Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.23]) by bierator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l5IKaHvV025154 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:36:22 +0200 Received: from localhost (demetrius.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C72866B1 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:36:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17160-09; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:36:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E13B8668D; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:36:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id EBC5D29777D; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:36:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:36:08 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Message-ID: <20070618203608.GB18602@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: 0.001 () BAYES_50 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 134.169.34.9 Subject: [nmrg] [Internet-Drafts@ietf.org: I-D ACTION:draft-schoenw-sming-lessons-00.txt] X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:36:24 -0000 Hi, at the last NMRG meeting in Prague, during the general discussion, the question was raised what the NMRG can contribute to the data modeling discussion. I then made a comment that it might help if we can document technical lessons learned from the SMIng project. Below is a first attempt to write down some lessons learned. I am looking for your feedback, both technically and in more general whether such a document is of any value to be published (and if so in which form). /js ----- Forwarded message from Internet-Drafts@ietf.org ----- To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:50:02 -0400 Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-schoenw-sming-lessons-00.txt Precedence: list Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org Errors-To: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Lessons Learned from the SMIng Project Author(s) : J. Schoenwaelder Filename : draft-schoenw-sming-lessons-00.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2007-6-18 A data modeling language for network management protocols called SMIng was developed within the Network Management Research Group of the Internet Research Task Force over a period of several years. This memo documents some of the lessons learned during the project for consideration by designers of future data modeling languages for network management protocols. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-schoenw-sming-lessons-00.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by bierator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l5FA6sQ5026718 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:06:59 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.16]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 15 Jun 2007 06:06:48 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,423,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="27081829:sNHT16201872" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:06:06 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: WG Action: Operations and Management Area Working Group (opsawg) Thread-Index: Aceth4Kv03PmtY43SjyrSAHAIhik3wBrRh7Q From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , "Ops-Nm" , "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" , "Aaa-Doctors (E-mail)" , , X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: 0.001 () BAYES_50 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 134.169.34.9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bierator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de id l5FA6sQ5026718 Subject: [nmrg] FW: WG Action: Operations and Management Area Working Group (opsawg) X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:07:01 -0000 I apologize for cross-posting. Dan -----Original Message----- From: IESG Secretary [mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:50 AM To: ietf-announce@ietf.org Cc: opsawg@ietf.org; Scott Bradner Subject: WG Action: Operations and Management Area Working Group (opsawg) A new IETF working group has been formed in the Operations and Management Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. +++ Operations and Management Area Working Group (opsawg) ====================================================== Current Status: Active Working Group Chair(s): Scott Bradner Operations and Management Area Directors: Dan Romascanu Ronald Bonica General Discussion: opsawg@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg Archive: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/opsawg/current/index.html Description: The Operations and Management Area receives occasional proposals for the development and publication of RFCs dealing with operational and management topics that are not in scope of an existing working group and do not justify the formation of a new working group. The OPSAWG will serve as the forum for developing such work items in the IETF. The OPSAWG mailing list is an open discussion forum for such work items, when they arise. The working group meets if there are active proposals that require discussion. The working group milestones are updated as needed to reflect the current work items and their associated milestones. All new work items and rechartering proposals will be brought for approval with the IESG. The focus of the work will be on topics that govern the behavior or WGs in the O&M area (e.g., manageability requirements) and on small, highly focused projects that don't merit a WG of their own or belong to WGs that have already concluded (e.g. advancement of documents on the standards track, application statements, extensions of MIB modules). The OPSAWG will undertake only work items that are proved to have at least a reasonable level of interest from the operators and users community and have a committed number of editors and reviewers. It is not within the scope of the OPSAWG to pick up failed WG work or parts of a WG charter items that could not come to convergence on what they were chartered to do. The currently active OPSAWG work items mostly fall under the following topics: (A) Development of a BCP document that will provide guidelines for authors and a reference for reviewers of IETF documents that specify new protocols or protocol extensions about the information about operational and manageability requirements that needs to be covered in these documents (B) Templates and tools for Operations and Management Area Documents (C) Maintenance and small scale extensions of documents that were developed in working groups that have concluded (e.g. MIB modules). Goals and Milestones: June 2007 - Initial submission for the "Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New Protocols" Internet-Draft June 2007 - Initial submission for the "SNMP Engine ID Discovery" Internet-Draft October 2007 - Initial submission for the "Template for Generic Management Data Models" Internet-Draft October 2007 - Initial submission for the "Structured Data Elements (SDEs) for syslog" Internet-Draft October 2007 - WGLC for the "SNMP Engine ID Discovery" Internet-Draft December 2007 - WGLC for the "Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New Protocols" Internet-Draft December 2007 - Submit the "SNMP Engine ID Discovery" Internet-Draft to the IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard February 2008 - Submit the "Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New Protocols" Internet-Draft to the IESG for consideration as BCP April 2008 - WGLC for the "Template for Generic Management Data Models" April 2008 - WGLC for the "Structured Data Elements (SDEs) for syslog" June 2008 - Submit the "Template for Generic Management Data Models" to the IESG for consideration as BCP June 2008 - Submit the "Structured Data Elements (SDEs) for syslog" to the IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce