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the identityref's base identities. > > Example: > > identity base-1 { > description > "Base identity #1."; > } > > identity base-2 { > description > "Base identity #2."; > } > > identity a { > base base-1; > description > "Identity A."; > } > > identity b { > base base-1; > base base-2; > description > "Identity B."; > } > > identity c { > base base-2; > description > "Identity C."; > } > > leaf reference { > type identityref { > base base-1; > base base-2; > } > description > "Reference to an identity."; > } > > The question is how to determine the value space for this identityref. > > Option #1: > The value space is any identity which is derived from both base identities. This means the only valid value in the example would be 'b'. > > Option #2: > The value space is any identity which is derived from either base identity. This means the valid values are 'a', 'b' and 'c'. > > The phrasing "...derived from all the identityref's base identities." tends to point to Option #1 but I would like clarification on the intent. Yes, #1 is correct. Lada > > Best regards, > Joey > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Mon Aug 3 04:57:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129693A0ED7 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 04:57:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btconnect.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) 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10028) with ESMTP id Grk_tl6_fKOo; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 18:30:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.218.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 557C820154; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 18:30:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 18:30:24 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Christian Hopps Cc: Qin Wu , "netmod@ietf.org" , "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20200803163024.qbvaswyg6cjnfd7g@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: Christian Hopps , Qin Wu , "netmod@ietf.org" , "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] rfc6991bis: yang:longitude, yang:latitude, yang:postal-code, yang:country-code X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 16:30:33 -0000 Having skimmed draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-05.txt again, I agree that people should use the grouping. The examples in Appendix A make it pretty clear that it is possible to report minimal values if that is desirable but having the flexibility to report more details may come in handy where needed. As far as rfc6991bis is concerned, it is clear that there is nothing to be done for latitude and longitude. /js On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 04:34:17AM -0400, Christian Hopps wrote: > The point of the grouping is to not cut corners, and that it was vetted= by experts in the field. Just re-using some typedefs of lat/long/height = is not sufficient. You must also talk about the reference system which de= fines the meaning of those values, and know what you are talking about. I= t matters. Providing typedef's would suggest that it was OK to just re-us= e those values alone, when in fact it is not. If you read through the doc= ument you will see comparisons to other geographic location specification= s. None of them just define "lat/long" as decimal degrees and call it don= e, as that is not sufficient. >=20 > Why shouldn't the grouping be used as is here? Nothing says that the so= ftware has to support every possible variation of data. Yes, the grouping= allows specifying many types of coordinates (e.g., on the Moon), but tha= t does not mean that the software that uses the grouping has to actually = support those inputs. >=20 > In fact, If you look at the case we are talking about here, there's not= only no reason to be limiting the geo-location, it's literally the use-c= ase that drove me to create the grouping and its generality (i.e., locati= ng network elements for a telecom and its management system). >=20 > Thanks, > Chris. >=20 > > On Jul 30, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Qin Wu wrote: > >=20 > > Thanks Chris and Jurgen for clarification, > > Chris, I am not sure I catch what you said. Does adding new typedef f= or longtitude and latitude do harm to draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-05? > > Type in my opinion is more reusable building block. > >=20 > > -Qin > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Christian Hopps [mailto:chopps@chopps.or= g ] > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8831=E6=97= =A5 0:38 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Juergen Schoenwaelder > > > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Christian Hopps >; Qin Wu >; n= etmod@ietf.org ; netmod-chairs@ietf.org > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [netmod] rfc6991bis: yang:longitude, yang:lat= itude, yang:postal-code, yang:country-code > >=20 > > I received specific external feedback from the geo experts to just us= e a number instead of a type. I think they may have been thinking that it= would be easier to redefine the values meaning for different systems. > >=20 > > Thanks, > > Chris. > >=20 > >=20 > > On Jul 30, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder > wrote= : > >=20 > > Looking in the I-Ds, I see that draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-05 > > defines a grouping geo-location. draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-22 > > has: > >=20 > > +--ro geolocation > > +--ro altitude? int64 > > +--ro latitude? geographic-coordinate-degree > > +--ro longitude? geographic-coordinate-degree > >=20 > > You might simply use the grouping here that comes out of > > draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-05 - but then the grouping is > > also a bit more complex than what you have. > >=20 > > Unfortunately, draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-05 does not define > > helper types. The latitude and longitude leafs are simply decimal64s > > with all details spelled out inline: > >=20 > > leaf latitude { > > type decimal64 { > > fraction-digits 16; > > } > > units "decimal degrees"; > > description > > "The latitude value on the astronomical body. The > > definition and precision of this measurement is > > indicated by the reference-frame value."; > > } > > leaf longitude { > > type decimal64 { > > fraction-digits 16; > > } > > units "decimal degrees"; > > description > > "The longitude value on the astronomical body. The > > definition and precision of this measurement is > > indicated by the reference-frame."; > > } > >=20 > > The teas document has > >=20 > > typedef geographic-coordinate-degree { > > type decimal64 { > > fraction-digits 8; > > } > > description > > "Decimal degree (DD) used to express latitude and longitude > > geographic coordinates."; > > } > >=20 > > leaf latitude { > > type geographic-coordinate-degree { > > range "-90..90"; > > } > > description > > "Relative position north or south on the Earth's surface."; > > } > >=20 > > leaf longitude { > > type geographic-coordinate-degree { > > range "-180..180"; > > } > > description > > "Angular distance east or west on the Earth's surface."; > > } > >=20 > > Note also the differences in the precision. Obviously, > > draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-05 could have defined > > helper types like > >=20 > > typedef latitude { > > type decimal64 { > > fraction-digits 16; > > } > > units "decimal degrees"; > > description > > "The latitude value on the astronomical body."; > > } > >=20 > > typdef longitude { > > type decimal64 { > > fraction-digits 16; > > } > > units "decimal degrees"; > > description > > "The longitude value on the astronomical body. The > > definition and precision of this measurement is > > indicated by the reference-frame."; > > } > >=20 > > and a bunch more and used them to define the leafs. These types could > > then have been reused in situations where the grouping in all its > > details is not needed. > >=20 > > I am not entirely sure where draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-05 is in > > the WG process, the datatracker says "In WG Last Call, Revised I-D > > Needed - Issue raised by WGLC" - so perhaps there is a chance to get > > the inline type definitions factored out so that they can be reused. > >=20 > > I think this is something where the input from Chris Hopps and the > > NETMOD chairs is important to determine the path forward. Since we > > have an ietf-geo-location module, I would prefer to have common types > > for location information defined there and not in yang-types. > >=20 > > /js > >=20 > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 04:02:51PM +0200, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote= : > >=20 > > But then perhaps draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-05 needs to be update= d > > or you need to use a grouping. I think we should not have overlapping > > work in different documents. > >=20 > > /js > >=20 > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 01:54:43PM +0000, Qin Wu wrote: > >=20 > > That is a good option, but draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-05 only def= ine grouping, there is typedef for longitude and latitude, altitude. > >=20 > > -Qin > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwa= elder@jacobs-university.de ] > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8830=E6=97= =A5 21:32 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Qin Wu > > > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: netmod@ietf.org > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [netmod] rfc6991bis: yang:longitude, yang:lat= itude, yang:postal-code, yang:country-code > >=20 > > But there is draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-05... What about using th= e types defined in there? > >=20 > > /js > >=20 > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 01:28:17PM +0000, Qin Wu wrote: > >=20 > > See geolocation definition in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-22 which d= efines longitude and latitude, altitude. > > I know it is beneficial for future document to import these types fro= m rfc6991bis instead of from te topo model. > >=20 > > -Qin > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: netmod [mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org <= mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org>] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Juergen Schoenwaelder > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8818=E6=97= =A5 3:16 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: netmod@ietf.org > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [netmod] rfc6991bis: yang:longitude, yang:latitud= e, > > yang:postal-code, yang:country-code > >=20 > > - It was suggested to add types for longitude, latitude, postal > > code, country-code. Do we go there or do we leave these for other > > modules to define? It seems such definitions should go into > > draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location. > >=20 > > - Geo location is covered by draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location > > (so do nothing). > >=20 > > - For country codes, there is ISO 3166, which defines two-letter, > > three-letter, and numeric country codes. I assume people wanted > > two-letter codes (as used in the DNS), i.e. they want DE and not > > DEU. But note that it is GB and not UK, i.e., what we commonly > > use in the DNS may not be exactly ISO 3166. (The devil is always > > in the details.) > >=20 > > - For postal codes, it is unclear what the requirements are or what > > a proper definition for postal codes is. It is not entirely clear > > what the authoritative definition of the format of postal codes > > is, perhaps the Universal Postal Union. > >=20 > > - Options: (i) do nothing or (ii) add a country code definition > > only or (iii) add both a country code definition and a postal > > code definition (which might be to some extend vague) > >=20 > > - Proposal: do nothing > >=20 > > -- > > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | German= y > > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > >=20 > > -- > > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | German= y > > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > >=20 > > -- > > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | German= y > > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > >=20 > > -- > > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | German= y > > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > >=20 --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Aug 3 11:46:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E453A0A38 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Rob Here is my feedback. -07 draft The one hole I see is that there is no mention of priority mapping. VLAN tags have priority. (see additional behavior in the 802.1 model below). For Priority: One might assume the traffic is 1:1 mapped for Ethernet ingress and egress vlans the PCP & DE being preserved. But the document should state what happens. (L2 case). 1:1 mapping is not usually true for S-VLAN tag being added to C-VLAN tag case. Usually a C-VLAN does not access all of the outer tag priorities. When you add any VLAN tag to an untagged frame there would typically be a mapping from IP DSCP to VLAN PCP & DE. (L3 Case) For this document you should say priority mapping is not specified or point to where it is specified. Comments on the IEEE Model: Note this is based on the Model and how it is supposed to work I know the industry has a wide range of equipment that can us a hybrid models that are in between. My comments are about how the IEEE has structured the YANG model. A.2. IEEE 802.1Q Bridge Configuration Model Overview (original text) The key features of the IEEE 802.1Q bridge configuration model can be summarized as: o Each VLAN bridge component has a set of Ethernet interfaces that are members of that bridge. Sub-interfaces are not used, nor required in the 802.1Q bridge model. o Within a VLAN bridge component, the VLAN tag in the packet is used, along with the destination MAC address, to determine how to forward the packet. Other forwarding paradigms are not supported by the 802.1Q model. [Don] Partially true o Classification of traffic to a VLAN bridge component is based only on the Ethernet interface that it arrived on. [Don] Classification is not the correct term. Mapping o VLAN Identifiers are scoped to a VLAN bridge component. Often devices only support a single bridge component and hence VLANs are scoped globally within the device. [Don] See comments below. It is not that devices are small why there is little VLAN Identifier config it is because a large part of VLAN Identifiers is control plane driven for large devices. o Feature configuration is specified in the context of the bridge, or particular VLANs on a bridge. [Don] Oversimplifies. Here is my view of how VLANs are configured in 802.1. Feel free to use any or all of it. The main point is that the 802.1 VLAN model is quite different. A.2. IEEE 802.1Q Bridge Configuration Model Overview (suggested by me) Note that Bridges range from very simple devices to carrier class high performance switches and the concepts of bridging covers a vast range of devices used for data transport, video, audio and industrial control. VLAN configuration is hierarchical in nature. Interfaces are mapped to bridge components that support a VLAN. VLANs are refined by VLAN tags which contain type, VLAN identifiers and Priority information. VLAN configuration is intentionally a high level and is often not specified to each specific VLAN identifier on a bridge, since the control plane allows VLAN tags to be dynamically configured. Devices also vary in how they are configured - the following is a description of some key features of the IEEE 802.1Q bridge configuration model: * IEEE Yang Modeling follows the bridge architecture of IEEE 802.1Q. Each VLAN bridge has one or more Ethernet interfaces that are mapped to that component. Sub-interfaces are not used, nor required in the 802.1Q bridge model. * 802.1 Bridges maintain an active topology for each VLAN and the VLAN identified traffic follows that topology. A Bridge is composed of bridge components of different types. * Bridges use forwarding and filtering rules to refine the traffic in the VLAN. Bridges have properties and features that are configured on a VLAN basis. Example data functions per component are encryption, priority mapping, time sensitive forwarding, policing and shaping etc. * Configuration maps interfaces to bridges allowing traffic received and transmitted to be part of the VLAN. (Interfaces may be single links or link aggregation groups - multiple links between devices that behave as one large link.) * The VLAN represents a group of traffic that uses VLAN tags to further refine the connectivity and behavior within that VLAN. VLAN tags identify the traffic and are used forward and filter traffic and typical VLAN identifier configuration on the bridge includes or excludes those VLANs or more commonly leaves the configuration to be dynamically controlled by the control plane. * Traffic on the interface may arrive with no VLAN tag or several VLAN tag types. VLAN tags types determine the inclusion in the VLAN and the treatment. The typical VLAN types are priority tagged, customer VLAN tagged or provider/backbone VLAN tagged. If the interface receives a type other than what it is expecting it will treat the traffic as untagged and flow the rules for that interface. This is one way that multiple tags can occur on a frame. * Within a VLAN on a learning bridge, MAC addresses are learned, either shared across the VLAN identifiers or shared amongst one or more sets of VLAN identifiers (This part is configurable by VLAN identifier/Forwarding Identifier tables but is usually specified simply as shared learning or independent learning for the whole VLAN). Unicast addresses are learned by interface. Multicast addresses follow the active topology in the VLAN but may be pruned further by other protocols. * Traffic and forwarding rules are bidirectionally congruent such that if a VLAN tag is added at an interface in the forward direction, it is removed in the reverse direction. * VLAN tags contain priority information that determines the traffic treatment as it is forwarded. (Within a VLAN traffic streams may be used to refine the traffic behavior further if the device supports stream filters.) * As a rule, each Bridge component considers only the outer VLAN tag however Bridge components can be cascaded within Ethernet switches or between switches to handle multiple VLAN tags such as required by provider bridging or provider backbone bridging. * Many Ethernet bridge devices support VID translation on interfaces. This is a capability that is localized to an interface mapping VLAN identifiers to other VLAN identifiers. This capability is primarily used to prevent VLAN Identifier number conflicts between networks run by different administrations. * Per interface the VLAN Identifiers are scoped to a VLAN bridge component, but switches may vary in the numbers bridge components and interfaces supported. The same VLAN identifiers may be reused in disjoint VLANs. I also found errors in the XML config examples. I used Yanglint and the attached xml - the etfSubInterface identity is required to be configured by the xpath when statement. There is also some confusion with prefixes used. ietf-if-extensions replaces ietf-interfaces-common ? Yanglint did not like one of the IPv6 addresses and I'm pretty sure there is a typo where the parent interface should be eth1 but yanglint does not care. As far as I can tell the YANG modules are OK but the config examples are outdated and do not validate. I'm not sure about the format config statement in the xml - I used the following yanglint commands to validate the attached config. > load iana-if-type > load ieee802-dot1q-types > load ietf-if-flexible-encapsulation > load ietf-if-vlan-encapsulation > load ietf-network-instance > load ietf-l2vpn > feature ietf-if-flexible-encapsulation --enable * > feature ietf-if-extensions --enable * > data -t config -f json ietf-flex-test1.xml > data -t config -f json ietf-flex-test2.xml List of the loaded models: i ietf-yang-metadata@2016-08-05 I yang@2017-02-20 i ietf-inet-types@2013-07-15 i ietf-yang-types@2013-07-15 i ietf-datastores@2018-02-14 I ietf-yang-library@2019-01-04 I ietf-interfaces@2018-02-20 I iana-if-type@2017-01-19 I ieee802-dot1q-types@2018-03-07 I ietf-if-extensions@2019-11-04 I ietf-if-flexible-encapsulation@2020-07-13 I ietf-if-l3-vlan@2019-11-04 I ietf-ip@2018-02-22 i ietf-yang-schema-mount@2019-01-14 I ietf-network-instance@2019-01-21 i ietf-routing-types@2017-12-04 I ietf-pseudowires@2018-10-22 I ietf-l2vpn@2019-05-28 Cheers Don From: Rob Wilton (rwilton) Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 5:54 PM To: Don Fedyk ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: RE: [netmod] Comments on draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model-05 Hi Don, Apologies for being so slow to get back to you on these comments. As you are aware, I have added some examples to the document, and tweaked a little bit of the introduction text to hopefully help make it a bit more clear about how this YANG module is used in conjunction with IP or L2VPN YANG models. If you have time, please can you take a look at the latest draft version (-07) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model/ to see if you think the text is sufficient, or further explanation is required? Regards, Rob From: netmod > On Behalf Of Don Fedyk Sent: 20 September 2019 14:24 To: netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] Comments on draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model-05 Some comments on the draft : On the content of the draft L3 Section: Overall the draft assumes quite a bit of knowledge about L3 service configuration. I don't know where L3 service to interfaces in the IETF models. I'd guess it is routing to interfaces and IP forwarding based on routing but if it is defined, pointers in the draft would help. From what I understand this draft allows a L3 service interface to terminate to an Ethernet with any combination of 2 VLAN tags. The draft does not state it but I assume this encapsulation is symmetric. (Symmetrical/Asymmetrical is only mentioned for L2). Note the implied service context (what you get when you strip the tags) allows for symmetric traffic . For L3 this is typically MPLS or IP 5 tuple etc. On the layer 2 section: For the L2VPN case there is already a YANG file that describes the Service VLAN tagging. I'm trying to figure you what your draft brings to this case. It seems to me this draft allows (more) flexible tagging for the unqualified/unqualified learning VPNs. By allowing translation and possibly carrying more tags a single VLAN can carry more diverse traffic. However there are subtleties in doing VLAN translation. Without examples of applications I'm left guessing how this is intended to be applied. Also it is not as easy for me to understand the service context as with L3 above. How do you identify untagged traffic (or is it a tag swapping model?) In L2 VPNs the classic case of qualified learning (also called independent VLAN learning in IEEE) removes the (one) outer tag and carries the second tag in the MPLS frame. The MPLS label stack is the context for the service. The second tag is assumed unique in the qualified domain. In Unqualified learning (or shared VLAN learning) removing the one outer tag and means the possibility collisions in the second tag space - no unique context is maintained this is where VLAN translation has typically been used. In both cases the second tag is not changed. One application of your draft implies to me that you support he same models but the second tag can be changed. Can you support both unqualified and qualified with the flexible tagging and does it change any of the established capabilities? Or something else? It would be really great clarify. Some text on applicability with concrete L2VPN examples would help and what it offers over the current L2VPN Yang. Therefore my suggestion is that the draft say something to the effect that: . The draft is limited to the a port/service interface/access model . The draft is agnostic to the full range of the Ethernet functions that rely on the IEEE 802.1 component model. . The draft uses Ethernet compatible Tagging to allow bridging in between endpoints or interworking with bridges in a with a subset functionality.* *Note the draft is adding some other functionally that is outside/alternative to the IEEE 802.1 functions but it interworks with Ethernet on a subset. I think you do have to revisit some the language around compatibility with compliant bridges with respect to the above points. Best regards Don ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01D669A4.D9684290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Rob

 

Here is my = feedback. -07 draft

 

The one hole = I see is that there is no mention of priority mapping.  VLAN tags = have priority. (see additional behavior in the 802.1 model below). =

For Priority:

One might  assume the traffic is 1:1 mapped for = Ethernet  ingress and egress vlans the PCP & DE being = preserved.  But the document should state what happens.  (L2 = case).

1:1 mapping is not usually = true for S-VLAN tag being added to C-VLAN tag case.  Usually a = C-VLAN does not access all of the outer tag priorities. =

When you add any VLAN  tag to = an untagged frame there would typically be a  mapping from IP DSCP = to VLAN PCP & DE. (L3 Case)

For = this document you should say priority mapping is not specified or point = to where it is specified.

 

Comments on = the IEEE Model:  Note this is based on the Model and how it is = supposed to work I know the industry has a wide range of equipment that = can us a hybrid models that are in between. My comments are about how = the IEEE has structured the YANG model.  

A.2.  IEEE = 802.1Q Bridge Configuration Model Overview (original text)

 
   The key features of the IEEE 802.1Q =
bridge configuration model can be
   summarized =
as:
 
   o  Each VLAN bridge component =
has a set of Ethernet interfaces that
      are members of that =
bridge.  Sub-interfaces are not used, =
nor
      required in the =
802.1Q bridge model.
 
   o  Within a VLAN bridge =
component, the VLAN tag in the packet =
is
      used, along with =
the destination MAC address, to determine how =
to
      forward the =
packet.  Other forwarding paradigms are not =
supported
      by the 802.1Q =
model.
[Don] =
Partially true
 
   o  Classification of traffic to =
a VLAN bridge component is based only
      on the Ethernet =
interface that it arrived on.
[Don] Classification is not the correct term. =
Mapping   
 
   o  VLAN Identifiers are scoped =
to a VLAN bridge component.  =
Often
      devices only =
support a single bridge component and hence VLANs =
are
      scoped globally =
within the device.
[Don] See comments below. It is not that devices =
are small why there is little VLAN Identifier config it is because a =
large part of VLAN Identifiers is control plane driven for large =
devices. 
 
   o  Feature configuration is =
specified in the context of the =
bridge,
      or particular VLANs =
on a bridge.

[Don] = Oversimplifies.

 

Here is my = view of how VLANs are configured in 802.1.  Feel free to use any or = all of it. 

The main point is = that the 802.1 VLAN model is quite different.

 

A.2.  = IEEE 802.1Q Bridge Configuration Model Overview (suggested by = me)

 
Note that =
Bridges range from very simple devices to carrier class high performance =
switches and the concepts of bridging covers a vast range of devices =
used for data transport, video, audio and industrial control. VLAN =
configuration is hierarchical in nature. Interfaces are mapped to bridge =
components that support a VLAN.  VLANs are refined by VLAN tags =
which contain type, VLAN identifiers and Priority =
information.
 
VLAN =
configuration is intentionally a high level and is often not specified =
to each specific VLAN identifier on a bridge, since the control plane =
allows VLAN tags to be dynamically configured. Devices also vary in how =
they are configured – the following is a description of some key =
features of the IEEE 802.1Q bridge configuration =
model:
 
·        =
IEEE Yang =
Modeling follows the bridge architecture of IEEE 802.1Q.  Each VLAN =
bridge has one or more Ethernet interfaces that are mapped to that =
component.  Sub-interfaces are not used, nor required in the 802.1Q =
bridge model. 
·        =
802.1 Bridges =
maintain an active topology for each VLAN and the VLAN identified =
traffic follows that topology. A Bridge is composed of bridge components =
of different types. 
·        =
Bridges use =
forwarding and filtering rules to refine the traffic in the VLAN. =
Bridges have properties and features that are configured on a VLAN =
basis. Example data functions per component are encryption, priority =
mapping, time sensitive forwarding, policing and shaping etc. =

·        =
Configuration =
maps interfaces to bridges allowing traffic received and transmitted to =
be part of the VLAN. (Interfaces may be single links or link aggregation =
groups – multiple links between devices that behave as one large =
link.) 
·        =
The VLAN =
represents a group of traffic that uses VLAN tags to further refine the =
connectivity and behavior within that VLAN. VLAN tags identify the =
traffic and are used forward and filter traffic and typical VLAN =
identifier configuration on the bridge includes or excludes those VLANs =
or more commonly leaves the configuration to be dynamically controlled =
by the control plane. 
·        =
Traffic on =
the interface may arrive with no VLAN tag or several VLAN tag types. =
VLAN tags types determine the inclusion in the VLAN and the treatment. =
The typical VLAN types are priority tagged, customer VLAN tagged or =
provider/backbone VLAN tagged. If the interface receives a type other =
than what it is expecting it will treat the traffic as untagged and flow =
the rules for that interface. This is one way that multiple tags can =
occur on a frame.
·        =
Within a VLAN =
on a learning bridge, MAC addresses are learned, either shared across =
the VLAN identifiers or shared amongst one or more sets of VLAN =
identifiers (This part is configurable by VLAN identifier/Forwarding =
Identifier tables but is usually specified simply as shared learning or =
independent learning for the whole VLAN). Unicast addresses are learned =
by interface. Multicast addresses follow the active topology in the VLAN =
but may be pruned further by other protocols.  =

·        =
Traffic and =
forwarding rules are bidirectionally congruent such that if a VLAN tag =
is added at an interface in the forward direction, it is removed in the =
reverse direction. 
·        =
VLAN tags =
contain priority information that determines the traffic treatment as it =
is forwarded. (Within a VLAN traffic streams may be used to refine the =
traffic behavior further if the device supports stream =
filters.)
·        =
As a rule, =
each Bridge component considers only the outer VLAN tag however Bridge =
components can be cascaded within Ethernet switches or between switches =
to handle multiple VLAN tags such as required by provider bridging or =
provider backbone bridging. 
·        =
Many Ethernet =
bridge devices support VID translation on interfaces. This is a =
capability that is localized to an interface mapping VLAN identifiers to =
other VLAN identifiers. This capability is primarily used to prevent =
VLAN Identifier number conflicts between networks run by different =
administrations.
·        =
Per interface =
the VLAN Identifiers are scoped to a VLAN bridge component, but switches =
may vary in the numbers bridge components and interfaces supported. The =
same VLAN identifiers may be reused in disjoint VLANs. =

 

 

 

I also found = errors in the XML config examples.  I used Yanglint and the = attached xml – the etfSubInterface identity is required to be = configured by the xpath when statement. 

There is =
also some confusion with  prefixes used. ietf-if-extensions =
replaces ietf-interfaces-common ?

Yanglint did not like one of the IPv6 addresses  = and I’m pretty sure there is a typo where the parent interface = should be eth1 but yanglint does not care.

As far as I can tell the YANG modules are OK but the = config examples are outdated and do not validate.

 

I’m = not sure about the format config statement in the xml – I used the = following yanglint commands to validate the attached = config.

