From nobody Tue Mar 4 10:08:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE551A01DD for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:08:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pxTJ9cGLkv5c for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B641A0187 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50067137B; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:07:58 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id p4Di5sGMe8hH; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:07:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:07:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6E420033; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:07:57 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4T5KaMWHw0Zp; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:07:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BFD2002C; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:07:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 368C12B93615; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:07:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:07:54 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville Message-ID: <20140304180754.GA28061@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville , nmrg@irtf.org References: <8D63CBC0-7EC6-4304-8203-BEB53FD83033@inf.ufrgs.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <8D63CBC0-7EC6-4304-8203-BEB53FD83033@inf.ufrgs.br> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/5rH8ddt6cVh8v-NffqQ7HSq5JN4 Cc: nmrg@irtf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] 33rd NMRG meeting - Call for Contributions X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 18:08:09 -0000 On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 06:46:06PM -0200, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville wrote: > > CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS > > Autonomics for Network Management – Part II > > 33rd Network Management Research Group (NMRG) meeting > IETF 89 - March 2-7, 2014 - London, England > Hi, I see that an NMRG meeting is scheduled for tomorrow (March 6th) but I can't find an agenda - neither on the IETF agenda pages nor have I seen one posted to the mailing list. Does someone know what is expected to happen tomorrow during the meeting? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Mar 4 10:27:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13841A028F for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:27:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bm-ix0oEZCPr for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.inf.ufrgs.br (puma.inf.ufrgs.br [143.54.11.5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2111A0002 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puma.inf.ufrgs.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409F261CFE; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:27:18 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [10.84.13.92] (unknown [85.255.235.241]) by puma.inf.ufrgs.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B8261CCF; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:27:16 -0300 (BRT) References: <8D63CBC0-7EC6-4304-8203-BEB53FD83033@inf.ufrgs.br> <20140304180754.GA28061@elstar.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <20140304180754.GA28061@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5836042B-82AA-4396-AD51-14405D550E5D@inf.ufrgs.br> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11B651) From: Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 18:26:56 +0000 To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/UYGDjduk_UFXy2Xj2Y1IduCblE4 Cc: "nmrg@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [nmrg] 33rd NMRG meeting - Call for Contributions X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 18:27:11 -0000 Hi Juergen The NMRG meeting will be on Thursday. We are just waiting the confirmation o= f a presentation title to advertise the program.=20 Best regards Lisandro Enviado via iPhone > Em 04/03/2014, =C3=A0s 18:07, Juergen Schoenwaelder escreveu: >=20 >> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 06:46:06PM -0200, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville= wrote: >>=20 >> CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS >>=20 >> Autonomics for Network Management =E2=80=93 Part II >>=20 >> 33rd Network Management Research Group (NMRG) meeting >> IETF 89 - March 2-7, 2014 - London, England >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I see that an NMRG meeting is scheduled for tomorrow (March 6th) but I > can't find an agenda - neither on the IETF agenda pages nor have I > seen one posted to the mailing list. >=20 > Does someone know what is expected to happen tomorrow during the > meeting? >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Mar 4 10:36:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70DE1A02C4 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:36:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f-OafzeaEG25 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:36:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3FF1A0262 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:36:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91824139C; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:36:29 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id pA7x3dFztpwc; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:36:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:36:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954412002F; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:36:28 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Pb01hoojhuy; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:36:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CBFF2002C; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:36:26 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id C126F2B9383E; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:36:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:36:25 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville Message-ID: <20140304183625.GA28225@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville , "nmrg@irtf.org" References: <8D63CBC0-7EC6-4304-8203-BEB53FD83033@inf.ufrgs.br> <20140304180754.GA28061@elstar.local> <5836042B-82AA-4396-AD51-14405D550E5D@inf.ufrgs.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5836042B-82AA-4396-AD51-14405D550E5D@inf.ufrgs.br> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/uDYfCD94FUDzc887BIENfxuu4ew Cc: "nmrg@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [nmrg] 33rd NMRG meeting - Call for Contributions X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 18:36:41 -0000 On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 06:26:56PM +0000, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville wrote: > Hi Juergen > > The NMRG meeting will be on Thursday. We are just waiting the confirmation of a presentation title to advertise the program. > Sorry for confusing the date. But since we all have to manage our personal agendas during IETF weeks well, it would be really nice to have an agenda well ahead of the meeting. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Mar 4 12:23:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE7D1A02EE for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:23:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a5tDBLaW_ACo for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:23:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.inf.ufrgs.br (puma.inf.ufrgs.br [143.54.11.5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3A51A02D2 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puma.inf.ufrgs.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C85161D3B for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 17:23:19 -0300 (BRT) Received: from dhcp-hotel-wifi-158-11.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [130.129.158.17]) by puma.inf.ufrgs.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2223261D33 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 17:23:16 -0300 (BRT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville In-Reply-To: <20140304180754.GA28061@elstar.local> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 20:23:00 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <45207723-32AC-4CAC-A1D2-2857DD7ED204@inf.ufrgs.br> References: <8D63CBC0-7EC6-4304-8203-BEB53FD83033@inf.ufrgs.br> <20140304180754.GA28061@elstar.local> To: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/H6_V_5bJXx5fORAMZXt1YYtOy7k Subject: Re: [nmrg] 33rd NMRG meeting - Call for Contributions X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 20:23:17 -0000 Dear all We=92ve just posted the program of the 33rd NMRG meeting in the IETF 89 = material page. The 33rd NMRG meeting is organized as follows: 33rd Network Management Research Group (NMRG) meeting IETF 89 March 6th 2014 - London, UK 13:00 - 15:00 : Thursday Afternoon Session I - Richmond/Chelsea/Tower -------------------------------------------------- 13:00 - 13:05 : Agenda Bashing 13:05 - 13:30 : Proactive self-healing mechanisms for IP networks - = Laurent Ciavaglia 13:30 - 14:00 : Autonomic Network Definitions - Michael Behringer, Brian = Carpenter, Sheng Jiang 14:00 - 14:30 : Gap Analysis for Autonomous Networking - Michael = Behringer, Brian Carpenter, Sheng Jiang 14:30 - 15:00 : Discussion We will probably count with a presentation of Dimitri Papadimitriou, to = be confirmed. Best regards, Lisandro and Olivier Em 04/03/2014, =E0(s) 18:07, Juergen Schoenwaelder = escreveu: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 06:46:06PM -0200, Lisandro Zambenedetti = Granville wrote: >>=20 >> CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS >>=20 >> Autonomics for Network Management =96 Part II >>=20 >> 33rd Network Management Research Group (NMRG) meeting >> IETF 89 - March 2-7, 2014 - London, England >>=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I see that an NMRG meeting is scheduled for tomorrow (March 6th) but I > can't find an agenda - neither on the IETF agenda pages nor have I > seen one posted to the mailing list. >=20 > Does someone know what is expected to happen tomorrow during the > meeting? >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Mar 