Received: from nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com (nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com [198.152.12.103]) by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id kAHJPvGo028732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 20:25:58 +0100 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id kAHJPt4x012636 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:25:56 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:25:55 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OPS and Management meetings in Prague Thread-Index: AccJvSymVHdnO2zkRvizx1qb4v+5Og== From: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" To: , , , "MIB Doctors" , , X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: 0.001 () BAYES_50 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.24 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de id kAHJPvGo028732 Cc: Subject: [nmrg] OPS and Management meetings in Prague X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:26:00 -0000 In order to encourage new ideas and input from the operators and management community we (David and Dan) are thinking about allocating two time slots at the Prague IETF that are supposed to be specifically used to discuss new ideas and other topics, including complete bof proposals that are of interest for the Ops and management area. At the same time, because there is a time limit, it allows us to prioritize work so that we can keep the area focused on the X most important issues that fit within the allocated time. The idea is that we are often not allowing enough discussion that helps to think about the future as opposed to being constrained to the narrower topics as defined in our working group charters. The floor for proposals is already open. The sooner, the better. Note that a joint meeting of the area is planned together with the NMRG, to report on the recent Utrecht workshop of NMRG and bring in new proposals from the research community. Based upon the number of requests for BOF slots this meeting could be scheduled in a separate third slot. We are planning to ask for late-in-the week slots (Wednesday, Thursday), and even Friday morning may not be excluded. Please plan your trips accordingly. David and Dan Received: from nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com (nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com [198.152.12.103]) by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id kAB6YVMl020680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 07:34:32 +0100 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id kAB6YUIo024221 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:34:31 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:34:28 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Thread-Index: AccFEGGzcuiEqN0cR/SjcUmy898M9gASnMsg From: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" To: , "Eliot Lear" X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.24 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de id kAB6YVMl020680 Cc: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, ops-area@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:34:35 -0000 My initial thoughts were for one joint meeting, during the IETF week, 2 or 2.5 hours. The added value of such a meeting would be in the participation of the OPS area IETF community and the dialog that we hope to ignite between nmrg and OPS . As Juergen says, this is the phase of brainstorming, other ideas and suggestions are welcome. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de] > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:36 PM > To: Eliot Lear > Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de; ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 01:23:48PM -0800, Eliot Lear wrote: > > Dan, > > > > If there is to be a joint meeting at the Prague IETF, what > length are > > we talking about? Two hours or two days? > > I am not sure what Dan's ideas are, but we could have a joint > session in a normal IETF meeting slot (say two hours) where > we provide an overview and initiate interaction followed by a > longer NMRG meeting scheduled for say Friday where we would > have more time to dive into details. > > In general, I think ideas and suggestions are more than > welcome at this stage of the planning. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen > (Jacobs University Bremen as > of Spring 2007) > P.O. Box 750 561, > 28725 Bremen, Germany > Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id kAAM2tMk008594 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:02:57 +0100 Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2006 14:02:19 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,410,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="342747519:sNHT4569227440" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAAM2KPJ004495; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:02:20 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kAAM2Jis010125; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:02:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.98]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:02:19 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:02:18 -0800 Message-ID: <6B9C4B97B82F924485E26968EB05A6EE0257BD8D@xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Thread-Index: AccFEHXwngf6FzvXRk6W6/Q1ZaSbrwAAuAgA From: "Petre Dini \(pdini\)" To: , "Eliot Lear" , "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 22:02:19.