left; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal" alig=
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ns Basavaraj Patil [bpatil1@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 28 februari 2014 20:51<br>
<b>To:</b> netext@ietf.org<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> [netext] Consensus call to adopt I-D: draft-kaippallimali=
l-netext-pmip-qos-wifi-04 as WG doc<br>
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<div>Hello,</div>
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<div>The WG has discussed the following I-D:&nbsp;</div>
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<pre style=3D"LINE-HEIGHT: 1.2em; MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; COLO=
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ain
&lt;draft-kaippallimalil-netext-pmip-qos-wifi-04&gt; </pre>
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<div>The WG has discussed the following I-D:&nbsp;</div>
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<pre style=3D"LINE-HEIGHT: 1.2em; MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; COLO=
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&lt;draft-kaippallimalil-netext-pmip-qos-wifi-04&gt; </pre>
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p-qos-wifi-04&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;as a Netext WG document?</div>
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<p><font size=3D"4" face=3D"Calibri">some comments:</font></p>
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<p style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
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<p style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 22pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt" lang=3D"EN-US"><font face=3D"Calibri"=
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<p style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 22pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt" lang=3D"EN-US"><font face=3D"Calibri"=
><font size=3D"4">2 section 1</font></font></span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 22pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt" lang=3D"EN-US"><font face=3D"Calibri"=
><font size=3D"4">Mobliility -&gt; Mobility.</font></font></span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
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<p style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 22pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt" lang=3D"EN-US"><font face=3D"Calibri"=
><font size=3D"4">3 Group-ID</font></font></span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 22pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt" lang=3D"EN-US"><font size=3D"4" face=
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<p style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 22pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt" lang=3D"EN-US"><font size=3D"4" face=
=3D"Calibri">It is possible, that an AP can belong to multiple GROUPs in pr=
actice.</font></span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 22pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt" lang=3D"EN-US"><font size=3D"4" face=
=3D"Calibri">In this scenario, there are overlap issues that&nbsp;should be=
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=3D"Calibri">Such as which Group-ID should be notified, etc..</font></span>=
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<div style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px"><font size=3D"4" face=3D=
"Calibri">&nbsp;I suggest the scenario about the usage and deployment&nbsp;=
of Group-ID&nbsp;can be clairfied in the draft.</font></div>
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Folks,

Please review the Logical interface document and provide any comments. We
have addressed all the open issues and we plan to close this work very
soon.


Regards
Sri


On 2/11/14 4:27 PM, "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" <sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:

>Hi Carlos,
>
>> BTW, can I ask what is the current status of
>>draft-ietf-netext-logical-interface-support? I think we should also close
>>that document.
>
>Absolutely. We need to close this work. Here is the document status.
>
>- There were around 6  technical issues that were reported in the issue
>tracker
>- We have discussed those issues some time back during the meeting and
>presented the fixes. The AD (Jari) at that time also was present during
>the presentation and agreed with the fixes
>- We addresses those comments and updated the draft. Julien had additional
>comments and that held the draft for a while
>- In the last rev, we addresses Julien's comments (in fact it was his
>text) that we adopted
>
>AFAIK, there is no open issue that the Authors are aware off. Raj wanted
>to do a detailed review and provide some text/updates. Once we get that
>feedback, we can WGLC.
>
>I think we need some good reviews on the draft to ensure the WG is
>comfortable with the quality of the document.
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Hi Georgios,
Thanks a lot for the review and the comments.

Some  short responses inline.

Best Regards,
John

From: netext [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of karagian@cs.utwe=
nte.nl
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:15 AM
To: netext@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netext] Consensus call to adopt I-D: draft-kaippallimalil-net=
ext-pmip-qos-wifi-04 as WG doc

Hi all,

I have read the drat and I think that it is very useful and IMO can get the=
 status of a WG draft. However, I have some comments that I am listing belo=
w, which mat be worked out after the draft gets the WG status:

Comment_1: The draft considers the E2E QoS path as the path that goes throu=
gh the IEEE 802.11 and PMIP domains. It will be useful to also discuss what=
 happens if the E2E QoS path goes beyond the IEEE 802.11 and PMIP domains.
In order to realise the above you may discuss how the IEEE 802.11 QoS and P=
MIP QoS signalling can be used together with an e2e QoS signalling protocol=
, like RSVP.
>> OK - I can mention the relationship between a connectivity session (or Q=
oS) setup protocol - RSVP, WCS (3GPP 23.402).
Not sure if I got the full intent here.


Comment_2: Agree with one of the comments of Pierrick, to map the Mean Data=
 Rate into a vendor specific option in PMIP QoS.
>> Agree - this needs to be described.

Best regards,

Georgios

________________________________
Van: netext [netext-bounces@ietf.org] namens Basavaraj Patil [bpatil1@gmail=
.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 28 februari 2014 20:51
To: netext@ietf.org<mailto:netext@ietf.org>
Onderwerp: [netext] Consensus call to adopt I-D: draft-kaippallimalil-netex=
t-pmip-qos-wifi-04 as WG doc

Hello,

The WG has discussed the following I-D:

Mapping 802.11 QoS in a PMIPv6 Mobility Domain

<draft-kaippallimalil-netext-pmip-qos-wifi-04>

at several WG meetings.

This is a consensus call to adopt this I-D as a working group document and =
progress it as on the Informational track.

Please respond to the following question;

Q: Do you support adoption of the I-D draft-kaippallimalil-netext-pmip-qos-=
wifi-04  as a Netext WG document?

Yes  [  ]
No   [  ]

-Chairs


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<b>To:</b> netext@ietf.org<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black">I have read the drat and I think that it is very useful and IMO can=
 get the status of a WG draft. However, I have some comments that I am list=
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 the draft gets the WG status:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black">Comment_1: The draft considers the E2E QoS path as the path that go=
es&nbsp;through the IEEE 802.11 and PMIP domains. It will be useful to also=
 discuss what happens if the E2E QoS path goes
 beyond the IEEE 802.11 and PMIP domains. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color=
:black">In order to realise the above you may discuss how the IEEE 802.11 Q=
oS and PMIP QoS signalling can be used together with an e2e QoS signalling =
protocol, like RSVP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&gt;&gt; O=
K &#8211; I can mention the relationship between a connectivity session (or=
 QoS) setup protocol &#8211; RSVP, WCS (3GPP 23.402).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Not sure i=
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:black">Comment_2: Agree with one of the comments of Pierrick, to map the M=
ean Data Rate into a vendor specific option in PMIP QoS.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&gt;&gt; A=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
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an><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
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rg] namens
 Basavaraj Patil [bpatil1@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 28 februari 2014 20:51<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:netext@ietf.org">netext@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> [netext] Consensus call to adopt I-D: draft-kaippallimali=
l-netext-pmip-qos-wifi-04 as WG doc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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homa&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The WG has discussed the fol=
lowing I-D:&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre style=3D"line-height:14.4pt"><span style=3D"color:black">Mapping 802.1=
1 QoS in a PMIPv6 Mobility Domain<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"line-height:14.4pt"><span style=3D"color:black">&lt;draft-kai=
ppallimalil-netext-pmip-qos-wifi-04&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ta=
homa&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">at several WG meetings.&nbsp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ta=
homa&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">This is a consensus call to =
adopt this I-D as a working group document and progress it as on the Inform=
ational track.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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f the I-D&nbsp;draft-kaippallimalil-netext-pmip-qos-wifi-04&nbsp;&nbsp;as a=
 Netext WG document?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi,


I support this document, as I said in the review I sent a couple of days ag=
o, I think that this draft is a good companion document of draft-ietf-netex=
t-pmip6-qos; it clarifies well how to use the option on a Wi-Fi link.



BR,

Pierrick

De : netext [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Basavaraj Patil
Envoy=E9 : vendredi 28 f=E9vrier 2014 20:51
=C0 : netext@ietf.org
Objet : [netext] Consensus call to adopt I-D: draft-kaippallimalil-netext-p=
mip-qos-wifi-04 as WG doc


Hello,

The WG has discussed the following I-D:



Mapping 802.11 QoS in a PMIPv6 Mobility Domain

<draft-kaippallimalil-netext-pmip-qos-wifi-04>

at several WG meetings.

This is a consensus call to adopt this I-D as a working group document and =
progress it as on the Informational track.

Please respond to the following question;

Q: Do you support adoption of the I-D draft-kaippallimalil-netext-pmip-qos-=
wifi-04  as a Netext WG document?

Yes  [  ]
No   [  ]

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I said in the review I sent a couple of days ago, I think that this draft i=
s a good companion document of draft-ietf-netext-pmip6-qos; it clarifies we=
ll how to use the option on a Wi-Fi link.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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xt [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>De la part de</b> Basavaraj Patil<br>
<b>Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</b> vendredi 28 f=E9vrier 2014 20:51<br>
<b>=C0&nbsp;:</b> netext@ietf.org<br>
<b>Objet&nbsp;:</b> [netext] Consensus call to adopt I-D: draft-kaippallima=
lil-netext-pmip-qos-wifi-04 as WG doc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre style=3D"line-height:14.4pt"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"line-height:14.4pt"><span style=3D"color:black">Mapping 802.1=
1 QoS in a PMIPv6 Mobility Domain<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"line-height:14.4pt"><span style=3D"color:black">&lt;draft-kai=
ppallimalil-netext-pmip-qos-wifi-04&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">at several WG meetings.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is a consensus call to adopt this I-D as a work=
ing group document and progress it as on the Informational track.<o:p></o:p=
></p>
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fi-04&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;as a Netext WG document?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes &nbsp;[ &nbsp;]<o:p></o:p></p>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Network-Based Mobility Extensions Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Logical Interface Support for multi-mode IP Hosts
        Authors         : Telemaco Melia
                          Sri Gundavelli
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netext-logical-interface-support-09.txt
	Pages           : 19
	Date            : 2014-03-04

Abstract:
   A Logical Interface is a software semantic internal to the host
   operating system.  This semantic is available in all popular
   operating systems and is used in various protocol implementations.
   The Logical Interface support is required on the mobile node
   operating in a Proxy Mobile IPv6 domain, for leveraging various
   network-based mobility management features such as inter-technology
   handoffs, multihoming and flow mobility support.  This document
   explains the operational details of Logical Interface construct and
   the specifics on how the link-layer implementations hide the physical
   interfaces from the IP stack and from the network nodes on the
   attached access networks.  Furthermore, this document identifies the
   applicability of this approach to various link-layer technologies and
   analyzes the issues around it when used in context with various
   mobility management features.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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Hello,

The logical interface support I-D (Logical Interface Support for multi-mode
IP Hosts <draft-ietf-netext-logical-interface-support>) has been discussed
by the Netext WG almost since the time the WG was formed. The key objective
of this document was to provide information of how to maintain session
continuity within a PMIP6 domain when the mobile device does a handover
across access technologies. The suggestion was to use a virtual/logical
interface and this I-D was capturing information about such interfaces.

