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I could understand one mandatory or three mandator= y but struggle to see the point of two.=0A= Something like this is in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te=0A= From nobody Fri May 1 03:52:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C813A0EBB for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:52:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, PDS_NAKED_TO_NUMERO=1.999, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=4668.se header.b=ofOYKT8f; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=fyFRpq60 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1dwvGXfUURYG for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 170453A0E82 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B8F5C00E3; Fri, 1 May 2020 06:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 01 May 2020 06:52:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=4668.se; h=date :message-id:to:cc:subject:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=fm1; bh= S63TvPrEjIG3eV7Hys5QAMs5JUlPlv7sIiAt6xCQvz8=; b=ofOYKT8fScEtotWX TjOFMDwWwZ4awGITtUVl2YU1ccv0vlxwLCI5EcvPg904AscHmAw9YPk8IFIbbRGg PQwejAyAQrQWJnKeR2dxPLM63l7wvfRXJ/Vl+s8D8jDWJLJ6WBvMMz5UU8EnKQp0 9rzWegQ5wHTO0hnR6KC1BN5FikHJ6rpauEDn7OWN2uTQI/i46msYhjcIUS2FeMu9 vmaWsfmGk+sGw2I4rulPO8/jxocDg2VUy8hpBgvhxMIWzP1kip2fJMJDdI5kOLTD kB3NjPYte/m7/0gA/8Y+svXlXdDvzJCxfQYWMa86fO19ZmYu2znEsAE00VjYhQ1e Oo0TBg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=S63TvPrEjIG3eV7Hys5QAMs5JUlPlv7sIiAt6xCQv z8=; b=fyFRpq60VkS8i36mE1vcraKmpS8NXtDnbfbiRaAnxCi3erBINWHvLQs1s XbJ/8M3xVeHk4IOTB9DyNYO+XUSFSnXyAWX3Dl0sxLdoScLY60S5qrPUnUlS7exe cRfwm2h362TmLFj7FJl1GXN85UUDn+edVwvIiHzMUkAdv1i1nRbW09PAffLuf8oN VyJIppYByDJi73FzngvAFxWweLw0OzkHa/7S3NPrWuxczp80ZNKB2jSbmphc+qUk ggI+HXY/LGZEn0E/4jkO1oEcBYPKLO+x5EyqmQsmAn80RaddIafMn1HP+YmM0cRV jkPFE4pg55Eq0yxg/mlsh8zloTnWQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrieejgdefudcutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffkvffuhfgjfhfogggtgfesthejre dtredtvdenucfhrhhomhepofgrrhhtihhnuceujhpnrhhklhhunhguuceomhgsjhdoihgv thhfseegieeikedrshgvqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedtgefgtdduudejkeelvedvie dvveehieegfeefteefgfeffeekheffvdefveffgfenucfkphepudehkedrudejgedrgedr geegnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmh gsjhdoihgvthhfseegieeikedrshgv X-ME-Proxy: Received: from localhost (unknown [158.174.4.44]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 66DDE3065F48; Fri, 1 May 2020 06:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 12:52:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20200501.125214.1680672299672620160.id@4668.se> To: ietfc@btconnect.com Cc: netmod@ietf.org From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rklund?= In-Reply-To: References: <6D4B643D-3264-4B00-A993-A140F5C54F30@cisco.com> <20200428160140.xzmqxf6c3u47ce7m@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] choice mandatory case mandatory X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 10:52:20 -0000 tom petch wrote: > given > rpc tunnels > input > container tunnel > choice filter > mandatory true This means that some node from some case must be present. > case all > leaf all > mandatory true I assume that this mandatory is inside "leaf all". This means that if this case is selected (i.e., at least some node from the case is present), then this leaf must be present as well. > case one > leaf justone > what does mandatory do? I could understand one mandatory or three > mandatory but struggle to see the point of two. You need to look at complete model for the choice to see if it makes sense or not. > > Something like this is in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te /martin From nobody Fri May 1 04:14:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FD83A0F18 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 04:14:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.82, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btconnect.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HeNkanrQEXqK for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 04:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EUR05-DB8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-db8eur05on2109.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.20.109]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96B443A0F11 for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: be6830e5-2543-4019-9c6b-08d7edc0bfe8 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 May 2020 11:14:00.3801 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: Lgj9IAY33teM36yxK4T7m3k6nLFwfT99RhESpH1tqj/KQ/3JD6gKdqLODLm+CQLCaddTlLCs686vOGy45cD3Ug== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB7PR07MB5323 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] choice mandatory case mandatory X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 11:14:05 -0000 From: Martin Bj=F6rklund =0A= Sent: 01 May 2020 11:52=0A= =0A= tom petch wrote:=0A= > given=0A= > rpc tunnels=0A= > input=0A= > container tunnel=0A= > choice filter=0A= > mandatory true=0A= =0A= This means that some node from some case must be present.=0A= =0A= > case all=0A= > leaf all=0A= > mandatory true=0A= =0A= I assume that this mandatory is inside "leaf all". This means that if=0A= this case is selected (i.e., at least some node from the case is=0A= present), then this leaf must be present as well.=0A= =0A= > case one=0A= > leaf justone=0A= > what does mandatory do? I could understand one mandatory or three=0A= > mandatory but struggle to see the point of two.=0A= =0A= You need to look at complete model for the choice to see if it makes=0A= sense or not.=0A= =0A= =0A= Thanks for that.=0A= Yes, what I give is the entire RPC as far as data nodes go (which I meant t= o mention) so it seems to me that the second mandatory is not needed unless= the expectation is that the first case will be augmented with other nodes = which then need not be present. The aim is to either act on one or act on= all of a list, tunnels in this case, which is quite common in routing YANG= modules but I have not seen this pattern before and wondered what I was mi= ssing. I think the answer is nothing!=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= >=0A= > Something like this is in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te=0A= =0A= =0A= /martin=0A= From nobody Mon May 4 03:02:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DC23A0771; Mon, 4 May 2020 03:02:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, CTE_8BIT_MISMATCH=0.999, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gEKsuMW2XGVR; Mon, 4 May 2020 03:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 907563A076F; Mon, 4 May 2020 03:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id E2E24F406F5; Mon, 4 May 2020 03:02:42 -0700 (PDT) To: rkrejci@cesnet.cz, mbj@tail-f.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: rwilton@cisco.com, iesg@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20200504100242.E2E24F406F5@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 03:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] [Errata Held for Document Update] RFC7950 (6031) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 10:02:47 -0000 The following errata report has been held for document update for RFC7950, "The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6031 -------------------------------------- Status: Held for Document Update Type: Technical Reported by: Radek Krejci Date Reported: 2020-03-27 Held by: Robert Wilton (IESG) Section: 9.9.3 Original Text ------------- The "require-instance" statement, which is a substatement to the "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is "instance-identifier" or "leafref". It takes as an argument the string "true" or "false". If this statement is not present, it defaults to "true". Corrected Text -------------- The "require-instance" statement, which is a substatement to the "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is "instance-identifier", "leafref" or a type derived from them. It takes as an argument the string "true" or "false". If this statement is not present, it defaults to "true". Notes ----- The document does not specify whether the “require-instance” keyword is allowed in typedef refinements derived from the “leafref” or “instance-identifier” base types, but it is anticipated that a future revision of YANG would allow this. It is suggested that modules using YANG language versions 1 [RFC 6020] and 1.1 [RFC 7950] avoid using this construct, YANG module validation tools flag a warning if this construct is used, but implementations allow this if possible. -------------------------------------- RFC7950 (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis-14) -------------------------------------- Title : The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language Publication Date : August 2016 Author(s) : M. Bjorklund, Ed. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 55d9bf4d-d4c6-499f-cd2e-08d7f012af65 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 04 May 2020 10:05:33.7637 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: Ec29mX0lelkofbQWCp0WVlY2E3CjEdbfERqHKqspilmFnEUhwzTfKQgJQRPzg/Wgvzh63cb55LUTh5mNigIB5w== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MN2PR11MB3760 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.14, xch-rcd-004.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-9.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Erratum 5514 on NMDA [RFC 8342] X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 10:05:51 -0000 Are there any other comments on the proposed resolution of this erratum? Regards, Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Martin Bj=F6rklund > Sent: 28 April 2020 16:47 > To: rwilton=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Erratum 5514 on NMDA [RFC 8342] >=20 > "Rob Wilton \(rwilton\)" wrote: > > Hi, > > > > There is one open erratum on NMDA from 2018 that I would like to > > process. > > > > The erratum is here: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5514 > > > > There has been quite a lot of discussion on this erratum previously on > > the NETMOD alias. The last email in the thread was > > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/LHJZmf5gtESX6Nobwst0OwXbGG4/ > > > > >From my reading of the discussion, I don't think that there is clear > > >WG consensus between the two competing concerns: > > (1) The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes must be > > specified (section 7, YANG annotation definition). > > (2) The origin applies to all configuration nodes except non-presence > > containers (section 5.3.4). > > > > Hence my proposal is to mark this as "Hold for Document Update" with > > Kent's proposed resolution of changing the description in the YANG > > model. > > > > OLD: > > The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes must be > > specified. > > > > NEW: > > The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes, except > > non-presence containers, must be specified. > > > > For reference, this will mean that the extension [NEW] is defined as: > > > > md:annotation origin { > > type origin-ref; > > description > > "The 'origin' annotation can be present on any configuration > > data node in the operational state datastore. It specifies > > from where the node originated. If not specified for a given > > configuration data node, then the origin is the same as the > > origin of its parent node in the data tree. The origin for > > any top-level configuration data nodes, except non-presence > > containers, must be specified."; > > } > > > > Please can you let me know if you support or object to this > > resolution. I'll leave it a week to see if there is consensus before > > processing the erratum. >=20 > I think this is ok. >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Mon May 4 04:57:34 2020 Return-Path: <01000171df8c5356-af62315f-4571-499a-bff6-0f38233ab5d5-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D3E3A0829 for ; Mon, 4 May 2020 04:57:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.892 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.892 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kE_u1jP7SOfR for ; Mon, 4 May 2020 04:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-83.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-83.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DD4C3A0826 for ; Mon, 4 May 2020 04:57:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1588593447; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:References:Cc:In-Reply-To:To:Feedback-ID; bh=uS8XJGOCQ9FDiy1wTqsbGetupdmlT+F4G1+zKdkSjIM=; b=RIKG6PqwXtu+6fCKwOjL2qVUjb5TwzzGREgS4jfVyXuifguYMzRjjKi1oSCw6MDa ih/NuRjaBVe7KyfkBHbNf62QDC07CaHcK0GJF8wDJAKb2Q4T85y7VEa1r2LyVpVAIG+ OmWGPxuCe7vjGrCEIR5SWSMJXPvhnGsPcPBaJJv4= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-37B5A3DD-ABFA-4CD4-A2EB-4912CFF5D6D2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kent Watsen Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 11:57:27 +0000 Message-ID: <01000171df8c5356-af62315f-4571-499a-bff6-0f38233ab5d5-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: To: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17D50) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.05.04-54.240.8.83 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Erratum 5514 on NMDA [RFC 8342] X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 11:57:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail-37B5A3DD-ABFA-4CD4-A2EB-4912CFF5D6D2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One small concern with the proposed NEW text is that it suggests that an NP-= container is configuration, which I think is untrue. Thusly, maybe the foll= owing tweak is better? s/except/which excludes/ NEWER: The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes, which excludes non-presence containers, must be specified. Still, my preferred fix is captured at the end of the linked mail archive (i= .e., fix the source definition for =E2=80=9Cdata node=E2=80=9D in RFC 7950..= .and reject this errata).=20 K. // contributor=20 > On May 4, 2020, at 6:15 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFAre there any other comments on the proposed resolution of this e= rratum? >=20 > Regards, > Rob >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: netmod On Behalf Of Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund= >> Sent: 28 April 2020 16:47 >> To: rwilton=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org >> Cc: netmod@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [netmod] Erratum 5514 on NMDA [RFC 8342] >>=20 >> "Rob Wilton \(rwilton\)" wrote: >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> There is one open erratum on NMDA from 2018 that I would like to >>> process. >>>=20 >>> The erratum is here: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5514 >>>=20 >>> There has been quite a lot of discussion on this erratum previously on >>> the NETMOD alias. The last email in the thread was >>>=20 >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/LHJZmf5gtESX6Nobwst0OwXbGG4/= >>>=20 >>>> =46rom my reading of the discussion, I don't think that there is clear >>>> WG consensus between the two competing concerns: >>> (1) The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes must be >>> specified (section 7, YANG annotation definition). >>> (2) The origin applies to all configuration nodes except non-presence >>> containers (section 5.3.4). >>>=20 >>> Hence my proposal is to mark this as "Hold for Document Update" with >>> Kent's proposed resolution of changing the description in the YANG >>> model. >>>=20 >>> OLD: >>> The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes must be >>> specified. >>>=20 >>> NEW: >>> The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes, except >>> non-presence containers, must be specified. >>>=20 >>> For reference, this will mean that the extension [NEW] is defined as: >>>=20 >>> md:annotation origin { >>> type origin-ref; >>> description >>> "The 'origin' annotation can be present on any configuration >>> data node in the operational state datastore. It specifies >>> from where the node originated. If not specified for a given >>> configuration data node, then the origin is the same as the >>> origin of its parent node in the data tree. The origin for >>> any top-level configuration data nodes, except non-presence >>> containers, must be specified."; >>> } >>>=20 >>> Please can you let me know if you support or object to this >>> resolution. I'll leave it a week to see if there is consensus before >>> processing the erratum. >>=20 >> I think this is ok. >>=20 >>=20 >> /martin >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail-37B5A3DD-ABFA-4CD4-A2EB-4912CFF5D6D2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One small concern with the proposed NEW tex= t is that it suggests that an NP-container is configuration, which I think i= s untrue.  Thusly, maybe the following tweak is better?

s/except/which exclude= s/

NEWER:
    The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes, which excludes
    non-presence containers, must be specified.

Sti= ll, my preferred fix is captured at the end of the linked mail archive (i.e., fix th= e source definition for =E2=80=9Cdata node=E2=80=9D in RFC 7950...and reject= this errata). 

K.  // contributor =


On May 4= , 2020, at 6:15 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.iet= f.org> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFAre there any other comments on the proposed resolu= tion of this erratum?

Regards,
Rob


-----Original Message-----
From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Marti= n Bj=C3=B6rklund
Sent= : 28 April 2020 16:47
To: rwilton=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org
Cc: netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netmod] Erratum 5514 on NMDA [RFC 8342]

=
"Rob Wilton \(rwilton\)" <rwilton=3D40cis= co.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Hi,

There is one open erratum on NMDA from 2018 that I would like to
process.

The erratum is here:= https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5514

There has been quite a lot of discussion on this erratum previously on
the NETMOD alias.  The last email in the thread was

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/LHJZmf5gtESX6Nobwst0Ow= XbGG4/

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
=46rom my reading o= f the discussion, I don't think that there is clear
<= /blockquote>
WG consensus between the two competing conc= erns:
(1) The origin for any top-level config= uration data nodes must be
specified (section 7, YANG anno= tation definition).
(2) The origin applies to all configur= ation nodes except non-presence
containers (section 5.3.4)= .

Hence my proposal is to mark this as "= Hold for Document Update" with
Kent's proposed resolution o= f changing the description in the YANG
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
model.
=
OLD:
   The origi= n for any top-level configuration data nodes must be
=
&nbs= p;  specified.

NEW:
   The origin for any top-level configuration data n= odes, except
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">    non-presence containers, m= ust be specified.

For reference, this w= ill mean that the extension [NEW] is defined as:
    md:annotation origin {
=       type origin-ref;
&nb= sp;     description
  =       "The 'origin' annotation can be present o= n any configuration
      &= nbsp;  data node in the operational state datastore.  It spec= ifies
        &nb= sp;from where the node originated.  If not specified for a given=
         configura= tion data node, then the origin is the same as the
 =         origin of its parent node in= the data tree.  The origin for
   &n= bsp;     any top-level configuration data nodes, ex= cept non-presence
      &nb= sp;  containers,  must be specified.";
&nb= sp;   }

=
Please can you let= me know if you support or object to this
resolution. &nbs= p;I'll leave it a week to see if there is consensus before
processing the erratum.

I t= hink this is ok.


=
/martin

<= /span>

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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2020 12:20:28.9135 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: f78e973e-5c0b-4ab8-bbd7-9887c95a8ebd X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-MailboxType: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-UserPrincipalName: RXpFry2+tWtu1qx7ISLfEHgfXyHu3UP6S7b973D5HO0p4M6n2FHuRs1ODX7GuYmW2tdviF+n1tv2DmtTDAP/dtzu1F8C9tSQWOrZ/qvbi8U= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM0P190MB0578 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Erratum 5514 on NMDA [RFC 8342] X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 12:20:47 -0000 If I put an origin on every config leaf and config p-container, why would I need another origin somewhere up in the np-container hierachy? We seem to make rules that to some extend miss the point we are really trying to make, namely that every config leaf and config p-container must have an origin (defined directly or inherited). If you choose to inherit origin attributes, it follows that there must be a place to inherit from (but that place does not have to be the root or a root). /js On Mon, May 04, 2020 at 02:04:41PM +0200, Martin Björklund wrote: > Kent Watsen wrote: > > One small concern with the proposed NEW text is that it suggests that > > an NP-container is configuration, which I think is untrue. > > An NP-container can represent config data, so I think that part of > Rob's suggested text is ok. > > Here's Rob's proposed text: > > The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes, except > non-presence containers, must be specified. > > This doesn't say that a list within a top-level NP-container MUST have > "origin". > > E.g.: > > container top { > container second { > list foo { > ... > } > } > } > > Here /top/second/foo must have origin. > > > /martin > > > Thusly, > > maybe the following tweak is better? > > > > s/except/which excludes/ > > > > NEWER: > > The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes, which excludes > > non-presence containers, must be specified. > > > > Still, my preferred fix is captured at the end of the linked mail > > archive (i..e., fix the source definition for “data node” in RFC > > 7950....and reject this errata). > > > > K. // contributor > > > > > > > On May 4, 2020, at 6:15 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) > > > wrote: > > > > > > Are there any other comments on the proposed resolution of this > > > erratum? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rob > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: netmod On Behalf Of Martin Björklund > > >> Sent: 28 April 2020 16:47 > > >> To: rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org > > >> Cc: netmod@ietf.org > > >> Subject: Re: [netmod] Erratum 5514 on NMDA [RFC 8342] > > >> > > >> "Rob Wilton \(rwilton\)" wrote: > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> There is one open erratum on NMDA from 2018 that I would like to > > >>> process. > > >>> > > >>> The erratum is here: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5514 > > >>> > > >>> There has been quite a lot of discussion on this erratum previously on > > >>> the NETMOD alias. The last email in the thread was > > >>> > > >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/LHJZmf5gtESX6Nobwst0OwXbGG4/ > > >>> > > >>>> From my reading of the discussion, I don't think that there is clear > > >>>> WG consensus between the two competing concerns: > > >>> (1) The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes must be > > >>> specified (section 7, YANG annotation definition). > > >>> (2) The origin applies to all configuration nodes except non-presence > > >>> containers (section 5.3.4). > > >>> > > >>> Hence my proposal is to mark this as "Hold for Document Update" with > > >>> Kent's proposed resolution of changing the description in the YANG > > >>> model. > > >>> > > >>> OLD: > > >>> The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes must be > > >>> specified. > > >>> > > >>> NEW: > > >>> The origin for any top-level configuration data nodes, except > > >>> non-presence containers, must be specified. > > >>> > > >>> For reference, this will mean that the extension [NEW] is defined as: > > >>> > > >>> md:annotation origin { > > >>> type origin-ref; > > >>> description > > >>> "The 'origin' annotation can be present on any configuration > > >>> data node in the operational state datastore. It specifies > > >>> from where the node originated. If not specified for a given > > >>> configuration data node, then the origin is the same as the > > >>> origin of its parent node in the data tree. The origin for > > >>> any top-level configuration data nodes, except non-presence > > >>> containers, must be specified."; > > >>> } > > >>> > > >>> Please can you let me know if you support or object to this > > >>> resolution. I'll leave it a week to see if there is consensus before > > >>> processing the erratum. > > >> > > >> I think this is ok. > > >> > > >> > > >> /martin > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> netmod mailing list > > >> netmod@ietf.org > > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon May 4 05:39:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18BF3A0845 for ; 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X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 13:20:48 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01D62227.915516F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0073_01D62227.915516F0" ------=_NextPart_001_0073_01D62227.915516F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jason, I was the original advocate of actions. At that point I had to fight to get actions into YANG at all. So I had = to emphasize why they are different, why they are better. Replacing rpcs = would have been a no go from the start. Also some people might have an aversion towards having 2 ways to do the = same thing. In my world we avoid top level actions/rpcs altogether, so it was not = important for me. But truly, these are not really strong arguments against top level = actions. Regards Balazs =20 From: netmod On Behalf Of Sterne, Jason (Nokia = - CA/Ottawa) Sent: 2020. =C3=A1prilis 30., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:51 To: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? =20 Yes - the intent was to address the limitation that an RPC can only be = at root. Actions can be out in a tree & nicely associated with something = (e.g. instead of having a pile of flat RPCs with long names that encode = containers like reset-www-xxx-yyy-zzz-entity). =20 But I don't really understand why we limited actions from being at the = root. It prevents a strategy of implementing all operations in a server = (some of which may be desirable at root for various reasons, some of = which may be desirable in the tree) as actions. =20 Why not allow this? =20 module bar { action do-stuff { input { leaf iterations { type uint8; } } }=20 }=20 }=20 =20 Which could be called from NETCONF like this: =20 5 =20 =20 Jason =20 From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) >=20 Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:31 AM To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) >; netmod@ietf.org = =20 Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? =20 I don=E2=80=99t know the history on this but the intent is to have = action tied to a data node. =20 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.15 The difference between an action and an rpc is that an action is tied to a node in the datastore, whereas an rpc is not. When an action is invoked, the node in the datastore is specified along with the name of the action and the input parameters. =20 Regards, Reshad. =20 From: netmod < netmod-bounces@ietf.org> = on behalf of "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" < = jason.sterne@nokia.com> Date: Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:08 AM To: " netmod@ietf.org" < = netmod@ietf.org> Subject: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? =20 Hi all, =20 I was a bit surprised to find this in section 7.15 of 7950 recently: =20 Since an action cannot be defined at the top level of a module or in a "case" statement, it is an error if a grouping that contains an action at the top of its node hierarchy is used at the top level of a module or in a case definition. =20 I realize that actions can be placed down in a schema tree (i.e. sit in = the context of a container or list), but why is it phrased that they = *must* be in a container? =20 RPCs are limited to being at the root. I would have thought actions = could be anywhere (root or down in the tree). =20 Jason =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0073_01D62227.915516F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Jason,

I was = the original advocate of actions.

At = that point I had to fight to get actions into YANG at all. So I had to = emphasize why they are different, why they are better. Replacing rpcs = would have been a no go from the start.

Also some people might have an aversion towards having = 2 ways to do the same thing.

In my = world we avoid top level actions/rpcs altogether, so it was not = important for me.

But truly, these = are not really strong arguments against top level = actions.

Regards = Balazs

 

From: netmod = <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Sterne, Jason (Nokia = - CA/Ottawa)
Sent: 2020. =C3=A1prilis 30., = cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:51
To: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) = <rrahman@cisco.com>; netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root?

 

Yes - the intent was to address the limitation that an RPC = can only be at root. Actions can be out in a tree & nicely = associated with something (e.g. instead of having a pile of flat RPCs = with long names that encode containers like = reset-www-xxx-yyy-zzz-entity).

 

But I don't really understand why = we limited actions from being at the root. It prevents a strategy of = implementing all operations in a server (some of which may be desirable = at root for various reasons, some of which may be desirable in the tree) = as actions.

 

Why not allow this?

 

   module bar = {

         action = do-stuff {

          = input {

          =    leaf iterations {

          =      type uint8;

          =     }

          =   }

         } =

       } =

   }

 

Which could be called from NETCONF = like this:

 

     <rpc = message-id=3D"101"

          = xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1..0">

       <action = xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:1">

         <do-stuff = xmlns=3D"urn:example:bar">

         =   <iterations>5</iterations>

      =    </do-stuff>

       </action>

     </rpc>

 

 

Jason

 

From: = Reshad Rahman (rrahman) <rrahman@cisco.com> =
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:31 AM
To: Sterne, = Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com>; = netmod@ietf.org
Subject: = Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at = root?

 

I = don=E2=80=99t know the history on this but the intent is to have action = tied to a data node.

 

https://tools.i= etf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.15

   The difference between an action and an = rpc is that an action is tied

   to a node in the datastore, whereas an = rpc is not.  When an action is

   invoked, the node in the datastore is = specified along with the name

   of the action and the input = parameters.

 

Regards,

Reshad.