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[E43F7530:01C70513] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1757; t=1163196140; x=1164060140; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=pdini@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Petre=20Dini=20\(pdini\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[nmrg]=20Looking=20ahead=20to=20Prague |Sender:=20; bh=/iE9OwdIYouJ6032DBdpbk8CRCxW40Vinlxiqm5tNhk=; b=fsOVJ7iG1zxeXJKflHaL4n7+BiPClS16qe+5vg3JirY39KyNfCENUd9i55BJGcTJrwcqA2m2 /oGC3gFHtFIZ5IOc2vBqXqvuRvgpZiBQ9cRgULft5JwlwCaTW1XZoCko; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=pdini@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: -0.001 () BAYES_44 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.24 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de id kAAM2tMk008594 Cc: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, ops-area@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:03:00 -0000 Jurgen, Let us have a call first to see how many will be willing to present. I presume that 1/2 day can be useful, as there is a context setting too. I estimate that only for the Utrecht and post-Utrecht discussions we need 2 hours. I agree that we should know a little in advance how many will intent to present their research. -- Petre -----Original Message----- From: nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de [mailto:nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de] On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:36 PM To: Eliot Lear Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de; ops-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 01:23:48PM -0800, Eliot Lear wrote: > Dan, > > If there is to be a joint meeting at the Prague IETF, what length are > we talking about? Two hours or two days? I am not sure what Dan's ideas are, but we could have a joint session in a normal IETF meeting slot (say two hours) where we provide an overview and initiate interaction followed by a longer NMRG meeting scheduled for say Friday where we would have more time to dive into details. In general, I think ideas and suggestions are more than welcome at this stage of the planning. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen (Jacobs University Bremen as of Spring 2007) P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany -- !! This message is brought to you via the `nmrg' mailing list. !! Please do not reply to this message to unsubscribe. To unsubscribe or adjust !! your settings, send a mail message to !! or look at http://agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nmrg. Received: from hermes.iu-bremen.de (hermes.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.23]) by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id kAALZxMk004625 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:35:59 +0100 Received: from localhost (demetrius.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.iu-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B15F5AEF0; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:35:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.iu-bremen.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10228-03; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:35:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from boskop.local (unknown [10.222.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hermes.iu-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DF25AF06; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:35:52 +0100 (CET) Received: by boskop.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id E8E8C8C3CF0; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:35:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:35:50 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Eliot Lear Subject: Re: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Message-ID: <20061110213550.GB11579@boskop.local> Mail-Followup-To: Eliot Lear , "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, ops-area@ietf.org References: <4554EDE4.6090302@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4554EDE4.6090302@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at iu-bremen.de X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: -4.9 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.24 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, ops-area@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:36:01 -0000 On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 01:23:48PM -0800, Eliot Lear wrote: > Dan, > > If there is to be a joint meeting at the Prague IETF, what length are we > talking about? Two hours or two days? I am not sure what Dan's ideas are, but we could have a joint session in a normal IETF meeting slot (say two hours) where we provide an overview and initiate interaction followed by a longer NMRG meeting scheduled for say Friday where we would have more time to dive into details. In general, I think ideas and suggestions are more than welcome at this stage of the planning. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen (Jacobs University Bremen as of Spring 2007) P.O. 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Two hours or two days? Eliot Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id kAAJEdMk016233 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:14:39 +0100 Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2006 11:13:45 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,410,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="342637190:sNHT5205623506" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAAJDaWb021948; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:13:36 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kAAJDaio006561; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.98]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:13:36 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:13:35 -0800 Message-ID: <6B9C4B97B82F924485E26968EB05A6EE0257BCF2@xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Thread-Index: AccE9guHjpMrd4CGTtaXC2MhmJe+wgABeh6Q From: "Petre Dini \(pdini\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 19:13:36.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[52448380:01C704FC] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1115; t=1163186016; x=1164050016; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=pdini@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Petre=20Dini=20\(pdini\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[nmrg]=20Looking=20ahead=20to=20Prague |Sender:=20; bh=aFfqJnxAVw32bm1VE6YnTS/qtGXkdeWon+xewE0uvms=; b=exyIOrk22+9afHZQid8lzHUL50WweTpC2NrVG1jQJQa97si6axX7ITq+hX4dz21twHoesDj2 dZ+A91F8YvRnHoKOzJkjrKAWVA9SgVLObH73lNi100k9Ll2G6bODKhjs; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=pdini@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/sjdkim1002 verified; ); X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: -0.001 () BAYES_44 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.24 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de id kAAJEdMk016233 Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, ops-area@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:14:42 -0000 Jurgen, This is good start. Please share it timely to have appropriate input and time to polish it then. :) yes, winter holidays seem appropriate. -- petre -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:28 AM To: Petre Dini (pdini) Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org; nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Subject: Re: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 08:23:24PM -0800, Petre Dini (pdini) wrote: > I can be one of them; we need 3-4 volunteers working during the winter > holidays. I think that Jurgen can take the lead on a draft. I started to work on a structure in order to organize things but it is likely that most of the writing will not be done before the winter holidays. But yes, we should have a reasonably structured document well before the Prague IETF meeting. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen (Jacobs University Bremen as of Spring 2007) P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany Received: from hermes.iu-bremen.de (hermes.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.23]) by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id kAAISUMk008269 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:28:30 +0100 Received: from localhost (demetrius.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.iu-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6997C5AF0F; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:28:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.iu-bremen.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30933-09; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:28:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from boskop.local (unknown [10.222.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hermes.iu-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED35D5AF1C; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:28:25 +0100 (CET) Received: by boskop.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 0FD3C8C363D; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:28:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:28:25 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Petre Dini (pdini)" Subject: Re: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Message-ID: <20061110182825.GD11161@boskop.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Petre Dini (pdini)" , "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , ops-area@ietf.org, nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de References: <6B9C4B97B82F924485E26968EB05A6EE0257BB96@xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6B9C4B97B82F924485E26968EB05A6EE0257BB96@xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at iu-bremen.de X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: -4.9 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.24 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, ops-area@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:28:32 -0000 On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 08:23:24PM -0800, Petre Dini (pdini) wrote: > I can be one of them; we need 3-4 volunteers working during the winter > holidays. I think that Jurgen can take the lead on a draft. I started to work on a structure in order to organize things but it is likely that most of the writing will not be done before the winter holidays. But yes, we should have a reasonably structured document well before the Prague IETF meeting. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen (Jacobs University Bremen as of Spring 2007) P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id kAA4NPMk032205 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:23:26 +0100 Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2006 20:23:25 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,407,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="92399:sNHT65478411" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAA4NPbT017961; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:23:25 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kAA4NPin011684; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.98]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:23:25 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:23:24 -0800 Message-ID: <6B9C4B97B82F924485E26968EB05A6EE0257BB96@xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Thread-Index: AccEdsnHAEUN6PFMSTemK54ppbpM4wAAKZ1QAAB8apAAAXJ54A== From: "Petre Dini \(pdini\)" To: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 04:23:25.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6DEC220:01C7047F] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3725; t=1163132605; x=1163996605; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=pdini@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Petre=20Dini=20\(pdini\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[nmrg]=20Looking=20ahead=20to=20Prague |Sender:=20; bh=NkJYREIzQrpLvOrOzddZ9bnmSqKWPOKuAPZmrMwiL0M=; b=NkHrS+e1VXWMFK/eLd9BUlXbLcKhOoX2wllrYRUU3+bn6k5u90dYgThfsKBygr8LGrNR/mfx jxXKB8VKAlX9FtknoSA1ISo+dvekm3X3Y7T0ohjnUDPWvVffBXef+4Iq; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=pdini@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.24 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de id kAA4NPMk032205 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:35:07 +0100 Cc: X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:23:28 -0000 Dan, Thanks! I got it now. I can be one of them; we need 3-4 volunteers working during the winter holidays. I think that Jurgen can take the lead on a draft. Note that I chaired a panel in DSOM 2006 [post-Utrecht] on the same topics; therefore, on the research side, things got reacher, in terms of perspective, achievements, open issues, challenges. We can complement our discussions in Utrecht with aspects discussed in the panel as well. Best, -- Petre -----Original Message----- From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:41 PM To: Petre Dini (pdini); ops-area@ietf.org; nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Thanks Petre. I was not clear, by 'new work in the area' I had in mind the OPS area in the IETF. I know that there is a lot of interesting work going in research, I believe that it would be useful to raise the awareness the OPS and management community about part of it and see how those could be used to meet some of the operational needs in the Internet. Sure, we shall be preparing that document we talked about in Utrecht and have it ready before Prague. I would be glad to contribute to it with the perspective of the IETF OPS area, is there any volunteer to hold the pen? Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Petre Dini (pdini) [mailto:pdini@cisco.com] > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:35 AM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org; nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de > Cc: Petre Dini (pdini) > Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague > > Dan, Juergen, all, > > As an output of our Utrecht meeting, it was question that a document > will be edited, with our common contributions, and publicized. > Definitively, I see this document could be the basis for the OPS/NMRG > meeting in Prague; I plan to attend it. So, I urge we settle something > to finalize it. > > Not sure on the last statement; post-Uthrecht it was the ManWeek > conference [Dublin], where a large spectrum of detailed on progress > work was presented. I can report that, in general, the topics turned > around the same topics we discussed in Uthrect. > > :) actually, Jurgen, Olivier, Rolf, Petre, Danny, et al were present > too in Dublin. > Petre > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de > [mailto:nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de] > On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:18 PM > To: ops-area@ietf.org; nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de > Subject: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague > > > Juergen and myself would like to capitalize on the work done in nmrg > and the two-days workshop of NMRG recently hold in Utrecht. We suggest > that we hold a joint meeting of the OPS area and NMRG at ietf-68 in > Prague. > We intent to encourage the participation of researchers in the field > of network management in order to present their work and proposals, > and explain some of the concepts that they are working at which are > less known in the broader OPS and Management community. The goal is to > summarize what came out of the Utrecht meeting and explain using a few > examples where research is heading, seek feedback and discuss ways to > ignite new work in the area. > > Dan > > > -- > !! This message is brought to you via the `nmrg' mailing list. > !! Please do not reply to this message to unsubscribe. To unsubscribe > or adjust !! your settings, send a mail message to > !! or look at > http://agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nmrg. > Received: from co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com (co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.103]) by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id kAA3emMl028616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:40:49 +0100 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id kAA3ekMn024276 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:40:47 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:40:45 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Thread-Index: AccEdsnHAEUN6PFMSTemK54ppbpM4wAAKZ1QAAB8apA= From: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" To: "Petre Dini \(pdini\)" , , X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.24 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de id kAA3emMl028616 Cc: X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 03:40:51 -0000 Thanks Petre. I was not clear, by 'new work in the area' I had in mind the OPS area in the IETF. I know that there is a lot of interesting work going in research, I believe that it would be useful to raise the awareness the OPS and management community about part of it and see how those could be used to meet some of the operational needs in the Internet. Sure, we shall be preparing that document we talked about in Utrecht and have it ready before Prague. I would be glad to contribute to it with the perspective of the IETF OPS area, is there any volunteer to hold the pen? Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Petre Dini (pdini) [mailto:pdini@cisco.com] > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:35 AM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org; nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de > Cc: Petre Dini (pdini) > Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague > > Dan, Juergen, all, > > As an output of our Utrecht meeting, it was question that a > document will be edited, with our common contributions, and > publicized. > Definitively, I see this document could be the basis for the > OPS/NMRG meeting in Prague; I plan to attend it. So, I urge > we settle something to finalize it. > > Not sure on the last statement; post-Uthrecht it was the > ManWeek conference [Dublin], where a large spectrum of > detailed on progress work was presented. I can report that, > in general, the topics turned around the same topics we > discussed in Uthrect. > > :) actually, Jurgen, Olivier, Rolf, Petre, Danny, et al were > present too in Dublin. > Petre > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de > [mailto:nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de] > On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:18 PM > To: ops-area@ietf.org; nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de > Subject: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague > > > Juergen and myself would like to capitalize on the work done > in nmrg and the two-days workshop of NMRG recently hold in > Utrecht. We suggest that we hold a joint meeting of the OPS > area and NMRG at ietf-68 in Prague. > We intent to encourage the participation of researchers in > the field of network management in order to present their > work and proposals, and explain some of the concepts that > they are working at which are less known in the broader OPS > and Management community. The goal is to summarize what came > out of the Utrecht meeting and explain using a few examples > where research is heading, seek feedback and discuss ways to > ignite new work in the area. > > Dan > > > -- > !! This message is brought to you via the `nmrg' mailing list. > !! Please do not reply to this message to unsubscribe. To > unsubscribe or adjust !! your settings, send a mail message > to !! or look at > http://agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nmrg. > Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id kAA3YpMk028050 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:34:51 +0100 Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2006 19:34:51 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,407,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="67819:sNHT62718003" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAA3Yp29009396; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:34:51 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kAA3YoW4009443; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.98]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:34:50 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:34:49 -0800 Message-ID: <6B9C4B97B82F924485E26968EB05A6EE0257BB89@xmb-sjc-224.