The logical or virtual interface is a fairly well understood concept today
and is available in a host of different operating systems today (as the
document also mentions). The relevance and need for this I-D in my opinion
has diminished and it is no longer needed.
I do not see an essential requirement or clamoring from the developer
community for such an I-D. Additionally the functionality of a
virtual/logical interface is best left to individual operating systems.

The document itself has improved in quality over 9 revisions. I appreciate
the effort and work put in this I-D by the authors. But IMHO I do not see
value or anything to be gained by progressing this I-D as an Informational
RFC. The WG is better served by working on documents that solve a problem
which addresses deployment or enhances functionality. We need to make a
decision about work items which may have made sense when we initiatally
began but have evolved subsequently.

My recommendation w.r.t this I-D is to drop it from the WG. The authors
could consider asking the int-area if they see value in progressing this
work.

-Raj

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>The lo=
gical interface support I-D (Logical Interface Support for multi-mode IP Ho=
sts &lt;draft-ietf-netext-logical-interface-support&gt;) has been discussed=
 by the Netext WG almost since the time the WG was formed. The key objectiv=
e of this document was to provide information of how to maintain session co=
ntinuity within a PMIP6 domain when the mobile device does a handover acros=
s access technologies. The suggestion was to use a virtual/logical interfac=
e and this I-D was capturing information about such interfaces.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The logical or virtual interface is a fairly well under=
stood concept today and is available in a host of different operating syste=
ms today (as the document also mentions). The relevance and need for this I=
-D in my opinion has diminished and it is no longer needed.=A0</div>
<div>I do not see an essential requirement or clamoring from the developer =
community for such an I-D. Additionally the functionality of a virtual/logi=
cal interface is best left to individual operating systems.=A0</div><div>
<br></div><div>The document itself has improved in quality over 9 revisions=
. I appreciate the effort and work put in this I-D by the authors. But IMHO=
 I do not see value or anything to be gained by progressing this I-D as an =
Informational RFC. The WG is better served by working on documents that sol=
ve a problem which addresses deployment or enhances functionality. We need =
to make a decision about work items which may have made sense when we initi=
atally began but have evolved subsequently.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>My recommendation w.r.t this I-D is to drop it from the=
 WG. The authors could consider asking the int-area if they see value in pr=
ogressing this work.</div><div><br></div><div>-Raj</div><div><br></div>
-- <br>Basavaraj Patil
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The IESG has received a request from the Network-Based Mobility
Extensions WG (netext) to consider the following document:
- 'Quality of Service Option for Proxy Mobile IPv6'
  <draft-ietf-netext-pmip6-qos-11.txt> as Proposed Standard

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Abstract


   This specification defines a new mobility option, the Quality of
   Service (QoS) option, for Proxy Mobile IPv6.  This option can be used
   by the local mobility anchor and the mobile access gateway for
   negotiating Quality of Service parameters for a mobile node's IP
   flows.  The negotiated QoS parameters can be used for QoS policing
   and marking of packets to enforce QoS differentiation on the path
   between the local mobility anchor and the mobile access gateway.
   Furthermore, making QoS parameters available on the mobile access
   gateway enables mapping of these parameters to QoS rules that are
   specific to the access technology and allows those rules to be
   enforced on the access network using access technology specific
   approaches.




The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netext-pmip6-qos/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netext-pmip6-qos/ballot/


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Hello,

This is the working group last call for I-D: Separation of Control and User
Plane for Proxy Mobile IPv6 <
draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation-02.txt>.

This I-D is intended to be progressed as a standards track document.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello,<div><br></div><div>This is the working group last c=
all for I-D:=A0<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap">Separa=
tion of Control and User Plane for Proxy Mobile IPv6 &lt;</span><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap">draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-sep=
aration-02.txt&gt;.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>This I-D is intended to be progressed as a standards tr=
ack document.=A0</div><div>Please review and post your comments on the mail=
ing list.</div><div>The last call will expire on March 27th, 14.=A0</div><d=
iv>
<br></div><div>-Chairs<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div></div></div>

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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 7148

        Title:      Prefix Delegation Support for Proxy 
                    Mobile IPv6 
        Author:     X. Zhou, J. Korhonen,
                    C. Williams, S. Gundavelli,
                    CJ. Bernardos
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       March 2014
        Mailbox:    zhou.xingyue@zte.com.cn, 
                    jouni.nospam@gmail.com, 
                    carlw@mcsr-labs.org,
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                    cjbc@it.uc3m.es
        Pages:      27
        Characters: 60422
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-netext-pd-pmip-14.txt

        URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7148.txt

This specification defines extensions to the Proxy Mobile IPv6
protocol for allowing a mobile router in a Proxy Mobile IPv6 domain
to obtain IP prefixes for its attached mobile networks using DHCPv6
prefix delegation.  Network-based mobility management support is
provided for those delegated IP prefixes just as it is provided for
the mobile node's home address.  Even if the mobile router performs a
handoff and changes its network point of attachment, mobility support
is ensured for all the delegated IP prefixes and for all the IP nodes
in the mobile network that use IP address configuration from those
delegated IP prefixes.

This document is a product of the Network-Based Mobility Extensions Working Group of the IETF.

This is now a Proposed Standard.

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Hello,

A few comments following my review of this I-D:

1. A lot of the 3GPP concepts are covered in this document. And there is
not enough explanation of things like the APN etc. I would recommend
referencing RFC6459 (Secs 2, 3 and 4) for a better overview of APNs, PDP
contexts etc.

2. It is not clear as to which EAP messages would include the attributes
such as AT_VIRTUAL_NETWORK_ID or AT_HANDOVER_INDICATION. Would be easier
for implementers if it was clearly spelled out in a message flow.

3. The attributes to co-relate sessions when moving between 3/4G networks
and WiFi no doubt are useful. But I am not sure if this is sufficient to
enable seamless mobility between these disparate networks. Maybe it would
be useful to clarify that these attributes are required in the context of
an overall 3/4G<->WiFi mobility design.

4. The following statement in Sec 5.3 is not clear as to its intent and the
outcome : "For Multiple PDN Connections only, a Mobile Node uses this
attribute
   to indicate whether it wishes the connectivity type to be Non-
   Seamless WLAN Offload or EPC."

5. Lastly I am wondering if it is worth trying to solve multiple problems
such as APN indication, Mobility between networks and Simultaneous
connections to different APNs in this I-D. I see the APN indication and
simulatenous connections to different APNs as something that would be
required in WiFI networks. Maybe the I-D would be simplified if it did not
tackle the seamless mobility aspect and drop the associated attributes
proposed.

-Raj

-- 
Basavaraj Patil

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>A few =
comments following my review of this I-D:</div><div><br></div><div>1. A lot=
 of the 3GPP concepts are covered in this document. And there is not enough=
 explanation of things like the APN etc. I would recommend referencing RFC6=
459 (Secs 2, 3 and 4) for a better overview of APNs, PDP contexts etc.</div=
>
<div><br></div><div>2. It is not clear as to which EAP messages would inclu=
de the attributes such as AT_VIRTUAL_NETWORK_ID or AT_HANDOVER_INDICATION. =
Would be easier for implementers if it was clearly spelled out in a message=
 flow.</div>
<div><br></div><div>3. The attributes to co-relate sessions when moving bet=
ween 3/4G networks and WiFi no doubt are useful. But I am not sure if this =
is sufficient to enable seamless mobility between these disparate networks.=
 Maybe it would be useful to clarify that these attributes are required in =
the context of an overall 3/4G&lt;-&gt;WiFi mobility design.</div>
<div><br></div><div>4. The following statement in Sec 5.3 is not clear as t=
o its intent and the outcome : &quot;For Multiple PDN Connections only, a M=
obile Node uses this attribute</div><div>=A0 =A0to indicate whether it wish=
es the connectivity type to be Non-</div>
<div>=A0 =A0Seamless WLAN Offload or EPC.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>5.=
 Lastly I am wondering if it is worth trying to solve multiple problems suc=
h as APN indication, Mobility between networks and Simultaneous connections=
 to different APNs in this I-D. I see the APN indication and simulatenous c=
onnections to different APNs as something that would be required in WiFI ne=
tworks. Maybe the I-D would be simplified if it did not tackle the seamless=
 mobility aspect and drop the associated attributes proposed.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-Raj</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Basavaraj Patil
</div>

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On 3/17/14, 7:13 PM, "Koodli, Rajeev" <rajeev.koodli@intel.com> wrote:

>
>Hi Raj,
>
>Thanks for the review. Responses inline:
>
>From: Basavaraj Patil <bpatil1@gmail.com<mailto:bpatil1@gmail.com>>
>Date: Monday, March 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
>To: "netext@ietf.org<mailto:netext@ietf.org>"
><netext@ietf.org<mailto:netext@ietf.org>>
>Cc:
>"draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-iet
>f-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org>"
><draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-iet
>f-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org>>
>Subject: Review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes-06
>Resent-To: Rajeev Koodli
><rajeev.koodli@intel.com<mailto:rajeev.koodli@intel.com>>,
><valmikam@gmail.com<mailto:valmikam@gmail.com>>
>
>
>Hello,
>
>A few comments following my review of this I-D:
>
>1. A lot of the 3GPP concepts are covered in this document. And there is
>not enough explanation of things like the APN etc. I would recommend
>referencing RFC6459 (Secs 2, 3 and 4) for a better overview of APNs, PDP
>contexts etc.
>
>Rajeev> okay, good idea.
>
>
>2. It is not clear as to which EAP messages would include the attributes
>such as AT_VIRTUAL_NETWORK_ID or AT_HANDOVER_INDICATION. Would be easier
>for implementers if it was clearly spelled out in a message flow.
>
>Rajeev> we do specify that in statements such as "This attribute can be
>included in any of the EAP Request message that
>   are integrity protected, such as EAP-Response/AKA-Challenge.". Since
>these are just the attributes, it is up to the implementations to
>incorporate them in the appropriate EAP messages. However, perhaps it
>would be better to indicate specific EAP messages which can be used to
>carry the corresponding attributes. Will take a look.
>
>
>3. The attributes to co-relate sessions when moving between 3/4G networks
>and WiFi no doubt are useful. But I am not sure if this is sufficient to
>enable seamless mobility between these disparate networks. Maybe it would
>be useful to clarify that these attributes are required in the context of
>an overall 3/4G<->WiFi mobility design.
>
>Rajeev> Right, the attribute itself is not sufficient, but is an enabler.
>
>
>4. The following statement in Sec 5.3 is not clear as to its intent and
>the outcome : "For Multiple PDN Connections only, a Mobile Node uses this
>attribute
>   to indicate whether it wishes the connectivity type to be Non-
>   Seamless WLAN Offload or EPC."
>
>Rajeev> So, both Offload and EPC connectivity choices come into play only
>when multiple PDN connectivity is supported. (It is one or the other for
>single PDN connectivity)
>
>
>5. Lastly I am wondering if it is worth trying to solve multiple problems
>such as APN indication, Mobility between networks and Simultaneous
>connections to different APNs in this I-D. I see the APN indication and
>simulatenous connections to different APNs as something that would be
>required in WiFI networks. Maybe the I-D would be simplified if it did
>not tackle the seamless mobility aspect and drop the associated
>attributes proposed.
>
>Rajeev> I assume by =B3Mobility between networks=B2 you mean the attribute
>AT_HANDOVER_SESSION_ID. This is an optional attribute which can be useful
>in determining the previous attachment of the UE. Other than that, there
>are no other attributes.
>
>Thanks.
>
>-Rajeev
>
>
>-Raj
>
>--
>Basavaraj Patil

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">--------=
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On 3/17/14, 7:13 PM, &quot;Koodli, Rajeev&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rajee=
v.koodli@intel.com">rajeev.koodli@intel.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Hi Raj,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Thanks for the review. Responses inline:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;From: Basavaraj Patil &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bpatil1@gmail.com">bpatil1@=
gmail.com</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bpatil1@gmail.com">bpatil1@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;Date: Monday, March 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM<br>
&gt;To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:netext@ietf.org">netext@ietf.org</a>&lt;mai=
lto:<a href=3D"mailto:netext@ietf.org">netext@ietf.org</a>&gt;&quot;<br>
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 href=3D"mailto:netext@ietf.org">netext@ietf.org</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;Cc:<br>
&gt;&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools=
.ietf.org">draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org</a>&lt;=
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>
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&gt;&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rajeev.koodli@intel.com">rajeev.koodli@intel.com<=
/a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:rajeev.koodli@intel.com">rajeev.koodli@inte=
l.com</a>&gt;&gt;,<br>
&gt;&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:valmikam@gmail.com">valmikam@gmail.com</a>&lt;mai=
lto:<a href=3D"mailto:valmikam@gmail.com">valmikam@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br=
>
<div class=3D"">&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Hello,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;A few comments following my review of this I-D:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;1. A lot of the 3GPP concepts are covered in this document. And there i=
s<br>
&gt;not enough explanation of things like the APN etc. I would recommend<br=
>
&gt;referencing RFC6459 (Secs 2, 3 and 4) for a better overview of APNs, PD=
P<br>
&gt;contexts etc.<br>
&gt;<br>
</div>&gt;Rajeev&gt; okay, good idea.<br>
<div class=3D"">&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;2. It is not clear as to which EAP messages would include the attribute=
s<br>
&gt;such as AT_VIRTUAL_NETWORK_ID or AT_HANDOVER_INDICATION. Would be easie=
r<br>
&gt;for implementers if it was clearly spelled out in a message flow.<br>
&gt;<br>
</div>&gt;Rajeev&gt; we do specify that in statements such as &quot;This at=
tribute can be<br>
&gt;included in any of the EAP Request message that<br>
&gt; =A0 are integrity protected, such as EAP-Response/AKA-Challenge.&quot;=
. Since<br>
&gt;these are just the attributes, it is up to the implementations to<br>
&gt;incorporate them in the appropriate EAP messages. However, perhaps it<b=
r>
&gt;would be better to indicate specific EAP messages which can be used to<=
br>
&gt;carry the corresponding attributes. Will take a look.<br>
<div class=3D"">&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;3. The attributes to co-relate sessions when moving between 3/4G networ=
ks<br>
&gt;and WiFi no doubt are useful. But I am not sure if this is sufficient t=
o<br>
&gt;enable seamless mobility between these disparate networks. Maybe it wou=
ld<br>
&gt;be useful to clarify that these attributes are required in the context =
of<br>
&gt;an overall 3/4G&lt;-&gt;WiFi mobility design.<br>
&gt;<br>
</div>&gt;Rajeev&gt; Right, the attribute itself is not sufficient, but is =
an enabler.<br>
<div class=3D"">&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;4. The following statement in Sec 5.3 is not clear as to its intent and=
<br>
&gt;the outcome : &quot;For Multiple PDN Connections only, a Mobile Node us=
es this<br>
&gt;attribute<br>
&gt; =A0 to indicate whether it wishes the connectivity type to be Non-<br>
&gt; =A0 Seamless WLAN Offload or EPC.&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
</div>&gt;Rajeev&gt; So, both Offload and EPC connectivity choices come int=
o play only<br>
&gt;when multiple PDN connectivity is supported. (It is one or the other fo=
r<br>
&gt;single PDN connectivity)<br>
<div class=3D"">&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;5. Lastly I am wondering if it is worth trying to solve multiple proble=
ms<br>
&gt;such as APN indication, Mobility between networks and Simultaneous<br>
&gt;connections to different APNs in this I-D. I see the APN indication and=
<br>
&gt;simulatenous connections to different APNs as something that would be<b=
r>
&gt;required in WiFI networks. Maybe the I-D would be simplified if it did<=
br>
&gt;not tackle the seamless mobility aspect and drop the associated<br>
&gt;attributes proposed.<br>
&gt;<br>
</div>&gt;Rajeev&gt; I assume by =B3Mobility between networks=B2 you mean t=
he attribute<br>
&gt;AT_HANDOVER_SESSION_ID. This is an optional attribute which can be usef=
ul<br>
&gt;in determining the previous attachment of the UE. Other than that, ther=
e<br>
&gt;are no other attributes.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Thanks.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;-Rajeev<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;-Raj<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;--<br>
&gt;Basavaraj Patil<br>
<br>
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Thanks for your responses Rajeev. Please send an updated I-D. Also note
that there are editorial issues as well which I did not cover. You may want
to take care of them as well when you revise the I-D.

-Raj


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Koodli, Rajeev <rajeev.koodli@intel.com>wrote:

>
>  Hi Raj,
>
>  Thanks for the review. Responses inline:
>
>   From: Basavaraj Patil <bpatil1@gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, March 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
> To: "netext@ietf.org" <netext@ietf.org>
> Cc: "draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org" <
> draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org>
> Subject: Review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes-06
> Resent-To: Rajeev Koodli <rajeev.koodli@intel.com>, <valmikam@gmail.com>
>
>
>  Hello,
>
>  A few comments following my review of this I-D:
>
>  1. A lot of the 3GPP concepts are covered in this document. And there is
> not enough explanation of things like the APN etc. I would recommend
> referencing RFC6459 (Secs 2, 3 and 4) for a better overview of APNs, PDP
> contexts etc.
>
>  Rajeev> okay, good idea.
>
>
>  2. It is not clear as to which EAP messages would include the attributes
> such as AT_VIRTUAL_NETWORK_ID or AT_HANDOVER_INDICATION. Would be easier
> for implementers if it was clearly spelled out in a message flow.
>
>  Rajeev> we do specify that in statements such as "This attribute can be
> included in any of the EAP Request message that
>    are integrity protected, such as EAP-Response/AKA-Challenge.". Since
> these are just the attributes, it is up to the implementations to
> incorporate them in the appropriate EAP messages. However, perhaps it would
> be better to indicate specific EAP messages which can be used to carry the
> corresponding attributes. Will take a look.
>
>
>  3. The attributes to co-relate sessions when moving between 3/4G
> networks and WiFi no doubt are useful. But I am not sure if this is
> sufficient to enable seamless mobility between these disparate networks.
> Maybe it would be useful to clarify that these attributes are required in
> the context of an overall 3/4G<->WiFi mobility design.
>
>  Rajeev> Right, the attribute itself is not sufficient, but is an
> enabler.
>
>
>  4. The following statement in Sec 5.3 is not clear as to its intent and
> the outcome : "For Multiple PDN Connections only, a Mobile Node uses this
> attribute
>    to indicate whether it wishes the connectivity type to be Non-
>    Seamless WLAN Offload or EPC."
>
>  Rajeev> So, both Offload and EPC connectivity choices come into play
> only when multiple PDN connectivity is supported. (It is one or the other
> for single PDN connectivity)
>
>
>  5. Lastly I am wondering if it is worth trying to solve multiple
> problems such as APN indication, Mobility between networks and Simultaneous
> connections to different APNs in this I-D. I see the APN indication and
> simulatenous connections to different APNs as something that would be
> required in WiFI networks. Maybe the I-D would be simplified if it did not
> tackle the seamless mobility aspect and drop the associated attributes
> proposed.
>
>  Rajeev> I assume by "Mobility between networks" you mean the attribute
> AT_HANDOVER_SESSION_ID. This is an optional attribute which can be useful
> in determining the previous attachment of the UE. Other than that, there
> are no other attributes.
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  -Rajeev
>
>
>  -Raj
>
>  --
> Basavaraj Patil
>



