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Sun, 1 Dec 2019 23:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 02483F406F2; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 23:52:41 -0800 (PST) To: dean@voltanet.io, bclaise@cisco.com, camoberg@cisco.com, ibagdona@gmail.com, warren@kumari.net, joelja@bogus.com, kent+ietf@watsen.net, lberger@labn.net X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com, netmod@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20191202075242.02483F406F2@rfc-editor.org> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 23:52:41 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 07:53:12 -0800 Subject: [netmod] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8199 (5924) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 07:52:43 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8199, "YANG Module Classification". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5924 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: Mohamed Boucadair Section: Section 6.1 Original Text ------------- 6.1. Normative References ... [RFC8049] Litkowski, S., Tomotaki, L., and K. Ogaki, "YANG Data Model for L3VPN Service Delivery", RFC 8049, DOI 10.17487/RFC8049, February 2017, . Corrected Text -------------- 6.1. Informative References ... [RFC8049] Litkowski, S., Tomotaki, L., and K. Ogaki, "YANG Data Model for L3VPN Service Delivery", RFC 8049, DOI 10.17487/RFC8049, February 2017, . Notes ----- RFC8049 is cited only as an example (Section 2.1): "An example of a Network Service YANG Module is in [RFC8049]..." Not sure why it was listed as normative. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC8199 (draft-ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification-08) -------------------------------------- Title : YANG Module Classification Publication Date : July 2017 Author(s) : D. Bogdanovic, B. Claise, C. 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Regards, B. > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8199, > "YANG Module Classification". > > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5924 > > -------------------------------------- > Type: Editorial > Reported by: Mohamed Boucadair > > Section: Section 6.1 > > Original Text > ------------- > 6.1. Normative References > > ... > > [RFC8049] Litkowski, S., Tomotaki, L., and K. Ogaki, "YANG Data > Model for L3VPN Service Delivery", RFC 8049, > DOI 10.17487/RFC8049, February 2017, > . > > Corrected Text > -------------- > 6.1. Informative References > > ... > > [RFC8049] Litkowski, S., Tomotaki, L., and K. Ogaki, "YANG Data > Model for L3VPN Service Delivery", RFC 8049, > DOI 10.17487/RFC8049, February 2017, > . > > Notes > ----- > RFC8049 is cited only as an example (Section 2.1): > > "An example of a Network Service YANG Module is in [RFC8049]..." > > Not sure why it was listed as normative. > > Instructions: > ------------- > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > -------------------------------------- > RFC8199 (draft-ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification-08) > -------------------------------------- > Title : YANG Module Classification > Publication Date : July 2017 > Author(s) : D. Bogdanovic, B. Claise, C. 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Balazs, your = response is still pending.

Kent // shepherd


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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00C0_01D5A9E0.F7738850" ------=_NextPart_001_00C0_01D5A9E0.F7738850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See below: BALAZS5. =20 From: Andy Bierman =20 Sent: 2019. november 19., kedd 1:17 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Cc: Martin Bjorklund ; NetMod WG Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04 the following text (or similar) should be added to the description-stmt = above This node SHOULD contain a single container instance which = represents either the /yang-library=20 or /modules-state subtree. This allows for exceptions but still provides interoperability = instructions. Andy BALAZS4: Others (e.g., Juergen) explicitly asked for not restricting = this to ietf-yang-library.=20 I would be happy with your proposals, but the group decided otherwise = sometime back. =20 =20 =20 A tool has to be coded to understand the contents of the anydata node. Just parsing it is not enough. =20 =20 Is there an email thread this is discussed and resolved? The term SHOULD allows the rule to be broken with a good reason.=20 What other data structures are needed now (or soon) other than = /modules-state or /yang-library? I do not see how this file is interoperable if the reader does not know = what to expect. Flexibility without interoperability is not success. =20 BALAZS5: Look at the last paragraph in the email: = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/h-gT2jg5Z5aREXTD-E7Yx6oi7PE =20 Also I foresee there might be (there will be) YANG modules that augment = yang-library with information needed here.=20 I am thinking about yang-versioning that plans to add the version-label, = which will help determining which versions of the of the YANG module are = compatible with the originally used schema defining modules. =20 I do not see how augment is relevant to this interoperability issue. =20 Andy =20 BALAZS5: The use case in mind is that = = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01#= section-5.2 augments the revision-label into YANG-library. = Revision-label can be used by the operator to understand which version = of the YANG Module (YAM) we are using, and what other versions are = compatible with it. This compatibility information that can be used by = the operator to determine if a server with a slightly updated module set = can use the instance data set. ------=_NextPart_001_00C0_01D5A9E0.F7738850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

See below: = BALAZS5.

 

From: = Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>
Sent: 2019. november = 19., kedd 1:17
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: Martin Bjorklund = <mbj@tail-f.com>; NetMod WG = <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [netmod] comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-04

the = following text (or similar) should be added to the description-stmt = above

  =   This node SHOULD contain a single container instance which = represents either the /yang-library 

  =    or /modules-state subtree.

This allows = for exceptions but still provides interoperability = instructions.

Andy

BALAZS4: = Others (e.g., Juergen) explicitly asked for not restricting this to = ietf-yang-library.

I would be = happy with your proposals, but the group decided otherwise sometime = back.

 <= /o:p>

 

 

A tool has to be coded to understand the contents of = the anydata node.

Just = parsing it is not enough.  

 

Is there an email thread this is discussed and = resolved?

The term SHOULD = allows the rule to be broken with a good = reason. 

What other = data structures are needed now (or soon) other than /modules-state or = /yang-library?

I do not = see how this file is interoperable if the reader does not know what to = expect.

Flexibility = without interoperability is not success.

 

BALAZS5:=C2=A0 Look at the last paragraph in the = email: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/h-gT2jg5Z5aREXTD-E7= Yx6oi7PE

 

Also I = foresee there might be (there will be)  YANG modules that augment = yang-library  with information needed here.

I am = thinking about yang-versioning that plans to add the version-label, = which will help determining which versions of the of the YANG module are = compatible with the originally used schema defining = modules.

 

I do not see how augment is relevant to this = interoperability issue.

 

Andy

 

BALAZS5: The use case in mind is that https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-verdt-netmod-yang-m= odule-versioning-01#section-5.2 augments the revision-label = into YANG-library. Revision-label can be used by the operator to = understand which version of the YANG Module (YAM) we are using, and what = other versions are compatible with it. This compatibility information = that can be used by the operator to determine if a server with a = slightly updated module set can use the instance data = set.