 

From: netmod = <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of = "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" <jason.sterne@nokia.com>
Date: = Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:08 AM
To: = "netmod@ietf.org" = <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: = [netmod] YANG action not allowed at = root?

 

Hi all,

 

I was a bit surprised to find this = in section 7.15 of 7950 recently:

 

   Since = an action cannot be defined at the top level of a module or = in

   a = "case" statement, it is an error if a grouping that contains = an

   action = at the top of its node hierarchy is used at the top level of = a

   module = or in a case definition.

 

I realize that actions can be placed down in a schema tree = (i.e. sit in the context of a container or list), but why is it phrased = that they *must* be in a container?

 

RPCs are limited to being at the = root. I would have thought actions could be anywhere (root or down in = the tree).

 

Jason

 

 

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<20200504.143923.670825645730769184.id@4668.se> Cc: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de, netmod@ietf.org, rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20200504.143923.670825645730769184.id@4668.se> To: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17D50) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.05.04-54.240.48.92 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Erratum 5514 on NMDA [RFC 8342] X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 13:39:36 -0000 > Martin writes: >> Juergen writes:=20 >> If I put an origin on every config leaf and config p-container, why >> would I need another origin somewhere up in the np-container hierachy? >> We seem to make rules that to some extend miss the point we are really >> trying to make, namely that every config leaf and config p-container >> must have an origin (defined directly or inherited). >=20 > Yes, I think this is what we should say. yes, this is the true intent and, stated this way, sidesteps the discussion a= s to if an NP-container is configuration.=20 K. // contributor=20= From nobody Mon May 4 08:36:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5643A0AFD for ; Mon, 4 May 2020 08:36:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ericsson.com 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text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, While status-description is not a critical part of this work, it is = still useful, does not harm and is such a small addition, I do not = understand why Martin objects. So why is status-description good: Sometimes additional information is needed about deprecation, = obsolescence:=20 - is the item still fully functional? - when will its functionality be removed? - when will the schema node itself be removed? - is there a replacement or workaround that could/should be used instead = of deprecated/obsolete item? The text can be used by tools. Using a separate statement to provide = this=20 information is a method to separate the main description from this = status specific description.=20 In most cases both in the CLI and on NMS GUIs only the description is = displayed.=20 However there is a possibility to display the status information too. In a way it is similar why we have separate description, contact, = reference, organization statements under module.=20 All these are just text, they could all be pushed under a single = description statement. Tools can't act on these automatically, still it = is good to separate them. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of Sterne, Jason (Nokia = - CA/Ottawa) Sent: 2020. =C3=A1prilis 29., szerda 23:38 To: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) ; = Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] status-description (WAS Re: mbj review of = draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01) I think we could wait until YANG 2.0 to add a description to the status. Without a status description, an intelligent "YANG diff" of the models = would produce this: a) new status deprecated statement b) change to a description With a status description we'd identify this: a) new status deprecated statement b) new status description In both cases it is (a) that identifies the most clear information. In both cases (b) provides no additional information that can be acted = upon in an automated fashion. The tool could only flag that (b) occurred = in both cases and a human would then have to go look at it. If the only change between two versions of a module was a status = description change, then again a human would have to take a look. If we = add some sort of "nbc" tag to the leaf for tooling, then it also doesn't = matter which description changed. Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Reshad Rahman > (rrahman) > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 5:43 PM > To: Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund ; netmod@ietf.org > Subject: [netmod] rev:status-description (WAS Re: mbj review of=20 > draft-verdt- > netmod-yang-module-versioning-01) >=20 > Hi, >=20 > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/51 >=20 > o 3.4 >=20 > leaf imperial-temperature { > type int64; > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > status deprecated { > rev:status-description > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in = favor > of their metric equivalents. Use = metric-temperature > instead."; > } > description > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > } >=20 > I don't think rev:status-description is necessary / worth = it. This > can easily be written with the normal description statement = instead: >=20 > leaf imperial-temperature { > type int64; > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > status deprecated; > description > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in = favor > of their metric equivalents. Use = metric-temperature > instead. >=20 > Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > } >=20 > While rev:status-description isn't strictly necessary, without it we'd = > have to modify the node's description as you pointed out. That'd make=20 > tooling more > difficult: is the description change BC or NBC? Also, a user looking=20 > at a diff would need to go through the description change. Use of =20 > rev:status- description makes this easier to handle. >=20 > Regards, > Reshad. >=20 >=20 >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahman = (rrahman)" > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >=20 > Hi Martin, >=20 > We've opened issues to track your review comments (see below).=20 > Will kick off separate therads for each issue. >=20 > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver- > dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handling >=20 > Regards, > Reshad. >=20 > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Martin = Bj=C3=B6rklund"=20 > wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Here are my review comments of > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. >=20 >=20 >=20 > o 3.1.1 >=20 > o In statements that have any data definition statements = as > substatements, those data definition substatements MAY = be > reordered, as long as they do not change the ordering = or any "rpc" > "input" substatements. >=20 > I think this needs to capture that no descendant statements = to > "input" can be reordered. Same for "output" (note, "input" = and > "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). >=20 >=20 > o 3.3 >=20 > All revision labels that match the pattern for the = "version" > typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG module MUST be = interpreted as > YANG semantic version numbers. >=20 > I don't think this is a good idea. Seems like a layer = violation. > What if my project use another dialect of semver, that = wouldn't be > possible with this rule. I think this needs to be removed. >=20 >=20 > o 3.3 >=20 > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label schemes that could=20 > be confused > with the including module's revision label scheme. >=20 > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is handled = correctly? What > exactly does "could be confused with" mean? >=20 >=20 > o 3.3 >=20 > In the filename of a YANG module, where it takes the = form: module- > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] ( '.yang' /=20 > '.yin' ) >=20 > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? I know that 5.2 = just > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implement this SHOULD, = and they > need to be updated to handle this new convention. >=20 > But I wonder if this a good idea. It means that a tool that = looks > for a module with a certain revision date cannot simply = check the > filenames, but need to parse all available modules (wijust=20 > to find the >=20 >=20 >=20 > o 3.4 >=20 > leaf imperial-temperature { > type int64; > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > status deprecated { > rev:status-description > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in = favor > of their metric equivalents. Use = metric-temperature > instead."; > } > description > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > } >=20 > I don't think rev:status-description is necessary / worth = it. This > can easily be written with the normal description statement = instead: >=20 > leaf imperial-temperature { > type int64; > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > status deprecated; > description > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in = favor > of their metric equivalents. Use = metric-temperature > instead. >=20 > Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > } >=20 >=20 > o 3.5 >=20 > The example modules should be legal YANG modules. Use e.g. > "urn:example:module" as namespace. >=20 > Also, the modules are missing the last "}", which confuses = the > "rfcstrip" tool. >=20 >=20 > o 4.1.1 >=20 > Alternatively, the first example could have used the = revision label > "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same set of = revisions/versions. >=20 > import example-module { > rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; > } >=20 > Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? >=20 >=20 > o 5 >=20 > I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" should be = changed to > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is not a well-known = acronym. >=20 >=20 > o 5.2.2 >=20 > Wouldn't it be better if the leaf = "deprecated-nodes-implemented" and > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boolean" rather than = type > "empty"? >=20 >=20 > o 7.1 >=20 > The text says: >=20 > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label = statements for all > newly published YANG modules, and all newly published = revisions of > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST take the = form of a > YANG semantic version number = [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver]. >=20 > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF modules use a = linear > history, so there are no reasons to use "modified semver". >=20 > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though. >=20 >=20 > o 7.1.1 >=20 > There is a missing " in: >=20 > 4. For status "obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED to keep the = "status- > description" information, from when the node had status > "deprecated, which is still relevant. > HERE -----------^ >=20 >=20 > o 8 >=20 > s/CODE ENDS>// >=20 >=20 > o Both YANG modules >=20 > All extensions should specify the grammar; i.e., in which = statements > they can be present and which substatements they can have. >=20 >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008893db05a4d5e966" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] status-description X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 17:32:21 -0000 --0000000000008893db05a4d5e966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 9:38 AM Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund wro= te: > Hi, > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote: > > Hello, > > While status-description is not a critical part of this work, it is > > still useful, does not harm and is such a small addition, I do not > > understand why Martin objects. > > Every additional statement adds to the overall complexity. As Jason > explained, this particular statement doesn't really help much. > > +1 We should not start down the path of specialized description statements. I was part of a design team many years ago that was trying to figure out why engineers were having so much trouble writing MIB modules. One significant finding: people disliked working on MIBs because there were so many special little rules (CLRs) for every little detail in the module. IMO we are starting to make the same mistake with YANG. > /martin > > Andy > > > > > So why is status-description good: > > Sometimes additional information is needed about deprecation, > > obsolescence: > > - is the item still fully functional? > > - when will its functionality be removed? > > - when will the schema node itself be removed? > > - is there a replacement or workaround that could/should be used instea= d > > - of deprecated/obsolete item? > > The text can be used by tools. Using a separate statement to provide > > this > > information is a method to separate the main description from this > > status specific description. > > In most cases both in the CLI and on NMS GUIs only the description is > > displayed. > > However there is a possibility to display the status information too. > > > > In a way it is similar why we have separate description, contact, > > reference, organization statements under module. > > All these are just text, they could all be pushed under a single > > description statement. Tools can't act on these automatically, still > > it is good to separate them. > > > > Regards Balazs > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Sterne, Jason > > (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) > > Sent: 2020. =C3=A1prilis 29., szerda 23:38 > > To: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) ; > > Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund ; netmod@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [netmod] status-description (WAS Re: mbj review of > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01) > > > > I think we could wait until YANG 2.0 to add a description to the > > status. > > > > Without a status description, an intelligent "YANG diff" of the models > > would produce this: > > a) new status deprecated statement > > b) change to a description > > > > With a status description we'd identify this: > > a) new status deprecated statement > > b) new status description > > > > In both cases it is (a) that identifies the most clear information. > > > > In both cases (b) provides no additional information that can be acted > > upon in an automated fashion. The tool could only flag that (b) > > occurred in both cases and a human would then have to go look at it. > > > > If the only change between two versions of a module was a status > > description change, then again a human would have to take a look. If > > we add some sort of "nbc" tag to the leaf for tooling, then it also > > doesn't matter which description changed. > > > > Jason > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Reshad Rahman > > > (rrahman) > > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 5:43 PM > > > To: Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund ; netmod@ietf.org > > > Subject: [netmod] rev:status-description (WAS Re: mbj review of > > > draft-verdt- > > > netmod-yang-module-versioning-01) > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/51 > > > > > > o 3.4 > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > type int64; > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > status deprecated { > > > rev:status-description > > > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in fav= or > > > of their metric equivalents. Use > metric-temperature > > > instead."; > > > } > > > description > > > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > > } > > > > > > I don't think rev:status-description is necessary / worth > it. This > > > can easily be written with the normal description statement > > > instead: > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > type int64; > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > status deprecated; > > > description > > > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in fav= or > > > of their metric equivalents. Use > metric-temperature > > > instead. > > > > > > Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > > } > > > > > > While rev:status-description isn't strictly necessary, without it we'= d > > > have to modify the node's description as you pointed out. That'd make > > > tooling more > > > difficult: is the description change BC or NBC? Also, a user looking > > > at a diff would need to go through the description change. Use of > > > rev:status- description makes this easier to handle. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahman (= rrahman)" > > > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > We've opened issues to track your review comments (see below). > > > Will kick off separate therads for each issue. > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver- > > > dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handling > > > > > > Regards, > > > Reshad. > > > > > > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Martin Bj=C3=B6rklun= d" > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Here are my review comments of > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.1.1 > > > > > > o In statements that have any data definition statements > as > > > substatements, those data definition substatements MAY > be > > > reordered, as long as they do not change the ordering > or any > > > "rpc" > > > "input" substatements. > > > > > > I think this needs to capture that no descendant statements > to > > > "input" can be reordered. Same for "output" (note, "input" > and > > > "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > All revision labels that match the pattern for the > "version" > > > typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG module MUST be > interpreted > > > as > > > YANG semantic version numbers. > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea. Seems like a layer > violation. > > > What if my project use another dialect of semver, that > wouldn't be > > > possible with this rule. I think this needs to be removed. > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label schemes that could > > > be confused > > > with the including module's revision label scheme. > > > > > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is handled > correctly? What > > > exactly does "could be confused with" mean? > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > In the filename of a YANG module, where it takes the > form: > > > module- > > > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] ( '.yang' / > > > '.yin' ) > > > > > > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? I know that 5.= 2 > just > > > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implement this SHOULD, > and they > > > need to be updated to handle this new convention. > > > > > > But I wonder if this a good idea. It means that a tool tha= t > looks > > > for a module with a certain revision date cannot simply > check the > > > filenames, but need to parse all available modules (wijust > > > to find the > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.4 > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > type int64; > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > status deprecated { > > > rev:status-description > > > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in fav= or > > > of their metric equivalents. Use > metric-temperature > > > instead."; > > > } > > > description > > > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > > } > > > > > > I don't think rev:status-description is necessary / worth > it. This > > > can easily be written with the normal description statement > > > instead: > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > type int64; > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > status deprecated; > > > description > > > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in fav= or > > > of their metric equivalents. Use > metric-temperature > > > instead. > > > > > > Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > > } > > > > > > > > > o 3.5 > > > > > > The example modules should be legal YANG modules. Use e.g. > > > "urn:example:module" as namespace. > > > > > > Also, the modules are missing the last "}", which confuses > the > > > "rfcstrip" tool. > > > > > > > > > o 4.1.1 > > > > > > Alternatively, the first example could have used the > revision > > > label > > > "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same set of > > > revisions/versions. > > > > > > import example-module { > > > rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; > > > } > > > > > > Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > > > > > > > > o 5 > > > > > > I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" should be > changed to > > > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is not a well-known > acronym. > > > > > > > > > o 5.2.2 > > > > > > Wouldn't it be better if the leaf > "deprecated-nodes-implemented" > > > and > > > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boolean" rather than > type > > > "empty"? > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label > statements for > > > all > > > newly published YANG modules, and all newly published > revisions > > > of > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST take the > form of > > > a > > > YANG semantic version number > [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver]. > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF modules use a > linear > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "modified semver". > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though. > > > > > > > > > o 7.1.1 > > > > > > There is a missing " in: > > > > > > 4. For status "obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED to keep the > "status- > > > description" information, from when the node had statu= s > > > "deprecated, which is still relevant. > > > HERE -----------^ > > > > > > > > > o 8 > > > > > > s/CODE ENDS>// > > > > > > > > > o Both YANG modules > > > > > > All extensions should specify the grammar; i.e., in which > > > statements > > > they can be present and which substatements they can have. > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --0000000000008893db05a4d5e966 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 9:38 AM Martin= Bj=C3=B6rklund <mbj+ietf@4668.se<= /a>> wrote:
H= i,

Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> While status-description is not a critical part of this work, it is > still useful, does not harm and is such a small addition, I do not
> understand why Martin objects.

Every additional statement adds to the overall complexity.=C2=A0 As Jason explained, this particular statement doesn't really help much.



+1

=
We should not start down the path of specialized description statement= s.

I was part of a design team many years ago that= was trying to
figure out why engineers were having so much troub= le writing MIB modules.
One significant finding: people disliked = working on MIBs because there were so
many special little rules (= CLRs) for every little detail in the module.=C2=A0

IMO we are starting to make the same mistake with YANG.