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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Thanks for your responses Rajeev. Please send an =
updated I-D. Also note that there are editorial issues as well which I did =
not cover. You may want to take care of them as well when you revise the I-=
D.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-Raj</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Koodli, Rajeev <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rajeev.koodli@intel.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">rajeev.koodli@intel.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif">
<div style><br>
</div>
<div style>Hi Raj,</div>
<div style><br>
</div>
<div style>Thanks for the review. Responses inline:</div>
<div style><br>
</div>
<span style>
<div style=3D"border-right:medium none;padding-right:0in;padding-left:0in;p=
adding-top:3pt;text-align:left;font-size:11pt;border-bottom:medium none;fon=
t-family:Calibri;border-top:#b5c4df 1pt solid;padding-bottom:0in;border-lef=
t:medium none">

<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Basavaraj Patil &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:bpatil1@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bpatil1@gmail.com</a>&gt;<b=
r>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, March 17, 2014 at 2:4=
8 PM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:netext@=
ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netext@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:netext@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netext@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-i=
etf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-=
ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<b=
r>

<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Review of I-D: draft-ietf-=
netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes-06<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-To: </span>Rajeev Koodli &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:rajeev.koodli@intel.com" target=3D"_blank">rajeev.koodli@intel.=
com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:valmikam@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">va=
lmikam@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>

</div><div class=3D"">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hello,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A few comments following my review of this I-D:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. A lot of the 3GPP concepts are covered in this document. And there =
is not enough explanation of things like the APN etc. I would recommend ref=
erencing RFC6459 (Secs 2, 3 and 4) for a better overview of APNs, PDP conte=
xts etc.</div>

</div>
</div>
</div>
</div></span>
<div style><br>
</div>
<div style><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; okay, good idea.</font></div>=
<div class=3D"">
<div style><br>
</div>
<span style>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. It is not clear as to which EAP messages would include the attribut=
es such as AT_VIRTUAL_NETWORK_ID or AT_HANDOVER_INDICATION. Would be easier=
 for implementers if it was clearly spelled out in a message flow.</div>

</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
<div style><br>
</div>
</div><div style><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; we do specify that in s=
tatements such as &quot;<span style=3D"font-size:1em">This attribute can be=
 included in any of the EAP Request message that</span></font></div>
<div style><font color=3D"#0000ff"><span style=3D"font-size:1em">&nbsp; &nb=
sp;are integrity protected, such as EAP-Response/AKA-Challenge.&quot;</span=
>. Since these are just the attributes, it is up to the implementations to =
incorporate them in the appropriate
 EAP messages. However, perhaps it would be better to indicate specific EAP=
 messages which can be used to carry the corresponding attributes. Will tak=
e a look.</font></div><div class=3D"">
<div style><br>
</div>
<span style>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>3. The attributes to co-relate sessions when moving between 3/4G netwo=
rks and WiFi no doubt are useful. But I am not sure if this is sufficient t=
o enable seamless mobility between these disparate networks. Maybe it would=
 be useful to clarify that these
 attributes are required in the context of an overall 3/4G&lt;-&gt;WiFi mob=
ility design.</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
<div style><br>
</div>
</div><div style><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; Right, the attribute it=
self is not sufficient, but is an enabler.&nbsp;</font></div><div class=3D"=
">
<div style><font color=3D"#0000ff"><br>
</font></div>
<span style>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div style>4. The following statement in Sec 5.3 is not clear as to its int=
ent and the outcome : &quot;For Multiple PDN Connections only, a Mobile Nod=
e uses this attribute</div>
<div style>&nbsp; &nbsp;to indicate whether it wishes the connectivity type=
 to be Non-</div>
<div style>&nbsp; &nbsp;Seamless WLAN Offload or EPC.&quot;</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
<div style><br>
</div>
</div><div style><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; So, both Offload and EP=
C connectivity choices come into play only when multiple PDN connectivity i=
s supported. (It is one or the other for single PDN connectivity)</font></d=
iv>
<div class=3D"">
<div style><font color=3D"#0000ff">&nbsp;</font></div>
<span style>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>5. Lastly I am wondering if it is worth trying to solve multiple probl=
ems such as APN indication, Mobility between networks and Simultaneous conn=
ections to different APNs in this I-D. I see the APN indication and simulat=
enous connections to different APNs
 as something that would be required in WiFI networks. Maybe the I-D would =
be simplified if it did not tackle the seamless mobility aspect and drop th=
e associated attributes proposed.</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
<div style><br>
</div>
</div><div style><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; I assume by &ldquo;Mobi=
lity between networks&rdquo; you mean the attribute AT_HANDOVER<span style=
=3D"font-style:italic">_</span>SESSION_ID. This is an optional attribute wh=
ich can be useful in determining
 the previous attachment of the UE. Other than that, there are no other att=
ributes.</font></div>
<div style><br>
</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff">Thanks.</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff">-Rajeev</font></div>
<div style><br>
</div>
<span style>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Raj</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">
<div><br>
</div>
-- <br>
Basavaraj Patil </font></span></div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</div>

</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Basavaraj Pa=
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</div>

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Okay. Where can I find the editorial issues? :)

-Rajeev



On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Basavaraj Patil <bpatil1@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks for your responses Rajeev. Please send an updated I-D. Also note
> that there are editorial issues as well which I did not cover. You may want
> to take care of them as well when you revise the I-D.
>
> -Raj
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Koodli, Rajeev <rajeev.koodli@intel.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>  Hi Raj,
>>
>>  Thanks for the review. Responses inline:
>>
>>   From: Basavaraj Patil <bpatil1@gmail.com>
>>
>> Date: Monday, March 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
>> To: "netext@ietf.org" <netext@ietf.org>
>> Cc: "draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org" <
>> draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org>
>>
>> Subject: Review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes-06
>> Resent-To: Rajeev Koodli <rajeev.koodli@intel.com>, <valmikam@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>  Hello,
>>
>>  A few comments following my review of this I-D:
>>
>>  1. A lot of the 3GPP concepts are covered in this document. And there
>> is not enough explanation of things like the APN etc. I would recommend
>> referencing RFC6459 (Secs 2, 3 and 4) for a better overview of APNs, PDP
>> contexts etc.
>>
>>  Rajeev> okay, good idea.
>>
>>
>>  2. It is not clear as to which EAP messages would include the
>> attributes such as AT_VIRTUAL_NETWORK_ID or AT_HANDOVER_INDICATION. Would
>> be easier for implementers if it was clearly spelled out in a message flow.
>>
>>  Rajeev> we do specify that in statements such as "This attribute can be
>> included in any of the EAP Request message that
>>    are integrity protected, such as EAP-Response/AKA-Challenge.". Since
>> these are just the attributes, it is up to the implementations to
>> incorporate them in the appropriate EAP messages. However, perhaps it would
>> be better to indicate specific EAP messages which can be used to carry the
>> corresponding attributes. Will take a look.
>>
>>
>>  3. The attributes to co-relate sessions when moving between 3/4G
>> networks and WiFi no doubt are useful. But I am not sure if this is
>> sufficient to enable seamless mobility between these disparate networks.
>> Maybe it would be useful to clarify that these attributes are required in
>> the context of an overall 3/4G<->WiFi mobility design.
>>
>>  Rajeev> Right, the attribute itself is not sufficient, but is an
>> enabler.
>>
>>
>>  4. The following statement in Sec 5.3 is not clear as to its intent and
>> the outcome : "For Multiple PDN Connections only, a Mobile Node uses this
>> attribute
>>    to indicate whether it wishes the connectivity type to be Non-
>>    Seamless WLAN Offload or EPC."
>>
>>  Rajeev> So, both Offload and EPC connectivity choices come into play
>> only when multiple PDN connectivity is supported. (It is one or the other
>> for single PDN connectivity)
>>
>>
>>  5. Lastly I am wondering if it is worth trying to solve multiple
>> problems such as APN indication, Mobility between networks and Simultaneous
>> connections to different APNs in this I-D. I see the APN indication and
>> simulatenous connections to different APNs as something that would be
>> required in WiFI networks. Maybe the I-D would be simplified if it did not
>> tackle the seamless mobility aspect and drop the associated attributes
>> proposed.
>>
>>  Rajeev> I assume by "Mobility between networks" you mean the attribute
>> AT_HANDOVER_SESSION_ID. This is an optional attribute which can be
>> useful in determining the previous attachment of the UE. Other than that,
>> there are no other attributes.
>>
>>  Thanks.
>>
>>  -Rajeev
>>
>>
>>  -Raj
>>
>>  --
>> Basavaraj Patil
>>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Okay. Where can I find the editorial issues? :)</=
div><div><br></div><div>-Rajeev</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:54 A=
M, Basavaraj Patil <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bpatil1@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">bpatil1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Thanks for your re=
sponses Rajeev. Please send an updated I-D. Also note that there are editor=
ial issues as well which I did not cover. You may want to take care of them=
 as well when you revise the I-D.</div>

<div><br></div><div>-Raj</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"">On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Ko=
odli, Rajeev <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rajeev.koodli@intel.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">rajeev.koodli@intel.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif"><div class=3D"">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hi Raj,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the review. Responses inline:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div><span>
<div style=3D"border-right:medium none;padding-right:0in;padding-left:0in;p=
adding-top:3pt;text-align:left;font-size:11pt;border-bottom:medium none;fon=
t-family:Calibri;border-top:#b5c4df 1pt solid;padding-bottom:0in;border-lef=
t:medium none">