> load = iana-if-type

> load = ieee802-dot1q-types

> load = ietf-if-flexible-encapsulation 

> load ietf-if-vlan-encapsulation

> load ietf-network-instance

> load ietf-l2vpn

> feature  ietf-if-flexible-encapsulation = --enable *

> feature  = ietf-if-extensions --enable *

> = data  -t config   -f json = ietf-flex-test1.xml

> data  = -t config   -f json ietf-flex-test2.xml

 

List of the = loaded models:

         &= nbsp;    i ietf-yang-metadata@2016-08-05

         &= nbsp;    I yang@2017-02-20

         &= nbsp;    i ietf-inet-types@2013-07-15

         &= nbsp;    i ietf-yang-types@2013-07-15

         &= nbsp;    i ietf-datastores@2018-02-14

         &= nbsp;    I ietf-yang-library@2019-01-04

         &= nbsp;    I ietf-interfaces@2018-02-20

         &= nbsp;    I iana-if-type@2017-01-19

         &= nbsp;    I = ieee802-dot1q-types@2018-03-07

         &= nbsp;    I ietf-if-extensions@2019-11-04

         &= nbsp;    I = ietf-if-flexible-encapsulation@2020-07-13

         &= nbsp;    I ietf-if-l3-vlan@2019-11-04

         &= nbsp;    I ietf-ip@2018-02-22

         &= nbsp;    i = ietf-yang-schema-mount@2019-01-14

         &= nbsp;    I = ietf-network-instance@2019-01-21

         &= nbsp;    i ietf-routing-types@2017-12-04

         &= nbsp;    I ietf-pseudowires@2018-10-22

         &= nbsp;    I ietf-l2vpn@2019-05-28

 

Cheers

Don

 

From: Rob Wilton (rwilton) = <rwilton@cisco.com>
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 5:54 = PM
To: Don Fedyk <dfedyk@labn.net>; = netmod@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [netmod] Comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model-05

 

Hi Don,

 

Apologies for being so slow to get back to you on these = comments.

 

As you are aware, I have added some examples to the = document, and tweaked a little bit of the introduction text to hopefully = help make it a bit more clear about how this YANG module is used in = conjunction with IP or L2VPN YANG models.

 

If you have time, please can you = take a look at the latest draft version (-07) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-= vlan-model/ to see if you think the text = is sufficient, or further explanation is = required?

 

Regards,
Rob

 

 

From: = netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Don Fedyk
Sent: 20 September 2019 = 14:24
To: netmod@ietf.org
Subject: = [netmod] Comments on = draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model-05

 

Some comments on the draft :

 

On the = content of the draft L3 Section: 

Overall the draft assumes quite a bit of knowledge = about L3 service configuration.  I don’t know where L3 = service to interfaces in the IETF models.  I’d guess it is = routing to interfaces and IP forwarding based on routing but if it is = defined, pointers in the draft would help.  From what I understand = this draft allows a L3 service interface to terminate to an Ethernet = with any combination of 2 VLAN tags.  The draft does not state it = but I assume this encapsulation is symmetric. =  (Symmetrical/Asymmetrical is only mentioned for L2).   = Note the implied service context (what you get when you strip the tags) = allows for symmetric traffic . For  L3 this is typically MPLS or IP = 5 tuple etc.

 

On the layer 2 section: 

For the L2VPN case there is already a YANG file that = describes the Service VLAN tagging.   I’m trying to = figure you what your draft brings to this case.  It seems to me = this draft allows (more) flexible tagging for the = unqualified/unqualified learning VPNs.  By allowing translation and = possibly carrying more tags a single VLAN can carry more diverse = traffic.  However there are subtleties in doing VLAN = translation.  Without examples of applications I’m left = guessing how this is intended to be applied.  Also it is not as = easy for me to understand the service context as with L3 = above.   How do you identify untagged traffic (or is it a tag = swapping model?) In L2 VPNs the classic case of qualified learning (also = called independent VLAN learning in IEEE) removes the (one) outer tag = and carries the second tag in the MPLS frame.  The MPLS label stack = is the context for the service. The second tag is assumed unique in the = qualified domain. In Unqualified learning (or shared VLAN learning) = removing the one outer tag and means the possibility collisions in the = second tag space – no unique context is maintained this is where = VLAN translation has typically been used.  In both cases the second = tag is not changed.  One application of your draft implies to me = that you support he same models but the second tag can be changed. Can = you support both unqualified and qualified with the flexible tagging and = does it change any of the established capabilities?  Or something = else?  It would be really great clarify.   Some text on = applicability with concrete L2VPN examples would help and what it offers = over the current L2VPN Yang.

 

 

Therefore my = suggestion is that the draft say something to the effect that: =

•        =      The draft is limited to the a port/service = interface/access model

•        =      The draft is agnostic to the full range of the = Ethernet functions that rely on the IEEE 802.1 component model. =

•        =      The draft uses Ethernet compatible Tagging to = allow bridging in between endpoints or interworking with bridges in a = with a subset functionality.*

 

*Note the = draft is adding some other functionally that is outside/alternative to = the IEEE 802.1 functions but it interworks with Ethernet on a subset. =

I think you do have to revisit some = the language around compatibility with compliant bridges with respect to = the above points.

 

 

Best = regards

Don

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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: b0da630e-3adb-42c6-9310-08d8395b7116 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Aug 2020 16:20:17.3862 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: j22AWHvwwrvbO7TZsLr6tafTs8b0Ni1bq4Ke3qUA7qr6ruJiFCtHf+c10KSe8q/sNq+xAlLuZOWta/y50k0VdA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM7PR07MB6453 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 16:20:45 -0000 Looking at an I-D with endless submodules, I am left thinking=0A= =0A= Costs=0A= =0A= greater in size=0A= more complex to understand=0A= harder to review=0A= more likely to have undetected errors=0A= =0A= Benefits=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= What am I missing? I have only ever seen one such module in the IETF that = I can recall and it is draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model and AFAICT it would be smal= ler, simpler, easier to understand if it were done with grouping instead of= submodule.=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= From nobody Wed Aug 5 09:48:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F963A0CE0 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 09:48:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sFHyLKFt1G3D for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 09:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de (atlas5.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F8313A0CD7 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 09:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E649814; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:48:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.198]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id B35sQyJ2ECuM; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:48:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "DFN-Verein Global Issuing CA" (verified OK)) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:48:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC2520154; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:48:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10028) with ESMTP id ldA4jM3gT0a5; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:48:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.218.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D8B7200E4; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:48:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:48:20 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: tom petch Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20200805164820.rv35b74xhc4v7qrx@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: tom petch , "netmod@ietf.org" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 16:48:27 -0000 As a data point, RFC 7407 uses sub-modules. The sub-modules more or less reflect SNMPv3's modular architecture, the different transports are for example separated out as sub-modules. I guess we also used sub-modules back then because we wanted to see how this works in an IETF context (RFC 7407 was approved/published 6 years ago, we were still learning how to use YANG at that time). I personally meanwhile believe that sub-modules add complexity with little extra value but this view surely is not shared by others. Anyway, people using them should have a good reason for using them. Since SNMPv3 has a great modular architecture, it makes sense to structure the YANG modules accordingly and instead of having many ietf-snmp- modules, sub-modules came in handy to have everything in a single namespace. For technologies that do not have a modular architecture that can be followed, creating modular sub-modules is likely not worth the effort. /js PS: I am not sure that sub-modules are necessarily harder to review. For the crypto YANG modules, we have several intertwined modules, they are likely as complex to review as if they were all sub-modules sharing a single namespace - or a single module with all definitions in one big module. On Wed, Aug 05, 2020 at 04:20:17PM +0000, tom petch wrote: > Looking at an I-D with endless submodules, I am left thinking > > Costs > > greater in size > more complex to understand > harder to review > more likely to have undetected errors > > Benefits > > > > What am I missing? I have only ever seen one such module in the IETF that I can recall and it is draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model and AFAICT it would be smaller, simpler, easier to understand if it were done with grouping instead of submodule. > > Tom Petch > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed Aug 5 10:15:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766A13A0DC9 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 10:15:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.887 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o88TQMuBZKa2 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 10:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x22b.google.com (mail-lj1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E785A3A0B9D for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 10:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id v4so38890734ljd.0 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 10:15:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6wIk6m9m/a3MFprRn6JaxhupG4pTQth/4ZQhcYzbE04=; b=UWWYk2PMRnVlfvJ4c/WOkJHX7pxirEySEfSDP3uQaVtdqe03lpc23hw2QqmU4ESo3p cNFbHffztuB2TgJVsFtqvgz8ywAgsxncI4m8afinz1BBcpV/UGGZFiQw3o/+vChXNXSC NA1aD8mgHJ9znmjw8nK0K+wIiYHo80CQ+Hgyy7/EilAoszU85N2MV5hmU3bHhwYu7ZTk pjrwtGjXiz/IoB0Ahc/b7uMLzk2P9dyqd0ph0giLrDYJEFcFjsk1+ZAseJ1q8tcUTpMe sL65PpM0xySkK9UtfAAwQnRT0E++wS1d3Zrk0VljwndQt1BCI3XxTESCpvf/L5CqM697 hHQQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6wIk6m9m/a3MFprRn6JaxhupG4pTQth/4ZQhcYzbE04=; b=J4vgnebQpQZTXSw/C8eClP/h55ldtOS5EudgLhpcvJzYxaUNgrvaVT3oKJvWnSK4pk 4BAv01sZQb98XP4/K3SGOhjRscyD5/f9cQhCtD4PgNwGumeWCAPFJZN+pKEsFae+ZSYE mfUvXL5ri/MdlLShWdz6YqqaImrEmfQWg9d5iXi6f+5sHjGfljBfknGhjRqEPLr6AqtO 5SmT7mxazsIISk3/8+uhubl7ZbETJTMqmOBwccsQRM9lMRhblKLCgGN9wFMr40T1XVWr 3xk4UYdSPCGsvuBueSrrDiyjGihRwREOwDqUnk8DtrmGBK62TDiZuTSagSspQyZdIiYy NKoA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5334wkcQeHpTdGJMCVLX4Ybn5Js/S6PleW0KjqUpi1PEFfik2+JY wxykbOo3W27OBYkW1lc6CDUXu2F3PII55WtypxLxSA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz5EPVpyeHI0y/OvPT0jj96tKe1e+tp3qk7ALUmfUupQ0aW0M7HE4Mj0xNWIGYU1uX1OSEKbWcOwgUAF3evPgw= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b619:: with SMTP id r25mr2061572ljn.220.1596647731735; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 10:15:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Andy Bierman Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 10:15:20 -0700 Message-ID: To: tom petch Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e1d3e205ac24848d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 17:15:35 -0000 --000000000000e1d3e205ac24848d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 9:20 AM tom petch wrote: > Looking at an I-D with endless submodules, I am left thinking > > Costs > > greater in size > more complex to understand > harder to review > more likely to have undetected errors > > How about "confusion due to false sense of modularity"? People often think submodules work like modules (but they don't). There think a submodule should "compile" when validated on its own (that used to be true in YANG 1.0 but not in YANG 1.1). They think mix-and-match include submodule revisions can be selected by the server vendor just like importing modules (but that does not work). > Benefits > > > > What am I missing? I have only ever seen one such module in the IETF that > I can recall and it is draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model and AFAICT it would be > smaller, simpler, easier to understand if it were done with grouping > instead of submodule. > > Tom Petch > > Andy > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --000000000000e1d3e205ac24848d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 9:20 AM tom pe= tch <ietfc@btconnect.com> = wrote:
Looking a= t an I-D with endless submodules, I am left thinking

Costs

greater in size
more complex to understand
harder to review
more likely to have undetected errors


How about "confusion due to false= sense of modularity"?
People often think submodules work li= ke modules (but they don't).
There think a submodule should &= quot;compile" when validated on its own
(that used to be tru= e in YANG 1.0 but not in YANG 1.1).=C2=A0 They think mix-and-match
include submodule revisions can be selected by the server vendor just lik= e importing
modules (but that does not work).=C2=A0

=C2=A0
Benefits



What am I missing?=C2=A0 I have only ever seen one such module in the IETF = that I can recall and it is draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model and AFAICT it would be= smaller, simpler, easier to understand if it were done with grouping inste= ad of submodule.

Tom Petch


Andy
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([2601:647:5600:5020:b151:60fa:540:114f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z3sm3734161pgk.49.2020.08.05.15.43.07 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Aug 2020 15:43:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_57F2255E-7F70-41AC-8F2A-C60E9161446A" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.6\)) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 15:43:06 -0700 References: <20200805164820.rv35b74xhc4v7qrx@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <6125f3e3-0caf-ed25-92b7-bdb644c54d08@lightside-instruments.com> <9F39EC3C-CCEB-4079-BF83-D9C163773757@cisco.com> To: "netmod@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <9F39EC3C-CCEB-4079-BF83-D9C163773757@cisco.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.6) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 22:43:12 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_57F2255E-7F70-41AC-8F2A-C60E9161446A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 A contrarian view: I find the use of sub-modules helpful when I want to use separate files = to maintain part of the module that is logically separate, while = maintaining/restricting the use of them to a single namespace. The fact that tools have a problem with trying to compile a sub-module = can be addressed in the tools themselves. > On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Reshad Rahman (rrahman) = wrote: >=20 > Indeed > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/26 >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 2020-08-05, 5:22 PM, "netmod on behalf of Vladimir = Vassilev" wrote: >=20 > On 05/08/2020 18.48, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >=20 >> I personally meanwhile believe that sub-modules add complexity with >> little extra value but this view surely is not shared by others. >=20 > +1. IMO removing sub-modules from YANG 2.0 should be on the list of=20= > proposed changes. >=20 > /Vladimir >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_57F2255E-7F70-41AC-8F2A-C60E9161446A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 A = contrarian view:

I find the use of sub-modules helpful when I want to use = separate files to maintain part of the module that is logically = separate, while maintaining/restricting the use of them to a single = namespace.

The fact that tools have a problem with trying = to compile a sub-module can be addressed in the tools = themselves.

On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Reshad Rahman = (rrahman) <rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Indeed
https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/26

=EF=BB=BFOn 2020-08-05, 5:22 PM, "netmod on = behalf of Vladimir Vassilev" <netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of = vladimir@lightside-instruments.com> wrote:

   On 05/08/2020 18.48, Juergen Schoenwaelder = wrote:

I= personally meanwhile believe that sub-modules add complexity with
little extra value but this view surely is not shared by = others.

   +1. = IMO removing sub-modules from YANG 2.0 should be on the list of
   proposed changes.

   /Vladimir

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= --Apple-Mail=_57F2255E-7F70-41AC-8F2A-C60E9161446A-- From nobody Thu Aug 6 02:00:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DD03A105B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 02:00:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MNXABnZTFIt5 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 02:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0E13A1059 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 02:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.117] (213-67-237-150-no99.tbcn.telia.com [213.67.237.150]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 430F61B0F24B; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 11:00:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Jan Lindblad Message-Id: <53B475D1-5E9E-4A05-A4D5-D7D4254065A5@tail-f.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_16C14EF2-A708-4A71-B240-90BCE62DDEB7" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 11:00:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" To: Mahesh Jethanandani References: <20200805164820.rv35b74xhc4v7qrx@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <6125f3e3-0caf-ed25-92b7-bdb644c54d08@lightside-instruments.com> <9F39EC3C-CCEB-4079-BF83-D9C163773757@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 09:00:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_16C14EF2-A708-4A71-B240-90BCE62DDEB7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I have to agree with the long list of "Costs" of submodules listed in = this thread, and can attest to the brevity of the "Benefits" side. The = globally accumulated amount of gray hairs produced by the YANG 1.0 = submodule rules is best measured in cubic meters.=20 The YANG 1.1 rules are much more in line with industry expectation in my = experience, but the fact that the rules differ greatly between the two = YANG versions with unchanged syntax and that many tools still do not = properly support the YANG 1.1 submodule inclusion rules to this date = (despite otherwise boasting YANG 1.1 support for long) is additional = salt in a sore world. One central point that has been missed in the discussion on the merits = of modules vs. submodules is the implications this choice has on module = versioning. Since versioning happens on the module/namespace level, = there is a major difference between releasing 10 modules which are = versioned independently, or one module with 10 submodules, which would = have a single module version. If this point goes on the "Costs" or = "Benefits" side in the book keeping, I'll leave open to interpretation. /jan > On 6 Aug 2020, at 00:43, Mahesh Jethanandani = wrote: >=20 > A contrarian view: >=20 > I find the use of sub-modules helpful when I want to use separate = files to maintain part of the module that is logically separate, while = maintaining/restricting the use of them to a single namespace. >=20 > The fact that tools have a problem with trying to compile a sub-module = can be addressed in the tools themselves. >=20 >> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Reshad Rahman (rrahman) = > wrote: >>=20 >> Indeed >> https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/26 = >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFOn 2020-08-05, 5:22 PM, "netmod on behalf of Vladimir = Vassilev" wrote: >>=20 >> On 05/08/2020 18.48, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >>=20 >>> I personally meanwhile believe that sub-modules add complexity with >>> little extra value but this view surely is not shared by others. >>=20 >> +1. IMO removing sub-modules from YANG 2.0 should be on the list = of=20 >> proposed changes. >>=20 >> /Vladimir >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_16C14EF2-A708-4A71-B240-90BCE62DDEB7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I have to agree with the long list of "Costs" of submodules = listed in this thread, and can attest to the brevity of the "Benefits" = side. The globally accumulated amount of gray hairs produced by the YANG = 1.0 submodule rules is best measured in cubic meters. 

The YANG 1.1 rules are = much more in line with industry expectation in my experience, but the = fact that the rules differ greatly between the two YANG versions with = unchanged syntax and that many tools still do not properly support the = YANG 1.1 submodule inclusion rules to this date (despite otherwise = boasting YANG 1.1 support for long) is additional salt in a sore = world.

One = central point that has been missed in the discussion on the merits of = modules vs. submodules is the implications this choice has on module = versioning. Since versioning happens on the module/namespace level, = there is a major difference between releasing 10 modules which are = versioned independently, or one module with 10 submodules, which would = have a single module version. If this point goes on the "Costs" or = "Benefits" side in the book keeping, I'll leave open to = interpretation.

/jan


On 6 Aug 2020, at 00:43, Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com> wrote:

A contrarian view:

I find the = use of sub-modules helpful when I want to use separate files to maintain = part of the module that is logically separate, while = maintaining/restricting the use of them to a single namespace.

The fact that tools have a problem with trying to compile a = sub-module can be addressed in the tools themselves.

On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Reshad Rahman (rrahman) <rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Indeed
https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/26

=EF=BB=BFOn 2020-08-05, 5:22 PM, "netmod on = behalf of Vladimir Vassilev" <netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of vladimir@lightside-instruments.com> wrote:

   On 05/08/2020 18.48, = Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:

I personally meanwhile believe that sub-modules = add complexity with
little extra value but this view = surely is not shared by others.

=    +1. IMO removing sub-modules from YANG 2.0 should be = on the list of
   proposed changes.

   /Vladimir

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=    netmod@ietf.org
   https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod

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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: c0326317-f373-4461-a96f-7946e0abb603 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-MailboxType: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-UserPrincipalName: xsqTHN4H8Adnj0abYpLJs1VxTexZSPtVRhvt2ilibWnYfZt4KPam5bnEKXU125QDZIP+StImB8Jvfz48qtvjVSzU/9mXiCPLkWawuhgBrAbwgUlphNNtxA96K+SicHDu X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM0PR08MB3970 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:15:22 -0000 On 06/08/2020 00.43, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: > A contrarian view: > > I find the use of sub-modules helpful when I want to use separate > files to maintain part of the module that is logically separate, while > maintaining/restricting the use of them to a single namespace. > > The fact that tools have a 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The real problem is that the use of sub-modules complicates the interface between the tools. If your tools have to support dynamic loading of modules and not only a pre-compiled static schema context this problem becomes evident. /Vladimir From nobody Thu Aug 6 08:10:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124BD3A0B64 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 06:32:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fFeu7zTReh5S for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 06:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40E8B3A0B5D for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 06:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 95FD6F4071F; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 06:32:25 -0700 (PDT) To: andy@yumaworks.com, mbj@tail-f.com, warren@kumari.net, rwilton@cisco.com, joelja@bogus.com, kent+ietf@watsen.net, lberger@labn.net X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: maurizio.brigandi@sm-optics.com, netmod@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20200729133225.95FD6F4071F@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 06:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 08:10:53 -0700 Subject: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7317 (6245) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:33:05 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7317, "A YANG Data Model for System Management". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6245 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Maurizio Brigandi' Section: 6 Original Text ------------- leaf-list user-authentication-order { type identityref { base authentication-method; } must '(. != "sys:radius" or ../../radius/server)' Corrected Text -------------- leaf-list user-authentication-order { type identityref { base authentication-method; } must '(not(. = "sys:radius") or ../../radius/server)' Notes ----- As indicated in https://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-xpath-19991116/#booleans the following expression comparing a node-set with a string . != "sys:radius" is true if at least one node in the node-set satisfies the boolean expression. This is not the intention of the "must" condition. It is necessary to use not(. = "sys:radius") to achieve the right intention of the check. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC7317 (draft-ietf-netmod-system-mgmt-16) -------------------------------------- Title : A YANG Data Model for System Management Publication Date : August 2014 Author(s) : A. Bierman, M. 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But the question is if this can be fixed by an RFC errata... /martin RFC Errata System wrote: > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7317, > "A YANG Data Model for System Management". > > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6245 > > -------------------------------------- > Type: Technical > Reported by: Maurizio Brigandi' > > Section: 6 > > Original Text > ------------- > > leaf-list user-authentication-order { > type identityref { > base authentication-method; > } > must '(. != "sys:radius" or ../../radius/server)' > > > > Corrected Text > -------------- > > leaf-list user-authentication-order { > type identityref { > base authentication-method; > } > must '(not(. = "sys:radius") or ../../radius/server)' > > > Notes > ----- > As indicated in https://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-xpath-19991116/#booleans > > the following expression comparing a node-set with a string > > . != "sys:radius" > > is true if at least one node in the node-set satisfies the boolean expression. > > This is not the intention of the "must" condition. > > It is necessary to use not(. = "sys:radius") to achieve the right intention of the check. > > Instructions: > ------------- > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > -------------------------------------- > RFC7317 (draft-ietf-netmod-system-mgmt-16) > -------------------------------------- > Title : A YANG Data Model for System Management > Publication Date : August 2014 > Author(s) : A. Bierman, M. Bjorklund > Category : PROPOSED STANDARD > Source : Network Modeling > Area : Operations and Management > Stream : IETF > Verifying Party : IESG > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Fri Aug 7 14:40:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB4F3A0B7D for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 14:40:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) 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quoted-printable From: netmod on behalf of Italo Busi =0A= Sent: 04 August 2020 08:49=0A= =0A= We have found some issues with RPC XPaths when developing the YANG code for= https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-path-computation=0A= =0A= As discussed during the TEAS WG session in IETF 108, this issue has been ra= ised on pyang github: https://github.com/mbj4668/pyang/issues/662=0A= =0A= It was also suggested to check with Netmod WG what should be the correct be= havior according to RFC7950.=0A= =0A= =0A= Italo=0A= =0A= While waiting for those with greater understanding than I to come up with t= he answer about whether or not 'input' should or should not be present in t= he XPath, I had another look at RFC7950 and decided that I could argue it e= ither way; it comes down to schema tree versus data tree, both of which fig= ure in the definition of leafref, but this is just my speculation,=0A= =0A= Tom Petch.=0A= =0A= The following code is accepted by pyang 1.75 but not by pyang 2.1:=0A= =0A= type leafref {=0A= path "/te:tunnels-path-compute/te:input/"=0A= + "te:path-compute-info/"=0A= + "te-pc:tunnel-attributes/te-pc:tunnel-name";=0A= }=0A= =0A= The following code instead is accepted by pyang 2.1 but not by pyang 1.7.5:= =0A= =0A= type leafref {=0A= path "/te:tunnels-path-compute/"=0A= + "te:path-compute-info/"=0A= + "te-pc:tunnel-attributes/te-pc:tunnel-name";=0A= }=0A= =0A= Moreover the following when statement, which is quite useful to constraint = which information is provided by the RPC output based on some attributes in= the RPC input, is accepted by pyang 1.7.5 but not accepted by pyang 2.1;= =0A= =0A= augment "/te:tunnels-actions/te:output" {=0A= description=0A= "Augment Tunnels Action RPC input with path delete result";=0A= =0A= container path-computed-delete-result {=0A= when "derived-from-or-self(../../te:input/te:action-info/"=0A= + "te:action, 'tunnel-action-path-compute-delete')";=0A= description "Path Delete RPC output";=0A= leaf-list path-compute-transaction-id {=0A= type string;=0A= description=0A= "The list of the transaction-id values of the=0A= transient states that have been successfully deleted";=0A= }=0A= } // container path-computed-delete-result=0A= } // path-delete rpc output=0A= =0A= =0A= Could you please help us to understand what is the correct behavior?=0A= =0A= In case the correct behavior is the one of pyang 2.1, our understanding is = that it would not be possible to provide in YANG when constraints for the d= ata nodes in the RPC output depending on specific values of the data nodes = used in the RPC input. 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mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1207B30600A3; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 05:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20200810.112423.1011687310446809904.id@4668.se> To: Italo.Busi@huawei.com Cc: netmod@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rklund?= In-Reply-To: <9c365f0d89ae4f9c9054eed5c4730d59@huawei.com> References: <9c365f0d89ae4f9c9054eed5c4730d59@huawei.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 26.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Issue with path statements in RPC X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:24:31 -0000 Italo Busi wrote: > We have found some issues with RPC XPaths when developing the YANG > code for > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-path-computation > = > As discussed during the TEAS WG session in IETF 108, this issue has > been raised on pyang github: > https://github.com/mbj4668/pyang/issues/662 > = > It was also suggested to check with Netmod WG what should be the > correct behavior according to RFC7950. > = > The following code is accepted by pyang 1.75 but not by pyang 2.1: > = > type leafref { > path "/te:tunnels-path-compute/te:input/" > + "te:path-compute-info/" > + "te-pc:tunnel-attributes/te-pc:tunnel-name"; > } > = > The following code instead is accepted by pyang 2.1 but not by pyang > 1.7.5: > = > type leafref { > path "/te:tunnels-path-compute/" > + "te:path-compute-info/" > + "te-pc:tunnel-attributes/te-pc:tunnel-name"; > } The leafref path is an XPath expression, which operates on the data tree (instance data). The "input" node is not present in the instance data / data tree. See section 6.4.1 of RFC 7950. So the latter path (as verfied by pyang 2.1) is correct. > Moreover the following when statement, which is quite useful to > constraint which information is provided by the RPC output based on > some attributes in the RPC input, is accepted by pyang 1.7.5 but not > accepted by pyang 2.1; > = > augment "/te:tunnels-actions/te:output" { > description > "Augment Tunnels Action RPC input with path delete result"; > = > container path-computed-delete-result { > when "derived-from-or-self(../../te:input/te:action-info/" > + "te:action, 'tunnel-action-path-compute-delete')"; > description "Path Delete RPC output"; > leaf-list path-compute-transaction-id { > type string; > description > "The list of the transaction-id values of the > transient states that have been successfully deleted"; > } > } // container path-computed-delete-result > } // path-delete rpc output > = > = > Could you please help us to understand what is the correct behavior? > = > In case the correct behavior is the one of pyang 2.1, our > understanding is that it would not be possible to provide in YANG whe= n > constraints for the data nodes in the RPC output depending on specifi= c > values of the data nodes used in the RPC input. Therefore these > constraints should be specified as behavior and implemented in the > back-end. > = > Is our understanding correct? Yes, this is correct. 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The "input" node is not present in the instance=0A= data / data tree. See section 6.4.1 of RFC 7950.=0A= =0A= So the latter path (as verfied by pyang 2.1) is correct.=0A= =0A= =0A= Martin,=0A= =0A= Thank you for the clarifications. Just looking at the first issue, what ga= ve me pause was section 9.9; the path statement is used to identify the ref= erred leaf in the schema tree and 'input' is in the schema tree. But I can= see that 6.4.1 overrides that implication.=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= > Moreover the following when statement, which is quite useful to=0A= > constraint which information is provided by the RPC output based on=0A= > some attributes in the RPC input, is accepted by pyang 1.7.5 but not=0A= > accepted by pyang 2.1;=0A= >=0A= > augment "/te:tunnels-actions/te:output" {=0A= > description=0A= > "Augment Tunnels Action RPC input with path delete result";=0A= >=0A= > container path-computed-delete-result {=0A= > when "derived-from-or-self(../../te:input/te:action-info/"=0A= > + "te:action, 'tunnel-action-path-compute-delete')";=0A= > description "Path Delete RPC output";=0A= > leaf-list path-compute-transaction-id {=0A= > type string;=0A= > description=0A= > "The list of the transaction-id values of the=0A= > transient states that have been successfully deleted";=0A= > }=0A= > } // container path-computed-delete-result=0A= > } // path-delete rpc output=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > Could you please help us to understand what is the correct behavior?=0A= >=0A= > In case the correct behavior is the one of pyang 2.1, our=0A= > understanding is that it would not be possible to provide in YANG when=0A= > constraints for the data nodes in the RPC output depending on specific=0A= > values of the data nodes used in the RPC input. Therefore these=0A= > constraints should be specified as behavior and implemented in the=0A= > back-end.=0A= >=0A= > Is our understanding correct?=0A= =0A= Yes, this is correct. 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Mon, 10 Aug 2020 05:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:43:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20200810.114324.1967866904848316834.id@4668.se> To: ietfc@btconnect.com Cc: Italo.Busi@huawei.com, teas@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rklund?= In-Reply-To: References: <9c365f0d89ae4f9c9054eed5c4730d59@huawei.com> <20200810.112423.1011687310446809904.id@4668.se> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 26.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Issue with path statements in RPC X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:43:30 -0000 tom petch wrote: > From: netmod on behalf of Martin Bj=F6rklun= d > Sent: 10 August 2020 10:24 > = > Italo Busi wrote: > > We have found some issues with RPC XPaths when developing the YANG > > code for > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-path-computation > > > > As discussed during the TEAS WG session in IETF 108, this issue has= > > been raised on pyang github: > > https://github.com/mbj4668/pyang/issues/662 > > > > It was also suggested to check with Netmod WG what should be the > > correct behavior according to RFC7950. > > > > The following code is accepted by pyang 1.75 but not by pyang 2.1: > > > > type leafref { > > path "/te:tunnels-path-compute/te:input/" > > + "te:path-compute-info/" > > + "te-pc:tunnel-attributes/te-pc:tunnel-name"; > > } > > > > The following code instead is accepted by pyang 2.1 but not by pyan= g > > 1.7.5: > > > > type leafref { > > path "/te:tunnels-path-compute/" > > + "te:path-compute-info/" > > + "te-pc:tunnel-attributes/te-pc:tunnel-name"; > > } > = > The leafref path is an XPath expression, which operates on the data > tree (instance data). The "input" node is not present in the instanc= e > data / data tree. See section 6.4.1 of RFC 7950. > = > So the latter path (as verfied by pyang 2.1) is correct. > = > > Martin, > = > Thank you for the clarifications. Just looking at the first issue, w= hat gave me pause was section 9.9; the path statement is used to identi= fy the referred leaf in the schema tree and 'input' is in the schema tr= ee. But I can see that 6.4.1 overrides that implication. Hmm, yes that text can certainly be improved. 9.9.2 however refers to 6.4.1. /martin > = > Tom Petch > = > = > = > > Moreover the following when statement, which is quite useful to > > constraint which information is provided by the RPC output based on= > > some attributes in the RPC input, is accepted by pyang 1.7.5 but no= t > > accepted by pyang 2.1; > > > > augment "/te:tunnels-actions/te:output" { > > description > > "Augment Tunnels Action RPC input with path delete result"; > > > > container path-computed-delete-result { > > when "derived-from-or-self(../../te:input/te:action-info/" > > + "te:action, 'tunnel-action-path-compute-delete')"; > > description "Path Delete RPC output"; > > leaf-list path-compute-transaction-id { > > type string; > > description > > "The list of the transaction-id values of the > > transient states that have been successfully deleted"; > > } > > } // container path-computed-delete-result > > } // path-delete rpc output > > > > > > Could you please help us to understand what is the correct behavior= ? > > > > In case the correct behavior is the one of pyang 2.1, our > > understanding is that it would not be possible to provide in YANG w= hen > > constraints for the data nodes in the RPC output depending on speci= fic > > values of the data nodes used in the RPC input. Therefore these > > constraints should be specified as behavior and implemented in the > > back-end. > > > > Is our understanding correct? > = > Yes, this is correct. It is not possible to refer to the > corresponding "input" instance data in the XPath expressions for the > "output". > = > = > /martin > = > = > > > > Thanks for your help > > > > Sergio and Italo (on behalf of co-authors/contributors) > > > > Italo Busi > > Principal Optical Transport Network Research Engineer > > > > [cid:image001.jpg@01D5AC11.9575BB40] > > ___________________________________________________________________= _ > > > > Huawei Technologies Italia S.r.l. > > Address: Centro Direzionale Milano 2, Palazzo Verrocchio, 20090 > > Segrate (MI) > > Tel: +39 345 4721946 - Mobile: > > Italo.busi@huawei.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________= _______________ > > Huawei Technologies Italia S.r.l. is a company registered in Italy = at > > the Company Registration Office of Milan, with registered number > > 04501190963 and equity capital =A43,000,000 fully paid up, whose > > registered office is in Milan, Via Lorenteggio 240, Tower A, 20147 > > Milan, Italy. 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This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Self Explanation Data Object Tags Authors : Qin Wu Benoit Claise Liang Geng Zongpeng Du Filename : draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt Pages : 40 Date : 2020-08-10 Abstract: This document defines a method to tag data objects associated with operation and management data in YANG Modules. This YANG data object tagging method can be used to identify characteristics data and correlate data objects from different data sources and provide input, instruction, indication to selection filter and filter queries of operational state on a server during a "pub/sub" service for YANG datastore updates. When the state of all subscriptions of a particular Subscriber to be fetched is huge, the amount of data to be streamed out to the destination can be greatly reduced and only targeted to the characteristics data. An extension statement to be used to indicate YANG data node self explanation tags that SHOULD be added by the module implementation automatically (i.e., outside of configuration). A YANG module [RFC7950] is defined, which augments Module tag model and provides a list of data node entries to allow for adding or removing of data node self explanation tags as well as viewing the set of self explanation tags associated with a YANG module. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20200807154534.98486F4074B@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 08:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:17:53 -0700 Subject: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8349 (6251) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2020 15:45:47 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8349, "A YANG Data Model for Routing Management (NMDA Version)". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6251 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Tarek Saad Section: 7 Original Text ------------- The RPC "active-route" is used to retrieve the active route in a RIB. RFC8349 defined two AFIs (v4/v6). draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang is defining a new RIB AFI for MPLS as per section 3 in RFC8349. The RPC has a "MUST" statement that all RIBs must augment input parameters with a leaf named 'destination-address'. For MPLS RIB, it makes sense to augment with leaf named 'local-label' since MPLS routes are identified by MPLS label. We ask to make the following change: OLD: action active-route { description "Return the active RIB route that is used for the destination address. Address-family-specific modules MUST augment input parameters with a leaf named 'destination-address'."; Corrected Text -------------- NEW: action active-route { description "Return the active RIB route that is used for the destination address. Address-family-specific modules MUST augment input parameters with a suitable leaf that identifies the route."; Notes ----- Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC8349 (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-11) -------------------------------------- Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Management (NMDA Version) Publication Date : March 2018 Author(s) : L. Lhotka, A. Lindem, Y. 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My impression is that this is a technically reasonable change, but I don't = think that an erratum can create a new revision of a YANG module. If this erratum was processed as "Hold for document update" then would that= be sufficient to do the right thing in the MPLS YANG module? Regards, Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: tom petch > Sent: 10 August 2020 17:32 > To: RFC Errata System ; lhotka@nic.cz; Acee > Lindem (acee) ; yingzhen.qu@huawei.com; warren@kumari.net= ; > Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; joelja@bogus.com; > kent+ietf@watsen.net; lberger@labn.net > Cc: tsaad@juniper.net; netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8349 (6251) >=20 > From: netmod on behalf of RFC Errata System > > Sent: 07 August 2020 16:45 >=20 > > This is the erratum of whose arrival I speculated on this list on June > 16th. >=20 > There is a degree of urgency about it. The I-D in question is mpls-base- > yang, currently in IETF Last Call, which is a Normative dependency of bfd= - > yang which is a Normative dependency for a small mountain of I-D which > have been waiting a year or so (e.g. ospf-yang). >=20 > I suspect that the technically perfect solution would involve a YANG > union, choice or some such structure but as I said in my Last Call commen= t > I can live with a label that contains such as 'address' encompassing such > as 'label' in the context of forwarding. I take labels to mean what > labels mean rather than what I might find in a work of reference. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8349, > "A YANG Data Model for Routing Management (NMDA Version)". >=20 > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6251 >=20 > -------------------------------------- > Type: Technical > Reported by: Tarek Saad >=20 > Section: 7 >=20 > Original Text > ------------- > The RPC "active-route" is used to retrieve the active route in a RIB. > RFC8349 defined two AFIs (v4/v6). >=20 > draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang is defining a new RIB AFI for MPLS as per > section 3 in RFC8349. >=20 > The RPC has a "MUST" statement that all RIBs must augment input > parameters with a leaf named 'destination-address'. >=20 > For MPLS RIB, it makes sense to augment with leaf named 'local-label' > since MPLS routes are identified by MPLS label. >=20 > We ask to make the following change: >=20 > OLD: > action active-route { > description > "Return the active RIB route that is used for the > destination address. >=20 > Address-family-specific modules MUST augment input > parameters with a leaf named 'destination-address'."; >=20 >=20 > Corrected Text > -------------- > NEW: > action active-route { > description > "Return the active RIB route that is used for the > destination address. >=20 > Address-family-specific modules MUST augment input > parameters with a suitable leaf that identifies the > route."; >=20 >=20 > Notes > ----- >=20 >=20 > Instructions: > ------------- > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. >=20 > -------------------------------------- > RFC8349 (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-11) > -------------------------------------- > Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Management (NMDA > Version) > Publication Date : March 2018 > Author(s) : L. Lhotka, A. Lindem, Y. 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7E546200E4; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 22:56:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 22:56:38 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" Cc: tom petch , Mahesh Jethanandani , "netmod@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20200810205638.ltwgumpuwohfz5vg@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" , tom petch , Mahesh Jethanandani , "netmod@ietf.org" References: <20200805164820.rv35b74xhc4v7qrx@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <6125f3e3-0caf-ed25-92b7-bdb644c54d08@lightside-instruments.com> <9F39EC3C-CCEB-4079-BF83-D9C163773757@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 20:56:45 -0000 There are generic preprocessors such as good old cpp or m4 that can do wonderful things if there is a need to split large (YANG module) files into smaller pieces. The question here is what the added benefit is to build sub-modules into YANG itself. The argument I have heard is that this allows separate compilation of the sub-modules but even then I am not sure how well this works in practice and whether it is worth to save some CPU or IO time on developer machines. Perhaps someone can post concrete numbers that show the savings that can be obtained... /js On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 08:08:02PM +0000, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottaw= a) wrote: > Thanks Tom. >=20 > Versioning in current YANG specs and in the new versioning work has ind= ependent versioning available for modules and for sub-modules. The module= version will always bump when something changes in a submodule, but each= submodule has its own revision. So it can help consumers quickly see whi= ch parts of a large schema have and haven't changed. >=20 > I agree that certain ways of dividing up modules, using groupings, etc = can help or hinder readability. But I think that is orthogonal to submodu= les. YANG authors can make good or bad (*) readability decisions in a sch= ema with submodules or a schema without submodules. If a schema is divid= ed up at the top level of a tree into submodules, then that is just as re= adable IMO as a large data model being divided up the same way into indiv= idual modules. i.e. you can have your bgp module, your interfaces module= , etc OR you can have your bgp submodule, your interfaces submodule, etc. >=20 > (*) good vs bad is often pretty subjective and there are sometimes trad= eoffs amongst readability, consistency, maintainability, etc. But again t= hat is all orthogonal to submodules vs modules IMO. >=20 > Rgds, > Jason >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tom petch > > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 5:23 AM > > To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; Mahes= h > > Jethanandani ; netmod@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits > >=20 > > From: netmod on behalf of Sterne, Jason (No= kia - > > CA/Ottawa) > > Sent: 07 August 2020 22:40 > >=20 > > I agree submodules can cause confusion, but I also agree with Mahesh = that > > they can be useful to partition things for people using the modules. = Especially > > for huge models (e.g. router vendor models). You can jump right to a > > subsection of the data (a bit like a document with chapters rather th= an one > > huge chapter). > >=20 > > It can also be useful for consumers of the models for versioning (whe= n you > > want to avoid multiple namespaces). If a model is made up of 30 sub-m= odules, > > it might be useful to know that the "bgp" part changed while the othe= r parts of > > the model didn't. > >=20 > > > >=20 > > Jason, > >=20 > > Jan commented earlier that versioning happens at the module/namespace= level > > in which case it would seem to me that all submodules will by definit= ion have > > the same version so you cannot tell which submodules have changed,, > >=20 > > I think too that there is a fallacy in the belief that dividing up so= mething large > > makes it easier to use, understand etc. Divide up code by procedure, > > subroutine etc and if you can provide a parameter or two input, and o= ne or two > > results output, and all the complexity of data structures, validation= , algorithms > > etc and hidden out of sight, then you have simplified. But DDL is n= ot like that. > > With a grouping or submodule, you need to know the internals, of what= objects > > there are, how they are structured, what semantics they have, pretty = much > > everything inside; it is just harder to find, to reference, to access= because it has > > been wrapped up in something that gets in the way and tucked out of s= ight in > > some part of the I-D, > > Rather simplification comes from having the right structure in the mo= del, which > > some WG are good at, > >=20 > > Tom Petch > >=20 > > Jason > >=20 > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Mahesh Jethananda= ni > > Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:43 PM > > To: netmod@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits > >=20 > > A contrarian view: > >=20 > > I find the use of sub-modules helpful when I want to use separate fil= es to > > maintain part of the module that is logically separate, while > > maintaining/restricting the use of them to a single namespace. > > The fact that tools have a problem with trying to compile a sub-modul= e can be > > addressed in the tools themselves. > >=20 > >=20 > > On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Reshad Rahman (rrahman) > > > etf.org>> wrote: > >=20 > > Indeed > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/26 > >=20 > > =EF=BB=BFOn 2020-08-05, 5:22 PM, "netmod on behalf of Vladimir Vassil= ev" > bounces@ietf.org on behalf of vladimir@lightside- > > instruments.com > bounces@ietf.org%20on%20behalf%20of%20vladimir@lightside- > > instruments.com>> wrote: > >=20 > > On 05/08/2020 18.48, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > I personally meanwhile believe that sub-modules add complexity with > > little extra value but this view surely is not shared by others. > >=20 > > +1. IMO removing sub-modules from YANG 2.0 should be on the list o= f > > proposed changes. > >=20 > > /Vladimir > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Aug 10 14:20:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBF63A0D99 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:20:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.887 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mbLbmfmhuo6v for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-x130.google.com (mail-lf1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F69D3A0D57 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x130.google.com with SMTP id c15so5507764lfi.3 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:19:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GudgLVky5B6sDR/ZOu54rxHw8UbRvOahqSs+S0C0j4U=; b=osTsAeL5KQ+hkTJiu8KM7kvKvuVFFqJV1JKjY1SqCsTvCKYyTIrz2W5kkYXwomEhxm /HkekDHU2EuzhgHptK4pEvLA+eAcbyE+mcrRN/KMeasY9U5E+j64m0rk7RdJ9KdtxE9c l4hPKv5nWBiVvpnuGzKHQ1u3Q7bGCMGISpRvQtHgExwJoxpyMo082QiZz1YsnCBEUXDQ WSHe8Cp6NG0DPAl5XVezMbknzRlYC+7yR2CbkR/aLyE7z4y60TvpeUSwRfd6/KAGuB7H vzeMZ9ejzkt7hQRzfMItl2MzvcU13cgeCeUfHuNgvngyJ96rnCNiYp8bHdpegFBRCIuJ sxjQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=GudgLVky5B6sDR/ZOu54rxHw8UbRvOahqSs+S0C0j4U=; b=iaTFIT6uAP2zCiF+pxcJbhlqbOUfGzMacKM7wtfQxKupT3mVr26aVGqi9E3QnwCYFj aGKLTLGTOxv458ZDrGkf/8ihJh9ti71z0Rl3atxnmw6N5Ivf5sKGZiCvTq6x7ZRdil+t Jfj5/b9QlTFicm+AbJ67ja49sQ0kxTwXdbsHYvttiyeu3qdMHAuUwSbe+B4e35K4S73x 11CGyucEGLiDxlaXGEXEJzqqoPZ7l6CijBEduaFXFGsK2lGpzX10Lb1kiDzxO1wnDX0u e4Za11Zoebx/8bNx7qP9NqphncpRPR5OG2VxtuBpuQkJFxBEj3CIhPAimkDhenqhvcqb D9xg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533xJd1U+5GUsvqnGfYAo2lFRinXIOM0ZYpjjir70P07rUk/5vLF T89Z5bOXEfERdF9acW1/JdEaEZb1xKEe6wAIEMfUvQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxH/HqS+G5GBqm+yKu4jMDCitUXmM9vfKrQrri07ZDctemW3mR08ksVVJAWQCkw40evRQWJFL2ViDHTtKwMYus= X-Received: by 2002:a19:3f87:: with SMTP id m129mr1467533lfa.44.1597094397138; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:19:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200805164820.rv35b74xhc4v7qrx@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <6125f3e3-0caf-ed25-92b7-bdb644c54d08@lightside-instruments.com> <9F39EC3C-CCEB-4079-BF83-D9C163773757@cisco.com> <20200810205638.ltwgumpuwohfz5vg@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> In-Reply-To: <20200810205638.ltwgumpuwohfz5vg@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> From: Andy Bierman Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:19:45 -0700 Message-ID: To: Juergen Schoenwaelder , "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" , tom petch , Mahesh Jethanandani , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000036f2d405ac8c84b0" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 21:20:02 -0000 --00000000000036f2d405ac8c84b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:56 PM Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > There are generic preprocessors such as good old cpp or m4 that can do > wonderful things if there is a need to split large (YANG module) files > into smaller pieces. The question here is what the added benefit is to > build sub-modules into YANG itself. The argument I have heard is that > this allows separate compilation of the sub-modules but even then I am > not sure how well this works in practice and whether it is worth to > save some CPU or IO time on developer machines. Perhaps someone can > post concrete numbers that show the savings that can be obtained... > > It is not possible in YANG 1.1 to compile a single submodule. YANG allows the use of identifiers from other submodules without any include-stmts. It is not possible to compile (or read) a single submodule without the main module and all the correct revisions of the other submodules. In this way submodules make readability much worse than imported modules. > /js > Andy > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 08:08:02PM +0000, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - > CA/Ottawa) wrote: > > Thanks Tom. > > > > Versioning in current YANG specs and in the new versioning work has > independent versioning available for modules and for sub-modules. The > module version will always bump when something changes in a submodule, bu= t > each submodule has its own revision. So it can help consumers quickly see > which parts of a large schema have and haven't changed. > > > > I agree that certain ways of dividing up modules, using groupings, etc > can help or hinder readability. But I think that is orthogonal to > submodules. YANG authors can make good or bad (*) readability decisions i= n > a schema with submodules or a schema without submodules. If a schema is > divided up at the top level of a tree into submodules, then that is just = as > readable IMO as a large data model being divided up the same way into > individual modules. i.e. you can have your bgp module, your interfaces > module, etc OR you can have your bgp submodule, your interfaces submodule= , > etc. > > > > (*) good vs bad is often pretty subjective and there are sometimes > tradeoffs amongst readability, consistency, maintainability, etc. But aga= in > that is all orthogonal to submodules vs modules IMO. > > > > Rgds, > > Jason > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tom petch > > > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 5:23 AM > > > To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; Mahes= h > > > Jethanandani ; netmod@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits > > > > > > From: netmod on behalf of Sterne, Jason > (Nokia - > > > CA/Ottawa) > > > Sent: 07 August 2020 22:40 > > > > > > I agree submodules can cause confusion, but I also agree with Mahesh > that > > > they can be useful to partition things for people using the modules. > Especially > > > for huge models (e.g. router vendor models). You can jump right to a > > > subsection of the data (a bit like a document with chapters rather > than one > > > huge chapter). > > > > > > It can also be useful for consumers of the models for versioning (whe= n > you > > > want to avoid multiple namespaces). If a model is made up of 30 > sub-modules, > > > it might be useful to know that the "bgp" part changed while the othe= r > parts of > > > the model didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason, > > > > > > Jan commented earlier that versioning happens at the module/namespace > level > > > in which case it would seem to me that all submodules will by > definition have > > > the same version so you cannot tell which submodules have changed,, > > > > > > I think too that there is a fallacy in the belief that dividing up > something large > > > makes it easier to use, understand etc. Divide up code by procedure, > > > subroutine etc and if you can provide a parameter or two input, and > one or two > > > results output, and all the complexity of data structures, validation= , > algorithms > > > etc and hidden out of sight, then you have simplified. But DDL is > not like that. > > > With a grouping or submodule, you need to know the internals, of what > objects > > > there are, how they are structured, what semantics they have, pretty > much > > > everything inside; it is just harder to find, to reference, to access > because it has > > > been wrapped up in something that gets in the way and tucked out of > sight in > > > some part of the I-D, > > > Rather simplification comes from having the right structure in the > model, which > > > some WG are good at, > > > > > > Tom Petch > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Mahesh > Jethanandani > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:43 PM > > > To: netmod@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits > > > > > > A contrarian view: > > > > > > I find the use of sub-modules helpful when I want to use separate > files to > > > maintain part of the module that is logically separate, while > > > maintaining/restricting the use of them to a single namespace. > > > The fact that tools have a problem with trying to compile a sub-modul= e > can be > > > addressed in the tools themselves. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Reshad Rahman (rrahman) > > > > > etf.org>> wrote: > > > > > > Indeed > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/26 > > > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 2020-08-05, 5:22 PM, "netmod on behalf of Vladimir Vassil= ev" > > > bounces@ietf.org on behalf of vladimir@lightside- > > > instruments.com > > bounces@ietf.org%20on%20behalf%20of%20vladimir@lightside- > > > instruments.com>> wrote: > > > > > > On 05/08/2020 18.48, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > > > > > > > I personally meanwhile believe that sub-modules add complexity with > > > little extra value but this view surely is not shared by others. > > > > > > +1. IMO removing sub-modules from YANG 2.0 should be on the list o= f > > > proposed changes. > > > > > > /Vladimir > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --00000000000036f2d405ac8c84b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:56 PM Juerg= en Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
There are generic preprocessors such = as good old cpp or m4 that can do
wonderful things if there is a need to split large (YANG module) files
into smaller pieces. The question here is what the added benefit is to
build sub-modules into YANG itself. The argument I have heard is that
this allows separate compilation of the sub-modules but even then I am
not sure how well this works in practice and whether it is worth to
save some CPU or IO time on developer machines. Perhaps someone can
post concrete numbers that show the savings that can be obtained...


It is not possible in YANG 1.1 to comp= ile a single submodule.
YANG allows the=C2=A0use of identifiers f= rom other submodules without any include-stmts.
It is not possibl= e to compile (or read) a single submodule without the main module and
=
all the correct revisions of the other submodules.

In this way submodules make readability much worse than imported modu= les.