/martin


Andy
=C2=A0

>
> So why is status-description good:
> Sometimes additional information is needed about deprecation,
> obsolescence:
> - is the item still fully functional?
> - when will its functionality be removed?
> - when will the schema node itself be removed?
> - is there a replacement or workaround that could/should be used inste= ad
> - of deprecated/obsolete item?
> The text can be used by tools. Using a separate statement to provide > this
> information is a method to separate the main description from this
> status specific description.
> In most cases both in the CLI and on NMS GUIs only the description is<= br> > displayed.
> However there is a possibility=C2=A0 to display the status information= too.
>
> In a way it is similar why we have separate description, contact,
> reference, organization statements under module.
> All these are just text, they could all be pushed under a single
> description statement. Tools can't act on these automatically, sti= ll
> it is good to separate them.
>
> Regards Balazs
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Sterne, Jason
> (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
> Sent: 2020. =C3=A1prilis 29., szerda 23:38
> To: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) <rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>;
> Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund <mbj+ietf@4668.se>; netmod@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [netmod] status-description (WAS Re: mbj review of
> draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01)
>
> I think we could wait until YANG 2.0 to add a description to the
> status.
>
> Without a status description, an intelligent "YANG diff" of = the models
> would produce this:
> a) new status deprecated statement
> b) change to a description
>
> With a status description we'd identify this:
> a) new status deprecated statement
> b) new status description
>
> In both cases it is (a) that identifies the most clear information. >
> In both cases (b) provides no additional information that can be acted=
> upon in an automated fashion. The tool could only flag that (b)
> occurred in both cases and a human would then have to go look at it. >
> If the only change between two versions of a module was a status
> description change, then again a human would have to take a look. If > we add some sort of "nbc" tag to the leaf for tooling, then = it also
> doesn't matter which description changed.
>
> Jason
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Reshad Rahman
> > (rrahman)
> > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 5:43 PM
> > To: Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund <mbj+ietf@4668.se>; netmod@ietf.org
> > Subject: [netmod] rev:status-description (WAS Re: mbj review of <= br> > > draft-verdt-
> > netmod-yang-module-versioning-01)
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt= /issues/51
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.4
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf imperial-tem= perature {
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 type int64= ;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 units &quo= t;degrees Fahrenheit";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 status dep= recated {
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 rev= :status-description
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 "Imperial measurements are being phased out in favor
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0of their metric equivalents.=C2=A0 Use metric-temperature
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0instead.";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 descriptio= n
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &qu= ot;Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit.";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't think rev:sta= tus-description is necessary / worth it.=C2=A0 This
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0can easily be written wit= h the normal description statement
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0instead:
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf imperial-tem= perature {
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 type int64= ;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 units &quo= t;degrees Fahrenheit";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 status dep= recated;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 descriptio= n
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 "Imperial measurements are being phased out in favor
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0of their metric equivalents.=C2=A0 Use metric-temperature
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0instead.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit.";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> >
> > While rev:status-description isn't strictly necessary, withou= t it we'd
> > have to modify the node's description as you pointed out. Tha= t'd make
> > tooling more
> > difficult: is the description change BC or NBC? Also, a user look= ing
> > at a diff would need to go through the description change. Use of= =C2=A0
> > rev:status- description makes this easier to handle.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Reshad.
> >
> >
> >
> > =EF=BB=BFOn 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad= Rahman (rrahman)"
> > <= netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of
> > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi Martin,
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0We've opened issues to track your review c= omments (see below).
> > Will kick off separate therads for each issue.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang= -ver-
> > dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handli= ng
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Regards,
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reshad.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf= of Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund"
> > <netmod- bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mbj+ietf@4668.se> wrote:
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi,
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Here are my review comments of > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-v= ersioning-01.
> >
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.1.1
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 In stateme= nts that have any data definition statements as
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 substateme= nts, those data definition substatements MAY be
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 reordered,= as long as they do not change the ordering or any
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "rpc&= quot;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "inpu= t" substatements.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I think this needs to cap= ture that no descendant statements to
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"input" can be = reordered.=C2=A0 Same for "output" (note, "input" and > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"output" in bot= h "rpc" and "action").
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.3
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All revision label= s that match the pattern for the "version"
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0typedef in the iet= f-yang-semver YANG module MUST be interpreted
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0as
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0YANG semantic vers= ion numbers.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't think this is= a good idea.=C2=A0 Seems like a layer violation.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What if my project use an= other dialect of semver, that wouldn't be
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0possible with this rule.= =C2=A0 I think this needs to be removed.
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.3
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Submodules MUST NO= T use revision label schemes that could
> > be confused
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0with the including= module's revision label scheme.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hmm, how do I ensure that= this MUST NOT is handled correctly?=C2=A0 What
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0exactly does "could = be confused with" mean?
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.3
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In the file= name of a YANG module, where it takes the form:
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0module-
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or-submodul= e-name ['@' revision-label] ( '.yang' /
> > '.yin' )
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Should this section updat= e 5.2 of RFC 7950?=C2=A0 I know that 5.2 just
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0says "SHOULD".= =C2=A0 But existing tools implement this SHOULD, and they
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0need to be updated to han= dle this new convention.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0But I wonder if this a go= od idea.=C2=A0 It means that a tool that looks
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0for a module with a certa= in revision date cannot simply check the
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0filenames, but need to pa= rse all available modules (wijust
> > to find the
> >
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.4
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf imperial-tem= perature {
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 type int64= ;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 units &quo= t;degrees Fahrenheit";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 status dep= recated {
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 rev= :status-description
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 "Imperial measurements are being phased out in favor
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0of their metric equivalents.=C2=A0 Use metric-temperature
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0instead.";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 descriptio= n
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &qu= ot;Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit.";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't think rev:sta= tus-description is necessary / worth it.=C2=A0 This
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0can easily be written wit= h the normal description statement
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0instead:
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf imperial-tem= perature {
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 type int64= ;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 units &quo= t;degrees Fahrenheit";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 status dep= recated;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 descriptio= n
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 "Imperial measurements are being phased out in favor
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0of their metric equivalents.=C2=A0 Use metric-temperature
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0instead.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit.";
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.5
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The example modules shoul= d be legal YANG modules.=C2=A0 Use e.g.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"urn:example:module&= quot; as namespace.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Also, the modules are mis= sing the last "}", which confuses the
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"rfcstrip" tool= .
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o 4.1.1
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Alternatively, the= first example could have used the revision
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0label
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"1.0.0" = instead, which selects the same set of
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0revisions/versions= .
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0import example-mod= ule {
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0rev:revisio= n-or-derived 1.0.0;
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Shouldn't this be s/1= .0.0/2.0.0/g ?
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 5
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I think the module name &= quot;ietf-yl-revisions" should be changed to
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"ietf-yang-library-r= evisions".=C2=A0 =C2=A0"yl" is not a well-known acronym.
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 5.2.2
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Wouldn't it be better= if the leaf "deprecated-nodes-implemented"
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"obsolete-nodes-abse= nt" were of type "boolean" rather than type
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"empty"?
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 7.1
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The text says:
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All IETF YANG modu= les MUST include revision-label statements for
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0all
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0newly published YA= NG modules, and all newly published revisions
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0of
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0existing YANG modu= les.=C2=A0 The revision-label MUST take the form of
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0a
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0YANG semantic vers= ion number [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver].
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I strongly disagree with = this new rule.=C2=A0 IETF modules use a linear
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0history, so there are no = reasons to use "modified semver".
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It is ok to use rev:nbc-c= hanges if needed, though.
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o 7.1.1
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0There is a missing "= in:
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.=C2=A0 For status &quo= t;obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED to keep the "status-
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 descriptio= n" information, from when the node had status
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "depr= ecated, which is still relevant.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 HERE=C2=A0 -----------^
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 8
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0s/CODE ENDS>/<CODE = ENDS>/
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o Both YANG modules
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All extensions should spe= cify the grammar; i.e., in which
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0statements
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0they can be present and w= hich substatements they can have.
> >
> >
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/martin
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0________________________________= _______________
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> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.i= etf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
> >
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> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/mailma= n/listinfo/netmod
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10024) with ESMTP id wmGq23caPrp9 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 01:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674773A15D2 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 01:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stubbs.int.chopps.org (047-050-069-038.biz.spectrum.com [47.50.69.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A897E611EC; Tue, 5 May 2020 08:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Christian Hopps In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 04:37:19 -0400 Cc: Christian Hopps , "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0533F71D-C017-40A5-B953-21FFF9CBD1FB@chopps.org> References: To: "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 08:37:23 -0000 An action is defined as being something bound to a node. Talking about = actions that aren't bound to a node is talking about RPCs AFAICT. In the = server it just comes down to passing the bound node data in to the = function or not. Defining "unbound actions" to replace RPCs is just = different syntax for the same thing, right? Having 2 ways to do the same = thing wouldn't help make servers easier to implement (it would do the = opposite actually). Thanks, Chris. > On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) = wrote: >=20 > Yes - the intent was to address the limitation that an RPC can only be = at root. Actions can be out in a tree & nicely associated with something = (e.g. instead of having a pile of flat RPCs with long names that encode = containers like reset-www-xxx-yyy-zzz-entity). > =20 > But I don't really understand why we limited actions from being at the = root. It prevents a strategy of implementing all operations in a server = (some of which may be desirable at root for various reasons, some of = which may be desirable in the tree) as actions. > =20 > Why not allow this? > =20 > module bar { > action do-stuff { > input { > leaf iterations { > type uint8; > } > } > }=20 > }=20 > }=20 > =20 > Which could be called from NETCONF like this: > =20 > xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1..0"> > > > 5 > > > > =20 > =20 > Jason > =20 > From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) =20 > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:31 AM > To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; = netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? > =20 > I don=E2=80=99t know the history on this but the intent is to have = action tied to a data node. > =20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.15 > The difference between an action and an rpc is that an action is = tied > to a node in the datastore, whereas an rpc is not. When an action = is > invoked, the node in the datastore is specified along with the name > of the action and the input parameters. > =20 > Regards, > Reshad. > =20 > From: netmod on behalf of "Sterne, Jason = (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" > Date: Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:08 AM > To: "netmod@ietf.org" > Subject: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? > =20 > Hi all, > =20 > I was a bit surprised to find this in section 7.15 of 7950 recently: > =20 > Since an action cannot be defined at the top level of a module or = in > a "case" statement, it is an error if a grouping that contains an > action at the top of its node hierarchy is used at the top level of = a > module or in a case definition. > =20 > I realize that actions can be placed down in a schema tree (i.e. sit = in the context of a container or list), but why is it phrased that they = *must* be in a container? > =20 > RPCs are limited to being at the root. 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X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 09:18:02 -0000 On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:00:11AM +0200, Martin Bjrklund wrote: > Hi, > > If we were to redo YANG, I would prefer to have a single statement > "operation", either on the top-level, or tied to a node. > +1 /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 5 02:25:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2173A0400 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 02:25:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hq.sk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pIjheusqcybH for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 02:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hq.sk (hq.sk [81.89.59.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 260F13A03FE for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 02:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitebug.nitenet.local (chello085216197060.chello.sk [85.216.197.60]) by mail.hq.sk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B6CAE243975; Tue, 5 May 2020 11:25:06 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hq.sk; s=mail; t=1588670706; bh=lvvu1BHaFlblS+l6/926v8wF8hT4NpcQ+S+N73v9coA=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=hLyXbay5hVIUP3MDTYLMmNhrAwQ+ucoVDmMo/YST6zwlJ9IrAU5gFtJO8KvmYwLhA C2mLbooE75EaVaCwKO+KISPCZJTRsvjwJU4wfA5vALpERyF/UesqY57XxxUwnSNlW7 /wGUuud21g6ecyfeJormuaLAbCAt/pAgf/HMWcbA= To: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Bj=c3=b6rklund?= , chopps@chopps.org Cc: netmod@ietf.org References: <0533F71D-C017-40A5-B953-21FFF9CBD1FB@chopps.org> <20200505.110011.1423220937314479731.id@4668.se> From: Robert Varga Message-ID: <3756dc0d-1e56-d001-08d7-d0c347a6f107@hq.sk> Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 11:25:01 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200505.110011.1423220937314479731.id@4668.se> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TMsYxfXqBugEY0iBRKSsG6P539HkgEkM" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 09:25:12 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --6TMsYxfXqBugEY0iBRKSsG6P539HkgEkM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="d51p31hzcg2XVAJSE2cNaZ4MVsWu2xsap" --d51p31hzcg2XVAJSE2cNaZ4MVsWu2xsap Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/05/2020 11:00, Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund wrote: > Hi, >=20 > If we were to redo YANG, I would prefer to have a single statement > "operation", either on the top-level, or tied to a node. Yeah, and we could introduce 'operation' as a generalized concept and have rpc/action be just syntactic aliases for it in yang-next... :) Regards, Robert --d51p31hzcg2XVAJSE2cNaZ4MVsWu2xsap-- --6TMsYxfXqBugEY0iBRKSsG6P539HkgEkM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQI/BAEBCgApFiEEdj+N7pgGP1gKvbdQJKB0S2uuNdsFAl6xMO0LHG5pdGVAaHEu c2sACgkQJKB0S2uuNdt3iRAAvr6kz9mqXE35DglPlOdogSZhTm137hUTNnFEVD+P epECwR+zoZcOw3zBk2iXNChi10zj3dNJWmZwQMbT7/Yzkp+m0UIjXkynrq8CnOUk 6jmJ1cfr0QzXcqKaoQUgqvQF2ix97n9pBQAnnZ38Y3x25cy+8X0igfz26mfehW7s 1NOax/KgYk/qfYv2tZjWV0T3bU0KCTjrbSyUOOHq8KgMsTxgilMYgtHBD4FS7a5s B5DUW/iX4G4i1m4sBSMyON62kNTAqfdsU+Yz6DGC3laNd0vJT29Bi2V604GYEXX5 RxG6Jr8F797i9q6LyCZRL444qejNPlnZPoKS0cbiyq5GltoXXis46HrIlHwvrVYr +qrwVMUOg3PTbSs1jGhn2iae5ALBWmxft6bLAoCLSwCcyIsFr7JfbSBQJ2vJWHjV 5MNjSM50q+McIrGBEY87woyL24O+3LH+/eXp6NAl6/OvwNJbYRbu4mi5OoLzJkZR u2eGHc/oC+rRqj9Y37mvKzLBldFy1ffgYRo+vx089Vt2sbAHku7eyWyouxp3rTe4 Grf2BtM9FdnHeIDPsKOPYSTBb1J9VXhVtZFSPyOR4utGj+ZUAK2uFny7jsro33gh zJz/61kTWL2oiE2jd/wbNDfQ7FGYu62bSN2U2A2duXRTNqByv+Sb/qR/4E0MPd3Q elM= =UYfF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TMsYxfXqBugEY0iBRKSsG6P539HkgEkM-- From nobody Tue May 5 02:46:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8363A15CA for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 02:46:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id spzotGtSuH3E for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 02:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31BDB3A15FD for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 02:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544B8A2A61; Tue, 5 May 2020 09:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo13-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3xxQL06zevRj; Tue, 5 May 2020 09:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C7CEA1FEE; Tue, 5 May 2020 09:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 0459jfOP026897 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 5 May 2020 11:45:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Bj=c3=b6rklund?= Cc: chopps@chopps.org, netmod@ietf.org References: <0533F71D-C017-40A5-B953-21FFF9CBD1FB@chopps.org> <20200505.110011.1423220937314479731.id@4668.se> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 11:45:41 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200505.110011.1423220937314479731.id@4668.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 09:46:12 -0000 On 2020-05-05 11:00, Martin Bjrklund wrote: > Hi, > > If we were to redo YANG, I would prefer to have a single statement > "operation", either on the top-level, or tied to a node. So, no rpc statement, and thereby no possibility to extend NETCONF with new RPCs? (Or to be precise, YANG would extend NETCONF with exactly one RPC, called "operation"?) --Per > /martin > > Christian Hopps wrote: >> An action is defined as being something bound to a node. Talking about >> actions that aren't bound to a node is talking about RPCs AFAICT. In >> the server it just comes down to passing the bound node data in to the >> function or not. Defining "unbound actions" to replace RPCs is just >> different syntax for the same thing, right? Having 2 ways to do the >> same thing wouldn't help make servers easier to implement (it would do >> the opposite actually). >> >> Thanks, >> Chris. >> >>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yes - the intent was to address the limitation that an RPC can only be >>> at root. Actions can be out in a tree & nicely associated with >>> something (e.g. instead of having a pile of flat RPCs with long names >>> that encode containers like reset-www-xxx-yyy-zzz-entity). >>> >>> But I don't really understand why we limited actions from being at the >>> root. It prevents a strategy of implementing all operations in a >>> server (some of which may be desirable at root for various reasons, >>> some of which may be desirable in the tree) as actions. >>> >>> Why not allow this? >>> >>> module bar { >>> action do-stuff { >>> input { >>> leaf iterations { >>> type uint8; >>> } >>> } >>> } >>> } >>> } >>> >>> Which could be called from NETCONF like this: >>> >>> >> xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1..0"> >>> >>> >>> 5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) >>> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:31 AM >>> To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; >>> netmod@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? >>> >>> I dont know the history on this but the intent is to have action tied >>> to a data node. >>> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.15 >>> The difference between an action and an rpc is that an action is tied >>> to a node in the datastore, whereas an rpc is not. When an action is >>> invoked, the node in the datastore is specified along with the name >>> of the action and the input parameters. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Reshad. >>> >>> From: netmod on behalf of "Sterne, Jason >>> (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" >>> Date: Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:08 AM >>> To: "netmod@ietf.org" >>> Subject: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I was a bit surprised to find this in section 7.15 of 7950 recently: >>> >>> Since an action cannot be defined at the top level of a module or in >>> a "case" statement, it is an error if a grouping that contains an >>> action at the top of its node hierarchy is used at the top level of a >>> module or in a case definition. >>> >>> I realize that actions can be placed down in a schema tree (i.e. sit >>> in the context of a container or list), but why is it phrased that >>> they *must* be in a container? >>> >>> RPCs are limited to being at the root. 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X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 09:52:52 -0000 [As an individual contributor] Is this something that we should try and improve in a future revision of YA= NG? E.g., deprecating either rpc or action, and allow the other one to be speci= fied more flexibly? Looking at the encodings it might make more sense to m= ake rpc more generic and deprecate action. Regards, Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder > Sent: 05 May 2020 10:18 > To: Martin Bj=F6rklund > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? >=20 > On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:00:11AM +0200, Martin Bj=F6rklund wrote: > > Hi, > > > > If we were to redo YANG, I would prefer to have a single statement > > "operation", either on the top-level, or tied to a node. > > >=20 > +1 >=20 > /js >=20 > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Tue May 5 02:55:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76753A1608 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 02:55:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 09:55:17 -0000 On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:45:41AM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: > On 2020-05-05 11:00, Martin Bjrklund wrote: > > Hi, > > > > If we were to redo YANG, I would prefer to have a single statement > > "operation", either on the top-level, or tied to a node. > > So, no rpc statement, and thereby no possibility to extend NETCONF > with new RPCs? (Or to be precise, YANG would extend NETCONF with > exactly one RPC, called "operation"?) > OLD rpc foo {} list something { action bar {} } NEW operation foo {} list something { operation bar {} } Syntactic sugar if you will. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 5 03:06:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8C93A1616 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 03:06:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, 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<0533F71D-C017-40A5-B953-21FFF9CBD1FB@chopps.org> <20200505.110011.1423220937314479731.id@4668.se> <20200505095510.gs454i4ubmbs6m5u@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <7554d71a-256f-9b29-02e3-e2e7a3e0e474@hedeland.org> Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 12:06:34 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200505095510.gs454i4ubmbs6m5u@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 10:06:41 -0000 On 2020-05-05 11:55, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:45:41AM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: >> On 2020-05-05 11:00, Martin Bjrklund wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> If we were to redo YANG, I would prefer to have a single statement >>> "operation", either on the top-level, or tied to a node. >> >> So, no rpc statement, and thereby no possibility to extend NETCONF >> with new RPCs? (Or to be precise, YANG would extend NETCONF with >> exactly one RPC, called "operation"?) >> > > OLD > > rpc foo {} > list something { action bar {} } > > NEW > > operation foo {} > list something { operation bar {} } Yes, that much is obvious, my question was really about the NETCONF encoding. > Syntactic sugar if you will. So you're saying that the NETCONF encoding of "operation foo" at the top level would be an RPC called "foo", while the NETCONF encoding of "operation foo" elsewhere would be an RPC called "action"? --Per From nobody Tue May 5 03:30:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404A93A15F8 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 03:30:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.923 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.923 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, PDS_NAKED_TO_NUMERO=1.177, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=4668.se header.b=zG5CSUN+; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=q/V+lMJC Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7SbZkHZDGIpS for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 03:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C4873A0745 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 03:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682745C00CD; Tue, 5 May 2020 06:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 05 May 2020 06:30:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=4668.se; h=date :message-id:to:cc:subject:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=fm1; bh= sQqCTLOIyvd/Jwe0oBAG/O4Psh64XSIeFsUIH1ziF94=; b=zG5CSUN+qymguhjo JYP4n6xtjr9PhOwR8K0588Ke0G2C4tha2ziWs3U2OmneFTXynSsw2V/pYLxsgawV Fd4ytlVybaCyhGfYfR0oTe9Kvq2cT8qAZB3/V537SALaMBmdvqSsB9SkDP+PFxhs js8thp+bbz6OYOO+hTsCIego3yY1V/SvXSSJf8ym7FpDIbP40brhBRK3X6Jg+LPx vGENR0LS1UjityKv7KT8OnR2aEi1WU71eM41aVzptU/3afp0FKeOaeX/lwb3iY9j Z7BIMfwrUVfy8vrX0GRxXmVI8vwmbPxsHbleXE7xT5UOoGIPPZzYZJXWNQJEXy5K l2Lf6g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=sQqCTLOIyvd/Jwe0oBAG/O4Psh64XSIeFsUIH1ziF 94=; b=q/V+lMJCKmmkyuIjGUG8S1JvwZeenP88a2GiKZj8oD9xUznc5iNGtJ+pE XFfoZUJGm7sxY0GcZQEO0vnOYGx6MGFl1cezznzrgKoEz0+7KXJ8H3xBgJB16vYB UOLir6K2RBJc0+TBicAjAPEpM65KuLq2jJqFdT6wP6exgn5YyOuhCDgKqEJZwnc1 BZfICTqbCVg1B4HENgX6c++oT3bN62O2IHwly2Oi1cG+bOLgZWO+KzPwoaUZJHEs idCVzrEy53PFT3zfP8xg847xHst6hrQ2J95Jos77lYR/Hq2YhA83XCCBrkyLmJOG pCiFY+3ATBDjJu9f4yxwhOipXGrYg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrjeeigddvjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffkvffuhfgjfhfogggtgfesthhqre dtredtudenucfhrhhomhepofgrrhhtihhnuceujhpnrhhklhhunhguuceomhgsjhdoihgv thhfseegieeikedrshgvqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeitdethfdthfekteelteekve eifefhudduueekvdefleegtdevgefgteefjefgleenucfkphepudehkedrudejgedrgedr geegnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmh gsjhdoihgvthhfseegieeikedrshgv X-ME-Proxy: Received: from localhost (unknown [158.174.4.44]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 319EE3280065; Tue, 5 May 2020 06:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 12:30:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20200505.123013.1305793718479337992.id@4668.se> To: per@hedeland.org Cc: netmod@ietf.org, mbj+ietf@4668.se From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rklund?= In-Reply-To: <7554d71a-256f-9b29-02e3-e2e7a3e0e474@hedeland.org> References: <20200505095510.gs454i4ubmbs6m5u@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <7554d71a-256f-9b29-02e3-e2e7a3e0e474@hedeland.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 10:30:18 -0000 Per Hedeland wrote: > On 2020-05-05 11:55, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:45:41AM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: > >> On 2020-05-05 11:00, Martin Bj=F6rklund wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> If we were to redo YANG, I would prefer to have a single statemen= t > >>> "operation", either on the top-level, or tied to a node. > >> > >> So, no rpc statement, and thereby no possibility to extend NETCONF= > >> with new RPCs? (Or to be precise, YANG would extend NETCONF with > >> exactly one RPC, called "operation"?) > >> > > > > OLD > > > > rpc foo {} > > list something { action bar {} } > > > > NEW > > > > operation foo {} > > list something { operation bar {} } > = > Yes, that much is obvious, my question was really about the NETCONF > encoding. > = > > Syntactic sugar if you will. > = > So you're saying that the NETCONF encoding of "operation foo" at the > top level would be an RPC called "foo" Yes. > while the NETCONF encoding of > "operation foo" elsewhere would be an RPC called "action"? 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X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 10:31:05 -0000 "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" wrote: > [As an individual contributor] > = > Is this something that we should try and improve in a future revision= > of YANG? > = > E.g., deprecating either rpc or action, and allow the other one to be= > specified more flexibly? Looking at the encodings it might make more= > sense to make rpc more generic and deprecate action. No. /martin > = > Regards, > Rob > = > = > > -----Original Message----- > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Juergen > > Schoenwaelder > > Sent: 05 May 2020 10:18 > > To: Martin Bj=F6rklund > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? > > = > > On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:00:11AM +0200, Martin Bj=F6rklund wrote:= > > > Hi, > > > > > > If we were to redo YANG, I would prefer to have a single statemen= t > > > "operation", either on the top-level, or tied to a node. > > > > > = > > +1 > > = > > /js > > = > > -- > > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germ= any > > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 = > > = > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Tue May 5 04:16:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4A23A1642 for ; 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Tue, 5 May 2020 11:16:42 +0000 From: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_Bj=F6rklund?= , "per@hedeland.org" CC: "netmod@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? 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X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 11:16:48 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Martin Bj=F6rklund > Sent: 05 May 2020 11:30 > To: per@hedeland.org > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? >=20 > Per Hedeland wrote: > > On 2020-05-05 11:55, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:45:41AM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: > > >> On 2020-05-05 11:00, Martin Bj=F6rklund wrote: > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> If we were to redo YANG, I would prefer to have a single statement > > >>> "operation", either on the top-level, or tied to a node. > > >> > > >> So, no rpc statement, and thereby no possibility to extend NETCONF > > >> with new RPCs? (Or to be precise, YANG would extend NETCONF with > > >> exactly one RPC, called "operation"?) > > >> > > > > > > OLD > > > > > > rpc foo {} > > > list something { action bar {} } > > > > > > NEW > > > > > > operation foo {} > > > list something { operation bar {} } > > > > Yes, that much is obvious, my question was really about the NETCONF > > encoding. > > > > > Syntactic sugar if you will. > > > > So you're saying that the NETCONF encoding of "operation foo" at the > > top level would be an RPC called "foo" >=20 > Yes. >=20 > > while the NETCONF encoding of > > "operation foo" elsewhere would be an RPC called "action"? >=20 > Yes; or called something else. [RW]=20 What is your reasoning for not wanting to unify the encoding? E.g. always treat the encoding like action, but with the node remo= ved. 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Tue, 5 May 2020 07:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 13:28:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20200505.132854.1832500873842668567.id@4668.se> To: rwilton@cisco.com Cc: per@hedeland.org, netmod@ietf.org From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rklund?= In-Reply-To: References: <7554d71a-256f-9b29-02e3-e2e7a3e0e474@hedeland.org> <20200505.123013.1305793718479337992.id@4668.se> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 11:28:59 -0000 "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" wrote: > = > = > > -----Original Message----- > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Martin Bj=F6rkl= und > > Sent: 05 May 2020 11:30 > > To: per@hedeland.org > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG action not allowed at root? > > = > > Per Hedeland wrote: > > > On 2020-05-05 11:55, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:45:41AM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: > > > >> On 2020-05-05 11:00, Martin Bj=F6rklund wrote: > > > >>> Hi, > > > >>> > > > >>> If we were to redo YANG, I would prefer to have a single stat= ement > > > >>> "operation", either on the top-level, or tied to a node. > > > >> > > > >> So, no rpc statement, and thereby no possibility to extend NET= CONF > > > >> with new RPCs? (Or to be precise, YANG would extend NETCONF wi= th > > > >> exactly one RPC, called "operation"?) > > > >> > > > > > > > > OLD > > > > > > > > rpc foo {} > > > > list something { action bar {} } > > > > > > > > NEW > > > > > > > > operation foo {} > > > > list something { operation bar {} } > > > > > > Yes, that much is obvious, my question was really about the NETCO= NF > > > encoding. > > > > > > > Syntactic sugar if you will. > > > > > > So you're saying that the NETCONF encoding of "operation foo" at = the > > > top level would be an RPC called "foo" > > = > > Yes. > > = > > > while the NETCONF encoding of > > > "operation foo" elsewhere would be an RPC called "action"? > > = > > Yes; or called something else. > [RW] = > = > What is your reasoning for not wanting to unify the encoding? I don't want to change the protocol. > E.g. always treat the encoding like action, but with the nod= e removed. This would violate RFC 6241 which says: The name of the RPC is an element directly inside the element, and any parameters are encoded inside this element. /martin > = > Regards, > Rob > = > [As an individual contributor] > = > > = > > = > > /martin > > = > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Tue May 5 04:37:57 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303503A160A for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 04:37:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 11:37:56 -0000 On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 12:06:34PM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: > On 2020-05-05 11:55, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:45:41AM +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: > >> On 2020-05-05 11:00, Martin Bjrklund wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> If we were to redo YANG, I would prefer to have a single statement > >>> "operation", either on the top-level, or tied to a node. > >> > >> So, no rpc statement, and thereby no possibility to extend NETCONF > >> with new RPCs? (Or to be precise, YANG would extend NETCONF with > >> exactly one RPC, called "operation"?) > >> > > > > OLD > > > > rpc foo {} > > list something { action bar {} } > > > > NEW > > > > operation foo {} > > list something { operation bar {} } > > Yes, that much is obvious, my question was really about the NETCONF > encoding. > > > Syntactic sugar if you will. > > So you're saying that the NETCONF encoding of "operation foo" at the > top level would be an RPC called "foo", while the NETCONF encoding of > "operation foo" elsewhere would be an RPC called "action"? > Yes. Unless you want to change the protocol (or the protocols) as well, which would involve another WG (or even WGs). Perhaps this is what will happen if we were to start this. But ideally, we would use a YANG next activity to get the interface between YANG, the encodings of YANG defined data, and the protocols better worked out (since we now know that we have several of them to take care of and we I think we learned where we could have made things simpler). /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue May 5 04:39:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605093A07A0 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 04:39:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.921 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, PDS_NAKED_TO_NUMERO=1.177, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=4668.se header.b=1X/qwGDe; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=mfO4mCvp Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wv9WcoHlSHHw for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 04:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 834783A05A4 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 04:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DAE05C008E; Tue, 5 May 2020 07:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 05 May 2020 07:39:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=4668.se; h=date :message-id:to:cc:subject:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=fm1; bh= HFaFvkgtdcVTFRQ8J4NRSfOuWN6p7Du8Kq5QiEBsJP4=; b=1X/qwGDeHSQK0Ofq HiZIRwrkFmivc85LJ1gOXLSZi+h5yRKrTyFhdjZiJP8XDS6uIFznCFr77dEpyrvY jcFUeFbcdI1vSEv2H3CrsyBRzSamVCTSiotqOxUXFS709EfWR0uS+GC+b/0HJLtk 2y4fuSd6ZU10XXDGwphgZ2LBunZKil4kdMv6Fv0cWhyVfbLh7nKtzzQsWHXYWqXD NRh/pahadf/AVcuBCPUtZ8vOt11x5O8z16teNqmHYSC/B5tEUmcwx0PvpaKGx9Ba CVHWisbCJ0DMZ5UcPEGMyA6b2cZqHzSHGqfi1NdrYbpbOgGdEvyHNmQh5w3jw/te fiXX8w== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=HFaFvkgtdcVTFRQ8J4NRSfOuWN6p7Du8Kq5QiEBsJ P4=; b=mfO4mCvpPRrOgo2rcT3eTXxgKzled2raTQm4szv9yN91MjxWbaIiyeAqR jnWdbfY3ZhJt9hOIdxW25g2faBudfQRuzQ5Lj/No4Zgo/q+0t9mBUQoJMxD0SrFC LLF8KD+RMff/ftuoFfNF0FXqgB6CfSsKxPjhuGlg6crI7zIP9d5Ya/HUFTwgSw0z pYkSNNuTSEB4utQ+ANAaYzDGpadPJywQWnGP+IQf2COsvkHlV9yyhjYQigEmxBBY yCaHiVxFW26jpvDDWU2gFSelfWQyTHBFKIERfjBZ4HBXIWue4N2HK7pjRx5ZC5Vv Y3DXc25Hchqh1uryzgf5TiYkysdrw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrjeeigdegudcutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffkvffuhfgjfhfogggtgfesthejre dtredtvdenucfhrhhomhepofgrrhhtihhnuceujhpnrhhklhhunhguuceomhgsjhdoihgv thhfseegieeikedrshgvqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeejteegvdeuleefudduueelge efgfevvefgveeujeehhfelgefhleeiheeffffhkeenucffohhmrghinhepihgvthhfrdho rhhgnecukfhppeduheekrddujeegrdegrdeggeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtne curfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmsghjodhivghtfhesgeeiieekrdhsvg X-ME-Proxy: Received: from localhost (unknown [158.174.4.44]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6B034306602B; Tue, 5 May 2020 07:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 13:39:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20200505.133916.703258076078896929.id@4668.se> To: ietfc@btconnect.com Cc: lhotka@nic.cz, netmod@ietf.org From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rklund?= In-Reply-To: References: <158859819282.16144.11762511824828734226@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] RFC 8349 action input augment X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 11:39:23 -0000 tom petch wrote: > RFC8349 specifies an action with no input and says that modules that > use this MUST augment the input with a leaf and that the leaf must > be named destination-address. > > Is there any way that YANG can enforce either constraint? This may look correct: action activate-route { input { must '*[local-name(.) = "destination-address"]'; } ... } ... but unfortunatly we have a CLR in the definition of "input": input-stmt = input-keyword optsep "{" stmtsep ;; these stmts can appear in any order *must-stmt *(typedef-stmt / grouping-stmt) HERE---------------> 1*data-def-stmt "}" stmtsep We require "input" to have at least one data-def-stmt, which doens't make any sense, since we allow an action/rpc to not define "input" at all. /martin > > Tom Petch > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Tue May 5 08:44:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193B23A08D2 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 08:43:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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A specific revision-label identifies a specific version (variant) of the module. If two files contain YANG modules with the same module name and the same revision-label in their latest revision statement, then the two modules MUST be the same (except for possible white space at the end of each line.) This requirement should be stated in the draft. Regards Balazs -- Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist Ericsson Hungary Ltd. Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com ------=_NextPart_001_00B0_01D62304.BC125E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

I added a = new issue about draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning at https://githu= b.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/58.