<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Basavaraj Patil &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:bpatil1@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bpatil1@gmail.com</a>&gt;<d=
iv class=3D""><br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, March 17, 2014 at 2:4=
8 PM<br>
</div><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:n=
etext@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netext@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:netext@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netext@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-i=
etf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-=
ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<d=
iv class=3D"">
<br>

<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Review of I-D: draft-ietf-=
netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes-06<br>
</div><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-To: </span>Rajeev Koodli &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:rajeev.koodli@intel.com" target=3D"_blank">rajeev.koodli@=
intel.com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:valmikam@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">valmikam@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>


</div><div class=3D""><div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hello,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A few comments following my review of this I-D:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. A lot of the 3GPP concepts are covered in this document. And there =
is not enough explanation of things like the APN etc. I would recommend ref=
erencing RFC6459 (Secs 2, 3 and 4) for a better overview of APNs, PDP conte=
xts etc.</div>


</div>
</div>
</div>
</div></div></span>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; okay, good idea.</font></div><div c=
lass=3D""><div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. It is not clear as to which EAP messages would include the attribut=
es such as AT_VIRTUAL_NETWORK_ID or AT_HANDOVER_INDICATION. Would be easier=
 for implementers if it was clearly spelled out in a message flow.</div>


</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
<div><br>
</div>
</div></div><div class=3D""><div><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; we do s=
pecify that in statements such as &quot;<span style=3D"font-size:1em">This =
attribute can be included in any of the EAP Request message that</span></fo=
nt></div>

<div><font color=3D"#0000ff"><span style=3D"font-size:1em">&nbsp; &nbsp;are=
 integrity protected, such as EAP-Response/AKA-Challenge.&quot;</span>. Sin=
ce these are just the attributes, it is up to the implementations to incorp=
orate them in the appropriate
 EAP messages. However, perhaps it would be better to indicate specific EAP=
 messages which can be used to carry the corresponding attributes. Will tak=
e a look.</font></div></div><div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div><div class=3D"">
<div>3. The attributes to co-relate sessions when moving between 3/4G netwo=
rks and WiFi no doubt are useful. But I am not sure if this is sufficient t=
o enable seamless mobility between these disparate networks. Maybe it would=
 be useful to clarify that these
 attributes are required in the context of an overall 3/4G&lt;-&gt;WiFi mob=
ility design.</div>
</div></div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
<div><br>
</div>
</div><div class=3D""><div><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; Right, the at=
tribute itself is not sufficient, but is an enabler.&nbsp;</font></div></di=
v><div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff"><br>
</font></div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div><div class=3D"">
<div>4. The following statement in Sec 5.3 is not clear as to its intent an=
d the outcome : &quot;For Multiple PDN Connections only, a Mobile Node uses=
 this attribute</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;to indicate whether it wishes the connectivity type to be=
 Non-</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;Seamless WLAN Offload or EPC.&quot;</div>
</div></div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
<div><br>
</div>
</div><div class=3D""><div><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; So, both Offl=
oad and EPC connectivity choices come into play only when multiple PDN conn=
ectivity is supported. (It is one or the other for single PDN connectivity)=
</font></div>

</div><div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff">&nbsp;</font></div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div><div class=3D"">
<div>5. Lastly I am wondering if it is worth trying to solve multiple probl=
ems such as APN indication, Mobility between networks and Simultaneous conn=
ections to different APNs in this I-D. I see the APN indication and simulat=
enous connections to different APNs
 as something that would be required in WiFI networks. Maybe the I-D would =
be simplified if it did not tackle the seamless mobility aspect and drop th=
e associated attributes proposed.</div>
</div></div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
<div><br>
</div>
</div><div class=3D""><div><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; I assume by &=
ldquo;Mobility between networks&rdquo; you mean the attribute AT_HANDOVER<s=
pan style=3D"font-style:italic">_</span>SESSION_ID. This is an optional att=
ribute which can be useful in determining
 the previous attachment of the UE. Other than that, there are no other att=
ributes.</font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff">Thanks.</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff">-Rajeev</font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Raj</div><span><font color=3D"#888888">
<div><br>
</div>
-- <br>
Basavaraj Patil </font></span></div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</div></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

</font></span></blockquote></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888=
888"><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Basavaraj Patil
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I was hoping you would catch then yourself :)

But I can send you a few that I noticed while reviewing it.

-Raj


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Rajeev Koodli <rajeev.koodli@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Okay. Where can I find the editorial issues? :)
>
> -Rajeev
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Basavaraj Patil <bpatil1@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for your responses Rajeev. Please send an updated I-D. Also note
>> that there are editorial issues as well which I did not cover. You may want
>> to take care of them as well when you revise the I-D.
>>
>> -Raj
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Koodli, Rajeev <rajeev.koodli@intel.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  Hi Raj,
>>>
>>>  Thanks for the review. Responses inline:
>>>
>>>   From: Basavaraj Patil <bpatil1@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Date: Monday, March 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
>>> To: "netext@ietf.org" <netext@ietf.org>
>>> Cc: "draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org" <
>>> draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org>
>>>
>>> Subject: Review of I-D: draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes-06
>>> Resent-To: Rajeev Koodli <rajeev.koodli@intel.com>, <valmikam@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hello,
>>>
>>>  A few comments following my review of this I-D:
>>>
>>>  1. A lot of the 3GPP concepts are covered in this document. And there
>>> is not enough explanation of things like the APN etc. I would recommend
>>> referencing RFC6459 (Secs 2, 3 and 4) for a better overview of APNs, PDP
>>> contexts etc.
>>>
>>>  Rajeev> okay, good idea.
>>>
>>>
>>>  2. It is not clear as to which EAP messages would include the
>>> attributes such as AT_VIRTUAL_NETWORK_ID or AT_HANDOVER_INDICATION. Would
>>> be easier for implementers if it was clearly spelled out in a message flow.
>>>
>>>  Rajeev> we do specify that in statements such as "This attribute can
>>> be included in any of the EAP Request message that
>>>    are integrity protected, such as EAP-Response/AKA-Challenge.". Since
>>> these are just the attributes, it is up to the implementations to
>>> incorporate them in the appropriate EAP messages. However, perhaps it would
>>> be better to indicate specific EAP messages which can be used to carry the
>>> corresponding attributes. Will take a look.
>>>
>>>
>>>  3. The attributes to co-relate sessions when moving between 3/4G
>>> networks and WiFi no doubt are useful. But I am not sure if this is
>>> sufficient to enable seamless mobility between these disparate networks.
>>> Maybe it would be useful to clarify that these attributes are required in
>>> the context of an overall 3/4G<->WiFi mobility design.
>>>
>>>  Rajeev> Right, the attribute itself is not sufficient, but is an
>>> enabler.
>>>
>>>
>>>  4. The following statement in Sec 5.3 is not clear as to its intent
>>> and the outcome : "For Multiple PDN Connections only, a Mobile Node uses
>>> this attribute
>>>    to indicate whether it wishes the connectivity type to be Non-
>>>    Seamless WLAN Offload or EPC."
>>>
>>>  Rajeev> So, both Offload and EPC connectivity choices come into play
>>> only when multiple PDN connectivity is supported. (It is one or the other
>>> for single PDN connectivity)
>>>
>>>
>>>  5. Lastly I am wondering if it is worth trying to solve multiple
>>> problems such as APN indication, Mobility between networks and Simultaneous
>>> connections to different APNs in this I-D. I see the APN indication and
>>> simulatenous connections to different APNs as something that would be
>>> required in WiFI networks. Maybe the I-D would be simplified if it did not
>>> tackle the seamless mobility aspect and drop the associated attributes
>>> proposed.
>>>
>>>  Rajeev> I assume by "Mobility between networks" you mean the attribute
>>> AT_HANDOVER_SESSION_ID. This is an optional attribute which can be
>>> useful in determining the previous attachment of the UE. Other than that,
>>> there are no other attributes.
>>>
>>>  Thanks.
>>>
>>>  -Rajeev
>>>
>>>
>>>  -Raj
>>>
>>>  --
>>> Basavaraj Patil
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Basavaraj Patil
>>
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v><div><br></div><div>But I can send you a few that I noticed while reviewi=
ng it.</div><div><br></div><div>-Raj</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Rajeev Kood=
li <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rajeev.koodli@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">rajeev.koodli@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Okay. Where can I find the editorial issues? :)</=
div><div><br></div><div>-Rajeev</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Thu,=
 Mar 20, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Basavaraj Patil <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:bpatil1@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bpatil1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br>

</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br><div>Thanks for your responses Rajeev. Please send an updated =
I-D. Also note that there are editorial issues as well which I did not cove=
r. You may want to take care of them as well when you revise the I-D.</div>


<div><br></div><div>-Raj</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Koodli, Rajee=
v <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rajeev.koodli@intel.com" target=
=3D"_blank">rajeev.koodli@intel.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif"><div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hi Raj,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the review. Responses inline:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div><span>
<div style=3D"border-right:medium none;padding-right:0in;padding-left:0in;p=
adding-top:3pt;text-align:left;font-size:11pt;border-bottom:medium none;fon=
t-family:Calibri;border-top:#b5c4df 1pt solid;padding-bottom:0in;border-lef=
t:medium none">



<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Basavaraj Patil &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:bpatil1@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bpatil1@gmail.com</a>&gt;<d=
iv><br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, March 17, 2014 at 2:4=
8 PM<br>
</div><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:n=
etext@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netext@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:netext@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netext@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-i=
etf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-=
ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<d=
iv>

<br>

<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Review of I-D: draft-ietf-=
netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes-06<br>
</div><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-To: </span>Rajeev Koodli &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:rajeev.koodli@intel.com" target=3D"_blank">rajeev.koodli@=
intel.com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:valmikam@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">valmikam@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>



