From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Fri Jul 1 06:44:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049501F0C45 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 06:44:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fOm0mslELh6s for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 06:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E8F1F0C43 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 06:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367AC20C03; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 15:44:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rqNvEOaZSINR; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 15:44:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598DF20C00; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 15:44:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 34D4C197DC28; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 15:44:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 15:44:06 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Martin Bjorklund Message-ID: <20110701134405.GA12162@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Martin Bjorklund , spakes@snmp.com, netmod@ietf.org References: <20110607190939.GA29248@elstar.local> <20110610.094016.434708808347298122.mbj@tail-f.com> <20110618135404.GA46751@elstar.local> <20110619.224133.427008247.mbj@tail-f.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110619.224133.427008247.mbj@tail-f.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] smi2yang-08: inline vs. outside smiv2:oid mapping [open] X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 13:44:10 -0000 On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:41:33PM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > Martin, > > > > is this a proper writeup of your proposal? > > Yes. I propose we adopt this solution. I have implemented it as part smidump (you have to fetch the latest SVN revision). /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Jul 1 07:03:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866C521F86E5; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:03:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.011, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3S3v3SOgoxZ4; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AA321F8660; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:01:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.55 Message-ID: <20110701140130.336.4467.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 07:01:30 -0700 Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:03:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the NETCONF Data Modeling Language Workin= g Group of the IETF. Title : Translation of SMIv2 MIB Modules to YANG Modules Author(s) : Juergen Schoenwaelder Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2011-07-01 YANG is a data modeling language used to model configuration and state data manipulated by the NETCONF protocol, NETCONF remote procedure calls, and NETCONF notifications. The Structure of Management Information (SMIv2) defines fundamental data types, an object model, and the rules for writing and revising MIB modules for use with the SNMP protocol. This document defines a translation of SMIv2 MIB modules into YANG modules, enabling read-only access to data objects defined in SMIv2 MIB modules via NETCONF. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01.txt From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Fri Jul 1 07:10:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BDD11E8134 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:10:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jifkm6G2MlVQ for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6655F11E8123 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34B720C06; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:10:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XKiflZloOWVq; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:10:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD08320C03; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:10:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 76FAC197DE9A; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:10:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:10:30 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: David Kessens , netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110701141030.GA12832@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: David Kessens , netmod@ietf.org References: <20110701140130.336.4467.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110701140130.336.4467.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:10:34 -0000 On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 07:01:30AM -0700, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the NETCONF Data Modeling Language Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Translation of SMIv2 MIB Modules to YANG Modules > Author(s) : Juergen Schoenwaelder > Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01.txt > Pages : 32 > Date : 2011-07-01 > > YANG is a data modeling language used to model configuration and > state data manipulated by the NETCONF protocol, NETCONF remote > procedure calls, and NETCONF notifications. The Structure of > Management Information (SMIv2) defines fundamental data types, an > object model, and the rules for writing and revising MIB modules for > use with the SNMP protocol. This document defines a translation of > SMIv2 MIB modules into YANG modules, enabling read-only access to > data objects defined in SMIv2 MIB modules via NETCONF. > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01.txt I believe this version closes all open issues. David, please take a look and take a decision whether this is up for WG last call. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Tue Jul 5 01:41:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CCB21F8780 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 01:41:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -93 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-93 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-10.249, BAYES_99=3.5, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_26=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_27=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_39=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_46=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_48=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_54=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_55=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_56=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_57=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_62=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_63=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_64=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_65=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_66=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_75=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_82=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_83=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v-v5tS+pR+0x for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 01:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0532521F8781 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 01:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A7420C16 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:41:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Sh38KDiEBcI; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:41:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A31020C11; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:41:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 79588198A133; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:41:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:41:38 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110705084138.GB10302@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: netmod@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [netmod] [dromasca@avaya.com: Fwd: FW: Nomcom 2011-2012: Third Call for Volunteers] X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 08:41:46 -0000 Hi, one more "nomcom service is important" email... /js ----- Forwarded message from "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" ----- Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 00:53:21 +0300 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: ops-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Fwd: FW: Nomcom 2011-2012: Third Call for Volunteers Message-ID: <152f01cc3a94$d52e86e8$0a8c4087@global.avaya.com> Sent from orange email services Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 21:29:01 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: ops-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: FW: Nomcom 2011-2012: Third Call for Volunteers Message-ID: Hi, Please forward this mail from the Nomcom chair to your WG mail lists. Please remind everybody that participation in Nomcom is of great importance for the IETF and contributes to the selection of the future leadership and improvement of the IETF processes. Thanks and Regards, Dan -----Original Message----- From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of NomCom Chair Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 6:47 PM To: IETF Announcement list Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Nomcom 2011-2012: Third Call for Volunteers This is the Third call for Volunteers for the 2011-12 Nomcom. We are almost through the volunteer period so if you are considering volunteering, please do so very soon. We have had a very good response to the initial call for volunteers and I am pleased to report that we have 84 volunteers thus far whose qualifications have been confirmed by the secretariat. I have notified each of these volunteers by email. However, we would like to have many more volunteers. The more volunteers, the better chance we have of choosing a random yet representative cross section of the IETF population. You have until 11:59 pm EDT July 10, 2011 to volunteer for Nomcom but it would be much better if you can volunteer as early as possible. If you volunteered before 09:00 EDT on June 29 to serve as a voting member and have not received a confirmation email from me, please re-submit and bring to my attention right away! Details about the process for volunteering for the Nomcom and the list of open positions for which the nominating committee is responsible are summarized in the initial announcement: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ann/nomcom/2938/ The 84 volunteers who have thus far been qualified by the secretariat are: Alia Atlas,Juniper Networks Lixia Zhang,UCLA Wassim Haddad ,Ericsson Glen Zorn,Network Zen Richard Barnes,BBN Technologies Stephen Kent,BBN Technologies Scott Mansfield,Ericsson Tina TSOU (Ting ZOU),FutureWei Technologies Fernando Gont,UTN/FRH Karen Seo,BBN Technologies Jie Dong,Huawei Technologies Mach Chen,Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. Sheng Jiang,Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. Dimitri Papadimitriou,Alcatel-Lucent Thomas D. Nadeau,CA Technologies David Meyer,Cisco Systems/University of Oregon Wesley George,Time Warner Cable Cullen Jennings,Cisco Stephen Hanna,Juniper Networks Stephan Wenger,Bidyo Inc. Keyur Patel,Cisco Systems Michael (Mike) Hamilton,BreakingPoint Systems Behcet Sarikaya,Huawei USA Mark Townsley,Cisco Systems Fred Baker,Cisco Systems Brian Trammell,ETH Zrich Sam Hartman,Painless Security Chris Griffiths,Comcast George Michaelson,APNIC Jiankang Yao,CNNIC Sohel Khan,Comcast Dacheng Zhang,Huawei Lianshu Zheng,Huawei Technologies Hui Deng,China Mobile Gang Chen,China Mobile Mirja Khlewind,University of Stuttgart IKR John E Drake,Juniper Networks Matt Lepinski,BBN Technologies Subir Das,Telcordia Technologies Inc Yi Zhao,Huawei John Scudder,Juniper Networks Christer Holmberg,LM Ericsson Teemu Savolainen,Nokia Samita Chakrabarti,Ericsson Jaap Akkerhuis,NLnet labs Jason Weil,Time Warner Cable Randy Bush,Internet Initiative Japan Christian Schmidt,Nokia Siemens Networks Sean Shen,CNNIC Lou Berger,LabN Consulting L.L.C. Donald Eastlake,Huawei Xiaohu Xu,Huawei Technologies co. Ltd. Brje Ohlman,Ericsson Deborah Brungard,AT&T Magnus Westerlund,Ericsson Zhen Cao,China Mobile Hadriel Kaplan,Acme Packet Lilla Dovner,Ericsson John Jason Brzozowski,Comcast Jonne Soininen,Renesas Mobile Javier Ubillos,Swedish Institute of Computer Science Eric Gray,Ericsson Thomas Herbst,Silver Spring Networks Ning Zong,Huawei Technologies Haibin Song,Huawei Technologies Yingjie Gu,Huawei Technologies Hongyu Li,Huawei Technologies Terry Manderson,ICANN Ari Keranen,Ericsson Jouni Korhonen,Nokia Siemens Networks Bhumip Khasnabish,ZTE USA Inc. Dapeng Liu,China Mobile Fangwei Hu,ZTE Corporation Ole Troan,Cisco Pascal Thubert,Cisco Wojciech Dec,Cisco Gunter Van de Velde,Cisco Ning So,Verizon Inc./University of Texas at Dallas Guoman liu,ZTE Simon Pietro Romano,Meetecho/University of Napoli Luca Martini,Cisco Bill VerSteeg,Cisco Toerless Eckert,Cisco Systems Joseph Salowey,Cisco Systems The primary activity for this nomcom will begin during IETF-81 in Quebec City and should be completed by January 2012. The nomcom will be collecting requirements from the community, as well as talking to candidates and to community members about candidates. There will be regularly scheduled conference calls to ensure progress. Thus, being a nomcom member does require some time commitment. Please volunteer by sending an email to me before 11:59 pm EDT July 10, 2011 as follows: To: suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com Subject: Nomcom 2011-12 Volunteer Please include the following information in the body of the mail: Full Name: // As you enter in the IETF Registration Form, // First/Given name followed by Last/Family Name Current Primary Affiliation: // typically what goes in the Company // field in the IETF Registration Form Email Address(es): // all email addresses used to Register for the // past 5 IETF meetings // Please designate a Preferred email address for // contact if there is more than one email address Telephone number: // With country code (for confirmation if selected) Please expect an email response from me within 3 business days stating whether or not you are qualified. If you do not receive a response in this timeframe, please re-send your email with the tag "RESEND:" added to the subject line. If you are not yet sure you would like to volunteer, please consider that Nomcom members play a very important role in shaping the leadership of the IETF. Ensuring the leadership of the IETF is fair and balanced and comprised of those who can lead the IETF in the right direction is an important responsibility that rests on the IETF participants at large. Volunteering for the Nomcom is a good way of contributing in that direction. I will be publishing a more detailed target timetable, as well as details of the randomness seeds to be used for the RFC 3797 selection process very soon. Thank you in advance for your participation. Suresh Krishnan Nomcom Chair 2011-2012 Email: nomcom-chair@ietf.org, suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From mbj@tail-f.com Fri Jul 8 14:40:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1383421F8C0D for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:40:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1alP791SrWAs for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (de-0316.d.ipeer.se [213.180.79.212]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8163C21F8C0C for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (213-65-184-200-no181.tbcn.telia.com [213.65.184.200]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5607576C063 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 23:40:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:40:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20110708.234002.284183887.mbj@tail-f.com> To: netmod@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3.50 on Emacs 23.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [netmod] New Version Notification for draft-bjorklund-netmod-snmp-cfg-01.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:40:13 -0000 Hi, We have posted a new version of the snmp-cfg draft. Now with descriptive text! And examples! /martin & juergen A new version of I-D, draft-bjorklund-netmod-snmp-cfg-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Martin Bjorklund and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-bjorklund-netmod-snmp-cfg Revision: 01 Title: A YANG Data Model for SNMP Configuration Creation date: 2011-07-08 WG ID: Individual Submission Number of pages: 58 Abstract: This document defines a collection of YANG definitions for configuring SNMP engines. From david.kessens@nsn.com Thu Jul 14 09:45:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F9321F8B53 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:45:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9wudy7YcMyP6 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B4411E807F for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6EGj93r009968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:45:12 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([10.138.49.27]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6EGj8sO007829 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:45:09 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (X1 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6EGj7Mx028302 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:45:08 -0700 Received: (from david@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p6EGj7MW028300 for netmod@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:45:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: david set sender to david.kessens@nsn.com using -f Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:45:07 -0700 From: David Kessens To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110714164507.GG30209@nsn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [netmod] Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01 (20110704) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:45:20 -0000 I would hereby like to issue a Last Call for: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01 The draft has stabilized enough that it is getting time to go to the next stage and in order to do so, we need to determine whether it is ready to be submitted to the IESG with a requested status of Proposed Standard. I would like to see at least three supporting statements by July 4, 2011 by people who reviewed the document and feel it is ready for publication. Obviously, it would be far preferred if we get more reviews, and especially reviews before our next scheduled meeting in Quebec which would allow us to hash out any potential issues during the meeting. David Kessens PS My co-chair, Juergen Schoenwaelder, is the author of this document and I will therefore handle this document. --- From ietf@andybierman.com Thu Jul 14 09:59:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6848221F8D2D for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:59:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rZOd8u9Dy4e7 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omr14.networksolutionsemail.com (omr14.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.64]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A47E21F8C0D for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cm-omr11 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr14.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p6EGxOWF022500 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:59:24 -0400 Authentication-Results: cm-omr11 smtp.user=andy@andybierman.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authenticated-UID: andy@andybierman.com Received: from [75.84.164.152] ([75.84.164.152:58151] helo=[192.168.0.22]) by cm-omr11 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id D5/AC-02682-B602F1E4; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:59:24 -0400 Message-ID: <4E1F206F.80407@andybierman.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:59:27 -0700 From: Andy Bierman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kessens References: <20110714164507.GG30209@nsn.com> In-Reply-To: <20110714164507.GG30209@nsn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01 (20110704) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:59:26 -0000 On 07/14/2011 09:45 AM, David Kessens wrote: > > I would hereby like to issue a Last Call for: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01 > You mean August 4th I think. There are already companies using yangcli to manage smidump-converted modules, running in confd. We really need to freeze the spec soon. (You can consider this a supporting statement.) Andy > The draft has stabilized enough that it is getting time to go to the next > stage and in order to do so, we need to determine whether it is ready to be > submitted to the IESG with a requested status of Proposed Standard. > > I would like to see at least three supporting statements by July 4, 2011 by > people who reviewed the document and feel it is ready for publication. > Obviously, it would be far preferred if we get more reviews, and especially > reviews before our next scheduled meeting in Quebec which would allow us to > hash out any potential issues during the meeting. > > David Kessens > PS My co-chair, Juergen Schoenwaelder, is the author of this document and > I will therefore handle this document. > --- > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > From david.kessens@nsn.com Thu Jul 14 10:09:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AF321F8D67 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nZ8AS11zguSz for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBEE21F8D66 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6EH9M5j008437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:09:22 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([10.138.49.27]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6EH9LNA024178 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:09:21 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (X1 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6EH9Kip028593 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:09:20 -0700 Received: (from david@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p6EH9JY9028591 for netmod@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:09:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: david set sender to david.kessens@nsn.com using -f Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:09:19 -0700 From: David Kessens To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110714170919.GH30209@nsn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [netmod] Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01 (20110804) - Corrected End Date X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:09:31 -0000 [ Corrected End Date ] I would hereby like to issue a Last Call for: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01 The draft has stabilized enough that it is getting time to go to the next stage and in order to do so, we need to determine whether it is ready to be submitted to the IESG with a requested status of Proposed Standard. I would like to see at least three supporting statements by August 4, 2011 by people who reviewed the document and feel it is ready for publication. Obviously, it would be far preferred if we get more reviews, and especially reviews before our next scheduled meeting in Quebec which would allow us to hash out any potential issues during the meeting. David Kessens PS My co-chair, Juergen Schoenwaelder, is the author of this document and I will therefore handle this document. --- _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ----- End forwarded message ----- From david.kessens@nsn.com Thu Jul 14 12:29:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FF721F8C38 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:29:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oij8A4Bm8Zav for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB5A21F8C11 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6EJTUYG025993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:29:30 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([10.138.49.27]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6EJTTN4005584; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:29:30 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (X1 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6EJTSpj029607; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:29:28 -0700 Received: (from david@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p6EJTRcH029605; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:29:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: david set sender to david.kessens@nsn.com using -f Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:29:27 -0700 From: David Kessens To: Andy Bierman Message-ID: <20110714192927.GI30209@nsn.com> References: <20110714164507.GG30209@nsn.com> <4E1F206F.80407@andybierman.