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following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 1 The "yang-data" extension from [RFC8040] has been copied here, renamed to "structure", and updated to be more flexible. There is no The Gen-Art reviewer had a good comment on this that should be acted upon. Section 2 This does not mean a YANG data structure has to be used as a top- level protocol message or other top-level data structure. I was confused by this until I got through Section 4, which (I think!) clarified that I need a top-level extension directive to "declare the named structure", but this is saying that once the structure is declared, it can be placed anywhere in the tree as a "node of structure type". Perhaps we could add a few words here to clarify, e.g., "YANG data structure, once defined," or "A YANG data structure can be used as any other data type, in the rest of the module"? Section 3 Do we need to say anything about how the child s under structure/augment-structure get printed? (I assume they get the same handling as for the datastore tree, but could be wrong.) The new sections, including spaces conventions is: structure : (I see four spaces between the column the paragraph starts in and the column the "structure" keyword starts in, not two.) [augment-structure] [...] The sub-statements of this extension MUST follow the ABNF rules below, where the rules are defined in RFC 7950: [status-stmt] [description-stmt] [reference-stmt] 1*(data-def-stmt / case-stmt) Comparing to RFC 7950's augment-stmt, we see that when-stmt and if-feature-stmt are not present; would those be used externally to the augment-structure declaration if needed? Section 6 I might consider adding a note that the data being modelled might have its own security considerations, but there's a pretty good case that this is already covered in RFC 7950 and thus would be redundant here. Appendix A.1 Using last+first as the only naming options (and the list keys) is perhaps a bit unfortunate, given, e.g., https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/ (which has been popularized several times on varous social-media sites over the years). I suppose it still suffices for the purposes of this example, though. Appendix A.3, A.4 As Alexey notes, maybe have two address entries in the example so that the reader sees the encoding of the list structure? From nobody Tue Dec 3 16:18:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4168D12008B; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 16:18:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext@ietf.org, Joel Jaeggli , netmod-chairs@ietf.org, joelja@gmail.com, netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <157541873026.4777.16036785628686534252.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 16:18:50 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 00:18:50 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 6. Recommend staying consistent with the standard YANG security considerations (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines) and at least include this following subset (or something like it) of the boiler plate language: The YANG module in this document defines an extension in the YANG data modeling language that will be imported and used by other modules. When imported and used, the resultant schema will have data nodes that can be writable, or readable. The access to such data nodes may be considered sensitive or vulnerable in some network environments. Write operations (e.g., edit-config) to these data nodes without proper protection can have a negative effect on network operations. Section 7.3. What purpose will this section serve when published? Is seems like it could be removed. The only use of the [1] reference is Appendix C which is supposed to be removed before publication. From nobody Wed Dec 4 01:35:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AB9120026; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 01:35:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AcAAsAsydU-l; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 01:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531E4120024; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 01:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.41]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28B0E1AE02AA; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:35:44 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 10:35:10 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20191204.103510.155420166972309571.mbj@tail-f.com> To: kaduk@mit.edu, noreply@ietf.org Cc: iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext@ietf.org, joelja@gmail.com, netmod-chairs@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <157539877208.24851.10333944750255427374.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <157539877208.24851.10333944750255427374.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 09:35:47 -0000 Hi, Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker wrote: > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Section 1 > > The "yang-data" extension from [RFC8040] has been copied here, > renamed to "structure", and updated to be more flexible. There is no > > The Gen-Art reviewer had a good comment on this that should be acted > upon. Yes. This is now changed to: This document defines a new YANG extension statement called "structure", which is similar to but more flexible than the "yang-data" extension from [RFC8040]. > Section 2 > > This does not mean a YANG data structure has to be used as a top- > level protocol message or other top-level data structure. > > I was confused by this until I got through Section 4, which (I think!) > clarified that I need a top-level extension directive to "declare the > named structure", but this is saying that once the structure is > declared, it can be placed anywhere in the tree as a "node of structure > type". It means that once a structure is defined, we don't put any limitations on how / where it is used. It might be used to define some kind of message that is used on its own, or it might be used to define a structure that can be nested within some other data. An example of the latter is given in A.5. > Perhaps we could add a few words here to clarify, e.g., "YANG > data structure, once defined," or "A YANG data structure can be used as > any other data type, in the rest of the module"? Yes, the former is better. The sentence now reads: This does not mean a YANG data structure, once defined, has to be used as a top-level protocol message or other top-level data structure. > Section 3 > > Do we need to say anything about how the child s under > structure/augment-structure get printed? (I assume they get the same > handling as for the datastore tree, but could be wrong.) They do. Perhaps we can add: Nodes in YANG data structures are printed according to the rules defined in section 2.6 in [RFC8340]. > > The new sections, including spaces conventions is: > > structure : > > (I see four spaces between the column the paragraph starts in and the > column the "structure" keyword starts in, not two.) Thanks, fixed. > [augment-structure] > [...] > The sub-statements of this extension MUST follow the ABNF > rules below, where the rules are defined in RFC 7950: > > [status-stmt] > [description-stmt] > [reference-stmt] > 1*(data-def-stmt / case-stmt) > > Comparing to RFC 7950's augment-stmt, we see that when-stmt and > if-feature-stmt are not present; would those be used externally to the > augment-structure declaration if needed? I will discuss this with my co-author and get back. It might be an oversight. > Section 6 > > I might consider adding a note that the data being modelled might have > its own security considerations, but there's a pretty good case that > this is already covered in RFC 7950 and thus would be redundant here. Yes I think that since we specifically refer to the text in 7950 we shouldn't just repeat that text. I guess we could repeat the text from 7950 and remove the reference, but I think I would prefer to keep the ref. > Appendix A.1 > > Using last+first as the only naming options (and the list keys) is > perhaps a bit unfortunate, given, e.g., > https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/ > (which has been popularized several times on varous social-media sites > over the years). > I suppose it still suffices for the purposes of this example, though. I was going to suggest to use a single key "name", but that would break his issues 1-4... So hopefully the current list is ok; it is just an example. > Appendix A.3, A.4 > > As Alexey notes, maybe have two address entries in the example so > that the reader sees > the encoding of the list structure? Ok, it doesn't hurt to add it, although I don't think that this document is the right place to show examples of standard YANG encoding rules. 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Balazs, your response is still pending. =20 Kent // shepherd =20 On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Kent Watsen > wrote: =20 To each author and contributor listed on the "To" line. In order to complete the Adoption poll, are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default? Please Reply-All to *this* email = and state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If "yes", has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If "yes" again, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of = any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response = has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO = ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed = as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR = rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on = an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs = listed above and = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Kent // as Shepherd _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org =20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod =20 ------=_NextPart_001_011D_01D5AA8F.19EC00C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"No, I'm not aware of = any IPR that applies to this draft"

Balazs

 

From: Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net>
Sent: 2019. december 2., = h=E9tf=F5 17:23
To: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; = Bal=E1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>; Ye Niu = <niuye@huawei.com>
Cc: = netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netmod] IPR poll on = draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default

 

Qin and Ye, = thank you  for your responses.

Balazs, your response is still = pending.

 

Kent // shepherd

 



On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> = wrote:

 

To = each author and contributor listed on the "To" line.

In = order to complete the Adoption poll, are you aware of any IPR that = applies
to draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default?  Please = Reply-All to *this* email and state either:

"No, I'm not = aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, = I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If = "yes", has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR = rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If = "yes" again, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR = has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR = rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional = details you think appropriate.

If you are listed as a document = author or contributor please answer the above by
responding to this = email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. =  This document will not advance to the next stage until a response = has been
received from each author and listed contributor. =  NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL
OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO = LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but = are not listed as an author
or contributor, we remind you of your = obligations under the IETF IPR rules which
encourages you to notify = the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF
contribution, = or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion = related
to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the = RFCs listed above
and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/= group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.


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<20191204.111534.1623958569286243992.mbj@tail-f.com> To: rdd@cert.org, noreply@ietf.org Cc: iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext@ietf.org, joelja@gmail.com, netmod-chairs@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <157541873026.4777.16036785628686534252.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <157541873026.4777.16036785628686534252.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 10:16:13 -0000 Roman Danyliw via Datatracker wrote: > Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Section 6. Recommend staying consistent with the standard YANG > security considerations > (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines) and > at least include this following subset (or something like it) of the > boiler plate language: > > The YANG module in this document defines an extension in the YANG data > modeling language that will be imported and used by other modules. When > imported and used, the resultant schema will have data nodes that can > be writable, or readable. The access to such data nodes may be > considered sensitive or vulnerable in some network environments. > Write operations (e.g., edit-config) to these data nodes without > proper protection can have a negative effect on network operations. Hmm, I can't find this text in the boilerplate. As discussed with Benjamin Kaduk, we believe that the reference to 7950 is sufficient. > Section 7.3. What purpose will this section serve when published? Is seems > like it could be removed. The only use of the [1] reference is Appendix C > which is supposed to be removed before publication. I have removed both 7.3 and Appendix C from my local copy. /martin From nobody Wed Dec 4 04:58:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A560F12080F; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 04:58:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <157546429662.11240.8044072539997668846@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 04:58:16 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 12:58:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Instance Data File Format Authors : Balazs Lengyel Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2019-12-03 Abstract: There is a need to document data defined in YANG models when a live server is not available. Data is often needed already at design or implementation time or needed by groups that do not have a live running server available. This document specifies a standard file format for YANG instance data (which follows the syntax and semantic from existing YANG models, re-using the same format as the reply to a operation/request) and annotates it with metadata. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Dec 4 08:39:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2A0120839; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:39:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alissa Cooper via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext@ietf.org, Joel Jaeggli , netmod-chairs@ietf.org, joelja@gmail.com, netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alissa Cooper Message-ID: <157547756290.11075.17846628777512184796.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 08:39:22 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:39:23 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please make the edit agreed from the Gen-ART review. 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Martin, thanks for your response. I = entered a No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Oct 21, 2019, at 3:37 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Brian Carpenter via Datatracker > wrote: >> Reviewer: Brian Carpenter >> Review result: Ready with Nits >>=20 >> Gen-ART Last Call & telechat review of = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04 >>=20 >> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area >> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed >> by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please wait for direction from your >> document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. >>=20 >> For more information, please see the FAQ at >> . >>=20 >> Document: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04.txt >> Reviewer: Brian Carpenter >> Review Date: 2019-10-20 >> IETF LC End Date: TBD >> IESG Telechat date: 2019-10-31 >>=20 >> Summary: Ready with nits >> -------- >>=20 >> Comments:=20 >> --------- >>=20 >> This was accidentally put on the IESG agenda without an IETF Last = Call, >> so this review serves both purposes. >>=20 >> The draft seems very clear and I have no technical comments. >>=20 >> Nits: >> ----- >>=20 >>> Updates: 8340 (if approved) >>> Intended status: Standards Track >>=20 >> RFC 8340 is a BCP, so can this really be Standards Track? >> Shouldn't it also be BCP, extending BCP 215? It's tricky, >> because it also effectively extends RFC 8040, which is >> Standards Track rather than BCP. Sadly it doesn't seem that >> a document can be both BCP and Standards Track. >=20 > Hmm, the main contribution in this document (the "structure" > extension), is not suitable as a BCP. It is really just section 3 > that updates 8340. I don't know to to resolve this, and will look at > the document shepard for guidance! >=20 >> Also, this draft says: >>=20 >>> The "yang-data" extension from [RFC8040] has been copied here, >>> renamed to "structure", and updated to be more flexible. >>=20 >> That reads as if RFC 8040 is also updated, and it leaves the >> status of "yang-data" unclear. Is it now deprecated? Perhaps the >> sentence would be clearer like this: >>=20 >> This document defines a new YANG extension statement called >> "structure", which is similar to but more flexible than the >> "yang-data" extension from [RFC8040]. >=20 >=20 > Thank you, this is better! >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art = --Apple-Mail=_DAA91EEB-DF40-4B0A-BF9C-9A5B30ED101C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Brian, thanks for your review. Martin, thanks for your = response. I entered a No Objection ballot.