</div><div><div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hello,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A few comments following my review of this I-D:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. A lot of the 3GPP concepts are covered in this document. And there =
is not enough explanation of things like the APN etc. I would recommend ref=
erencing RFC6459 (Secs 2, 3 and 4) for a better overview of APNs, PDP conte=
xts etc.</div>



</div>
</div>
</div>
</div></div></span>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; okay, good idea.</font></div><div><=
div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. It is not clear as to which EAP messages would include the attribut=
es such as AT_VIRTUAL_NETWORK_ID or AT_HANDOVER_INDICATION. Would be easier=
 for implementers if it was clearly spelled out in a message flow.</div>



</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
<div><br>
</div>
</div></div><div><div><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; we do specify that=
 in statements such as &quot;<span style=3D"font-size:1em">This attribute c=
an be included in any of the EAP Request message that</span></font></div>

<div><font color=3D"#0000ff"><span style=3D"font-size:1em">&nbsp; &nbsp;are=
 integrity protected, such as EAP-Response/AKA-Challenge.&quot;</span>. Sin=
ce these are just the attributes, it is up to the implementations to incorp=
orate them in the appropriate
 EAP messages. However, perhaps it would be better to indicate specific EAP=
 messages which can be used to carry the corresponding attributes. Will tak=
e a look.</font></div></div><div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div><div>
<div>3. The attributes to co-relate sessions when moving between 3/4G netwo=
rks and WiFi no doubt are useful. But I am not sure if this is sufficient t=
o enable seamless mobility between these disparate networks. Maybe it would=
 be useful to clarify that these
 attributes are required in the context of an overall 3/4G&lt;-&gt;WiFi mob=
ility design.</div>
</div></div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
<div><br>
</div>
</div><div><div><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; Right, the attribute its=
elf is not sufficient, but is an enabler.&nbsp;</font></div></div><div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff"><br>
</font></div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div><div>
<div>4. The following statement in Sec 5.3 is not clear as to its intent an=
d the outcome : &quot;For Multiple PDN Connections only, a Mobile Node uses=
 this attribute</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;to indicate whether it wishes the connectivity type to be=
 Non-</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;Seamless WLAN Offload or EPC.&quot;</div>
</div></div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
<div><br>
</div>
</div><div><div><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; So, both Offload and EPC=
 connectivity choices come into play only when multiple PDN connectivity is=
 supported. (It is one or the other for single PDN connectivity)</font></di=
v>


</div><div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff">&nbsp;</font></div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div><div>
<div>5. Lastly I am wondering if it is worth trying to solve multiple probl=
ems such as APN indication, Mobility between networks and Simultaneous conn=
ections to different APNs in this I-D. I see the APN indication and simulat=
enous connections to different APNs
 as something that would be required in WiFI networks. Maybe the I-D would =
be simplified if it did not tackle the seamless mobility aspect and drop th=
e associated attributes proposed.</div>
</div></div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
<div><br>
</div>
</div><div><div><font color=3D"#0000ff">Rajeev&gt; I assume by &ldquo;Mobil=
ity between networks&rdquo; you mean the attribute AT_HANDOVER<span style=
=3D"font-style:italic">_</span>SESSION_ID. This is an optional attribute wh=
ich can be useful in determining
 the previous attachment of the UE. Other than that, there are no other att=
ributes.</font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff">Thanks.</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff">-Rajeev</font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Raj</div><span><font color=3D"#888888">
<div><br>
</div>
-- <br>
Basavaraj Patil </font></span></div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</div></div><span><font color=3D"#888888">

</font></span></blockquote></div><span><font color=3D"#888888"><br><br clea=
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    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi authors,<br>
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      clarification question:<br>
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         must explicitly indicate its support-capability for this
         feature by including the LMA User Plane Address mobility Option
         in the <font color="#ff0000">Proxy Binding Acknowledgement</font>.  If the option is not
         present in the Proxy Binding Update, the local mobility anchor
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    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br>
      How can MAG indicate its support by PBA? Is it PBU or LMA does it
      by any chance?</font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">
      The same question applies in the following paragraph in the
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Hidetoshi Yokota

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        <div><br>
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        <div>This is the working group last call for I-D:&nbsp;<span
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap">Separation of
            Control and User Plane for Proxy Mobile IPv6 &lt;</span><span
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap">draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation-02.txt&gt;.</span></div>
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        </div>
        <div>This I-D is intended to be progressed as a standards track
          document.&nbsp;</div>
        <div>Please review and post your comments on the mailing list.</div>
        <div>The last call will expire on March 27th, 14.&nbsp;</div>
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Hi

I support this draft; it adresses valid architecture scenario with separate=
d control and data plane entities.
However architecture in figure 1 should be updated to clearly show this sep=
aration. Fig 1 put both mag cp and mag up within the same box, which is a b=
it confusing regarding the scope of the document.

Although out of scope of the document, it would be worth to give indication=
 on interface between mag cp and up (eg Capwap based) in order to have the =
full picture on how the solution can work.

Sent from my mobile

---- Hidetoshi Yokota <yokota@kddilabs.jp> wrote ----

Hi authors,

I think this is in good shape enough to go, but just one clarification ques=
tion:

In Section 6,

         When this variable on the MAG is set to a value of (0), the MAG
         must explicitly indicate its support-capability for this
         feature by including the LMA User Plane Address mobility Option
         in the Proxy Binding Acknowledgement.  If the option is not
         present in the Proxy Binding Update, the local mobility anchor
         will not enable this feature for that mobility session.

How can MAG indicate its support by PBA? Is it PBU or LMA does it by any ch=
ance? The same question applies in the following paragraph in the document.

Regards,

--
Hidetoshi Yokota

KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp<mailto:e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp>




(2014/03/13 3:42), Basavaraj Patil wrote:
Hello,

This is the working group last call for I-D: Separation of Control and User=
 Plane for Proxy Mobile IPv6 <draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation-02.tx=
t>.

This I-D is intended to be progressed as a standards track document.
Please review and post your comments on the mailing list.
The last call will expire on March 27th, 14.

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Hi Yokota-san,

Thanks for the review.

> How can MAG indicate its support by PBA?

Its a typo. Thanks for pointing to this. Will fix it.

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From: Hidetoshi Yokota <yokota@kddilabs.jp<mailto:yokota@kddilabs.jp>>
Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:23 AM
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Hi authors,

I think this is in good shape enough to go, but just one clarification ques=
tion:

In Section 6,

         When this variable on the MAG is set to a value of (0), the MAG
         must explicitly indicate its support-capability for this
         feature by including the LMA User Plane Address mobility Option
         in the Proxy Binding Acknowledgement.  If the option is not
         present in the Proxy Binding Update, the local mobility anchor
         will not enable this feature for that mobility session.

How can MAG indicate its support by PBA? Is it PBU or LMA does it by any ch=
ance? The same question applies in the following paragraph in the document.

Regards,

--
Hidetoshi Yokota

KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
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(2014/03/13 3:42), Basavaraj Patil wrote:
Hello,

This is the working group last call for I-D: Separation of Control and User=
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This I-D is intended to be progressed as a standards track document.
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I think this is in good shape enough to go, but just one clarification ques=
tion:<br>
</font><br>
<font face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font face=3D"Helvetica,
        Arial,sans-serif">In Section 6,<br>
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  When this variable on the MAG is set to a value of (0), the MAG
         must explicitly indicate its support-capability for this
         feature by including the LMA User Plane Address mobility Option
         in the <font color=3D"#ff0000">Proxy Binding Acknowledgement</font=
>.  If the option is not
         present in the Proxy Binding Update, the local mobility anchor
         will not enable this feature for that mobility session.</font></pr=
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How can MAG indicate its support by PBA? Is it PBU or LMA does it by any ch=
ance?</font><font face=3D"Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> The same question ap=
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<br>
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:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap">Separation of Control and User Plane for =
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<div>Please review and post your comments on the mailing list.</div>
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Hi Pierrick,

Thanks for the review.

> However architecture in figure 1 should be updated to clearly show this s=
eparation.

Ack. Will update the figure.

Regards
Sri


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Hi

I support this draft; it adresses valid architecture scenario with separate=
d control and data plane entities.
However architecture in figure 1 should be updated to clearly show this sep=
aration. Fig 1 put both mag cp and mag up within the same box, which is a b=
it confusing regarding the scope of the document.

Although out of scope of the document, it would be worth to give indication=
 on interface between mag cp and up (eg Capwap based) in order to have the =
full picture on how the solution can work.

Sent from my mobile

---- Hidetoshi Yokota <yokota@kddilabs.jp<mailto:yokota@kddilabs.jp>> wrote=
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Hi authors,

I think this is in good shape enough to go, but just one clarification ques=
tion:

In Section 6,

         When this variable on the MAG is set to a value of (0), the MAG
         must explicitly indicate its support-capability for this
         feature by including the LMA User Plane Address mobility Option
         in the Proxy Binding Acknowledgement.  If the option is not
         present in the Proxy Binding Update, the local mobility anchor
         will not enable this feature for that mobility session.

How can MAG indicate its support by PBA? Is it PBU or LMA does it by any ch=
ance? The same question applies in the following paragraph in the document.

Regards,

--
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KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
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Hello,

This is the working group last call for I-D: Separation of Control and User=
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I support this draft; it adresses valid architecture scenario with separate=
d control and data plane entities.
However architecture in figure 1 should be updated to clearly show this sep=
aration. Fig 1 put both mag cp and mag up within the same box, which is a b=
it confusing regarding the scope of the document.

Although out of scope of the document, it would be worth to give indication=
 on interface between mag cp and up (eg Capwap based) in order to have the =
full picture on how the solution can work.