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E1F206F.80407@andybierman.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01 (20110704) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:29:34 -0000 Andy, On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 09:59:27AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > You mean August 4th I think. Fixed. > There are already companies using yangcli to manage smidump-converted > modules, running in confd. We really need to freeze the spec soon. > (You can consider this a supporting statement.) Can you indicate whether you read and reviewed the current version of the draft ? We need to make sure that the latest version received enough review before sending it on to the IESG. David Kessens --- From ietf@andybierman.com Thu Jul 14 12:39:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D07721F88A1 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:39:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OwonRDV1yZtG for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omr13.networksolutionsemail.com (omr13.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.63]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1830D21F87C5 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cm-omr12 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr13.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p6EJdSYU030504 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:39:29 -0400 Authentication-Results: cm-omr12 smtp.user=andy@andybierman.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authenticated-UID: andy@andybierman.com Received: from [75.84.164.152] ([75.84.164.152:37362] helo=[192.168.0.22]) by cm-omr12 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id 43/49-03951-0F54F1E4; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: <4E1F45F2.1050906@andybierman.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:39:30 -0700 From: Andy Bierman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kessens References: <20110714164507.GG30209@nsn.com> <4E1F206F.80407@andybierman.com> <20110714192927.GI30209@nsn.com> In-Reply-To: <20110714192927.GI30209@nsn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01 (20110704) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:39:31 -0000 On 07/14/2011 12:29 PM, David Kessens wrote: > > Andy, > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 09:59:27AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: >> >> You mean August 4th I think. > > Fixed. > >> There are already companies using yangcli to manage smidump-converted >> modules, running in confd. We really need to freeze the spec soon. >> (You can consider this a supporting statement.) > > Can you indicate whether you read and reviewed the current version of the > draft ? We need to make sure that the latest version received enough > review before sending it on to the IESG. oh -- I was hoping to avoid the latest details, but since you asked, I will read the latest draft. I have confidence in the author and other WG members that they will work out the issues on extension statements, etc. I am happy enough with the data naming and other important details. I think the read-only stance will run into problems in real implementations for spot leafs here and there, maybe whole modules. I think (despite all the warnings) some people will edit the YANG generated from the standard algorithm. > > David Kessens > --- > > Andy From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Thu Jul 14 12:55:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB8D11E8087 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:55:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.662 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.662 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.587, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QjfrQQUe6oXB for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A85211E8079 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3C120C01; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:55:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GVBadjyOESVH; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:55:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3E420BF9; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:55:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id C1BB11A08647; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:55:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:55:10 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110714195510.GA54539@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: netmod@ietf.org, David Kessens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [netmod] draft quebec meeting agenda posted X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:55:17 -0000 Hi, a draft of the NETMOD WG meeting agenda (Tuesday July 26, 1300-1500) has been posted: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/agenda/netmod.txt Let the chairs know if you think something is missing or should be changed. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Sat Jul 16 06:54:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A71121F85BB for ; 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Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:54:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1C820BCD; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:54:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 0ADC01A0B0DC; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:54:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:54:42 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110716135442.GA60088@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: netmod@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [netmod] IETF 81 Audio Streaming X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:54:47 -0000 Hi, remote participants of the Quebec IETF meeting may want to take note of this. /js From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nick Kukich Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 12:53 AM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: IETF 81 Audio Streaming Greetings! We're two weeks out from the beginning of meeting streaming. For those interested in monitoring sessions or participating remotely the following information may prove useful. - -Audio Streaming- All 8 parallel tracks at the IETF 81 meeting will be broadcast starting with the commencement of working group sessions on Monday, July 25, 2011 at 0900 EDT (GMT-4) and continue until Friday, July 29 at 1515 EDT. Because we have been asked several times in the past, note that if you wish to use the rooms that are being recorded for impromptu meeting during unscheduled sessions or lunch breaks that you can invite remote participants to tune in to the appropriate stream. Recording cannot be guaranteed for unscheduled sessions. Conversely, it should never be assumed that recording or observation is not occurring on open microphones, they are after all connected to the Internet. The links for streaming sources and the schedule are best retrieved from the IETF tools agenda, which as per Standard operating procedure will be located here: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/81/ - -Jabber/XMPP- For information on IETF Jabber participation see: http://www.ietf.org/jabber/index.html or click on the Jabber links in the tools team agenda once you have a properly configured jabber/xmpp messaging client. - -Webex- Webex screen sharing participation is possible for a limited number of sessions. Consult with your working-group chair or the secretariat for more information. - -Ticketing- For prompt access to the meeting trouble desk, the email address is: mtd@ietf.org For streaming related issues please send email to ietf-streaming@verilan.com with info including the current time and affected streaming channel. Regards, Nick Kukich Network Engineer Verilan Event Services, Inc. 503.710.5115 From lhotka@cesnet.cz Thu Jul 21 01:11:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B6121F889F for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 01:11:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eog8Ipi4r035 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 01:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CC021F84EC for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 01:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stardust-w.lhotkovi.cz (unknown [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:7:5ab0:35ff:fe73:8f1d]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3924D2CDE1E9 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:11:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Ladislav Lhotka Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-68718926; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:11:24 +0200 Message-Id: <9ECB932E-8216-43A1-8EA4-FAB3CF7EF520@cesnet.cz> To: NETMOD Working Group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [netmod] LL review of interfaces-cfg-01 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 08:11:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail-11-68718926 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I think the module is well designed and has the potential to fulfill the = stated objectives. Comments: 1. My main concern is the (lack of) extensibility of the "type" leaf. = Even if=20 iana-if-type covered all interface types that are currently in use, = adding a new (e.g. experimental) interface type is not easily possible. I'd = therefore=20 recommend to change the type to an identity. 2. The term "object" is used in several places of the text, e.g. in = Section 3.3: "It is expected that interface type specific models define their own = objects for=20 interface layering, ... ". YANG doesn't use this term, so I suggest = to either change it or provide a definition. 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tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b4rACON4e2ds for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 01:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (de-2007.d.ipeer.se [213.180.74.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A5D21F8BA0 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 01:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (213-65-184-200-no181.tbcn.telia.com [213.65.184.200]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 32A7C1200AD8; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:52:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:53:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20110721.105358.293705710.mbj@tail-f.com> To: lhotka@cesnet.cz From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <9ECB932E-8216-43A1-8EA4-FAB3CF7EF520@cesnet.cz> References: <9ECB932E-8216-43A1-8EA4-FAB3CF7EF520@cesnet.cz> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3.50 on Emacs 23.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of interfaces-cfg-01 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 08:54:04 -0000 Hi, Thank you for your review! Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > 1. My main concern is the (lack of) extensibility of the "type" leaf. Even if > iana-if-type covered all interface types that are currently in use, adding > a new (e.g. experimental) interface type is not easily possible. I'd > therefore > recommend to change the type to an identity. Well, I agree with you. But the WG decided it was more important to align with the current interface type enumeration maintained by IANA, than to have this extensibility. > 2. The term "object" is used in several places of the text, e.g. in Section > 3.3: > "It is expected that interface type specific models define their own > objects for > interface layering, ... ". YANG doesn't use this term, so I suggest to > either > change it or provide a definition. Ok, I will change this to 'nodes'. /martin From lhotka@cesnet.cz Thu Jul 21 01:59:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2D221F8B7A for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 01:59:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hXDL376c+fB2 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 01:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7279421F8B80 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 01:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stardust-w.lhotkovi.cz (unknown [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:7:5ab0:35ff:fe73:8f1d]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F06972CDE1F5 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:59:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Ladislav Lhotka Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-71621460; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:59:46 +0200 Message-Id: <6E1D9270-A9A0-4E6E-A3D0-BC7595058BDA@cesnet.cz> To: NETMOD Working Group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 08:59:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail-12-71621460 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This module contains only a very basic configuration of IP interfaces - IPv4 and IPv6 addresses and masks. It think this scope is appropriate because it is important to publish this module soon. The data are organized in two separate containers, one for IPv4 and another for IPv6. This is IMO better than the alternatives, e.g. using the union type list ip-address { key "ip"; leaf ip { type inet:ip-address; } } because in the latter case it is difficult to discriminate between IPv4 and IPv6 addresses without parsing them. The chosen organization won't be particularly handy in situations where a reference to a configured IP address is needed, no matter whether it is IPv4 or IPv6. An explicit 'choice' would be necessary in this case - a single 'leafref' type cannot be used because its 'path' cannot point to the two different locations. Other comments: 1. The leaf name "prefix-length" is misleading, I suggest to change it to "netmask-length". 2. Typo "familiy" appears in two places. 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tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id odW6Txl3GILW for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB13721F8B92 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stardust-w.lhotkovi.cz (unknown [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:7:5ab0:35ff:fe73:8f1d]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CE0192CDE1D0; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:06:45 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-13-72040402; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <20110721.105358.293705710.mbj@tail-f.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:06:45 +0200 Message-Id: <851A9289-839E-4C9B-A460-A9D8333186DF@cesnet.cz> References: <9ECB932E-8216-43A1-8EA4-FAB3CF7EF520@cesnet.cz> <20110721.105358.293705710.mbj@tail-f.com> To: Martin Bjorklund X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of interfaces-cfg-01 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:06:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail-13-72040402 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Thank you for your review! >=20 >=20 > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> 1. My main concern is the (lack of) extensibility of the "type" leaf. = Even if=20 >> iana-if-type covered all interface types that are currently in use, = adding >> a new (e.g. experimental) interface type is not easily possible. = I'd >> therefore >> recommend to change the type to an identity. >=20 > Well, I agree with you. But the WG decided it was more important to > align with the current interface type enumeration maintained by IANA, > than to have this extensibility. Why can't it be an identity instead of an enumeration (with the same = contents)? Other modules modules can then either use an IANA-registered type or = simply define a new one. Lada >=20 >> 2. The term "object" is used in several places of the text, e.g. in = Section >> 3.3: >> "It is expected that interface type specific models define their = own >> objects for >> interface layering, ... ". YANG doesn't use this term, so I suggest = to >> either >> change it or provide a definition. >=20 > Ok, I will change this to 'nodes'. >=20 >=20 > /martin -- Ladislav Lhotka, CESNET PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C --Apple-Mail-13-72040402 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIISXzCCBGYw ggNOoAMCAQICEFEmCpMc4n+cw6VfeeByroIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgZMxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVT MQswCQYDVQQIEwJVVDEXMBUGA1UEBxMOU2FsdCBMYWtlIENpdHkxHjAcBgNVBAoTFVRoZSBVU0VS VFJVU1QgTmV0d29yazEhMB8GA1UECxMYaHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2VydHJ1c3QuY29tMRswGQYDVQQD ExJVVE4gLSBEQVRBQ29ycCBTR0MwHhcNMDUwNjA3MDgwOTEwWhcNMTkwNjI0MTkwNjMwWjBvMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJTRTEUMBIGA1UEChMLQWRkVHJ1c3QgQUIxJjAkBgNVBAsTHUFkZFRydXN0IEV4dGVy bmFsIFRUUCBOZXR3b3JrMSIwIAYDVQQDExlBZGRUcnVzdCBFeHRlcm5hbCBDQSBSb290MIIBIjAN BgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAt/caM+byAAQtOeBOW+0fvGwPzbX6I7bO3psRM5ek 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(demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RfGHmsHZRILk; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:09:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A0F20BF1; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:09:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 712771A11ABF; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:09:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:09:08 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Martin Bjorklund Message-ID: <20110721090908.GB88016@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Martin Bjorklund , lhotka@cesnet.cz, netmod@ietf.org References: <9ECB932E-8216-43A1-8EA4-FAB3CF7EF520@cesnet.cz> <20110721.105358.293705710.mbj@tail-f.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110721.105358.293705710.mbj@tail-f.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of interfaces-cfg-01 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:09:18 -0000 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:53:58AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > 1. My main concern is the (lack of) extensibility of the "type" leaf. Even if > > iana-if-type covered all interface types that are currently in use, adding > > a new (e.g. experimental) interface type is not easily possible. I'd > > therefore > > recommend to change the type to an identity. > > Well, I agree with you. But the WG decided it was more important to > align with the current interface type enumeration maintained by IANA, > than to have this extensibility. We have bad experience with several type numbers allocated for what essentially is an ethernet interface. If we make this an identity, we kind of encourage vendors to be too creative. The IANA allocation procedure is not that hard to execute (at the moment it is essentially Dan reviewing the request). /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Thu Jul 21 02:14:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C05921F8B7A for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:14:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.854 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.854 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.395, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jK-Qe2B7RjDb for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC1521F8BA9 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD5C209D7; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:14:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QV6xqYcho49F; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:14:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9155720BE1; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:14:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 79B161A11B53; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:14:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:14:14 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Ladislav Lhotka Message-ID: <20110721091414.GC88016@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Ladislav Lhotka , NETMOD Working Group References: <6E1D9270-A9A0-4E6E-A3D0-BC7595058BDA@cesnet.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6E1D9270-A9A0-4E6E-A3D0-BC7595058BDA@cesnet.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:14:22 -0000 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:59:46AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > 1. The leaf name "prefix-length" is misleading, I suggest to change it > to "netmask-length". I fail to see why "prefix-length" would be misleading. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From lhotka@cesnet.cz Thu Jul 21 02:27:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8723B21F8B99 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:27:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y7HI5JM-+psX for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AF321F8B78 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stardust-w.lhotkovi.cz (unknown [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:7:5ab0:35ff:fe73:8f1d]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6BA252CDE1FC; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:27:38 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-14-73292858; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <20110721090908.GB88016@elstar.local> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:27:38 +0200 Message-Id: <95BACE37-8F62-420C-8380-C08DD2D3542C@cesnet.cz> References: <9ECB932E-8216-43A1-8EA4-FAB3CF7EF520@cesnet.cz> <20110721.105358.293705710.mbj@tail-f.com> <20110721090908.GB88016@elstar.local> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of interfaces-cfg-01 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:27:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail-14-73292858 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:53:58AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >=20 >> Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >>> 1. My main concern is the (lack of) extensibility of the "type" = leaf. Even if=20 >>> iana-if-type covered all interface types that are currently in = use, adding >>> a new (e.g. experimental) interface type is not easily possible. = I'd >>> therefore >>> recommend to change the type to an identity. >>=20 >> Well, I agree with you. But the WG decided it was more important to >> align with the current interface type enumeration maintained by IANA, >> than to have this extensibility. >=20 > We have bad experience with several type numbers allocated for what > essentially is an ethernet interface. If we make this an identity, we > kind of encourage vendors to be too creative. The IANA allocation If there is demand, vendors will find workarounds that might be even = worse. The pros and cons here are quite similar to those of deviations. > procedure is not that hard to execute (at the moment it is essentially > Dan reviewing the request). But what about the YANG module "iana-if-type"? A new revision is likely = to take longer. 