Alissa

On Oct = 21, 2019, at 3:37 AM, Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> = wrote:

Hi,

Brian Carpenter via Datatracker = <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
Reviewer: Brian Carpenter
Review result: Ready = with Nits

Gen-ART Last Call & telechat = review of draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04

I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The = General Area
Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF = documents being processed
by the IESG for the IETF Chair. = Please wait for direction from your
document shepherd or = AD before posting a new version of the draft.

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<http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq>= .

Document: = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04.txt
Reviewer: Brian = Carpenter
Review Date: 2019-10-20
IETF LC = End Date: TBD
IESG Telechat date: 2019-10-31

Summary: Ready with nits
--------

Comments: 
---------

This was accidentally put on the IESG agenda = without an IETF Last Call,
so this review serves both = purposes.

The draft seems very clear and I = have no technical comments.

Nits:
-----

Updates: 8340 (if approved)
Intended status: = Standards Track

RFC 8340 is a = BCP, so can this really be Standards Track?
Shouldn't it = also be BCP, extending BCP 215? It's tricky,
because it = also effectively extends RFC 8040, which is
Standards = Track rather than BCP. Sadly it doesn't seem that
a = document can be both BCP and Standards Track.

Hmm, the main contribution in this document (the = "structure"
extension), = is not suitable as a BCP.  It is really just section 3
that updates 8340.  I don't = know to to resolve this, and will look at
the document shepard for guidance!

Also, = this draft says:

 The "yang-data" extension from [RFC8040] has been = copied here,
 renamed to "structure", and updated to = be more flexible.

That reads = as if RFC 8040 is also updated, and it leaves the
status = of "yang-data" unclear. Is it now deprecated? Perhaps the
sentence would be clearer like this:

 This document defines a new YANG extension statement = called
 "structure", which is similar to but more = flexible than the
 "yang-data" extension from = [RFC8040].


Thank you, this is better!


/martin

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This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Factory Default Setting Authors : Qin Wu Balazs Lengyel Ye Niu Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-08.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2019-12-04 Abstract: This document defines a method to reset a server to its factory- default content. The reset operation may be used, e.g., when the existing configuration has major errors so re-starting the configuration process from scratch is the best option. A new factory-reset RPC is defined. When resetting a datastore, all previous configuration settings will be lost and replaced by the factory-default content. A new optional "factory-default" read-only datastore is defined, that contains the data that will be copied over to the running datastore at reset. 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Thu, 5 Dec 2019 00:02:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I8m1AaKAr1FH; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 00:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34ED51200B3; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 00:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.41]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93CF01B04D92; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:02:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 09:01:49 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20191205.090149.2019624525159947827.mbj@tail-f.com> To: kaduk@mit.edu, noreply@ietf.org Cc: iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext@ietf.org, joelja@gmail.com, netmod-chairs@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <20191204.103510.155420166972309571.mbj@tail-f.com> References: <157539877208.24851.10333944750255427374.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <20191204.103510.155420166972309571.mbj@tail-f.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 08:02:28 -0000 Hi, See one more reply inline. Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Hi, > > Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker wrote: > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04: No Objection > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Section 1 > > > > The "yang-data" extension from [RFC8040] has been copied here, > > renamed to "structure", and updated to be more flexible. There is no > > > > The Gen-Art reviewer had a good comment on this that should be acted > > upon. > > Yes. This is now changed to: > > This document defines a new YANG extension statement called > "structure", which is similar to but more flexible than the > "yang-data" extension from [RFC8040]. > > > > Section 2 > > > > This does not mean a YANG data structure has to be used as a top- > > level protocol message or other top-level data structure. > > > > I was confused by this until I got through Section 4, which (I think!) > > clarified that I need a top-level extension directive to "declare the > > named structure", but this is saying that once the structure is > > declared, it can be placed anywhere in the tree as a "node of structure > > type". > > It means that once a structure is defined, we don't put any limitations > on how / where it is used. It might be used to define some kind of > message that is used on its own, or it might be used to define a > structure that can be nested within some other data. > > An example of the latter is given in A.5. > > > Perhaps we could add a few words here to clarify, e.g., "YANG > > data structure, once defined," or "A YANG data structure can be used as > > any other data type, in the rest of the module"? > > Yes, the former is better. The sentence now reads: > > This does not mean a YANG data structure, once defined, has to be > used as a top-level protocol message or other top-level data > structure. > > > Section 3 > > > > Do we need to say anything about how the child s under > > structure/augment-structure get printed? (I assume they get the same > > handling as for the datastore tree, but could be wrong.) > > They do. Perhaps we can add: > > Nodes in YANG data structures are printed according to the rules > defined in section 2.6 in [RFC8340]. > > > > > > The new sections, including spaces conventions is: > > > > structure : > > > > (I see four spaces between the column the paragraph starts in and the > > column the "structure" keyword starts in, not two.) > > Thanks, fixed. > > > [augment-structure] > > [...] > > The sub-statements of this extension MUST follow the ABNF > > rules below, where the rules are defined in RFC 7950: > > > > [status-stmt] > > [description-stmt] > > [reference-stmt] > > 1*(data-def-stmt / case-stmt) > > > > Comparing to RFC 7950's augment-stmt, we see that when-stmt and > > if-feature-stmt are not present; would those be used externally to the > > augment-structure declaration if needed? > > I will discuss this with my co-author and get back. It might be an > oversight. If you need "if-feature" or "when" in this situation you can put it on the nodes inside the "augment-structure". For example, instead of: augment-structure ... { if-feature x; container y; } you would do: augment-structure ... { container y { if-feature x; } } and similar for "when". /martin > > > Section 6 > > > > I might consider adding a note that the data being modelled might have > > its own security considerations, but there's a pretty good case that > > this is already covered in RFC 7950 and thus would be redundant here. > > Yes I think that since we specifically refer to the text in 7950 we > shouldn't just repeat that text. I guess we could repeat the text > from 7950 and remove the reference, but I think I would prefer to keep > the ref. > > > Appendix A.1 > > > > Using last+first as the only naming options (and the list keys) is > > perhaps a bit unfortunate, given, e.g., > > https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/ > > (which has been popularized several times on varous social-media sites > > over the years). > > I suppose it still suffices for the purposes of this example, though. > > I was going to suggest to use a single key "name", but that would > break his issues 1-4... So hopefully the current list is ok; it is > just an example. > > > Appendix A.3, A.4 > > > > As Alexey notes, maybe have two address entries in the example so > > that the reader sees > > the encoding of the list structure? > > Ok, it doesn't hurt to add it, although I don't think that this > document is the right place to show examples of standard YANG encoding > rules. I'll add one more address. > > > /martin > From nobody Thu Dec 5 07:39:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A33512004F for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 07:39:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=CWT67vs5; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com header.b=ktVnVQ8I Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TtlNs2k3rrnW for ; Thu, 5 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The following type was proposed to me. Would it be interesting for others? In some cases were the length of the identifier matters this can be useful e.g. on a user interface or in an SNMP packet. typedef abridged-instance-identifier { type string ; description "An instance-identifier in which the prefix is not repeated. The prefix is omitted where ever the last included prefix is the same as the one that would be present for the current data-node. The original instance-identifier syntax would be /ex:system/ex:user[ex:name='fred']/other:type The corresponding abridged-instance-identifier format is /ex:system/user[name='fred']/other:type"; } Regards Balazs -- Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist Ericsson Hungary Ltd. Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com ------=_NextPart_001_02A8_01D5AC44.197CF1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello.

The = following type was proposed to me. Would it be interesting =A0for = others?

In some cases were the length = of the identifier matters this can be useful e.g. on a user interface or = in an SNMP packet.

 

 

typedef = abridged-instance-identifier {

=A0=A0=A0 type string ;

=A0=A0=A0 description "An instance-identifier in = which the prefix is not repeated.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 The prefix is omitted where ever the = last included prefix is the=A0

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0same as the one that would be = present for the current data-node.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0The original instance-identifier = syntax would be

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0/ex:system/ex:user[ex:name=3D'f= red']/other:type

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 The = corresponding abridged-instance-identifier format is

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = /ex:system/user[name=3D'fred']/other:type";

=A0 }=A0=A0=A0

 

Regards = Balazs

 

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Balazs = Lengyel=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Senior = Specialist=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 Ericsson Hungary Ltd.

Mobile: = +36-70-330-7909=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com

 

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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2019 03:42:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Factory Default Setting Authors : Qin Wu Balazs Lengyel Ye Niu Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-09.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2019-12-06 Abstract: This document defines a method to reset a server to its factory- default content. The reset operation may be used, e.g., when the existing configuration has major errors so re-starting the configuration process from scratch is the best option. A new factory-reset RPC is defined. When resetting a datastore, all previous configuration settings will be lost and replaced by the factory-default content. A new optional "factory-default" read-only datastore is defined, that contains the data that will be copied over to the running datastore at reset. 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This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Structure Extensions Authors : Andy Bierman Martin Bjorklund Kent Watsen Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-05.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2019-12-09 Abstract: This document describes YANG mechanisms for defining abstract data structures with YANG. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, A few years ago there were a few discussions on the list about tools to val= idate instance data (e.g. the data returned by a ) against a YA= NG model. yang2dsdl is one option but I'm pretty sure it doesn't actually check the d= ata against 'must' statements. Are there some tools that check against 'must' (and 'when') statements? Do= those tools also work with YANG 1.1 modules? Thx, Jason ###########################################################################= ########################### Re: [netmod] Toolchain upgraded to yangdump-pro 16.10-5 =3D> 16.10-5.1 Ladislav Lhotka Tue, 07 March 2017 12:42 UTCShow header Kent Watsen ; writes: > Hi Benoit, > > You seem to know the ins and outs of many tools these days, maybe you > can point me in the right direction...which tool is able to validate > instance documents against YANG 1.1 modules? Yangson can validate JSON documents: https://github.com/CZ-NIC/yangson > > I've always used `yang2dsdl`, but currently it outputs "DSDL plugin > supports only YANG version 1". I considered updating the DSDL plugin to 1.1 but it turned up to be immensely difficult - it would basically require a complete rewrite. And even then, the Schematron implementation that is included in pyang distribution won't support the new XPath functions. Lada ###########################################################################= ########################### Re: [netmod] DSDL plugin in pyang Ladislav Lhotka Tue, 29 November 2016 13:39 UTCShow header<= https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/o6XNsZ2BA0kBL9bv4oG7LH1yq4k> Hi William, apart from yang2dsdl, I have personal experience with these two instance va= lidation tools: * yanglint - written in C, supports both XML and JSON instance encoding https://github.com/CESNET/libyang * yangson - written in Python, supports only JSON https://github.com/CZ-NIC/yangson installation: pip install yangson manual page: http://yangson.readthedocs.io/en/latest/cmdline.html Lada William Lupton ; writes: > Are you able to provide a list (either privately or via the NETMOD list) = of other instance data validators that are available and cover YANG 1.1 fea= tures? Tx, W. > >> On 25 Nov 2016, at 14:33, Ladislav Lhotka ; wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> for users of $subj: I modified the plugin so that it now immediately ref= uses to process modules of yang-version greater than 1. Supporting some of = the YANG 1.1 features (new XPath functions, leafref handling) would require= massive changes and I cannot do them now - I am not even sure it is worth = the effort given that other instance data validators are available. >> >> Lada -- ###########################################################################= ########################### --_000_VI1PR07MB3981BBE54D2E235648758C209B550VI1PR07MB3981eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

A few years ago there were a few discussions on the = list about tools to validate instance data (e.g. the data returned by a <= ;get-config>) against a YANG model.

 

yang2dsdl is one option but I'm pretty sure it doesn= 't actually check the data against 'must' statements.

 

Are there some tools that check against 'must' (and = 'when') statements?  Do those tools also work with YANG 1.1 modules?

 

Thx,

Jason

 

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Re: [netmod] Toolchain upgraded to yangdump-pro 16.10-5 =3D> 16.10-5= .1

Ladislav Lhotk= a <lhotka@nic.cz> Tue, 07 March 2017 12:42 UTCShow head= er 

Kent Watsen <kwatsen@=
juniper.net>; writes:
 
> Hi Benoit,
> 
> You seem to know the ins and outs of many tools these days, maybe=
 you
> can point me in the right direction...which tool is able to valid=
ate
> instance documents against YANG 1.1 modules?
 
Yangson can validate JSON documents:
 
https://github.com/CZ-NI=
C/yangson
 
> 
> I've always used `yang2dsdl`, but currently it outputs "DSDL=
 plugin
> supports only YANG version 1".
 
I considered updating the DSDL plugin to 1.1 but it turned up to be
immensely difficult - it would basically require a complete rewrite. A=
nd
even then, the Schematron implementation that is included in pyang
distribution won't support the new XPath functions.
 
Lada

 

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Re: [netmod] DSDL plugin in pyang

Ladislav Lhotk= a <lhotka@nic.cz> Tue, 29 November 2016 13:39 UTCShow h= eader 

Hi William,
 
apart from yang2dsdl, I have personal experience with these two instan=
ce validation tools:
 
* yanglint - written in C, supports both XML and JSON instance encodin=
g
 
  https://github.co=
m/CESNET/libyang
 
* yangson - written in Python, supports only JSON
 
  https://github.co=
m/CZ-NIC/yangson
  installation: pip install yangson
  manual page: http://yangson.readthedocs.io/en/latest/cmdline.html
 
Lada
 
William Lupton <wlupton@broadband-forum.org>; writes:
 
> Are you able to provide a list (either privately or via the NETMO=
D list) of other instance data validators that are available and cover YANG=
 1.1 features? Tx, W.
> 
>> On 25 Nov 2016, at 14:33, Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz>; wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> for users of $subj: I modified the plugin so that it now imme=
diately refuses to process modules of yang-version greater than 1. Supporti=
ng some of the YANG 1.1 features (new XPath functions, leafref handling) wo=
uld require massive changes and I cannot do them now - I am not even sure i=
t is worth the effort given that other instance data validators are availab=
le.
>> 
>> Lada
 