=C2=A0
/js

Andy
=C2=A0

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 08:08:02PM +0000, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)= wrote:
> Thanks Tom.
>
> Versioning in current YANG specs and in the new versioning work has in= dependent versioning available for modules and for sub-modules. The module = version will always bump when something changes in a submodule, but each su= bmodule has its own revision. So it can help consumers quickly see which pa= rts of a large schema have and haven't changed.
>
> I agree that certain ways of dividing up modules, using groupings, etc= can help or hinder readability. But I think that is orthogonal to submodul= es. YANG authors can make good or bad (*) readability decisions in a schema= with submodules or a schema without submodules.=C2=A0 If a schema is divid= ed up at the top level of a tree into submodules, then that is just as read= able IMO as a large data model being divided up the same way into individua= l modules.=C2=A0 i.e. you can have your bgp module, your interfaces module,= etc OR you can have your bgp submodule, your interfaces submodule, etc. >
> (*) good vs bad is often pretty subjective and there are sometimes tra= deoffs amongst readability, consistency, maintainability, etc. But again th= at is all orthogonal to submodules vs modules IMO.
>
> Rgds,
> Jason
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 5:23 AM
> > To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com>; Mahesh=
> > Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com>; netmod@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits
> >
> > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Sterne, Jason (No= kia -
> > CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com>
> > Sent: 07 August 2020 22:40
> >
> > I agree submodules can cause confusion, but I also agree with Mah= esh that
> > they can be useful to partition things for people using the modul= es. Especially
> > for huge models (e.g. router vendor models). You can jump right t= o a
> > subsection of the data (a bit like a document with chapters rathe= r than one
> > huge chapter).
> >
> > It can also be useful for consumers of the models for versioning = (when you
> > want to avoid multiple namespaces). If a model is made up of 30 s= ub-modules,
> > it might be useful to know that the "bgp" part changed = while the other parts of
> > the model didn't.
> >
> > <tp>
> >
> > Jason,
> >
> > Jan commented earlier that versioning happens at the module/names= pace level
> > in which case it would seem to me that all submodules will by def= inition have
> > the same version so you cannot tell which submodules have changed= ,,
> >
> > I think too that there is a fallacy in the belief that dividing u= p something large
> > makes it easier to use, understand etc.=C2=A0 Divide up code by p= rocedure,
> > subroutine etc and if you can provide a parameter or two input, a= nd one or two
> > results output, and all the complexity of data structures, valida= tion, algorithms
> > etc and hidden out of sight, then you have simplified.=C2=A0 =C2= =A0But DDL is not like that.
> > With a grouping or submodule, you need to know the internals, of = what objects
> > there are, how they are structured, what semantics they have, pre= tty much
> > everything inside; it is just harder to find, to reference, to ac= cess because it has
> > been wrapped up in something that gets in the way and tucked out = of sight in
> > some part of the I-D,
> > Rather simplification comes from having the right structure in th= e model, which
> > some WG are good at,
> >
> > Tom Petch
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Mahesh Jethananda= ni
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:43 PM
> > To: netmod@i= etf.org
> > Subject: Re: [netmod] submodules the hidden benefits
> >
> > A contrarian view:
> >
> > I find the use of sub-modules helpful when I want to use separate= files to
> > maintain part of the module that is logically separate, while
> > maintaining/restricting the use of them to a single namespace. > > The fact that tools have a problem with trying to compile a sub-m= odule can be
> > addressed in the tools themselves.
> >
> >
> > On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Reshad Rahman (rrahman)
> > <rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.i
> > e= tf.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Indeed
> > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/is= sues/26
> >
> > =EF=BB=BFOn 2020-08-05, 5:22 PM, "netmod on behalf of Vladim= ir Vassilev" <netmod-
> > bounces@iet= f.org on behalf of vladimir@lightside-
> > instruments.com<mailto:netmod-
> > bounces@iet= f.org%20on%20behalf%20of%20vladimir@lightside-
> > instruments.com>> wrote:
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 05/08/2020 18.48, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > >
> >
> > I personally meanwhile believe that sub-modules add complexity wi= th
> > little extra value but this view surely is not shared by others.<= br> > >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 +1. IMO removing sub-modules from YANG 2.0 should be= on the list of
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 proposed changes.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /Vladimir
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______________________________________________
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 netmod mailing list
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 netmod@ietf.org<mailto:netmod@ietf.org>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/list= info/netmod
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > netmod mailing list
> > netmod@ietf.= org<mailto:netm= od@ietf.org>
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
>
> _______________________________________________
> netmod mailing list
> netmod@ietf.org
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Mon, 10 Aug 2020 16:32:16 +0000 From: tom petch To: RFC Errata System , "lhotka@nic.cz" , "acee@cisco.com" , "yingzhen.qu@huawei.com" , "warren@kumari.net" , "rwilton@cisco.com" , "joelja@bogus.com" , "kent+ietf@watsen.net" , "lberger@labn.net" CC: "tsaad@juniper.net" , "netmod@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8349 (6251) Thread-Index: AQHWbzHSqdMkE6HM9EyxkyvyiFxhiKkxhqvj Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 16:32:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20200807154534.98486F4074B@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: <20200807154534.98486F4074B@rfc-editor.org> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: rfc-editor.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;rfc-editor.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=btconnect.com; x-originating-ip: [81.131.229.35] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 14aa63ae-5871-4fc8-cbf4-08d83d4af1f7 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: AM7PR07MB6312: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:10000; 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The I-D in question is mpls-base-ya= ng, currently in IETF Last Call, which is a Normative dependency of bfd-yan= g which is a Normative dependency for a small mountain of I-D which have be= en waiting a year or so (e.g. ospf-yang).=0A= =0A= I suspect that the technically perfect solution would involve a YANG union,= choice or some such structure but as I said in my Last Call comment I can = live with a label that contains such as 'address' encompassing such as 'lab= el' in the context of forwarding. I take labels to mean what labels mean r= ather than what I might find in a work of reference.=0A= =0A= Tom Petch =0A= =0A= The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8349,=0A= "A YANG Data Model for Routing Management (NMDA Version)".=0A= =0A= --------------------------------------=0A= You may review the report below and at:=0A= https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6251=0A= =0A= --------------------------------------=0A= Type: Technical=0A= Reported by: Tarek Saad =0A= =0A= Section: 7=0A= =0A= Original Text=0A= -------------=0A= The RPC "active-route" is used to retrieve the active route in a RIB.=0A= RFC8349 defined two AFIs (v4/v6).=0A= =0A= draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang is defining a new RIB AFI for MPLS as per section= 3 in RFC8349.=0A= =0A= The RPC has a "MUST" statement that all RIBs must augment input=0A= parameters with a leaf named 'destination-address'.=0A= =0A= For MPLS RIB, it makes sense to augment with leaf named 'local-label' since= MPLS routes are identified by MPLS label.=0A= =0A= We ask to make the following change:=0A= =0A= OLD:=0A= action active-route {=0A= description=0A= "Return the active RIB route that is used for the=0A= destination address.=0A= =0A= Address-family-specific modules MUST augment input=0A= parameters with a leaf named 'destination-address'.";=0A= =0A= =0A= Corrected Text=0A= --------------=0A= NEW:=0A= action active-route {=0A= description=0A= "Return the active RIB route that is used for the=0A= destination address.=0A= =0A= Address-family-specific modules MUST augment input=0A= parameters with a suitable leaf that identifies the route."= ;=0A= =0A= =0A= Notes=0A= -----=0A= =0A= =0A= Instructions:=0A= -------------=0A= This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please=0A= use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or=0A= rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party=0A= can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.=0A= =0A= --------------------------------------=0A= RFC8349 (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-11)=0A= --------------------------------------=0A= Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Management (NMDA Versio= n)=0A= Publication Date : March 2018=0A= Author(s) : L. Lhotka, A. Lindem, Y. Qu=0A= Category : PROPOSED STANDARD=0A= Source : Network Modeling=0A= Area : Operations and Management=0A= Stream : IETF=0A= Verifying Party : IESG=0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= netmod mailing list=0A= netmod@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod=0A= From nobody Mon Aug 10 16:27:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1553A0DED; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 16:27:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no 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Regards, Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of tom petch > Sent: 05 May 2020 16:44 > To: Martin Bj=F6rklund > Cc: lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] RFC 8349 action input augment >=20 > From: Martin Bj=F6rklund > Sent: 05 May 2020 12:39 > Cc: lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org >=20 > tom petch wrote: > > RFC8349 specifies an action with no input and says that modules that > > use this MUST augment the input with a leaf and that the leaf must > > be named destination-address. > > > > Is there any way that YANG can enforce either constraint? >=20 > This may look correct: >=20 > action activate-route { > input { > must '*[local-name(.) =3D "destination-address"]'; > } > ... > } >=20 >=20 > .... but unfortunatly we have a CLR in the definition of "input": >=20 > input-stmt =3D input-keyword optsep > "{" stmtsep > ;; these stmts can appear in any order > *must-stmt > *(typedef-stmt / grouping-stmt) > HERE---------------> 1*data-def-stmt > "}" stmtsep >=20 >=20 > We require "input" to have at least one data-def-stmt, which doens't > make any sense, since we allow an action/rpc to not define "input" at > all. >=20 > > Thanks for that. I thought there was a reason but did not think to look > there. >=20 > As you may have guessed, I just looked at a YANG module which broke the > rules, added a leaf but of the wrong name. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 >=20 > > > > Tom Petch > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Tue Aug 11 03:09:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE3F3A0F54; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 03:09:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, 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Hi Qin,<= /p>

 

I think it=A1= =AFs better and more mature than the last version. Here are some comments:<= /span>

1. What is the = difference between =A1=B0data node=A1=B1 and =A1=B0data object=A1=B1? If th= ey are the same, it is better to be consistent.

2. Whether the = IANA should include all the functions before?


Regards,=

Peng(CMCC)


=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmod = <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> =B4=FA=B1=ED Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com&= gt;
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=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [netmod] New Version Notification for draft-tao-ne= tmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt
 
Hi,
v-04 is posted, to address comments received from Jurgen and a few offline = discussion.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tag= s
The main changes include:
1. Add one NETCONF example in the appendix
2. Add Non-NMDA State Module in the appendix
3. Module structure alignment with module tag module.
4. Split Metric group from opm tag and define it as context info tag.
5. A few changes to Self Explanation Tags Use Cases.

-Qin
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A new version of I-D, draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Qin Wu and posted to the IETF repository= .

Name:           draft-tao= -netmod-yang-node-tags
Revision:       04
Title:          Self Explanati= on Data Object Tags
Document date:  2020-08-10
Group:          netmod
Pages:          40
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt=
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04
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Abstract:
   This document defines a method to tag data objects associated = with
   operation and management data in YANG Modules.  This YANG= data object
   tagging method can be used to identify characteristics data an= d
   correlate data objects from different data sources and provide= input,
   instruction, indication to selection filter and filter queries= of
   operational state on a server during a "pub/sub" ser= vice for YANG
   datastore updates.  When the state of all subscriptions o= f a
   particular Subscriber to be fetched is huge, the amount of dat= a to be
   streamed out to the destination can be greatly reduced and onl= y
   targeted to the characteristics data.

   An extension statement to be used to indicate YANG data node s= elf
   explanation tags that SHOULD be added by the module implementa= tion
   automatically (i.e., outside of configuration).

   A YANG module [RFC7950] is defined, which augments Module tag = model
   and provides a list of data node entries to allow for adding o= r
   removing of data node self explanation tags as well as viewing= the
   set of self explanation tags associated with a YANG module.
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In addition=A3=AC

3. You mentioned that =A1=B0Split Metric group from opm tag and define it a= s context info tag=A1=B1, but I didn=A1=AFt see context info tag to be defi= ned, are you saying opm tag is one example of context info tag or not?
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=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; NETMOD Group = <netmod@ietf.org>
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [netmod] =BB=D8=B8=B4: New Version Notification for dr= aft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt
 

Hi Qin,

 

I think it=A1=AFs= better and more mature than the last version. Here are some comments:

1. What is the di= fference between =A1=B0data node=A1=B1 and =A1=B0data object=A1=B1? If they= are the same, it is better to be consistent.

2. Whether the IA= NA should include all the functions before?


Regards,

Peng(CMCC)=


=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmo= d <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> =B4=FA=B1=ED Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.co= m>
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=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [netmod] New Version Notification for draft-tao-ne= tmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt
 
Hi,
v-04 is posted, to address comments received from Jurgen and a few offline = discussion.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tag= s
The main changes include:
1. Add one NETCONF example in the appendix
2. Add Non-NMDA State Module in the appendix
3. Module structure alignment with module tag module.
4. Split Metric group from opm tag and define it as context info tag.
5. A few changes to Self Explanation Tags Use Cases.

-Qin
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A new version of I-D, draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Qin Wu and posted to the IETF repository= ..

Name:           draft-tao= -netmod-yang-node-tags
Revision:       04
Title:          Self Explanati= on Data Object Tags
Document date:  2020-08-10
Group:          netmod
Pages:          40
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt=
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04
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Abstract:
   This document defines a method to tag data objects associated = with
   operation and management data in YANG Modules.  This YANG= data object
   tagging method can be used to identify characteristics data an= d
   correlate data objects from different data sources and provide= input,
   instruction, indication to selection filter and filter queries= of
   operational state on a server during a "pub/sub" ser= vice for YANG
   datastore updates.  When the state of all subscriptions o= f a
   particular Subscriber to be fetched is huge, the amount of dat= a to be
   streamed out to the destination can be greatly reduced and onl= y
   targeted to the characteristics data.

   An extension statement to be used to indicate YANG data node s= elf
   explanation tags that SHOULD be added by the module implementa= tion
   automatically (i.e., outside of configuration).

   A YANG module [RFC7950] is defined, which augments Module tag = model
   and provides a list of data node entries to allow for adding o= r
   removing of data node self explanation tags as well as viewing= the
   set of self explanation tags associated with a YANG module.
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Thanks Peng for a quic= k review on v-04.

There is no difference= between data node and data object, two terms are interchangeable.

We could have another = version to make the term consistent.

Regarding IANA section= , yes, there are some inconsistency issue as well, e.g., the number of regi= stries

are not consistent wit= h the number of registries defined in the tables.

We will fix this in v-= 05. Thanks a lot.

 

-Qin=

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Hi Qin,

 

I think it=A1=AFs better and more mature than the last version. Here are some comments:

1. What is the difference between =A1=B0data node=A1=B1 and =A1=B0data object=A1=B1? If they are the same, it is better to be consistent.

2. Whether the IANA should include= all the functions before?<= o:p>

 

Regards,

Peng(CMCC)

 

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Hi, =
v-04 is posted, to address comments received from Jurgen and a few offline = discussion.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tag= s
The main changes include:
1. Add one NETCONF example in the appendix
2. Add Non-NMDA State Module in the appendix
3. Module structure alignment with module tag module.
4. Split Metric group from opm tag and define it as context info tag.
5. A few changes to Self Explanation Tags Use Cases.

-Qin
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Name:           draft-tao= -netmod-yang-node-tags
Revision:       04
Title:          Self Explanati= on Data Object Tags
Document date:  2020-08-10
Group:          netmod
Pages:          40
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt=
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags/
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Abstract:
   This document defines a method to tag data objects associated = with
   operation and management data in YANG Modules.  This YANG= data object
   tagging method can be used to identify characteristics data an= d
   correlate data objects from different data sources and provide= input,
   instruction, indication to selection filter and filter queries= of
   operational state on a server during a "pub/sub" ser= vice for YANG
   datastore updates.  When the state of all subscriptions o= f a
   particular Subscriber to be fetched is huge, the amount of dat= a to be
   streamed out to the destination can be greatly reduced and onl= y
   targeted to the characteristics data.

   An extension statement to be used to indicate YANG data node s= elf
   explanation tags that SHOULD be added by the module implementa= tion
   automatically (i.e., outside of configuration).

   A YANG module [RFC7950] is defined, which augments Module tag = model
   and provides a list of data node entries to allow for adding o= r
   removing of data node self explanation tags as well as viewing= the
   set of self explanation tags associated with a YANG module.
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In addition=A3=AC

 

3. You mentioned that =A1=B0Split Metric = group from opm tag and define it as context info tag=A1=B1, but I didn=A1= =AFt see context info tag to be defined, are you saying opm tag is one example of context info tag or not?

 

[Qin]: No, Metric Grou= p tag and service tag are two examples of context information tags, this ha= s been briefly mentioned in section 1.1. OPM tag is not part of context information tag. OPM tag classify the O&M data = into object type, property and metric, three category.

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=D6=F7=CC=E2<= /b>: [netmod] =BB=D8=B8=B4<= /span>: New Version Notification for draft-tao-= netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt

 

Hi Qin,<= o:p>

 

I think it=A1=AFs better and more mature than= the last version. Here are some comments:

1. What is the difference between =A1=B0data = node=A1=B1 and =A1=B0data object=A1=B1? If they are the same, it is better = to be consistent.

2. Whether the IANA should include all the fu= nctions before?

 

Regards,=

Peng(CMCC)

 

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Hi, =
v-04 is posted, to address comments received from Jurgen and a few offline = discussion.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tag= s
The main changes include:
1. Add one NETCONF example in the appendix
2. Add Non-NMDA State Module in the appendix
3. Module structure alignment with module tag module.
4. Split Metric group from opm tag and define it as context info tag.
5. A few changes to Self Explanation Tags Use Cases.

-Qin
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has been successfully submitted by Qin Wu and posted to the IETF repository= ..

Name:           draft-tao= -netmod-yang-node-tags
Revision:       04
Title:          Self Explanati= on Data Object Tags
Document date:  2020-08-10
Group:          netmod
Pages:          40
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt=
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04<= br>
Abstract:
   This document defines a method to tag data objects associated = with
   operation and management data in YANG Modules.  This YANG= data object
   tagging method can be used to identify characteristics data an= d
   correlate data objects from different data sources and provide= input,
   instruction, indication to selection filter and filter queries= of
   operational state on a server during a "pub/sub" ser= vice for YANG
   datastore updates.  When the state of all subscriptions o= f a
   particular Subscriber to be fetched is huge, the amount of dat= a to be
   streamed out to the destination can be greatly reduced and onl= y
   targeted to the characteristics data.

   An extension statement to be used to indicate YANG data node s= elf
   explanation tags that SHOULD be added by the module implementa= tion
   automatically (i.e., outside of configuration).

   A YANG module [RFC7950] is defined, which augments Module tag = model
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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5CF24083-4126-4BE0-93F1-9A36F6DE9296@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:52:53 -0000 On 11. 08. 20 15:41, Joe Clarke (jclarke) wrote: > At the IETF 108 virtual meeting, Lada asked about what would happen if he converted a YANG module to YIN syntax (or vice versa, or to some other format). This was during the discussion of the issue of what should happen if a module changes and the only changes are insignificant whitespaces (e.g., strip trailing spaces, change line length of descriptions, etc.). > > The authors/contributors discussed on this on our weekly calls, and we propose: > > If a module changes and those changes are only insignificant whitespace changes and the syntax of the module remains the same (i.e., YANG to YANG, YIN, YIN, etc.), a new revision of the module MUST be created. If you are using YANG semver as your revision scheme, you MUST apply a PATCH version bump to that new module revision to indicate an editorial change. > > The reasoning behind this decision is that it makes it very clear and unambiguous to consumers that this module has been consciously changed, and those changes are only editorial. This way one won’t be concerned if they note that a module of a given syntax with the same version but different checksums and diffs wasn’t otherwise manipulated. > > That said, if a module changes format from one syntax to another but maintains semantic equivalency, then the revision and YANG semver MUST be the same. In that case, one will use the extension to realize that this module file cannot be directly compared to one of another syntax without looking at compiled or semantic representation. The last paragraph means that after a round trip YANG -> YIN -> YANG the initial and final YANG modules MUST have the same revision. However, depending on the conversion tools used, they may easily differ in whitespace, so their byte-oriented checksums won't be equal. I think there are in fact three cases: 1. Whitespace outside statement arguments - I believe this should never be significant. 2. Whitespace in the argument of "contact", "description", "error-message" and "organization" - this is tricky because tools may format such arguments differently. I am leaning towards making whitespace insignificant in this case as well. 3. Whitespace in other arguments has to be significant and lead to a revision bump. And one more corner case for both 2 a 3: what if "\t" is replaced with the tab character in a double-quoted string? For YANG, these two strings are absolutely equivalent. 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quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:13:16 -0000 On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 05:06:13PM +0200, Martin Bj=F6rklund wrote: >=20 > I think that any change in an argument string is an editorial change. >=20 > For example, compare these two changes: >=20 > A1. description "a server."; > A2. description "A server."; >=20 > B1. description "A server."; > B2. description "A server."; >=20 > These are editorial changes, and thus the revision should be changed. >=20 > Note however that the following change might look like an editorial > whitespace change in the argument, but in fact it is not: >=20 > C1. > description > "A server and > its data."; >=20 > C2. > description > "A server and > its data."; +1 I agree since whitespace outside YANG strings is insignificant. Lets raise this to the next level. What about the following? D1. description "A server."; D2. description "A server."; // not very descriptive E1. description "A server."; // not very descriptive E2. // not very descriptive description "A server."; /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Aug 11 10:11:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3573A0836 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:11:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=unavailable 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Hi Qin,

 

Thanks&n= bsp;for updating, I think telemetry data tagg= ing and classification is a good idea, i= t captures different  
KPI data from various = different data source and correlate them toge= ther and provide  
comprehensive view of the&n= bsp;network quality, also provide consistent repre= sentation and reporting. 
I want to see this&nbs= p;work being adopted, I am willing to re= view and contribute to this draft.  A few quick comments o= n v-03 based on our offline discussion: =
1. It is not clear&nbs= p;metric group should be part of opm tag= s, if my understanding is correct, the m= etric group is used to 
correlate different type ne= twork performance metrics together and serve = as context information, suggest to split metr= ic group 
from opm tags. 
2. Can you provide a&n= bsp;NETCONF example on data object tag manage= ment? 
3. Data Node Tags and&= nbsp;Data object Tags are used in many p= laces, I believe they are interchangeable, fo= r consistency, 
please use one or anot= her. 
4. Section 7.2, suggest&nbs= p;to split Metric group from data node t= ag, I also believe data node tag should&= nbsp;be changed into OPM tag 
based on the context p= rovided. 

 

Best Reg= ards,

Wei Wang=

China Te= lecom 


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=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [netmod] New Version Notific= ation for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt 

Hi, 
v-04 is posted, to add= ress comments received from Jurgen and a = ;few offline discussion. 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draf= t-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags 
The main changes include:&n= bsp;
1. Add one NETCONF exa= mple in the appendix 2. Add Non-NMDA Sta= te Module in the appendix 3. Module stru= cture alignment with module tag module. 
4. Split Metric group = from opm tag and define it as context&nb= sp;info tag. 
5. A few changes to&nb= sp;Self Explanation Tags Use Cases. 

-Qin 
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=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8= =CB: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:intern= et-drafts@ietf.org] 
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=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8= =CB: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>;=  Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; Benoit Claise&= nbsp;<bclaise@cisco.com>; Liang Geng <gengliang@chi= namobile.com>; Zongpeng Du <duzongpeng@chinamobile.com= >  =D6=F7=CC=E2: New Version Notification for dra= ft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt 


A new version of I-D,&= nbsp;draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt 
has been successfully submi= tted by Qin Wu and posted to the IE= TF repository. 

Name:      &= nbsp;         draft-tao-netmod= -yang-node-tags 
Revision:     &nb= sp;  04 
Title:      =           Self Expla= nation Data Object Tags 
Document date:    = ;    2020-08-10 
Group:      =           netmod 
Pages:      =           40 =
URL:      &n= bsp;     https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draf= t-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt 
Status:      = ;   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tao-netmod-yang-n= ode-tags/ 
Htmlized:     &nb= sp; https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04&nbs= p;
Htmlized:     &nb= sp; https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-t= ags 
Diff:      &= nbsp;    https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-tao-= netmod-yang-node-tags-04 

Abstract: 
   This document = defines a method to tag data objects ass= ociated with 
   operation and = management data in YANG Modules.  This Y= ANG data object 
   tagging method = ;can be used to identify characteristics data=  and 
   correlate data = ;objects from different data sources and prov= ide input, 
   instruction, indica= tion to selection filter and filter queries&n= bsp;of 
   operational state&n= bsp;on a server during a "pub/sub" = service for YANG 
   datastore updates.&= nbsp; When the state of all subscriptions&nbs= p;of a 
   particular Subscrib= er to be fetched is huge, the amount&nbs= p;of data to be 
   streamed out t= o the destination can be greatly reduced = ;and only 
   targeted to th= e characteristics data. 

   An extension s= tatement to be used to indicate YANG dat= a node self 
   explanation tags&nb= sp;that SHOULD be added by the module im= plementation 
   automatically (i.e.= , outside of configuration). 

   A YANG module&= nbsp;[RFC7950] is defined, which augments Module&n= bsp;tag model 
   and provides a=  list of data node entries to allow = ;for adding or 
   removing of da= ta node self explanation tags as well as=  viewing the 
   set of self&nb= sp;explanation tags associated with a YANG mo= dule. 