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protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <20110721091414.GC88016@elstar.local> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:42:24 +0200 Message-Id: References: <6E1D9270-A9A0-4E6E-A3D0-BC7595058BDA@cesnet.cz> <20110721091414.GC88016@elstar.local> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:42:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail-15-74179634 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:59:46AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >=20 >> 1. The leaf name "prefix-length" is misleading, I suggest to change = it >> to "netmask-length". >=20 > I fail to see why "prefix-length" would be misleading. Because an IP prefix is often understood, e.g. in the routing context, = as a block of addresses. What's defined here is a single IP address and = a netmask that specifies its net and host bits. 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<95BACE37-8F62-420C-8380-C08DD2D3542C@cesnet.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of interfaces-cfg-01 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:55:16 -0000 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:27:38AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > procedure is not that hard to execute (at the moment it is essentially > > Dan reviewing the request). > > But what about the YANG module "iana-if-type"? A new revision is likely to take longer. > No, we (Martin and myself) did talk to IANA at the last IETF and IANA does not see this to be a problem. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Thu Jul 21 03:00:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B5721F898F for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:00:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.882 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.882 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.367, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RN9ruJAT5XnP for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67C021F88A0 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B26020BF5; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:00:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hn4Qwp1+eqAe; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:00:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15AA20BF2; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:00:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id AB1181A11C8B; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:00:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:00:18 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Ladislav Lhotka Message-ID: <20110721100018.GB88153@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Ladislav Lhotka , NETMOD Working Group References: <6E1D9270-A9A0-4E6E-A3D0-BC7595058BDA@cesnet.cz> <20110721091414.GC88016@elstar.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:00:25 -0000 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:42:24AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:59:46AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > >> 1. The leaf name "prefix-length" is misleading, I suggest to change it > >> to "netmask-length". > > > > I fail to see why "prefix-length" would be misleading. > > Because an IP prefix is often understood, e.g. in the routing context, as a block of addresses. What's defined here is a single IP address and a netmask that specifies its net and host bits. Your proposal 'netmask-length' does not make sense to me since the length of the netmask is a constant. The OSes I tend to use show the configured IP addresses in CIDR prefix notations. This is surely true for IPv6 addresses but newer tools like 'ip addr' on Linux do this consistently also for IPv4 addresses. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From mbj@tail-f.com Thu Jul 21 03:04:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAF121F8AFD for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:04:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9EVjy1lNA5JE for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (de-2007.d.ipeer.se [213.180.74.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C20021F8AFA for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (213-65-184-200-no181.tbcn.telia.com [213.65.184.200]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F8771200AD8; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:03:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:03:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20110721.120359.117899073.mbj@tail-f.com> To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <20110721095510.GA88153@elstar.local> References: <20110721090908.GB88016@elstar.local> <95BACE37-8F62-420C-8380-C08DD2D3542C@cesnet.cz> <20110721095510.GA88153@elstar.local> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3.50 on Emacs 23.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of interfaces-cfg-01 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:04:06 -0000 Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:27:38AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > > procedure is not that hard to execute (at the moment it is essentially > > > Dan reviewing the request). > > > > But what about the YANG module "iana-if-type"? A new revision is likely to > > take longer. > > > > No, we (Martin and myself) did talk to IANA at the last IETF and IANA > does not see this to be a problem. Right, and to elaborate; when IANA registers a new interface type, they will update the registry, the MIB, and the YANG module at the same time. The latest version is published only on the IANA web site. /martin From lhotka@cesnet.cz Thu Jul 21 03:27:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1216B21F8581 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:27:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rzY7otyPoDex for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C049321F857D for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stardust-w.lhotkovi.cz (unknown [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:7:5ab0:35ff:fe73:8f1d]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB7482CDE217; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:27:13 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-16-76867957; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <20110721100018.GB88153@elstar.local> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:27:13 +0200 Message-Id: References: <6E1D9270-A9A0-4E6E-A3D0-BC7595058BDA@cesnet.cz> <20110721091414.GC88016@elstar.local> <20110721100018.GB88153@elstar.local> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:27:25 -0000 --Apple-Mail-16-76867957 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:42:24AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >>=20 >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >>=20 >>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:59:46AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >>>=20 >>>> 1. The leaf name "prefix-length" is misleading, I suggest to change = it >>>> to "netmask-length". >>>=20 >>> I fail to see why "prefix-length" would be misleading. >>=20 >> Because an IP prefix is often understood, e.g. in the routing = context, as a block of addresses. What's defined here is a single IP = address and a netmask that specifies its net and host bits. >=20 > Your proposal 'netmask-length' does not make sense to me since the > length of the netmask is a constant. That's true, but so is prefix-length for a single unique address. >=20 >=20 > The OSes I tend to use show the configured IP addresses in CIDR prefix > notations. This is surely true for IPv6 addresses but newer tools like > 'ip addr' on Linux do this consistently also for IPv4 addresses. I know, and for example JUNOS documentation even talks about = "destination prefix", which is IMO a sheer nonsense: "You can configure router or switch interfaces with a 32-bit IP version = 4 (IPv4) address and optionally with a destination prefix, sometimes = called a subnet mask." 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Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:34:43 -0000 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:27:13PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:42:24AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >> > >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:59:46AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >>> > >>>> 1. The leaf name "prefix-length" is misleading, I suggest to change it > >>>> to "netmask-length". > >>> > >>> I fail to see why "prefix-length" would be misleading. > >> > >> Because an IP prefix is often understood, e.g. in the routing context, as a block of addresses. What's defined here is a single IP address and a netmask that specifies its net and host bits. > > > > Your proposal 'netmask-length' does not make sense to me since the > > length of the netmask is a constant. > > That's true, but so is prefix-length for a single unique address. And that is why the prefix-length appears together with an address. I miss your point. My point was that a netmask for IPv4 is always 32 bits and hence the term netmask-length is somewhat pointless if you take it literally. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From lhotka@cesnet.cz Thu Jul 21 04:14:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1A921F8B10 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 04:14:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aRWdSt9Ivenm for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 04:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C8521F8AF6 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 04:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stardust-w.lhotkovi.cz (unknown [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:7:5ab0:35ff:fe73:8f1d]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 16AA02CDE21F; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:14:23 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-17-79697651; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <20110721103439.GA88712@elstar.local> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:14:22 +0200 Message-Id: References: <6E1D9270-A9A0-4E6E-A3D0-BC7595058BDA@cesnet.cz> <20110721091414.GC88016@elstar.local> <20110721100018.GB88153@elstar.local> <20110721103439.GA88712@elstar.local> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:14:25 -0000 --Apple-Mail-17-79697651 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > And that is why the prefix-length appears together with an address. I > miss your point. My point was that a netmask for IPv4 is always 32 > bits and hence the term netmask-length is somewhat pointless if you > take it literally. Agreed, but I have no better suggestion except the traditional 255.255.255.0 which has its share of problems from YANG point of view. My point just is that there is a difference between IP prefix as an = address aggregate on one hand (as it is used in CIDR) and interface = address + netmask on the other. 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(elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1445320BE1; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:40:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4F7611A1290E; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:40:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:40:14 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Ladislav Lhotka Message-ID: <20110721114014.GA89327@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Ladislav Lhotka , NETMOD Working Group References: <6E1D9270-A9A0-4E6E-A3D0-BC7595058BDA@cesnet.cz> <20110721091414.GC88016@elstar.local> <20110721100018.GB88153@elstar.local> <20110721103439.GA88712@elstar.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:40:22 -0000 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 01:14:22PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > My point just is that there is a difference between IP prefix as an > address aggregate on one hand (as it is used in CIDR) and interface > address + netmask on the other. And the difference is? Are you saying ifconfig on Linux and MacOS for IPv6 got it wrong? Is 'ip addr' on Linux wrong? Or is there a fundamental difference here between IPv4 and IPv6 that I am missing? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From lhotka@cesnet.cz Thu Jul 21 05:22:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A402B21F8B4C for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 05:22:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1zKv1p+BNMm5 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 05:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BF021F8B44 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stardust-w.lhotkovi.cz (unknown [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:7:5ab0:35ff:fe73:8f1d]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B53E32CDE243; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:22:13 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-18-83767777; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <20110721114014.GA89327@elstar.local> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:22:13 +0200 Message-Id: <104E0B04-E9BC-466C-8400-817C09E87B6F@cesnet.cz> References: <6E1D9270-A9A0-4E6E-A3D0-BC7595058BDA@cesnet.cz> <20110721091414.GC88016@elstar.local> <20110721100018.GB88153@elstar.local> <20110721103439.GA88712@elstar.local> <20110721114014.GA89327@elstar.local> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:22:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail-18-83767777 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 01:14:22PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >> My point just is that there is a difference between IP prefix as an >> address aggregate on one hand (as it is used in CIDR) and interface >> address + netmask on the other. > > And the difference is? Are you saying ifconfig on Linux and MacOS for > IPv6 got it wrong? Is 'ip addr' on Linux wrong? Or is there a > fundamental difference here between IPv4 and IPv6 that I am missing? RFC 2373 says this: When writing both a node address and a prefix of that node address (e.g., the node's subnet prefix), the two can combined as follows: the node address 12AB:0:0:CD30:123:4567:89AB:CDEF and its subnet number 12AB:0:0:CD30::/60 can be abbreviated as 12AB:0:0:CD30:123:4567:89AB:CDEF/60 So how about "subnet-prefix-length" (for both IPv4 and IPv6)? 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(demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xHusNyO23Rb7; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:26:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C3B20BF1; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:26:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 433991A12A74; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:26:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:26:25 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Ladislav Lhotka Message-ID: <20110721122625.GA89638@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Ladislav Lhotka , NETMOD Working Group References: <6E1D9270-A9A0-4E6E-A3D0-BC7595058BDA@cesnet.cz> <20110721091414.GC88016@elstar.local> <20110721100018.GB88153@elstar.local> <20110721103439.GA88712@elstar.local> <20110721114014.GA89327@elstar.local> <104E0B04-E9BC-466C-8400-817C09E87B6F@cesnet.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <104E0B04-E9BC-466C-8400-817C09E87B6F@cesnet.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:26:33 -0000 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:22:13PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > RFC 2373 says this: > > When writing both a node address and a prefix of that node address > (e.g., the node's subnet prefix), the two can combined as follows: > > the node address 12AB:0:0:CD30:123:4567:89AB:CDEF > and its subnet number 12AB:0:0:CD30::/60 > > can be abbreviated as 12AB:0:0:CD30:123:4567:89AB:CDEF/60 > > So how about "subnet-prefix-length" (for both IPv4 and IPv6)? Not sure what this would fix except making things more verbose. Is there any OS out there using this? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From phil@juniper.net Thu Jul 21 07:23:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2027421F86AB for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:23:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0cTw9hy1P-ga for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og124.obsmtp.com (exprod7og124.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.26]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3B821F8696 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob124.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTig2Xh2olioHMSruUxSRo8C7LrLct29H@postini.com; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:23:30 PDT Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:20:51 -0700 Received: from idle.juniper.net (idleski.juniper.net [172.25.4.26]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id p6LEKnv83448; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:20:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phil@juniper.net) Received: from idle.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idle.juniper.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p6LDsTmK016415; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:54:30 GMT (envelope-from phil@idle.juniper.net) Message-ID: <201107211354.p6LDsTmK016415@idle.juniper.net> To: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <104E0B04-E9BC-466C-8400-817C09E87B6F@cesnet.cz> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:54:29 -0400 From: Phil Shafer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:23:35 -0000 Ladislav Lhotka writes: >So how about "subnet-prefix-length" (for both IPv4 and IPv6)? "prefix-length" is the common term and the one we should be using. Another issue is non-contiguous netmasks, where an operator may do multi-path filtering using the lower bits of the prefix. http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_IPSubnetMasksNotationandSubnetCalculations-4.htm In JUNOS, we put prefix length with the address in the traditional notation "a.b.c.d/e", where e is 0..32 and allow non-contiguous netmasks as "a.b.c.d/f.g.h.i". http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/software/junos/junos70/swconfig70-policy/html/firewall-config12.html Non-contiguous netmasks may not be common, but you'll need to include them in your model. That said, the having to specify the bits in a netmask like 255.255.242.0 is both painful and a common source of errors. 172.25.128.0/21 and
172.25.128.1/21
are much easier. Yes, I see the benefit from making them two distinct fields, but the annoyance factor overwhelms that benefit. Thanks, Phil From ietfc@btconnect.com Fri Jul 22 10:35:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372A621F8B1B for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:35:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cNpOp3JfqrTu for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.btconnect.com (c2bthomr09.btconnect.com [213.123.20.127]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178C221F8ABD for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host86-174-254-236.range86-174.btcentralplus.com (HELO pc6) ([86.174.254.236]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with SMTP id DUH88951; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:35:00 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <012401cc488c$e3c595a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> From: "t.petch" To: "Ladislav Lhotka" , "Phil Shafer" References: <201107211354.p6LDsTmK016415@idle.juniper.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:31:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Fair-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0301.4E29B4C4.0097, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2011.7.22.163316:17:7.586, ip=86.174.254.236, rules=__HAS_MSGID, __OUTLOOK_MSGID_1, __SANE_MSGID, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, CT_TP_8859_1, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, IP_HTTP_ADDR, __CP_NAME_BODY, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1600_1699, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, __OUTLOOK_MUA, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0208.4E29B4C5.00AF,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2010-07-22 22:03:31, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:35:07 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Shafer" To: "Ladislav Lhotka" Cc: "NETMOD Working Group" Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:54 PM > Ladislav Lhotka writes: > >So how about "subnet-prefix-length" (for both IPv4 and IPv6)? > > "prefix-length" is the common term and the one we should be using. I agree. > > Another issue is non-contiguous netmasks, where an operator > may do multi-path filtering using the lower bits of the > prefix. > > http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_IPSubnetMasksNotationandSubnetCalculations-4.ht m > > In JUNOS, we put prefix length with the address in the traditional > notation "a.b.c.d/e", where e is 0..32 and allow non-contiguous > netmasks as "a.b.c.d/f.g.h.i". > > http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/software/junos/junos70/swconfig70-policy/html/fi rewall-config12.html > > Non-contiguous netmasks may not be common, but you'll need to include > them in your model. That said, the having to specify the bits in > a netmask like 255.255.242.0 is both painful and > a common source of errors. 172.25.128.0/21 and >
172.25.128.1/21
