From ariane.keller@tik.ee.ethz.ch Wed Nov 6 00:41:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F9621E80ED for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 00:41:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K2RdmkpGNDCp for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 00:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch (smtp.ee.ethz.ch [129.132.2.219]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBECA21E80F4 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 00:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D40D930D for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:41:02 +0100 (MET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new on smtp.ee.ethz.ch Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.ee.ethz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id oeAIoLvG3SBA for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:41:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from nb-10139.ethz.ch (nb-10139.ethz.ch [82.130.103.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: arkeller) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 83DF5D9304 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:41:02 +0100 (MET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) From: Ariane Keller In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:41:02 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20130908154540.GA68871@elstar.local> <20130924202401.GA20516@elstar.local> To: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Subject: Re: [nmrg] 32nd NMRG meeting - Autonomics for Network Management X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 08:41:16 -0000 Dear NMRG, I am very interested in the upcoming activities in autonomic networking.=20= Over the last few years, I've worked on several projects in the area of = autonomic networking. Unfortunately, I'm unable to attend the meeting on Friday. Therefore, I = summarized our ideas and put them online at the following link: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~arkeller/nmrg_ietf_88.pdf I hope you find this an interesting input and I'm looking forward to = interesting discussion on=20 autonomic networking. Kind regards, Ariane On Oct 29, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville wrote: > Dear NMRG subscribers, >=20 > Please find below the draft agenda for the upcoming 32nd NMRG meeting = during the IETF 88 meeting. As previously announced, this meeting will = be centered on the use of autonomic computing principles for network = management. The meeting will take place on Friday, Nov 8th, distributed = in two IETF slots. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Olivier Festor & Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville > NMRG Co-Chairs >=20 >=20 > ---- >=20 > DRAFT agenda >=20 > 32nd Network Management Research Group (NMRG) meeting > IETF 88 > November 8th 2013 - Vancouver, Canada >=20 >=20 > 09:00 - 11:00 : Friday Morning Session I - Plaza A > -------------------------------------------------- >=20 > 09:00 - 09:05 : Agenda Bashing >=20 > 09:05 - 09:30 : Network Configuration Negotiation Problem Statement = and Requirements - Sheng Jiang >=20 > 09:30 - 09:55 : Using Peer-to-Peer to Detect Service Level Agreement = Violations - J=E9ferson Campos Nobre >=20 > 09:55 - 10:20 : A Framework for Autonomic Networking - Michael = Behringer >=20 > 10:20 - 11:00 : A running implementation of an autonomic networking = framework - Laurent Ciavaglia >=20 >=20 >=20 > 12:30 - 13:30 : Friday Afternoon Session II - Plaza C > -----------------------------------------------------=20 >=20 > 12:30 - 12:55 : Bootstrapping Trust on a Homenet - Michael Behringer >=20 > 12:55 - 13:30 : Discussion - An IRTF/NMRG definition of Autonomic = networking terms=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From granville@inf.ufrgs.br Wed Nov 6 08:56:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D61221F9F8F for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:56:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.052 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.052 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.401, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kxEAjbkpeOoP for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:56:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.inf.ufrgs.br (puma.inf.ufrgs.br [143.54.11.5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221C421F9EA8 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:56:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puma.inf.ufrgs.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9CA61C6C; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:56:35 -0200 (BRST) Received: from dhcp-98de.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-98de.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.152.222]) by puma.inf.ufrgs.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2937261CCE; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:56:14 -0200 (BRST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1816\)) From: Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:55:49 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2D1D6B26-0847-4674-8305-BEA71CB54ADC@inf.ufrgs.br> References: <20130908154540.GA68871@elstar.local> <20130924202401.GA20516@elstar.local> To: Ariane Keller X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1816) Cc: nmrg@irtf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] 32nd NMRG meeting - Autonomics for Network Management X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:56:49 -0000 Thanks Ariane Let=92s way to outcomes of the friday=92s meetings and keep the = discussion in the list. Best regards, Lisandro Em 06/11/2013, =E0(s) 00:41, Ariane Keller = escreveu: > Dear NMRG, >=20 > I am very interested in the upcoming activities in autonomic = networking.