       =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =  


Please note that it ma= y take a couple of minutes from the = ;time of submission until the htmlized versio= n and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.&n= bsp;

The IETF Secretariat 


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(Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B3D3A10F6 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 00:42:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EwU5XqIghW9n for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 00:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trail.lhotka.name (trail.lhotka.name [77.48.224.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A043A10EE for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 00:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by trail.lhotka.name (Postfix, from userid 109) id EADDF8600DA; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:32:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (unknown [195.113.220.110]) by trail.lhotka.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E424186004C; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:32:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Ladislav Lhotka To: Martin =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rklund?= Cc: jclarke=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20200811.170613.15308869624694470.id@4668.se> References: <5CF24083-4126-4BE0-93F1-9A36F6DE9296@cisco.com> <19f17f7b-a48a-add0-351d-7a93e959dd7b@nic.cz> <20200811.170613.15308869624694470.id@4668.se> Mail-Followup-To: Martin =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rklund?= , jclarke=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:42:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87bljgb98w.fsf@nic.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:42:48 -0000 Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund writes: > Hi, > > > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> On 11. 08. 20 15:41, Joe Clarke (jclarke) wrote: >> > At the IETF 108 virtual meeting, Lada asked about what would happen if= he converted a YANG module to YIN syntax (or vice versa, or to some other = format). This was during the discussion of the issue of what should happen= if a module changes and the only changes are insignificant whitespaces (e.= g., strip trailing spaces, change line length of descriptions, etc.). >> >=20 >> > The authors/contributors discussed on this on our weekly calls, and we= propose: >> >=20 >> > If a module changes and those changes are only insignificant whitespac= e changes and the syntax of the module remains the same (i.e., YANG to YANG= , YIN, YIN, etc.), a new revision of the module MUST be created. If you ar= e using YANG semver as your revision scheme, you MUST apply a PATCH version= bump to that new module revision to indicate an editorial change. >> >=20 >> > The reasoning behind this decision is that it makes it very clear and = unambiguous to consumers that this module has been consciously changed, and= those changes are only editorial. This way one won=E2=80=99t be concerned= if they note that a module of a given syntax with the same version but dif= ferent checksums and diffs wasn=E2=80=99t otherwise manipulated. >> >=20 >> > That said, if a module changes format from one syntax to another but m= aintains semantic equivalency, then the revision and YANG semver MUST be th= e same. In that case, one will use the extension to realize that this modu= le file cannot be directly compared to one of another syntax without lookin= g at compiled or semantic representation. >>=20 >> The last paragraph means that after a round trip YANG -> YIN -> YANG the >> initial and final YANG modules MUST have the same revision. However, >> depending on the conversion tools used, they may easily differ in >> whitespace, so their byte-oriented checksums won't be equal. >>=20 >> I think there are in fact three cases: >>=20 >> 1. Whitespace outside statement arguments - I believe this should never >> be significant. > > Agreed. > >> 2. Whitespace in the argument of "contact", "description", >> "error-message" and "organization" - this is tricky because tools may >> format such arguments differently. I am leaning towards making >> whitespace insignificant in this case as well. >>=20 >> 3. Whitespace in other arguments has to be significant and lead to a >> revision bump. > > I think that any change in an argument string is an editorial change. > > For example, compare these two changes: > > A1. description "a server."; > A2. description "A server."; > > B1. description "A server."; > B2. description "A server."; > > These are editorial changes, and thus the revision should be changed. But consider description "A server and its data."; versus description "A server and its data."; Here the difference is only in presentation - a YANG parser gives the same = string in both cases. Another awkward case is whitespace before a line brea= k. Lada > > Note however that the following change might look like an editorial > whitespace change in the argument, but in fact it is not: > > C1. > description > "A server and > its data."; > > C2. > description > "A server and > its data."; > > > /martin > > >>=20 >> And one more corner case for both 2 a 3: what if "\t" is replaced with >> the tab character in a double-quoted string? For YANG, these two strings >> are absolutely equivalent. >>=20 >> Lada >>=20 >> >=20 >> > Thoughts? >> >=20 >> > Joe >> > _______________________________________________ >> > netmod mailing list >> > netmod@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> >=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Ladislav Lhotka >> Head, CZ.NIC Labs >> PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --=20 Ladislav Lhotka=20 Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Wed Aug 12 01:04:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170C13A112A for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:04:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nHOECP060_-x for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trail.lhotka.name (trail.lhotka.name [77.48.224.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559AD3A1123 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by trail.lhotka.name (Postfix, from userid 109) id DB78E8600D0; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:54:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (unknown [195.113.220.110]) by trail.lhotka.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B152086004C; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:54:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Ladislav Lhotka To: "Joe Clarke \(jclarke\)" , Martin =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rklund?= Cc: "Joe Clarke \(jclarke\)" , "netmod\@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: <5CF24083-4126-4BE0-93F1-9A36F6DE9296@cisco.com> <20200811.164556.608015447238311339.id@4668.se> Mail-Followup-To: "Joe Clarke \(jclarke\)" , Martin =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rklund?= , "Joe Clarke \(jclarke\)" , "netmod\@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:04:42 +0200 Message-ID: <878sekb885.fsf@nic.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 08:04:49 -0000 "Joe Clarke \(jclarke\)" writes: >> On Aug 11, 2020, at 10:45, Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund wrot= e: >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> "Joe Clarke \(jclarke\)" wrote: >>> At the IETF 108 virtual meeting, Lada asked about what would happen if >>> he converted a YANG module to YIN syntax (or vice versa, or to some >>> other format). This was during the discussion of the issue of what >>> should happen if a module changes and the only changes are >>> insignificant whitespaces (e.g., strip trailing spaces, change line >>> length of descriptions, etc.). >>>=20 >>> The authors/contributors discussed on this on our weekly calls, and we >>> propose: >>>=20 >>> If a module changes and those changes are only insignificant >>> whitespace changes and the syntax of the module remains the same >>> (i.e., YANG to YANG, YIN, YIN, etc.), a new revision of the module >>> MUST be created. If you are using YANG semver as your revision >>> scheme, you MUST apply a PATCH version bump to that new module >>> revision to indicate an editorial change. >>>=20 >>> The reasoning behind this decision is that it makes it very clear and >>> unambiguous to consumers that this module has been consciously >>> changed, and those changes are only editorial. This way one won=E2=80= =99t be >>> concerned if they note that a module of a given syntax with the same >>> version but different checksums and diffs wasn=E2=80=99t otherwise >>> manipulated. >>=20 >> I think this is the wrong way to go. I clean up formatting issues all >> the time, including IETF modules. I am pretty sure that if you >> retrieve modules like "ietf-interfaces" or "ietf-yang-types" from >> different vendors' products, you will get modules with differences in >> whitespace - and this is not a problem AFAIK. >>=20 >> I think it is ok that a simple "diff" show whitespace changes in this >> case. I don't think it leads to any real problems. > > We discussed this on the call. The thinking was that a long diff output = would essentially be unwieldy for some modules and important changes might = be lost. If the versions were the same, it would be ambiguous to the consu= me as to whether or not the module was only changed in trivial (i.e., less-= than-editorial) or if more substantive changes happened. If you trust the = producer, maybe you assume they regenerated the module without trailing whi= tespace (or the like). We felt there should be a more explicit signal. > >>=20 >>> That said, if a module changes format from one syntax to another but >>> maintains semantic equivalency, then the revision and YANG semver MUST >>> be the same. In that case, one will use the extension to realize that >>> this module file cannot be directly compared to one of another syntax >>> without looking at compiled or semantic representation. >>=20 >> This seems a bit inconsistent. Suppose I round-trip from YANG to YIN >> to YANG, and the result is different whitespace in the two YANG >> modules. The revision is the same, as explained above. How is this >> different from changing the whitespace in YANG directly? > > We didn=E2=80=99t discuss this directly, but we did discuss auto-generato= rs that could do this type of round-tripping. The general consensus was th= at you would use the same post-processing tool (e.g., pyang -f yang) on the= result to ensure consistency. And a consumer would look to a canonical so= urce (like IANA, the IETF document, or the vendor) to ensure a consistent m= odule. > > In terms of alternate sources, I would think that if one wanted to trust = an IETF module downloaded from some other site, they could. If that site d= id some additional formatting, that would be up to the consumer to resolve = compared to what might be required by a package. But if the publisher (IET= F in this case) were to republish a module with these stripped whitespace l= ine endings, then that would be a different revision. I think it would be better to define "canonical YANG". One relatively strai= ghtforward way might be to convert to YIN first and then apply XML canonica= lization: https://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xml-c14n-20010315 As an additional benefit, this would also enable digital signatures of YANG= modules. 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Wed, 12 Aug 2020 04:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:34:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20200812.103410.1214747298363462899.id@4668.se> To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Cc: ladislav.lhotka@nic.cz, jclarke=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rklund?= In-Reply-To: <20200811161307.v3j7lhap7cd7qwse@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> References: <19f17f7b-a48a-add0-351d-7a93e959dd7b@nic.cz> <20200811.170613.15308869624694470.id@4668.se> <20200811161307.v3j7lhap7cd7qwse@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 26.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 08:34:17 -0000 Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 05:06:13PM +0200, Martin Bj=F6rklund wrote: > > = > > I think that any change in an argument string is an editorial chang= e. > > = > > For example, compare these two changes: > > = > > A1. description "a server."; > > A2. description "A server."; > > = > > B1. description "A server."; > > B2. description "A server."; > > = > > These are editorial changes, and thus the revision should be change= d. > > = > > Note however that the following change might look like an editorial= > > whitespace change in the argument, but in fact it is not: > > = > > C1. > > description > > "A server and > > its data."; > > = > > C2. > > description > > "A server and > > its data."; > = > +1 > = > I agree since whitespace outside YANG strings is insignificant. > = > Lets raise this to the next level. What about the following? > = > D1. description "A server."; > D2. description "A server."; // not very descriptive > = > E1. description "A server."; // not very descriptive > E2. // not very descriptive > description "A server."; I think that comments should be treated as insignificant whitespace. Comments in YANG are not tied to a specific statement, so it is difficult to e.g. translate them to YIN properly. 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Hi, Wei Wang:

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=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmod@ietf.org; Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [netmod] New Version Notification for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags= -04.txt

 

Hi Qin,

 

Than= ks for updating, I think telemetry data = tagging and classification is a good idea,&nb= sp;it captures different  
KPI data from various = different data source and correlate them toge= ther and provide  
comprehensive view of the&n= bsp;network quality, also provide consistent repre= sentation and reporting. 
I want to see this&nbs= p;work being adopted, I am willing to re= view and contribute to this draft. 

[Qin]: Thanks, appreciated.<= /span>


A few quick comments o= n v-03 based on our offline discussion: =
1. It is not clear&nbs= p;metric group should be part of opm tag= s, if my understanding is correct, the m= etric group is used to 
correlate different type ne= twork performance metrics together and serve = as context information, suggest to split metr= ic group 
from opm tags. 

[Qin]:Good point, I have separated the = metric group from opm tags in v-04. In addition,  I update the use case in section 1.1.1 to

Describe metric group usage as context = information.


2. Can you provide a&n= bsp;NETCONF example on data object tag manage= ment? 

[Qin]:Good suggestion, I have added NET= CONF example in the appendix.


3. Data Node Tags and&= nbsp;Data object Tags are used in many p= laces, I believe they are interchangeable, fo= r consistency, 
please use one or anot= her. 

[Qin]: I got the similar comments from = Peng, I will fix this terminology inconsistency issue in v-05.


4. Section 7.2, suggest&nbs= p;to split Metric group from data node t= ag, I also believe data node tag should&= nbsp;be changed into OPM tag 
based on the context p= rovided. 

&nbs= p;[= Qin]: Agree,  I have introduced another registry for metric group tag and d= efine initial values for it. Thanks for your good suggestion.

Best= Regards,

Wei = Wang

Chin= a Telecom 


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=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<= span lang=3D"EN-US">: NETMOD Group <netmod@ietf.org> 
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [netmod] New Version Notificat= ion for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt 

Hi, 
v-04 is posted, to add= ress comments received from Jurgen and a = ;few offline discussion. 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ht= ml/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags 
The main changes include:&n= bsp;
1. Add one NETCONF exa= mple in the appendix 2. Add Non-NMDA Sta= te Module in the appendix 3. Module stru= cture alignment with module tag module. 
4. Split Metric group = from opm tag and define it as context&nb= sp;info tag. 
5. A few changes to&nb= sp;Self Explanation Tags Use Cases. 

-Qin 
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=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<= span lang=3D"EN-US">: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; Benoit Cl= aise <bclaise@cisco.com>= ;; Liang Geng <gengliang@chinamobile.com>; Zongpeng Du <duzongpeng@chinamobile.com>&= nbsp;
=D6=F7=CC=E2: New Version Notification for draft= -tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt 


A new version of I-D,&= nbsp;draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt 
has been successfully submi= tted by Qin Wu and posted to the IE= TF repository. 

Name:      &= nbsp;         draft-tao-netmod= -yang-node-tags 
Revision:     &nb= sp;  04 
Title:      =           Self Expla= nation Data Object Tags 
Document date:    = ;    2020-08-10 
Group:      =           netmod 
Pages:      =           40 =
URL:      &n= bsp;     https://www.ietf.org/interne= t-drafts/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04.txt 
Status:      = ;   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tao-netmod-yan= g-node-tags/ 
Htmlized:     &nb= sp; https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04=  
Htmlized:     &nb= sp; https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang= -node-tags 
Diff:      &= nbsp;    https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3D= draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-04 

Abstract: 
   This document = defines a method to tag data objects ass= ociated with 
   operation and = management data in YANG Modules.  This Y= ANG data object 
   tagging method = ;can be used to identify characteristics data=  and 
   correlate data = ;objects from different data sources and prov= ide input, 
   instruction, indica= tion to selection filter and filter queries&n= bsp;of 
   operational state&n= bsp;on a server during a "pub/sub" = service for YANG 
   datastore updates.&= nbsp; When the state of all subscriptions&nbs= p;of a 
   particular Subscrib= er to be fetched is huge, the amount&nbs= p;of data to be 
   streamed out t= o the destination can be greatly reduced = ;and only 
   targeted to th= e characteristics data. 

   An extension s= tatement to be used to indicate YANG dat= a node self 
   explanation tags&nb= sp;that SHOULD be added by the module im= plementation 
   automatically (i.e.= , outside of configuration). 

   A YANG module&= nbsp;[RFC7950] is defined, which augments Module&n= bsp;tag model 
   and provides a=  list of data node entries to allow = ;for adding or 
   removing of da= ta node self explanation tags as well as=  viewing the 
   set of self&nb= sp;explanation tags associated with a YANG mo= dule. 

       =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =  


Please note that it ma= y take a couple of minutes from the = ;time of submission until the htmlized versio= n and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.&n= bsp;