are much easier. Ouch; I disagree. I have come across non-contiguous netmasks invariably created by accident and boy, were they a nightmare to track down and put right. I have not checked what the standards say but my recollection is that they are taboo. (I would say suicidal). Tom Petch > > Yes, I see the benefit from making them two distinct fields, but the > annoyance factor overwhelms that benefit. > > Thanks, > Phil From phil@juniper.net Fri Jul 22 11:03:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A2A21F85CA for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:03:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SVCKhyJyFNGg for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og119.obsmtp.com (exprod7og119.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21EF21F85BB for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob119.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTim7ZhO88LTmaTkhPrXJ2smr2OQCgP2/@postini.com; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:03:21 PDT Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:01:27 -0700 Received: from idle.juniper.net (idleski.juniper.net [172.25.4.26]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id p6MI1Ov99116; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:01:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phil@juniper.net) Received: from idle.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idle.juniper.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p6MHZ38P027700; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:35:04 GMT (envelope-from phil@idle.juniper.net) Message-ID: <201107221735.p6MHZ38P027700@idle.juniper.net> To: t.petch In-Reply-To: <012401cc488c$e3c595a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:35:03 -0400 From: Phil Shafer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:03:22 -0000 "t.petch" writes: >Ouch; I disagree. I have come across non-contiguous netmasks invariably >created by accident and boy, were they a nightmare to track down and put right. >I have not checked what the standards say but my recollection is that they are >taboo. (I would say suicidal). Suicidal or not, customers use them on both our gear and that other router company's gear. We had to implement to allow customers to upgrade to our boxes, so I know that they are in use and quite intentional. OSPF doesn't like this, but it's definitely out there. Thanks, Phil From mbj@tail-f.com Fri Jul 22 11:08:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FFF21F877D for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:08:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CP2WxiBuTcrU for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (de-2007.d.ipeer.se [213.180.74.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8130621F8761 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (c213-100-166-57.swipnet.se [213.100.166.57]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D7DF1200B58; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:06:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:07:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20110722.200757.407860334.mbj@tail-f.com> To: phil@juniper.net From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <201107221735.p6MHZ38P027700@idle.juniper.net> References: <012401cc488c$e3c595a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <201107221735.p6MHZ38P027700@idle.juniper.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3.50 on Emacs 23.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:08:00 -0000 Phil Shafer wrote: > "t.petch" writes: > >Ouch; I disagree. I have come across non-contiguous netmasks invariably > >created by accident and boy, were they a nightmare to track down and put > >right. > >I have not checked what the standards say but my recollection is that they > >are > >taboo. (I would say suicidal). > > Suicidal or not, customers use them on both our gear and that other router > company's gear. We had to implement to allow customers to upgrade to our > boxes, so I know that they are in use and quite intentional. OSPF doesn't > like this, but it's definitely out there. So the question is if it is worth standardizing, or if a vendor-specific augmentation will do it? /martin From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Fri Jul 22 11:22:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B71B21F8A58 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:22:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.928 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.928 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.321, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fiMwHdXBKWLL for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3EA21F8A71 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE0F20C06; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:22:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VgJuoVqmEXcn; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:22:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0118220C04; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:22:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 61EF31A14875; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:22:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:22:36 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Martin Bjorklund Message-ID: <20110722182236.GA94570@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Martin Bjorklund , phil@juniper.net, netmod@ietf.org References: <012401cc488c$e3c595a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <201107221735.p6MHZ38P027700@idle.juniper.net> <20110722.200757.407860334.mbj@tail-f.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110722.200757.407860334.mbj@tail-f.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:22:43 -0000 On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 08:07:57PM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Phil Shafer wrote: > > "t.petch" writes: > > >Ouch; I disagree. I have come across non-contiguous netmasks invariably > > >created by accident and boy, were they a nightmare to track down and put > > >right. > > >I have not checked what the standards say but my recollection is that they > > >are > > >taboo. (I would say suicidal). > > > > Suicidal or not, customers use them on both our gear and that other router > > company's gear. We had to implement to allow customers to upgrade to our > > boxes, so I know that they are in use and quite intentional. OSPF doesn't > > like this, but it's definitely out there. > > So the question is if it is worth standardizing, or if a > vendor-specific augmentation will do it? Some standards-track MIB modules will not work with non-contiguous netmasks. I think this was discussed when the IP-FORWARD-MIB was revised and IP folks told us that nobody does this. Of course, the real deployed world might be more ugly than what people believe it is but perhaps this is just legacy uglyness? Out of curiosity, does anybody know _why_ people do this? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From phil@juniper.net Fri Jul 22 12:08:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B9E21F84E2 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:08:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GFcyDHbz77HF for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og105.obsmtp.com (exprod7og105.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.163]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485BB21F84CE for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob105.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTinKm4B1sG5iZLSjNdgDM8ajfqsp2oqI@postini.com; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:08:17 PDT Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:06:02 -0700 Received: from idle.juniper.net (idleski.juniper.net [172.25.4.26]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id p6MJ5xv30960; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:05:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phil@juniper.net) Received: from idle.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idle.juniper.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p6MIddqj028256; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:39:39 GMT (envelope-from phil@idle.juniper.net) Message-ID: <201107221839.p6MIddqj028256@idle.juniper.net> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder In-Reply-To: <20110722182236.GA94570@elstar.local> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:39:39 -0400 From: Phil Shafer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:08:18 -0000 Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: >Out of curiosity, does >anybody know _why_ people do this? Poor mans multi-path: Make 1/2 your prefixes go out one interface and 1/2 out the other. Thanks, Phil From phil@juniper.net Fri Jul 22 12:10:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D85A21F8AF1 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:10:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9ENmPgNyj3a4 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og105.obsmtp.com (exprod7og105.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.163]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A1421F8AF2 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob105.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTinLM0sbttsZ790k82HpAc+L5MRKqlxM@postini.com; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:10:47 PDT Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:09:56 -0700 Received: from idle.juniper.net (idleski.juniper.net [172.25.4.26]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id p6MJ9rv32171; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:09:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phil@juniper.net) Received: from idle.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idle.juniper.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p6MIhXuS028302; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:43:33 GMT (envelope-from phil@idle.juniper.net) Message-ID: <201107221843.p6MIhXuS028302@idle.juniper.net> To: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <20110722.200757.407860334.mbj@tail-f.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:43:33 -0400 From: Phil Shafer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:10:49 -0000 Martin Bjorklund writes: >So the question is if it is worth standardizing, or if a >vendor-specific augmentation will do it? Or is the question whether we want to model ipv4 address as they work .vs. model the subset of how we want them to work? I'd hate to tell an operator that we can't handle their network because they use IP netmasks in a way the WG didn't like. Thanks, Phil From lhotka@cesnet.cz Sat Jul 23 03:23:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC79421F876F for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 03:23:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jv0klZDKCpba for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 03:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E1121F8761 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 03:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix, from userid 33) id 93D4D2CDE453; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:23:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip212-238-82-78.hotspotsvankpn.com (ip212-238-82-78.hotspotsvankpn.com [212.238.82.78]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:23:27 +0200 Message-ID: <20110723122327.33254eymb1athjb4@office2.cesnet.cz> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:23:27 +0200 From: lhotka@cesnet.cz To: "Phil Shafer" References: <201107221735.p6MHZ38P027700@idle.juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <201107221735.p6MHZ38P027700@idle.juniper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.2) Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:23:35 -0000 Cituji "Phil Shafer" : > "t.petch" writes: >> Ouch; I disagree. I have come across non-contiguous netmasks invariably >> created by accident and boy, were they a nightmare to track down >> and put right. >> I have not checked what the standards say but my recollection is >> that they are >> taboo. (I would say suicidal). > > Suicidal or not, customers use them on both our gear and that other router > company's gear. We had to implement to allow customers to upgrade to our > boxes, so I know that they are in use and quite intentional. OSPF doesn't > like this, but it's definitely out there. Also, Phil's employer uses "primary" tag for the address that will be used as source address, while the other router company uses "secondary" to mean the opposite. I think the module should offer this flag, too. Lada > > Thanks, > Phil > From ietfc@btconnect.com Sat Jul 23 04:37:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B372621F87BC for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 04:37:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PYmc7hCtH9vW for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 04:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.btconnect.com (c2bthomr10.btconnect.com [213.123.20.128]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19D321F8797 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 04:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host86-174-254-236.range86-174.btcentralplus.com (HELO pc6) ([86.174.254.236]) by c2bthomr10.btconnect.com with SMTP id DUB14788; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:37:33 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <016801cc4924$1e7f20c0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> From: "t.petch" To: , "Martin Bjorklund" References: <012401cc488c$e3c595a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net><201107221735.p6MHZ38P027700@idle.juniper.net> <20110722.200757.407860334.mbj@tail-f.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:34:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Fair-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0301.4E2AB27D.0090, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2011.7.23.102715:17:7.586, ip=86.174.254.236, rules=__HAS_MSGID, __OUTLOOK_MSGID_1, __SANE_MSGID, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, CT_TP_8859_1, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_WWW, __URI_NO_PATH, __CP_NAME_BODY, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1200_1299, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, __OUTLOOK_MUA, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr10.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020A.4E2AB27E.0024,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2010-07-22 22:03:31, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:37:40 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Bjorklund" To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 8:07 PM > Phil Shafer wrote: > > "t.petch" writes: > > >Ouch; I disagree. I have come across non-contiguous netmasks invariably > > >created by accident and boy, were they a nightmare to track down and put > > >right. > > >I have not checked what the standards say but my recollection is that they > > >are > > >taboo. (I would say suicidal). > > > > Suicidal or not, customers use them on both our gear and that other router > > company's gear. We had to implement to allow customers to upgrade to our > > boxes, so I know that they are in use and quite intentional. OSPF doesn't > > like this, but it's definitely out there. > > So the question is if it is worth standardizing, or if a > vendor-specific augmentation will do it? vendor-specific:-) I will look for the statements that I think exist in standards-track protocol RFC about them. As Juergen says, MIB modules do not support it and I believe that that reflects the underlying protocol but I will look some more. Tom Petch > /martin From phil@juniper.net Sat Jul 23 19:57:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0070221F85F5 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:57:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8T+ae5b4Ra7F for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og122.obsmtp.com (exprod7og122.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B92E21F85F1 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob122.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTiuKE07HxEr/lg3LG0prN3XbFg3HpEKg@postini.com; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:57:25 PDT Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:51:44 -0700 Received: from idle.juniper.net (idleski.juniper.net [172.25.4.26]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id p6O2pfv28531; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:51:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phil@juniper.net) Received: from idle.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idle.juniper.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p6O2PJVT034800; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 02:25:20 GMT (envelope-from phil@idle.juniper.net) Message-ID: <201107240225.p6O2PJVT034800@idle.juniper.net> To: In-Reply-To: <20110723122327.33254eymb1athjb4@office2.cesnet.cz> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:25:19 -0400 From: Phil Shafer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 02:57:28 -0000 lhotka@cesnet.cz writes: >Also, Phil's employer uses "primary" tag for the address that will be >used as source address, while the other router company uses >"secondary" to mean the opposite. I think the module should offer this >flag, too. Worse: there's the idea of a primary interface for packets going out an interface, and the idea of an address for the entire box. So we have the "preferred" and "primary" flags. Configuration is fun until you get to the dirty little details. Thanks, Phil From mbj@tail-f.com Sun Jul 24 10:56:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A829D21F85C7 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:56:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uet7Ic7ywh6J for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (de-2007.d.ipeer.se [213.180.74.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C3821F85B2 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [130.129.18.172]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E37D01200043; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 19:55:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <20110724.135622.441773029.mbj@tail-f.com> To: david.kessens@nsn.com From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <20110714164507.GG30209@nsn.com> References: <20110714164507.GG30209@nsn.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3.50 on Emacs 23.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-01 (20110704) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:56:29 -0000 Hi, I have reviewed this document, and I think it is ready for publication, with some (mostly minor) edits: Section 3 When you read this document from the beginning, it is not clear what this section is for. Later in the document there are backwards references to it, so it gets clear. I suggest to add a sentence in the beginning of section 3, which says something like: "This section describes an algorithm to generate unique module prefixes, to be used in the import statements." Table 2 Says "YANG / SMIv2 Module". Should be only YANG module? If so, also s/well known SMIv2 and YANG modules/well known YANG modules/g Section 3 This section talks about "module name", "SMIv2 module name". I think it should only mention "YANG module name". Now, since the YANG module name is later defined to be the SMIv2 module name, it doesn't really matter for the end result, but it is clearer if the alg. describes how a prefix (which is a YANG construct) is generated from the YANG module name. s/by tokenizing an SMIv2 module name/ by tokenizing the YANG module name/ s/The tokens derived from a module name/ The tokens derived from the module name/ s/shortest sequence of token/ shortest sequence of tokens/ s/at least two token/at least two tokens/ Section 4 s/constant prefix, which followed/ constant prefix followed/ Table 3 This table explicitly lists some SNMPv2-SMI symbols, and then there's a catch all clause that all SNMPv2-SMI symbols are ignored during import. I suggest the explicit symbols are removed. Table 3 This table and following text says that all symbols in SNMPv2-CONF are translated by translation rules. But there are no translation rules for the macros in SNMPv2-CONF. I suggest you add a section that describes how these macros are handled - i.e., that they are not translated at all. Table 3 This table lists 'snmpTraps' from SNMPv2-MIB. But why is that one special? Suppose someone imported 'snmpMIBObjects' from SNMPv2-MIB. Why is this different? Section 4 "according to the type mapping table" Add a reference "according to the type mapping table (see table 1)" Section 4 "This requires to consider all the types used in the translation unit" What is a translation unit? Section 4.1 "The translation of the IF-MIB [RFC2863] leads to the YANG module frame" What is a module frame? Section 5.1 "Furthermore, SMIv2 modules generated from SMIv1 modules may miss an invocation of the MODULE-IDENTITY macro as well" So what will the top-level container be in this case? Since the concept of a top-level container is used later in the translation, this needs to be specified. Section 7 "OBJECT IDENTIFIER assignments are not translated into YANG statements" Isn't this what the new smiv2:alias statement was supposed to be used for? Section 8.1 "All leaf statements for scalar objects are created in the top-level container" OK -- but I just want to point out that this leads to a model where you need to be careful with using filters if you don't want to get all data for a module. Section 8.4 container ifTable { config false; where did the config false statement come from? Ok, it's not wrong, but unnecessary. It's perfectly fine if your implementatiomn generates it, but it should be removed from this example, otherwise a reader might think he missed something. Section 8.6 I think the name, description, reference and value of the augmenting OBJECT-TYPE should not be captured in comments, but in a smiv2:alias statement. For example: OLD: /* * ifXTable (1.3.6.1.2.1.31.1.1) * * A list of interface entries. The number of entries is * given by the value of ifNumber. This table contains * additional objects for the interface table. */ NEW: smiv2:alias ifXTable { smiv2:oid "1.3.6.1.2.1.31.1.1"; description "A list of interface entries. The number of entries is given by the value of ifNumber. This table contains additional objects for the interface table."; } s/""/"/g Section 9. The SMIv2 uses invocations of the OBJECT-IDENTITY macro to define information about an OBJECT IDENTIFIER assignment. Invocations of the OBJECT-IDENTITY macro MUST be translated into YANG identity statements as detailed below. Ok, but in this case, from the MALLOC-MIB, this will be somewhat odd... madcapConfig OBJECT-IDENTITY STATUS current DESCRIPTION "Group of objects that count various MADCAP events." ::= { madcap 1 } /martin From lhotka@cesnet.cz Mon Jul 25 09:12:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F0411E8138 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:12:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_62=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qojS07psIlu3 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA2021F8514 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::16:5ab0:35ff:fe73:8f1d] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:5ab0:35ff:fe73:8f1d]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7CEE12CDE0A8 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:46:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Ladislav Lhotka Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-438051263; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:46:56 -0400 Message-Id: <590FE845-85D5-4265-B45C-A43329CDAAB5@cesnet.cz> To: NETMOD Working Group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [netmod] translation to IOS X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:12:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail-3-438051263 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I wrote an XSLT stylesheet that takes an instance document combining = (most of) data trees of the 'ietf-system', 'ietf-interfaces' and = 'ietf-ip' modules and translates it to a Cisco IOS configuration. An = example is shown below. Apart from practical applications, it could IMO serve as an evidence = that NETMOD-developed data models remain closely related to real-world = data models and configuration languages. The stylesheet can be extended to include other modules such as = snmp-cfg. Integration of the routing stuff will not be that easy though. Comments are welcome. Lada $ cat test-get-config-reply.xml=20 my-router 192.0.2.254 2001:CAFE::FE cesnet.cz ietf.org