=20 > Over the last few years, I've worked on several projects in the area = of autonomic networking. > Unfortunately, I'm unable to attend the meeting on Friday. Therefore, = I summarized our ideas > and put them online at the following link: >=20 > http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~arkeller/nmrg_ietf_88.pdf >=20 > I hope you find this an interesting input and I'm looking forward to = interesting discussion on=20 > autonomic networking. >=20 > Kind regards, > Ariane >=20 > On Oct 29, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville wrote: >=20 >> Dear NMRG subscribers, >>=20 >> Please find below the draft agenda for the upcoming 32nd NMRG meeting = during the IETF 88 meeting. As previously announced, this meeting will = be centered on the use of autonomic computing principles for network = management. The meeting will take place on Friday, Nov 8th, distributed = in two IETF slots. >>=20 >> Best regards, >>=20 >> Olivier Festor & Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville >> NMRG Co-Chairs >>=20 >>=20 >> ---- >>=20 >> DRAFT agenda >>=20 >> 32nd Network Management Research Group (NMRG) meeting >> IETF 88 >> November 8th 2013 - Vancouver, Canada >>=20 >>=20 >> 09:00 - 11:00 : Friday Morning Session I - Plaza A >> -------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> 09:00 - 09:05 : Agenda Bashing >>=20 >> 09:05 - 09:30 : Network Configuration Negotiation Problem Statement = and Requirements - Sheng Jiang >>=20 >> 09:30 - 09:55 : Using Peer-to-Peer to Detect Service Level Agreement = Violations - J=E9ferson Campos Nobre >>=20 >> 09:55 - 10:20 : A Framework for Autonomic Networking - Michael = Behringer >>=20 >> 10:20 - 11:00 : A running implementation of an autonomic networking = framework - Laurent Ciavaglia >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 12:30 - 13:30 : Friday Afternoon Session II - Plaza C >> -----------------------------------------------------=20 >>=20 >> 12:30 - 12:55 : Bootstrapping Trust on a Homenet - Michael Behringer >>=20 >> 12:55 - 13:30 : Discussion - An IRTF/NMRG definition of Autonomic = networking terms=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> nmrg mailing list >> nmrg@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From domenico.siracusa@create-net.org Thu Nov 7 01:17:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD50011E8209 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:17:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mv7Zl6P8Cfd8 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from aurora.create-net.org (aurora.create-net.org [193.206.22.116]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6AD11E8191 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by aurora.create-net.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8E92C08190 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:17:46 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at create-net.org Received: from aurora.create-net.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (aurora.create-net.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B5rz2KnmcAFL for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:17:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.9.191] (unknown [192.168.9.191]) by aurora.create-net.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2F4C62C080B9 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:17:46 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <527B5AB9.20808@create-net.org> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 10:17:45 +0100 From: dsiracusa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nmrg@irtf.org References: <20131104182022.10133.13576.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20131104182022.10133.13576.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20131104182022.10133.13576.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070907030901020601070101" Subject: [nmrg] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-siracusa-nmrg-ccon-fwk-00.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 09:17:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070907030901020601070101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, the following Internet Draft has just been posted. It describes a framework for "cognitive capable" optical networks. More specifically, it first provides a basic background about the most recent technological enablers in the context of optical networks; then, it details the framework and presents some applications that can benefit from cognition in order to achieve better network performance; finally, it discusses about the implications on the at control plane level. Our decision to share this draft within NMRG is due to the fact that in our understanding cognitive capable networks are closely related to autonomic networks (actually, they can be even considered as a variant of), since they provide self-configuration, self-healing and self-optimization functionalities, by relying on the information provided by monitors disseminated into the network and by exploiting the previous experience. Thus, we think that this draft can provide a contribution to the discussion on autonomic networks that is currently ongoing in this working group, by providing an initial description of a technology-specific solution based on optical networks. This document is indeed a work in progress, so feedbacks are surely welcome. Background: This draft is the output of EU FP7 funded CHRON project. More details of this project can be found at http://www.ict-chron.eu Best Regards, Domenico Siracusa -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-siracusa-nmrg-ccon-fwk-00.txt Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:20:22 -0800 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Elio Salvadori , Ruben M. Lorenzo , Ramon J. Duran , Antonio Francescon , Domenico Siracusa , Ignacio de Miguel A new version of I-D, draft-siracusa-nmrg-ccon-fwk-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Antonio Francescon and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-siracusa-nmrg-ccon-fwk Revision: 00 Title: Framework for Cognitive Capable Optical Networks Creation date: 2013-11-04 Group: Individual Submission Number of pages: 24 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-siracusa-nmrg-ccon-fwk-00.txt Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-siracusa-nmrg-ccon-fwk Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-siracusa-nmrg-ccon-fwk-00 Abstract: The increased complexity in the management of highly heterogeneous optical networks is recently forcing vendors and providers to look for novel mechanisms which diminish the manual intervention by favoring the autonomous execution of several operational tasks, especially when dealing with network congestion or failure events. The adoption of cognitive techniques in networking envisions a network which is able to adapt itself to current or forecasted conditions by taking into account previous history, and which is able to act proactively, rather than reactively, in order to avoid problems before they arise. In this document, a novel architectural framework that introduces cognitive techniques in the optical networking domain is described, and several use cases provided to emphasize its effectiveness. Ignacio de Miguel is the fifth author (as it appears in the text file provided). I'm not able to have it automatically included in the authors list. Thanks. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --------------070907030901020601070101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Dear all, 

