Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17146 for nmrg-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:19:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (schoenw@henkell [134.169.34.191]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17141; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:19:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from schoenw@localhost by henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.7.6/tubsibr) id KAA21026; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:19:52 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:19:52 +0200 Message-Id: <200007280819.KAA21026@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Network Management Research Group Subject: [nmrg] Monday morning in Pittsburgh Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Status: O Content-Length: 119 Lines: 5 I will be at the message board at 8:30 on Monday morning waiting for people who want to have breakfast together. /js Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07639 for nmrg-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:03:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (schoenw@henkell [134.169.34.191]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07631; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:03:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from schoenw@localhost by henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.7.6/tubsibr) id TAA05044; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:03:21 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:03:21 +0200 Message-Id: <200007261703.TAA05044@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Network Management Research Group Subject: [nmrg] Pittsburgh Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Status: O Content-Length: 500 Lines: 13 I would like to organize an informal NMRG meeting in Pittsburgh in order to chat a bit about what we have done so far, where we want to go and which road to take. In fact, I would like to discuss things as early as possible since I am going to present at the IETF plenary. So my proposal is to get together during breakfast on Monday morning in order to chat and to make plans for the rest of the IETF week. I will be around on Sunday evening in case some of you are already there. Comments? /js Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20751 for nmrg-outgoing; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:19:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (schoenw@henkell [134.169.34.191]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20742; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:18:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from schoenw@localhost by henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.7.6/tubsibr) id NAA24869; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:18:34 +0200 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:18:34 +0200 Message-Id: <200007241118.NAA24869@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: jp.martin-flatin@ieee.org CC: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, jp.martin-flatin@ieee.org In-reply-to: <200007080509.HAA29781@icasun1.epfl.ch> (jp.martin-flatin@ieee.org) Subject: Re: [nmrg] smi xml document References: <200007080509.HAA29781@icasun1.epfl.ch> Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Status: O Content-Length: 1270 Lines: 36 >>>>> J P Martin-Flatin writes: JP> Juergen and Frank, JP> I finally had the time to look at your DTD in more detail. Good JP> job! I have three questions: JP> 1) Why did you create the TEXT entity instead of using #PCDATA JP> directly, as people usually do? JP> 2) Does the VALUE entity add anything significant? I'm not sure. I will answer both question together. The reason for introducing these "intermediate" definitions is that there are additional constraints (e.g. how do you represent numbers) for things like TEXTs or VALUEs. It is not possible to describe all these constraints formally in XML. By introducing these "intermediate" "productions", we give things a name and we can use these names to say somewhere in the text surrounding the XML definitions what TEXT or VALUE really means. And this hopefully adds clarity to the specification. JP> 3) What would your DTD look like if you decided to drop support JP> for SMIng? Dropping SMIng? You are kidding. ;-) /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Technical University Braunschweig Dept. Operating Systems & Computer Networks Phone: +49 531 391 3289 Bueltenweg 74/75, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany Fax: +49 531 391 5936 Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13285 for nmrg-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:28:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from solaris.tecsiel.it ([195.31.151.66]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13280 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:28:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from tecsiel.it (solaris [193.43.104.7]) by solaris.tecsiel.it (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03298; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:28:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3972D1AF.5F326BD7@tecsiel.it> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:28:15 +0200 From: Luca Deri Reply-To: l.deri@tecsiel.it Organization: Finsiel S.p.