tik.cesnet.cz
tak.cesnet.cz
 GigabitEthernet1/1 External interface. ethernetCsmacd 1/1 8192
192.0.2.1 24
2001:CAFE::1 64
GigabitEthernet1/2 Internal interface. ethernetCsmacd 1/2
192.0.3.129 25
2001:F00B::1 64
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from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HRzslnKoBvH2 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (de-2007.d.ipeer.se [213.180.74.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1330811E80D0 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [130.129.18.172]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 206191200CB1; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:40:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <20110725.174149.476300436.mbj@tail-f.com> To: phil@juniper.net From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <201107240225.p6O2PJVT034800@idle.juniper.net> References: <20110723122327.33254eymb1athjb4@office2.cesnet.cz> <201107240225.p6O2PJVT034800@idle.juniper.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3.50 on Emacs 23.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:41:57 -0000 Phil Shafer wrote: > lhotka@cesnet.cz writes: > >Also, Phil's employer uses "primary" tag for the address that will be > >used as source address, while the other router company uses > >"secondary" to mean the opposite. I think the module should offer this > >flag, too. > > Worse: there's the idea of a primary interface for packets > going out an interface, and the idea of an address for the > entire box. So we have the "preferred" and "primary" flags. Could you suggest some 'description' text for such leafs? /martin From ietf@andybierman.com Tue Jul 26 08:15:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D241621F8B7D for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:15:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hmhVwiCUkC+n for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omr1.networksolutionsemail.com (omr1.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91CB21F8B7A for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cm-omr6 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr1.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p6QFFZHG021146 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:15:39 -0400 Authentication-Results: cm-omr6 smtp.user=andy@andybierman.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authenticated-UID: andy@andybierman.com Received: from [130.129.23.149] ([130.129.23.149:44951] helo=[130.129.23.149]) by cm-omr6 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id B6/C1-19187-71ADE2E4; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:15:35 -0400 Message-ID: <4E2EDA14.9090605@andybierman.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:15:32 -0700 From: Andy Bierman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NETMOD Working Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [netmod] comments on draft-ietf-netmod-smi-01 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:15:41 -0000 Hi, This draft is ready for advancement to the IESG. Here are my review comments. Just clarifications requested. sec 2: Implementations are encouraged to provide options to handle situations where DISPLAY-HINTs are added during a revision of a module and backwards compatibility must be preserved. What are the options they are encouraged to provide? sec 3: The order modules are processed by a translator will affect the prefix algorithm, wrt/ detecting conflicts. It seems this algorithm is ad-hoc, and there is no way to determine if the shortest unique prefix is really found. IMO it would be better to allow a translator to use the entire converted module name to be sure the prefix is unique. sec. 4: SMIv2 modules are mapped to corresponding YANG modules. The YANG module name MUST be the same as the SMIv2 module name. Do you mean the converted module name, according to the algorithm in sec. 3? No. I see further down this is not the case. I suggest a new section called Mapping of the Module Name to make this more clear. sec. 4: The generated import statements use the untranslated SMIv2 module names or the names of well-known YANG modules as their argument I don't understand why the module name is unchanged but the generated prefix is changed (e.g., all lowercase). sec 6.1: OLD: o The SMIv2 DISPLAY-HINT MAY be translated into an smiv2:display- hint statement, see the YANG extension defined in Section 11. NEW: o The SMIv2 DISPLAY-HINT MAY be translated into an smiv2:display- hint statement. Refer to the YANG extension defined in Section 11. SMIv2 INTEGER enumerations and SMIv2 BITS are mapped to YANG enum / value and bit / position statements. Are these forward slashes typos? (also sec. 8.1) sec 6.3 (enum translation example) It would be nice to start using the YANG style of documenting enums by putting the semantics of each enum in its own description-stmt, instead of all together in the typedef or object description. But this cannot be done automatically, so it cannot be done. *** Side issue: will this spec be used by MIB designers to help manually *** convert their MIB design patterns to YANG? If so, then guidance *** on this sort of manual conversion would be useful to them. sec. 8.3: YANG leaf statements of type leafref pointing to the referenced definition are created. then later in 8.5: leaf ifIndex { type leafref { path "/if-mib:ifMIB/if-mib:ifTable" + "/if-mib:ifEntry/if-mib:ifIndex"; } description "[Automatically generated leaf for a foreign index.]"; } The text does not mention this automatic description-stmt. Should the text say this string SHOULD (or MAY) be used? Andy From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Tue Jul 26 09:43:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E631F0C34 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:43:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.270, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 883l8DCQLviY for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B6421F84C7 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1C220BFE for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:43:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UOxkYgUIK-L1; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:43:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1D720C09; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:43:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 17B141A19164; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:43:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:43:42 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110726164341.GA7684@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: netmod@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [netmod] js review of draft-bierman-netmod-system-mgmt-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:43:44 -0000 I have reviewed draft-bierman-netmod-system-mgmt-00 (as technical contributor). I am fine with the scope of document and support its adoption as WG document. The comments come in document order. 1) Is there some authoritative reference for the crypt-hash format, e.g., a POSIX standard? Is this regulated as part of say POSIX.1 or is all this a GNU invention? Are we sure we can use $0$ as a cleartext password format? Do we have to state that lowercase characters are the canonical representation? 2) The platform leafs are very Unix specific - is this OK? Can we have better references than "uname --kernel"? It looks uname is covered by POSIX.1-2001 but I am not sure. 3) Rename timezone-info leafs, e.g. OLD choice timezone-info leaf tz-database-id leaf tz-enumeration-is leaf utc-offset NEW choice timezone leaf timezone-location leaf timezone-name leaf timezone-utc-offset 4) Can we reasonably expect to control timeouts and retries for different implementations of DNS, NTP, or RADIUS? Or should we leave this to protocol specific modules? 5) For RADIUS, you include a port number leaf but not for DNS and NTP. Should we be consistent about this? 6) What exactly is stored in the ssh-dsa and ssh-rsa leafs? The content of my SSH key file is essentially a tag identifying the format (e.g. ssh-dss), the key in base64, and identifier. There is RFC 4716 but that does not seem to define the format that is most commonly used... Anyway, it needs to be clear what the format is and if it is self-describing, we might not need multiple leafs for different crypto systems. 7) Should we submodularize this YANG module this so that we can more easily revise parts of the model as we move along? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Tue Jul 26 13:02:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842B821F88B7 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:02:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.986 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.986 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.263, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oQtbxNLi0Nmx for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D3221F88B6 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF7120BEA for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vsHaMvoDaExh; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6C120BE9; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 0C2F61A194D6; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:08 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110726200206.GA8321@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: netmod@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [netmod] system data model rpcs X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:02:13 -0000 Hi, I am wondering whether we should add some additional RPCs to the system data model. I am thinking about very basic things such as a reboot RPC and/or a powerdown RPC. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From lhotka@cesnet.cz Tue Jul 26 13:10:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EC721F89B8 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:10:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kgsREcvF1XNz for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD70E21F88DC for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::64:c62c:3ff:fe09:d0bc] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:64:c62c:3ff:fe09:d0bc]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65D6C2CDE059; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:09:29 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-543803129; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <20110726200206.GA8321@elstar.local> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:09:28 -0400 Message-Id: References: <20110726200206.GA8321@elstar.local> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] system data model rpcs X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:10:25 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2-543803129 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > Hi, > > I am wondering whether we should add some additional RPCs to the > system data model. 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Tue Jul 26 13:12:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB00322800E for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:12:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tTIRbDKCpssY for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f44.google.com (mail-gw0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDF322800D for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so669148gwb.31 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:12:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alaxala.net; s=google; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NCqsh174lzAPsHiuzEfEOhDbWVeuvOmc4p0m+Eb5aFw=; b=lb9YlmdJgpcHP5pYFOXzTfa69TWWvasekD8PdbdSgIGj9HmwQbMRiDpAIM0x8Zdc7Y UUasuEGzpn3iAzogHgud0dIA+VANvzw5ZWE/bsf1qlC0QidS3sKBcNFVpqrkbsjpIrHS nEtenPWaeXkzdnbNypZqtWVekbm74MF9BRp/8= Received: by 10.68.51.197 with SMTP id m5mr2667842pbo.503.1311711119818; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-5725.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-5725.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.87.37]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e6sm883308pbm.55.2011.07.26.13.11.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E2F1F8D.7050207@alaxala.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:11:57 -0400 From: Yoshifumi Atarashi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; ja-JP-mac; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netmod@ietf.org References: <20110726200206.GA8321@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20110726200206.GA8321@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [netmod] system data model rpcs X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:12:01 -0000 Many venders and ISPs operators think that Power/Reboot control mechanism are caution of securty hole . Be carefully consider the risks. Yoshifumi Atarashi (11/07/26 16:02), Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > Hi, > > I am wondering whether we should add some additional RPCs to the > system data model. I am thinking about very basic things such as a > reboot RPC and/or a powerdown RPC. > > /js > From atarashi@alaxala.net Tue Jul 26 13:33:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB3821F87C9 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:33:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pV9PdnM6glLn for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f44.google.com (mail-gw0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1560321F87C7 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so687993gwb.31 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:33:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alaxala.net; s=google; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=l6w4YodNwKKeO8OgGSRymlNLNqtFZKAbFl6Ud/Sfgxk=; b=kGeK1FLMe4D8GPouZ1BhkKSc1yFqdN7hD0YDb4SVmkrDA/6f17bo94QzR90lRKPwKb DQ4eZfpeP36CFaFoyo/9F+ARsHOAlbB1WCPtDyvxS+hL/PMSRXEJ8ifunAiQM2nSkoVN /KdUT01uKQY7+uxTqj6aGSH9pz3b+fxDFf8AU= Received: by 10.68.71.198 with SMTP id x6mr7550491pbu.30.1311712386733; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-5725.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-5725.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.87.37]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d3sm902163pbh.37.2011.07.26.13.33.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E2F2480.4060908@alaxala.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:33:04 -0400 From: Yoshifumi Atarashi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; ja-JP-mac; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netmod@ietf.org References: <201107240225.p6O2PJVT034800@idle.juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <201107240225.p6O2PJVT034800@idle.juniper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:33:08 -0000 IPv4 is ordinary one i/f, one address. But IPv6 is one i/f, one Link Local Address and multiple addresses. So I wonder if IPv6 address list is down below. - IPv6 Link Local address - IPv6 address[1] - IPv6 address[2] - IPv6 address[3] ....... - IPv6 address[n] ------ Yoshifumi Atarashi From lhotka@cesnet.cz Tue Jul 26 13:35:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1365721F87C7 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:35:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yVOVSJHaOy6E for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AFF21F86A1 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::64:c62c:3ff:fe09:d0bc] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:64:c62c:3ff:fe09:d0bc]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B39622CDE2E1; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:35:28 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-545362070; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <4E2F1F8D.7050207@alaxala.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:35:27 -0400 Message-Id: <1AB94748-13DA-4030-BF36-5661CEFF73FC@cesnet.cz> References: <20110726200206.GA8321@elstar.local> <4E2F1F8D.7050207@alaxala.net> To: Yoshifumi Atarashi X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] system data model rpcs X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:35:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail-3-545362070 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: > Many venders and ISPs operators think that Power/Reboot control > mechanism are caution of securty hole . > Be carefully consider the risks. Both Cisco and Juniper have such a CLI command, and previously we had to = implement it in NETCONF for the devices we are developing. In some = situations, it is actually a security hole NOT to be able to reboot a = box. Lada =20 > Yoshifumi Atarashi >=20 > (11/07/26 16:02), Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> I am wondering whether we should add some additional RPCs to the >> system data model. 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netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F0A11E80B2 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:50:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.992 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.992 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.257, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7zGdsZ1wamkG for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1623211E8097 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7165420C01; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 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<4E2F2480.4060908@alaxala.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:50:39 -0000 On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 04:33:04PM -0400, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: > IPv4 is ordinary one i/f, one address. > But IPv6 is one i/f, one Link Local Address and multiple addresses. > > So I wonder if IPv6 address list is down below. > > - IPv6 Link Local address > - IPv6 address[1] > - IPv6 address[2] > - IPv6 address[3] > ....... > - IPv6 address[n] The ipv4 and the ipv6 containers in draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg each contain a list of IP addresses. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From atarashi@alaxala.net Tue Jul 26 13:59:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC65C21F880C for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:59:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P3kYP7XMNulE for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f53.google.com (mail-pz0-f53.google.com [209.85.210.53]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8EF21F861E for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk6 with SMTP id 6so1359570pzk.26 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:59:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alaxala.net; s=google; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+om11GoJrnfCuwaqe6zgDn50wuA0WQ1rb/Ak8Z3i0JM=; b=be8nlD1s71EWDVGASlotsQqk3TOKU6GFf5yoAws286SRCV/vZsbkg+N17qqF3UOFED B/TjNJMFVZzt1VE7Vy/tdQqXUyV+Ap0xtKwemwuOgG07LrQ/fUSxJEh7bTZ1wnBw/N/V 8QvKs/8iUU4GhuOv+sbJ1gdhA38zs4vFwnGgY= Received: by 10.68.54.164 with SMTP id k4mr4829768pbp.310.1311713944686; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-5725.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-5725.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.87.37]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e6sm926957pbm.7.2011.07.26.13.59.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E2F2A96.8030106@alaxala.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:59:02 -0400 From: Yoshifumi Atarashi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; ja-JP-mac; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netmod@ietf.org References: <201107240225.p6O2PJVT034800@idle.juniper.net> <4E2F2480.4060908@alaxala.net> <20110726205036.GA8486@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20110726205036.GA8486@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:59:05 -0000 I missed to read address list to address. But my point is Link Local Address, GLA, ULA separate class in IPv6. Yoshifumi Atarashi (11/07/26 16:50), Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 04:33:04PM -0400, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: >> IPv4 is ordinary one i/f, one address. >> But IPv6 is one i/f, one Link Local Address and multiple addresses. >> >> So I wonder if IPv6 address list is down below. >> >> - IPv6 Link Local address >> - IPv6 address[1] >> - IPv6 address[2] >> - IPv6 address[3] >> ....... >> - IPv6 address[n] > The ipv4 and the ipv6 containers in draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg > each contain a list of IP addresses. > > /js > From atarashi@alaxala.net Tue Jul 26 14:31:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A696011E80B8; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:31:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BRuAprHfcsh1; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f44.google.com (mail-gw0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00CF11E80AF; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so739418gwb.31 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:31:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alaxala.net; s=google; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xlezTTQz/6wa89FsHgUHyCM50puGkkPyjZRz0r9d0Fg=; b=dV/oG6K0/nC2q8CyPUxogXopSMp3CnqU0LXITbMGqZDmY55Fr8rx27d5+8YRGywYoq ryWOiLrDRzNhxYB27ZWe6qxvbQbTpKd7jT6BPrtmxqqKBz2f83gGz+7tCt3NxX1jvez7 /Klh4DExckQJZ0HNihbhOedyEg/iDepbo9sYA= Received: by 10.142.144.15 with SMTP id r15mr4115796wfd.439.1311715899837; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-5725.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-5725.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.87.37]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm946760pbx.34.2011.07.26.14.31.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E2F3239.4020405@alaxala.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:31:37 -0400 From: Yoshifumi Atarashi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; ja-JP-mac; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bert (IETF) Wijnen" References: <20110726200206.GA8321@elstar.local> <4E2F1F8D.7050207@alaxala.net> <4E2F2C20.6080802@bwijnen.net> In-Reply-To: <4E2F2C20.6080802@bwijnen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Netconf , netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] system data model rpcs X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:31:41 -0000 Thank you, Bert. We(Venders) sometimes are bullied by operators about security issue...... I don't mind these control. For netconf/netmod deployment, I'm thinking something is better instead of power control, more useful for ISPs systems. Yoshifumi Atarashi (11/07/26 17:05), Bert (IETF) Wijnen wrote: > On 7/26/11 4:11 PM, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: >> Many venders and ISPs operators think that Power/Reboot control >> mechanism are caution of securty hole . >> Be carefully consider the risks. >> Yoshifumi Atarashi > OK, I remember that way back when, there were safety laws that would > forbid to > do a remote reboot (actually that was a remote power on.). > > But in any event, these dyas, someone can ssh into a device, got to > root mode > and then do a reboot also. SO in that sense, I do not see why it would be > so different if Netcofn could do it (with proper access control of > course). > > Bert > >> (11/07/26 16:02), Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am wondering whether we should add some additional RPCs to the >>> system data model. I am thinking about very basic things such as a >>> reboot RPC and/or a powerdown RPC. >>> >>> /js >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> > From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Tue Jul 26 14:46:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E815511E80AF for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:46:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.251, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UXWRv20GvRW7 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA70F11E80A7 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D0420BF5; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:46:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BEyWfiDTSisr; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:46:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EA420BF3; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:46:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 82F671A197E1; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:46:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:46:26 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Yoshifumi Atarashi Message-ID: <20110726214626.GA8828@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Yoshifumi Atarashi , netmod@ietf.org References: <201107240225.p6O2PJVT034800@idle.juniper.net> <4E2F2480.4060908@alaxala.net> <20110726205036.GA8486@elstar.local> <4E2F2A96.8030106@alaxala.