the following Internet Draft has just been posted. It describes a framework for "cognitive capable" optical networks. More specifically, it first provides a basic background about the most recent technological enablers in the context of optical networks; then, it details the framework and presents some applications that can benefit from cognition in order to achieve better network performance; finally, it discusses about the implications on the at control plane level.

Our decision to share this draft within NMRG is due to the fact that in our understanding cognitive capable networks are closely related to autonomic networks (actually, they can be even considered as a variant of), since they provide self-configuration, self-healing and self-optimization functionalities, by relying on the information provided by monitors disseminated into the network and by exploiting the previous experience. Thus, we think that this draft can provide a contribution to the discussion on autonomic networks that is currently ongoing in this working group, by providing an initial description of a technology-specific solution based on optical networks.

This document is indeed a work in progress, so feedbacks are surely welcome.

Background: This draft is the output of EU FP7 funded CHRON project. More details of this project can be found at http://www.ict-chron.eu

Best Regards,
Domenico Siracusa


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-siracusa-nmrg-ccon-fwk-00.txt
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:20:22 -0800
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: Elio Salvadori <elio.salvadori@create-net.org>, Ruben M. Lorenzo <rublor@tel.uva.es>, Ramon J. Duran <rduran@tel.uva.es>, Antonio Francescon <antonio.francescon@create-net.org>, Domenico Siracusa <domenico.siracusa@create-net.org>, Ignacio de Miguel <ignacio.miguel@tel.uva.es> 


A new version of I-D, draft-siracusa-nmrg-ccon-fwk-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Antonio Francescon and posted to the
IETF repository.