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Network Management Research Group Subject: [nmrg] RMON Agent Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Status: O Content-Length: 1262 Lines: 31 Hi all, I apologise for this mail that's somehow off topic. A couple of years ago I started a project named ntop (http://www.ntop.org). ntop is a Unix/Win32 traffic monitoring application that allows people to view traffic statistics via web. Last month I've been contacted by Terena (http://www.terena.nl): they asked me whether I was interested in getting some money (about 20,000 Euro they said) for further developing ntop. It's a while I'm thinking to write an RMON 1-2 agent to put on the Internet under GPL (please note that the only freely available RMON agent [btng] is no longer supported). I believe the ntop engine could be used for getting traffic info, whereas UCD SNMP (or CMU) SNMP) could be used for the SNMP side. Terena (and me) would be happier is they can fund an internation project instead of a national project. If any of you is interested in this project, please contact me as I have to send Terena the project proposal by the end of this month. Thanks in advance, Luca -- Luca Deri Finsiel S.p.A. Via Matteucci 34/B 56124 Pisa, Italy. Ph. +39/050/968.639 Fax. +39/050/968.626 Email: l.deri@tecsiel.it WWW: http://www.tlcpi.finsiel.it/~deri/ ICQ: 68183632 Software is about stuff, about getting hands dirty - Jim Coplien Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04147 for nmrg-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:05:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04136; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:05:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cs.utwente.nl (utip074.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.12.43]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05353; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:05:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3969ADEA.EAD14A3F@cs.utwente.nl> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:05:14 +0200 From: Ron Sprenkels Organization: University of Twente X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Schoenwaelder CC: Network Management Research Group Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG meeting in Pittsburgh? References: <200007031451.QAA10385@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Status: O Content-Length: 598 Lines: 16 Hi Juergen, > I would like to know how many on this list happen to be at the > upcoming IETF in Pittsburgh and whether there is interest to hold an > official "work meeting" - which is different from just having a nice > dinner together. Please drop me a note. I won't be in Pittsburgh. Ron. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Sprenkels sprenkel@cs.utwente.nl http://www.cs.utwente.nl/~sprenkel University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, TSS Management group P.O. Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands. (Tel. +31 53 489 4663) Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02837 for nmrg-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:46:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alemail1.firewall.lucent.com (alemail1.lucent.com [192.11.221.161]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02832; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:46:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alemail1.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27899; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 06:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by alemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27853; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 06:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:45:58 +0200 Message-ID: <2413FED0DFE6D111B3F90008C7FA61FB081B462B@nl0006exch002u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Cc: Network Management Research Group Subject: RE: [nmrg] NMRG meeting in Pittsburgh? Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:45:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Status: O Content-Length: 690 Lines: 19 If I am not tied up in other IETF related meetings, then I will attend Bert > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > > I would like to know how many on this list happen to be at the > > upcoming IETF in Pittsburgh and whether there is interest to hold an > > official "work meeting" - which is different from just having a nice > > dinner together. Please drop me a note. > > > > /js > > > > -- > > Juergen Schoenwaelder Technical University Braunschweig > > Dept. Operating Systems & Computer Networks > > Phone: +49 531 391 3289 Bueltenweg 74/75, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany > > Fax: +49 531 391 5936 > Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17185 for nmrg-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 07:09:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from icasun1.epfl.ch (root@icasun1.epfl.ch [128.178.151.148]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17181 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 07:09:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ica.epfl.ch (jpmf@tcomhp33.epfl.ch [128.178.151.24]) by icasun1.epfl.ch (8.8.X/EPFL-8.1d for ICA) with ESMTP id HAA29781; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 07:09:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200007080509.HAA29781@icasun1.epfl.ch> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 From: "J.P. Martin-Flatin" To: Network Management Research Group Cc: "J.P. Martin-Flatin" Reply-To: "J.P. Martin-Flatin" Subject: Re: [nmrg] smi xml document In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:57:27 METDST." <200006221357.PAA27689@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 07:09:32 +0200 Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Status: O Content-Length: 1406 Lines: 37 Juergen and Frank, I finally had the time to look at your DTD in more detail. Good job! I have three questions: 1) Why did you create the TEXT entity instead of using #PCDATA directly, as people usually do? 2) Does the VALUE entity add anything significant? I'm not sure. 3) What would your DTD look like if you decided to drop support for SMIng? Jean-Philippe On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:57:27 +0200, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > Frank and I have written a document (basically the DTD) on how to > represent