Sent from my mobile

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  When this variable on the MAG is set to a value of (0), the MAG
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         feature by including the LMA User Plane Address mobility Option
         in the <font color=3D"#ff0000">Proxy Binding Acknowledgement</font=
>.  If the option is not
         present in the Proxy Binding Update, the local mobility anchor
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Thanks Yokota-san for review! We will fix it.

ryuji


2014/03/27 =E5=8D=88=E5=89=8D8:19=E3=80=81Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) =
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> Hi Yokota-san,
>=20
> Thanks for the review.=20
>=20
> > How can MAG indicate its support by PBA?=20
>=20
> Its a typo. Thanks for pointing to this. Will fix it.
>=20
> Regards
> Sri
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> From: Hidetoshi Yokota <yokota@kddilabs.jp>
> Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:23 AM
> To: "netext@ietf.org" <netext@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [netext] WG last call: =
draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation
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> Hi authors,
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> I think this is in good shape enough to go, but just one clarification =
question:
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> In Section 6,
> =20
>          When this variable on the MAG is set to a value of (0), the =
MAG
>          must explicitly indicate its support-capability for this
>          feature by including the LMA User Plane Address mobility =
Option
>          in the=20
> Proxy Binding Acknowledgement
> .  If the option is not
>          present in the Proxy Binding Update, the local mobility =
anchor
>          will not enable this feature for that mobility session.
>=20
>=20
> How can MAG indicate its support by PBA? Is it PBU or LMA does it by =
any chance? The same question applies in the following paragraph in the =
document.
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> Regards,
> =20
> --=20
> Hidetoshi Yokota
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> KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
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> e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp
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>=20
>=20
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> (2014/03/13 3:42), Basavaraj Patil wrote:
>> Hello,
>>=20
>> This is the working group last call for I-D: Separation of Control =
and User Plane for Proxy Mobile IPv6 =
<draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation-02.txt>.
>>=20
>> This I-D is intended to be progressed as a standards track document.=20=

>> Please review and post your comments on the mailing list.
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Hi all,

I have read the draft. I think that the draft is in a good shape and I thin=
k that we can proceed with the RFC publication process. However, I have som=
e comments, which need some attention!

Comment_1: : In Section 3, the LMA user plane address mobility option is sp=
ecified. Regarding the Length field the following is mentioned: "8-bit unsi=
gned integer indicating the length of the option in octets, excluding the t=
ype and length fields." This is okay, but why is the Length field does not =
exclude in addition to the type and length fields, also the Reserved field.=
 I think that this will make sense. You may change the description of the L=
ength field to: "8-bit unsigned integer indicating the length of the option=
 in octets, excluding the type, length and Reserved fields."

Comment_2: In Section 3, the LMA user plane address mobility option is spec=
ified. However, it is not clear what will be the format of this option when=
 the LMA user plane address is an IPv4 address.
You could solve this by adding in the description of the LMA User Plane Add=
ress field what will be the value of the Length field when either an IPv4 i=
s used or an IPv6 address is used. Note that this is partially done in Sect=
ion 4. Note also that in the provided description of the Length field in Se=
ction 4, you already assume that the length of the option in octets, is alr=
eady excluding the type, length and Reserved fields, while in Section 3, th=
e Reserved field is not excluded.

Comment_3: In Section 3, the definition of the LMA User Plane Address field=
, you probably need to include the term LMA user plane, instead of LMA. Thi=
s the description of this field can become: "Contains either the 32-bit IPv=
4 address of the LMA user plane, when the value of the Length field is set =
to 4, or the 128-bit IPV6 of the LMA user plane, when the value of the Leng=
th field is set to 16.

Comment_4: Regarding Figure 1, you might need to use different boxes for MA=
G CP and MAG-UP.

Comment_5: The IANA section might need more details, regarding what you are=
 requesting!

Comment_6: typo, in Section 6, use Proxy Binding Update instead of Proxy Bi=
nding Acknowledgement .
Please change from:
When this variable on the MAG is set to a value of (0), the MAG must explic=
itly indicate its support-capability for this feature by including the LMA =
User Plane Address mobility Option in the Proxy Binding Acknowledgement.

INTO:
When this variable on the MAG is set to a value of (0), the MAG must explic=
itly indicate its support-capability for this feature by including the LMA =
User Plane Address mobility Option in the Proxy Binding Update.

Best regards,
Georgios

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Subject: [netext] WG last call: draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation

Hello,

This is the working group last call for I-D: Separation of Control and User=
 Plane for Proxy Mobile IPv6 <draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation-02.tx=
t>.

This I-D is intended to be progressed as a standards track document.
Please review and post your comments on the mailing list.
The last call will expire on March 27th, 14.

-Chairs


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ield the following is mentioned: &#8220;8-bit unsigned integer indicating t=
he length of the option in octets, excluding
 the type and length fields.&#8221; This is okay, but why is the Length fie=
ld does not exclude in addition to the type and length fields, also the Res=
erved field. I think that this will make sense. You may change the descript=
ion of the Length field to: &#8220;8-bit unsigned
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Comment_2: In Section 3, the LM=
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an IPv4 address.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">You could solve this by adding =
in the description of the LMA User Plane Address field what will be the val=
ue of the Length field when either an IPv4 is used or an IPv6 address is us=
ed. Note that this is partially done
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ld in Section 4, you already assume that the length of the option in octets=
, is already excluding the type, length and Reserved fields, while in Secti=
on 3, the Reserved field is not
 excluded.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Comment_3: In Section 3, the de=
finition of the LMA User Plane Address field, you probably need to include =
the term LMA user plane, instead of LMA. This the description of this field=
 can become: &#8220;Contains either the 32-bit
 IPv4 address of the LMA user plane, when the value of the Length field is =
set to 4, or the 128-bit IPV6 of the LMA user plane, when the value of the =
Length field is set to 16.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Comment_4: Regarding Figure 1, =
you might need to use different boxes for MAG CP and MAG-UP.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Comment_5: The IANA section mig=
ht need more details, regarding what you are requesting!<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Comment_6: typo, in Section 6, =
use Proxy Binding Update instead of Proxy Binding Acknowledgement .<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Please change from:<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">When this variable on the MAG i=
s set to a value of (0), the MAG must explicitly indicate its support-capab=
ility for this feature by including the LMA User Plane Address mobility Opt=
ion in the Proxy Binding Acknowledgement.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">INTO:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">When this variable on the MAG i=
s set to a value of (0), the MAG must explicitly indicate its support-capab=
ility for this feature by including the LMA User Plane Address mobility Opt=
ion in the Proxy Binding Update.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Best regards,<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
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ot;sans-serif&quot;"> netext [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Basavaraj Patil<br>
<b>Sent:</b> woensdag 12 maart 2014 19:43<br>
<b>To:</b> netext@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation@tools.ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [netext] WG last call: draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separat=
ion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is the working group last call for I-D:&nbsp;<s=
pan style=3D"color:black">Separation of Control and User Plane for Proxy Mo=
bile IPv6 &lt;draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation-02.txt&gt;.</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This I-D is intended to be progressed as a standards=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The last call will expire on March 27th, 14.&nbsp;<o=
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I think the draft addresses all relevant aspects and specifies the required=
 option to
enable C/U-Plane separation on the LMA. The document is pretty concise, I'd=
 say.
A few notes below for co-authors' consideration:

"1. Introduction: Widely deployed mobility management systems for wireless
communications require isolation between the path for forwarding data
packets (the user plane) and the control plane signaling..."

[marco] How can deployed systems require this? I thing deployed systems
utilize such split to gain advantage from it, e.g. more flexible
deployment. You may change the text to motivate a C-/U-Plane split
on the LMA 'to be more flexible in the deployment and placement of Control-=
 and User-Plane
Functions' and that 'deployed systems for mobile communication utilize such
split already'.



"..require isolation between the path for forwarding data

   packets (the user plane) and the control plane signaling for mobility

   management."

[marco] 'isolation between paths' may not be clear. What about 'separation =
of IP-endpoints for PMIP signaling
and forwarding tunnel' ?


[marco] Text has no reference to Figure 1 and should be added, e.g. in the =
last paragraph of Section 1.


Section 6. Protocol Configuration Variables


[marco] Let me confirm the use of the configuration variable Domain-wide-LM=
A-UPA-Support:

If set, no explicit capability discovery is required and a MAG or LMA can
include the LMA UPA option if they want to use C/U-Plane separation, or
omit it.

If cleared, it means some components (MAGs and LMAs) may support the
feature, some others may not. So, if a MAG supports it MUST include the
option with a value of ALL_ZERO for the address field or omit the address f=
ield.

If not included, the LMA keeps record of MAGs which do not support the feat=
ure.
So, the configuration variable, if set, solely helps to reduce signaling me=
ssage
size by omitting the option. Correct?


[marco] Check some editorial nits, e.g. Sect. 2 Terms:
MAG User Plane Address (MAG-UP):

The IP address on the MAG that is supports user plane tunnels with the LMA.

--> The IP address on the MAG that supports user plane tunnels with the LMA=
.



Section 4.

The MAG when including the LMA User Plane Address mobility option

in the Proxy Binding Update has to the apply the following

considerations:

--> The MAG when including the LMA User Plane Address mobility option

in the Proxy Binding Update has to apply the following

considerations:





and..

'apply the following considerations' --> 'apply the following rules' (?)





Hope that helps.



Best regards,

marco


From: netext [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Basavaraj Patil
Sent: Mittwoch, 12. M=E4rz 2014 19:43
To: netext@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [netext] WG last call: draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation

Hello,

This is the working group last call for I-D: Separation of Control and User=
 Plane for Proxy Mobile IPv6 <draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation-02.tx=
t>.