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--_000_VI1PR07MB3981BBE54D2E235648758C209B550VI1PR07MB3981eurp_-- From nobody Thu Dec 12 23:58:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111D51200F7 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:58:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hbl5D-JzgzmH for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A07A11200EF for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from birdie (unknown [IPv6:2001:1488:fffe:6:a744:2697:a0ec:a420]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 74A10140D18 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:58:52 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1576223932; bh=eNW8s6RLzBGZyO/izvbqt4/WY+Sqg316nqBT7Beo14I=; h=From:To:Date; b=dGar8CdhaEUkWJXhBjMCzOLoyXUaMt5nlcWyFVw0TJd4lSQuEsHWvnjrhQCW92roe kjzgwT2tnmmw8NFhhgH8PQjFWfJODFvh8gsEAgW9c9m20shqyFCxANR2fjMziVHwAa MA9KnuZO2BzAACL25gemT62DBhcPqG4oy0L3g/YI= Message-ID: From: Ladislav Lhotka To: netmod@ietf.org Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:58:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Organization: CZ.NIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.3 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] validating instance data against YANG schema including 'must' statements X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 07:58:58 -0000 On Thu, 2019-12-12 at 16:42 +0000, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) wrote: > Hi all, > > A few years ago there were a few discussions on the list about tools to > validate instance data (e.g. the data returned by a ) against a > YANG model. > > yang2dsdl is one option but I'm pretty sure it doesn't actually check the data > against 'must' statements. > > Are there some tools that check against 'must' (and 'when') statements? Do > those tools also work with YANG 1.1 modules? Yangson does a complete validation, and supports YANG 1.1, but only JSON representation of instance data. The GitHub link is below, a PyPI package is also available: https://pypi.org/project/yangson/ Lada > > Thx, > Jason > > ############################################################################## > ######################## > Re: [netmod] Toolchain upgraded to yangdump-pro 16.10-5 => 16.10-5..1 > Ladislav Lhotka Tue, 07 March 2017 12:42 UTCShow header > > Kent Watsen ; writes: > > > Hi Benoit, > > > > You seem to know the ins and outs of many tools these days, maybe you > > can point me in the right direction...which tool is able to validate > > instance documents against YANG 1.1 modules? > > Yangson can validate JSON documents: > > https://github.com/CZ-NIC/yangson > > > > > I've always used `yang2dsdl`, but currently it outputs "DSDL plugin > > supports only YANG version 1". > > I considered updating the DSDL plugin to 1.1 but it turned up to be > immensely difficult - it would basically require a complete rewrite. And > even then, the Schematron implementation that is included in pyang > distribution won't support the new XPath functions. > > Lada > > ############################################################################## > ######################## > > Re: [netmod] DSDL plugin in pyang > Ladislav Lhotka Tue, 29 November 2016 13:39 UTCShow header > > Hi William, > > apart from yang2dsdl, I have personal experience with these two instance > validation tools: > > * yanglint - written in C, supports both XML and JSON instance encoding > > https://github.com/CESNET/libyang > > * yangson - written in Python, supports only JSON > > https://github.com/CZ-NIC/yangson > installation: pip install yangson > manual page: http://yangson.readthedocs.io/en/latest/cmdline.html > > Lada > > William Lupton ; writes: > > > Are you able to provide a list (either privately or via the NETMOD list) of > other instance data validators that are available and cover YANG 1.1 features? > Tx, W. > > > >> On 25 Nov 2016, at 14:33, Ladislav Lhotka ; wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> for users of $subj: I modified the plugin so that it now immediately > refuses to process modules of yang-version greater than 1. Supporting some of > the YANG 1.1 features (new XPath functions, leafref handling) would require > massive changes and I cannot do them now - I am not even sure it is worth the > effort given that other instance data validators are available. > >> > >> Lada > > -- > > ############################################################################## > ######################## > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Mon Dec 16 01:54:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4A4120127 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 01:54:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hq.sk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EwVb66ZbtONk for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 01:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.hq.sk (hq.sk [81.89.59.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B69A120129 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 01:54:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nitebug.nitenet.local (46.229.239.158.host.vnet.sk [46.229.239.158]) by mail.hq.sk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 78D4C243BB7; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 10:54:04 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hq.sk; s=mail; t=1576490044; bh=Xvr9iA+GWvkmn9LO1+xyRl4U73d7IIdJexfiuNLhP+A=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=m6W7lu0bAa7I13mom3xv6hx4nGb7rBEyudVP0nw8WI5zRtaGVNvD41/B2/RI9nF2H I9AyTAUELzz8ZymH7COv03wwfjXDtqosGxFYAIT+CGCKaGndzMD8ICgySIFt78c+TI g2j6hWmGmqGgENdD2vAQWBepvWGI1D8/SFlimMhc= To: =?UTF-8?Q?Bal=c3=a1zs_Lengyel?= , "'netmod@ietf.org'" References: From: Robert Varga Message-ID: <7f519626-1be2-2ace-22ab-d58110dfc65d@hq.sk> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 10:53:58 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Qr1B5CcFbjdSlf3xJ4MVbTjpSHk5Y7Hte" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] RFC 6991bis: Abridged-instance-identifier X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 09:54:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Qr1B5CcFbjdSlf3xJ4MVbTjpSHk5Y7Hte Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nOyRCveH4KNwMA8ljoNAZW1PfYFAy1m4F" --nOyRCveH4KNwMA8ljoNAZW1PfYFAy1m4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/12/2019 14:47, Bal=E1zs Lengyel wrote: > Hello. >=20 > The following type was proposed to me. Would it be interesting =A0for o= thers? >=20 > In some cases were the length of the identifier matters this can be > useful e.g. on a user interface or in an SNMP packet. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > =A0 >=20 > typedef abridged-instance-identifier { >=20 > =A0=A0=A0 type string ; >=20 > =A0=A0=A0 description "An instance-identifier in which the prefix is no= t repeated. >=20 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 The prefix is omitted where ever the last included pref= ix is the=A0 >=20 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0same as the one that would be present for the current= data-node. >=20 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0The original instance-identifier syntax would be >=20 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0/ex:system/ex:user[ex:name=3D'fred']/other:type= >=20 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 The corresponding abridged-instance-identifier format i= s >=20 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 /ex:system/user[name=3D'fred']/other:type"; >=20 > =A0 }=A0=A0=20 Well, this smells a bit like a layering violation :) RFC7951 already does something similar without requiring a definition of a new type (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7951#section-6.11). Perhaps RFC7950bis (or rather, its XML companion if the split ever happens) should allow for such abbreviated syntax? 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The main objection, raised in DNSOP WG in relation to draft-lhotka-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang-02, was that the RFC containing the initial revision of the module doesn't get updated along with the IANA registry (IANA is expected to keep the module in sync without updating the RFC). As a result implementors can use the obsolete snapshot from the RFC. > > I am aware of three solution proposals: > > 1. use some kind of template instead of a YANG module Followup: template turned out to be the right buzzword! Instead of the initial revision of a YANG module, it is possible to include an XSLT stylesheet and instruct IANA to use it for generating the initial revision of the module directly from the XML version of the registry. I used this approach in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang-00 Could this be a recommended way for converting other IANA registries? Lada > > 2. include only two or three entries of the registry as examples so > that it is clear that it is not the complete list > > 3. keep the module in the document during the whole I-D stage but > instruct the RFC Editor to remove it just before it becomes RFC. > > I am personally in favour of #3. According to Randy Presuhn, who proposed it, this procedure was used during the preparation of BCP 47. It would require some extra coordination with with IANA but, apart from that, it should IMO work well and avoid the problem mentioned above. > > Thanks, Lada > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Wed Dec 18 05:42:15 2019 Return-Path: <0100016f193e9208-9c64b808-74b8-4863-b1ff-d197deb455f3-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F7212004C for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 05:42:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M2uSSUnMbXvs for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 05:42:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 931D612003E for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 05:42:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1576676529; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=aAyQdNYbhJAVfuPpl92SYwg5+/aIv7Dr7/nVYK67QFQ=; b=F3Vp3wvXQTOwOGNhev75sBI0fyHFsKRqB3nCgAvZxPV4MAfRFJnbuP8M8u/d5Xox ZRlUf2YOem0/mBmxkpB1LZOuB/BSMO0ExkVt2q2cTeh3195wTg0SO6OErHEydczlb56 T7OUDgCFAA3gJ7Y6bQPPvnUoGr1LlHA9TrSJnqGY= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100016f193e9208-9c64b808-74b8-4863-b1ff-d197deb455f3-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_238C7A9F-7ACB-495A-AC91-81EE4C794506" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 13:42:09 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87eex2hz0p.fsf@nic.cz> Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" To: Ladislav Lhotka References: <87pnhonpor.fsf@nic.cz> <87eex2hz0p.fsf@nic.cz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.12.18-54.240.8.33 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] IANA registries and YANG X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 13:42:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_238C7A9F-7ACB-495A-AC91-81EE4C794506 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe this approach can be for the algorithms in the "iana-*algs.yang" = modules defined in the crypto-types draft. The '*' expands to = symmetric, asymmetric, and hash. The problem is that I'm unsure if = there is exists 1-1 registries. But, to the extent there are = registries, this approach seems easiest for IANA. Kent // contributor > On Dec 18, 2019, at 2:29 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >=20 > Ladislav Lhotka writes: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> I would like to discuss the issue of developing YANG modules that = mirror IANA registries. The main objection, raised in DNSOP WG in = relation to draft-lhotka-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang-02, was that the RFC = containing the initial revision of the module doesn't get updated along = with the IANA registry (IANA is expected to keep the module in sync = without updating the RFC). As a result implementors can use the obsolete = snapshot from the RFC. >>=20 >> I am aware of three solution proposals: >>=20 >> 1. use some kind of template instead of a YANG module >=20 > Followup: template turned out to be the right buzzword! Instead of the = initial revision of a YANG module, it is possible to include an XSLT = stylesheet and instruct IANA to use it for generating the initial = revision of the module directly from the XML version of the registry. I = used this approach in >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang-00 >=20 > Could this be a recommended way for converting other IANA registries? >=20 > Lada >=20 >>=20 >> 2. include only two or three entries of the registry as examples so >> that it is clear that it is not the complete list >>=20 >> 3. keep the module in the document during the whole I-D stage but >> instruct the RFC Editor to remove it just before it becomes RFC. >>=20 >> I am personally in favour of #3. According to Randy Presuhn, who = proposed it, this procedure was used during the preparation of BCP 47. = It would require some extra coordination with with IANA but, apart from = that, it should IMO work well and avoid the problem mentioned above. >>=20 >> Thanks, Lada >>=20 >> --=20 >> Ladislav Lhotka=20 >> Head, CZ.NIC Labs >> PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > --=20 > Ladislav Lhotka=20 > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_238C7A9F-7ACB-495A-AC91-81EE4C794506 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Maybe= this approach can be for the algorithms in the "iana-*algs.yang" = modules defined in the crypto-types draft.   The '*' expands to = symmetric, asymmetric, and hash.   The problem is that I'm unsure = if there is exists 1-1 registries.  But, to the extent there are = registries, this approach seems easiest for IANA.