6 07:55:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BF01A00AE for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 07:55:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23fO7Q76qB24 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 07:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F581A013E for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 07:55:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1171; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1394121349; x=1395330949; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject: content-transfer-encoding; bh=2meFDWCQNt21M3uV/P8UdUey3/BSDo7c+rg6RqMwHB0=; b=Rap4VtoL2dPhkY9j3Buem9/DaGBnwuoc0zoiKoUAGriorgwrymfdWqtS 0J8QNKf84f8yyarpJaJoW6JzPyvUJHlnhBOZ03DHA9f5/Y3ohwhZ2nxsT /zDzvyG+/+ii3s7HsayrET4ignee2n/aDZy3wNvMbvLs9gjqxPx4fWnYO w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAOmZGFOQ/khN/2dsb2JhbABagwbDSRZ0gmR9NAJZCAEBh3WfJ7AOF454hCIEiUyOcoZKi2GDSx4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,601,1389744000"; d="scan'208";a="7461991" Received: from ams-core-4.cisco.com ([144.254.72.77]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Mar 2014 15:55:48 +0000 Received: from [10.82.247.40] (rtp-vpn2-1829.cisco.com [10.82.247.40]) by ams-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s26Ftk20022891 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2014 15:55:47 GMT Message-ID: <53189A82.80404@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 10:55:46 -0500 From: Joe Marcus Clarke Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nmrg@irtf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/sRl076KwPwyH4KX_A2nz71FClgY Subject: [nmrg] Comments on autonomic use cases X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 15:55:54 -0000 After listening to the talks today, I have an overall comment related to network traceability in an autonomic environment. I was very intrigued by Laurent's talk as I have been doing work in this area using Cisco embedded automation. I strongly feel that we should be doing more autonomic cross-device analysis of problem conditions to do smart rerouting in the case of instability. For example, in addition to local factors like temperature and load, we could look at path or hop stability in terms of dropped packets along a flow, jitter, latency, etc. and determine a new optimum/stable path. Additionally, with respect to the troubleshooting section in draft-jiang-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-00, I think there is something that can be done autonomically relating to hardware failure. Given Laurent's ideas again, a device that can detect imminent failure (e.g., SMART-like operations on harddrives), and make proactive changes to the network to reroute around an impending hardware failure until humans can get involved. This can prevent extended outages. Perhaps this is something that could supplement this section of text. 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[31.133.165.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f11sm1689544bkj.6.2014.03.07.02.02.06 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 07 Mar 2014 02:02:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <53199927.1090707@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 23:02:15 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Marcus Clarke References: <53189A82.80404@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <53189A82.80404@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/MLpLRSK33bkMdmElizKn3gViOio Cc: nmrg@irtf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] Comments on autonomic use cases X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:02:14 -0000 Hi Joe, On 07/03/2014 04:55, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > After listening to the talks today, I have an overall comment related to > network traceability in an autonomic environment. I was very intrigued > by Laurent's talk as I have been doing work in this area using Cisco > embedded automation. I strongly feel that we should be doing more > autonomic cross-device analysis of problem conditions to do smart > rerouting in the case of instability. Yes; and not just instability. Other conditions like impending overload could trigger action. (Always with appropriate damping to prevent oscillation, of course.) > For example, in addition to local > factors like temperature and load, we could look at path or hop > stability in terms of dropped packets along a flow, jitter, latency, > etc. and determine a new optimum/stable path. > > Additionally, with respect to the troubleshooting section in > draft-jiang-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-00, I think there is something that can > be done autonomically relating to hardware failure. Given Laurent's > ideas again, a device that can detect imminent failure (e.g., SMART-like > operations on harddrives), and make proactive changes to the network to > reroute around an impending hardware failure until humans can get > involved. This can prevent extended outages. Perhaps this is something > that could supplement this section of text. Thanks, yes. This is a case