A specific revision-label = identifies a specific version (variant) of the module. If two files = contain YANG modules with the same module name and the same = revision-label in their latest revision statement, then the two modules = MUST be the same (except for possible white space at the end of each = line.)

This requirement should be stated in the = draft.

Regards = Balazs

 

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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 62148d38-59a4-45fe-ae13-08d7f10b21c2 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 May 2020 15:44:00.8076 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: VwGLzTtAsCvZOLQ9nrk/GefcvJok5mF/EiqmWeCsXtS2j0mjm4Yiz8j/f3G6eg8+20zKcUYKZTBeor7XtFQm3g== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB7PR07MB4059 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] RFC 8349 action input augment X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 15:44:11 -0000 From: Martin Bj=F6rklund =0A= Sent: 05 May 2020 12:39=0A= Cc: lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org=0A= =0A= tom petch wrote:=0A= > RFC8349 specifies an action with no input and says that modules that=0A= > use this MUST augment the input with a leaf and that the leaf must=0A= > be named destination-address.=0A= >=0A= > Is there any way that YANG can enforce either constraint?=0A= =0A= This may look correct:=0A= =0A= action activate-route {=0A= input {=0A= must '*[local-name(.) =3D "destination-address"]';=0A= }=0A= ...=0A= }=0A= =0A= =0A= ... but unfortunatly we have a CLR in the definition of "input":=0A= =0A= input-stmt =3D input-keyword optsep=0A= "{" stmtsep=0A= ;; these stmts can appear in any order=0A= *must-stmt=0A= *(typedef-stmt / grouping-stmt)=0A= HERE---------------> 1*data-def-stmt=0A= "}" stmtsep=0A= =0A= =0A= We require "input" to have at least one data-def-stmt, which doens't=0A= make any sense, since we allow an action/rpc to not define "input" at=0A= all.=0A= =0A= =0A= Thanks for that. I thought there was a reason but did not think to look th= ere.=0A= =0A= As you may have guessed, I just looked at a YANG module which broke the rul= es, added a leaf but of the wrong name.=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= /martin=0A= =0A= =0A= >=0A= > Tom Petch=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= > netmod mailing list=0A= > netmod@ietf.org=0A= > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod=0A= From nobody Tue May 5 11:10:50 2020 Return-Path: <01000171e6083be2-96b2fa30-593f-4345-bf61-c3d02b8cc419-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07823A0B83 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 11:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.894 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.894 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HCA9USp0Xh9B for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 11:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-110.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-110.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E9C63A0BDC for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 11:10:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1588702231; h=From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:References:To:Date:Feedback-ID; bh=HLlMxRa0wNFd/JiP95QmeZ7Pd1ogY+lWJKgLeGnv4Yk=; b=VJ8Uhiyq7uwZp0O25Fkid9GLsiMwYCYu977uqqs5rsVddz8h4GloQQErKnnzDcgM dHL1X2BpcltzN9OqQ5fVcVigDDXALpdnK0Q1vvSGXz+G1W2d0qrsS8v0atcTu6VpHRz e/hPnXAouzCWbwLHR0LyAty6ozhXpUo7BBAtiO8Q= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3608CE64-7859-44B1-BE6D-112B7FECDDFC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-ID: <01000171e6083be2-96b2fa30-593f-4345-bf61-c3d02b8cc419-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: To: "netmod@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 18:10:31 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.05.05-54.240.48.110 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Fwd: Reminder: Survey on planning for possible online IETF meetings X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 18:10:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3608CE64-7859-44B1-BE6D-112B7FECDDFC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NETMOD WG, Please fill out this survey. Thanks! > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Alissa Cooper > Subject: Fwd: Reminder: Survey on planning for possible online IETF = meetings > Date: May 5, 2020 at 7:48:03 AM EDT > To: IETF WG Chairs >=20 > Please circulate this to your working group lists. The survey data = will be very important as we plan future IETF meetings. >=20 > Thanks, > Alissa >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: IETF Executive Director > >> Subject: Reminder: Survey on planning for possible online IETF = meetings >> Date: May 4, 2020 at 3:03:35 AM EDT >> To: "IETF Announcement List" > >> Reply-To: ietf108planning@ietf.org >>=20 >> This is a reminder that we need the IETF community to help us plan = for the possibility that one or more upcoming IETF meetings in 2020 and = possibly 2021 may not be able to go ahead in person. You can help us = with this by filling out the following survey:=20 >>=20 >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5328FFJ = >>=20 >> So far we have 114 responses and we would ideally like 500 or more. >>=20 >> The survey contains the following pages and will take 15-20 minutes = to complete: >>=20 >> 1. Welcome >> 2. Online IETF 107 and the subsequent virtual interims >> 3. Replacing a cancelled in-person meeting >> 4. Online meeting format and timezone >> 5. Replicating humming >> 6. Replicating the hallway environment >> 7. Fees >> 8. Thanks and anything else >>=20 >> We run the survey in anonymous mode which means that we only see data = that you explicitly provide. >>=20 >> Thank you in advance for your help. >>=20 >> --=20 >> Alissa Cooper, IETF Chair >> Jay Daley, IETF Executive Director >> Colin Perkins, IRTF Chair >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> IETF-Announce mailing list >> IETF-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >=20 --Apple-Mail=_3608CE64-7859-44B1-BE6D-112B7FECDDFC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii NETMOD WG,

Please fill out this survey.

Thanks!

Begin = forwarded message:

From: = Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
Subject: = Fwd: Reminder: = Survey on planning for possible online IETF meetings
Date: = May 5, 2020 at 7:48:03 AM = EDT
To: = IETF WG Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>

Please circulate this = to your working group lists. The survey data will be very important as = we plan future IETF meetings.

Thanks,
Alissa

Begin forwarded message:

From: IETF Executive Director <exec-director@ietf.org>
Subject: Reminder: Survey on planning for possible online IETF = meetings
Date: May 4, 2020 at 3:03:35 AM EDT
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Reply-To: ietf108planning@ietf.org

This is a reminder that we = need the IETF community to help us plan for the possibility that one or = more upcoming IETF meetings in 2020 and possibly 2021 may not be able to = go ahead in person.  You can help us with this by filling out the = following survey:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5328FFJ

So far we have 114 responses and we would ideally like 500 or = more.

The survey contains the following = pages and will take 15-20 minutes to complete:

1. Welcome
2. Online IETF 107 and the = subsequent virtual interims
3. Replacing a cancelled = in-person meeting
4. Online meeting format and timezone
5. Replicating humming
6. Replicating the = hallway environment
7. Fees
8. Thanks and = anything else

We run the survey in = anonymous mode which means that we only see data that you explicitly = provide.

Thank you in advance for your = help.

--
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Jay Daley, IETF Executive Director
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= --Apple-Mail=_3608CE64-7859-44B1-BE6D-112B7FECDDFC-- From nobody Wed May 6 01:13:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E549C3A0829 for ; Wed, 6 May 2020 01:13:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cesnet.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RrKEt9dk-y7h for ; Wed, 6 May 2020 01:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kalendar.cesnet.cz (kalendar.cesnet.cz [78.128.211.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B0173A0816 for ; Wed, 6 May 2020 01:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by kalendar.cesnet.cz (Postfix, from userid 999) id 92CFE60195; Wed, 6 May 2020 10:13:15 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cesnet.cz; s=kalendar; t=1588752795; bh=+/L/J1hw8Ff0CwN/wrGM2qHDkBavhED7PDh8qd/mnPI=; h=To:Date:Subject:From; b=nMSJvaH4G/j8HV72WK6d5FrWfn3rqeqhdieMwzg9y5jMS/k1yMezVuHVCTYSgXSEQ qHmNN62UzOQWTLKYYsLc9WOUSXNai9Zj79X1A54ms8Z/23HDARegyFIfkl+/EAxRwE FAV7tX4nwj5GUryw9ZwwY2LwvMUEtJs1sK1QLXes= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" To: "netmod" User-Agent: SOGoMail 2.3.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 10:13:15 +0200 Message-ID: <17c7-5eb27180-37-3fe0c5c0@155473923> X-Forward: 84.42.161.20 From: =?utf-8?q?Michal_Va=C5=A1ko?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] =?utf-8?q?NMDA_RPC/action_validation?= X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 08:13:21 -0000 Hi, when we were implementing support for NMDA, we came across the section = about actions and RPCs [1]. What I understood from it is that, effectiv= ely, all RPCs and actions are validated against the data in the operati= onal datastore. So, for example, instance-identifiers and leafref targe= ts in the RPC/action are searched for in the operational datastore. But= I realized just now that I may have interpreted this short section in = a wrong way and read between the lines. Because while the section is named "Invocation of Actions and RPCs", no= changes for RPCs are explicitly mentioned, I just assumed it does not = really make sense for them to behave differently. Also, I basically int= erpreted "invocation" as validation because I am not sure how else to u= nderstand it. It would be best if these terms could be clarified but I = am not sure it is possible since new errata is probably not the right w= ay. Thanks for clarifying this. 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What I understood from it is that, > effectively, all RPCs and actions are validated against the data in > the operational datastore. So, for example, instance-identifiers and > leafref targets in the RPC/action are searched for in the operational= > datastore. This is correct, but it is specified in section 6.1. (Note that it applies to instance-identifiers and leafrefs defined as rpc or action input parameters; not the contents of e.g. edit-config). > But I realized just now that I may have interpreted this > short section in a wrong way and read between the lines. > = > Because while the section is named "Invocation of Actions and RPCs", > no changes for RPCs are explicitly mentioned, I just assumed it does > not really make sense for them to behave differently. Also, I > basically interpreted "invocation" as validation because I am not sur= e > how else to understand it. It would be best if these terms could be > clarified but I am not sure it is possible since new errata is > probably not the right way. Note that 6.2 says that it updates 7.15 of RFC 7950, which talks about action invocation. And also note that _validation_ is handled in 6.1. The text in 6.2 says that if a server gets this action (from 7.15.3 in RFC 7950): apache-1 2014-07-29T13:42:00Z then the "server" with "name" "apache-1" must exist in the operational state datastore. /martin > = > Thanks for clarifying this. > = > Regards, > Michal > = > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8342#section-6.2 > = > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Wed May 6 03:00:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E19C3A0890 for ; Wed, 6 May 2020 03:00:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cesnet.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eZ-xkG2sksng for ; Wed, 6 May 2020 03:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kalendar.cesnet.cz (kalendar.cesnet.cz [78.128.211.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E875B3A0888 for ; Wed, 6 May 2020 03:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by kalendar.cesnet.cz (Postfix, from userid 999) id AEFB660195; Wed, 6 May 2020 12:00:16 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cesnet.cz; s=kalendar; t=1588759216; bh=SNFgBlw7PYSNiYPU+1NMU4ZZIPJ0HbrdrAPf9bPp/kA=; h=In-Reply-To:From:Date:Cc:To:Subject; b=Butnsa0N/c8YFresevQjR5c3kZW8NNdvdZycJ0f3IUfyAlYAZ8hztcIkIHyP5bGiB Lce0l+1kkBfp/e139yvvv7VkRHT7KuJG8l1m9Kr7BewUDLbP2dVWsZnjak3U5ZGImW ujxMuZBSd0kURtRykHSjjMl/eaEnd6HMneUeVHQo= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" In-Reply-To: <20200506.111221.1123263348329483465.id@4668.se> From: =?utf-8?q?Michal_Va=C5=A1ko?= X-Forward: 84.42.161.20 Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 12:00:16 +0200 Cc: netmod@ietf.org To: =?utf-8?q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6e4f-5eb28a80-15-e41fc90@148871447> User-Agent: SOGoMail 2.3.23 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] =?utf-8?b?Pz09P3V0Zi04P3E/ICBOTURBIFJQQy9hY3Rpb24gdmFs?= =?utf-8?q?idation?= X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 10:00:23 -0000 Hi Martin, right, I did not realize XPath context is also used for evaluating leaf= refs or instance-identifiers and not just must or when. Okay, so my und= erstanding is correct, thanks. Regards, Michal On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:12 CEST, Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund wrote: > Michal Va=C5=A1ko wrote: > > Hi, > > when we were implementing support for NMDA, we came across the sect= ion > > about actions and RPCs [1]. What I understood from it is that, > > effectively, all RPCs and actions are validated against the data in= > > the operational datastore. So, for example, instance-identifiers an= d > > leafref targets in the RPC/action are searched for in the operation= al> datastore. > > This is correct, but it is specified in section 6.1. > > (Note that it applies to instance-identifiers and leafrefs defined as= > rpc or action input parameters; not the contents of e.g. edit-config)= . > > > > But I realized just now that I may have interpreted this > > short section in a wrong way and read between the lines. > > > Because while the section is named "Invocation of Actions and RPC= s", > > no changes for RPCs are explicitly mentioned, I just assumed it doe= s > > not really make sense for them to behave differently. Also, I > > basically interpreted "invocation" as validation because I am not s= ure > > how else to understand it. It would be best if these terms could be= > > clarified but I am not sure it is possible since new errata is > > probably not the right way. > > Note that 6.2 says that it updates 7.15 of RFC 7950, which talks abou= t > action invocation. And also note that =5Fvalidation=5F is handled in= 6.1. > > The text in 6.2 says that if a server gets this action (from 7.15.3 i= n > RFC 7950): > > xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1.0"> > > > apache-1 > > 2014-07-29T13:42:00Z > > > > > > then the "server" with "name" "apache-1" must exist in the operationa= l > state datastore. > > > > /martin > > > > > > Thanks for clarifying this. > > > Regards, > > Michal > > > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8342#section-6.2 > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Wed May 6 03:44:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B313A0932; Wed, 6 May 2020 03:43:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Apologies if these have already bee= n discussed/closed in the WGLC. 1) Regarding the encoding of the bits datatype: [draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12, section 6.7] The CBOR YANG encoding of the bits datatype is defined as a byte string enc= oding of a bitfield. However, my concern here is that YANG bit positions a= re allowed to be up 2^32-1. E.g. the following, pathologically bad, bits definition would seem to have = a very inefficient encoding in CBOR: typedef alarm-state { type bits { bit unknown { position 4000000000; } bit under-repair; bit critical; bit major; bit minor; bit warning; bit indeterminate; } } How much should we be concerned about this pathological case? Would it be = reasonable for implementations to reject bitfields larger than a small set = size (e.g. perhaps 256 bits)? Or, if it is supported by the language then is it reasonable that implement= ation SHOULD support it? In which case I think that we might need a second= encoding of bits that supports this pathological case. Perhaps an array o= f 'set' bit positions, or alternatively the union string encoding of bits c= ould be used. 2) Regarding the encoding of unions: I was questioning whether the special encoding of bits type within a union = was required in CBOR [draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12, section 6.7]. Am I rig= ht to presume that this is to ensure that the CBOR encoding of unions is al= ways at least as specific as XML? If so, this seems like a reasonable desi= gn choice. But that leads on to these general YANG questions: Should the value encoding of a YANG union type behave the same way regardle= ss of whether the encoding is XML/JSON/CBOR? Or is it reasonable for there= to be differences in the case of conflicting values? Perhaps this is alre= ady answered by RFC 7951 that can behave differently from the XML encoding = of unions. Longer term, should YANG be looking for a discriminated-union type? Or per= haps it would be sufficient for tooling to flag up potentially ambiguous un= ion definitions, particularly those that may be encoding dependent. 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1. Welcome
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5. Replicating humming
6. Replicating the hallway environment
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--------------AD4A75261B17C6E86D6C8B84-- From nobody Wed May 6 08:52:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F603A083B; Wed, 6 May 2020 08:52:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UZcYy5NXJZH5; Wed, 6 May 2020 08:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F1CA3A084B; Wed, 6 May 2020 08:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.42.112] (p548DCD70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.205.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49HLhW5vhYzyst; Wed, 6 May 2020 17:52:43 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 17:52:43 +0200 Cc: "core@ietf.org" , "netmod@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor@ietf.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 610473163.169731-0d1a5aae028e7031f9f6528a208f3dfb Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] CBOR YANG encoding of union & bits [draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12] X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 15:52:48 -0000 Hi Rob, > 1) Regarding the encoding of the bits datatype: > [draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12, section 6.7] >=20 > The CBOR YANG encoding of the bits datatype is defined as a byte = string encoding of a bitfield. However, my concern here is that YANG = bit positions are allowed to be up 2^32-1. >=20 > E.g. the following, pathologically bad, bits definition would seem to = have a very inefficient encoding in CBOR: >=20 > typedef alarm-state { > type bits { > bit unknown { > position 4000000000; My knee jerk reaction would be =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t do that then=E2=80=9D= [1]. [1]: http://catb.org/jargon/html/D/Don-t-do-that-then-.html > } > bit under-repair; > bit critical; > bit major; > bit minor; > bit warning; > bit indeterminate; > } > } >=20 >=20 > How much should we be concerned about this pathological case? Would = it be reasonable for implementations to reject bitfields larger than a = small set size (e.g. perhaps 256 bits)? >=20 > Or, if it is supported by the language then is it reasonable that = implementation SHOULD support it? In which case I think that we might = need a second encoding of bits that supports this pathological case. = Perhaps an array of 'set' bit positions, or alternatively the union = string encoding of bits could be used. This could reduce the attack vector by malicious YANG specification, but = I think an arbitrary limit (such as the 256 mentioned above) should = work, too. (Except that arbitrary limits always come back to bite you, but that=E2=80= =99s what we have software maintenance contracts for.) > 2) Regarding the encoding of unions: >=20 > I was questioning whether the special encoding of bits type within a = union was required in CBOR [draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12, section 6.7]. = Am I right to presume that this is to ensure that the CBOR encoding of = unions is always at least as specific as XML? If so, this seems like a = reasonable design choice. =20 The semantics of Union types in YANG is closely married to the XML = representation of YANG; if two branches of a union have a (non-empty) = intersection in their XML encoding, this ambiguity is pretty much = considered a feature. So YANG-CBOR falls back to something that looks more like XML encoding = (i.e., is less efficient) in unions. The one nice thing is that a YANG spec writer can avoid the pathology by = not using unions in this way; unfortunately, the fallback cannot rely on = recognizing that the intersection is non-empty. It occurs to me that this fallback could also be used for the above = anomalies; we would need to agree on a threshold when that becomes = active. > But that leads on to these general YANG questions: >=20 > Should the value encoding of a YANG union type behave the same way = regardless of whether the encoding is XML/JSON/CBOR? =20 Of course it =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D, while retaining reasonableness = for each of the encodings, but that ship seems to have sailed (at least = for 1.0/1.1). > Or is it reasonable for there to be differences in the case of = conflicting values? Perhaps this is already answered by RFC 7951 that = can behave differently from the XML encoding of unions. >=20 > Longer term, should YANG be looking for a discriminated-union type? = Or perhaps it would be sufficient for tooling to flag up potentially = ambiguous union definitions, particularly those that may be encoding = dependent. These are all good questions. I don=E2=80=99t have an answer, except that the marriage of YANG to XML = semantics probably should get a divorce at some point. 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However, my concern here is that YANG bit > positions are allowed to be up 2^32-1. > > > > E.g. the following, pathologically bad, bits definition would seem to > have a very inefficient encoding in CBOR: > > > > typedef alarm-state { > > type bits { > > bit unknown { > > position 4000000000; > > My knee jerk reaction would be =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t do that then=E2=80= =9D [1]. > > [1]: http://catb.org/jargon/html/D/Don-t-do-that-then-.html > > I remember this issue was discussed by the WG. The only real reason to assign explicit bit positions is to match some protocol specification, which would never waste space in a bitset. Rob has a valid concern -- what if a large bit position is encountered? > > } > > bit under-repair; > > bit critical; > > bit major; > > bit minor; > > bit warning; > > bit indeterminate; > > } > > } > > > > > > How much should we be concerned about this pathological case? Would it > be reasonable for implementations to reject bitfields larger than a small > set size (e.g. perhaps 256 bits)? > > > > Or, if it is supported by the language then is it reasonable that > implementation SHOULD support it? In which case I think that we might ne= ed > a second encoding of bits that supports this pathological case. Perhaps = an > array of 'set' bit positions, or alternatively the union string encoding = of > bits could be used. > > This could reduce the attack vector by malicious YANG specification, but = I > think an arbitrary limit (such as the 256 mentioned above) should work, t= oo. > (Except that arbitrary limits always come back to bite you, but that=E2= =80=99s > what we have software maintenance contracts for.) > > This is the approach we started with for the union type but ended up changing it later. It is better to fully support YANG semantics with a less efficient encoding, rather than tag some YANG modules as "unsupportable". > 2) Regarding the encoding of unions: > > > > I was questioning whether the special encoding of bits type within a > union was required in CBOR [draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12, section 6.7]. = Am > I right to presume that this is to ensure that the CBOR encoding of union= s > is always at least as specific as XML? If so, this seems like a reasonab= le > design choice. > > The semantics of Union types in YANG is closely married to the XML > representation of YANG; if two branches of a union have a (non-empty) > intersection in their XML encoding, this ambiguity is pretty much > considered a feature. > So YANG-CBOR falls back to something that looks more like XML encoding > (i.e., is less efficient) in unions. > The one nice thing is that a YANG spec writer can avoid the pathology by > not using unions in this way; unfortunately, the fallback cannot rely on > recognizing that the intersection is non-empty. > > It occurs to me that this fallback could also be used for the above > anomalies; we would need to agree on a threshold when that becomes active= . > > Would it be possible to have 2 encoding formats for bits? 1) binary encoding using bit positions (only bit positions 0 -- 255 allowed) 2) YANG XML encoding using bit names (any bit positions over position 255) The client and server already have to deal with the YANG XML encoding for union types so this would not be that different. > > But that leads on to these general YANG questions: > > > > Should the value encoding of a YANG union type behave the same way > regardless of whether the encoding is XML/JSON/CBOR? > > Of course it =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D, while retaining reasonableness for= each of the > encodings, but that ship seems to have sailed (at least for 1.0/1.1). > > > Or is it reasonable for there to be differences in the case of > conflicting values? Perhaps this is already answered by RFC 7951 that ca= n > behave differently from the XML encoding of unions. > > > > Longer term, should YANG be looking for a discriminated-union type? Or > perhaps it would be sufficient for tooling to flag up potentially ambiguo= us > union definitions, particularly those that may be encoding dependent. > > These are all good questions. > I don=E2=80=99t have an answer, except that the marriage of YANG to XML s= emantics > probably should get a divorce at some point. > > This is already the case but the RFCs have not caught up yet. If YANG is ever updated the XML-specific text will probably get moved to a separate document. > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > Andy > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --00000000000094260e05a4fd1028 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 8:52 AM Carste= n Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
Hi Rob,

> 1) Regarding the encoding of the bits datatype:
> [draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12, section 6.7]
>
> The CBOR YANG encoding of the bits datatype is defined as a byte strin= g encoding of a bitfield.=C2=A0 However, my concern here is that YANG bit p= ositions are allowed to be up 2^32-1.
>
> E.g. the following, pathologically bad, bits definition would seem to = have a very inefficient encoding in CBOR:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0typedef alarm-state {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type bits {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bit unknown {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0position 4000000000;

My knee jerk reaction would be =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t do that then=E2=80=9D= [1].

[1]: http://catb.org/jargon/html/D/Don-t-do-th= at-then-.html


I remember this issue was discussed by= the WG.
The only real reason to assign explicit bit positions is= to match some protocol specification,
which would never waste sp= ace in a bitset.

Rob has a valid concern -- what i= f a large bit position is encountered?
=C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bit under-repair;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bit critical;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bit major;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bit minor;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bit warning;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bit indeterminate;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0}
>
>
> How much should we be concerned about this pathological case?=C2=A0 Wo= uld it be reasonable for implementations to reject bitfields larger than a = small set size (e.g. perhaps 256 bits)?
>
> Or, if it is supported by the language then is it reasonable that impl= ementation SHOULD support it?=C2=A0 In which case I think that we might nee= d a second encoding of bits that supports this pathological case.=C2=A0 Per= haps an array of 'set' bit positions, or alternatively the union st= ring encoding of bits could be used.

This could reduce the attack vector by malicious YANG specification, but I = think an arbitrary limit (such as the 256 mentioned above) should work, too= .
(Except that arbitrary limits always come back to bite you, but that=E2=80= =99s what we have software maintenance contracts for.)