Filename:	 draft-siracusa-nmrg-ccon-fwk
Revision:	 00
Title:		 Framework for Cognitive Capable Optical Networks
Creation date:	 2013-11-04
Group:		 Individual Submission
Number of pages: 24
URL:             http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-siracusa-nmrg-ccon-fwk-00.txt
Status:          http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-siracusa-nmrg-ccon-fwk
Htmlized:        http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-siracusa-nmrg-ccon-fwk-00


Abstract:
   The increased complexity in the management of highly heterogeneous
   optical networks is recently forcing vendors and providers to look
   for novel mechanisms which diminish the manual intervention by
   favoring the autonomous execution of several operational tasks,
   especially when dealing with network congestion or failure events.
   The adoption of cognitive techniques in networking envisions a
   network which is able to adapt itself to current or forecasted
   conditions by taking into account previous history, and which is
   able to act proactively, rather than reactively, in order to avoid
   problems before they arise. In this document, a novel architectural
   framework that introduces cognitive techniques in the optical
   networking domain is described, and several use cases provided to
   emphasize its effectiveness.

                                                                                  
Ignacio de Miguel is the fifth author (as it appears in the text file provided). I'm not able to have it automatically included in the authors list.

Thanks.

Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF Secretariat


--------------070907030901020601070101-- From granville@inf.ufrgs.br Thu Nov 7 18:03:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7351111E8202 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:03:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.028 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.028 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.321, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wBPiOIAQQtlz for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:03:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.inf.ufrgs.br (puma.inf.ufrgs.br [143.54.11.5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE5F11E8101 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:03:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puma.inf.ufrgs.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADAE61E83 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 00:03:11 -0200 (BRST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (dhcp-885b.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.136.91]) by puma.inf.ufrgs.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9547661E85 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 00:03:08 -0200 (BRST) From: Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:03:02 -0800 References: <20131107172556.8391.10502.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: nmrg@irtf.org Message-Id: <700FDC28-FB06-4884-82F3-67A64F8C0DF6@inf.ufrgs.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1816\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1816) Subject: [nmrg] Fwd: [88all] IETF 88 Agenda Change - NMRG X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 02:03:17 -0000 > Hello Everyone! >=20 > There is a change to the Friday, November 8th 1230 to 1330 NMRG = session. It will now be on Friday, November 8th, 1120 - 1220 in Plaza = B. =20 >=20 > As always, the most up to date agenda is here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/88/agenda.html >=20 > Thank you! >=20 > IETF Secretariat With the news schedule, please consider the following agenda: 32nd Network Management Research Group (NMRG) meeting IETF 88 November 8th 2013 - Vancouver, Canada 09:00 - 11:00 : Friday Morning Session I - Plaza A -------------------------------------------------- 09:00 - 09:05 : Agenda Bashing 09:05 - 09:30 : Network Configuration Negotiation Problem Statement and = Requirements - Sheng Jiang 09:30 - 09:55 : Using Peer-to-Peer to Detect Service Level Agreement = Violations - Jeferson Campos Nobre 09:55 - 10:20 : A Framework for Autonomic Networking - Michael Behringer 10:20 - 11:00 : A running implementation of an autonomic networking = framework - Laurent Ciavaglia 11:20 - 12:20 : Friday Afternoon Session II - Plaza B -----------------------------------------------------=20 11:20 - 11:45 : Bootstrapping Trust on a Homenet - Michael Behringer 11:45 - 12:20 : Discussion - An IRTF/NMRG definition of Autonomic = networking terms=20 Best regards, Olivier and Lisandro From dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel-lucent.com Sat Nov 30 02:23:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E651AE3FE for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 02:23:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pev45V-do3fc for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 02:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com (ihemail2.lucent.com [135.245.0.35]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75461AE391 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 02:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (h135-239-2-122.lucent.com [135.239.2.122]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id rAUANQJw002447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 04:23:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.112]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id rAUANQ3l032709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:23:26 +0100 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA07.