The IETF Secretariat 


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netmod@= ietf.org 
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clamav-milter 0.102.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:08:18 -0000 On 12. 08. 20 11:02, Martin Björklund wrote: > "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" wrote: >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: netmod On Behalf Of Ladislav Lhotka >>> Sent: 12 August 2020 08:43 >>> To: Martin Björklund >>> Cc: jclarke=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace >>> changes and versioning >>> >>> Martin Björklund writes: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11. 08. 20 15:41, Joe Clarke (jclarke) wrote: >>>>>> At the IETF 108 virtual meeting, Lada asked about what would happen >>> if he converted a YANG module to YIN syntax (or vice versa, or to some >>> other format). This was during the discussion of the issue of what >>> should >>> happen if a module changes and the only changes are insignificant >>> whitespaces (e.g., strip trailing spaces, change line length of >>> descriptions, etc.). >>>>>> >>>>>> The authors/contributors discussed on this on our weekly calls, and >>> we propose: >>>>>> >>>>>> If a module changes and those changes are only insignificant >>> whitespace changes and the syntax of the module remains the same >>> (i.e., >>> YANG to YANG, YIN, YIN, etc.), a new revision of the module MUST be >>> created. If you are using YANG semver as your revision scheme, you >>> MUST >>> apply a PATCH version bump to that new module revision to indicate an >>> editorial change. >>>>>> >>>>>> The reasoning behind this decision is that it makes it very clear and >>> unambiguous to consumers that this module has been consciously >>> changed, >>> and those changes are only editorial. This way one won’t be concerned >>> if >>> they note that a module of a given syntax with the same version but >>> different checksums and diffs wasn’t otherwise manipulated. >>>>>> >>>>>> That said, if a module changes format from one syntax to another but >>> maintains semantic equivalency, then the revision and YANG semver MUST >>> be >>> the same. In that case, one will use the extension to realize that >>> this >>> module file cannot be directly compared to one of another syntax >>> without >>> looking at compiled or semantic representation. >>>>> >>>>> The last paragraph means that after a round trip YANG -> YIN -> YANG >>> the >>>>> initial and final YANG modules MUST have the same revision. However, >>>>> depending on the conversion tools used, they may easily differ in >>>>> whitespace, so their byte-oriented checksums won't be equal. >>>>> >>>>> I think there are in fact three cases: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Whitespace outside statement arguments - I believe this should >>>>> never >>>>> be significant. >>>> >>>> Agreed. >>>> >>>>> 2. Whitespace in the argument of "contact", "description", >>>>> "error-message" and "organization" - this is tricky because tools may >>>>> format such arguments differently. I am leaning towards making >>>>> whitespace insignificant in this case as well. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Whitespace in other arguments has to be significant and lead to a >>>>> revision bump. >>>> >>>> I think that any change in an argument string is an editorial change. >>>> >>>> For example, compare these two changes: >>>> >>>> A1. description "a server."; >>>> A2. description "A server."; >>>> >>>> B1. description "A server."; >>>> B2. description "A server."; >>>> >>>> These are editorial changes, and thus the revision should be changed. >>> >>> But consider >>> >>> description >>> "A server and >>> its data."; >>> >>> versus >>> >>> description >>> "A server and >>> its data."; >>> >>> Here the difference is only in presentation - a YANG parser gives the >>> same >>> string in both cases. Another awkward case is whitespace before a line >>> break. >> [RW] >> >> [As an individual contributor] >> >> What about: >> >> description >> "A server and >> its data."; >> >> versus >> >> description >> "A server and its data."; > > I wrote: > >>>> I think that any change in an argument string is an editorial change. > > Your example changes the argument string; hence this is a significant > (editorial) change, and requires a new revision. Perhaps formally, but given the role that the description statement plays reflowing really means no change. Lada > >> Or any cases where description statements might be reflowed by tooling >> to fit different line width limits? > > See above. > > > > /martin > > >> >> Regards, >> Rob >> >> >>> >>> Lada >>> >>>> >>>> Note however that the following change might look like an editorial >>>> whitespace change in the argument, but in fact it is not: >>>> >>>> C1. >>>> description >>>> "A server and >>>> its data."; >>>> >>>> C2. >>>> description >>>> "A server and >>>> its data."; >>>> >>>> >>>> /martin >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> And one more corner case for both 2 a 3: what if "\t" is replaced with >>>>> the tab character in a double-quoted string? For YANG, these two >>> strings >>>>> are absolutely equivalent. >>>>> >>>>> Lada >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> netmod mailing list >>>>>> netmod@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ladislav Lhotka >>>>> Head, CZ.NIC Labs >>>>> PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> netmod mailing list >>>>> netmod@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>> >>> -- >>> Ladislav Lhotka >>> Head, CZ.NIC Labs >>> PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> netmod mailing list >>> netmod@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Wed Aug 12 10:04:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222FB3A00E0 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:04:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.85 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.85 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.949, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HWDBc2Q0J3Jj for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pg1-f176.google.com (mail-pg1-f176.google.com [209.85.215.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E14563A0044 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg1-f176.google.com with SMTP id 128so1363234pgd.5 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:04:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=IFJZ/kCIW5hoR0cYw/Ib09yfW8luQghxg4Mw0hiCaqY=; b=BbUvzxL2L5duZN1PBhcV4JhIIsEY8uGfNjmohlagdWNIlUWZRs/EAmfClmBpyoEpRt DQSz5LEHm9PGf6YGRoB7JsmO4AsmMixcmMexcLqeT9n/UZA+1UsBhvNhF4UvQcgv3mMz 5kIfV456Q9U8Si2nD9njedLBc1A9uRFq1aFPLH63E+TdXsNzD3k6vwx1ni6ZZ5Y2zhBo /NHYPxPtYl72o0xr8+nUt3inv/DgC7IschyrKe4RBLndq4Hhf6GEUbc4ZBHqaps07Mr6 beqv1vnBdEGxYaKW2bVs/naoXoyc1VCZTD8Ur/3r66XfrgCwlz+RHvvKTXonxx/OTILI 4CVA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531/5Qf/ecpo6dsxmb8wn8n3KRYwME9bId2hqag0QWwcuy9GkOxj q4y3lKwD2yGeqYdtlxhCBKzEutIKpzY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxxSdAarKI85Z4k17TcOPTmrMcDULLwEghoaOOImfk30rt80qSZ8AqC8vt8Wd93TQFDGRN3uQ== X-Received: by 2002:a63:2584:: with SMTP id l126mr119048pgl.126.1597251840641; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (c-73-231-235-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. 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For example to > which statement does the comment below belong? > > container foo { > container bar; /* beware */ container baz; > } For some reason this whole discussion of errorless round-trip conversions generated by flawless tools and inconsequential editorial changes made by infallible editors reminds me of an episode at a company long ago in which a programmer received a "commendation" for "most bugs introduced by fixing a comment."  (I won't name names.)   From a configuration management perspective, what's the point of introducing a revision identification scheme if it is not used? 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versioning X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 09:37:27 -0000 On 13. 08. 20 10:52, Joe Clarke (jclarke) wrote: > > >> On Aug 12, 2020, at 04:04, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> >> "Joe Clarke \(jclarke\)" writes: >> >>>> On Aug 11, 2020, at 10:45, Martin Björklund wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> "Joe Clarke \(jclarke\)" wrote: >>>>> At the IETF 108 virtual meeting, Lada asked about what would happen if >>>>> he converted a YANG module to YIN syntax (or vice versa, or to some >>>>> other format). This was during the discussion of the issue of what >>>>> should happen if a module changes and the only changes are >>>>> insignificant whitespaces (e.g., strip trailing spaces, change line >>>>> length of descriptions, etc.). >>>>> >>>>> The authors/contributors discussed on this on our weekly calls, and we >>>>> propose: >>>>> >>>>> If a module changes and those changes are only insignificant >>>>> whitespace changes and the syntax of the module remains the same >>>>> (i.e., YANG to YANG, YIN, YIN, etc.), a new revision of the module >>>>> MUST be created. If you are using YANG semver as your revision >>>>> scheme, you MUST apply a PATCH version bump to that new module >>>>> revision to indicate an editorial change. >>>>> >>>>> The reasoning behind this decision is that it makes it very clear and >>>>> unambiguous to consumers that this module has been consciously >>>>> changed, and those changes are only editorial. This way one won’t be >>>>> concerned if they note that a module of a given syntax with the same >>>>> version but different checksums and diffs wasn’t otherwise >>>>> manipulated. >>>> >>>> I think this is the wrong way to go. I clean up formatting issues all >>>> the time, including IETF modules. I am pretty sure that if you >>>> retrieve modules like "ietf-interfaces" or "ietf-yang-types" from >>>> different vendors' products, you will get modules with differences in >>>> whitespace - and this is not a problem AFAIK. >>>> >>>> I think it is ok that a simple "diff" show whitespace changes in this >>>> case. I don't think it leads to any real problems. >>> >>> We discussed this on the call. The thinking was that a long diff output would essentially be unwieldy for some modules and important changes might be lost. If the versions were the same, it would be ambiguous to the consume as to whether or not the module was only changed in trivial (i.e., less-than-editorial) or if more substantive changes happened. If you trust the producer, maybe you assume they regenerated the module without trailing whitespace (or the like). We felt there should be a more explicit signal. >>> >>>> >>>>> That said, if a module changes format from one syntax to another but >>>>> maintains semantic equivalency, then the revision and YANG semver MUST >>>>> be the same. In that case, one will use the extension to realize that >>>>> this module file cannot be directly compared to one of another syntax >>>>> without looking at compiled or semantic representation. >>>> >>>> This seems a bit inconsistent. Suppose I round-trip from YANG to YIN >>>> to YANG, and the result is different whitespace in the two YANG >>>> modules. The revision is the same, as explained above. How is this >>>> different from changing the whitespace in YANG directly? >>> >>> We didn’t discuss this directly, but we did discuss auto-generators that could do this type of round-tripping. The general consensus was that you would use the same post-processing tool (e.g., pyang -f yang) on the result to ensure consistency. And a consumer would look to a canonical source (like IANA, the IETF document, or the vendor) to ensure a consistent module. >>> >>> In terms of alternate sources, I would think that if one wanted to trust an IETF module downloaded from some other site, they could. If that site did some additional formatting, that would be up to the consumer to resolve compared to what might be required by a package. But if the publisher (IETF in this case) were to republish a module with these stripped whitespace line endings, then that would be a different revision. >> >> I think it would be better to define "canonical YANG". One relatively straightforward way might be to convert to YIN first and then apply XML canonicalization: >> >> https://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xml-c14n-20010315 >> >> As an additional benefit, this would also enable digital signatures of YANG modules. > > This came up on our last call as well, but the consensus there was that defining canonical YANG would be a large undertaking and out of scope for this work. That said, I think codifying such things would be useful. I did a few quick tests, and it seems that a pipeline like $ pyang -f yin ietf-inet-types.yang | xmllint --c14n - | sha256sum 8d1ca8f30566ce8cbeffa095e20642f8f6e9f3a724286be4ead863b4467dc40b - might be a very good start. It is certainly much more robust than relying on a simple checksum of the YANG module text. Lada > > Joe > -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Thu Aug 13 03:23:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9793A0B4D for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 03:23:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9hffsjWdDfdP for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 03:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de (atlas5.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 155213A0AA1 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 03:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89049374; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:23:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.198]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id FueuSEhbBRrz; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:23:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "DFN-Verein Global Issuing CA" (verified OK)) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:23:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13AAB20154; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:23:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10028) with ESMTP id Txy0Pang_IzQ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:23:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.218.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C04D200E4; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:23:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:23:02 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Ladislav Lhotka Cc: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" , "netmod@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20200813102302.xwowkncgur4s7yuc@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: Ladislav Lhotka , "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" , "netmod@ietf.org" References: <5CF24083-4126-4BE0-93F1-9A36F6DE9296@cisco.com> <20200811.164556.608015447238311339.id@4668.se> <878sekb885.fsf@nic.cz> <11245BD3-6E79-4F02-9962-53BE87264460@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 10:23:09 -0000 On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:37:18AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > $ pyang -f yin ietf-inet-types.yang | xmllint --c14n - | sha256sum > 8d1ca8f30566ce8cbeffa095e20642f8f6e9f3a724286be4ead863b4467dc40b - > > might be a very good start. It is certainly much more robust than > relying on a simple checksum of the YANG module text. This work started with the need for _semantic_ version numbers and now we are down to hashes of modules? Do we still have a clear idea which problem we are solving? - Sane development environments use version control systems, we should in my view not attempt to go there. We should assume that people developing YANG modules use version control systems to track changes. - There apparently is a need for a packaging system that can express which combinations of YANG module version are known to work together. The YANG versioning work was driven (I think) by the desire to support non-backwards compatible changes (section 4 of draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-03). Why do we end up discussing how to calculate hashes or the impact of whitespace changes? Whitespace and layout changes are backwards compatible, even today's YANG versioning rules handle them well. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Aug 13 03:53:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83C73A0B78 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 03:53:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tD_TK5eyKg-P for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 03:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C993A0B73 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 03:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.117] (213-67-237-150-no99.tbcn.telia.com [213.67.237.150]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0B5551AE0351; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:52:59 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) From: Jan Lindblad In-Reply-To: <20200813102302.xwowkncgur4s7yuc@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:52:58 +0200 Cc: Ladislav Lhotka , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5725D1DE-B846-4D44-88F9-D4BA5E61746A@tail-f.com> References: <5CF24083-4126-4BE0-93F1-9A36F6DE9296@cisco.com> <20200811.164556.608015447238311339.id@4668.se> <878sekb885.fsf@nic.cz> <11245BD3-6E79-4F02-9962-53BE87264460@cisco.com> <20200813102302.xwowkncgur4s7yuc@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 10:53:02 -0000 +1 /jan > On 13 Aug 2020, at 12:23, Juergen Schoenwaelder = wrote: >=20 > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:37:18AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> $ pyang -f yin ietf-inet-types.yang | xmllint --c14n - | sha256sum >> 8d1ca8f30566ce8cbeffa095e20642f8f6e9f3a724286be4ead863b4467dc40b - >>=20 >> might be a very good start. It is certainly much more robust than >> relying on a simple checksum of the YANG module text. >=20 > This work started with the need for _semantic_ version numbers and now > we are down to hashes of modules? Do we still have a clear idea which > problem we are solving? >=20 > - Sane development environments use version control systems, we should > in my view not attempt to go there. We should assume that people > developing YANG modules use version control systems to track > changes. >=20 > - There apparently is a need for a packaging system that can express > which combinations of YANG module version are known to work > together. >=20 > The YANG versioning work was driven (I think) by the desire to > support non-backwards compatible changes (section 4 of > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-03). Why do we end up > discussing how to calculate hashes or the impact of whitespace > changes? Whitespace and layout changes are backwards compatible, > even today's YANG versioning rules handle them well. >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 From nobody Fri Aug 14 04:45:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9283D3A0FB7; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 04:45:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no 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ESMTPS id 3CCF73A0FF3; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 10:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id B59EEF40740; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 10:41:56 -0700 (PDT) To: tsaad@juniper.net, lhotka@nic.cz, acee@cisco.com, yingzhen.qu@huawei.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: rwilton@cisco.com, iesg@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20200814174156.B59EEF40740@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 10:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] [Errata Rejected] RFC8349 (6251) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 17:42:08 -0000 The following errata report has been rejected for RFC8349, "A YANG Data Model for Routing Management (NMDA Version)". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6251 -------------------------------------- Status: Rejected Type: Technical Reported by: Tarek Saad Date Reported: 2020-08-07 Rejected by: Rob Wilton (IESG) Section: 7 Original Text ------------- The RPC "active-route" is used to retrieve the active route in a RIB. RFC8349 defined two AFIs (v4/v6). draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang is defining a new RIB AFI for MPLS as per section 3 in RFC8349. The RPC has a "MUST" statement that all RIBs must augment input parameters with a leaf named 'destination-address'. For MPLS RIB, it makes sense to augment with leaf named 'local-label' since MPLS routes are identified by MPLS label. We ask to make the following change: OLD: action active-route { description "Return the active RIB route that is used for the destination address. Address-family-specific modules MUST augment input parameters with a leaf named 'destination-address'."; Corrected Text -------------- NEW: action active-route { description "Return the active RIB route that is used for the destination address. Address-family-specific modules MUST augment input parameters with a suitable leaf that identifies the route."; Notes ----- --VERIFIER NOTES-- After discussion between the submitter and authors of the RFC it was agreed that the errata should be rejected. -------------------------------------- RFC8349 (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-11) -------------------------------------- Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Management (NMDA Version) Publication Date : March 2018 Author(s) : L. Lhotka, A. Lindem, Y. 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2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710DA3A1179; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:28:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joel Jaeggli via Datatracker To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.14.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: Joel Jaeggli , iesg-secretary@ietf.org, netmod-chairs@ietf.org, joelja@gmail.com, netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <159761328444.23164.12650640393407574653@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:28:04 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:28:05 -0000 Joel Jaeggli has requested 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Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff/ From nobody Sun Aug 16 19:51:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409193A1307; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:50:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.14.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <159763265718.3478.11627330660642121496@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:50:57 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-05.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:50:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Self Explanation Data Object Tags Authors : Qin Wu Benoit Claise Liang Geng Zongpeng Du Filename : draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-05.txt Pages : 41 Date : 2020-08-16 Abstract: This document defines a method to tag data objects associated with operation and management data in YANG Modules. This YANG data object tagging method can be used to identify characteristics data and correlate data objects from different data sources and provide input, instruction, indication to selection filter and filter queries of operational state on a server during a "pub/sub" service for YANG datastore updates. When the state of all subscriptions of a particular Subscriber to be fetched is huge, the amount of data to be streamed out to the destination can be greatly reduced and only targeted to the characteristics data. An extension statement to be used to indicate self explanation YANG data object tags that SHOULD be added by the module implementation automatically (i.e., outside of configuration). A YANG module [RFC7950] is defined, which augments Module tag model and provides a list of data object entries to allow for adding or removing of self explanation data object tags as well as viewing the set of self explanation tags associated with the data object within the YANG module. 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<20200807154534.98486F4074B@rfc-editor.org> <3073B02B-7413-4C00-ACF1-CA2679C0C949@cisco.com> <57AAC8FB-65D7-40D9-BFE7-B16A7F680C0E@juniper.net> <24CD45FE-939A-4B51-9149-BE8487D5E026@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.08.17-54.240.48.92 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8349 (6251) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:29:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2ABA6947-AE24-447D-85AF-BF27B1D483CA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Folks, Many messages for this thread are being blocked by the list server, = requiring manual effort by the chairs to release them. Here are the = headers from one such message: To: Tarek Saad , tom petch , = "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" , RFC Errata System , "lhotka@nic.cz" , "yingzhen.qu@huawei.com" , "warren@kumari.net" CC: "netmod@ietf.org" , "netconf-chairs@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org" = At a minimum, I suggest removing rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org and = netconf-chairs@ietf.org in your next Reply-All. Thanks! PS: I=E2=80=99ll release the messages stuck in the queue now. Kent Pending posts: From: tsaad@juniper.net on Fri Aug 14 = 09:25:03 2020 Subject: Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8349 (6251) Cause: Too many recipients to the message From: acee@cisco.com on Fri Aug 14 09:27:16 2020 Subject: Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8349 (6251) Cause: Too many recipients to the message From: acee@cisco.com on Fri Aug 14 09:29:05 2020 Subject: Re: [mpls] [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8349 (6251) Cause: Too many recipients to the message From: tsaad.net@gmail.com on Fri Aug 14 = 09:30:28 2020 Subject: Re: [mpls] [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8349 (6251) Cause: Too many recipients to the message From: ietfc@btconnect.com on Fri Aug 14 = 09:41:14 2020 Subject: Re: [mpls] [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8349 (6251) Cause: Too many recipients to the message From: rwilton@cisco.com on Fri Aug 14 = 10:38:23 2020 Subject: RE: [mpls] [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8349 (6251) Cause: Too many recipients to the message K. > On Aug 14, 2020, at 7:45 AM, tom petch wrote: >=20 > From: Acee Lindem (acee) > > Sent: 11 August 2020 14:08 >=20 > Hi Tom, Draft Authors, >=20 > The draft could easily be fixed. You just need to: >=20 > 1. Expand on the single sentence in section 2.1 on the need for = non-IP MPLS routes. Given that the draft wasn't modeled correctly, this = wasn't apparent to most of the reviewers. > 2. Add an MPLS AF only augmentation (enforced via a when statement) = to each route for the MPLS AF specific destination-prefix or = destination-address. > 3. Limit the current local-label augmentation to non-MPLS AFs. > 4. Limit the active-route augmentation to AF MPLS and change the = input to destination-address. >=20 > > 'easily' mmm... I have been getting my mind around this and see what = Acee means and agree. The I-D specifies an MPLS address family but then = does not create the RIB entries for it in the way that e.g. IPv4 unicast = does in RFC8349. Easy may be but quite a change Another option, again = a significant change, would be to cater only for IP address family with = MPLS and drop the MPLS address family. Either way, whatever the authors = decide, I cannot personally see this falling within the scope or an = Erratum or for the IETF Last Call to complete in a week's time. >=20 > I have dropped the RFC Editor and netconf-chairs pro tem >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > Thanks, > Acee >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 8/11/20, 6:10 AM, "tom petch" wrote: >=20 > From: Acee Lindem (acee) > Sent: 11 August 2020 10:47 >=20 > Hi Tom, > I fully understood your original comment. There are other problems = with this model. See inline. >=20 > On 8/11/20, 4:59 AM, "tom petch" wrote: >=20 > Tarek >=20 > Picking up on an earlier point, >=20 > ________________________________________ > From: Tarek Saad > Sent: 10 August 2020 21:23 >=20 > Hi Acee, >=20 > The existing RPC is used to query (defined AFIs=3DIPv4/IPv6) = RIB to return the matching active route identified by a "destination = address". > The MPLS module is trying to reuse this RPC so to query the = MPLS RIB to return the matching active route identified by a "local = label". > The RPC defined in RFC 8349 readily accepts MPLS AFI in it = (/rt:routing/rt:ribs/rt:rib/rt:active-route) - unless we augment and = suppress it with a "when check". > IMO, it is reusable as-is but the text below is limiting the = leaf name that identifies an entry in RIB to "destination-address" only = - in MPLS RIB the entry leaf name that identifies an entry is = "local-label". >=20 > It is not reusable as is since the augmentation RPC augmentation = must have a when statement restricting it to AF MPLS. Also, local-label = is a leaf which is applicable to all address families. It cannot be the = AF MPLS destination-prefix. This augmentation is missing. >=20 > > I am probably getting out of my depth here, On 1may20 I raised the = issue of why the 'MUST' in the description in RFC8349 was not enforced = in the YANG and 5may20 Martin explained that there is a rule in the YANG = ABNF of input-stmt that makes the obvious impossible:-( You are raising = more profound issues about the RIB that I had not perceived when I = reviewed mpls-base-yang for which I, and I hope everyone else, will be = grateful. >=20 > If this mpls I-D is to proceed in the immediate future, it looks = like the action may have to be deferred for future study. >=20 > More generally, I think that the interaction of forward by address = and forward by label is challenging. When first I looked at the MPLS = I-D I was surprised at the way RFC8349 was augmented. I had not seen = MPLS as an alternative to IPv4 or IPv6 or ... in the way in which the = RFC is used although the RFC does state that it can be; rather, to me, = labels are a different animal, but I assumed that everyone knew what = they were doing. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Acee >=20 >=20 > > There should be a 'when' check to enforce the 'MUST' but the = rules of YANG do not allow it in this structure. I raised this on the = NETMOD list at the time of WGLC and Martin pointed me to a rule in the = ABNF which prohibits such a check. He also said that the rule was not = needed and would be a candidate to remove when YANG is revised. >=20 > Hence I have always thought of this MUST in the documentation = as a constraint that must be enforced in the YANG >=20 > Tom Petch >> action active-route { >> description >> "Return the active RIB route that is used for the >> destination address. >>=20 >> Address-family-specific modules MUST augment input >> parameters with a leaf named 'destination-address'."; >=20 > Regards, > Tarek >=20 > On 8/10/20, 3:27 PM, "Acee Lindem (acee)" = wrote: >=20 > [External Email. Be cautious of content] >=20 >=20 > All (Speaking as an author of RFC 8349), > I just looked at this in more detail and I don't think the = ietf-mpls.yang model should be augmenting the = /rt:routing/rt:ribs/rt:rib/rt:active-route RPC. The intent of the RPC is = to return the address-family specific active-route corresponding to the = destination-address. This model attempts to overload this RPC with a = different action all together - returning a route that has the = local-label as an optional attribute. I'd reject the Errata and believe = the augmentation should be removed from ietf-mpl.yang. Whether it is = replaced with a different one is up to the co-authors of ietf-mpls.yang. > Thanks, > Acee >=20 > On 8/10/20, 2:29 PM, "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" = wrote: >=20 > [Resend to hopefully pass recipient limit filter] >=20 > Hi Tom, >=20 > I would be interested to hear from the original = authors. >=20 > My impression is that this is a technically reasonable = change, but I don't think that an erratum can create a new revision of a = YANG module. >=20 > If this erratum was processed as "Hold for document = update" then would that be sufficient to do the right thing in the MPLS = YANG module? >=20 > Regards, > Rob >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tom petch >> Sent: 10 August 2020 17:32 >> To: RFC Errata System ; lhotka@nic.cz; = Acee >> Lindem (acee) ; yingzhen.qu@huawei.com; = warren@kumari.net; >> Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; joelja@bogus.com; >> kent+ietf@watsen.net; lberger@labn.net >> Cc: tsaad@juniper.net; netmod@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8349 (6251) >>=20 >> From: netmod on behalf of RFC Errata System >> >> Sent: 07 August 2020 16:45 >>=20 >> >> This is the erratum of whose arrival I speculated on this list on = June >> 16th. >>=20 >> There is a degree of urgency about it. The I-D in question is = mpls-base- >> yang, currently in IETF Last Call, which is a Normative dependency of = bfd- >> yang which is a Normative dependency for a small mountain of I-D = which >> have been waiting a year or so (e.g. ospf-yang). >>=20 >> I suspect that the technically perfect solution would involve a YANG >> union, choice or some such structure but as I said in my Last Call = comment >> I can live with a label that contains such as 'address' encompassing = such >> as 'label' in the context of forwarding. I take labels to mean what >> labels mean rather than what I might find in a work of reference. >>=20 >> Tom Petch >>=20 >> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8349, >> "A YANG Data Model for Routing Management (NMDA Version)". >>=20 >> -------------------------------------- >> You may review the report below and at: >> = https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6251__;!!= NEt6yMaO-gk!URK5WVsqD5g7WpzCU1VuzKJA0AUiawXBFLB_gENlsYMrpiMqDtyFoxw8DnSr2A= $ >>=20 >> -------------------------------------- >> Type: Technical >> Reported by: Tarek Saad >>=20 >> Section: 7 >>=20 >> Original Text >> ------------- >> The RPC "active-route" is used to retrieve the active route in a RIB. >> RFC8349 defined two AFIs (v4/v6). >>=20 >> draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang is defining a new RIB AFI for MPLS as per >> section 3 in RFC8349. >>=20 >> The RPC has a "MUST" statement that all RIBs must augment input >> parameters with a leaf named 'destination-address'. >>=20 >> For MPLS RIB, it makes sense to augment with leaf named 'local-label' >> since MPLS routes are identified by MPLS label. >>=20 >> We ask to make the following change: >>=20 >> OLD: >> action active-route { >> description >> "Return the active RIB route that is used for the >> destination address. >>=20 >> Address-family-specific modules MUST augment input >> parameters with a leaf named 'destination-address'."; >>=20 >>=20 >> Corrected Text >> -------------- >> NEW: >> action active-route { >> description >> "Return the active RIB route that is used for the >> destination address. >>=20 >> Address-family-specific modules MUST augment input >> parameters with a suitable leaf that identifies the >> route."; >>=20 >>=20 >> Notes >> ----- >>=20 >>=20 >> Instructions: >> ------------- >> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please >> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or >> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party >> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. >>=20 >> -------------------------------------- >> RFC8349 (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-11) >> -------------------------------------- >> Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Management (NMDA >> Version) >> Publication Date : March 2018 >> Author(s) : L. Lhotka, A. Lindem, Y. Qu >> Category : PROPOSED STANDARD >> Source : Network Modeling >> Area : Operations and Management >> Stream : IETF >> Verifying Party : IESG >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> = https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod__= ;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!URK5WVsqD5g7WpzCU1VuzKJA0AUiawXBFLB_gENlsYMrpiMqDtyFoxxyc2_= LZA$ >=20 >=20 >=20 > Juniper Business Use Only >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod = --Apple-Mail=_2ABA6947-AE24-447D-85AF-BF27B1D483CA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Folks,

Many= messages for this thread are being blocked by the list server, = requiring manual effort by the chairs to release them.  Here are = the headers from one such message:

To: Tarek Saad <tsaad@juniper.net>, = tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>, "Rob
 Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com>, = RFC Errata System
 <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>, "lhotka@nic.cz" <lhotka@nic.cz>,
 "yingzhen.qu@huawei.com" <yingzhen.qu@huawei.com>, "warren@kumari.net"
 <warren@kumari.net>

CC: "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org>, "netconf-chairs@ietf.org"
 <netconf-chairs@ietf.org>, "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>,
 "draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org>

At a minimum, I suggest = removing rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org and netconf-chairs@ietf.org in your next Reply-All. =  Thanks!

PS: I=E2=80=99ll release the messages stuck in the queue = now.

Kent



Pending posts:
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Subject: Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8349 = (6251)
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From: acee@cisco.com on Fri Aug 14 09:27:16 = 2020
Subject: Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] = RFC8349 (6251)
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Subject: Re: [mpls] [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] = RFC8349 (6251)
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From: tsaad.net@gmail.com on Fri Aug 14 09:30:28 = 2020
Subject: Re: [mpls] [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] = RFC8349 (6251)
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From: ietfc@btconnect.com on Fri Aug 14 09:41:14 = 2020
Subject: Re: [mpls] [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] = RFC8349 (6251)
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From: rwilton@cisco.com on Fri Aug 14 10:38:23 = 2020
Subject: RE: [mpls] [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] = RFC8349 (6251)
Cause: Too many recipients to the = message


K.



On Aug 14, 2020, at 7:45 AM, tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>= wrote:

From: Acee Lindem (acee) = <acee@cisco.com>
Sent: 11 August 2020 = 14:08

Hi Tom, Draft = Authors,

The draft = could easily be fixed. You just need to:

 1. Expand on the single sentence in section 2.1 on the = need for non-IP MPLS routes. Given that the draft wasn't modeled = correctly, this wasn't apparent to most of the reviewers.
 2. Add an MPLS AF only = augmentation (enforced via a when statement) to each route for the MPLS = AF specific destination-prefix or destination-address.
 3. Limit the current = local-label augmentation to non-MPLS AFs.
 4. Limit the active-route augmentation to AF MPLS and = change the input to destination-address.

<tp>
'easily'  mmm... I have been getting my mind around this = and see what Acee means and agree.  The I-D specifies an MPLS = address family but then does not create the RIB entries for it in the = way that e.g. IPv4 unicast does in  RFC8349.  Easy may be but = quite a change Another option, again a significant change, would be to = cater only for IP address family with MPLS and drop the MPLS address = family. Either way, whatever the authors decide, I cannot personally see = this falling within the scope or an Erratum or for the IETF Last Call to = complete in a week's time.

I have dropped the RFC Editor and netconf-chairs pro = tem

Tom = Petch

Thanks,
Acee

=EF=BB=BFOn 8/11/20, 6:10 AM, "tom petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com>= wrote:

   From: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>   Sent: 11 = August 2020 10:47

   Hi Tom,
   I fully understood your original comment. = There are other problems with this model. See inline.

   On 8/11/20, = 4:59 AM, "tom petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:

       Tarek

       Picking up on an = earlier point,

       _____________________= ___________________
       From: Tarek Saad = <tsaad@juniper.net>
       Sent: 10 August = 2020 21:23

       Hi Acee,

       The existing RPC is = used to query (defined AFIs=3DIPv4/IPv6) RIB to return the matching = active route identified by a "destination address".
       The MPLS module is = trying to reuse this RPC so to query the MPLS RIB to return the matching = active route identified by a "local label".
       The RPC defined in = RFC 8349 readily accepts MPLS AFI in it = (/rt:routing/rt:ribs/rt:rib/rt:active-route) - unless we augment and = suppress it with a "when check".
       IMO, it is reusable = as-is but the text below is limiting the leaf name that identifies an = entry in RIB to "destination-address" only - in MPLS RIB the entry leaf = name that identifies an entry is "local-label".

   It is not = reusable as is since the augmentation RPC augmentation must have a when = statement restricting it to AF MPLS. Also, local-label is a leaf which = is applicable to all address families. It cannot be the AF MPLS = destination-prefix. This augmentation is missing.

   <tp>
   I am probably getting out of my depth here, =  On 1may20 I raised the issue of why the 'MUST' in the description = in RFC8349 was not enforced in the YANG and 5may20 Martin explained that = there is a rule in the YANG ABNF of input-stmt that makes the obvious = impossible:-(  You are raising more profound issues about the RIB = that I had not perceived when I reviewed mpls-base-yang for which I, and = I hope everyone else, will be grateful.

   If this mpls I-D is to proceed in the = immediate future, it looks like the action may have to be deferred for = future study.

   More generally, I think that the = interaction of forward by address and forward by label is challenging. =  When first I looked at the MPLS I-D I was surprised at the way = RFC8349 was augmented.  I had not seen MPLS as an alternative to = IPv4 or IPv6 or ... in the way in which the RFC is used although the RFC = does state that it can be; rather, to me, labels are a different animal, = but I assumed that everyone knew what they were doing.

   Tom = Petch


   Thanks,
   Acee


       <tp>
       There should be a = 'when' check to enforce the 'MUST' but the rules of YANG do not allow it = in this structure.  I raised this on the NETMOD list at the time of = WGLC and Martin pointed me to a rule in the ABNF which prohibits such a = check.  He also said that the rule was not needed and would be a = candidate to remove when YANG is revised.

       Hence I have always = thought of this MUST in the documentation as a constraint that must be = enforced in the YANG

       Tom Petch
          act= ion active-route {
          &nb= sp; description
          &nb= sp;   "Return the active RIB route that is used for = the
          &nb= sp;    destination address.

          &nb= sp;    Address-family-specific modules MUST augment = input
          &nb= sp;    parameters with a leaf named = 'destination-address'.";

       Regards,
       Tarek

       On 8/10/20, 3:27 = PM, "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

          &nb= sp;[External Email. Be cautious of content]


          &nb= sp;All (Speaking as an author of RFC 8349),
          &nb= sp;I just looked at this in more detail and I don't think the = ietf-mpls.yang model should be augmenting the = /rt:routing/rt:ribs/rt:rib/rt:active-route RPC. The intent of the RPC is = to return the address-family specific active-route corresponding to the = destination-address. This model attempts to overload this RPC with a = different action all together - returning a route that has the = local-label as an optional attribute. I'd reject the Errata and believe = the augmentation should be removed from ietf-mpl.yang. Whether it is = replaced with a different one is up to the co-authors of = ietf-mpls.yang.
          &nb= sp;Thanks,
          &nb= sp;Acee

          &nb= sp;On 8/10/20, 2:29 PM, "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com> = wrote:

          &nb= sp;    [Resend to hopefully pass recipient limit = filter]

          &nb= sp;    Hi Tom,

          &nb= sp;    I would be interested to hear from the = original authors.

          &nb= sp;    My impression is that this is a technically = reasonable change, but I don't think that an erratum can create a new = revision of a YANG module.

          &nb= sp;    If this erratum was processed as "Hold for = document update" then would that be sufficient to do the right thing in = the MPLS YANG module?

          &nb= sp;    Regards,
          &nb= sp;    Rob


-----Original Message-----
From: tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>
Sent: 10 August = 2020 17:32
To: RFC Errata System <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>; lhotka@nic.cz; Acee
Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; yingzhen.qu@huawei.com; warren@kumari.net;
Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com>; joelja@bogus.com;
kent+ietf@watsen.net; = lberger@labn.net
Cc: tsaad@juniper.net; netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netmod] = [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8349 (6251)

From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of RFC Errata = System
<rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>
Sent: 07 = August 2020 16:45

<tp>
This is the erratum of whose arrival I speculated on this = list on June
16th.

There is a = degree of urgency about it.  The I-D in question is mpls-base-
yang, currently in IETF Last Call, which is a Normative = dependency of bfd-
yang which is a Normative dependency = for a small mountain of I-D which
have been waiting a year = or so (e.g.  ospf-yang).

I suspect = that the technically perfect solution would involve a YANG
union, choice or some such structure but as I said in my Last = Call comment
I can live with a label that contains such as = 'address' encompassing such
as 'label' in the context of = forwarding.  I take labels to mean what
labels mean = rather than what I might find in a work of reference.

Tom Petch

The following errata = report has been submitted for RFC8349,
"A YANG Data Model = for Routing Management (NMDA Version)".

--------------------------------------
You may = review the report below and at:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/e= id6251__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!URK5WVsqD5g7WpzCU1VuzKJA0AUiawXBFLB_gENlsYMrpiMqDty= Foxw8DnSr2A$

--------------------------------------
Type: = Technical
Reported by: Tarek Saad = <tsaad@juniper.net>

Section: 7

Original Text
-------------
The RPC "active-route" is used to retrieve the active route = in a RIB.
RFC8349 defined two AFIs (v4/v6).

draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang is defining a new = RIB AFI for MPLS as per
section 3 in RFC8349.

The RPC has a "MUST" statement that all RIBs = must augment input
parameters with a leaf named = 'destination-address'.

For MPLS RIB, it = makes sense to augment with leaf named 'local-label'
since = MPLS routes are identified by MPLS label.

We = ask to make the following change:

OLD:
          act= ion active-route {
          &nb= sp; description
          &nb= sp;   "Return the active RIB route that is used for = the
          &nb= sp;    destination address.

          &nb= sp;    Address-family-specific modules MUST augment = input
          &nb= sp;    parameters with a leaf named = 'destination-address'.";


Corrected Text
--------------
NEW:
          act= ion active-route {
          &nb= sp; description
          &nb= sp;   "Return the active RIB route that is used for = the
          &nb= sp;    destination address.

          &nb= sp;    Address-family-specific modules MUST augment = input
          &nb= sp;    parameters with a suitable leaf that = identifies the
route.";


Notes
-----


Instructions:
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use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified = or
rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying = party
can log in to change the status and edit the report, = if necessary.

--------------------------------------
RFC8349 = (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-11)
--------------------------------------
Title =             &n= bsp; : A YANG Data Model for Routing Management (NMDA
Version)
Publication Date    : = March 2018
Author(s) =           : L. Lhotka, = A. Lindem, Y. Qu
Category =            : = PROPOSED STANDARD
Source =             &n= bsp;: Network Modeling
Area =             &n= bsp;  : Operations and Management
Stream =             &n= bsp;: IETF
Verifying Party     : = IESG

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   1)  -03 was presented during the 108 = session, hence the I-D has been updated twice since then.
   2) Please be aware that IPR has been filed for = this I-D:
         https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3D= draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags.

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Hi all=A3=AC<= /o:p>

 

I have reviewed the latest version, my comments are addres= sed, I support adoption.

 

Best Regrads,

Wei

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=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Kent Watsen; netmod
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags

 

Hi all=A3=AC

 

I have reviewed the latest ver= sion, my comments are addressed, I support adoption.

 

Best Regards,

Wei

 

From: Kent Watsen

Date: 2020-08-18 06:05=

Subject: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags

This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:

    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-t= ags-05

Please voice your support or o= bjections on list before August 31.  

 

Notes:

   1)  -03 was = presented during the 108 session, hence the I-D has been updated twice sinc= e then.