This is the approach we= started with for the union type but ended up changing it later.
= It is better to fully support YANG semantics with a less efficient encoding= , rather than
tag some YANG modules as "unsupportable".=

> 2) Regarding the encoding of unions:
>
> I was questioning whether the special encoding of bits type within a u= nion was required in CBOR [draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12, section 6.7].=C2= =A0 Am I right to presume that this is to ensure that the CBOR encoding of = unions is always at least as specific as XML?=C2=A0 If so, this seems like = a reasonable design choice.=C2=A0

The semantics of Union types in YANG is closely married to the XML represen= tation of YANG; if two branches of a union have a (non-empty) intersection = in their XML encoding, this ambiguity is pretty much considered a feature.<= br> So YANG-CBOR falls back to something that looks more like XML encoding (i.e= ., is less efficient) in unions.
The one nice thing is that a YANG spec writer can avoid the pathology by no= t using unions in this way; unfortunately, the fallback cannot rely on reco= gnizing that the intersection is non-empty.

It occurs to me that this fallback could also be used for the above anomali= es; we would need to agree on a threshold when that becomes active.



Would it be possib= le to have 2 encoding formats for bits?=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A01) bin= ary encoding using bit positions (only bit positions 0 -- 255 allowed)
=C2=A0 =C2=A02) YANG XML encoding using bit names (any bit positions = over position 255)

The client and server already h= ave to deal with the YANG XML encoding for union types
so this wo= uld not be that different.

=C2=A0
> But that leads on to these general YANG questions:
>
> Should the value encoding of a YANG union type behave the same way reg= ardless of whether the encoding is XML/JSON/CBOR?=C2=A0

Of course it =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D, while retaining reasonableness for e= ach of the encodings, but that ship seems to have sailed (at least for 1.0/= 1.1).

> Or is it reasonable for there to be differences in the case of conflic= ting values?=C2=A0 Perhaps this is already answered by RFC 7951 that can be= have differently from the XML encoding of unions.
>
> Longer term, should YANG be looking for a discriminated-union type?=C2= =A0 Or perhaps it would be sufficient for tooling to flag up potentially am= biguous union definitions, particularly those that may be encoding dependen= t.

These are all good questions.
I don=E2=80=99t have an answer, except that the marriage of YANG to XML sem= antics probably should get a divorce at some point.



This is already the cas= e but the RFCs have not caught up yet.
If YANG is ever updated th= e XML-specific text will probably get moved to a separate document.
=C2=A0
Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten



Andy
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In which case I think that we mig= ht >> need a second encoding of bits that supports this pathological case. >> Perhaps an array of 'set' bit positions, or alternatively the union >> string encoding of bits could be used. > This could reduce the attack vector by malicious YANG specification, > but I think an arbitrary limit (such as the 256 mentioned above) shou= ld > work, too. (Except that arbitrary limits always come back to bite yo= u, > but that=E2=80=99s what we have software maintenance contracts for.) I think that the YANG knows what the maximum value is. So I think that anyone generating code from specific YANG definitions could size their array based upon that value. 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In which case I think that we > might > >> need a second encoding of bits that supports this pathological cas= e. > >> Perhaps an array of 'set' bit positions, or alternatively the unio= n > >> string encoding of bits could be used. > > > This could reduce the attack vector by malicious YANG specification= , > > but I think an arbitrary limit (such as the 256 mentioned above) > should > > work, too. (Except that arbitrary limits always come back to bite > you, > > but that=E2=80=99s what we have software maintenance contracts for.= ) > > I think that the YANG knows what the maximum value is. > So I think that anyone generating code from specific YANG definitions cou= ld > size their array based upon that value. > If it's a generic decoder for YANG encoded content, then it might need > a hint from the application, or it could have a compile-time arbitrary > limit. > > There are 2 competing goals: fidelity and efficiency For network management and telemetry, fidelity is critical. Missing data and altered data are dealbreakers. I think 1 point Rob is making is that the bitset encoding can end up being much less efficient than an XSD-style list of tokens. Encoding bit position 4 million requires an octet string 500,000 bytes long. Obviously not a workable solution, even for an unconstrained device/network= . Also not OK to drop bit values that seem too big for the implementation. That is not reliable enough. Why is the bit position allowed to be a uint32 in YANG? Who knows, but it has to be supported. -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- > _______________________ Andy > ________________________ > core mailing list > core@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core > --000000000000b41f1e05a51a94e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 10:22 AM Micha= el Richardson <mcr+ietf@sande= lman.ca> wrote:

Carsten Bormann <cabo@= tzi.org> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> Or, if it is supported by the language then is it re= asonable that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> implementation SHOULD support it?=C2=A0 In which cas= e I think that we might
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> need a second encoding of bits that supports this pa= thological case.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> Perhaps an array of 'set' bit positions, or = alternatively the union
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> string encoding of bits could be used.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > This could reduce the attack vector by malicious YANG sp= ecification,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > but I think an arbitrary limit (such as the 256 mentione= d above) should
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > work, too.=C2=A0 (Except that arbitrary limits always co= me back to bite you,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > but that=E2=80=99s what we have software maintenance con= tracts for.)

I think that the YANG knows what the maximum value is.
So I think that anyone generating code from specific YANG definitions could=
size their array based upon that value.
If it's a generic decoder for YANG encoded content, then it might need<= br> a hint from the application, or it could have a compile-time arbitrary limi= t.


There are 2 competing goals: fidelity = and efficiency

For network management and telemetr= y, fidelity is critical.
Missing data and altered data are dealbr= eakers.

I think 1 point Rob is making is that the = bitset encoding can end up being much less efficient
than an XSD-= style list of tokens.=C2=A0 Encoding bit position 4 million requires an oct= et string 500,000 bytes long.
Obviously not a workable= solution, even for an unconstrained device/network.
Also not OK = to drop bit values that seem too big for the implementation.
That= is not reliable enough.

Why is the=C2=A0bit posit= ion allowed to be a uint32 in YANG? Who knows, but it has to=C2=A0be suppor= ted.

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Who knows, but = it has to be supported. If we think that is the way to go, I like Kio=E2=80=99s proposal over in = the CBOR list: We probably should arm that with some text that says (in nicer words) = that this is an emergency representation and implementations should not = invoke it for sane YANG models (with an operable definition of sane). 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: XpklBM17mF/GuS7cLSxaty6n+Nb2RG9gotse0NCamJ46LZbTahbcokFAk/FZEy5iCug0buN24WZJw23xoEX6/g== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM0PR07MB5315 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Question related to ietf-netconf-with-defaults X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 15:26:48 -0000 --_000_AM0PR07MB4547599E2676EAB2E681711E94A20AM0PR07MB4547eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seems that I better address this subject to ietf-netmode. Sorry for the trouble. Regards, Bart From: netconf On Behalf Of Bogaert, Bart (Nokia = - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:55 PM To: netconf@ietf.org Subject: [netconf] Question related to ietf-netconf-with-defaults Hi, I have a question related to the with-defaults capability and the how a NC = server should be dealing with schema-defaults. 1. Assume the following model: module leaf-has-default { yang-version 1.1; namespace "http://www.example.com/lhd"; prefix lhd; container contains-leafs { leaf num-value { type uint32; default 1; } leaf string-value { type string; default "bla"; } } } 1. The server does not support ietf-netconf-with-defaults Using an RPC we configure the node 'string-value' to "bla" (which coincides= with the schema-default). But the optional 'num-value' has been defined w= ith a schema-default. I'm assuming that the server will return the value 1= in case it receives a get-config request, correct? 1. Now assume that the model is changed so that the schema-default of nu= m-value is changed to 5 and the schema-default is changed to "blabla" and t= he server is restarted with this new module (or does an in-service upgrade) My assumption is that the server now: * returns 5 for the node 'num-value' (new schema-default and node was n= ot configured explicitly) * but still returns 'bla' for the node 'string-value' (as this node was= configured explicitly but happened to be configured to the schema-default0= to the same get-config request. Is that understanding correct? I'm not looking at this topic from the view-point whether this is good YANG= -practice but from the viewpoint of what must be expected from a NC server = implementation. Best regards, Bart --_000_AM0PR07MB4547599E2676EAB2E681711E94A20AM0PR07MB4547eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Seems that I better address thi= s subject to ietf-netmode.

 

Sorry for the trouble.

 

Regards, Bart=

 

From: netconf <netconf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:55 PM
To: netconf@ietf.org
Subject: [netconf] Question related to ietf-netconf-with-defaults

 

Hi,

 

I have a question related to th= e with-defaults capability and the how a NC server should be dealing with s= chema-defaults.

 

  1. Assume the following model:

    2.  

    module leaf-has-default {<= /o:p>

      yang-version 1.1;

      namespace "http://www.example.com/lhd";<= /o:p>

      prefix lhd;

     

      container contains-leafs= {

        leaf num-val= ue {

          = type uint32;

          = default 1;

        }=

        leaf string-= value {

          = type string;

          = default “bla”;

        }=

      }

    }

     

    1. The server does not support ietf-netconf-with-defaults=

     

    Using an RPC we configure the n= ode ‘string-value’ to “bla” (which coincides with t= he schema-default).  But the optional ‘num-value’ has been= defined with a schema-default.  I’m assuming that the server wi= ll return the value 1 in case it receives a get-config request, correct?

     

    1. Now assume that the model is changed so that the schem= a-default of num-value is changed to 5 and the schema-default is changed to= “blabla” and the server is restarted with this new module (or = does an in-service upgrade)

     

    My assumption is that the serve= r now:

    • returns 5 for the node ‘num-value’ (= new schema-default and node was not configured explicitly)
    • but still returns ‘bla’ for th= e node ‘string-value’ (as this node was configured explicitly b= ut happened to be configured to the schema-default0 to the same get-config request.

     

    Is that understanding correct?<= o:p>

     

    I’m not looking at this t= opic from the view-point whether this is good YANG-practice but from the vi= ewpoint of what must be expected from a NC server implementation.

     

    Best regards, Bart

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Who knows, but > it has to be supported. > > If we think that is the way to go, I like Kio=E2=80=99s proposal over in = the CBOR > list: > > > Yes -- this encoding should work well > We probably should arm that with some text that says (in nicer words) tha= t > this is an emergency representation and implementations should not invoke > it for sane YANG models (with an operable definition of sane). > > Not sure what this means. Wouldn't this map approach be used all the time for a bits type? The "normal" case would be a small number of octets representing all the bits present (e..g 0x7 for 3 bits : bit 0 to bit 2) This would simply be 1 map entry with {offset=3D0,length=3D1,value=3D0x7} The actual bitmap is conceptually constructed by starting with an array of zero bytes. Overlapping offsets are allowed. Duplicate offsets are allowed. There is no requirement to list offsets in ascending order. There is no canonical representation. Each map entry is added to the array using a "bit or" operator. After all map entries are processed the full bits value is known. This allows an implementation to encode bits serially (often done this way with YANG bit names) So the same bitset 0x7 could be sent different ways including: { 0, 1, 0x1 } { 0, 1, 0x2 } { 0, 1, 0x4 } If the position is really bit 4 million (bit 1 in byte 500,000) { 0, 500000, 0x1 } > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > Andy --000000000000be42b905a524f9e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:22 PM Carst= en Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:<= br>
On 2020-05-08, a= t 05:27, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:
>
> Why is the bit position allowed to be a uint32 in YANG? Who knows, but= it has to be supported.

If we think that is the way to go, I like Kio=E2=80=99s proposal over in th= e CBOR list:
<https://mailarchive.ietf.o= rg/arch/msg/cbor/3sZ4YfWLzmVVnNnQbttkovgjTP8>



Yes -- this encoding sh= ould work well
=C2=A0
We probably should arm that with some text that says (in nicer words) that = this is an emergency representation and implementations should not invoke i= t for sane YANG models (with an operable definition of sane).



Not sure what this mean= s.
Wouldn't this map approach be used all the time for a bits= type?
The "normal" case would be a small number of oct= ets representing all the bits present
=C2=A0(e..g 0x7 for 3 bits = : bit 0 to bit 2)
This would simply be 1 map entry with {offset= =3D0,length=3D1,value=3D0x7}

The actual bitmap is = conceptually constructed by starting with an array of zero bytes.
Overlapping offsets are allowed. Duplicate offsets are allowed.
= There is no requirement to=C2=A0list offsets in ascending order.
= There is no canonical representation.

Each map ent= ry is added to the array using a "bit or" operator.
Aft= er all map entries are processed the full bits value is known.
Th= is allows an implementation to encode bits serially (often done this way wi= th YANG bit names)

So the same bitset 0x7 could be= sent different ways including:

=C2=A0 { 0, 1, 0x1= }
=C2=A0 { 0, 1, 0x2 }
=C2=A0 { 0, 1, 0x4 }
=
If the position is really bit 4 million (bit 1 in byte 500,0= 00)

=C2=A0 { 0, 500000, 0x1 }

=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten



Andy
=C2=A0
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Who knows, but >> it has to be supported. >> >> If we think that is the way to go, I like Kio=E2=80=99s proposal over in= the CBOR >> list: >> >> >> > > Yes -- this encoding should work well > > >> We probably should arm that with some text that says (in nicer words) >> that this is an emergency representation and implementations should not >> invoke it for sane YANG models (with an operable definition of sane). >> >> > > Not sure what this means. > Wouldn't this map approach be used all the time for a bits type? > The "normal" case would be a small number of octets representing all the > bits present > (e..g 0x7 for 3 bits : bit 0 to bit 2) > This would simply be 1 map entry with {offset=3D0,length=3D1,value=3D0x7} > > The actual bitmap is conceptually constructed by starting with an array o= f > zero bytes. > Overlapping offsets are allowed. Duplicate offsets are allowed. > There is no requirement to list offsets in ascending order. > There is no canonical representation. > > Each map entry is added to the array using a "bit or" operator. > After all map entries are processed the full bits value is known. > This allows an implementation to encode bits serially (often done this wa= y > with YANG bit names) > > So the same bitset 0x7 could be sent different ways including: > > { 0, 1, 0x1 } > { 0, 1, 0x2 } > { 0, 1, 0x4 } > > If the position is really bit 4 million (bit 1 in byte 500,000) > > { 0, 500000, 0x1 } > > oops: correction: (bit 0 in byte 500000) { 500000, 1, 0x1 } > > >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >> >> > > Andy > > --00000000000036b30b05a5251127 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM Andy B= ierman <andy@yumaworks.com>= wrote:


On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:22 PM Carsten Borma= nn <cabo@tzi.org&g= t; wrote:
On 202= 0-05-08, at 05:27, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:
>
> Why is the bit position allowed to be a uint32 in YANG? Who knows, but= it has to be supported.

If we think that is the way to go, I like Kio=E2=80=99s proposal over in th= e CBOR list:
<https://mailarchive.ietf.o= rg/arch/msg/cbor/3sZ4YfWLzmVVnNnQbttkovgjTP8>



Yes -- this encoding sh= ould work well
=C2=A0
We probably should arm that with some text that says (in nicer words) that = this is an emergency representation and implementations should not invoke i= t for sane YANG models (with an operable definition of sane).



Not sure what this mean= s.
Wouldn't this map approach be used all the time for a bits= type?
The "normal" case would be a small number of oct= ets representing all the bits present
=C2=A0(e..g 0x7 for 3 bits = : bit 0 to bit 2)
This would simply be 1 map entry with {offset= =3D0,length=3D1,value=3D0x7}

The actual bitmap is = conceptually constructed by starting with an array of zero bytes.
Overlapping offsets are allowed. Duplicate offsets are allowed.
= There is no requirement to=C2=A0list offsets in ascending order.
= There is no canonical representation.

Each map ent= ry is added to the array using a "bit or" operator.
Aft= er all map entries are processed the full bits value is known.
Th= is allows an implementation to encode bits serially (often done this way wi= th YANG bit names)

So the same bitset 0x7 could be= sent different ways including:

=C2=A0 { 0, 1, 0x1= }
=C2=A0 { 0, 1, 0x2 }
=C2=A0 { 0, 1, 0x4 }
=
If the position is really bit 4 million (bit 1 in byte 500,0= 00)

=C2=A0 { 0, 500000, 0x1 }

=

oops: correction:=C2=A0 (bit 0= in byte 500000)

=C2=A0 { 500000, 1, 0x1 }
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten



Andy
=C2=A0
--00000000000036b30b05a5251127-- From nobody Fri May 8 10:48:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AC73A0E6D; Fri, 8 May 2020 10:48:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X9YtZCz2C4_H; Fri, 8 May 2020 10:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14F973A0F81; Fri, 8 May 2020 10:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Fri, 8 May 2020 10:48:08 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Andy Bierman' , 'Carsten Bormann' CC: , References: <28486.1588785684@localhost> <8F06BFE6-CE7C-4D10-AC61-24AAA2807E45@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 10:48:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000701d62560$d681d790$838586b0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01D62526.2A23E9F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGvOgo1j9qnmiUTiQ47GeqPTSRnBgJo+5o3AkgWSoMCnG1H8QJr3z1uAQLtspwCHJEHgaiFhoQQ Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] [core] CBOR YANG encoding of union & bits [draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12] X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 17:48:50 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D62526.2A23E9F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does yang consider that there is a difference between a bit being = present and zero and a bit being absent? =20 From: core On Behalf Of Andy Bierman Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:58 AM To: Carsten Bormann Cc: core@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [core] [netmod] CBOR YANG encoding of union & bits = [draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12] =20 =20 =20 On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM Andy Bierman > wrote: =20 =20 On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:22 PM Carsten Bormann > wrote: On 2020-05-08, at 05:27, Andy Bierman > wrote: >=20 > Why is the bit position allowed to be a uint32 in YANG? Who knows, but = it has to be supported. If we think that is the way to go, I like Kio=E2=80=99s proposal over in = the CBOR list: =20 =20 Yes -- this encoding should work well =20 We probably should arm that with some text that says (in nicer words) = that this is an emergency representation and implementations should not = invoke it for sane YANG models (with an operable definition of sane). =20 =20 Not sure what this means. Wouldn't this map approach be used all the time for a bits type? The "normal" case would be a small number of octets representing all the = bits present (e..g 0x7 for 3 bits : bit 0 to bit 2) This would simply be 1 map entry with = {offset=3D0,length=3D1,value=3D0x7} =20 The actual bitmap is conceptually constructed by starting with an array = of zero bytes. Overlapping offsets are allowed. Duplicate offsets are allowed. There is no requirement to list offsets in ascending order. There is no canonical representation. =20 Each map entry is added to the array using a "bit or" operator. After all map entries are processed the full bits value is known. This allows an implementation to encode bits serially (often done this = way with YANG bit names) =20 So the same bitset 0x7 could be sent different ways including: =20 { 0, 1, 0x1 } { 0, 1, 0x2 } { 0, 1, 0x4 } =20 If the position is really bit 4 million (bit 1 in byte 500,000) =20 { 0, 500000, 0x1 } =20 =20 oops: correction: (bit 0 in byte 500000) =20 { 500000, 1, 0x1 } =20 =20 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten =20 =20 Andy =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D62526.2A23E9F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Does yang = consider that there is a difference between a bit being present and zero = and a bit being absent?

 

From: core = <core-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andy = Bierman
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:58 AM
To: = Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
Cc: core@ietf.org; = netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [core] [netmod] CBOR YANG = encoding of union & bits = [draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12]

 

 

 

On = Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> = wrote:

 

 

On = Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:22 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> = wrote:

On 2020-05-08, at 05:27, Andy Bierman = <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:
>
> Why = is the bit position allowed to be a uint32 in YANG? Who knows, but it = has to be supported.

If we think that is the way to go, I like = Kio=E2=80=99s proposal over in the CBOR list:
<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cbor/3sZ4YfWLzmVV= nNnQbttkovgjTP8>

 

 

Yes -- this encoding should work = well

 

We probably should arm that with some = text that says (in nicer words) that this is an emergency representation = and implementations should not invoke it for sane YANG models (with an = operable definition of sane).

 

 

Not sure what this means.

Wouldn't this map approach be used all the time for a = bits type?

The = "normal" case would be a small number of octets representing = all the bits present

 (e..g 0x7 for 3 bits : bit 0 to bit = 2)

This would simply be 1 = map entry with = {offset=3D0,length=3D1,value=3D0x7}

 

The actual bitmap is conceptually constructed by = starting with an array of zero bytes.

Overlapping offsets are allowed. Duplicate offsets are = allowed.

There is no = requirement to list offsets in ascending = order.

There is no = canonical representation.

 

Each map entry is added to the array using a "bit = or" operator.

After = all map entries are processed the full bits value is = known.

This allows an = implementation to encode bits serially (often done this way with YANG = bit names)

 

So the same bitset 0x7 could be sent different ways = including:

 

  { 0, 1, 0x1 }

  { 0, 1, 0x2 }

  { 0, 1, 0x4 }

 

If the position is really bit 4 million (bit 1 in byte = 500,000)

 

  { 0, 500000, 0x1 }

 

 

oops: correction:  (bit 0 in byte = 500000)

 

  { 500000, 1, 0x1 }

 

     

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, = Carsten

 

 

Andy

 

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The value "" is valid for this leaf indicating no bits are set. In order to send this value: { 0, 1, 0x0 } Any YANG bit that is present is represented by a bit with the value 1 in the corresponding position and octet. Andy *From:* core *On Behalf Of *Andy Bierman > *Sent:* Friday, May 8, 2020 8:58 AM > *To:* Carsten Bormann > *Cc:* core@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [core] [netmod] CBOR YANG encoding of union & bits > [draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12] > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:22 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: > > On 2020-05-08, at 05:27, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > Why is the bit position allowed to be a uint32 in YANG? Who knows, but > it has to be supported. > > If we think that is the way to go, I like Kio=E2=80=99s proposal over in = the CBOR > list: > > > > > > > Yes -- this encoding should work well > > > > We probably should arm that with some text that says (in nicer words) tha= t > this is an emergency representation and implementations should not invoke > it for sane YANG models (with an operable definition of sane). > > > > > > Not sure what this means. > > Wouldn't this map approach be used all the time for a bits type? > > The "normal" case would be a small number of octets representing all the > bits present > > (e..g 0x7 for 3 bits : bit 0 to bit 2) > > This would simply be 1 map entry with {offset=3D0,length=3D1,value=3D0x7} > > > > The actual bitmap is conceptually constructed by starting with an array o= f > zero bytes. > > Overlapping offsets are allowed. Duplicate offsets are allowed. > > There is no requirement to list offsets in ascending order. > > There is no canonical representation. > > > > Each map entry is added to the array using a "bit or" operator. > > After all map entries are processed the full bits value is known. > > This allows an implementation to encode bits serially (often done this wa= y > with YANG bit names) > > > > So the same bitset 0x7 could be sent different ways including: > > > > { 0, 1, 0x1 } > > { 0, 1, 0x2 } > > { 0, 1, 0x4 } > > > > If the position is really bit 4 million (bit 1 in byte 500,000) > > > > { 0, 500000, 0x1 } > > > > > > oops: correction: (bit 0 in byte 500000) > > > > { 500000, 1, 0x1 } > > > > > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > > > > > Andy > > > > --000000000000bcb72105a526b733 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 10:48 AM Jim S= chaad <ietf@augustcellars.com<= /a>> wrote:
<= div lang=3D"EN-US">
=

Does yang consider that there is a difference betwee= n a bit being present and zero and a bit being absent?

=C2=A0



=C2=A0 leaf bits-leaf {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 type bits {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bit zero { posi= tion 0; }
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bit one { positi= on 1; }
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bit two { position= 2; }
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bit 4million { position 4= 000000; }
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}
=C2=A0 }

=
I think I see your point.
The value "" is va= lid for this leaf indicating no bits are set.
In order to send th= is value:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0{ 0, 1, 0x0 }

Any= YANG bit that is present is represented by a bit with the value 1 in the c= orresponding position and octet.


An= dy


<= /u>

From: core <core-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andy Bierman=
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:58 AM
To: Carsten Bormann = <cabo@tzi.org><= br>Cc: core@ietf.= org; netmod@ietf.o= rg
Subject: Re: [core] [netmod] CBOR YANG encoding of union &= amp; bits [draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12]

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM Andy Bierman &l= t;andy@yumaworks.co= m> wrote:

=C2=A0

<= u>=C2=A0

On Thu, May 7, 2020= at 11:22 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

On 2020-05-08, a= t 05:27, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:
>
> Why is the bit po= sition allowed to be a uint32 in YANG? Who knows, but it has to be supporte= d.

If we think that is the way to go, I like Kio=E2=80=99s proposal = over in the CBOR list:
<https://mailarchive= .ietf.org/arch/msg/cbor/3sZ4YfWLzmVVnNnQbttkovgjTP8>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Yes -- this encoding should work well

=

=C2=A0

We probably should arm= that with some text that says (in nicer words) that this is an emergency r= epresentation and implementations should not invoke it for sane YANG models= (with an operable definition of sane).

=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Not sure wh= at this means.

Wouldn= 9;t this map approach be used all the time for a bits type?