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.3.62]) by FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.112]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:23:26 +0100 From: "Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri)" To: "nmrg@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: Outcomes of NMRG @ YVR Thread-Index: Ac7ttjOrUqVRg0iFQcyQwOEpwA4v2g== Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:23:25 +0000 Message-ID: <84675BAA8C49154AB81E2587BE8BDF8308ADE7B0@FR711WXCHMBA07.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.39] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.35 Subject: [nmrg] Outcomes of NMRG @ YVR X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:23:33 -0000 Hi, Except if I missed it, I have not seen an email detailing the outcomes of t= he meeting on the list. Here is my recollection, please let me know if I missed something: - Document main concepts/terms underlying autonomic networking=20 - Document design goals and principles - Document autonomic functions (towards a initial autonomic functional mode= l in a second step) Thanks, -dimitri. ----- Homepage: From olivier.festor@inria.fr Sat Nov 30 02:35:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA301AE406 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 02:35:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y4HrLF5Eb_WK for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 02:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C041AD944 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 02:35:41 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,802,1378850400"; d="scan'208";a="46221751" Received: from unknown (HELO [193.54.15.104]) ([193.54.15.104]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 30 Nov 2013 11:35:39 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) From: Olivier Festor In-Reply-To: <84675BAA8C49154AB81E2587BE8BDF8308ADE7B0@FR711WXCHMBA07.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:35:39 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <84675BAA8C49154AB81E2587BE8BDF8308ADE7B0@FR711WXCHMBA07.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> To: "Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) Cc: "nmrg@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [nmrg] Outcomes of NMRG @ YVR X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:35:43 -0000 Dear Dimitri The minutes will be posted in the next 24 hours. Best Regards /Olivier Festor Le 30 nov. 2013 =E0 11:23, Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri) = a =E9crit : > Hi, >=20 > Except if I missed it, I have not seen an email detailing the outcomes = of the meeting on the list. >=20 > Here is my recollection, please let me know if I missed something: >=20 > - Document main concepts/terms underlying autonomic networking=20 >=20 > - Document design goals and principles >=20 > - Document autonomic functions (towards a initial autonomic functional = model in a second step) >=20 > Thanks, > -dimitri. > ----- > Homepage: > > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From olivier.festor@inria.fr Sat Nov 30 14:08:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CA91AE49C for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:08:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.651 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.651 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9n7NNAGcqQ8g for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACDC1AE49A for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:08:27 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,804,1378850400"; d="scan'208,217";a="46270175" Received: from unknown (HELO [193.54.15.104]) ([193.54.15.104]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 30 Nov 2013 23:08:24 +0100 From: Olivier Festor Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C6EC6B75-937D-4DBD-8207-4C1383F99DC7" Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:08:24 +0100 Message-Id: <14F3FF92-6E58-4A87-A1D8-782B984946B1@inria.fr> To: nmrg@irtf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) Cc: Olivier Festor Subject: [nmrg] Minutes of NMRG 32 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 22:08:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C6EC6B75-937D-4DBD-8207-4C1383F99DC7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear NMRG participants, Please find below the minutes of the 32nd NMRG Meeting in Vancouver. A major outcome of the meeting is the support for the investigation in = the NMRG of autonomic principles, experiments and solutions for IETF = compliant protocols and networks. In particular it has been proposed to work on three RG documents: - One on definitions and concepts (including guidelines to reporting = case studies) - One on the Design goals and principles=20 - One on functions. The starting point for these documents is = draft-behringer-autonomic-network-framework-01.txt All interested contributors, please contact the authors of the draft to = contribute. Best Regards /Lisandro Zanbenedetti Grandville and Olivier Festor NMRG Co-Chairs =3D=3D NMRG 32 on Autonomics Minutes =3D=3D 09:00 - 11:00 : NMRG Session #1 - Friday Morning Session I - Plaza A -------------------------------------------------- 09:00 - 09:05 : Agenda Bashing 09:05 - 09:30 : Network Configuration Negotiation Problem Statement and = Requirements - Sheng Jiang 09:30 - 09:55 : Using Peer-to-Peer to Detect Service Level Agreement = Violations - Jeferson Campos Nobre 09:55 - 10:20 : A Framework for Autonomic Networking - Michael Behringer 10:20 - 11:00 : A running implementation of an autonomic networking = framework - Laurent Ciavaglia 11:20 - 12:20 : NMRG Session #2 - Friday Afternoon Session II - Plaza B -----------------------------------------------------=20 11:20 - 11:45 : Bootstrapping Trust on a Homenet - Michael Behringer 11:45 - 12:20 : Discussion - An IRTF/NMRG definition of Autonomic = networking terms=20 NMRG Session #1 09:04 : Meeting start - 36 participants in the room, none present on jabber Introduction by Lisandro Granville - Note well=20 - Objective of the meeting: - Learn from experience in autonomic management - Build an NMRG/IRTF definition of terms - Agenda bashing Presentation #1: Sheng Jiang & Brian Carpenter - Network Configuration = Negotiation Problem Statement and Requirements=20 The presentation promotes the need to manage any information available = without human intervention. The major idea is to build a system that = allows =AB plug and play for ISPs in the core network =BB The spreaders = present a proposal and a generic protocol to support the idea of = configuration by negotiation in multiple directions: between up and down = devices, between peers, between networks. An example on IP address = blocks negotiation among devices in a network illustrates the proposed = system. Recommendations: 1/ Extend the investigation with a in depth study on the applicability = of existing protocols in the IETF for the negotiation phase. Presentation #2 - Jefferson Nobre - P2P for service level agreement = violation The presentation proposes an autonomic scheme to dynamically provision = active measurement probes in IP networks. Based on the fact that active = measurement is expensive, the work investigates autonomic coordination = of probe activation through different activation strategies: random, = local, remote, combined, coordinated. No particular requirement is = placed on existing nodes, especially it is not requested that every = network node hosts a probe. Recommendations: 1/ Investigate the coordination function in case of topology change in = the underlying network 2/ While probe selection is an interesting approach, a first step would = be to decide where to put probes in the network and deploy them (optimal = placement). Provide a comparison of both approaches 3/ The presented work assumes the metrics use basic tools. However, some = tools today offer very advance adaptation facilities (e.g. RADAR). It is = needed to take these facilities into account in the system (e.g. = sampling capabilities) 4/ Clarify how these probes and their measurements can be validated by a = lawyer, i.e. if the probes tells a constraint was never violated, then = how can this be proven.=20 Presentation #3 - Michael Behringer - A Framework for autonomic = networking A presentation of the content of draft = (draft-behringer-autonomic-network-framework-01.txt) = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-behringer-autonomic-network-framework-01,= providing definitions and stating=20 basic principles of autonomic networking.=20 The document raised a very positive discussion in the session.=20 Recommendations :=20 1/ Make the definition part of the document an RG document.=20 2/ Beyond discovery and messaging protocols, identify functions that can = be factorized in the autonomic plane 3/ Work on a draft that links existing IETF protocols to autonomic = functions. Presentation #5 Laurent Ciavaglia - A running implementation of an = autonomic network framework The presentation is focused on a framework around autonomic functions = with a focus on the NEM and NEM skin concepts developed within the = Universal Management Framework (UMF). A link to the framework described = in the previous presentation is also included. The framework is being = implemented and will be made available to the community to experiment = its applicability to IETF protocols. Recommendation: 1/ Investigate the distribution of the UMF and its impact on performance 2/ Investigate a mapping with the framework defined in = draft-behringer-autonomic-network-framework-01.txt NMRG - SESSION #2 (11h30-12h20) Presentation #1 Michael Behringer - Bootstrapping trust in a Homenet A method to bootstrap trust using a trust anchor in home networks using = vendor certificates is presented. The proposed trust system is the first = step to enable autonomic functions deployment. Recommendations: 1/ Clarify what functions are built on top of the protocols 2/ Investigate the possibility to have these protocols operate as = generic containers to carry as many different scenarios as possible. NMRG Session eon Autonomics - Discussion Several frameworks have been proposed in the session and some are = published in other foras. A potential to integrate them at naming and = definitions level is identified. A general agreement on the soundness of = the work is reached but use cases now need to emerge, be presented and = discussed to assess the value of a potential framework. The problem = solved and the impossibility to solve the same problems with existing = protocols need to be described as well. Existing approaches should be = reconsidered in that context (e.g. the work on autonomic renumbering by = Beck & all). Use cases will more likely be in the cross-domain area. = Experiments need to be properly designed and documented. It is requested = that any autonomic function helps system administrators to ease Initially presented as a framework, the work should rather move towards = guidelines for autonomic networks and these guidelines should come out = of the NMRG. A first step is to agree upon and move forward on the = design principles=20 The RG proposal to be validated on the list are to work on 3 RG = documents: - One on definitions and concepts (including guidelines to reporting = case studies) - One on the Design goals and principles=20 - One on functions. A fourth document that, in coordination with the SDN WG, provides a = common definition of terms regarding what is management and what is = control, what gain an autonomic function brings but also what loss might = be of interest as well. The NCRG might help in providing help determining in which direction we = might be going Next NRMG Meeting : Proposed for London with a focus on the 3 documents.=20= --Apple-Mail=_C6EC6B75-937D-4DBD-8207-4C1383F99DC7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Dear NMRG = participants,