Kent // contributor



On Dec = 18, 2019, at 2:29 AM, Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:

Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> writes:

Hi,

I would like to discuss the issue of developing YANG modules = that mirror IANA registries. The main objection, raised in DNSOP WG in = relation to draft-lhotka-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang-02, was that the RFC = containing the initial revision of the module doesn't get updated along = with the IANA registry (IANA is expected to keep the module in sync = without updating the RFC). As a result implementors can use the obsolete = snapshot from the RFC.

I am aware of three = solution proposals:

1. use some kind of = template instead of a YANG module

Followup: template turned out to be the right buzzword! = Instead of the initial revision of a YANG module, it is possible to = include an XSLT stylesheet and instruct IANA to use it for generating = the initial revision of the module directly from the XML version of the = registry. I used this approach in

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-iana-class-type-ya= ng-00

Could this be a recommended way = for converting other IANA registries?

Lada

2. include only two or three entries of the registry as = examples so
  that it is clear that it is not = the complete list

3. keep the module in the = document during the whole I-D stage but
=   instruct the RFC Editor to remove it just before it becomes = RFC.

I am personally in favour of #3. = According to Randy Presuhn, who proposed it, this procedure was used = during the preparation of BCP 47. It would require some extra = coordination with with IANA but, apart from that, it should IMO work = well and avoid the problem mentioned above.

Thanks, Lada

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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001E_01D5B5B4.F1FA4870" ------=_NextPart_001_001E_01D5B5B4.F1FA4870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mahesh,=20 I was asked by the group to include in each import statement whether the = imported module is needed as import-only or as implemented. IMHO = netmod/netconf group should agree on some standard text for model = designers to use. Maybe the text proposed below can be used everywhere. = The sentence starting with Revision yyyy-mm-dd may not always be = needed. =20 =20 I propose the text =20 =20 import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; description "The module ietf-netconf-acm is OPTIONAL to implement."; } =20 import ietf-yang-library { prefix yanglib; description "The module ietf-yang-library is REQUIRED to be implemented. Revision 2019-01-04 or a revision derived from it is REQUIRED."; } =20 Regards Balazs =20 P.S. In Yang-Next this could be a candidate for a formal substatement = instead of a description text. =20 =20 From: Mahesh Jethanandani =20 Sent: 2019. december 18., szerda 3:20 To: Kent Watsen Cc: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Subject: Re: [netconf] New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-08.txt =20 Hi Balazs, =20 Additionally, it would be important to address some of the normative = text in the module. Specifically, we were looking at the following = description statements: =20 import ietf-yang-push { prefix yp; description "This module requires ietf-yang-push to be implemented for the two subscription-capabilities containers."; } import ietf-yang-library { prefix yanglib; description "This module requires ietf-yang-library to be implemented. Revision 2019-01-04 or a revision derived from it is required."; } =20 The requirement in the description statement feels and smells like words = one would use to signify requirements in a specification. However, you = are not using any of the words like REQUIRED etc. to describe it. Why is = it? =20 Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_001E_01D5B5B4.F1FA4870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello = Mahesh,

I was asked by the group to = include in each import statement whether the imported module is needed = as import-only or as implemented. IMHO netmod/netconf group should agree = on some standard text for model designers to use. Maybe the text = proposed below can be used everywhere. The sentence starting with = Revision yyyy-mm-dd =C2=A0may not always be needed.

 

 

I propose = the text =C2=A0

 

=C2=A0 = import ietf-netconf-acm=C2=A0 {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 prefix nacm;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "The = module ietf-netconf-acm is OPTIONAL to = implement.";

=C2=A0 }

 

=C2=A0 = import ietf-yang-library {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 prefix yanglib;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description "The module ietf-yang-library is REQUIRED = to

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 be implemented. = Revision 2019-01-04 or a

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 revision derived from = it is REQUIRED.";

=C2=A0 }

 

Regards = Balazs

 

P.S. In Yang-Next this could be a candidate for a = formal substatement instead of a description text.

 

 

From: Mahesh Jethanandani = <mjethanandani@gmail.com>
Sent: 2019. december 18., = szerda 3:20
To: Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net>
Cc: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: [netconf] New = Version Notification for = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-08.txt

<= /div>

 

Hi = Balazs,

 

Additionally, it would be important to address some of = the normative text in the module. Specifically, we were looking at the = following description statements:

 

=C2=A0 import ietf-yang-push=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
{
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 prefix =
yp;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
description
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
"This module requires ietf-yang-push to be implemented for =
the
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 two =
subscription-capabilities containers.";
=C2=A0 =
}
=C2=A0 import ietf-yang-library =
{
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 prefix =
yanglib;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description "This =
module requires ietf-yang-library =
to
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 be implemented. =
Revision 2019-01-04 or =
a
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 revision derived =
from it is required.";
=C2=A0 =
}

 

The requirement in the description statement feels and = smells like words one would use to signify requirements in a = specification. However, you are not using any of the words like REQUIRED = etc. to describe it. Why is it?