SMI MIB module definitions in XML. This DTD basically > documents the XML output generated by our smidump utility in a format > DTD. There is much more work needed on the document to define things > that are hard to describe in an XML DTD. For example, there is no way > to describe how e.g. a date or a default value looks like in a DTD. > > I believe that the grammar is a good starting point and since I know > that people are using XML representations of SMI MIB modules, we may > benefit from finding agreement on a single DTD. > > Any comments on the DTD and the approach taken are highly welcomed. I > also think that folks in Twente had an XML processor to generate HTML > pages for SMI modules. Would be nice if you can tell us whether this > DTD works just fine (with a few minor modifications to your processor) > or whether there are serious problems with it. > > /js Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27031 for nmrg-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:25:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (schoenw@henkell [134.169.34.191]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27023; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:25:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from schoenw@localhost by henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.7.6/tubsibr) id AAA26618; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:25:04 +0200 Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:25:04 +0200 Message-Id: <200007072225.AAA26618@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Erik.Huizer@sec.nl CC: irsg@dl.surfnet.nl, Network Management Research Group In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.20000707205950.0097a360@surver.wind.surfnet.nl> (message from Erik Huizer on Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:02:58 +0200) Subject: [nmrg] Re: IETF plenary talk References: <4.2.0.58.20000707205950.0097a360@surver.wind.surfnet.nl> Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Status: O Content-Length: 1016 Lines: 28 >>>>> Erik Huizer writes: Erik> I have an understanding with the IETF chair that the IRTF will Erik> try to fill at least one slot at the IETF plenary meetings Erik> presenting the work of a RG. Erik> In Pittsburgh the AAAARG RG will present their work. Erik> I understood there is still room in the program for one more Erik> presentation. Is there any other RG that wants to make a Erik> presentation? There will be discussions in Pittsburgh about moving work items from the NMRG into the relevant IETF working groups. Given this background, I could use the opportunity to make a larger audience aware of the NMRG, what it is working on and how results produced by the NMRG (may) impact work in some IETF working groups. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Technical University Braunschweig Dept. Operating Systems & Computer Networks Phone: +49 531 391 3289 Bueltenweg 74/75, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany Fax: +49 531 391 5936 Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20098 for nmrg-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:37:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20088; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:37:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ctit.utwente.nl (utip064.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.12.90]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10352; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:36:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3962F3A2.E088D3CF@ctit.utwente.nl> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:36:50 +0200 From: Aiko Pras X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Schoenwaelder CC: Network Management Research Group Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG meeting in Pittsburgh? References: <200007031451.QAA10385@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Status: O Content-Length: 645 Lines: 22 Hi I do not expect anyone from Twente going there. Bye Aiko Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > I would like to know how many on this list happen to be at the > upcoming IETF in Pittsburgh and whether there is interest to hold an > official "work meeting" - which is different from just having a nice > dinner together. Please drop me a note. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Technical University Braunschweig > Dept. Operating Systems & Computer Networks > Phone: +49 531 391 3289 Bueltenweg 74/75, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany > Fax: +49 531 391 5936 Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19182 for nmrg-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:51:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (schoenw@henkell [134.169.34.191]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19170; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:51:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from schoenw@localhost by henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.7.6/tubsibr) id QAA10385; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:51:47 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:51:47 +0200 Message-Id: <200007031451.QAA10385@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Network Management Research Group Subject: [nmrg] NMRG meeting in Pittsburgh? Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Status: O Content-Length: 529 Lines: 15 I would like to know how many on this list happen to be at the upcoming IETF in Pittsburgh and whether there is interest to hold an official "work meeting" - which is different from just having a nice dinner together. Please drop me a note. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Technical University Braunschweig Dept. Operating Systems & Computer Networks Phone: +49 531 391 3289 Bueltenweg 74/75, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany Fax: +49 531 391 5936