where more than one device may be involved (which is why we're arguing that an east-west negotiation between devices is needed). Brian From nobody Fri Mar 7 15:47:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8131A020D for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2014 15:47:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y7A4nFwdbVgD for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2014 15:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA291A01C0 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2014 15:47:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3354; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1394236044; x=1395445644; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=l2Lx6iOG+JSivEKWDQo4jRizz5d5ondoSrn3G8q+XEU=; b=W6MtM2OrrPzYBxbauavwNQjZE98MFuzSAzA7G7xxOfZ+HFpFu30rQFu1 Vcq1Wxn1XXh1WuHYoZ95M9pyVJ5yQVzMcC6IXHnLYJsdnxUeOa071Imv6 td0qpnD3aj13FILtEr7VD6lWFaShblm9CDzSrarxPhp/KT+qBczZsPySq Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFABRZGlOtJV2c/2dsb2JhbABagwaBEsEvgRQWdIInAQQ6UQEqFEImAQQbE4den1ewQBeOKoNcgRQEqm6DLYIr X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,610,1389744000"; d="scan'208";a="25831904" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Mar 2014 23:47:23 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x15.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x15.cisco.com [173.36.12.89]) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s27NlN42020698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2014 23:47:23 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com ([169.254.4.171]) by xhc-aln-x15.cisco.com ([173.36.12.89]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 7 Mar 2014 17:47:23 -0600 From: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" To: "nmrg@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: Autonomic Use Cases Thread-Index: Ac86X5T6lfxN1wJKTHant9hA7a0vlg== Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 23:47:22 +0000 Message-ID: <3AA7118E69D7CD4BA3ECD5716BAF28DF1D9AEDD9@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.55.238.131] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/JZekH9XNE2fsMX7jaYK3Fyj_OKY Subject: [nmrg] Autonomic Use Cases X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 23:47:30 -0000 NMRG,=20 During the meeting we mentioned the need to document use cases. This sectio= n in the definitions draft is so far empty. Since we should have that secti= on BEFORE working out the use cases, I drafted something up here.=20 I also realised that while we haven't really written down in the draft that= the key point of this work really is to work out common infrastructure req= uirements. So I'm also suggesting an additional short section in the Design= Goals section:=20
points out that there = are already a number of fully or partially autonomic functions available to= day. However, they are largely independent, and each has its own methods an= d protocols to communicate, discover, define and distribute policy, etc. The goal of the work on autonomic networking in the IETF is therefore n= ot just to create autonomic functions, but to define a common infrastructur= e that autonomic functions can use. This autonomic networking infrastructur= e may contain common control and management functions such as messaging, se= rvice discovery, negotiation, intent distribution, etc. A common approach t= o define and manage intent is also required. Refer to the reference model below: All the components around the "auto= nomic service agents" should be common components, such that the autonomic = service agents do not have to replicate common tasks individually.
Comments? Does this capture the idea well?=20 And then, the use case section could look like this:=20
Case studies and problem statements are mandatory to understand common = requirements for autonomic functions. This section explains how case studie= s should be outlined and what they should describe: Title Problem Statement: An explanation which problem is being addressed, w= ith information about existing solutions and their shortcomings. Intended user / administrator experience: The goal of autonomic netwo= rking is to simplify network administration and usage. Use cases should poi= nt out how their experience differs from current solutions. If a use case d= epends on configuration, it may include configuration samples, although obv= iously the goal is to reduce or eliminate configuration. Intent: Strictly speaking intent is part of the administrator experie= nce, but should probably explained explicitly with a high-level view on how= the autonomic function could be defined in intent (if required). Local knowledge: What the function needs to know about the capabiliti= es of the node itself, and which local resources need to be accessed. Communication requirements: The requirements for message exchange, di= scovery, negotiation, etc with other autonomic nodes. Use cases are not required to outline a solution in detail, nor to spec= ify precise protocol or intent details. They are used at this point to dete= rmine a consolidated approach to developping an autonomic networking infras= tructure.