Please find below the minutes of = the 32nd NMRG Meeting in Vancouver.
A major outcome of the = meeting is the support for the investigation in the NMRG of autonomic = principles, experiments and solutions for IETF compliant protocols and = networks.

In particular it has been proposed to = work on three RG documents:

   - One on = definitions and concepts (including guidelines to reporting case = studies)
   - One on the Design goals and = principles 
   - One on = functions.

The starting point for these = documents is draft-behringer-autonomic-network-framework-01.txt

All = interested contributors, please contact the authors of the draft to = contribute.

Best = Regards

/Lisandro= Zanbenedetti Grandville and Olivier Festor
NMRG = Co-Chairs

=3D=3D NMRG 32 on Autonomics = Minutes =3D=3D

09:00 - 11:00 : NMRG Session #1 - Friday Morning Session I - Plaza A
--------------------------------------------------

09:00 - 09:05 : = Agenda Bashing
09:05 = - 09:30 : Network Configuration Negotiation Problem Statement and = Requirements - Sheng Jiang
09:30 - 09:55 : Using Peer-to-Peer to Detect Service Level = Agreement Violations - Jeferson Campos Nobre
09:55 - 10:20 : A = Framework for Autonomic Networking - Michael Behringer
10:20 - 11:00 : A = running implementation of an autonomic networking framework - Laurent = Ciavaglia

11:20 = - 12:20 : NMRG Session #2 - Friday Afternoon Session II - Plaza = B
----------------------------------------------------- <= /div>

11:20 = - 11:45 : Bootstrapping Trust on a Homenet - Michael = Behringer
11:45 = - 12:20 : Discussion - An IRTF/NMRG definition of Autonomic networking = terms 


NMRG Session #1

09:04 : Meeting start

- 36 participants in the room, none present on jabber

Introduction by Lisandro Granville
- Note = well 
- Objective = of the meeting:
  - = Learn from experience in autonomic management
  - = Build an NMRG/IRTF definition of terms
- Agenda = bashing

Presentation #1: Sheng Jiang & Brian Carpenter - Network = Configuration Negotiation Problem Statement and Requirements 

The presentation promotes the need to manage any information = available without human intervention. The major idea is to build a = system that allows =AB plug and play for ISPs in the core network =BB= The spreaders present a proposal and a generic protocol to support the = idea of configuration by negotiation in multiple directions: between up = and down devices, between peers, between networks. An example on IP = address blocks negotiation among devices in a network illustrates the = proposed system.