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E2F2A96.8030106@alaxala.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:46:30 -0000 On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 04:59:02PM -0400, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: > I missed to read address list to address. > But my point is Link Local Address, GLA, ULA separate class in IPv6. Please elaborate, I do not understand your question. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Tue Jul 26 14:51:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2CB5E800F for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:51:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.004 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.004 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.245, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V9rvTS6BnfLo for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BE85E8008 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F86620C01; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:51:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tgr9bhvJ3k5u; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:51:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CECA20BF5; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:51:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 947941A198CF; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:51:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:51:34 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Dan Romascanu Message-ID: <20110726215134.GA8865@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Dan Romascanu , netmod@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] wg meeting summary X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:51:38 -0000 The NETMOD working group has met for two hours on Tuesday during the 81st IETF meeting. The meeting was attended by 25 people in room with a few additional remote participants. - was discussed and there was consensus in the room to accept this individual submission as a WG document. - and the related IANA document were discussed and these document seem to be close to be complete. An individual submission for basic IP configuration received support in the room to become a WG document. - is in WG last call and needs more reviews. Martin Bjorklund's review resulted in a few technical issues that need to be resolved. The document editor is going to bring the issues to the WG mailing list. - was presented but only very few attendees had read the document. The WG chairs will poll the WG (by circulating a proposed charter addition on the WG mailing list) whether there is support to take on this work in the NETMOD working group at this point in time. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Tue Jul 26 14:56:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFF011E80A2 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:56:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.239, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8B9W1rHHsPGl for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76FE11E8093 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D67A20C0D; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:56:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aKNj6VKqiylq; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:56:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D95220C0A; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:56:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 17B6E1A1994F; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:56:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:56:44 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Dan Romascanu , netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110726215644.GA8939@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Dan Romascanu , netmod@ietf.org References: <20110726215134.GA8865@elstar.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110726215134.GA8865@elstar.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] wg meeting summary X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:56:48 -0000 [I forgot the routing document discussion - here is the full version] The NETMOD working group has met for two hours on Tuesday during the 81st IETF meeting. The meeting was attended by 25 people in room with a few additional remote participants. - was discussed and there was consensus in the room to accept this individual submission as a WG document. - and the related IANA document were discussed and these document seem to be close to be complete. An individual submission for basic IP configuration received support in the room to become a WG document. - was discussed and will be revised taking into account the feedback received from routing experts. This document needs more review by vendors/operators/experts in order to make sure the routing model matches reality and sufficiently generic to address operational requirements. - is in WG last call and needs more reviews. Martin Bjorklund's review resulted in a few technical issues that need to be resolved. The document editor is going to bring the issues to the WG mailing list. - was presented but only very few attendees had read the document. The WG chairs will poll the WG (by circulating a proposed charter addition on the WG mailing list) whether there is support to take on this work in the NETMOD working group at this point in time. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From atarashi@alaxala.net Tue Jul 26 15:12:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F381A21F8782 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:12:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ojm6Rn69JNB7 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yi0-f44.google.com (mail-yi0-f44.google.com [209.85.218.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF9C21F874E for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yie30 with SMTP id 30so773265yie.31 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:12:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alaxala.net; s=google; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9i2YgrhGnDerYcNdBTownofYecFkP/kR6yFeyaAXNYw=; b=XuEtGkyySF52Le1tSL0CS7GCk94rYX2qZYsHX/oG5QxEP9XswFU6I9nmcm5vU53kC+ rY8sya2gWlhgR+jTLU7Fy2znzdAuqAT/aRZQG97NTID66lsCRcG5m4mcUzQbka1UDZko Doyjdf/Hw0JszTchd/fA+icRXwgojFNgAwqWI= Received: by 10.68.36.165 with SMTP id r5mr2044270pbj.137.1311718352521; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-5725.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-5725.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.87.37]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z6sm979464pbc.14.2011.07.26.15.12.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E2F3BCD.5090309@alaxala.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:12:29 -0400 From: Yoshifumi Atarashi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; ja-JP-mac; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netmod@ietf.org References: <201107240225.p6O2PJVT034800@idle.juniper.net> <4E2F2480.4060908@alaxala.net> <20110726205036.GA8486@elstar.local> <4E2F2A96.8030106@alaxala.net> <20110726214626.GA8828@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20110726214626.GA8828@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Yoshifumi Atarashi Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:12:34 -0000 IPv6 address is 3 kinds and more in address architecture document. Each i/f automatically assign one Link Local Address ( fe80:: ......). By auto/manual configure, Global Unique Address(GUA) add. Sometimes, operators use to add Unique Local Address(ULA). IPv6 spec can use multiple GUA. LLA, GUA, ULA are different to use. Operators recognize and operate which address kind. So I think GUA, LLA, ULA class in netmod ip cfg. Yoshifumi Atarashi (11/07/26 17:46), Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 04:59:02PM -0400, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: >> I missed to read address list to address. >> But my point is Link Local Address, GLA, ULA separate class in IPv6. > Please elaborate, I do not understand your question. > > /js > From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Tue Jul 26 15:18:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE56228010 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:18:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.228, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lVCYUFRwm4tT for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAEF228006 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4DE20C01; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 00:18:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J654N82C0Sla; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 00:18:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A1F20BF8; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 00:18:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9EB941A19C76; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 00:18:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 00:18:08 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Yoshifumi Atarashi Message-ID: <20110726221808.GB9080@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Yoshifumi Atarashi , netmod@ietf.org, Yoshifumi Atarashi References: <201107240225.p6O2PJVT034800@idle.juniper.net> <4E2F2480.4060908@alaxala.net> <20110726205036.GA8486@elstar.local> <4E2F2A96.8030106@alaxala.net> <20110726214626.GA8828@elstar.local> <4E2F3BCD.5090309@alaxala.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E2F3BCD.5090309@alaxala.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Yoshifumi Atarashi , netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:18:12 -0000 On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 06:12:29PM -0400, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: > IPv6 address is 3 kinds and more in address architecture document. > Each i/f automatically assign one Link Local Address ( fe80:: ......). > By auto/manual configure, Global Unique Address(GUA) add. > Sometimes, operators use to add Unique Local Address(ULA). > IPv6 spec can use multiple GUA. > LLA, GUA, ULA are different to use. > Operators recognize and operate which address kind. > So I think GUA, LLA, ULA class in netmod ip cfg. Perhaps it helps if you can point out what you believe is missing. Note also that the focus of this document is configuration, some of the address classes won't normally be part of configuration (but then the document does not preclude this). /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From atarashi@alaxala.net Wed Jul 27 03:29:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C45621F8B6D for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:29:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q6QuNoWe1qVD for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF62921F8B70 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so1113984gxk.31 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:29:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alaxala.net; s=google; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eTVUu9XMA9c1KkkoYv71G21KNTDLLjdgUYVYpuGjA9k=; b=i/fnEnjerdmIx/AjcM+cQI0/jIErGQ8by7BTUAHL7SjRuEoNIYm1IE6nYzxGcm4nYW OpqbamuLuWNlCQlup74PCJpTGIcyz/lSicPq9cCY7rT7gcW/KC2H4Soz5O9xaiL5W3wW gX8SpbMYzPkuv/yxwZc3yiNdEVrd1DnDUYWKA= Received: by 10.68.65.163 with SMTP id y3mr11388143pbs.166.1311762548895; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-4420.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-4420.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.68.32]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e6sm1547972pbm.55.2011.07.27.03.29.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E2FE872.50102@alaxala.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:29:06 -0400 From: Yoshifumi Atarashi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; ja-JP-mac; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netmod@ietf.org References: <201107240225.p6O2PJVT034800@idle.juniper.net> <4E2F2480.4060908@alaxala.net> <20110726205036.GA8486@elstar.local> <4E2F2A96.8030106@alaxala.net> <20110726214626.GA8828@elstar.local> <4E2F3BCD.5090309@alaxala.net> <20110726221808.GB9080@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20110726221808.GB9080@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Yoshifumi Atarashi Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:29:10 -0000 I understand you have no experience of IPv6 operation, don't you? I suggest that you have to add Link Local Address. Because Link Local Address is special. When some WAN router and data center operators want to change Link Local Address, they used -i option, % descriptor and so on for Link Local Address indication. This is from my long time IPv6 experience. I was one of management member of KAME project.... Yoshifumi Atarashi (11/07/26 18:18), Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 06:12:29PM -0400, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: >> IPv6 address is 3 kinds and more in address architecture document. >> Each i/f automatically assign one Link Local Address ( fe80:: ......). >> By auto/manual configure, Global Unique Address(GUA) add. >> Sometimes, operators use to add Unique Local Address(ULA). >> IPv6 spec can use multiple GUA. >> LLA, GUA, ULA are different to use. >> Operators recognize and operate which address kind. >> So I think GUA, LLA, ULA class in netmod ip cfg. > Perhaps it helps if you can point out what you believe is missing. > > Note also that the focus of this document is configuration, some of > the address classes won't normally be part of configuration (but then > the document does not preclude this). > > /js > From lhotka@cesnet.cz Wed Jul 27 05:06:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEC021F8AE9 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 05:06:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.525 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.525 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7xSB6PRb7rv5 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 05:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BF021F8AF2 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 05:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::64:c62c:3ff:fe09:d0bc] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:64:c62c:3ff:fe09:d0bc]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AF9082CDE30D; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:06:45 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-601238474; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <4E2FE872.50102@alaxala.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:06:43 -0400 Message-Id: References: <201107240225.p6O2PJVT034800@idle.juniper.net> <4E2F2480.4060908@alaxala.net> <20110726205036.GA8486@elstar.local> <4E2F2A96.8030106@alaxala.net> <20110726214626.GA8828@elstar.local> <4E2F3BCD.5090309@alaxala.net> <20110726221808.GB9080@elstar.local> <4E2FE872.50102@alaxala.net> To: Yoshifumi Atarashi X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Yoshifumi Atarashi , netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:06:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-601238474 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: > I understand you have no experience of IPv6 operation, don't you? > I suggest that you have to add Link Local Address. > Because Link Local Address is special. > When some WAN router and data center operators want to change > Link Local Address, they used -i option, % descriptor and so on > for Link Local Address indication. > This is from my long time IPv6 experience. > I was one of management member of KAME project.... So could you please specify the necessary changes to the existing data = model, as Juergen suggested? Thanks, Lada > Yoshifumi Atarashi >=20 >=20 > (11/07/26 18:18), Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 06:12:29PM -0400, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: >>> IPv6 address is 3 kinds and more in address architecture document. >>> Each i/f automatically assign one Link Local Address ( fe80:: = ......). >>> By auto/manual configure, Global Unique Address(GUA) add. >>> Sometimes, operators use to add Unique Local Address(ULA). >>> IPv6 spec can use multiple GUA. >>> LLA, GUA, ULA are different to use. >>> Operators recognize and operate which address kind. >>> So I think GUA, LLA, ULA class in netmod ip cfg. >> Perhaps it helps if you can point out what you believe is missing. >>=20 >> Note also that the focus of this document is configuration, some of >> the address classes won't normally be part of configuration (but then >> the document does not preclude this). >>=20 >> /js >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > 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with ESMTP id KfVdnF5jb9Iq; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:12:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DCF20C42; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:12:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4234F1A1A19E; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:12:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:12:10 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Yoshifumi Atarashi Message-ID: <20110727121210.GA10319@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Yoshifumi Atarashi , netmod@ietf.org, Yoshifumi Atarashi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E2FE872.50102@alaxala.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Yoshifumi Atarashi , netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:12:15 -0000 On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 06:29:06AM -0400, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: > I understand you have no experience of IPv6 operation, don't you? Just about 10 years... > I suggest that you have to add Link Local Address. > Because Link Local Address is special. > When some WAN router and data center operators want to change > Link Local Address, they used -i option, % descriptor and so on > for Link Local Address indication. I would have helped if you would have asked "are zone identifiers for link local addresses covered?" And then my answer would have been "yes, see RFC 6021 for the definition of an ipv6-address". /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From atarashi@alaxala.net Wed Jul 27 06:21:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B9421F8681 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:21:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RFCcfmCiIAIc for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36B421F8678 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxp4 with SMTP id 4so941853yxp.31 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:21:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alaxala.net; s=google; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sZ2qaPLQ+wq9uCU+HAH04Djz04xw7bwo7hGM9BVt5YI=; b=i5bEk6sqiXaXn72+RJ8hKbem1MnP8sHF2H2p3dkEKciZyyo3AeOPwHYy2VU0jzpIlb RtPwEeFzEt11aWk1ceyWfCOggmX1Hfl8cedQcE4qw5nEsJp+F5WaDbtqa1MBtnW3QibU aySwspyyBek9eD/9DhcJHC/KoxI0/lo+KlK4M= Received: by 10.68.10.69 with SMTP id g5mr37903pbb.444.1311772860134; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-678c.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-678c.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.103.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m7sm104583pbk.38.2011.07.27.06.20.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3010B4.4030504@alaxala.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:20:52 -0400 From: Yoshifumi Atarashi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netmod@ietf.org, Yoshifumi Atarashi References: <20110727121210.GA10319@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20110727121210.GA10319@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:21:01 -0000 I read RFC 6021. Generally, IPv6-address definition is no problem. But in only ip config and i/f case, I want to add Link Local Address separately. Because i/f depends on description of Link Local Address. It is special case. ----- Yoshifumi Atarashi (11/07/27 8:12), Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 06:29:06AM -0400, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: >> I understand you have no experience of IPv6 operation, don't you? > Just about 10 years... > >> I suggest that you have to add Link Local Address. >> Because Link Local Address is special. >> When some WAN router and data center operators want to change >> Link Local Address, they used -i option, % descriptor and so on >> for Link Local Address indication. > I would have helped if you would have asked "are zone identifiers for > link local addresses covered?" And then my answer would have been "yes, > see RFC 6021 for the definition of an ipv6-address". > > /js > From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Wed Jul 27 06:35:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6F521F8B74 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:35:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.240, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y2k1A8WbM-Yt for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29B321F8AF0 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EF420C4A; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:35:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Os63d9eh1FTX; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:35:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F8120C50; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:35:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7D0561A1A865; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:35:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:35:09 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Yoshifumi Atarashi Message-ID: <20110727133507.GA10663@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Yoshifumi Atarashi , netmod@ietf.org, Yoshifumi Atarashi References: <20110727121210.GA10319@elstar.local> <4E3010B4.4030504@alaxala.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E3010B4.4030504@alaxala.