The "normal" case would be a = small number of octets representing all the bits present

<= /div>

=C2=A0(e..g 0x7 for 3 bits : bit 0 to bit = 2)

This would simply be = 1 map entry with {offset=3D0,length=3D1,value=3D0x7}

=C2=A0

The actual bitmap is conceptually constructed by starting with = an array of zero bytes.

= Overlapping offsets are allowed. Duplicate offsets are allowed.

There is no requirement to=C2=A0lis= t offsets in ascending order.

There is no canonical representation.

=C2=A0

Each map entry is added to the array using a "bit or" operator= .

After all map entries = are processed the full bits value is known.

This allows an implementation to encode bits serially (= often done this way with YANG bit names)

=C2=A0

= So the same bitset 0x7 could be sent different ways including:

=C2=A0

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 { 0, 1, 0x1 }

=C2=A0 { 0, 1, 0x2 }

=C2=A0 { 0, 1, 0x4 }

=C2=A0

If= the position is really bit 4 million (bit 1 in byte 500,000)=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 { 0, 500000, 0x1 }

=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

oops: correction:=C2=A0 (bit 0 in byte 500000)=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 { 500000, 1, 0x1 }

=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

=C2=A0

<= u>=C2=A0

Andy=

=C2=A0

<= /div>
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In YANG every bit in the bit set is either 0 or 1. The xml / json encodings send the position of the 1 bits (actually the names bound to the position). 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X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJqw3xkRjl6iCISlCFl8B+SFQ6i69WDWuRgrEzEKWb6uXh5lbzWlsN3WlMqsY+KEQqWuu+8olTYkAA2iBzeqxY= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:74c:: with SMTP id s12mr9360303ybq.234.1589036624940; Sat, 09 May 2020 08:03:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Andy Bierman Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 08:03:34 -0700 Message-ID: To: tom petch Cc: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" , "netmod@ietf.org" , =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000090aa9e05a5386ba2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Revision label in filename X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 15:03:50 -0000 --00000000000090aa9e05a5386ba2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:07 AM tom petch wrote: > From: netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahman > (rrahman) > Sent: 08 May 2020 15:13 > > Hi, > > We discussed using something along the lines of > module-or-submodule-name['@'date]['#'revision-label].yang. Questions to t= he > WG: > 1) Is there a need for both date and revision-label or is one of them > enough? > > > One of them is quite enough and since the date is embedded in many system= s > it would be wrong to change it. The module name is the primary identifie= r > of this bundle of definitions but it was decided that as and when there w= as > a change therein then the date would provide a unique identifier for a > particular version; nothing more is needed. Arguably the date is more > complex than is warranted but it has worked. Indeed that format is now > used and understood by such as IANA and the RFC Editor. > > +1 This would be a very disruptive change with little to no value. > If you want to record more detailed semantics of the relationships betwee= n > different versions, then put it somewhere else and leave the identifier > alone, let the identifier be an identifier and not be overloaded with > semantics. > > Tom Petch > > Andy > > > > > > > > 2) If we have both, what's the impact of having "#revision-label" on > implementations which search by date? > > Regards, > Reshad. > > =EF=BB=BFOn 2020-03-27, 5:44 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahman (rrah= man)" < > netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org= > > wrote: > > Hi, > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/50 > > o 3.3 > > In the filename of a YANG module, where it takes the > form: module- > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] ( '.yang' / > '.yin' ) > > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? I know that 5.= 2 > just > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implement this SHOULD, > and they > need to be updated to handle this new convention. > > But I wonder if this a good idea. It means that a tool tha= t > looks > for a module with a certain revision date cannot simply > check the > filenames, but need to parse all available modules (wijust > to find the > > We agree that there is an impact on searching by date. We put this in > to have the ability to search by revision-label, otherwise we can search > just by date for a module which uses revision-label. > We had also discussed using different limiter for the label and have > something along the lines of: > module-or-submodule-name['@'date]['#'revision-label].yang > It'd seem that updating 7950 would be a good idea whichever way we go= . > > Regards, > Reshad. > > > On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahman (rrahman)"= < > netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org= > > wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > We've opened issues to track your review comments (see below). > Will kick off separate therads for each issue. > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+= label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handling > > Regards, > Reshad. > > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Martin Bj=C3=B6rklun= d" < > netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mbj+ietf@4668.se> wrote: > > Hi, > > Here are my review comments of > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. > > > > o 3.1.1 > > o In statements that have any data definition statements > as > substatements, those data definition substatements MAY > be > reordered, as long as they do not change the ordering > or any "rpc" > "input" substatements. > > I think this needs to capture that no descendant statements > to > "input" can be reordered. Same for "output" (note, "input" > and > "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). > > > o 3.3 > > All revision labels that match the pattern for the > "version" > typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG module MUST be > interpreted as > YANG semantic version numbers. > > I don't think this is a good idea. Seems like a layer > violation. > What if my project use another dialect of semver, that > wouldn't be > possible with this rule. I think this needs to be removed. > > > o 3.3 > > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label schemes that could > be confused > with the including module's revision label scheme. > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is handled > correctly? What > exactly does "could be confused with" mean? > > > o 3.3 > > In the filename of a YANG module, where it takes the > form: module- > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] ( '.yang' / > '.yin' ) > > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? I know that 5.= 2 > just > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implement this SHOULD, > and they > need to be updated to handle this new convention. > > But I wonder if this a good idea. It means that a tool tha= t > looks > for a module with a certain revision date cannot simply > check the > filenames, but need to parse all available modules (wijust > to find the > > > > o 3.4 > > leaf imperial-temperature { > type int64; > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > status deprecated { > rev:status-description > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in fav= or > of their metric equivalents. Use > metric-temperature > instead."; > } > description > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > } > > I don't think rev:status-description is necessary / worth > it. This > can easily be written with the normal description statement > instead: > > leaf imperial-temperature { > type int64; > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > status deprecated; > description > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in fav= or > of their metric equivalents. Use > metric-temperature > instead. > > Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > } > > > o 3.5 > > The example modules should be legal YANG modules. Use e.g. > "urn:example:module" as namespace. > > Also, the modules are missing the last "}", which confuses > the > "rfcstrip" tool. > > > o 4.1.1 > > Alternatively, the first example could have used the > revision label > "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same set of > revisions/versions. > > import example-module { > rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; > } > > Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > > o 5 > > I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" should be > changed to > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is not a well-known > acronym. > > > o 5.2.2 > > Wouldn't it be better if the leaf > "deprecated-nodes-implemented" and > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boolean" rather than > type > "empty"? > > > o 7.1 > > The text says: > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label > statements for all > newly published YANG modules, and all newly published > revisions of > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST take the > form of a > YANG semantic version number > [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver]. > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF modules use a > linear > history, so there are no reasons to use "modified semver". > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though. > > > o 7.1.1 > > There is a missing " in: > > 4. For status "obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED to keep the > "status- > description" information, from when the node had statu= s > "deprecated, which is still relevant. > HERE -----------^ > > > o 8 > > s/CODE ENDS>// > > > o Both YANG modules > > All extensions should specify the grammar; i.e., in which > statements > they can be present and which substatements they can have. > > > > /martin > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --00000000000090aa9e05a5386ba2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:07 AM tom pe= tch <ietfc@btconnect.com> = wrote:
From: net= mod <netmod= -bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Reshad Rahman (rrahman) <rrahman= =3D40cisco.= com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: 08 May 2020 15:13

Hi,

We discussed using something along the lines of module-or-submodule-name[&#= 39;@'date]['#'revision-label].yang. Questions to the WG:
1) Is there a need for both date and revision-label or is one of them enoug= h?

<tp>
One of them is quite enough and since the date is embedded in many systems = it would be wrong to change it.=C2=A0 The module name is the primary identi= fier of this bundle of definitions but it was decided that as and when ther= e was a change therein then the date would provide a unique identifier for = a particular version; nothing more is needed.=C2=A0 Arguably the date is mo= re complex than is warranted but it has worked.=C2=A0 Indeed that format is= now used and understood by such as IANA and the RFC Editor.



+1

=
This would be a very disruptive change with little to no value.
<= div>=C2=A0
If you want to record more detailed semantics of the relationships between = different versions, then put it somewhere else and leave the identifier alo= ne, let the identifier be an identifier and not be overloaded with semantic= s.

Tom Petch


Andy
=C2=A0







2) If we have both, what's the impact of having "#revision-label&q= uot; on implementations which search by date?

Regards,
Reshad.

=EF=BB=BFOn 2020-03-27, 5:44 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahman (r= rahman)" <netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org&= gt; wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ve= r-dt/issues/50

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 3.3

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 In the filen= ame of a YANG module, where it takes the form: module-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 or-submodule= -name ['@' revision-label] ( '.yang' / '.yin' )

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Should this section update= 5.2 of RFC 7950?=C2=A0 I know that 5.2 just
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 says "SHOULD".= =C2=A0 But existing tools implement this SHOULD, and they
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 need to be updated to hand= le this new convention.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 But I wonder if this a goo= d idea.=C2=A0 It means that a tool that looks
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 for a module with a certai= n revision date cannot simply check the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 filenames, but need to par= se all available modules (wijust to find the

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We agree that there is an impact on searching by date. We put= this in to have the ability to search by revision-label, otherwise we can = search just by date for a module which uses revision-label.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We had also discussed using different limiter for the label a= nd have something along the lines of: module-or-submodule-name['@'d= ate]['#'revision-label].yang
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 It'd seem that updating 7950 would be a good idea whichev= er way we go.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Regards,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reshad.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahm= an (rrahman)" <netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org= > wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi Martin,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 We've opened issues to track your review co= mments (see below). Will kick off separate therads for each issue.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/= issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handling

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Regards,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reshad.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf = of Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund" <netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mbj+ietf@4668.se> wrote:<= br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Here are my review comments of =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-ve= rsioning-01.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 3.1.1

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 In statemen= ts that have any data definition statements as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0substa= tements, those data definition substatements MAY be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0reorde= red, as long as they do not change the ordering or any "rpc"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"= input" substatements.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think this needs to capt= ure that no descendant statements to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "input" can be r= eordered.=C2=A0 Same for "output" (note, "input" and =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "output" in both= "rpc" and "action").


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 3.3

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 All revision labels= that match the pattern for the "version"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 typedef in the ietf= -yang-semver YANG module MUST be interpreted as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 YANG semantic versi= on numbers.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I don't think this is = a good idea.=C2=A0 Seems like a layer violation.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 What if my project use ano= ther dialect of semver, that wouldn't be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 possible with this rule.= =C2=A0 I think this needs to be removed.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 3.3

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Submodules MUST NOT= use revision label schemes that could be confused
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 with the including = module's revision label scheme.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hmm, how do I ensure that = this MUST NOT is handled correctly?=C2=A0 What
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 exactly does "could b= e confused with" mean?


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 3.3

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 In the filen= ame of a YANG module, where it takes the form: module-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 or-submodule= -name ['@' revision-label] ( '.yang' / '.yin' )

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Should this section update= 5.2 of RFC 7950?=C2=A0 I know that 5.2 just
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 says "SHOULD".= =C2=A0 But existing tools implement this SHOULD, and they
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 need to be updated to hand= le this new convention.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 But I wonder if this a goo= d idea.=C2=A0 It means that a tool that looks
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 for a module with a certai= n revision date cannot simply check the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 filenames, but need to par= se all available modules (wijust to find the



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 3.4

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0leaf imperial= -temperature {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type i= nt64;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0units = "degrees Fahrenheit";
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0status= deprecated {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0rev:status-description
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0"Imperial measurements are being phased out in favor
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 of their metric equivalents.=C2=A0 Use metric-temperature
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 instead.";
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0descri= ption
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0"Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit.";
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I don't think rev:stat= us-description is necessary / worth it.=C2=A0 This
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 can easily be written with= the normal description statement instead:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0leaf imperial= -temperature {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type i= nt64;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0units = "degrees Fahrenheit";
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0status= deprecated;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0descri= ption
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0"Imperial measurements are being phased out in favor
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 of their metric equivalents.=C2=A0 Use metric-temperature
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 instead.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit.";
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 3.5

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The example modules should= be legal YANG modules.=C2=A0 Use e.g.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "urn:example:module&q= uot; as namespace.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Also, the modules are miss= ing the last "}", which confuses the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "rfcstrip" tool.=


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o 4.1.1

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Alternatively, the = first example could have used the revision label
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "1.0.0" i= nstead, which selects the same set of revisions/versions.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 import example-modu= le {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 rev:revision= -or-derived 1.0.0;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Shouldn't this be s/1.= 0.0/2.0.0/g ?


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 5

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think the module name &q= uot;ietf-yl-revisions" should be changed to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "ietf-yang-library-re= visions".=C2=A0 =C2=A0"yl" is not a well-known acronym.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 5.2.2

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wouldn't it be better = if the leaf "deprecated-nodes-implemented" and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "obsolete-nodes-absen= t" were of type "boolean" rather than type
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "empty"?


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 7.1

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The text says:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 All IETF YANG modul= es MUST include revision-label statements for all
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 newly published YAN= G modules, and all newly published revisions of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 existing YANG modul= es.=C2=A0 The revision-label MUST take the form of a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 YANG semantic versi= on number [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver].

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I strongly disagree with t= his new rule.=C2=A0 IETF modules use a linear
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 history, so there are no r= easons to use "modified semver".

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 It is ok to use rev:nbc-ch= anges if needed, though.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o 7.1.1

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 There is a missing " = in:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A04.=C2=A0 For status = "obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED to keep the "status-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0descri= ption" information, from when the node had status
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"= deprecated, which is still relevant.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0HERE=C2=A0 -----------^


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 8

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 s/CODE ENDS>/<CODE E= NDS>/


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o Both YANG modules

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 All extensions should spec= ify the grammar; i.e., in which statements
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 they can be present and wh= ich substatements they can have.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /martin

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Yes, Rob, all&nbs= p;comments are addressed in v-15, ready to&nb= sp;go, I believe.
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Rob Wilton (rwilton)<rwilton@cisco.com>
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Qin Wu<bill.wu@huawei.com>
=B3=AD=CB=CD=A3=BA netmod-chairs<netmod-chairs@ietf.org>;Kent Watsen<kent+ietf@watsen.net>;draft-ietf-n= etmod-factory-default<draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org>;netmod<netmod@ietf.org>;The IESG<iesg@ietf.org>
=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA RE: Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-ne= tmod-factory-default-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA 2020-05-11 21:15:16

Qin,

Please can you confirm that -15 addresses all IESG comments and directorate= review comments, and this version is ready to go.

Regards,
Rob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>
> Sent: 09 May 2020 02:19
> To: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>; Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilt= on@cisco.com>
> Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net&g= t;; draft-
> ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org; The IESG
> <iesg@ietf.org>
> Subject: RE: Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-factory-defa= ult-
> 14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
>
> Thanks Roman.
>
> -Qin
> -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE-----
> =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Roman Danyliw [mai= lto:rdd@cert.org]
> =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA5=D4=C29=C8=D5 4:16
> =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; Rob Wilton (rwi= lton)
> <rwilton@cisco.com>
> =B3=AD=CB=CD: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@wa= tsen.net>; draft-
> ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org; The IESG
> <iesg@ietf.org>
> =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-factory= -default-14:
> (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
>
> Hi Qin!
>
> Top posting to say thanks for the updated texted that was added to -15= .
> It addresses my DISCUSS points.
>
> Regards,
> Roman
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:00 PM
> > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com>; Roman Danyliw=
> > <rdd@cert.org>
> > Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.= net>;
> > draft-ietf- netmod-factory-default@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org; The= IESG
> > <iesg@ietf.org>
> > Subject: RE: Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-factory= -
> default-14:
> > (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
> >
> > -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE-----
> > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Rob Wilton (rwilton) [mailto:rwilton@cisco.com]
> > =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA4=D4=C225=C8=D5 0:54
> > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; Roman Dany= liw <rdd@cert.org>
> > =B3=AD=CB=CD: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; Kent Watsen <kent+ie= tf@watsen.net>; draft-
> > ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org; The IESG > > <iesg@ietf.org>
> > =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-fa= ctory-default-
> 14:
> > (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
> >
> > Hi Qin,
> >
> > This document was discussed today.  I think that Roman plans= to follow
> > up regarding the security considerations discuss.
> >
> > From the discussion today, and reading the Discuss, my understand= ing
> > is that Roman has two concerns that are more about the specific t= ext
> > than the use of the template:
> >
> > 1) Concerns read access to the factory-default datastore which co= uld
> > contain sensitive information.  Perhaps read access to that = datastore
> > should default to nacm:default-deny-all?  If so, then this s= hould
> > probably be documented in section 3, with a sentence in section 6= to
> explain that is how it is protected.
> >
> > [Qin]: Please See Jurgen and Andy's comment in this thread, I agr= ee
> > with Jurgen we should treat factory in the same way as running an= d
> > other datastores. If any text is needed, I could add a few text i= n the
> > section 6 based on the discussion in this thread:
> > "
> > Access to the "factory-reset" RPC operation and factory= default values
> > of all configuration data nodes within "factory-default"= ; datastore is
> > considered sensitive and therefore has been restricted using the<= br> > > "default-deny-all" access control defined in [RFC8341].=
> > "
> > 2) The second point is asking to expand this paragraph:
> >
> >    The operational disruption caused by setting th= e config to factory
> >    default contents varies greatly depending on th= e implementation and
> >    current config.
> >
> > Such that the description also covers "Please note that a de= fault
> > configuration could be insecure or not have security controls ena= bled
> > whereby exposing the network to compromise."
> >
> > [Qin]:So we will see exposing factory default configuration to th= e
> > network to compromise also as one kind of operational disruption,= if
> > this is true, here is the proposed change:
> > OLD TEXT:
> > "
> >    The operational disruption caused by setting th= e config to factory
> >    default contents varies greatly depending on th= e implementation and
> >    current config.
> > "
> > NEW TEXT:
> > "
> > The operational disruption caused by setting the config to factor= y
> > default contents or lacking appropriate security control on facto= ry
> > default configuration varies greatly depending on the implementat= ion
> > and current config.
> > "
> > If not, please advise.
> >
> > I see that you are already addressing the other comments that hav= e
> > been raised.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: iesg <iesg-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Qin Wu=
> > > Sent: 21 April 2020 14:20
> > > To: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>; The IESG <iesg@ie= tf.org>
> > > Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@wa= tsen.net>;
> > > draft- ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org=
> > > Subject: RE: Roman Danyliw's Discuss on
> > > draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-
> > > 14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
> > >
> > > Hi, Roman:
> > > A few clarification inline below.
> > > -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE-----
> > > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org]
> > > =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA4=D4=C221=C8=D5 20:52 > > > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
> > > =B3=AD=CB=CD: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org; > > > netmod-chairs@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org; Kent Watsen
> > > <kent+ietf@watsen.net>; kent+ietf@watsen.net > > > =D6=F7=CC=E2: Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-f= actory-default-14:
> > > (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
> > >
> > > Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for<= br> > > > draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14: Discuss
> > >
> > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and rep= ly to
> > > all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel f= ree to
> > > cut this introductory paragraph, however.)
> > >
> > >
> > > Please refer to
> > > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
> > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT position= s.
> > >
> > >
> > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be foun= d here:
> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------= --------
> > > --
> > > DISCUSS:
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------= --------
> > > --
> > >
> > > Please use YANG security considerations template from
> > > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines.
> > > Specifically (as a DISCUSS item):
> > >
> > > ** (Per the template questions =A1=B0for all YANG modules yo= u must
> > > evaluate whether any readable data=A1=B1) Would factory-defa= ult contain
> > > any sensitive information in certain network environments wh= ere the
> > > ACLs should be more restrictive that world readable for ever= yone?
> > > [Qin]: It does follows yang-security-guidelines but there is= no
> > > readable data node defined within rpc, that's why we don't u= se third
> > > paragraph boilerplate and fourth paragraph boilerplate of > > > yang-security-
> > guidelines.
> > > YANG-security-guidelines are more applicable to YANG data mo= del with
> > > more readable/writable data nodes.
> > > In addition, as clarified in the second paragraph, section 6= of this
> > > draft, NACM can be used to restrict access for particular NE= TCONF or
> > > RESTCONF users to a preconfigured subset of all available NE= TCONF or
> > > RESTCONF protocol operations (i.e., factory-reset rpc)
> > >
> > > Per =A1=B0The operational disruption caused by setting the c= onfig to
> > > factory default contents varies greatly depending on the
> > > implementation and current config=A1=B1, it seems like it co= uld be worse
> > > than just an operational disruption.  Please note that = a default
> > > configuration could be insecure or not have security control= s
> > > enabled whereby exposing the network to compromise.
> > >
> > > [Qin]: As described in the second paragraph of section 6 it = by
> > > default restrict access for everyone by using the "defa= ult-deny-all"
> > > access control defined [RFC8341], what else does it need to = address
> > > this security concern?
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------= --------
> > > --
> > > COMMENT:
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------= --------
> > > --
> > >
> > > Please use YANG security considerations template from
> > > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines.
> > > Specifically (as a COMMENT item):
> > >
> > > ** Add =A1=B0The Network Configuration Access Control Model = (NACM)
> > > [RFC8341] provides the means to =A1=AD=A1=B1
> > >
> > > [Qin]: We did follow this template, I am wondering how it is=
> > > different from the second paragraph of section 6? I see they= are
> > > equivalent but with more fine granularity security measures,= if my
> understanding is correct.