 

Mahesh Jethanandani

 

 

 

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boundary="000000000000e74b3d0599fddfdf" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is needed as import-only or as implemented X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:35:51 -0000 --000000000000e74b3d0599fddfdf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 6:08 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote: > Hello Mahesh, > > I was asked by the group to include in each import statement whether the > imported module is needed as import-only or as implemented. IMHO > netmod/netconf group should agree on some standard text for model designe= rs > to use. Maybe the text proposed below can be used everywhere. The sentenc= e > starting with Revision yyyy-mm-dd may not always be needed. > > > > > > I propose the text > > > > import ietf-netconf-acm { > > prefix nacm; > > description > > * "The module ietf-netconf-acm is OPTIONAL to implement.";* > > } > > > > import ietf-yang-library { > > prefix yanglib; > > description *"The module ietf-yang-library is REQUIRED to* > > * be implemented. Revision 2019-01-04 or a* > > * revision derived from it is REQUIRED.";* > > } > > > > Regards Balazs > > > > P.S. In Yang-Next this could be a candidate for a formal substatement > instead of a description text. > > > IMO this is a bad idea. The IETF keeps adding CLRs to YANG that make it harder to use over time. The YANG syntax defines what must be implemented from the imported module, so extra description-stmts just add more busy work for writers and reviewers. The text specifying the revision overrides (and breaks) YANG rules. YANG 1.1 has specific import-by-revision that cannot be changed with a description-stmt. Andy > > > *From:* Mahesh Jethanandani > *Sent:* 2019. december 18., szerda 3:20 > *To:* Kent Watsen > *Cc:* Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > *Subject:* Re: [netconf] New Version Notification for > draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-08.txt > > > > Hi Balazs, > > > > Additionally, it would be important to address some of the normative text > in the module. Specifically, we were looking at the following description > statements: > > > > import ietf-yang-push { > > prefix yp; > > description > > "This module requires ietf-yang-push to be implemented for the > > two subscription-capabilities containers."; > > } > > import ietf-yang-library { > > prefix yanglib; > > description "This module requires ietf-yang-library to > > be implemented. Revision 2019-01-04 or a > > revision derived from it is required."; > > } > > > > The requirement in the description statement feels and smells like words > one would use to signify requirements in a specification. However, you ar= e > not using any of the words like REQUIRED etc. to describe it. Why is it? > > > > Mahesh Jethanandani > > mjethanandani@gmail.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --000000000000e74b3d0599fddfdf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 6:08 AM Bal= =C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Hello Mahesh,

I was= asked by the group to include in each import statement whether the importe= d module is needed as import-only or as implemented. IMHO netmod/netconf gr= oup should agree on some standard text for model designers to use. Maybe th= e text proposed below can be used everywhere. The sentence starting with Re= vision yyyy-mm-dd =C2=A0may not always be needed.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

I propose the text =C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2= =A0 import ietf-netconf-acm=C2=A0 {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 prefix nacm;

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description

<= i>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "The = module ietf-netconf-acm is OPTIONAL to implement.";

=C2=A0 }

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 import iet= f-yang-library {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= prefix yanglib;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= description "The module ietf-yang-lib= rary is REQUIRED to

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 be implement= ed. Revision 2019-01-04 or a

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 rev= ision derived from it is REQUIRED.";

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 }

<= /u>=C2=A0

Regards Balazs

=

=C2=A0

P.S. = In Yang-Next this could be a candidate for a formal substatement instead of= a description text.

=C2=A0<= /p>



IMO this is = a bad idea.
The IETF keeps adding CLRs to YANG that make it harde= r to use over time.
The YANG syntax defines what must be implemen= ted from the imported module,
so extra description-stmts just add= more busy work for writers and reviewers.
The text specifying th= e revision overrides (and breaks) YANG rules.
YANG 1.1 has specif= ic import-by-revision that cannot be changed with a description-stmt.
=

Andy

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com>
Sent: 2019.= december 18., szerda 3:20
To: Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net>
<= b>Cc: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Subject:<= /b> Re: [netconf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-netconf-notificat= ion-capabilities-08.txt

=C2=A0

Hi Balazs,

=C2=A0

Additionally, it would be important to address some of the norm= ative text in the module. Specifically, we were looking at the following de= scription statements:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 import ietf-yang-push=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 {
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 prefix yp;
=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 "This module requires ietf-yang-push to be implemented fo=
r the
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 tw=
o subscription-capabilities containers.";
=C2=
=A0 }
=C2=A0 import ietf-yang-library {
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 prefix yanglib;
=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description "This module requires ietf-yang-library to=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 be implemented. Rev=
ision 2019-01-04 or a
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 revision derived from it is required.";
=
=C2=A0 }

=C2=A0

The requirement in the description s= tatement feels and smells like words one would use to signify requirements = in a specification. However, you are not using any of the words like REQUIR= ED etc. to describe it. Why is it?