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Yoshifumi Atarashi , netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:35:13 -0000 On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 09:20:52AM -0400, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: > I read RFC 6021. > Generally, IPv6-address definition is no problem. But in only ip > config and i/f case, I want to add Link Local Address separately. > Because i/f depends on description of Link Local Address. It is > special case. What does "I want to add Link Local Address separately" mean? Anyway, on Linux, ipaddr does not seem to make any distinction whether you configure a global or link-local address. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From atarashi@alaxala.net Wed Jul 27 06:46:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7445211E8085 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:46:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l5FMrl-I3F8o for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f53.google.com (mail-pz0-f53.google.com [209.85.210.53]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E839F11E807A for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk6 with SMTP id 6so2571278pzk.26 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:46:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alaxala.net; s=google; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gHIz/Bvz+FEoumrHVrScptYnPGFyzM+ZWg3MsWUuUnQ=; b=dSUafJnYIx3OObCkkzIQjgfu2RhgIOIm/B66XSEn9ZiUwWTRnSxpMGP6jk9BhObL2g OjAlcOAIo4C4IFQZ7vrVu4ts6VpaczAQKL0VzonYwSGp3LeiwSxpsdCxYgek5DJCjqGf j9yL2LXwj0EQ6GagTlCv4LnKNzFTqFVWRLEuM= Received: by 10.68.59.231 with SMTP id c7mr71560pbr.468.1311774390000; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-678c.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-678c.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.103.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q2sm125100pbj.35.2011.07.27.06.46.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3016B3.9090804@alaxala.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:46:27 -0400 From: Yoshifumi Atarashi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netmod@ietf.org, Yoshifumi Atarashi References: <20110727121210.GA10319@elstar.local> <4E3010B4.4030504@alaxala.net> <20110727133507.GA10663@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20110727133507.GA10663@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:46:31 -0000 I know Linux and BSD implementation. They are automatically assign Link Local Address by i/f. But WAN router operator configure another Link Local Address overwrite MAC based Link Local Address for routing protocols. So I think IP config model define Link Local Address separately IPv6 address. Yoshifumi Atarashi (11/07/27 9:35), Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 09:20:52AM -0400, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: >> I read RFC 6021. >> Generally, IPv6-address definition is no problem. But in only ip >> config and i/f case, I want to add Link Local Address separately. >> Because i/f depends on description of Link Local Address. It is >> special case. > What does "I want to add Link Local Address separately" mean? > Anyway, on Linux, ipaddr does not seem to make any distinction > whether you configure a global or link-local address. > > /js > From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Wed Jul 27 06:52:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007A011E80CD for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:52:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.014 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.014 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.235, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h63YKQXM4FYz for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA9B11E807A for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78F820C50; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:52:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6lLnCpZ0OalV; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A661020C49; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id DA61A1A1A9B5; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:52:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:52:45 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Yoshifumi Atarashi Message-ID: <20110727135243.GA10733@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Yoshifumi Atarashi , netmod@ietf.org References: <20110727121210.GA10319@elstar.local> <4E3010B4.4030504@alaxala.net> <20110727133507.GA10663@elstar.local> <4E3016B3.9090804@alaxala.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E3016B3.9090804@alaxala.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:52:56 -0000 On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 09:46:27AM -0400, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: > I know Linux and BSD implementation. > They are automatically assign Link Local Address by i/f. Yes, but that is outside the scope of the configuration model and not the point of the discussion (I thought). > But WAN router operator configure another Link Local Address > overwrite MAC based Link Local Address for routing protocols. So I > think IP config model define Link Local Address separately IPv6 > address. I just configured a second link local address manually on my Linux box and there was really no difference compared to configuring a global address as far as the command line interface is concerned. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From lhotka@cesnet.cz Wed Jul 27 06:57:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E1321F863E for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:57:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.54 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.54 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U1HLREqno9Vu for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89FE21F850B for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::8:5ab0:35ff:fe73:8f1d] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:8:5ab0:35ff:fe73:8f1d]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED1AF2CDE355; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:57:37 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-607891109; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <4E3016B3.9090804@alaxala.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:57:36 -0400 Message-Id: <25ED50C7-D72A-4595-AC9E-968C58766D75@cesnet.cz> References: <20110727121210.GA10319@elstar.local> <4E3010B4.4030504@alaxala.net> <20110727133507.GA10663@elstar.local> <4E3016B3.9090804@alaxala.net> To: Yoshifumi Atarashi X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:57:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail-4-607891109 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: > I know Linux and BSD implementation. > They are automatically assign Link Local Address by i/f. > But WAN router operator configure another Link Local Address overwrite > MAC based Link Local Address for routing protocols. > So I think IP config model define Link Local Address separately IPv6 > address. Link-local addresses are easily recognizable, so I don't see any need = for them to carry any tag or something. Additional link-local addresses = can be configured using the current data model. The only case that might not be covered is if an operator doesn't want = the LL address that is normally assigned automatically to each = interface. This could be achieved by a boolean leaf, e.g. = 'automatic-link-local-address', with a default value of "true". Lada > Yoshifumi Atarashi >=20 > (11/07/27 9:35), Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 09:20:52AM -0400, Yoshifumi Atarashi wrote: >>> I read RFC 6021. >>> Generally, IPv6-address definition is no problem. But in only ip >>> config and i/f case, I want to add Link Local Address separately. >>> Because i/f depends on description of Link Local Address. It is >>> special case. >> What does "I want to add Link Local Address separately" mean? >> Anyway, on Linux, ipaddr does not seem to make any distinction >> whether you configure a global or link-local address. >>=20 >> /js >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Ladislav Lhotka, CESNET PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C --Apple-Mail-4-607891109 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIISXzCCBGYw ggNOoAMCAQICEFEmCpMc4n+cw6VfeeByroIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgZMxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVT MQswCQYDVQQIEwJVVDEXMBUGA1UEBxMOU2FsdCBMYWtlIENpdHkxHjAcBgNVBAoTFVRoZSBVU0VS VFJVU1QgTmV0d29yazEhMB8GA1UECxMYaHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2VydHJ1c3QuY29tMRswGQYDVQQD ExJVVE4gLSBEQVRBQ29ycCBTR0MwHhcNMDUwNjA3MDgwOTEwWhcNMTkwNjI0MTkwNjMwWjBvMQsw 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j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Wed Jul 27 07:05:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4360121F8678 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:05:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.023 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.023 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.226, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jstwxxmZogVu for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9191F21F8666 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED12D20C53; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:05:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iUgQmsezqi83; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:05:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C384E20C52; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:05:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 0A2721A1AB0D; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:05:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:05:50 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Ladislav Lhotka Message-ID: <20110727140549.GB10796@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Ladislav Lhotka , Yoshifumi Atarashi , netmod@ietf.org References: <20110727121210.GA10319@elstar.local> <4E3010B4.4030504@alaxala.net> <20110727133507.GA10663@elstar.local> <4E3016B3.9090804@alaxala.net> <25ED50C7-D72A-4595-AC9E-968C58766D75@cesnet.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <25ED50C7-D72A-4595-AC9E-968C58766D75@cesnet.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:05:54 -0000 On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 09:57:36AM -0400, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > The only case that might not be covered is if an operator doesn't > want the LL address that is normally assigned automatically to each > interface. This could be achieved by a boolean leaf, > e.g. 'automatic-link-local-address', with a default value of "true". Yes, there will be a number of such knobs needed for IPv6 interfaces to control various functions of the IPv6 implementation. But yes, tagging addresses that are already tagged seems pointless. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From mbj@tail-f.com Thu Jul 28 05:50:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CA821F8C7A for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:50:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 46RXBPStrSHv for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (de-2007.d.ipeer.se [213.180.74.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387D221F8C66 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dhcp-12ac.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.18.172]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 375221200AFE for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:48:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <20110728.085006.491258043.mbj@tail-f.com> To: netmod@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3.50 on Emacs 23.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [netmod] interfaces-cfg - if-type X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:50:12 -0000 Hi, We talked about changing the 'type' leaf from an enumeration to an identityref, in order to make it extensible. Unfortunately, this doesn't work the way we want it to. This is how we would like to do it: module ietf-interfaces { ... identity interface-type { description "The base identity from which media-specific interface identities are derived."; } ... list interface { ... leaf type { type identityref { base interface-type; } ... } } } And the IANA module: module iana-if-type { ... import ietf-interfaces { prefix if; } ... identity ethernetCsmacd { base if:interface-type; ... } } And then in the media-specific module: module ex-ethernet { ... import iana-if-type { prefix ianaift; } ... augment "/if:interfaces/if:interface" { when "if:type = 'ianaift:ethernetCsmacd'"; container ethernet { leaf duplex { ... } } } The problem is the "when" expression that makes the augment conditional based on the type of the interface, and the problem is that XPath 1.0 does not support qualified names. So the "when" XPath expression above doesn't really work in XPath 1.0. The XPath evaluator would construct the string value of the "if:type" leaf, and compare this string value with the literal string "ianaift:ethernetCsmacd". It is not clear what the string value of an identityref is outside of an XML document. The good news is that I believe we can come up with a general solution to this problem. The bad news is that the solution requires a new YANG module and thus a new document. In order to avoid this problem, I suggest we keep the current if-type enumeration. Since some people already raised their concerns about using identityrefs, and there is already a mechanism in place for registering interface types, this seems to be a good solution. Comments? /martin From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Thu Jul 28 05:54:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D468221F8C34 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:54:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.028 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.028 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.221, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2UVofwIdJ0ZM for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6F121F8BED for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D4820C65; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:54:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14LKsQIEgwQC; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:53:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FEE20C64; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:53:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id CB0AC1A1C87D; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:53:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:53:57 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Martin Bjorklund Message-ID: <20110728125357.GA28965@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Martin Bjorklund , netmod@ietf.org References: <20110728.085006.491258043.mbj@tail-f.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110728.085006.491258043.mbj@tail-f.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] interfaces-cfg - if-type X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:54:01 -0000 On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 08:50:06AM -0400, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > In order to avoid this problem, I suggest we keep the current if-type > enumeration. Since some people already raised their concerns about > using identityrefs, and there is already a mechanism in place for > registering interface types, this seems to be a good solution. Speaking as technical contributor, I support keeping the if-type an enumeration. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From lhotka@cesnet.cz Thu Jul 28 08:21:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C1C21F8CD5 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:21:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CiHRE0tGOgsE for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57C221F8CCB for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::64:c62c:3ff:fe09:d0bc] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:64:c62c:3ff:fe09:d0bc]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8988F2CDE41F; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:21:05 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-699298870; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <20110728.085006.491258043.mbj@tail-f.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:21:04 -0400 Message-Id: References: <20110728.085006.491258043.mbj@tail-f.com> To: Martin Bjorklund X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] interfaces-cfg - if-type X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:21:09 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-699298870 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 28, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > The good news is that I believe we can come up with a general solution > to this problem. The bad news is that the solution requires a new > YANG module and thus a new document. It's even worse: it requires changes to the YANG specification. > > In order to avoid this problem, I suggest we keep the current if-type > enumeration. Since some people already raised their concerns about > using identityrefs, and there is already a mechanism in place for > registering interface types, this seems to be a good solution. Yes, I think it's the best solution in the current state of affairs. 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(elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABF320C61; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:21:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 32EFA1A1DAEA; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:21:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:21:44 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110728222144.GA31814@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: netmod@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [netmod] new wg documents for chartered work items X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:21:52 -0000 Hi, there was concensus at the IETF meeting to accept the following two submissions as WG documents adressing chartered work items. If you do not _not_ agree, please speak up now. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Thu Jul 28 15:36:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713E011E8082 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:36:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.201, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lGbaDkwt6XZz for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55AC11E807E for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB2A20C60 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:36:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2iYHNeGAePsa; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:36:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF5720C46; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:36:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1B0891A1DBD6; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:36:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:36:44 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110728223643.GA31861@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: netmod@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:36:48 -0000 Hi, during the last WG meeting, it was proposed to add a data model for the configuration of SNMP engines to the WG's charter. The starting point is and the following charter text addition (plus milestones) was proposed to cover this work: 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be compliant with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules for configuring SNMP engines. Done ­ Submission of individual draft(s) of an SNMP config data model Aug 2011 ­ Submit first working group draft of an SNMP config data model Nov 2011 ­ Submit SNMP config data model to the IESG (proposed standard) Please state your support or your concerns about adding this work to our charter. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From ietf@andybierman.com Thu Jul 28 15:38:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165C411E80A1 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:38:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 80AcZsV4maXI for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omr15.networksolutionsemail.com (omr15.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.65]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEA711E8082 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cm-omr12 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr15.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p6SMcjPI020888 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:38:45 -0400 Authentication-Results: cm-omr12 smtp.user=andy@andybierman.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authenticated-UID: andy@andybierman.com Received: from [130.129.64.253] ([130.129.64.253:45718] helo=[130.129.64.253]) by cm-omr12 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id B7/4A-22958-5F4E13E4; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:38:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4E31E4F4.3040700@andybierman.