Comments?=20 Michael From nobody Sat Mar 8 06:03:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6201A0159 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2014 06:03:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fGIkOE31hZPK for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2014 06:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoemail2.alcatel.com (hoemail2.alcatel.com [192.160.6.149]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605701A00FC for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2014 06:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (h135-239-2-42.lucent.com [135.239.2.42]) by hoemail2.alcatel.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id s28E3buR027067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Mar 2014 08:03:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.111]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id s28E3ZWD027808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Mar 2014 15:03:35 +0100 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA07.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.3.10]) by FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.111]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Sat, 8 Mar 2014 15:03:35 +0100 From: "Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri)" To: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" , "nmrg@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: Autonomic Use Cases Thread-Index: Ac86X5T6lfxN1wJKTHant9hA7a0vlgAXSsnA Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 14:03:34 +0000 Message-ID: <84675BAA8C49154AB81E2587BE8BDF8308B4AC52@FR711WXCHMBA07.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <3AA7118E69D7CD4BA3ECD5716BAF28DF1D9AEDD9@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <3AA7118E69D7CD4BA3ECD5716BAF28DF1D9AEDD9@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.41] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/DMnDi4VHCh7E9abEUou9k0-CnQk Subject: Re: [nmrg] Autonomic Use Cases X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2014 14:03:46 -0000 Hi Michael, I certainly share this goal.=20 Reading throughout the intro, OSPF currently provides adaptive routing (wit= hin the setting for which they have been configured, information exchanged = with other OSPF routers, etc.), a main goal that requires also further word= ing is the augmentation of their capability by means of predictive (and not= only reactive) re-parametrization that couldn't be diagnosed by OSPF alone= , information element not exchanged by the OSPF protocol itself, and proced= ures not currently part of its algorithmic. This example can be generalized= to other protocols and processes but bare with me, the ultimate goal of au= tonomics is indeed to provide network-wide (so-called) intelligence to node= s while minimizing functional and informational dependence on centralized m= anagement or control systems.=20 Hence, the focus of this design goal should be on autonomic (distributed) c= ontrol plane elements. Thanks, -dimitri. > -----Original Message----- > From: nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Michael Behringer > (mbehring) > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 00:47 > To: nmrg@irtf.org > Subject: [nmrg] Autonomic Use Cases >=20 > NMRG, >=20 > During the meeting we mentioned the need to document use cases. This > section in the definitions draft is so far empty. Since we should have > that section BEFORE working out the use cases, I drafted something up > here. >=20 > I also realised that while we haven't really written down in the draft > that the key point of this work really is to work out common > infrastructure requirements. So I'm also suggesting an additional short > section in the Design Goals section: >=20 >
> points out that > there are already a number of fully or partially autonomic functions > available today. However, they are largely independent, and each has its > own methods and protocols to communicate, discover, define and distribute > policy, etc. > The goal of the work on autonomic networking in the IETF is > therefore not just to create autonomic functions, but to define a common > infrastructure that autonomic functions can use. This autonomic networkin= g > infrastructure may contain common control and management functions such a= s > messaging, service discovery, negotiation, intent distribution, etc. A > common approach to define and manage intent is also required. > Refer to the reference model below: All the components around the > "autonomic service agents" should be common components, such that the > autonomic service agents do not have to replicate common tasks > individually. >
>=20 > Comments? Does this capture the idea well? >=20 > And then, the use case section could look like this: >=20 >