   2) Please be awar= e that IPR has been filed for this I-D:

 

Netmod Chairs

 

 

--_000_BYAPR01MB5384BD60BF253FED7E32A072985C0BYAPR01MB5384prod_-- From nobody Mon Aug 17 21:53:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58103A174D for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:53:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IwZ1oeE8dJbH for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de (atlas5.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C5943A1774 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56D435C; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:53:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.198]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id vYA2p2PgMSdx; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:53:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "DFN-Verein Global Issuing CA" (verified OK)) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:53:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647DF20154; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:53:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10028) with ESMTP id XAGxpzt55O-0; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:53:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.218.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FE8A200E4; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:53:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:53:06 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Kent Watsen Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20200818045306.chjnr32ypyzvekdo@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: Kent Watsen , "netmod@ietf.org" References: <01000173fe74b0c3-c08431ec-fea7-484b-a53a-6123c4c842d6-000000@email.amazonses.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01000173fe74b0c3-c08431ec-fea7-484b-a53a-6123c4c842d6-000000@email.amazonses.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 04:53:12 -0000 On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 10:05:27PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote: > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-05 > > Please voice your support or objections on list before August 31. > > Notes: > 1) -03 was presented during the 108 session, hence the I-D has been updated twice since then. > 2) Please be aware that IPR has been filed for this I-D: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags . > I am against adoption. I am against introducing a collection of standards-track extension statements without answering the question who controls, enforces and reviews the usage of these extension statements (when and how are they used). Some statements and tags are either addressing issues caused by underspecified YANG modules or they overlap with the deviation mechanism that we have in place since day one of YANG. Others are very vaguely specified, it is unclear how they will lead to interoperable behavior. If module authors are too lazy to use existing YANG mechanisms properly, does it make sense to add more mechanism to the YANG eco system? I doubt it. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Aug 18 00:24:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE013A180C for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 00:24:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MKLRgtqSPBpm for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 00:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher 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14.03.0487.000; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:24:22 +0800 From: Qin Wu To: Juergen Schoenwaelder , Kent Watsen CC: "netmod@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags Thread-Index: AdZ1J8OaFWJEloQESriMylME0vOKIA== Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 07:24:22 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.164.123.106] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 07:24:35 -0000 SnVlcmdlbjoNCi0tLS0t08q8/tStvP4tLS0tLQ0Kt6K8/sjLOiBuZXRtb2QgW21haWx0bzpuZXRt 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Hi all,
I support adoption, since this&nb=
sp;solution can capture metric from the netwo=
rk and doesn=A1=AFt require big changes to&nb=
sp;all existing modules.
Best Regrads
Liu Chang
China Unicom
Email: liuc131@chinaunicom.cn
Phone: +8618601102572
Tel: 010-68799999-7294



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To: "netmod@ietf.org"<netmod@ietf.org>;=0A=
Subject: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags=0A=
This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:=0A=
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Please voice your support or objections on list before August 31.  =0A=
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   1)  -03 was presented during the 108 session, hence the I-D has been upd=
ated twice since then.=0A=
   2) Please be aware that IPR has been filed for this I-D:=0A=
         https://datatra=
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= --Apple-Mail=_10F3567A-4EBE-4E68-A902-BC98714CC2A1-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 21:05:11 2020 Return-Path: <010001740a0ab192-56c92c9d-03b9-4aea-abdc-9b9c9323dc1c-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1477E3A10DC for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:05:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aExHdjjzdub2 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-110.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-110.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 590783A10E2 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:05:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1597896307; h=From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Feedback-ID; bh=NHB6VXx54sofqKdR0jOF/brZKkON4nMfttKSp+x6YbE=; b=WnMDwg+1WwGftq9OPEMARrO8DVXZYKgXHD5ClAfViAubitOTpyVKscws2Zgy6a/r D7qwErWd0KoATeyA2Q/mjd54DQhNZ02u4k77M6qLO/vS5nuXwtrpnJ4OWhxLjBl7zfK HlbxIKDWsf532fqkn1Fq1L+z5AAurcJK3zUrv8fQ= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5B5AD02E-7CB6-4E92-89C5-9AC963F0B08B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:05:07 +0000 References: <01000174088a8421-621fb5ec-e36c-46f5-ba9a-6f4444b1a180-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: "netmod@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <01000174088a8421-621fb5ec-e36c-46f5-ba9a-6f4444b1a180-000000@email.amazonses.com> Message-ID: <010001740a0ab192-56c92c9d-03b9-4aea-abdc-9b9c9323dc1c-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.08.20-54.240.48.110 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Draft minutes uploaded X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:05:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5B5AD02E-7CB6-4E92-89C5-9AC963F0B08B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fixed link:=20 = https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/108/minutes/minutes-108-netmod-02.html > On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 >=20 > Draft minutes from the 108 NETMOD session have been uploaded here: >=20 > = https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/108/minutes/minutes-108-netmod-02.html = = >=20 > NETMOD Chairs >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_5B5AD02E-7CB6-4E92-89C5-9AC963F0B08B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Fixed= link: 

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On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:


Draft minutes from the 108 NETMOD session have been = uploaded here:

   https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/108/minutes/minutes-108-netmod= -02.html

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= --Apple-Mail=_5B5AD02E-7CB6-4E92-89C5-9AC963F0B08B-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 21:09:37 2020 Return-Path: <010001740a0ebe6f-4349ffdf-c6c6-43bb-9ab8-b3c1a35b2502-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC19D3A114E for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:09:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lSyhk8pKT_TD for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-110.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-110.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDAD53A114B for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1597896572; h=From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Feedback-ID; bh=HfthNxk0EQcq1sLPOyS2C+CC40TCGby8emWnuYwO93A=; b=dqv2iQ/J5SNVzwALRiUd8b9jr9hE4YKafqmekVN5Zg4hm9lXKoiLRNv6eFnR2QbA 03TjzQQIDUKCmWPHKPcGOXnx7XxmLemEdocBUhEyp+VZOg2a/0LxtM3je2cJfUXl0QX nyz6EKP7wG9ruTqmhVVWviMKf/Q+XYdtdx/fM5uQ= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A2B77999-D742-4DA1-A07B-DE7EF298557F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:09:32 +0000 References: <01000174088a8421-621fb5ec-e36c-46f5-ba9a-6f4444b1a180-000000@email.amazonses.com> <010001740a0ab192-56c92c9d-03b9-4aea-abdc-9b9c9323dc1c-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: "netmod@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <010001740a0ab192-56c92c9d-03b9-4aea-abdc-9b9c9323dc1c-000000@email.amazonses.com> Message-ID: <010001740a0ebe6f-4349ffdf-c6c6-43bb-9ab8-b3c1a35b2502-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.08.20-54.240.48.110 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Draft minutes uploaded X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:09:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A2B77999-D742-4DA1-A07B-DE7EF298557F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Link still showing double periods (e.g., =E2=80=9C..html=E2=80=9D). Trying one last time: = https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/108/minutes/minutes-108-netmod-02.html = > On Aug 20, 2020, at 12:05 AM, Kent Watsen = wrote: >=20 > Fixed link:=20 >=20 > = https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/108/minutes/minutes-108-netmod-02.html = = >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Kent Watsen > wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> Draft minutes from the 108 NETMOD session have been uploaded here: >>=20 >> = https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/108/minutes/minutes-108-netmod-02.html = >>=20 >> NETMOD Chairs >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_A2B77999-D742-4DA1-A07B-DE7EF298557F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Link still showing double = periods (e.g., =E2=80=9C..html=E2=80=9D).

Trying one last time:




On Aug 20, 2020, at 12:05 AM, Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

Fixed link: 

    https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/108/minutes/minutes-108-netmod= -02.html



On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:


Draft minutes from the 108 NETMOD session have been = uploaded here:

   https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/108/minutes/minutes-108-netmod= -02.html

NETMOD Chairs



_____________________________________________= __
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netmod@ietf.org
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= --Apple-Mail=_A2B77999-D742-4DA1-A07B-DE7EF298557F-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 23:42:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124CD3A0884 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:42:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zQ6gwsJqwgSM for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 100763A08AB for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 5192DF4079F; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:42:16 -0700 (PDT) To: mbj@tail-f.com, warren@kumari.net, rwilton@cisco.com, joelja@bogus.com, kent+ietf@watsen.net, lberger@labn.net X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: ganshaolong@vip.qq.com, netmod@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20200820064216.5192DF4079F@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7950 (6258) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 06:42:37 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7950, "The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6258 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Fred Gan Section: 5.6.5 Original Text ------------- For example, with these modules: module a { yang-version 1.1; namespace "urn:example:a"; prefix "a"; import b { revision-date 2015-01-01; } import c; revision 2015-01-01; Corrected Text -------------- For example, with these modules: module a { yang-version 1.1; namespace "urn:example:a"; prefix "a"; import b { revision-date 2015-01-01; prefix b; } import c { prefix c; } revision 2015-01-01; Notes ----- As is considered in 7.1.5, The mandatory "prefix" substatement assigns a prefix for the imported module that is scoped to the importing module or submodule. So, there should be a prefix substatement in the "import b" and "import c" statement respectively. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC7950 (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis-14) -------------------------------------- Title : The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language Publication Date : August 2016 Author(s) : M. Bjorklund, Ed. 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Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:48:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20200820.084839.719222196447470053.id@4668.se> To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: warren@kumari.net, rwilton@cisco.com, joelja@bogus.com, kent+ietf@watsen.net, lberger@labn.net, netmod@ietf.org, ganshaolong@vip.qq.com From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rklund?= In-Reply-To: <20200820064216.5192DF4079F@rfc-editor.org> References: <20200820064216.5192DF4079F@rfc-editor.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 26.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7950 (6258) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 06:48:46 -0000 Hi, This errata is correct and should be accepted. /martin RFC Errata System wrote: > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7950, > "The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language". > > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6258 > > -------------------------------------- > Type: Technical > Reported by: Fred Gan > > Section: 5.6.5 > > Original Text > ------------- > For example, with these modules: > > module a { > yang-version 1.1; > namespace "urn:example:a"; > prefix "a"; > > import b { > revision-date 2015-01-01; > } > import c; > > revision 2015-01-01; > > > Corrected Text > -------------- > For example, with these modules: > > module a { > yang-version 1.1; > namespace "urn:example:a"; > prefix "a"; > > import b { > revision-date 2015-01-01; > prefix b; > } > import c { > prefix c; > } > > revision 2015-01-01; > > > Notes > ----- > As is considered in 7.1.5, The mandatory "prefix" substatement > assigns a prefix for the imported module that is scoped to the > importing module or submodule. > > So, there should be a prefix substatement in the "import b" and > "import c" statement respectively. > > Instructions: > ------------- > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > -------------------------------------- > RFC7950 (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis-14) > -------------------------------------- > Title : The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language > Publication Date : August 2016 > Author(s) : M. Bjorklund, Ed. > Category : PROPOSED STANDARD > Source : Network Modeling > Area : Operations and Management > Stream : IETF > Verifying Party : IESG > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > From nobody Thu Aug 20 02:30:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972563A0A84 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:30:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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I agree. I've leave this for a week in case anyone has any further comment, but othe= rwise will mark this as verified. Regards, Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Bj=F6rklund > Sent: 20 August 2020 07:49 > To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > Cc: warren@kumari.net; Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; > joelja@bogus.com; kent+ietf@watsen.net; lberger@labn.net; netmod@ietf.org= ; > ganshaolong@vip.qq.com > Subject: Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7950 (6258) >=20 > Hi, >=20 > This errata is correct and should be accepted. >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 >=20 > RFC Errata System wrote: > > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7950, > > "The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language". > > > > -------------------------------------- > > You may review the report below and at: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6258 > > > > -------------------------------------- > > Type: Technical > > Reported by: Fred Gan > > > > Section: 5.6.5 > > > > Original Text > > ------------- > > For example, with these modules: > > > > module a { > > yang-version 1.1; > > namespace "urn:example:a"; > > prefix "a"; > > > > import b { > > revision-date 2015-01-01; > > } > > import c; > > > > revision 2015-01-01; > > > > > > Corrected Text > > -------------- > > For example, with these modules: > > > > module a { > > yang-version 1.1; > > namespace "urn:example:a"; > > prefix "a"; > > > > import b { > > revision-date 2015-01-01; > > prefix b; > > } > > import c { > > prefix c; > > } > > > > revision 2015-01-01; > > > > > > Notes > > ----- > > As is considered in 7.1.5, The mandatory "prefix" substatement > > assigns a prefix for the imported module that is scoped to the > > importing module or submodule. > > > > So, there should be a prefix substatement in the "import b" and > > "import c" statement respectively. > > > > Instructions: > > ------------- > > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > > > -------------------------------------- > > RFC7950 (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis-14) > > -------------------------------------- > > Title : The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language > > Publication Date : August 2016 > > Author(s) : M. Bjorklund, Ed. > > Category : PROPOSED STANDARD > > Source : Network Modeling > > Area : Operations and Management > > Stream : IETF > > Verifying Party : IESG > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > From nobody Wed Aug 26 05:54:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9063A0C99 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 05:54:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 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<20200826195527.dfl45srxuqprmhlm@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" , Ladislav Lhotka , "netmod@ietf.org" References: <5CF24083-4126-4BE0-93F1-9A36F6DE9296@cisco.com> <20200811.164556.608015447238311339.id@4668.se> <878sekb885.fsf@nic.cz> <11245BD3-6E79-4F02-9962-53BE87264460@cisco.com> <20200813102302.xwowkncgur4s7yuc@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:55:34 -0000 On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 05:43:27PM +0000, Joe Clarke (jclarke) wrote: >=20 >=20 > > On Aug 13, 2020, at 06:23, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > >=20 > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:37:18AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> $ pyang -f yin ietf-inet-types.yang | xmllint --c14n - | sha256sum > >> 8d1ca8f30566ce8cbeffa095e20642f8f6e9f3a724286be4ead863b4467dc40b - > >>=20 > >> might be a very good start. It is certainly much more robust than > >> relying on a simple checksum of the YANG module text. > >=20 > > This work started with the need for _semantic_ version numbers and no= w > > we are down to hashes of modules? Do we still have a clear idea which > > problem we are solving? >=20 > Sorry for the delay. I was traveling and then trying to get caught bac= k up. Yes, things got off track a bit here. >=20 > >=20 > > - Sane development environments use version control systems, we shoul= d > > in my view not attempt to go there. We should assume that people > > developing YANG modules use version control systems to track > > changes. >=20 > Agreed. And through that development, we are not trying to impose any = versioning up to the point that a module would be published (e.g., in a d= raft where it might be implemented). Certainly, people could also pull a= nd implement any arbitrary revision from a VCS, but we haven=E2=80=99t cr= eated any text to cover that (nor do I think we want to impose that each = commit revs some version in the module itself). >=20 > >=20 > > - There apparently is a need for a packaging system that can express > > which combinations of YANG module version are known to work > > together. > >=20 > > The YANG versioning work was driven (I think) by the desire to > > support non-backwards compatible changes (section 4 of > > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-03). Why do we end up > > discussing how to calculate hashes or the impact of whitespace > > changes? Whitespace and layout changes are backwards compatible, > > even today's YANG versioning rules handle them well. >=20 > The intent, at least for the whitespace changes was at a module release= time to indicate what constitutes a version bump. But the question coul= d likely be rephrased. Would one change the _revision_ of a module for a= ny of the changes mentioned thus far? And if a new revision is created, = and semantic versioning is used a revision-label scheme, then that revisi= on should have a new version label. At least this was the opinion of the= contributors in the regular weekly calls. > The goal of the effort was to allow for non-backwards compatible changes. Backwards compatible changes already work today (and white space changes are obviously backwards compatible). If you want to _publish_ a module with just whitespace changes, it is defined how to do this. I would find it way more important to mark which specific definitions had backwards incompatible changes (plus perhaps hints how to deal with them) instead of sticking a label on an entire module and then to let others figure out what this label actually means for them (and ultimately it is then the package maintainer's job to dig out which revision sets can meaningfully work together). If I make a non-backwards compatible change to the definition of object-identifier in ietf-yang-types, then likely >98% of the modules importing ietf-yang-types will not at all be affected by this. Still I would have to declare a major version change triggering a lot of 'uhm, ehm, what'. Expressing incompatibilities at the module level is pretty arbitrary since the way definitions are organized into modules is already somewhat arbitrary. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Aug 27 10:21:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36113A10DA for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 10:21:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no 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jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10028) with ESMTP id jFLf0UWvJ4pz; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 09:30:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.218.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A69AB20154; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 09:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 09:30:34 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20200828073034.iq3ow4tpyxq2hfpq@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" , "netmod@ietf.org" References: <5CF24083-4126-4BE0-93F1-9A36F6DE9296@cisco.com> <20200811.164556.608015447238311339.id@4668.se> <878sekb885.fsf@nic.cz> <11245BD3-6E79-4F02-9962-53BE87264460@cisco.com> <20200813102302.xwowkncgur4s7yuc@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <20200826195527.dfl45srxuqprmhlm@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <18AE715A-1FD8-4981-BEB6-7778A84B91A0@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <18AE715A-1FD8-4981-BEB6-7778A84B91A0@cisco.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 07:30:40 -0000 On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 05:21:13PM +0000, Joe Clarke (jclarke) wrote: > > If I make a non-backwards compatible change to the definition of > object-identifier in ietf-yang-types, then likely >98% of the modules > importing ietf-yang-types will not at all be affected by this. Still I > would have to declare a major version change triggering a lot of 'uhm, > ehm, what'. Expressing incompatibilities at the module level is pretty > arbitrary since the way definitions are organized into modules is > already somewhat arbitrary. > > I feel the hint is still helpful, especially for those that may be in the <2% group, whereas not causing an undue burden given that without it, that >98% group would have to take every module change and analyze them for relevant changes. > If you mark the definitions that changed, tools can do the work to figure out whether importing modules are affected or not. This is relatively straight forward for a compiler that already knows what is used and what is not used, this does not require much magic. Instead, the approch taken here is to provide a somewhat vague warning indicator (the version number) at the module level and then you rely on tools (or humans) to identify semantic changes. And tools will likely fail if semantics in descriptions have changed or they will fail to decide whether two regular expressions are backwards compatible or not or if a must statement is equivalent to a previous when statement in a certain context. For the person making the change, however, it is fairly easy to leave a mark since he/she can be expected to understand the nature of the change. It turns out that we already have some marks in the form of the status statement. We can mark definitions as deprecated or obsolete. We do not have a value to say 'changed' in an nbc way and we do not have a mechanism to document the history of status changes for a given definition, but that is easy to engineer into YANG. /js PS: I assume that we focus on 'published' YANG modules where the nbc change churn is reasonably under control. 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<01000173fe74b0c3-c08431ec-fea7-484b-a53a-6123c4c842d6-000000@email.amazonses.com> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <957eab1e-0046-552a-442f-c38a619b600b@labn.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 14:40:20 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01000173fe74b0c3-c08431ec-fea7-484b-a53a-6123c4c842d6-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DB8F01D9C0629C5D2C01971A" Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1kC5m5-003CxX-HU X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:28937 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 10 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 18:40:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DB8F01D9C0629C5D2C01971A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, A couple of comments: - As a co-author or YANG Module Tags, I'm thrilled to see it being used/augmented by this document, but I'm not clear on how the metric and operation type tags are to be used.  To me these seem to be best defined by the modules themselves, e.g., does a value represent an average /sum/min/max value or the scale of the value, and not as tag meta data.   Similarly, the type of vpn supported by a tunnel also seems like module data and not tag meta data, as this is a per tunnel instance value. While the work was previously presented to the WG, I know you didn't have the time we all hoped for to discuss this at the last session, so I (personally, not as chair) would like to ask you to explain this on the list prior to adoption.  I'm hoping I'm just missing something, but from the discussion with Juergen an Andy I suspect not. - Since this work is derived from work that I contributed to, I'd be interested in hearing what new mechanism(s) is/are covered by the IPR disclosure prior to supporting WG adoption.  I'm not asking in order to debate this, as that is something for other venues, I'm merely asking that you state for the record what new mechanism is covered. Thank you Lou (as WG contributor and co-author of draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags) On 8/17/2020 6:05 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-05 > > Please voice your support or objections on list before August 31. > > Notes: >    1)  -03 was presented during the 108 session, hence the I-D has > been updated twice since then. >    2) Please be aware that IPR has been filed for this I-D: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags. > > Netmod Chairs > > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --------------DB8F01D9C0629C5D2C01971A Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,

A couple of comments:

- As a co-author or YANG Module Tags, I'm thrilled to see it being used/augmented by this document, but I'm not clear on how the metric and operation type tags are to be used.  To me these seem to be best defined by the modules themselves, e.g., does a value represent an average /sum/min/max value or the scale of the value, and not as tag meta data.   Similarly, the type of vpn supported by a tunnel also seems like module data and not tag meta data, as this is a per tunnel instance value.

While the work was previously presented to the WG, I know you didn't have the time we all hoped for to discuss this at the last session, so I (personally, not as chair) would like to ask you to explain this on the list prior to adoption.  I'm hoping I'm just missing something, but from the discussion with Juergen an Andy I suspect not.

- Since this work is derived from work that I contributed to, I'd be interested in hearing what new mechanism(s) is/are covered by the IPR disclosure prior to supporting WG adoption.  I'm not asking in order to debate this, as that is something for other venues, I'm merely asking that you state for the record what new mechanism is covered.

Thank you

Lou

(as WG contributor and co-author of draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags)


On 8/17/2020 6:05 PM, Kent Watsen wrote:
This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:

    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-05

Please voice your support or objections on list before August 31.  

Notes:
   1)  -03 was presented during the 108 session, hence the I-D has been updated twice since then.
   2) Please be aware that IPR has been filed for this I-D:

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Thanks Lou for valuabl= e comments, please see reply inline below.

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Lou Berger [ma= ilto:lberger@labn.net]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4:<= /span> 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C230=C8=D5 2:40
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net>; netmod@ietf.org; draf= t-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags=

 

Hi,

A couple of comments:

- As a co-author or YANG Module Tags, I'm thrilled = to see it being used/augmented by this document, but I'm not clear on how t= he metric and operation type tags are to be used.  To me these seem to= be best defined by the modules themselves, e.g., does a value represent an average /sum/min/max value or the scale of= the value, and not as tag meta data.  

[Qin]:Just to clarify, defining metric and= operation type by modules themselves may cause revising all the existing p= ublished modules we expect to tag, or creating the same number of new modules (augment from the existing published module= s) as the number of targeted existing modules, which is not scalable and de= sirable. So we abandon this option in our implementation design.=

The data object tags like metric and opera= tion type tag don't introduce any new data nodes into existing modules and = can tag any performance metric related data object within published modules, standard modules, native modules without module = name change. The data object tag can not be used to tag any one of targeted= modules (ietf-geo-location defined in draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location or ie= tf-ip in RFC8344) which doesn't include performance metric related data node.

Regarding operation type tag, take ietf-in= terfaces in RFC8343 as an example, ietf-interfaces include interface statis= tics data object which can be seen as performance metric related data objects,

       =     +--ro statistics

       =        +--ro discontinuity-time &nbs= p;  yang:date-and-time

       =        +--ro in-octets?   =          yang:counter64<= /span>

       =        +--ro in-unicast-pkts?  =     yang:counter64

       =        +--ro in-broadcast-pkts? &nbs= p;  yang:counter64

       =        +--ro in-multicast-pkts? &nbs= p;  yang:counter64

       =        +--ro in-discards?  &nbs= p;       yang:counter32

       =        +--ro in-errors?   =          yang:counter32<= /span>

       =        +--ro in-unknown-protos? &nbs= p;  yang:counter32

       =        +--ro out-octets?   = ;        yang:counter64

       =        +--ro out-unicast-pkts?  = ;   yang:counter64

       =        +--ro out-broadcast-pkts? &nb= sp; yang:counter64

       =        +--ro out-multicast-pkts? &nb= sp; yang:counter64

       =        +--ro out-discards?  &nb= sp;      yang:counter32

       =        +--ro out-errors?   = ;        yang:counter32

however these statistics doesn't tell you = whether in-errors is current value or average value or total value, so does= count related data objects defined in ietf-dhcpv6-server of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-yang

       =      +--ro solicit-count?    &n= bsp;          uint32

       =      +--ro advertise-count?    =          uint32

       =      +--ro request-count?    &n= bsp;          uint32

       =      +--ro confirm-count?    &n= bsp;          uint32

       =      +--ro renew-count?    &nbs= p;            uint32=

       =      +--ro rebind-count?    &nb= sp;           uint32=

       =      +--ro reply-count?    &nbs= p;            uint32=

       =      +--rw release-count?    &n= bsp;          uint32

       =      +--ro decline-count?    &n= bsp;          uint32

       =      +--ro reconfigure-count?   &nbs= p;       uint32

       =      +--ro information-request-count?   u= int32

The operation type tag is introduced to he= lp the network device who is responsible for collecting these statistics da= ta with specific operation type, tell the collectors the statistic related data object reporting current value or average value= .

For the scale of the value, talking with B= enoit earlier, we think metric scale may be overlapping with the range stat= ement, the idea is to provide consistent reporting and representation for some of statistics data we want to tag. But if this= adds complexity, we are happy to take it out, so does metric precision.

Similarly, the type of vpn supported by a tunnel al= so seems like module data and not tag meta data, as this is a per tunnel in= stance value.

[Qin] See above, data object tag is *no= t used to replace module data*, instead, it is used to label these modu= le data as our interested subscribed objects. The label value or tag value is fixed upon it is defined.

Secondly, the precondition to use vpn serv= ice tag is the vpn service has already been decomposed into a set of config= uration data object of device modules. The idea is used the service tag as context information tag to correlate data objec= ts from different location of the same module or different module together,= the service tag is help glue different data objects together, These contex= t information tag can be analogous to context trace defined in https://www.w3.org/2018/distributed-tracing/.

Also if module tag can be repurposed at th= e data node level, I am happy to reuse module tag defined in draft-ietf-net= mod-module-tags-10. So vpn related tag is not needed in this draft. Anyway I am open about these tags.=

While the work was previously presented to the WG, = I know you didn't have the time we all hoped for to discuss this at the las= t session, so I (personally, not as chair) would like to ask you to explain= this on the list prior to adoption.  I'm hoping I'm just missing something, but from the discussion with Juerge= n an Andy I suspect not.

[Qin]: See above clarification, we did hav= e discussion with Jurgen regarding these issues on the list and have alread= y made new version to address Jurgen's early raised points.