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:38:44 -0700 From: Andy Bierman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netmod@ietf.org References: <20110728223643.GA31861@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20110728223643.GA31861@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:38:47 -0000 On 07/28/2011 03:36 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > Hi, > > during the last WG meeting, it was proposed to add a data model for > the configuration of SNMP engines to the WG's charter. The starting > point is and the following > charter text addition (plus milestones) was proposed to cover this > work: > > 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be > compliant with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules for configuring SNMP > engines. > > Done ­ Submission of individual draft(s) of an SNMP config data model > Aug 2011 ­ Submit first working group draft of an SNMP config data model > Nov 2011 ­ Submit SNMP config data model to the IESG (proposed standard) > > Please state your support or your concerns about adding this work to > our charter. I support this work and I will commit to reviewing the draft (at least in WGLC, maybe before as well). > > /js > Andy From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Thu Jul 28 15:53:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C3211E80A1 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TWvu2-WqovbD for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADF711E80C9 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:53:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=LHzqPvGfYR/yQoefalnCg2089Lw60ROj7OzLHIfyPDbV61RiYO+NIPlvMfz568zY; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.30.226.77] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1QmZSL-00008p-UA for netmod@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:53:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001201cc4d79$fabeeda0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: References: <20110728223643.GA31861@elstar.local> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:59:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d8887f779e183b2ee288648b4772a12f4b0d2586f7033bb40e26350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.30.226.77 Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:53:38 -0000 Hi - > From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM > Subject: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition ... > 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be > compliant with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules for configuring SNMP > engines. ... > Please state your support or your concerns about adding this work to > our charter. What is "compliant" really supposed to mean in this context? Randy From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Thu Jul 28 15:56:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1250D11E80B5 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:56:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.051 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.051 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.198, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UMVya829AMce for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D8C11E80A1 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF45920C61; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:56:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nmjmB7BM4m4T; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:56:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B1920C57; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:56:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id D44C61A1DD6C; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:56:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:56:14 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Randy Presuhn Message-ID: <20110728225614.GA32028@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Randy Presuhn , netmod@ietf.org References: <20110728223643.GA31861@elstar.local> <001201cc4d79$fabeeda0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001201cc4d79$fabeeda0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:56:18 -0000 On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 03:59:16PM -0700, Randy Presuhn wrote: > Hi - > > > From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM > > Subject: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition > ... > > 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be > > compliant with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules for configuring SNMP > > engines. > ... > > Please state your support or your concerns about adding this work to > > our charter. > > What is "compliant" really supposed to mean in this context? Does s/compliant/consistent/ help? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Thu Jul 28 16:09:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D5021F8A70 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:09:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Co0CqvFk6gmG for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DAD21F8754 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:09:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=nQ6LqcYXEtRr/Es4+TwXPSk0nGPS4U6zS01q9g3r9x4ytgQQv3tPgAuGS1jZOCDl; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.30.226.77] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1QmZhh-0002CS-Np for netmod@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:09:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000601cc4d7c$32087400$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: References: <20110728223643.GA31861@elstar.local> <001201cc4d79$fabeeda0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <20110728225614.GA32028@elstar.local> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:15:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d8887f779e183b2ee2887faff61d393176aa355b654003700665350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.30.226.77 Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:09:26 -0000 Hi - > From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > To: "Randy Presuhn" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 03:59:16PM -0700, Randy Presuhn wrote: > > Hi - > > > > > From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM > > > Subject: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition > > ... > > > 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be > > > compliant with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules for configuring SNMP > > > engines. > > ... > > > Please state your support or your concerns about adding this work to > > > our charter. > > > > What is "compliant" really supposed to mean in this context? > > Does s/compliant/consistent/ help? Yes, though I hope common sense prevails in arguments about, for example, the use of indexes to simulate query capabilities, or maintaining OID "lexicographic" order in bulk responses or providing a semantic equivalent to getNext, or how (whether?) to map the semantics of vacmViewSpinLock. Randy From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Thu Jul 28 16:24:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D328811E8111 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:24:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.055 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.194, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l9R6bzwhLKgA for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D5B11E80C3 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E75E20C3C; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:24:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h2ENk9biqChE; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:24:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36E420C3B; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:24:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 686FB1A1DE69; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:24:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:24:35 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Randy Presuhn Message-ID: <20110728232433.GB32028@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Randy Presuhn , netmod@ietf.org References: <20110728223643.GA31861@elstar.local> <001201cc4d79$fabeeda0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <20110728225614.GA32028@elstar.local> <000601cc4d7c$32087400$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000601cc4d7c$32087400$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:24:39 -0000 On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 04:15:08PM -0700, Randy Presuhn wrote: > Hi - > > > From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > > To: "Randy Presuhn" > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 03:59:16PM -0700, Randy Presuhn wrote: > > > Hi - > > > > > > > From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM > > > > Subject: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition > > > ... > > > > 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be > > > > compliant with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules for configuring SNMP > > > > engines. > > > ... > > > > Please state your support or your concerns about adding this work to > > > > our charter. > > > > > > What is "compliant" really supposed to mean in this context? > > > > Does s/compliant/consistent/ help? > > Yes, though I hope common sense prevails in arguments about, > for example, the use of indexes to simulate query capabilities, or > maintaining OID "lexicographic" order in bulk responses or > providing a semantic equivalent to getNext, or how (whether?) > to map the semantics of vacmViewSpinLock. Consistent with "what is configurable", not necessarily consistent with the SNMP mechanics of configuring it. If you have better and more precise wording for the charter text, please share it. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From lhotka@cesnet.cz Thu Jul 28 16:28:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D7221F8620 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:28:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nm17OLCztdeW for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC4021F85A0 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::64:c62c:3ff:fe09:d0bc] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:64:c62c:3ff:fe09:d0bc]) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 192DD2CDE3DE; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:28:16 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-728530413; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <20110728223643.GA31861@elstar.local> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:28:15 -0400 Message-Id: <60A8EB8E-C9DB-4D1F-BC8D-066023D7DD24@cesnet.cz> References: <20110728223643.GA31861@elstar.local> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:28:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-728530413 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Jul 28, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > Hi, >=20 > during the last WG meeting, it was proposed to add a data model for > the configuration of SNMP engines to the WG's charter. The starting > point is and the following > charter text addition (plus milestones) was proposed to cover this > work: >=20 > 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be > compliant with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules for configuring = SNMP > engines. >=20 > Done =AD Submission of individual draft(s) of an SNMP config data = model > Aug 2011 =AD Submit first working group draft of an SNMP config data = model > Nov 2011 =AD Submit SNMP config data model to the IESG (proposed = standard) >=20 > Please state your support or your concerns about adding this work to > our charter. I support this addition. 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netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F2A21F86BE for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:40:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.732 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.732 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.867, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JXSv9Onl6cq4 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27BD21F86BC for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:40:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=jZgQIdF84xjEWOeb+t78v1vcpJeSr9k9i7Cjmp51yO/utD3OJldiYP/1Z7w+PoMu; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.30.226.77] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Qmd0U-0004VZ-0g for netmod@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:40:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002201cc4d99$c2cc3680$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: References: <20110728223643.GA31861@elstar.local> <001201cc4d79$fabeeda0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <20110728225614.GA32028@elstar.local> <000601cc4d7c$32087400$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <20110728232433.GB32028@elstar.local> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:46:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d8887f779e183b2ee28804530f93c50b93e3c2847c331790442a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.30.226.77 Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:40:59 -0000 Hi - > From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > To: "Randy Presuhn" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 04:15:08PM -0700, Randy Presuhn wrote: > > Hi - > > > > > From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > > > To: "Randy Presuhn" > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 03:59:16PM -0700, Randy Presuhn wrote: > > > > Hi - > > > > > > > > > From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM > > > > > Subject: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition > > > > ... > > > > > 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be > > > > > compliant with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules for configuring SNMP > > > > > engines. > > > > ... > > > > > Please state your support or your concerns about adding this work to > > > > > our charter. > > > > > > > > What is "compliant" really supposed to mean in this context? > > > > > > Does s/compliant/consistent/ help? > > > > Yes, though I hope common sense prevails in arguments about, > > for example, the use of indexes to simulate query capabilities, or > > maintaining OID "lexicographic" order in bulk responses or > > providing a semantic equivalent to getNext, or how (whether?) > > to map the semantics of vacmViewSpinLock. > > Consistent with "what is configurable", not necessarily consistent > with the SNMP mechanics of configuring it. If you have better and more > precise wording for the charter text, please share it. Perhaps this is what is meant? 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be capable of representing all SNMP engine configurations possible with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules. Randy From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Fri Jul 29 03:26:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EB321F8B13 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:26:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.058 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.058 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.191, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eVe-6CTFJBSb for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A0821F85AA for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED3C20C57; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:26:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bebp1evFrSXL; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:26:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A85B20C03; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:26:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 21C3F1A1E52C; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:26:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:26:17 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Randy Presuhn Message-ID: <20110729102617.GB33273@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Randy Presuhn , netmod@ietf.org References: <20110728223643.GA31861@elstar.local> <001201cc4d79$fabeeda0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <20110728225614.GA32028@elstar.local> <000601cc4d7c$32087400$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <20110728232433.GB32028@elstar.local> <002201cc4d99$c2cc3680$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002201cc4d99$c2cc3680$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:26:20 -0000 On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 07:46:46PM -0700, Randy Presuhn wrote: > Perhaps this is what is meant? > 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be > capable of representing all SNMP engine configurations possible > with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules. Yes, this might be a better wording. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From mbj@tail-f.com Fri Jul 29 05:33:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40D421F8BB6 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nJbGMDfMKCGD for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (de-2007.d.ipeer.se [213.180.74.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B8021F8B9F for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dhcp-12ac.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.18.172]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 428AA1200B58; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:31:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 08:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <20110729.083334.304026312.mbj@tail-f.com> To: randy_presuhn@mindspring.com From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <002201cc4d99$c2cc3680$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> References: <000601cc4d7c$32087400$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <20110728232433.GB32028@elstar.local> <002201cc4d99$c2cc3680$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3.50 on Emacs 23.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:33:40 -0000 "Randy Presuhn" wrote: > Perhaps this is what is meant? > 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be > capable of representing all SNMP engine configurations possible > with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules. This is not exactly what the current document tries to do. It is capabale of representing all "usable" configurations, but for example, the MIBs allow an snmpTargetParamsEntry with: snmpTargetParamsMPModel = 0 snmpTargetParamsSecurityModel = 3 but this is not possible in the YANG model. Here's another example: (copy&pasting from a comment...) # In some cases, the YANG model imposes stricter constraints on valid # configurations than the corresponding MIB model. For example, the # leaf "/snmp/community/tag" is a leafref, which means that in a valid # configuration, it MUST refer to an existing target tag, as defined in # ^RFC6020^. There is no such constraint the MIBs. /martin From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Fri Jul 29 05:53:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549DC21F8B99 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:53:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.061 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.061 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.188, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FrA2qS2PUWjO for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEB421F8AEC for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CB920C0F; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:53:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26FfwIejY-tz; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:53:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7655620BF6; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:53:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5B16A1A1E8DE; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:53:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:53:16 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Martin Bjorklund Message-ID: <20110729125316.GA33754@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Martin Bjorklund , randy_presuhn@mindspring.com, netmod@ietf.org References: <000601cc4d7c$32087400$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <20110728232433.GB32028@elstar.local> <002201cc4d99$c2cc3680$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <20110729.083334.304026312.mbj@tail-f.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110729.083334.304026312.mbj@tail-f.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:53:19 -0000 On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 08:33:34AM -0400, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > "Randy Presuhn" wrote: > > Perhaps this is what is meant? > > 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be > > capable of representing all SNMP engine configurations possible > > with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules. > > This is not exactly what the current document tries to do. It is > capabale of representing all "usable" configurations, but for example, > the MIBs allow an snmpTargetParamsEntry with: > > snmpTargetParamsMPModel = 0 > snmpTargetParamsSecurityModel = 3 > > but this is not possible in the YANG model. > > Here's another example: (copy&pasting from a comment...) > > # In some cases, the YANG model imposes stricter constraints on valid > # configurations than the corresponding MIB model. For example, the > # leaf "/snmp/community/tag" is a leafref, which means that in a valid > # configuration, it MUST refer to an existing target tag, as defined in > # ^RFC6020^. There is no such constraint the MIBs. What if we add "meaningful"? 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be capable of representing all meaningful SNMP engine configurations possible with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From mbj@tail-f.com Fri Jul 29 06:09:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B7B21F8BC9 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:09:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0ER7qwA1Et6a for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (de-2007.d.ipeer.se [213.180.74.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F3821F8BC8 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dhcp-12ac.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.18.172]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AEF6B1200B58; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:07:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <20110729.090859.317866012.mbj@tail-f.com> To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <20110729125316.GA33754@elstar.local> References: <002201cc4d99$c2cc3680$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <20110729.083334.304026312.mbj@tail-f.com> <20110729125316.GA33754@elstar.local> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.3.50 on Emacs 23.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] snmp configuration data model charter addition X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:09:03 -0000 Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > 5. Data model for configuring SNMP engines. The model must be > capable of representing all meaningful SNMP engine > configurations possible with the standard SNMPv3 MIB modules. This works for me. /martin From phil@juniper.net Fri Jul 29 07:50:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2571D21F8C43 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:50:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X1cpZ5iC0xhl for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og121.obsmtp.com (exprod7og121.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40BE21F8B66 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob121.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTjLIkpf/8BO9Bu2+VtqWJNk87z/oQfrO@postini.com; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:49:57 PDT Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:04:48 -0700 Received: from idle.juniper.net (idleski.juniper.net [172.25.4.26]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id p6TE4jv63417; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:04:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phil@juniper.net) Received: from idle.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idle.juniper.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p6TDcI7b092161; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:38:18 GMT (envelope-from phil@idle.juniper.net) Message-ID: <201107291338.p6TDcI7b092161@idle.juniper.net> To: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <20110725.174149.476300436.mbj@tail-f.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:38:18 -0400 From: Phil Shafer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] LL review of draft-bjorklund-netmod-ip-cfg-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:50:07 -0000 Martin Bjorklund writes: >> Worse: there's the idea of a primary interface for packets >> going out an interface, and the idea of an address for the >> entire box. So we have the "preferred" and "primary" flags. > >Could you suggest some 'description' text for such leafs? Check out: http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos9.5/information-products/topic-collections/config-guide-network-interfaces/interfaces-configuring-default-primary-and-preferred-addresses-and-interfaces.html http://books.google.com/books?id=JUJ-zPDayd4C&pg=PT232&lpg=PT232&dq=junos+primary+preferred+interface&source=bl&ots=ePQwE22qTa&sig=uw5TUnBSwBKRgJztnHbmioxDWiU&hl=en&ei=ur0yTpG1HMLYgAfe5b2uCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=junos%20primary%20preferred%20interface&f=false Thanks, Phil