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Thread-Index: AccEdsnHAEUN6PFMSTemK54ppbpM4wAAKZ1Q From: "Petre Dini \(pdini\)" To: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 03:34:50.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DB8FB00:01C70479] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1937; t=1163129691; x=1163993691; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=pdini@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Petre=20Dini=20\(pdini\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[nmrg]=20Looking=20ahead=20to=20Prague |Sender:=20; bh=2Ibq1CPj18T5FY6Y0KQp/iKwFsEaOvJ5we+sKr8s8lc=; b=LD/uohkfPWhYa5a9989FRTQ8hz7SGtuKGLyhmRr9GJkBVcG+M4GjEqdvBqRfxLZyoQB5mTlF DNdT53TDmdiKlAzrMLPahErwyTdyUiSlBbDGCm74DC4aZKSYdUSShn5C; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=pdini@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: 0.001 () BAYES_50 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.24 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de id kAA3YpMk028050 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:35:07 +0100 Cc: X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 03:34:54 -0000 Dan, Juergen, all, As an output of our Utrecht meeting, it was question that a document will be edited, with our common contributions, and publicized. Definitively, I see this document could be the basis for the OPS/NMRG meeting in Prague; I plan to attend it. So, I urge we settle something to finalize it. Not sure on the last statement; post-Uthrecht it was the ManWeek conference [Dublin], where a large spectrum of detailed on progress work was presented. I can report that, in general, the topics turned around the same topics we discussed in Uthrect. :) actually, Jurgen, Olivier, Rolf, Petre, Danny, et al were present too in Dublin. Petre -----Original Message----- From: nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de [mailto:nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:18 PM To: ops-area@ietf.org; nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Subject: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague Juergen and myself would like to capitalize on the work done in nmrg and the two-days workshop of NMRG recently hold in Utrecht. We suggest that we hold a joint meeting of the OPS area and NMRG at ietf-68 in Prague. We intent to encourage the participation of researchers in the field of network management in order to present their work and proposals, and explain some of the concepts that they are working at which are less known in the broader OPS and Management community. The goal is to summarize what came out of the Utrecht meeting and explain using a few examples where research is heading, seek feedback and discuss ways to ignite new work in the area. Dan -- !! This message is brought to you via the `nmrg' mailing list. !! Please do not reply to this message to unsubscribe. To unsubscribe or adjust !! your settings, send a mail message to !! or look at http://agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nmrg. 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We suggest that we hold a joint meeting of the OPS area and NMRG at ietf-68 in Prague. We intent to encourage the participation of researchers in the field of network management in order to present their work and proposals, and explain some of the concepts that they are working at which are less known in the broader OPS and Management community. The goal is to summarize what came out of the Utrecht meeting and explain using a few examples where research is heading, seek feedback and discuss ways to ignite new work in the area. Dan Received: from nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com (nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com [198.152.12.103]) by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id kA29pA3v006974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:51:11 +0100 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id kA29kI4l031152 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 04:51:09 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [nmrg] draft utrecht meeting minutes Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:46:17 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [nmrg] draft utrecht meeting minutes Thread-Index: Acb5BPFob4rWqqq/SQWZiuMF+4hsogFXqDUA From: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" To: , X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: -0.001 () BAYES_44 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.24 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agitator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de id kA29pA3v006974 Cc: X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:51:13 -0000 Looks good to me. I did not identify any major miss or discordance. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de > [mailto:nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de] On Behalf Of Juergen > Schoenwaelder > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:43 PM > To: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de > Subject: [nmrg] draft utrecht meeting minutes > > Hi, > > I have compiled the draft minutes of the Utrecht meeting and > put the online: > > http://www.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/projects/nmrg/minutes/minutes-021.txt > > Please check the minutes and send me any corrections you find > important by November 10th. The minutes are rather detailed > and we clearly need to work through them to turn them into a > more readable summary. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen > P.O. Box 750 561, > 28725 Bremen, Germany > -- > !! This message is brought to you via the `nmrg' mailing list. > !! Please do not reply to this message to unsubscribe. 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