One typical case for metric and operation-= type tag is: these data object tags can be advertised to the subscribers to= gether with data object xpath *before* a "pub/sub" service for YANG datastore updates and tell subscrib= ers to specify selection filter targeted to specific category data objects,= e.g., performance metric related data object, which help reduce massive da= ta collection and processing and avoid multiple steps subscription.

In addition, when operation type tag is ca= rried together with the metric tag, operation type will further classify th= e same performance metric data objects based on different operation types, make sure the same operation type data object c= an be aggregated together, aggregate average value data object with min val= ue data object doesn't make sense.

Another case is: Suppose fetch all subscri= bed objects in all the relevant device modules to the subscribers in  = one time is not issues, these data object objects tags can also help subscriber to process the subscribed untagged data objects a= nd hit characteristics data or KPI data objects within the retrieved subscr= ibed objects.

- Since this work is derived from work that I contr= ibuted to, I'd be interested in hearing what new mechanism(s) is/are covere= d by the IPR disclosure prior to supporting WG adoption.  I'm not aski= ng in order to debate this, as that is something for other venues, I'm merely asking that you state for the recor= d what new mechanism is covered.

[Qin] Thanks for asking, different from mo= dule level tag defined in draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags , this work provide= data node level tag definition, use these data node level tag definition to provide hint or indication to selection filte= r in the YANG push and tell the collector or subscriber which specific cate= gory data objects needs to fetched.

Thank you

Lou

(as WG contributor and co-author of draft-ietf-netm= od-module-tags)

 

On 8/17/2020 6:05 PM, Kent Wats= en wrote:

= This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:

    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-t= ags-05

Please vo= ice your support or objections on list before August 31.  <= /span>

&nbs= p;

Notes:

  &n= bsp;1)  -03 was presented during the 108 session, hence the I-D has be= en updated twice since then.

  &n= bsp;2) Please be aware that IPR has been filed for this I-D:

 

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Sun, 30 Aug 2020 12:04:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 12:04:38 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Qin Wu Cc: Lou Berger , Kent Watsen , "netmod@ietf.org" , "draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20200830100438.5if4htfeutfa5d4k@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: Qin Wu , Lou Berger , Kent Watsen , "netmod@ietf.org" , "draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags@ietf.org" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 14:38:40 -0000 On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 09:00:46AM +0000, Qin Wu wrote: > > Regarding operation type tag, take ietf-interfaces in RFC8343 as an > example, ietf-interfaces include interface statistics data object > which can be seen as performance metric related data objects, [...] > however these statistics doesn't tell you whether in-errors is > current value or average value or total value, Wrong. The semantics of the counter types provided by ietf-yang-types are well defined. > so does count related data objects defined in ietf-dhcpv6-server of > draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-yang [...] These leafs are poorly defined and I expact that this will be fixed before publication. (Standards for counters are relatively useless if everybody implements different counters.) /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Sun Aug 30 08:22:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58D13A0AE7; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 08:22:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OOxfMEStjnS4; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 08:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de (atlas5.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3ABA3A0AE5; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 08:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99520D28; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 12:51:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.198]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id GzPCbmSfhgfb; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 12:51:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "DFN-Verein Global Issuing CA" (verified OK)) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 12:51:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4415020156; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 12:51:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10028) with ESMTP id Anz0eDGGdxgV; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 12:51:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.218.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAE1020154; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 12:51:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 12:51:49 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Qin Wu Cc: Lou Berger , Kent Watsen , "netmod@ietf.org" , "draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20200830105149.dgf5qtmfraxc6hwb@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: Qin Wu , Lou Berger , Kent Watsen , "netmod@ietf.org" , "draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags@ietf.org" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 15:22:22 -0000 On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 10:40:36AM +0000, Qin Wu wrote: > > Wrong. The semantics of the counter types provided by ietf-yang-types are well defined. > > [Qin]: I agree counter types in ietf-yang-types are well defined. > If counter types can help distinguish avg value from min, max, sum value, current value, I am > happy to adopt it, however I fail to see ietf-yang-types can do that and I don't think distinguishing avg from min,max etc > is the job of ietf-yang-types. It add complexity if going with that direction, in my understanding. You miss my point: The specification of a leaf needs to be clear what it is. 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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Qin, Thank you for your reply.I think you have two points below (a) tags to define metric type and (b) object-specific tags For me, I believe I agree with Juergen's comments, i.e.,  that metric type definition is not metadata and belongs in the module definition. On the other topic (b) object-specific tags is an interesting idea and may provide general utility.  (as contributor) once separated from the metrics discussion, this seems like an idea worth discussing in the WG to see if there is interest in this added capability. Lou ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On August 30, 2020 5:01:28 AM Qin Wu wrote: > Thanks Lou for valuable comments, please see reply inline below. > > *å‘件人:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > *å‘é€æ—¶é—´:*2020å¹´8月30æ—¥2:40 > *收件人:*Kent Watsen ; netmod@ietf.org; > draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags@ietf.org > *主题:*Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags > > Hi, > > A couple of comments: > > - As a co-author or YANG Module Tags, I'm thrilled to see it being > used/augmented by this document, but I'm not clear on how the metric > and operation type tags are to be used.  To me these seem to be best > defined by the modules themselves, e.g., does a value represent an > average /sum/min/max value or the scale of the value, and not as tag > meta data. > > [Qin]:Just to clarify, defining metric and operation type by modules > themselves may cause revising all the existing published modules we > expect to tag, or creating the same number of new modules (augment > from the existing published modules) as the number of targeted > existing modules, which is not scalable and desirable. So we abandon > this option in our implementation design. > > The data object tags like metric and operation type tag don't > introduce any new data nodes into existing modules and can tag any > performance metric related data object within published modules, > standard modules, native modules without module name change. The data > object tag can not be used to tag any one of targeted modules > (ietf-geo-location defined in draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location or > ietf-ip in RFC8344) which doesn't include performance metric related > data node. > > Regarding operation type tag, take ietf-interfaces in RFC8343 as an > example, ietf-interfaces include interface statistics data object > which can be seen as performance metric related data objects, > >            +--ro statistics > >               +--ro discontinuity-time yang:date-and-time > >               +--ro in-octets? yang:counter64 > >               +--ro in-unicast-pkts? yang:counter64 > >               +--ro in-broadcast-pkts? yang:counter64 > >               +--ro in-multicast-pkts? yang:counter64 > >               +--ro in-discards? yang:counter32 > >               +--ro in-errors? yang:counter32 > >               +--ro in-unknown-protos? yang:counter32 > >               +--ro out-octets? yang:counter64 > >               +--ro out-unicast-pkts? yang:counter64 > >               +--ro out-broadcast-pkts? yang:counter64 > >               +--ro out-multicast-pkts? yang:counter64 > >               +--ro out-discards? yang:counter32 > >               +--ro out-errors? yang:counter32 > > however these statistics doesn't tell you whether in-errors is current > value or average value or total value, so does count related data > objects defined in ietf-dhcpv6-server of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-yang > >             +--ro solicit-count?               uint32 > >             +--ro advertise-count?             uint32 > >             +--ro request-count?               uint32 > >             +--ro confirm-count?               uint32 > >             +--ro renew-count?                 uint32 > >             +--ro rebind-count?                uint32 > >             +--ro reply-count?                 uint32 > >             +--rw release-count?               uint32 > >             +--ro decline-count?               uint32 > >             +--ro reconfigure-count?           uint32 > >             +--ro information-request-count?   uint32 > > The operation type tag is introduced to help the network device who is > responsible for collecting these statistics data with specific > operation type, tell the collectors the statistic related data object > reporting current value or average value. > > For the scale of the value, talking with Benoit earlier, we think > metric scale may be overlapping with the range statement, the idea is > to provide consistent reporting and representation for some of > statistics data we want to tag. But if this adds complexity, we are > happy to take it out, so does metric precision. > > Similarly, the type of vpn supported by a tunnel also seems like > module data and not tag meta data, as this is a per tunnel instance value. > > [Qin] See above, data object tag is **not used to replace module > data**, instead, it is used to label these module data as our > interested subscribed objects. The label value or tag value is fixed > upon it is defined. > > Secondly, the precondition to use vpn service tag is the vpn service > has already been decomposed into a set of configuration data object of > device modules. The idea is used the service tag as context > information tag to correlate data objects from different location of > the same module or different module together, the service tag is help > glue different data objects together, These context information tag > can be analogous to context trace defined in > https://www.w3.org/2018/distributed-tracing/ > . > > Also if module tag can be repurposed at the data node level, I am > happy to reuse module tag defined in draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-10. > So vpn related tag is not needed in this draft. Anyway I am open about > these tags. > > While the work was previously presented to the WG, I know you didn't > have the time we all hoped for to discuss this at the last session, so > I (personally, not as chair) would like to ask you to explain this on > the list prior to adoption.  I'm hoping I'm just missing something, > but from the discussion with Juergen an Andy I suspect not. > > [Qin]: See above clarification, we did have discussion with Jurgen > regarding these issues on the list and have already made new version > to address Jurgen's early raised points. > > One typical case for metric and operation-type tag is: these data > object tags can be advertised to the subscribers together with data > object xpath **before** a "pub/sub" service for YANG datastore updates > and tell subscribers to specify selection filter targeted to specific > category data objects, e.g., performance metric related data object, > which help reduce massive data collection and processing and avoid > multiple steps subscription. > > In addition, when operation type tag is carried together with the > metric tag, operation type will further classify the same performance > metric data objects based on different operation types, make sure the > same operation type data object can be aggregated together, aggregate > average value data object with min value data object doesn't make sense. > > Another case is: Suppose fetch all subscribed objects in all the > relevant device modules to the subscribers in  one time is not issues, > these data object objects tags can also help subscriber to process the > subscribed untagged data objects and hit characteristics data or KPI > data objects within the retrieved subscribed objects. > > - Since this work is derived from work that I contributed to, I'd be > interested in hearing what new mechanism(s) is/are covered by the IPR > disclosure prior to supporting WG adoption.  I'm not asking in order > to debate this, as that is something for other venues, I'm merely > asking that you state for the record what new mechanism is covered. > > [Qin] Thanks for asking, different from module level tag defined in > draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags , this work provide data node level tag > definition, use these data node level tag definition to provide hint > or indication to selection filter in the YANG push and tell the > collector or subscriber which specific category data objects needs to > fetched. > > Thank you > > Lou > > (as WG contributor and co-author of draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags) > > On 8/17/2020 6:05 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-05 > > Please voice your support or objections on list before August 31. > > Notes: > >    1)  -03 was presented during the 108 session, hence the I-D has > been updated twice since then. > >    2) Please be aware that IPR has been filed for this I-D: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags. > > Netmod Chairs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --------------931ADB78AF93994F4E0501FA Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Qin,

Thank you for your reply.I think you have two points below (a) tags to define metric type and (b) object-specific tags

For me, I believe I agree with Juergen's comments, i.e.,  that metric type definition is not metadata and belongs in the module definition.

On the other topic (b) object-specific tags is an interesting idea and may provide general utility.  (as contributor) once separated from the metrics discussion, this seems like an idea worth discussing in the WG to see if there is interest in this added capability.

Lou

On August 30, 2020 5:01:28 AM Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com> wrote:

Thanks Lou for valuable comments, please see reply inline below.

å‘件人: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
å‘é€æ—¶é—´: 2020å¹´8月30æ—¥ 2:40
收件人: Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net>; netmod@ietf.org; draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags@ietf.org
主题: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags

 

Hi,

A couple of comments:

- As a co-author or YANG Module Tags, I'm thrilled to see it being used/augmented by this document, but I'm not clear on how the metric and operation type tags are to be used.  To me these seem to be best defined by the modules themselves, e.g., does a value represent an average /sum/min/max value or the scale of the value, and not as tag meta data.  

[Qin]:Just to clarify, defining metric and operation type by modules themselves may cause revising all the existing published modules we expect to tag, or creating the same number of new modules (augment from the existing published modules) as the number of targeted existing modules, which is not scalable and desirable. So we abandon this option in our implementation design.

The data object tags like metric and operation type tag don't introduce any new data nodes into existing modules and can tag any performance metric related data object within published modules, standard modules, native modules without module name change. The data object tag can not be used to tag any one of targeted modules (ietf-geo-location defined in draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location or ietf-ip in RFC8344) which doesn't include performance metric related data node.

Regarding operation type tag, take ietf-interfaces in RFC8343 as an example, ietf-interfaces include interface statistics data object which can be seen as performance metric related data objects,

           +--ro statistics

              +--ro discontinuity-time    yang:date-and-time

              +--ro in-octets?            yang:counter64

              +--ro in-unicast-pkts?      yang:counter64

              +--ro in-broadcast-pkts?    yang:counter64

              +--ro in-multicast-pkts?    yang:counter64

              +--ro in-discards?          yang:counter32

              +--ro in-errors?            yang:counter32

              +--ro in-unknown-protos?    yang:counter32

              +--ro out-octets?           yang:counter64

              +--ro out-unicast-pkts?     yang:counter64

              +--ro out-broadcast-pkts?   yang:counter64

              +--ro out-multicast-pkts?   yang:counter64

              +--ro out-discards?         yang:counter32

              +--ro out-errors?           yang:counter32

however these statistics doesn't tell you whether in-errors is current value or average value or total value, so does count related data objects defined in ietf-dhcpv6-server of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-yang

            +--ro solicit-count?               uint32

            +--ro advertise-count?             uint32

            +--ro request-count?               uint32

            +--ro confirm-count?               uint32

            +--ro renew-count?                 uint32

            +--ro rebind-count?                uint32

            +--ro reply-count?                 uint32

            +--rw release-count?               uint32

            +--ro decline-count?               uint32

            +--ro reconfigure-count?           uint32

            +--ro information-request-count?   uint32

The operation type tag is introduced to help the network device who is responsible for collecting these statistics data with specific operation type, tell the collectors the statistic related data object reporting current value or average value.

For the scale of the value, talking with Benoit earlier, we think metric scale may be overlapping with the range statement, the idea is to provide consistent reporting and representation for some of statistics data we want to tag. But if this adds complexity, we are happy to take it out, so does metric precision.

Similarly, the type of vpn supported by a tunnel also seems like module data and not tag meta data, as this is a per tunnel instance value.

[Qin] See above, data object tag is *not used to replace module data*, instead, it is used to label these module data as our interested subscribed objects. The label value or tag value is fixed upon it is defined.

Secondly, the precondition to use vpn service tag is the vpn service has already been decomposed into a set of configuration data object of device modules. The idea is used the service tag as context information tag to correlate data objects from different location of the same module or different module together, the service tag is help glue different data objects together, These context information tag can be analogous to context trace defined in https://www.w3.org/2018/distributed-tracing/.

Also if module tag can be repurposed at the data node level, I am happy to reuse module tag defined in draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-10. So vpn related tag is not needed in this draft. Anyway I am open about these tags.

While the work was previously presented to the WG, I know you didn't have the time we all hoped for to discuss this at the last session, so I (personally, not as chair) would like to ask you to explain this on the list prior to adoption.  I'm hoping I'm just missing something, but from the discussion with Juergen an Andy I suspect not.

[Qin]: See above clarification, we did have discussion with Jurgen regarding these issues on the list and have already made new version to address Jurgen's early raised points.

One typical case for metric and operation-type tag is: these data object tags can be advertised to the subscribers together with data object xpath *before* a "pub/sub" service for YANG datastore updates and tell subscribers to specify selection filter targeted to specific category data objects, e.g., performance metric related data object, which help reduce massive data collection and processing and avoid multiple steps subscription.

In addition, when operation type tag is carried together with the metric tag, operation type will further classify the same performance metric data objects based on different operation types, make sure the same operation type data object can be aggregated together, aggregate average value data object with min value data object doesn't make sense.

Another case is: Suppose fetch all subscribed objects in all the relevant device modules to the subscribers in  one time is not issues, these data object objects tags can also help subscriber to process the subscribed untagged data objects and hit characteristics data or KPI data objects within the retrieved subscribed objects.

- Since this work is derived from work that I contributed to, I'd be interested in hearing what new mechanism(s) is/are covered by the IPR disclosure prior to supporting WG adoption.  I'm not asking in order to debate this, as that is something for other venues, I'm merely asking that you state for the record what new mechanism is covered.

[Qin] Thanks for asking, different from module level tag defined in draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags , this work provide data node level tag definition, use these data node level tag definition to provide hint or indication to selection filter in the YANG push and tell the collector or subscriber which specific category data objects needs to fetched.

Thank you

Lou

(as WG contributor and co-author of draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags)

 

On 8/17/2020 6:05 PM, Kent Watsen wrote:

This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:

    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-05

Please voice your support or objections on list before August 31.  

 

Notes:

   1)  -03 was presented during the 108 session, hence the I-D has been updated twice since then.

   2) Please be aware that IPR has been filed for this I-D:

 

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<20200831220906.E9155F40771@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 15:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] =?utf-8?q?RFC_8808_on_A_YANG_Data_Model_for_Factory_Def?= =?utf-8?q?ault_Settings?= X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 22:09:20 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8808 Title: A YANG Data Model for Factory Default Settings Author: Q. Wu, B. Lengyel, Y. Niu Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: August 2020 Mailbox: bill.wu@huawei.com, balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com, niuye@huawei.com Pages: 10 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-15.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8808 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8808 This document defines a YANG data model with the "factory-reset" RPC to allow clients to reset a server back to its factory default condition. It also defines an optional "factory-default" datastore to allow clients to read the factory default configuration for the device. The YANG data model in this document conforms to the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA) defined in RFC 8342. This document is a product of the Network Modeling Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. 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Hi all,

I have the same understanding as Yingzhen=A3=ACand support the adoptio= n of this draft.

Regards,
Peng Liu

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=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; Qin Wu <= bill.wu@huawei.com>; Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net>; netmod@ie= tf.org <netmod@ietf.org>; draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags@ietf.org &l= t;draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags@ietf.org>
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-n= ode-tags
 

Hi,

 

Here is my understanding of the node-tag draft. = Please correct me if there is any misunderstanding.

 

This draft is an idea extension of the module-ta= g draft. Module-tag is to tag or categorize modules, for example, tag =A1= =B0ietf:routing=A1=B1 can be used to =A1=B0group=A1=B1 together modules like ietf-routing,= ietf-ospf etc, so users know easily that these modules are from the same c= ategory, and using this tag, they can further find all =A1=B0ietf:routing=A1=B1 modules as ietf-isis etc. A tag is not meant to a= dd or change functionalities of existing modules. Similarly, node-tag is to= add tags at node level, like Lou=A1=AFs point (b), it may provide some gen= eral functions.

 

I support the WG to adopt this idea and continue= to work on it. Of course the draft needs some clarifications and good exam= ples.

 

Thanks,

Yingzhen

From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf = of Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
Date: Monday, August 31, 2020 at 6:29 AM
To: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@wat= sen.net>, "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org>, "dra= ft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags@ietf.org" <draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-= tags@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-t= ags
Resent-From: <yingzhen.qu@huawei.com>

 

Qin,

Thank you for your reply.I think you have two points = below (a) tags to define metric type and (b) object-specific tags

For me, I believe I agree with Juergen's comments, i.= e.,  that metric type definition is not metadata and belongs in the mo= dule definition.

On the other topic (b) object-specific tags is an int= eresting idea and may provide general utility.  (as contributor) once = separated from the metrics discussion, this seems like an idea worth discussing in the WG to see if there is interest = in this added capability.

Lou

On August 30, 2020 5:01:28 AM Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com> wrote:=

Thanks Lou for valuable comments,= please see reply inline below.

 

Hi,

A couple of comments:

- As a co-author or YANG Module Tags, I'm th= rilled to see it being used/augmented by this document, but I'm not clear o= n how the metric and operation type tags are to be used.  To me these = seem to be best defined by the modules themselves, e.g., does a value represent an average /sum/min/max value or = the scale of the value, and not as tag meta data.  

[Qin]:Just to clarify, defining metric and operation ty= pe by modules themselves may cause revising all the existing published modu= les we expect to tag, or creating the same number of new modules (augment from the existing published modules) as the number= of targeted existing modules, which is not scalable and desirable. So we a= bandon this option in our implementation design.

The data object tags like metric and operation type tag= don't introduce any new data nodes into existing modules and can tag any p= erformance metric related data object within published modules, standard modules, native modules without module name ch= ange. The data object tag can not be used to tag any one of targeted module= s (ietf-geo-location defined in draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location or ietf-ip i= n RFC8344) which doesn't include performance metric related data node.

Regarding operation type tag, take ietf-interfaces in R= FC8343 as an example, ietf-interfaces include interface statistics data obj= ect which can be seen as performance metric related data objects,

         &= nbsp; +--ro statistics

         &= nbsp;    +--ro discontinuity-time    yang:dat= e-and-time

         &= nbsp;    +--ro in-octets?      = ;      yang:counter64

         &= nbsp;    +--ro in-unicast-pkts?     = ; yang:counter64

         &= nbsp;    +--ro in-broadcast-pkts?    yang:cou= nter64

         &= nbsp;    +--ro in-multicast-pkts?    yang:cou= nter64

         &= nbsp;    +--ro in-discards?     &nb= sp;    yang:counter32

         &= nbsp;    +--ro in-errors?      = ;      yang:counter32

         &= nbsp;    +--ro in-unknown-protos?    yang:cou= nter32

         &= nbsp;    +--ro out-octets?     &nbs= p;     yang:counter64

         &= nbsp;    +--ro out-unicast-pkts?     yan= g:counter64

         &= nbsp;    +--ro out-broadcast-pkts?   yang:counter6= 4

         &= nbsp;    +--ro out-multicast-pkts?   yang:counter6= 4

         &= nbsp;    +--ro out-discards?     &n= bsp;   yang:counter32

         &= nbsp;    +--ro out-errors?     &nbs= p;     yang:counter32

however these statistics doesn't tell you whether in-er= rors is current value or average value or total value, so does count relate= d data objects defined in ietf-dhcpv6-server of draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-yang

         &= nbsp;  +--ro solicit-count?       &= nbsp;       uint32

         &= nbsp;  +--ro advertise-count?       = ;      uint32

         &= nbsp;  +--ro request-count?       &= nbsp;       uint32

         &= nbsp;  +--ro confirm-count?       &= nbsp;       uint32

         &= nbsp;  +--ro renew-count?       &nb= sp;         uint32

         &= nbsp;  +--ro rebind-count?       &n= bsp;        uint32

         &= nbsp;  +--ro reply-count?       &nb= sp;         uint32

         &= nbsp;  +--rw release-count?       &= nbsp;       uint32

         &= nbsp;  +--ro decline-count?       &= nbsp;       uint32

         &= nbsp;  +--ro reconfigure-count?      &nb= sp;    uint32

         &= nbsp;  +--ro information-request-count?   uint32

The operation type tag is introduced to help the networ= k device who is responsible for collecting these statistics data with speci= fic operation type, tell the collectors the statistic related data object reporting current value or average value.

For the scale of the value, talking with Benoit earlier= , we think metric scale may be overlapping with the range statement, the id= ea is to provide consistent reporting and representation for some of statistics data we want to tag. But if this adds complexity, w= e are happy to take it out, so does metric precision.

Similarly, the type of vpn supported by a tu= nnel also seems like module data and not tag meta data, as this is a per tu= nnel instance value.

[Qin] See above, data object tag is *not used to rep= lace module data*, instead, it is used to label these module data as ou= r interested subscribed objects. The label value or tag value is fixed upon it is defined.

Secondly, the precondition to use vpn service tag is th= e vpn service has already been decomposed into a set of configuration data = object of device modules. The idea is used the service tag as context information tag to correlate data objects from diff= erent location of the same module or different module together, the service= tag is help glue different data objects together, These context informatio= n tag can be analogous to context trace defined in https://www.w3.org/2018/distributed-tracing/.

Also if module tag can be repurposed at the data node l= evel, I am happy to reuse module tag defined in draft-ietf-netmod-module-ta= gs-10. So vpn related tag is not needed in this draft. Anyway I am open about these tags.

While the work was previously presented to t= he WG, I know you didn't have the time we all hoped for to discuss this at = the last session, so I (personally, not as chair) would like to ask you to = explain this on the list prior to adoption.  I'm hoping I'm just missing something, but from the discus= sion with Juergen an Andy I suspect not.

[Qin]: See above clarification, we did have discussion = with Jurgen regarding these issues on the list and have already made new ve= rsion to address Jurgen's early raised points.

One typical case for metric and operation-type tag is: = these data object tags can be advertised to the subscribers together with d= ata object xpath *before* a "pub/sub" service for YANG datastore updates and tell subscribers to specify selecti= on filter targeted to specific category data objects, e.g., performance met= ric related data object, which help reduce massive data collection and proc= essing and avoid multiple steps subscription.

In addition, when operation type tag is carried togethe= r with the metric tag, operation type will further classify the same perfor= mance metric data objects based on different operation types, make sure the same operation type data object can be aggr= egated together, aggregate average value data object with min value data ob= ject doesn't make sense.

Another case is: Suppose fetch all subscribed objects i= n all the relevant device modules to the subscribers in  one time is n= ot issues, these data object objects tags can also help subscriber to process the subscribed untagged data objects and hit ch= aracteristics data or KPI data objects within the retrieved subscribed obje= cts.

- Since this work is derived from work that = I contributed to, I'd be interested in hearing what new mechanism(s) is/are= covered by the IPR disclosure prior to supporting WG adoption.  I'm n= ot asking in order to debate this, as that is something for other venues, I'm merely asking that you state for the re= cord what new mechanism is covered.

[Qin] Thanks for asking, different from module level ta= g defined in draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags , this work provide data node le= vel tag definition, use these data node level tag definition to provide hint or indication to selection filter in the YA= NG push and tell the collector or subscriber which specific category data o= bjects needs to fetched.

Thank you

Lou

(as WG contributor and co-author of draft-ie= tf-netmod-module-tags)

 

On 8/17/2020 6:05 PM, = Kent Watsen wrote:

This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:

    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-05

Please voice your supp= ort or objections on list before August 31.  

 

Notes:

   1)  = -03 was presented during the 108 session, hence the I-D has been updated tw= ice since then.

   2) Please= be aware that IPR has been filed for this I-D:

 

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