> Case studies and problem statements are mandatory to understand > common requirements for autonomic functions. This section explains how > case studies should be outlined and what they should describe: > > Title > Problem Statement: An explanation which problem is being > addressed, with information about existing solutions and their > shortcomings. > Intended user / administrator experience: The goal of autonomic > networking is to simplify network administration and usage. Use cases > should point out how their experience differs from current solutions. If = a > use case depends on configuration, it may include configuration samples, > although obviously the goal is to reduce or eliminate configuration. > Intent: Strictly speaking intent is part of the administrator > experience, but should probably explained explicitly with a high-level > view on how the autonomic function could be defined in intent (if > required). > Local knowledge: What the function needs to know about the > capabilities of the node itself, and which local resources need to be > accessed. > Communication requirements: The requirements for message > exchange, discovery, negotiation, etc with other autonomic nodes. > > > Use cases are not required to outline a solution in detail, nor > to specify precise protocol or intent details. They are used at this poin= t > to determine a consolidated approach to developping an autonomic > networking infrastructure. >
>=20 > Comments? > Michael >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From nobody Sat Mar 8 13:26:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD161A02DB for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2014 13:26:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z4sRvQ7V3EUA for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2014 13:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFEB1A02F2 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2014 13:26:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4057; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1394313966; x=1395523566; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fW8FXBCbwnzQ9ejoDA2jZR/YactrpheIoNMAPpyqkVI=; b=Ykhz+ipj9ynJt1FIyVwJRTOIf3KYYzTcCDYEko2dt/m5NsicYLpi4dPc XUJ3X9Ggquuj4cIPVHdBIS685+GOWh85VXrBmXtJ529KEBzCktkN/SwKy V8A/T567ToBu0YCXPmjq4m+AYiYCYHpKWWRQRsJgOdfJvGorm03OC2fe1 Y=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,615,1389744000"; d="scan'208";a="7188042" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.72.81]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Mar 2014 21:26:05 +0000 Received: from [10.117.46.171] (rtp-jclarke-89110.cisco.com [10.117.46.171]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s28LQ4CU001774; Sat, 8 Mar 2014 21:26:04 GMT Message-ID: <531B8AEC.9050501@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2014 16:26:04 -0500 From: Joe Marcus Clarke Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" , "nmrg@irtf.org" References: <3AA7118E69D7CD4BA3ECD5716BAF28DF1D9AEDD9@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <3AA7118E69D7CD4BA3ECD5716BAF28DF1D9AEDD9@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/RGol2a93AekaiPa1iKjoakd9K64 Subject: Re: [nmrg] Autonomic Use Cases X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2014 21:26:13 -0000 On 3/7/14, 6:47 PM, Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote: > NMRG, > > During the meeting we mentioned the need to document use cases. This section in the definitions draft is so far empty. Since we should have that section BEFORE working out the use cases, I drafted something up here. > > I also realised that while we haven't really written down in the draft that the key point of this work really is to work out common infrastructure requirements. So I'm also suggesting an additional short section in the Design Goals section: > >
> points out that there are already a number of fully or partially autonomic functions available today. However, they are largely independent, and each has its own methods and protocols to communicate, discover, define and distribute policy, etc. > The goal of the work on autonomic networking in the IETF is therefore not just to create autonomic functions, but to define a common infrastructure that autonomic functions can use. This autonomic networking infrastructure may contain common control and management functions such as messaging, service discovery, negotiation, intent distribution, etc. A common approach to define and manage intent is also required. Is this IETF or IRTF? I know the goal is to eventually move into the IETF, but what do you intend here? > Refer to the reference model below: All the components around the "autonomic service agents" should be common components, such that the autonomic service agents do not have to replicate common tasks individually. >
> > Comments? Does this capture the idea well? I think so. I like the idea of moving beyond atomic autonomic functions into more of an autonomic system. One key aspect of this system is self-monitoring and diagnostics (think regulation). The idea of probes, sentinels, etc. play into this, and I think it should be called out in the list. > > And then, the use case section could look like this: > >
> Case studies and problem statements are mandatory to understand common requirements for autonomic functions. This section explains how case studies should be outlined and what they should describe: > > Title > Problem Statement: An explanation which problem is being addressed, with information about existing solutions and their shortcomings. Nit: OF which problem is being... > Intended user / administrator experience: The goal of autonomic networking is to simplify network administration and usage. Use cases should point out how their experience differs from current solutions. If a use case depends on configuration, it may include configuration samples, although obviously the goal is to reduce or eliminate configuration. > Intent: Strictly speaking intent is part of the administrator experience, but should probably explained explicitly with a high-level view on how the autonomic function could be defined in intent (if required). Nit: probably BE explained... > Local knowledge: What the function needs to know about the capabilities of the node itself, and which local resources need to be accessed. > Communication requirements: The requirements for message exchange, discovery, negotiation, etc with other autonomic nodes. > > > Use cases are not required to outline a solution in detail, nor to specify precise protocol or intent details. They are used at this point to determine a consolidated approach to developping an autonomic networking infrastructure. Nit: DEVELOPING (typo) >