This I-D is intended to be progressed as a standards track document.
Please review and post your comments on the mailing list.
The last call will expire on March 27th, 14.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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es all relevant aspects and specifies the required option to<br>
enable C/U-Plane separation on the LMA. The document is pretty concise, I&#=
8217;d say.<br>
A few notes below for co-authors&#8217; consideration:<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&#8220;1. Introduction:
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"=
>Widely deployed mobility management systems for wireless<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">communications require isolation between the path for forw=
arding data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">packets (the user plane) and the control plane signaling&#=
8230;&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[marco] How can deployed systems require this? I thing dep=
loyed systems<br>
utilize such split to gain advantage from it, e.g. more flexible<br>
deployment. You may change the text to motivate a C-/U-Plane split<br>
on the LMA &#8216;to be more flexible in the deployment and placement of Co=
ntrol- and User-Plane<br>
Functions&#8217; and that &#8216;deployed systems for mobile communication =
utilize such<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">split already&#8217;.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<pre>&#8220;..require isolation between the path for forwarding data<o:p></=
o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp; packets (the user plane) and the control plane signaling =
for mobility<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp; management.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[marco] &#8216;isolation =
between paths&#8217; may not be clear. What about &#8216;separation of IP-e=
ndpoints for PMIP signaling<br>
and forwarding tunnel&#8217; ? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[marco] Text has no refer=
ence to Figure 1 and should be added, e.g. in the last paragraph of Section=
 1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Section 6. </span>Protocol Configuration Va=
riables<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[marco] Let me confirm the use of the confi=
guration variable </span>Domain-wide-LMA-UPA-Support:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>If set, no explicit capability discovery is required and a MAG or LMA =
can<br>include the LMA UPA option if they want to use C/U-Plane separation,=
 or<br>omit it.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>If cleared, it means some components (MAGs and LMAs) may support the<b=
r>feature, some others may not. So, if a MAG supports it MUST include the<b=
r>option with a value of ALL_ZERO for the address field or omit the address=
 field.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>If not included, the LMA keeps record of MAGs which do not support the=
 feature.<br>So, the configuration variable, if set, solely helps to reduce=
 signaling message<br>size by omitting the option. Correct? <o:p></o:p></pr=
e>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">[marco] Check some editorial nits, e.g. Sec=
t. 2 Terms: <br></span>MAG User Plane Address (MAG-UP):<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>The IP address on the MAG that is supports user plane tunnels with the=
 LMA.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-family:Wingdings">=E0</span> The IP address on the=
 MAG that supports user plane tunnels with the LMA.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>Section 4.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>The MAG when including the LMA User Plane Address mobility option<o:p>=
</o:p></pre>
<pre>in the Proxy Binding Update has to the apply the following<o:p></o:p><=
/pre>
<pre>considerations:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-family:Wingdings">=E0</span> The MAG when includin=
g the LMA User Plane Address mobility option<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>in the Proxy Binding Update has to apply the following<o:p></o:p></pre=
>
<pre>considerations:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>and..<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&#8216;apply the following considerations&#8217; <span style=3D"font-f=
amily:Wingdings">=E0</span> &#8216;apply the following rules&#8217; (?)<o:p=
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<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>Hope that helps.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>marco<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Basavaraj Patil<br>
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<b>To:</b> netext@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation@tools.ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [netext] WG last call: draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separat=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Network-Based Mobility Extensions Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Quality of Service Option for Proxy Mobile IPv6
        Authors         : Marco Liebsch
                          Pierrick Seite
                          Hidetoshi Yokota
                          Jouni Korhonen
                          Sri Gundavelli
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netext-pmip6-qos-12.txt
	Pages           : 68
	Date            : 2014-03-28

Abstract:
   This specification defines a new mobility option, the Quality of
   Service (QoS) option, for Proxy Mobile IPv6.  This option can be used
   by the local mobility anchor and the mobile access gateway for
   negotiating Quality of Service parameters for a mobile node's IP
   flows.  The negotiated QoS parameters can be used for QoS policing
   and marking of packets to enforce QoS differentiation on the path
   between the local mobility anchor and the mobile access gateway.
   Furthermore, making QoS parameters available on the mobile access
   gateway enables mapping of these parameters to QoS rules that are
   specific to the access technology and allows those rules to be
   enforced on the access network using access technology specific
   approaches.


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Hi Marco

Thanks for your review and the comments.

On 2014/03/28, at =E5=8D=88=E5=89=8D6:42, Marco Liebsch =
<Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu> wrote:

> I think the draft addresses all relevant aspects and specifies the =
required option to
> enable C/U-Plane separation on the LMA. The document is pretty =
concise, I=E2=80=99d say.
> A few notes below for co-authors=E2=80=99 consideration:
> =20
> =E2=80=9C1. Introduction: Widely deployed mobility management systems =
for wireless
> communications require isolation between the path for forwarding data
> packets (the user plane) and the control plane signaling=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D=

> =20
> [marco] How can deployed systems require this? I thing deployed =
systems
> utilize such split to gain advantage from it, e.g. more flexible
> deployment. You may change the text to motivate a C-/U-Plane split
> on the LMA =E2=80=98to be more flexible in the deployment and =
placement of Control- and User-Plane
> Functions=E2=80=99 and that =E2=80=98deployed systems for mobile =
communication utilize such
> split already=E2=80=99.
> =20
> =20
> =E2=80=9C..require isolation between the path for forwarding data
>    packets (the user plane) and the control plane signaling for =
mobility
>    management.=E2=80=9D
> =20
> [marco] =E2=80=98isolation between paths=E2=80=99 may not be clear. =
What about =E2=80=98separation of IP-endpoints for PMIP signaling
> and forwarding tunnel=E2=80=99 ?

How about this?

Widely deployed mobility management systems for wireless
communications require separation of IP end points for fowarding data
packets (the user plane) and the mobility signaling (the control
plane). This separation brings more flexible deployment and
management of LMA and MAG(s) of Proxy Mobile IP.

>=20
> [marco] Text has no reference to Figure 1 and should be added, e.g. in =
the last paragraph of Section 1.

we will add reference.
> =20
> Section 6. Protocol Configuration Variables
> =20
> [marco] Let me confirm the use of the configuration variable =
Domain-wide-LMA-UPA-Support:
> If set, no explicit capability discovery is required and a MAG or LMA =
can
> include the LMA UPA option if they want to use C/U-Plane separation, =
or
> omit it.
> If cleared, it means some components (MAGs and LMAs) may support the
> feature, some others may not. So, if a MAG supports it MUST include =
the
> option with a value of ALL_ZERO for the address field or omit the =
address field.
> If not included, the LMA keeps record of MAGs which do not support the =
feature.
> So, the configuration variable, if set, solely helps to reduce =
signaling message
> size by omitting the option. Correct?=20

Yes, since PMIP is run in the managed domain, the operator should use =
this parameter as you explained above.=20

>  [marco] Check some editorial nits, e.g. Sect. 2 Terms:=20
> MAG User Plane Address (MAG-UP):
> The IP address on the MAG that is supports user plane tunnels with the =
LMA.
> =C3=A0 The IP address on the MAG that supports user plane tunnels with =
the LMA.
> =20
> Section 4.
> The MAG when including the LMA User Plane Address mobility option
> in the Proxy Binding Update has to the apply the following
> considerations:
> =C3=A0 The MAG when including the LMA User Plane Address mobility =
option
> in the Proxy Binding Update has to apply the following
> considerations:
> =20
> =20
> and..
> =E2=80=98apply the following considerations=E2=80=99 =C3=A0 =E2=80=98app=
ly the following rules=E2=80=99 (?)

Thanks for finding these errors!  really help!

regards,
ryuji

> =20
> =20
> Hope that helps.
> =20
> Best regards,
> marco
> =20
> =20
> From: netext [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Basavaraj =
Patil
> Sent: Mittwoch, 12. M=C3=A4rz 2014 19:43
> To: netext@ietf.org
> Cc: draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation@tools.ietf.org
> Subject: [netext] WG last call: =
draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation
> =20
> Hello,
> =20
> This is the working group last call for I-D: Separation of Control and =
User Plane for Proxy Mobile IPv6 =
<draft-ietf-netext-pmip-cp-up-separation-02.txt>.
> =20
> This I-D is intended to be progressed as a standards track document.=20=

> Please review and post your comments on the mailing list.
> The last call will expire on March 27th, 14.=20
> =20
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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Quality of Service Option for Proxy Mobile IPv6'
  (draft-ietf-netext-pmip6-qos-12.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Network-Based Mobility Extensions
Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Brian Haberman and Ted Lemon.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netext-pmip6-qos/




Technical Summary:

This specification defines a new mobility option, the Quality of
Service (QoS) option, for Proxy Mobile IPv6. This option can be used
by the local mobility anchor and the mobile access gateway for
negotiating Quality of Service parameters for a mobile node's IP
flows. The negotiated QoS parameters can be used for QoS policing
and marking of packets to enforce QoS differentiation on the path
between the local mobility anchor and the mobile access gateway.
Furthermore, making QoS parameters available on the mobile access
gateway enables mapping of these parameters to QoS rules that are
specific to the access technology and allows those rules to be
enforced on the access network using access technology specific
approaches.

Working Group Summary:

The WG supports this I-D as it is relevant in the context of the
protocols applicability within 3GPP standards. There is strong support
to standardize this work. It has been reviewed multiple times by
several experts.

Document Quality:

There is at least one known implementation of the protocol. There is
good support for the specification and an interest in utilizing the
protocol as a feature by various vendors.
All reviewers of the I-D have been acknowledged in the document.

Personnel:

Document Shepherd: Basavaraj Patil
Responsible AD: Brian Haberman


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Network-Based Mobility Extensions Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : EAP Attributes for WiFi - EPC Integration
        Authors         : Ravi Valmikam
                          Rajeev Koodli
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netext-wifi-epc-eap-attributes-07.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2014-03-31

Abstract:
   With WiFi beginning to establishing itself as a trusted access
   network for service providers, it has become important to provide
   functions commonly available in 3G and 4G networks in WiFi access
   networks.  Such functions include Access Point Name (APN) Selection,
   multiple Packet Data Network (PDN) connections and seamless mobility
   between WiFi and 3G/4G networks.

   EAP/AKA (and EAP/AKA') is standardized by 3GPP as the access
   authentication protocol for trusted access networks.  This IETF
   specification is required for mobile devices to access the 3GPP
   Evolved Packet Core (EPC) networks.  This document defines a few new
   EAP attributes and procedures to provide the above-mentioned
   functions in trusted WiFi access networks.


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