 --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAAD6A6892dggeml531mbschi_-- From nobody Mon May 11 09:19:47 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA293A0958; Mon, 11 May 2020 09:17:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.129.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: netmod@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, kent+ietf@watsen.net, Kent Watsen , draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org, The IESG , netmod-chairs@ietf.org, rwilton@cisco.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <158921386716.11915.7810098577998206113@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 09:17:47 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Protocol Action: 'A YANG Data Model for Factory Default Settings' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-15.txt) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:17:49 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'A YANG Data Model for Factory Default Settings' (draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-15.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Network Modeling Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Warren Kumari and Robert Wilton. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/ Technical Summary This document defines a YANG data model to allow clients to reset a server back to its factory default condition. It also defines a "factory-default" datastore to allow clients to read the factory default configuration for the device. The reset operation may be used, e.g., when the existing configuration has major errors so re-starting the configuration process from scratch is the best option. Working Group Summary The work has strong consensus in the WG. The Secdir review highlighed a concern with the general boilerplate security text used for YANG models. This is not specific to this document or the YANG model defined in this document and should not delay its publication. We should discuss with the security ADs whether further updates to the standard YANG model security text is required. Document Quality The document has received some, but not a lot, of WG LC reviews. However, the document is relatively short, simple, and is in good shape. No known implementations or commitments. The document went through a YANG Doctor review as part of the Last Call process. Personnel The document shepherd is Kent Watsen. The responsible Area Director is Robert Wilton. 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List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 19:56:02 -0000 There has been recent discussion about how to handle applying versions to n= ew modules, modules in development, and revisions to modules that previousl= y did not have a revision-label. Below is proposed text to offer both gene= ral and IETF-specific guidelines for this. The intent is to place this tex= t in draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver either as a new section 5 or a sub-secti= on under section 3. Before folding it in to the document, I wanted to get = more WG eyes on this. =3D=3D=3D X. Guidelines for Module Development When developing a brand new module using YANG semver as its revision-label = scheme SHOULD begin using a 0 for the MAJOR version component. This allows= the module to disregard strict semver rules with respect to non-backwards-= compatible changes during its initial development. However, module develop= ers MAY choose to use the semver pre-release syntax instead with a 1 for th= e MAJOR version component. For example, an initial module revision-label m= ight be 1.0.0-dev1. If the authors choose to use the 0 MAJOR version compo= nent scheme, they MAY switch to the pre-release scheme with a MAJOR version= component of 1 when the module is nearing initial release (e.g., a module'= s revision label may transition from 0.3.0 to 1.0.0-beta1 to indicate it is= more mature and ready for testing). When developing a new revision of an existing module using the YANG semver = revision-label scheme, the intended target semver version MUST be used alon= g with pre-release notation. For example, if a released module which has a= current revision-label of 1.0.0 is being modified and the intent is to mak= e non-backwards-compatible changes, the first development MAJOR version com= ponent must be 2 with some pre-release notation such as -dev1, making the v= ersion 2.0.0-dev1. That said, every publicly available release of a module= MUST have a unique YANG semver revision-label. Therefore, it may be prude= nt to include the year or year and month development began (e.g., 2.0.0-201= 907-dev1). As a module undegoes development, it is possible that the origi= nal intent changes. For example, a 1.0.0 version of a module that was dest= ined to become 2.0.0 after a development cycle may have had a scope change = such that the final version has no non-backwards-compatible changes and bec= omes 1.1.0 instead. This change is acceptable to make during the developme= nt phase so long as pre-release notation is present in both versions (e.g.,= 2.0.0-dev3 becomes 1.1.0-alpha1). However, on the next development cycle,= if again the new target release is 2.0.0, new pre-release components must = be used such that every revision-label for a given module MUST be unique th= roughout its entire lifecycle (e.g., the first pre-release version might be= 2.0.0-202005-dev1 if keeping the same year and month notation mentioned ab= ove). When an existing IETF module is being revised, it MUST use the target versi= on for the revision-label with a pre-release string that includes the curre= nt RFC number plus the string "bis". For example, if the module defined in= RFCXXXX at version 1.0.0 is being revised to include non-backwards-compati= ble changes, its development revision-labels MUST include 2.0.0-XXXXbis. S= ince they MUST also be unique, additional alphanumeric identifiers MUST be = used (e.g., 2.0.0-XXXXbis-dev1). Since each new bis will work off a new RF= C number, this nomenclature ensures uniqueness for the module throughout it= s lifecycle. If a module is being revised and the original module never had a revision-l= abel (i.e., you wish to start using YANG semver in future module revisions)= , choose a semver value that makes the most sense based on the module's his= tory. For example, if a module started out in the pre-NMDA world and then = had NMDA support added without removing any legacy "state" branches, and yo= u are looking to add additional new features, a sensible choice for the tar= get YANG semver would be 1.2.0 (since 1.0.0 would have been the initial, pr= e-NMDA release, and 1.1.0 would have been the NMDA revision). =20 =3D=3D=3D Joe= From nobody Wed May 13 07:04:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540423A0A04 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:04:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EEcSV4eESeUj for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C699D3A0918 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.121] (213-67-237-150-no99.tbcn.telia.com [213.67.237.150]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C335C1B039FB; Wed, 13 May 2020 16:04:26 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Jan Lindblad In-Reply-To: <76EECA9D-D0D7-4F7A-A536-97135B76A326@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:04:26 +0200 Cc: NetMod WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <76EECA9D-D0D7-4F7A-A536-97135B76A326@cisco.com> To: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Proposed YANG semver revision-label guidelines (draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:04:32 -0000 Joe, Thanks for sending this out to a wider audience. Sorry I missed the = meeting yesterday. That particular time of week is very popular. I think the text you propose below is good; I have no issues. For the = record, I do have some issue relating to other pieces, especially around = the use of the letter 'm'. /jan > On 12 May 2020, at 21:55, Joe Clarke (jclarke) = wrote: >=20 > There has been recent discussion about how to handle applying versions = to new modules, modules in development, and revisions to modules that = previously did not have a revision-label. Below is proposed text to = offer both general and IETF-specific guidelines for this. The intent is = to place this text in draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver either as a new = section 5 or a sub-section under section 3. Before folding it in to the = document, I wanted to get more WG eyes on this. >=20 > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > X. Guidelines for Module Development >=20 > When developing a brand new module using YANG semver as its = revision-label scheme SHOULD begin using a 0 for the MAJOR version = component. This allows the module to disregard strict semver rules with = respect to non-backwards-compatible changes during its initial = development. However, module developers MAY choose to use the semver = pre-release syntax instead with a 1 for the MAJOR version component. = For example, an initial module revision-label might be 1.0.0-dev1. If = the authors choose to use the 0 MAJOR version component scheme, they MAY = switch to the pre-release scheme with a MAJOR version component of 1 = when the module is nearing initial release (e.g., a module's revision = label may transition from 0.3.0 to 1.0.0-beta1 to indicate it is more = mature and ready for testing). >=20 > When developing a new revision of an existing module using the YANG = semver revision-label scheme, the intended target semver version MUST be = used along with pre-release notation. For example, if a released module = which has a current revision-label of 1.0.0 is being modified and the = intent is to make non-backwards-compatible changes, the first = development MAJOR version component must be 2 with some pre-release = notation such as -dev1, making the version 2.0.0-dev1. That said, every = publicly available release of a module MUST have a unique YANG semver = revision-label. Therefore, it may be prudent to include the year or = year and month development began (e.g., 2.0.0-201907-dev1). As a module = undegoes development, it is possible that the original intent changes. = For example, a 1.0.0 version of a module that was destined to become = 2.0.0 after a development cycle may have had a scope change such that = the final version has no non-backwards-compatible changes and becomes = 1.1.0 instead. Th > is change is acceptable to make during the development phase so long = as pre-release notation is present in both versions (e.g., 2.0.0-dev3 = becomes 1.1.0-alpha1). However, on the next development cycle, if again = the new target release is 2.0.0, new pre-release components must be used = such that every revision-label for a given module MUST be unique = throughout its entire lifecycle (e.g., the first pre-release version = might be 2.0.0-202005-dev1 if keeping the same year and month notation = mentioned above). >=20 > When an existing IETF module is being revised, it MUST use the target = version for the revision-label with a pre-release string that includes = the current RFC number plus the string "bis". For example, if the = module defined in RFCXXXX at version 1.0.0 is being revised to include = non-backwards-compatible changes, its development revision-labels MUST = include 2.0.0-XXXXbis. Since they MUST also be unique, additional = alphanumeric identifiers MUST be used (e.g., 2.0.0-XXXXbis-dev1). Since = each new bis will work off a new RFC number, this nomenclature ensures = uniqueness for the module throughout its lifecycle. >=20 > If a module is being revised and the original module never had a = revision-label (i.e., you wish to start using YANG semver in future = module revisions), choose a semver value that makes the most sense based = on the module's history. For example, if a module started out in the = pre-NMDA world and then had NMDA support added without removing any = legacy "state" branches, and you are looking to add additional new = features, a sensible choice for the target YANG semver would be 1.2.0 = (since 1.0.0 would have been the initial, pre-NMDA release, and 1.1.0 = would have been the NMDA revision). =20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > Joe > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 From nobody Wed May 13 07:45:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD4B3A0CA2 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:45:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, 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-0700 Message-ID: To: "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" Cc: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" , =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000055383c05a589f9a4" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Revision labels for submodules X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:21:40 -0000 --00000000000055383c05a589f9a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 8:50 AM Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) < jason.sterne@nokia.com> wrote: > Hi guys, > > As someone who is heavily involved in the development of an extensive YAN= G > model comprised of submodules, I'm not a fan of mandating that include by > revision is mandatory for submodules. It may indeed be a good idea (so > perhaps SHOULD is fine) but I can see it causing problems on the > implementation side. > > The primary development of a data model may be distributed out to > submodules and the main module may only be a top level container for the > submodules (and rarely touched). This would suddenly create an ordering > dependency in the release process that requires the main module file to > systematically be updated after all development of the submodules is > halted. Then the results of the submodules has to be used to then go upda= te > the module. Solvable - yes, but folks who work on large scale projects wi= ll > know that suddenly requiring that type of development process change isn'= t > as easy as it may sound on paper. > > It is possible to manage the "packaging" of submodules and modules out of > band or other mechanisms. > > I agree with you about SHOULD instead of MUST. The client should rely on the YANG library data for submodule revisions, since the include-by-revision is usually not used. It does seem like a good idea for main module conformance to lock down the submodule revisions expected for a specific main module revision. OpenConfig, for example, uses submodules but does not currently include by > version. I'm not proposing this is ideal. But I think we should leave it = as > acceptable. > > Rgds, > Jason > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:46 AM > > To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; Martin > > Bj=C3=B6rklund > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Revision labels for submodules > > > > Hi Jason, > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 2020-05-09, 12:52 PM, "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" > > wrote: > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > Your approach sounds good to me. I was forgetting about the > "editorial" > > level of change (e.g. the 3rd part of SemVer). So I agree that moving = a > leaf > > would be an editorial change in both submodules. > > > > But what if a module is not doing include by revision? It may indee= d > make > > sense to include by revision but it isn't mandated. For sake of argumen= t > here > > what if the module itself didn't change at all in this case? > > It is now mandated in section 3 of draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module- > > versioning-00. > > > > > > It *feels* like the right thing to do here is to consider the modul= e > overall > > to have an editorial change. > > > > The revision statement of sub-modules has a scope of the file (the > sub- > > module). It isn't clear to me whether the revision of a *module* has a > scope > > that includes all sub-modules or if it is just a scope of the module > file. But we > > could clarify that as part of this work. > > Because of include by revision, the module would have to change to > include > > a different revision of a sub-module. > > > > Regards, > > Reshad. > > > > Jason > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund > > > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:54 AM > > > To: rrahman@cisco.com > > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org; Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Revision labels for submodules > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On 2020-05-08, 5:12 PM, "Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > This came up during this week's meeting. We briefly > discussed > > whether > > > > > there's a need to version sub-modules or can we restrict > versioning > > to > > > > > modules only. We would like to hear from the WG on this, > > especially > > > > > those with experience managing sub-modules. > > > > > > > > Yes I think this is needed. At tail-f, there are several > modules with > > > > many submodules. These modules always use include by > revision, > > and > > > > always the main module is always uddated when any submodule > is > > > > updated. It doens't make much sense IMO to not use include > by > > > > revision. > > > > > > > > > For completeness, below is an update from Jason in github= : > > > > > My initial reaction is that we should not preclude the us= e > of > > revision > > > > > label with a submodule. Submodules have their own version > > today. The > > > > > trick is to define (or explicitly say it is out of scope) > whether a > > > > > module version must change if any underlying submodule > versions > > > > > change. That gets difficult if you consider simply moving > a leaf > > from > > > > > one sub-module to another (without changing anything else > about > > it - > > > > > its context, etc). > > > > > > > > Why would this be difficult? The revision date is updated > on any > > > > editorial change (see 7.1.9 of RFC 7950). So if a leaf get= s > moved > > > > from submodule A to submodule B, then their revisions are > udpated, > > and > > > > hence the module's include-by revision is udpated, and henc= e > the > > > > module's revision ois updated. > > > > > > > > I think what Jason meant is that by moving a leaf between > > submodules, > > > > it's possible the module's schema didn't change. > > > > So yes revision date is updated, but you can't blindly update t= he > > > > revision-label. > > > > > > Why not? > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-27, 5:44 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahma= n > > > (rrahman)" > > > > > > > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/49 > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label > schemes that > > could > > > > > be > > > > > confused > > > > > with the including module's revision labe= l > scheme. > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is > handled > > > > > correctly? > > > > > What > > > > > exactly does "could be confused with" mean? > > > > > > > > > > Good point. What was meant by that the label space fo= r > > modules and > > > > > sub-modules are orthogonal. e.g. the sub-module and > module > > both > > > have > > > > > the same label, it shouldn't be inferred that the 2 > are related. > > > > > We'll change/clarify the text. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad > Rahman > > > (rrahman)" > > > > > > > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > > > We've opened issues to track your review comments > (see > > > > > below). Will > > > > > kick off separate therads for each issue. > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver- > > > dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev- > > handling > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Mart= in > > Bj=C3=B6rklund" > > > > > mbj+ietf@4668.se> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Here are my review comments of > > > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > o In statements that have any data > definition statements > > > > > as > > > > > substatements, those data definition > substatements > > MAY > > > > > be > > > > > reordered, as long as they do not > change the ordering > > > > > or > > > > > any "rpc" > > > > > "input" substatements. > > > > > > > > > > I think this needs to capture that no > descendant > > statements > > > > > to > > > > > "input" can be reordered. Same for "output= " > (note, > > "input" > > > > > and > > > > > "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > All revision labels that match the patter= n > for the > > > > > "version" > > > > > typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG > module MUST be > > > > > interpreted as > > > > > YANG semantic version numbers. > > > > > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea. Seems > like a layer > > > > > violation. > > > > > What if my project use another dialect of > semver, that > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > be > > > > > possible with this rule. I think this need= s > to be removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label > schemes that > > could > > > > > be > > > > > confused > > > > > with the including module's revision labe= l > scheme. > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is > handled > > > > > correctly? > > > > > What > > > > > exactly does "could be confused with" mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > In the filename of a YANG module, where > it takes the > > > > > form: > > > > > module- > > > > > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] = ( > '.yang' / > > > > > '.yin' ) > > > > > > > > > > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? > I know that > > > > > 5.2 > > > > > just > > > > > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implemen= t > this SHOULD, > > > > > and > > > > > they > > > > > need to be updated to handle this new > convention. > > > > > > > > > > But I wonder if this a good idea. It means > that a tool > > > > > that > > > > > looks > > > > > for a module with a certain revision date > cannot simply > > > > > check > > > > > the > > > > > filenames, but need to parse all available > modules (wijust > > > > > to > > > > > find the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.4 > > > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > > type int64; > > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > > > status deprecated { > > > > > rev:status-description > > > > > "Imperial measurements are being > phased out in > > > > > favor > > > > > of their metric equivalents. Use > > > > > metric-temperature > > > > > instead."; > > > > > } > > > > > description > > > > > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."= ; > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > I don't think rev:status-description is > necessary / worth > > > > > it. > > > > > This > > > > > can easily be written with the normal > description > > statement > > > > > instead: > > > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > > type int64; > > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > > > status deprecated; > > > > > description > > > > > "Imperial measurements are being > phased out in > > > > > favor > > > > > of their metric equivalents. Use > > > > > metric-temperature > > > > > instead. > > > > > > > > > > Temperature in degrees > Fahrenheit."; > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.5 > > > > > > > > > > The example modules should be legal YANG > modules. Use > > e.g. > > > > > "urn:example:module" as namespace. > > > > > > > > > > Also, the modules are missing the last "}", > which confuses > > > > > the > > > > > "rfcstrip" tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 4.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > Alternatively, the first example could > have used the > > > > > revision > > > > > label > > > > > "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same > set of > > > > > revisions/versions. > > > > > > > > > > import example-module { > > > > > rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5 > > > > > > > > > > I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" > should be > > > > > changed to > > > > > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is not > a well-known > > > > > acronym. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5.2.2 > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be better if the leaf > > > > > "deprecated-nodes-implemented" > > > > > and > > > > > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type > "boolean" rather > > than > > > > > type > > > > > "empty"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include > revision-label > > > > > statements > > > > > for all > > > > > newly published YANG modules, and all > newly published > > > > > revisions of > > > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-labe= l > MUST take the > > > > > form > > > > > of a > > > > > YANG semantic version number > > > > > [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver]. > > > > > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. > IETF modules use a > > > > > linear > > > > > history, so there are no reasons to use > "modified semver". > > > > > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > There is a missing " in: > > > > > > > > > > 4. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <193E8077-5D5D-47B2-B209-8FB86F5B2E90@tail-f.com> References: <8D4A99E4-93D3-495C-9B46-26C61BBABAA7@cisco.com> <20200508.231215.893859438588129498.id@4668.se> <20200509.175337.1668899395924812873.id@4668.se> <75D482FE-2F79-4B39-A7B7-B131510BF039@cisco.com> To: "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Revision labels for submodules X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 19:57:53 -0000 Jason, The versions may be logically the same, but they are not the same IMO. A client doing config work may not care about this difference, but tools = doing other things might. /jan > So that's the part I'm not sure of. >=20 > If a leaf moves between submodules, and the module file doesn't change = in any way (as we've said is possible and should be allowed), do we = mandate that the module version changes? This is up to us to define IMO >=20 > (A) the module version has a scope that includes the module and all = submodules > (B) the module version has a scope that is just the module file = contents >=20 > I'm on the fence between those two. (A) could make sense but it does = mean that someone comparing two versions of the just the module file = itself may see no difference whatsoever between them except the addition = of a new version statement. >=20 > Jason >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:46 PM >> To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; = Martin >> Bj=C3=B6rklund >> Cc: netmod@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [netmod] Revision labels for submodules >>=20 >> Hi Jason, >>=20 >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFOn 2020-05-13, 11:50 AM, "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" >> wrote: >>=20 >> Hi guys, >>=20 >> As someone who is heavily involved in the development of an = extensive >> YANG model comprised of submodules, I'm not a fan of mandating that >> include by revision is mandatory for submodules. It may indeed be a = good >> idea (so perhaps SHOULD is fine) but I can see it causing problems on = the >> implementation side. >>=20 >> The primary development of a data model may be distributed out to >> submodules and the main module may only be a top level container for = the >> submodules (and rarely touched). This would suddenly create an = ordering >> dependency in the release process that requires the main module file = to >> systematically be updated after all development of the submodules is = halted. >> Then the results of the submodules has to be used to then go update = the >> module. Solvable - yes, but folks who work on large scale projects = will know >> that suddenly requiring that type of development process change isn't = as >> easy as it may sound on paper. >> I can see why you wouldn't want to modify all your include = by-revision >> statements. But you would still need to update the module = revision-label >> based on changes done in the included submodules. >>=20 >> Regards, >> Reshad. >>=20 >> It is possible to manage the "packaging" of submodules and modules = out >> of band or other mechanisms. >>=20 >> OpenConfig, for example, uses submodules but does not currently = include >> by version. I'm not proposing this is ideal. But I think we should = leave it as >> acceptable. >>=20 >> Rgds, >> Jason >>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:46 AM >>> To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; >> Martin >>> Bj=C3=B6rklund >>> Cc: netmod@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [netmod] Revision labels for submodules >>>=20 >>> Hi Jason, >>>=20 >>> On 2020-05-09, 12:52 PM, "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Martin, >>>=20 >>> Your approach sounds good to me. I was forgetting about the >> "editorial" >>> level of change (e.g. the 3rd part of SemVer). So I agree that = moving a >> leaf >>> would be an editorial change in both submodules. >>>=20 >>> But what if a module is not doing include by revision? It may = indeed >> make >>> sense to include by revision but it isn't mandated. For sake of = argument >> here >>> what if the module itself didn't change at all in this case? >>> It is now mandated in section 3 of draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module- >>> versioning-00. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> It *feels* like the right thing to do here is to consider the = module >> overall >>> to have an editorial change. >>>=20 >>> The revision statement of sub-modules has a scope of the file = (the >> sub- >>> module). It isn't clear to me whether the revision of a *module* has = a >> scope >>> that includes all sub-modules or if it is just a scope of the module = file. >> But we >>> could clarify that as part of this work. >>> Because of include by revision, the module would have to change to >> include >>> a different revision of a sub-module. >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>> Reshad. >>>=20 >>> Jason >>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:54 AM >>>> To: rrahman@cisco.com >>>> Cc: netmod@ietf.org; Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [netmod] Revision labels for submodules >>>>=20 >>>> "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 2020-05-08, 5:12 PM, "Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund" >>> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hi, >>>>>=20 >>>>> "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> This came up during this week's meeting. We briefly discussed >>> whether >>>>>> there's a need to version sub-modules or can we restrict >> versioning >>> to >>>>>> modules only. We would like to hear from the WG on this, >>> especially >>>>>> those with experience managing sub-modules. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Yes I think this is needed. At tail-f, there are several = modules >> with >>>>> many submodules. These modules always use include by >> revision, >>> and >>>>> always the main module is always uddated when any submodule >> is >>>>> updated. It doens't make much sense IMO to not use include by >>>>> revision. >>>>>=20 >>>>>> For completeness, below is an update from Jason in github: >>>>>> My initial reaction is that we should not preclude the use of >>> revision >>>>>> label with a submodule. Submodules have their own version >>> today. The >>>>>> trick is to define (or explicitly say it is out of scope) whether = a >>>>>> module version must change if any underlying submodule >> versions >>>>>> change. That gets difficult if you consider simply moving a leaf >>> from >>>>>> one sub-module to another (without changing anything else >> about >>> it - >>>>>> its context, etc). >>>>>=20 >>>>> Why would this be difficult? The revision date is updated on = any >>>>> editorial change (see 7.1.9 of RFC 7950). So if a leaf gets = moved >>>>> from submodule A to submodule B, then their revisions are >> udpated, >>> and >>>>> hence the module's include-by revision is udpated, and hence >> the >>>>> module's revision ois updated. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I think what Jason meant is that by moving a leaf between >>> submodules, >>>>> it's possible the module's schema didn't change. >>>>> So yes revision date is updated, but you can't blindly update the >>>>> revision-label. >>>>=20 >>>> Why not? >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> /martin >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Reshad. >>>>>=20 >>>>> /martin >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Reshad. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 2020-03-27, 5:44 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad >> Rahman >>>> (rrahman)" >>>>>> >>>>> rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/49 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o 3.3 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Submodules MUST NOT use revision label schemes >> that >>> could >>>>>> be >>>>>> confused >>>>>> with the including module's revision label scheme. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is handled >>>>>> correctly? >>>>>> What >>>>>> exactly does "could be confused with" mean? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Good point. What was meant by that the label space for >>> modules and >>>>>> sub-modules are orthogonal. e.g. the sub-module and >> module >>> both >>>> have >>>>>> the same label, it shouldn't be inferred that the 2 are >> related. >>>>>> We'll change/clarify the text. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Reshad. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad >> Rahman >>>> (rrahman)" >>>>>> >>>>> rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi Martin, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> We've opened issues to track your review comments (see >>>>>> below). Will >>>>>> kick off separate therads for each issue. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver- >>>> dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev- >>> handling >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Reshad. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Martin >>> Bj=C3=B6rklund" >>>>>> > mbj+ietf@4668.se> >>> wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Here are my review comments of >>>>>> draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o 3.1.1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o In statements that have any data definition >> statements >>>>>> as >>>>>> substatements, those data definition = substatements >>> MAY >>>>>> be >>>>>> reordered, as long as they do not change the >> ordering >>>>>> or >>>>>> any "rpc" >>>>>> "input" substatements. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I think this needs to capture that no descendant >>> statements >>>>>> to >>>>>> "input" can be reordered. Same for "output" (note, >>> "input" >>>>>> and >>>>>> "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o 3.3 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> All revision labels that match the pattern for the >>>>>> "version" >>>>>> typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG module MUST >> be >>>>>> interpreted as >>>>>> YANG semantic version numbers. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I don't think this is a good idea. Seems like a = layer >>>>>> violation. >>>>>> What if my project use another dialect of semver, = that >>>>>> wouldn't >>>>>> be >>>>>> possible with this rule. I think this needs to be >> removed. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o 3.3 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Submodules MUST NOT use revision label schemes >> that >>> could >>>>>> be >>>>>> confused >>>>>> with the including module's revision label scheme. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is handled >>>>>> correctly? >>>>>> What >>>>>> exactly does "could be confused with" mean? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o 3.3 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> In the filename of a YANG module, where it takes >> the >>>>>> form: >>>>>> module- >>>>>> or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] ( '.yang' = / >>>>>> '.yin' ) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? I know >> that >>>>>> 5.2 >>>>>> just >>>>>> says "SHOULD". But existing tools implement this >> SHOULD, >>>>>> and >>>>>> they >>>>>> need to be updated to handle this new convention. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> But I wonder if this a good idea. It means that a = tool >>>>>> that >>>>>> looks >>>>>> for a module with a certain revision date cannot = simply >>>>>> check >>>>>> the >>>>>> filenames, but need to parse all available modules >> (wijust >>>>>> to >>>>>> find the >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o 3.4 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> leaf imperial-temperature { >>>>>> type int64; >>>>>> units "degrees Fahrenheit"; >>>>>> status deprecated { >>>>>> rev:status-description >>>>>> "Imperial measurements are being phased out = in >>>>>> favor >>>>>> of their metric equivalents. Use >>>>>> metric-temperature >>>>>> instead."; >>>>>> } >>>>>> description >>>>>> "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; >>>>>> } >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I don't think rev:status-description is necessary / = worth >>>>>> it. >>>>>> This >>>>>> can easily be written with the normal description >>> statement >>>>>> instead: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> leaf imperial-temperature { >>>>>> type int64; >>>>>> units "degrees Fahrenheit"; >>>>>> status deprecated; >>>>>> description >>>>>> "Imperial measurements are being phased out = in >>>>>> favor >>>>>> of their metric equivalents. Use >>>>>> metric-temperature >>>>>> instead. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; >>>>>> } >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o 3.5 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> The example modules should be legal YANG modules. >> Use >>> e.g. >>>>>> "urn:example:module" as namespace. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Also, the modules are missing the last "}", which >> confuses >>>>>> the >>>>>> "rfcstrip" tool. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o 4.1.1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Alternatively, the first example could have used = the >>>>>> revision >>>>>> label >>>>>> "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same set of >>>>>> revisions/versions. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> import example-module { >>>>>> rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; >>>>>> } >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o 5 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" should = be >>>>>> changed to >>>>>> "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is not a = well-known >>>>>> acronym. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o 5.2.2 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if the leaf >>>>>> "deprecated-nodes-implemented" >>>>>> and >>>>>> "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boolean" >> rather >>> than >>>>>> type >>>>>> "empty"? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o 7.1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> The text says: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label >>>>>> statements >>>>>> for all >>>>>> newly published YANG modules, and all newly >> published >>>>>> revisions of >>>>>> existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST = take >> the >>>>>> form >>>>>> of a >>>>>> YANG semantic version number >>>>>> [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver]. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF = modules >> use a >>>>>> linear >>>>>> history, so there are no reasons to use "modified >> semver". >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o 7.1.1 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> There is a missing " in: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 4. For status "obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED to = keep >> the >>>>>> "status- >>>>>> description" information, from when the node = had >>>>>> status >>>>>> "deprecated, which is still relevant. >>>>>> HERE -----------^ >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o 8 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> s/CODE ENDS>// >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> o Both YANG modules >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> All extensions should specify the grammar; i.e., in >> which >>>>>> statements >>>>>> they can be present and which substatements they can >>> have. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> /martin >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> netmod mailing list >>>>>> netmod@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> netmod mailing list >>>>>> netmod@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> netmod mailing list >>>>>> 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"Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" Cc: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" , =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000009d33305a58e97e7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Revision labels for submodules X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 21:52:08 -0000 --00000000000009d33305a58e97e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 2:25 PM Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) < jason.sterne@nokia.com> wrote: > The example we've been using to discuss this is an editorial type change > in 2 submodules (moving a leaf between them with no changes to their > definition or the schema). > > But if we consider an example where schema actually changes (in a part > that is defined in a submodule), then it does seem reasonable that the > module version should also change. > > So (A) is probably the right answer here. But it does have a potentially > confusing consequence: two YANG files could be identical except for an > extra revision statement. It may appear that someone incorrectly bumped a > version when there was no change, until you notice that "oh, this module > includes submodules - one of those must have changed". > > Some tools might be sensitive to changes that could be considered editorial= . The YANG to SID mapping algorithm comes to mind as a tool sensitive to moving data definitions between submodules. IMO any change at all (except maybe change in insignificant whitespace) should cause 2 revisions to be different (and require different revision dates and revision labels). Jason > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 4:52 PM > > To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; Martin > > Bj=C3=B6rklund > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Revision labels for submodules > > > > Hi Jason, > > > > Is your question of option A v/s B just for the case where the schema > > represented by the module does not change? > > > > If the schema changes, even if the module didn't change, the > revision-label > > has to be updated to indicate the change. > > If the schema didn't change, I'd go with editorial revision-label updat= e > as (I > > think) Martin suggested. > > > > Regards, > > Reshad. > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 2020-05-13, 1:30 PM, "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" > > wrote: > > > > So that's the part I'm not sure of. > > > > If a leaf moves between submodules, and the module file doesn't > change > > in any way (as we've said is possible and should be allowed), do we > mandate > > that the module version changes? This is up to us to define IMO > > > > (A) the module version has a scope that includes the module and all > > submodules > > (B) the module version has a scope that is just the module file > contents > > > > I'm on the fence between those two. (A) could make sense but it doe= s > > mean that someone comparing two versions of the just the module file > itself > > may see no difference whatsoever between them except the addition of a > > new version statement. > > > > Jason > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:46 PM > > > To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; > > Martin > > > Bj=C3=B6rklund > > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Revision labels for submodules > > > > > > Hi Jason, > > > > > > > > > On 2020-05-13, 11:50 AM, "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > As someone who is heavily involved in the development of an > > extensive > > > YANG model comprised of submodules, I'm not a fan of mandating th= at > > > include by revision is mandatory for submodules. It may indeed be= a > > good > > > idea (so perhaps SHOULD is fine) but I can see it causing problem= s > on the > > > implementation side. > > > > > > The primary development of a data model may be distributed ou= t > to > > > submodules and the main module may only be a top level container > for > > the > > > submodules (and rarely touched). This would suddenly create an > > ordering > > > dependency in the release process that requires the main module > file to > > > systematically be updated after all development of the submodules > is > > halted. > > > Then the results of the submodules has to be used to then go upda= te > > the > > > module. Solvable - yes, but folks who work on large scale project= s > will > > know > > > that suddenly requiring that type of development process change > isn't as > > > easy as it may sound on paper. > > > I can see why you wouldn't want to modify all your include b= y- > > revision > > > statements. But you would still need to update the module revisio= n- > > label > > > based on changes done in the included submodules. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Reshad. > > > > > > It is possible to manage the "packaging" of submodules and > modules > > out > > > of band or other mechanisms. > > > > > > OpenConfig, for example, uses submodules but does not current= ly > > include > > > by version. I'm not proposing this is ideal. But I think we shoul= d > leave it > > as > > > acceptable. > > > > > > Rgds, > > > Jason > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:46 AM > > > > To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) < > jason.sterne@nokia.com>; > > > Martin > > > > Bj=C3=B6rklund > > > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Revision labels for submodules > > > > > > > > Hi Jason, > > > > > > > > On 2020-05-09, 12:52 PM, "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)= " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > Your approach sounds good to me. I was forgetting about > the > > > "editorial" > > > > level of change (e.g. the 3rd part of SemVer). So I agree > that moving > > a > > > leaf > > > > would be an editorial change in both submodules. > > > > > > > > But what if a module is not doing include by revision? > It may > > indeed > > > make > > > > sense to include by revision but it isn't mandated. For sak= e > of > > argument > > > here > > > > what if the module itself didn't change at all in this case= ? > > > > It is now mandated in section 3 of > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module- > > > > versioning-00. > > > > > > > > > > > > It *feels* like the right thing to do here is to > consider the module > > > overall > > > > to have an editorial change. > > > > > > > > The revision statement of sub-modules has a scope of th= e > file (the > > > sub- > > > > module). It isn't clear to me whether the revision of a > *module* has > > a > > > scope > > > > that includes all sub-modules or if it is just a scope of > the module > > file. > > > But we > > > > could clarify that as part of this work. > > > > Because of include by revision, the module would have to > change to > > > include > > > > a different revision of a sub-module. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:54 AM > > > > > To: rrahman@cisco.com > > > > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org; Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa= ) > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Revision labels for submodules > > > > > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-05-08, 5:12 PM, "Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This came up during this week's meeting. We > briefly > > discussed > > > > whether > > > > > > > there's a need to version sub-modules or can > we restrict > > > versioning > > > > to > > > > > > > modules only. We would like to hear from the > WG on this, > > > > especially > > > > > > > those with experience managing sub-modules. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I think this is needed. At tail-f, there > are several > > modules > > > with > > > > > > many submodules. These modules always use > include by > > > revision, > > > > and > > > > > > always the main module is always uddated when a= ny > > submodule > > > is > > > > > > updated. It doens't make much sense IMO to not > use > > include by > > > > > > revision. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For completeness, below is an update from > Jason in > > github: > > > > > > > My initial reaction is that we should not > preclude the use > > of > > > > revision > > > > > > > label with a submodule. Submodules have their > own > > version > > > > today. The > > > > > > > trick is to define (or explicitly say it is > out of scope) > > whether a > > > > > > > module version must change if any underlying > submodule > > > versions > > > > > > > change. That gets difficult if you consider > simply moving a > > leaf > > > > from > > > > > > > one sub-module to another (without changing > anything > > else > > > about > > > > it - > > > > > > > its context, etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would this be difficult? The revision date > is updated on > > any > > > > > > editorial change (see 7.1.9 of RFC 7950). So i= f > a leaf gets > > moved > > > > > > from submodule A to submodule B, then their > revisions are > > > udpated, > > > > and > > > > > > hence the module's include-by revision is > udpated, and > > hence > > > the > > > > > > module's revision ois updated. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what Jason meant is that by moving a leaf > between > > > > submodules, > > > > > > it's possible the module's schema didn't change. > > > > > > So yes revision date is updated, but you can't > blindly update > > the > > > > > > revision-label. > > > > > > > > > > Why not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-27, 5:44 PM, "netmod on behalf of > Reshad > > > Rahman > > > > > (rrahman)" > > > > > > > > > > > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/49 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Submodules MUST NOT use > revision label > > schemes > > > that > > > > could > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > confused > > > > > > > with the including module's > revision label > > scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this > MUST NOT is > > handled > > > > > > > correctly? > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > exactly does "could be confused > with" mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good point. What was meant by that the > label space for > > > > modules and > > > > > > > sub-modules are orthogonal. e.g. the > sub-module and > > > module > > > > both > > > > > have > > > > > > > the same label, it shouldn't be inferred > that the 2 are > > > related. > > > > > > > We'll change/clarify the text. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf > of Reshad > > > Rahman > > > > > (rrahman)" > > > > > > > > > > > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wro= te: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've opened issues to track your > review comments > > (see > > > > > > > below). Will > > > > > > > kick off separate therads for each > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver= - > > > > > > dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev- > > > > handling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on > behalf of Martin > > > > Bj=C3=B6rklund" > > > > > > > > > mbj+ietf@4668.se> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are my review comments of > > > > > > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o In statements that have any > data definition > > > statements > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > substatements, those data > definition > > substatements > > > > MAY > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > reordered, as long as they > do not change the > > > ordering > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > any "rpc" > > > > > > > "input" substatements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this needs to capture > that no descendant > > > > statements > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > "input" can be reordered. Same > for "output" > > (note, > > > > "input" > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > "output" in both "rpc" and > "action"). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All revision labels that matc= h > the pattern for the > > > > > > > "version" > > > > > > > typedef in the > ietf-yang-semver YANG module > > MUST > > > be > > > > > > > interpreted as > > > > > > > YANG semantic version numbers= . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think this is a good > idea. Seems like a layer > > > > > > > violation. > > > > > > > What if my project use another > dialect of semver, > > that > > > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > possible with this rule. I > think this needs to be > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Submodules MUST NOT use > revision label > > schemes > > > that > > > > could > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > confused > > > > > > > with the including module's > revision label > > scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this > MUST NOT is > > handled > > > > > > > correctly? > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > exactly does "could be confused > with" mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the filename of a YANG > module, where it > > takes > > > the > > > > > > > form: > > > > > > > module- > > > > > > > or-submodule-name ['@' > revision-label] ( '.yang' > > / > > > > > > > '.yin' ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should this section update 5.2 > of RFC 7950? I > > know > > > that > > > > > > > 5.2 > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > says "SHOULD". But existing > tools implement this > > > SHOULD, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > need to be updated to handle > this new > > convention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I wonder if this a good > idea. It means that a > > tool > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > for a module with a certain > revision date cannot > > simply > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > filenames, but need to parse al= l > available modules > > > (wijust > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > find the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > > > > type int64; > > > > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"= ; > > > > > > > status deprecated { > > > > > > > rev:status-description > > > > > > > "Imperial measurements > are being phased out > > in > > > > > > > favor > > > > > > > of their metric > equivalents. Use > > > > > > > metric-temperature > > > > > > > instead."; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > description > > > > > > > "Temperature in degrees > Fahrenheit."; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think > rev:status-description is necessary / > > worth > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > can easily be written with the > normal description > > > > statement > > > > > > > instead: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > > > > type int64; > > > > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"= ; > > > > > > > status deprecated; > > > > > > > description > > > > > > > "Imperial measurements > are being phased out > > in > > > > > > > favor > > > > > > > of their metric > equivalents. Use > > > > > > > metric-temperature > > > > > > > instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Temperature in degree= s > Fahrenheit."; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The example modules should be > legal YANG > > modules. > > > Use > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > "urn:example:module" as > namespace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, the modules are missing > the last "}", which > > > confuses > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > "rfcstrip" tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 4.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alternatively, the first > example could have used > > the > > > > > > > revision > > > > > > > label > > > > > > > "1.0.0" instead, which select= s > the same set of > > > > > > > revisions/versions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > import example-module { > > > > > > > rev:revision-or-derived > 1.0.0; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't this be > s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the module name > "ietf-yl-revisions" should > > be > > > > > > > changed to > > > > > > > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". > "yl" is not a well- > > known > > > > > > > acronym. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5.2.2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be better if the le= af > > > > > > > "deprecated-nodes-implemented" > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of > type "boolean" > > > rather > > > > than > > > > > > > type > > > > > > > "empty"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST > include revision- > > label > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > for all > > > > > > > newly published YANG modules, > and all newly > > > published > > > > > > > revisions of > > > > > > > existing YANG modules. The > revision-label MUST > > take > > > the > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > YANG semantic version number > > > > > > > [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver= ]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this > new rule. IETF > > modules > > > use a > > > > > > > linear > > > > > > > history, so there are no reason= s > to use "modified > > > semver". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes > if needed, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a missing " in: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. For status "obsolete", it > is RECOMMENDED to > > keep > > > the > > > > > > > "status- > > > > > > > description" information, > from when the node > > had > > > > > > > status > > > > > > > "deprecated, which is stil= l > relevant. > > > > > > > HERE -----------^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s/CODE ENDS>// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Both YANG modules > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All extensions should specify > the grammar; i.e., in > > > which > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > they can be present and which > substatements they > > can > > > > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > 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boundary="----=_Part_846060_1796732765.1589814822903" Importance: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail X-ZohoMailClient: External Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] error: "Data model 'XXX' not found" during yang validation. X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 15:13:51 -0000 ------=_Part_846060_1796732765.1589814822903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello netmod participants! How we should address an import of modules produced by non IETF community? = Was it already discussed? (If yes, I'm sorry to dublicate... Could you plea= se send me some links?) In the=C2=A0 uCPE draft=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shytyi-= opsawg-vysm/?include_text=3D1=C2=A0we are reffering/including multiple diff= erent RFCs and drafts produced by IETF community such as: o ietf-interfaces o ietf-ip o ietf-logical-network-element o ietf-network o ietf-network-instance o ietf-ietf-network-topology o ietf-routing-types o ietf-te-topology o ietf-te-topology-sf o ietf-te-types o ietf-yang-schema-mount And everything went good until we imported the=C2=A0ieee-dot1Q-types module= ... (to support VLANs on the NIs) yanglint SO 1.6.7: yanglint --verbose -p {rfclib} -p {draftlib} -p {tmplib}= {model} -i: err : Data model "ieee-dot1Q-types" not found. err : Importing "ieee-dot1Q-types" module into "ietf-ucpe-ni-properties" fa= iled. Thank you! ______________ Dmytro SHYTYI ------=_Part_846060_1796732765.1589814822903 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Hello netmod participants!