> > Comments? I think this is a good set of high-level guidelines. Is there a need for remote knowledge as well? That is, what if a node needs to know topology to make the right choice? Joe From nobody Mon Mar 10 08:16:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE53B1A0496 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 08:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1hI2wj9V40cf for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 08:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8CB1A0233 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 08:16:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1854; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1394464563; x=1395674163; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=4qdv7rU64r8sy3NMf1kTCbFvAh/lez7MJ6YEuNbGtSU=; b=dB4lKH3jABEJcRdfk/WDjLW85oGYpKQ+bMmSLg8vP9Wppq7JXOYXeApt 65pFd344OiMZEJx8Jw3jFMxMMgzjX8x8HVdxIwZaiWZui02ctMUclkLWx u77tLS3opVfXdt5Oocdoe7ufbyu4R1SQpziS5okFZ+IcBptbhwNc1QsFR A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhgFAPDWHVOtJXG8/2dsb2JhbABagwY7V8E8gRsWdIIlAQEBBAEBATc0FwQCAQgRBAEBCxQJBycLFAkIAgQBEgiHcQ3PRBMEjF+BSzgGgx6BFASqcoMtgis X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,624,1389744000"; d="scan'208";a="309048637" Received: from rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com ([173.37.113.188]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2014 15:15:59 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x08.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x08.cisco.com [173.37.183.82]) by rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s2AFFxET011757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 15:15:59 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com ([169.254.4.171]) by xhc-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([173.37.183.82]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:15:58 -0500 From: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" To: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" , "nmrg@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: [nmrg] Comments on autonomic use cases Thread-Index: AQHPOVSVhQgY0FPTw0WzVDfxysZ0XJraG7Ag Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 15:15:58 +0000 Message-ID: <3AA7118E69D7CD4BA3ECD5716BAF28DF1D9B08BB@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> References: <53189A82.80404@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <53189A82.80404@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.148.163.59] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/EMBqN18wzGQITnb3TVQiqPDWmyk Subject: Re: [nmrg] Comments on autonomic use cases X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 15:16:18 -0000 Joe,=20 I like your ideas. Why don't you write them up, either as a standalone use = case, or with Laurent? It would be interesting to see a concrete example of= such an autonomic behaviour, and deduce which type of interactions would b= e required.=20 Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Joe Clarke > (jclarke) > Sent: 06 March 2014 16:56 > To: nmrg@irtf.org > Subject: [nmrg] Comments on autonomic use cases >=20 > After listening to the talks today, I have an overall comment related to > network traceability in an autonomic environment. I was very intrigued b= y > Laurent's talk as I have been doing work in this area using Cisco embedde= d > automation. I strongly feel that we should be doing more autonomic cross= - > device analysis of problem conditions to do smart rerouting in the case o= f > instability. For example, in addition to local factors like temperature = and > load, we could look at path or hop stability in terms of dropped packets > along a flow, jitter, latency, etc. and determine a new optimum/stable pa= th. >=20 > Additionally, with respect to the troubleshooting section in draft-jiang- > nmrg-an-gap-analysis-00, I think there is something that can be done > autonomically relating to hardware failure. Given Laurent's ideas again,= a > device that can detect imminent failure (e.g., SMART-like operations on > harddrives), and make proactive changes to the network to reroute around > an impending hardware failure until humans can get involved. This can > prevent extended outages. Perhaps this is something that could > supplement this section of text. >=20 > Joe >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From nobody Mon Mar 10 08:17:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0272B1A0496 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 08:17:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gRPhYG3rSpXI for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 08:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1E61A0492 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 08:17:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5353; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1394464615; x=1395674215; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=RerCByhJNCu5SFAtYoRPuDB9JYDPJ4y0nlnd+0Rpbn0=; b=JX6+m7b5nmmv/KNyrtPZ22TZAuQI4+06iYlD1KMJRYHM1qlsv1019Oe5 