Recommendations:

1/  Extend the investigation with a in depth study on the = applicability of existing protocols in the IETF for the negotiation = phase.

 Presentation #2 - Jefferson Nobre - P2P for service level = agreement violation

The presentation proposes an autonomic scheme to dynamically = provision active measurement probes in IP networks. Based on the fact = that active measurement is expensive, the work investigates autonomic = coordination of probe activation through different activation = strategies: random, local, remote, combined, coordinated. No particular = requirement is placed on existing nodes, especially it is not requested = that every network node hosts a probe.

Recommendations:

1/ Investigate the coordination function in case of topology = change in the underlying network
2/ While = probe selection is an interesting approach, a first step would be to = decide where to put probes in the network and deploy them (optimal = placement). Provide a comparison of both approaches
3/ The = presented work assumes the metrics use basic tools. However, some tools = today offer very advance adaptation facilities (e.g. RADAR). It is = needed to take these facilities into account in the system (e.g. = sampling capabilities)
4/ Clarify = how these probes and their measurements can be validated by a lawyer, = i.e. if the probes tells a constraint was never violated, then how can = this be proven. 

Presentation #3 - Michael Behringer - A Framework for autonomic = networking

A presentation of the content of draft = (draft-behringer-autonomic-network-framework-01.txt)
basic = principles of autonomic networking. 

The document raised a very positive discussion in the = session. 

Recommendations : 

1/ Make the definition part of the document an RG = document. 
2/ Beyond discovery and messaging protocols, identify functions = that can be factorized in the autonomic plane
3/ Work on a = draft that links existing IETF protocols to autonomic functions.

Presentation #5 Laurent Ciavaglia - A running implementation of = an autonomic network framework

The presentation is focused on a framework around autonomic = functions with a focus on the NEM and NEM skin concepts developed within = the Universal Management Framework (UMF). A link to the framework = described in the previous presentation is also included. The framework = is being implemented and will be made available to the community to = experiment its applicability to IETF protocols.

Recommendation:

1/ Investigate the distribution of the UMF and its impact on = performance
2/ = Investigate a mapping with the framework defined in = draft-behringer-autonomic-network-framework-01.txt


NMRG - SESSION #2 (11h30-12h20)

Presentation #1 Michael Behringer - Bootstrapping trust in a = Homenet

A method to bootstrap trust using a trust anchor in home = networks using vendor certificates is presented. The proposed trust = system is the first step to enable autonomic functions deployment.

Recommendations:

1/ Clarify what functions are built on top of the protocols
2/ = Investigate the possibility to have these protocols operate as generic = containers to carry as many different scenarios as possible.

NMRG Session eon Autonomics - Discussion

Several  frameworks have been proposed in the session and = some are published in other foras. A potential to integrate them at = naming and definitions level is identified. A general agreement on the = soundness of the work is reached but use cases now need to emerge, be = presented and discussed to assess the value of a potential framework. = The problem solved and the impossibility to solve the same problems with = existing protocols need to be described as well. Existing approaches = should be reconsidered in that context (e.g. the work on autonomic = renumbering by Beck & all). Use cases will more likely be in the = cross-domain area. Experiments need to be properly designed and = documented. It is requested that any autonomic function helps system = administrators to ease

Initially presented as a framework, the work should rather move = towards guidelines for autonomic networks and these guidelines should = come out of the NMRG. A first step is to agree upon and move forward on = the design principles 

The RG proposal to be validated on the list are to work on 3 RG = documents:

   - One on definitions and concepts (including = guidelines to reporting case studies)
   - One on the Design goals and = principles 
   - One on functions.

A fourth document that, in coordination with the SDN = WG, provides a common definition of terms regarding what is management = and what is control, what gain an autonomic function brings but also = what loss might be of interest as well.

The NCRG might help in providing help determining in = which direction we might be going


Next NRMG Meeting : Proposed for London with a focus on the 3 = documents. 
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