How we should address an import of modules produced by non IETF commu= nity? Was it already discussed? (If yes, I'm sorry to dublicate... Could yo= u please send me some links?)

In the  uCP= E draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-shytyi-opsawg-vysm/?include_text=3D1 we are reffering/incl= uding multiple different RFCs and drafts produced by IETF community such as= :

   o  ietf-interfaces
   o  ietf-ip
   o  ietf-logical-network-element
   o  ietf-network
   o  ietf-network-instance
   o  ietf-ietf-network-topology
   o  ietf-routing-types
   o  ietf-te-topology
   o  ietf-te-topology-sf
   o  ietf-te-types
   o  ietf-yang-schema-mount
And everything went good until w= e imported the ieee-dot1Q-types module... (to support VLANs on the NIs= )

=
yanglint SO 1.6.7: yanglint --verbose -p {rfclib} -p {draftlib} -p {tmplib}=
 {model} -i:
err : Data model "ieee-dot1Q-types" not found.
err : Importing "ieee-dot1Q-types" module into "ietf-ucpe-ni-properties" fa=
iled.
Thank you!
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Dmytro SH= YTYI



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boundary="----=_Part_968950_1725743577.1589901652573" Importance: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail X-ZohoMailClient: External Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] error: "Data model 'XXX' not found" during yang validation. X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 15:21:20 -0000 ------=_Part_968950_1725743577.1589901652573 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Qin, Thank you for your response! ______________ Dmytro SHYTYI ---- On Tue, 19 May 2020 03:00:58 +0200 Qin Wu wrote -= --- I think It is the datatracker pyang tool=E2=80=99s bug, ieee-dot1Q-types is= YANG model from other SDO and =C2=A0not integrated during compilation. If you run pyang check locally, this issue is gone. -Qin =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: netmod [mailto:mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org]= =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Dmytro Shytyi =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=8818=E6=97=A5 2= 3:14 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: netmod =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [netmod] error: "Data model 'XXX' not found" during ya= ng validation. =C2=A0 Hello netmod participants! =C2=A0 How we should address an import of modules produced by non IETF community? = Was it already discussed? (If yes, I'm sorry to dublicate... Could you plea= se send me some links?) =C2=A0 In the=C2=A0 uCPE draft=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shytyi-= opsawg-vysm/?include_text=3D1=C2=A0we are reffering/including multiple different RFCs and drafts produced by IET= F community such as: =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 ietf-interfaces =C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 ietf-ip =C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 ietf-logical-network-element =C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 ietf-network =C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 ietf-network-instance =C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 ietf-ietf-network-topology =C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 ietf-routing-types =C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 ietf-te-topology =C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 ietf-te-topology-sf =C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 ietf-te-types =C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 ietf-yang-schema-mount And everything went good until we imported the=C2=A0ieee-dot1Q-types module= ... (to support VLANs on the NIs) =C2=A0 yanglint SO 1.6.7: yanglint --verbose -p {rfclib} -p {draftlib} -p {tmplib}= {model} -i: err : Data model "ieee-dot1Q-types" not found. err : Importing "ieee-dot1Q-types" module into "ietf-ucpe-ni-properties" fa= iled. Thank you! ______________ Dmytro SHYTYI =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ------=_Part_968950_1725743577.1589901652573 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Hello Qin,

Thank you = for your response!
______________
Dmytro SHYTYI

<= /div>

---- On Tue, 19 May 2020 03:00:58 = +0200 Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com> wrote ----

= I think It is the datatracker pyang to= ol=E2=80=99s bug, ieee-dot1Q-types is YANG model from other SDO and  n= ot integrated during compilation.

If you run pyang check locally, this issue is go= ne.

-Qi= n

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: netmod [mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Dmytro Shytyi
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B45<= /span>=E6=9C=8818=E6=97=A5 23:14
=E6=94=B6= =E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: netmod <netmod@ietf.org>
=E4= =B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [netmod] error: "Data model 'XXX' n= ot found" during yang validation.

 

Hello netmod participants!
<= /p>

&nbs= p;

How we should address an import of modules produced by non= IETF community? Was it already discussed? (If yes, I'm sorry to dublicate.= .. Could you please send me some links?)

 

In the  uCPE draft&nb= sp;https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sh= ytyi-opsawg-vysm/?include_text=3D1 we are reffering/including multiple different RFCs and drafts produced by IET= F community such as:

 

   o  ietf-interfaces
=

   o  ietf-ip
   o  ietf=
-logical-network-element
<=
span class=3D"colour" style=3D"color:black">   o  ietf-network
   o  ietf-network-instance
   o&nbs=
p; ietf-ietf-network-topology
   o  ietf-routing-types<=
br>
   o  ietf-te-topology=

   o&=
nbsp; ietf-te-topology-sf
=
   o  ietf-te-types
= 
   o  ietf-yang-schema-mount

And everything went good until we imported the = ieee-dot1Q-types module... (to support VLANs on the NIs)
<= /p>

&nbs= p;

yang=
lint SO 1.6.7: yanglint --verbose -p {rfclib} -p {draftlib} -p {tmplib} {mo=
del} -i:
err : D=
ata model "ieee-dot1Q-types" not found.
err : Importing "ieee-dot1Q-types" module into "iet=
f-ucpe-ni-properties" failed.

Thank you!

______________
Dmytro SHYTYI

 

&= nbsp;

 <= /span>



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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cross posting to NETMOD as well From: Rob Wilton (rwilton) Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 6:44 AM To: draft-shytyi-opsawg-vysm@ietf.org Cc: opsawg@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages@ietf.org Subject: Device profile in draft-shytyi-opsawg-vysm and YANG packages Hi, This document seems to define a device profile for a uCPE devices (e.g. sec= tion 5 lists a set of YANG modules), along with a YANG module defining some= extra properties for an LNE. I didn't know whether you are aware of the work in NETMOD for defining YANG= packages (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages= /), but it might be interesting to see what a package definition for a uCPE= profile looks like. One area that would need to be investigated is the use of schema mounts. I= .e. for the package definition to be useful and correct it, the package def= inition may need to be extended to specify that some modules are mounted at= particular points in the schema (rather than at the root). Regards, Rob [As an individual contributor] --_000_DM5PR08MB2633C59868172E76DAA4AD1D9BB90DM5PR08MB2633namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

cross posting to NETMOD as well

 

From: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 6:44 AM
To: draft-shytyi-opsawg-vysm@ietf.org
Cc: opsawg@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages@ietf.org
Subject: Device profile in draft-shytyi-opsawg-vysm and YANG package= s

 

Hi,

 

This document seems to define a= device profile for a uCPE devices (e.g. section 5 lists a set of YANG modu= les), along with a YANG module defining some extra properties for an LNE.

 

I didn’t know whether you= are aware of the work in NETMOD for defining YANG packages (https://dat= atracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages/), but it might be interesting to see what a package definition for a uCPE pr= ofile looks like.

 

One area that would need to be = investigated is the use of schema mounts.  I.e. for the package defini= tion to be useful and correct it, the package definition may need to be ext= ended to specify that some modules are mounted at particular points in the schema (rather than at the root).

 

Regards,
Rob

 

[As an individual contributor]<= o:p>

 

 

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Thu, 21 May 2020 05:24:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Xufeng Liu Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 08:23:49 -0400 Message-ID: To: netconf , NETMOD WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005d4c0a05a627961e" Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] operation with "table join" capability X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:24:12 -0000 --0000000000005d4c0a05a627961e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" During the modeling discussion within TEAS WG, we encountered the dilemma between more compact (with less or no redundant information) YANG structure and less operations. We are wondering if it is reasonable to request NETCONF/YANG to support operations with "table join" capability that is equivalent to the SQL "JOIN" statement. The issue is reported as the last section in https://github.com/tsaad-dev/te/issues/98. The desired capability is: When a leafref or multiple leafrefs reference one or more objects specified in other parts of the schema, the operator can use a single operation to retrieve all attributes of the object containing the leafref and the attributes referenced by the leafref statement. Thanks, - Xufeng --0000000000005d4c0a05a627961e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
During the modeling discussion within TEAS WG, we enc= ountered the dilemma between more compact (with less or no redundant inform= ation) YANG structure and less <get-data> operations. We are wonderin= g if it is reasonable to request NETCONF/YANG to support <get-data> o= perations with "table join" capability that is equivalent to the = SQL "JOIN" statement.

The issue is repor= ted as the last section in https://github.com/tsaad-dev/te/issues/98.

The desired capability is:

When a leafref or mu= ltiple leafrefs reference one or more objects specified in other parts of t= he schema, the operator can use a single <get-data> operation to retr= ieve all attributes of the object containing the leafref and the attributes= referenced by the leafref statement.

Thanks,
- Xufeng

--0000000000005d4c0a05a627961e-- From nobody Thu May 21 08:02:19 2020 Return-Path: <010001723773049b-332a2a2d-cee5-4336-9e24-db1b42f83c7a-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488BF3A0CB1; Thu, 21 May 2020 06:36:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8buQnbOXxaE7; Thu, 21 May 2020 06:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1EFB3A0CAE; Thu, 21 May 2020 06:36:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1590068184; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Message-Id:References:To:Feedback-ID; bh=ZRlOK358QGvHfhATeBQ1vposzjU4eZuAr87Ojud5tiA=; b=V0vX8f8uanso8nAg1sZeHVAnh7NjSWlEE1PJbbqAonLlz1qyfrOREEX9qDUqDhZU Vv2oTGKHlC1AQ51Z+BeO1C7KCNbnU0TSFqYehwfIX1mnNpAayhKv5r3hGjBjNtSVWrH Nfnuvf39Rx8LuyL9P+EQN+ENnS2JTq9C25OP7KC0= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7783230F-8EAA-4721-8EB2-67B56FF6C902" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 13:36:24 +0000 Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" Message-ID: <010001723773049b-332a2a2d-cee5-4336-9e24-db1b42f83c7a-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: To: Xufeng Liu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.05.21-54.240.8.33 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 21 May 2020 08:02:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [netmod] operation with "table join" capability X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 13:36:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7783230F-8EAA-4721-8EB2-67B56FF6C902 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [moving 'netmod' to BCC since this question has no modeling impact] > The desired capability is: >=20 > When a leafref or multiple leafrefs reference one or more objects = specified in other parts of the schema, the operator can use a single = operation to retrieve all attributes of the object containing = the leafref and the attributes referenced by the leafref statement. The motivation is clear. A solution would likely entail returning a multi-part response, perhaps = a single tree for NETCONF. Note that the resolutions may themselves = include leafrefs, a full-response may be N levels deep. =20 K. --Apple-Mail=_7783230F-8EAA-4721-8EB2-67B56FF6C902 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii [moving 'netmod' to BCC since this question has no modeling = impact]


The desired = capability is:

When a leafref or multiple leafrefs reference one or more = objects specified in other parts of the schema, the operator can use a = single <get-data> operation to retrieve all attributes of the = object containing the leafref and the attributes referenced by the = leafref statement.

The motivation is clear.

A solution would likely entail returning a multi-part = response, perhaps a single tree for NETCONF.   Note that the = resolutions may themselves include leafrefs, a full-response may be N = levels deep.   

K.

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