=C2=A0

M= ahesh Jethanandani

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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--000000000000e74b3d0599fddfdf-- From nobody Wed Dec 18 23:23:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D511C12006B for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 23:23:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bNM2yejqm7Cu for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 23:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from trail.lhotka.name (trail.lhotka.name [77.48.224.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF6C120026 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 23:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by trail.lhotka.name (Postfix, from userid 109) id 666538601A9; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:26:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (89-24-44-252.nat.epc.tmcz.cz [89.24.44.252]) by trail.lhotka.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9294B8601A0; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:26:54 +0100 (CET) From: Ladislav Lhotka To: Andy Bierman , =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs?= Lengyel Cc: "netmod\@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: Andy Bierman , =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs?= Lengyel , "netmod\@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:23:27 +0100 Message-ID: <87fthgye1c.fsf@nic.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is needed as import-only or as implemented X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 07:23:36 -0000 Andy Bierman writes: > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 6:08 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel 40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > >> Hello Mahesh, >> >> I was asked by the group to include in each import statement whether the >> imported module is needed as import-only or as implemented. IMHO >> netmod/netconf group should agree on some standard text for model design= ers >> to use. Maybe the text proposed below can be used everywhere. The senten= ce >> starting with Revision yyyy-mm-dd may not always be needed. >> >> >> >> >> >> I propose the text >> >> >> >> import ietf-netconf-acm { >> >> prefix nacm; >> >> description >> >> * "The module ietf-netconf-acm is OPTIONAL to implement.";* >> >> } >> >> >> >> import ietf-yang-library { >> >> prefix yanglib; >> >> description *"The module ietf-yang-library is REQUIRED to* >> >> * be implemented. Revision 2019-01-04 or a* >> >> * revision derived from it is REQUIRED.";* >> >> } >> >> >> >> Regards Balazs >> >> >> >> P.S. In Yang-Next this could be a candidate for a formal substatement >> instead of a description text. >> >> >> > > > IMO this is a bad idea. > The IETF keeps adding CLRs to YANG that make it harder to use over time. > The YANG syntax defines what must be implemented from the imported module, I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module imports ietf-netconf-= acm, it could be because - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance-identifier", and then ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be), or - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only if the latter module is implemented. It it the YANG library that specifies whether a module is implemented or no= t, but the "import" statement itself doesn't tell you anything. > so extra description-stmts just add more busy work for writers and > reviewers. > The text specifying the revision overrides (and breaks) YANG rules. > YANG 1.1 has specific import-by-revision that cannot be changed with a > description-stmt. This is one of the problems that the semver effort aims to solve. What happ= ens quite oftem these days is that a module is written for NMDA and thus ne= eds NMDA versions of modules to be imported. But specifying an exact revisi= on is really a bad idea. Lada > > Andy > > > >> >> >> *From:* Mahesh Jethanandani >> *Sent:* 2019. december 18., szerda 3:20 >> *To:* Kent Watsen >> *Cc:* Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel >> *Subject:* Re: [netconf] New Version Notification for >> draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-08.txt >> >> >> >> Hi Balazs, >> >> >> >> Additionally, it would be important to address some of the normative text >> in the module. Specifically, we were looking at the following description >> statements: >> >> >> >> import ietf-yang-push { >> >> prefix yp; >> >> description >> >> "This module requires ietf-yang-push to be implemented for the >> >> two subscription-capabilities containers."; >> >> } >> >> import ietf-yang-library { >> >> prefix yanglib; >> >> description "This module requires ietf-yang-library to >> >> be implemented. Revision 2019-01-04 or a >> >> revision derived from it is required."; >> >> } >> >> >> >> The requirement in the description statement feels and smells like words >> one would use to signify requirements in a specification. However, you a= re >> not using any of the words like REQUIRED etc. to describe it. Why is it? >> >> >> >> Mahesh Jethanandani >> >> mjethanandani@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --=20 Ladislav Lhotka=20 Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Wed Dec 18 23:52:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDD3120096 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 23:52:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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If a module imports ietf-netcon= f-acm, it could be because >=20 > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance-identifier", and then > ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be), >=20 > or >=20 > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only if the latter > module is implemented. >=20 > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a module is implemented or = not, but the "import" statement itself doesn't tell you anything. > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out the difference? Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the schema tree the kind of imports there are (for a given set of features). /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Dec 19 01:27:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4158212021D for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 01:27:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I1PaTXidGC3b for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 01:27:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C05FE120073 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 01:27:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049463.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049463.ppops.net-00191d01. 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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Question on YANG 'fraction-digit' statement X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 11:21:01 -0000 Hi, "Ivory, William" wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a question about the 'fraction-digit' statement which I'm > hoping someone can clarify. I know it is used to specify the range of > valid values, as shown (in part) in the table below: > > > +----------------+-----------------------+----------------------+ > | fraction-digit | min | max | > +----------------+-----------------------+----------------------+ > | 1 | -922337203685477580.8 | 922337203685477580.7 | > | 2 | -92233720368547758.08 | 92233720368547758.07 | > | 3 | -9223372036854775.808 | 9223372036854775.807 | > > > > My question is whether it implicitly imposes any restriction on the > number of digits that can follow the decimal point for a valid value, > ie for 'fraction-digits 2', is 123.45678 valid, or only 123.45? If fraction-digits is 2, it means, according to section 9.3 in RFC 7950, that the value space consists of the real numbers that are expressible as "i x 10^-2", where "i" is a 64-bit integer. 123.45678 cannot be expressed in this way, which means that it is not a valid value for this type. /martin From nobody Thu Dec 19 03:28:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5991200B5 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 03:28:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sslifTcZH-uU for ; 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Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:00:19 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1576771219; bh=xq4OnZZdBAzkyuziXvQkdbzkjOEEBsWFWrB/9C3XdWA=; h=From:To:Date; b=WiCtKmvmNFdgbxN35LQoInO6zVknDSC1aSTNWJdVdtyYUrnoQSzdmXrNE/KGk/VpS wSHMaa3xjRIs9WmNJYi5NCGJHjns9qsi3iOtK3eQYXzL3xyEHAseM4ABkYBpsdCwL8 b/45AM2TDbb6lTIqKlesk00NAYLiVO63WUh48Ph8= Message-ID: From: Ladislav Lhotka To: netmod@ietf.org Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:00:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20191219075237.44xz6d34mn2ihjw2@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> References: <87fthgye1c.fsf@nic.cz> <20191219075237.44xz6d34mn2ihjw2@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Organization: CZ.NIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is needed as import-only or as implemented X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 16:00:23 -0000 On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Schönwälder, Jürgen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module imports ietf-netconf- > > acm, it could be because > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance-identifier", and then > > ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be), > > > > or > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only if the latter > > module is implemented. > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a module is implemented or > > not, but the "import" statement itself doesn't tell you anything. > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out the difference? An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other potential module users may not. For example, if somebody is evaluating whether to use a module for their device or not, it is important to know that NACM has to be implemented (or not). Lada > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the schema tree the > kind of imports there are (for a given set of features). > > /js > -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Thu Dec 19 08:23:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC8D1201EA for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:23:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rwfVQxLmjCQp for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf1-x12e.google.com (mail-lf1-x12e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFE60120AE9 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:22:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf1-x12e.google.com with SMTP id v201so4746701lfa.11 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:22:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rJkCi9bEz7NnlmgG/wrxBzMSS8q41GzpIr3qkx2RWrU=; b=Y1TsElMLpKGr+ZqdRCVtNRzC64bM21TdCo1/hD0TMeinwsfFYNmObNIkxMotkHc0gW ZxrmoQ1ER/UdSP1tmuZQYmgvtWshJIuhBDjJPXnMFvVllMnG3knDJ4k0tZlX6E7/+Dyr 6aqLqlG3N4WqOxQls5qZwJ+cYncRH5P8wb+BmKL5nYW8+dDIlNh0jd6j6UgQgGWDVzK8 FRPbdOZWAu2PW+q6MgqkDPJGNSAJC62N4d6XulDbPkmNqBDgtuLuKnDOrgwzQV2Bnv3M aokJGPfWjsvVoJ6YhT54Mjcp9r0LHc5ZkVvjB7rh47iciTMRkUI8v676lR0WaWrIMp7a JIug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rJkCi9bEz7NnlmgG/wrxBzMSS8q41GzpIr3qkx2RWrU=; b=FWWf1YW1dzLdHuXK2oiP2/gJAn1LUPdqi0OapAL07ecvbtlA7G4crrZ9jMFgvOhHH9 yYiLKB6RVnL7RISYmE0i4o1L/kVznl+EVDw/w0vnfqkro1IWqyOl1LKA1kg09n85mZMm 8lS/p2VA7kBdpZLpeIWQ0pBjkqwR9H+y96GI14w8pkK97hrfe9+0WSR4jqI3lq/wa6FL bnpgX5KERFL4k+Vn/hzoeFBssZjRT9ZW9JIVZP2NsdSYwSApe9WOFb8FVKsd9OeFKBTb 1MlEEeWxnxjNyWm1P92R650w3bBxD4bBMJspeVn4sX5A8YWL6EzYuwhmBp9+ShCPZhMf qMwg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUO4Ji9pcppJoUmpoWURyvBlT10sAq++V0nHF6VsWkZ8pK4eyQE aBpjiDgOcSNLJOw24fGorsY/D7VDhvkZOOE5K/SL8w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxceReaoxfZWTNe90Xt7xsMatvM0wERPd1esFNj4WONsct5YJkUnpllaLxbqs6W0GkUZ8qkbFTvQqZDXb2N5zM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:15d:: with SMTP id m29mr6068605lfo.51.1576772575966; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:22:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87fthgye1c.fsf@nic.cz> <20191219075237.44xz6d34mn2ihjw2@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> In-Reply-To: From: Andy Bierman Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:22:44 -0800 Message-ID: To: Ladislav Lhotka Cc: NetMod WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000484cb8059a10f94b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is needed as import-only or as implemented X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 16:23:35 -0000 --000000000000484cb8059a10f94b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder, J=C3=BCrgen wro= te: > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module imports > ietf-netconf- > > > acm, it could be because > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance-identifier", and the= n > > > ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be), > > > > > > or > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only if the latter > > > module is implemented. > > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a module is implemented > or > > > not, but the "import" statement itself doesn't tell you anything. > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out the difference? > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other potential modul= e > users > may not. For example, if somebody is evaluating whether to use a module f= or > their device or not, it is important to know that NACM has to be > implemented (or > not). > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance documentation procedure that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, and C together to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions need to be met". (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve) IMO this is a much harder problem than something that can be solved with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely to get it wrong or not keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems like a better solution. Lada > Andy > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the schema tree the > > kind of imports there are (for a given set of features). > > > > /js > > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --000000000000484cb8059a10f94b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladis= lav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote= :
On Thu, 2019-1= 2-19 at 07:52 +0000, Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder, J=C3=BCrgen wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote:
> > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module imports= ietf-netconf-
> > acm, it could be because
> >
> > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance-identifier&= quot;, and then
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can = be),
> >
> > or
> >
> > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only if the lat= ter
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0module is implemented.
> >
> > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a module is impleme= nted or
> > not, but the "import" statement itself doesn't tell= you anything.
> >
>
> Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out the difference?<= br>
An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other potential module = users
may not. For example, if somebody is evaluating whether to use a module for=
their device or not, it is important to know that NACM has to be implemente= d (or
not).


You seem to be talking about a new con= formance documentation procedure
that attempts to solve the probl= em "to use modules A, B, and C together
to achieve some func= tionality X, all these conditions need to be met".
(Sounds m= ore like a problem for YANG Packages to solve)

IMO= this is a much harder problem than something that can be solved
= with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely to get it wrong or n= ot
keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems like a= better solution.

Lada


Andy
=C2= =A0

> Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the schema tree the=
> kind of imports there are (for a given set of features).
>
> /js
>
--
Ladislav Lhotka
Head, CZ.NIC Labs
PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67

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--000000000000484cb8059a10f94b-- From nobody Mon Dec 30 04:53:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD9E120041; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 04:53:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.115.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <157771042086.4489.2809790428622267860@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 04:53:40 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-02.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:53:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Module Versioning Requirements Author : Joe Clarke Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-02.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2019-12-30 Abstract: This document describes the problems that can arise because of the YANG language module update rules, that require all updates to YANG module preserve strict backwards compatibility. It also defines the requirements on any solution designed to solve the stated problems. This document does not consider possible solutions, nor endorse any particular solution. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/