Br9O7kQXXzhGSg1W+LNaAA7YClEE7diBmk6xeWoq4OkqEyply7duLcLvO oNx56pxQj8XqXDdTKwmQWYzoG6kWywTNKhuKqdijE8Ia/TAbTVrQRaf4R I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhcFAPDWHVOtJV2c/2dsb2JhbABagwaBEsE8gRsWdIIlAQEBAwE6RAcEAgEIEQQBAQEKFBAyHQgBAQQBEggTh1YIz1EXjio4BoMegRQEqnKDLYIr X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,624,1389744000"; d="scan'208";a="309238751" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2014 15:16:55 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com [173.36.12.87]) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s2AFGt4E002835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 15:16:55 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com ([169.254.4.171]) by xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com ([173.36.12.87]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:16:54 -0500 From: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" To: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" , "nmrg@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: [nmrg] Autonomic Use Cases Thread-Index: Ac86X5T6lfxN1wJKTHant9hA7a0vlgA57goAAEMkh2A= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 15:16:53 +0000 Message-ID: <3AA7118E69D7CD4BA3ECD5716BAF28DF1D9B0939@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> References: <3AA7118E69D7CD4BA3ECD5716BAF28DF1D9AEDD9@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> <531B8AEC.9050501@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <531B8AEC.9050501@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.148.163.59] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/Hl1lS55roBr3w-chP30uMIX0w2I Subject: Re: [nmrg] Autonomic Use Cases X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 15:17:06 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Clarke (jclarke) > Sent: 08 March 2014 22:26 > To: Michael Behringer (mbehring); nmrg@irtf.org > Subject: Re: [nmrg] Autonomic Use Cases >=20 > On 3/7/14, 6:47 PM, Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote: > > NMRG, > > > > During the meeting we mentioned the need to document use cases. This > section in the definitions draft is so far empty. Since we should have th= at > section BEFORE working out the use cases, I drafted something up here. > > > > I also realised that while we haven't really written down in the draft = that > the key point of this work really is to work out common infrastructure > requirements. So I'm also suggesting an additional short section in the > Design Goals section: > > > >
> > points out that > there are already a number of fully or partially autonomic functions > available today. However, they are largely independent, and each has its > own methods and protocols to communicate, discover, define and > distribute policy, etc. > > The goal of the work on autonomic networking in the IETF is > > therefore not just to create autonomic functions, but to define a > > common infrastructure that autonomic functions can use. This autonomic > > networking infrastructure may contain common control and management > > functions such as messaging, service discovery, negotiation, intent > > distribution, etc. A common approach to define and manage intent is > > also required. >=20 > Is this IETF or IRTF? I know the goal is to eventually move into the IET= F, but > what do you intend here? The way I see it, we kick this work off in the IRTF, but will soon move to = the IETF for standardisation of approaches. Personally I think we don't nee= d to be overly precise here, especially since IMO this section is going to = drop off the final doc if and when it becomes an RFC.=20 =20 > > Refer to the reference model below: All the components around > the "autonomic service agents" should be common components, such that > the autonomic service agents do not have to replicate common tasks > individually. > >
> > > > Comments? Does this capture the idea well? >=20 > I think so. I like the idea of moving beyond atomic autonomic functions = into > more of an autonomic system. One key aspect of this system is self- > monitoring and diagnostics (think regulation). The idea of probes, > sentinels, etc. play into this, and I think it should be called out in th= e list. Good point, added "self-monitoring and diagnostics" to the list. Thanks! =20 > > > > And then, the use case section could look like this: > > > >
> > Case studies and problem statements are mandatory to > understand common requirements for autonomic functions. This section > explains how case studies should be outlined and what they should > describe: > > > > Title > > Problem Statement: An explanation which problem is being > > addressed, with information about existing solutions and their > > shortcomings. >=20 > Nit: OF which problem is being... Fixed. Thank you! :-)=20 =20 > > Intended user / administrator experience: The goal of > autonomic networking is to simplify network administration and usage. Use > cases should point out how their experience differs from current solution= s. > If a use case depends on configuration, it may include configuration > samples, although obviously the goal is to reduce or eliminate > configuration. > > Intent: Strictly speaking intent is part of the administrator > > experience, but should probably explained explicitly with a high-level > > view on how the autonomic function could be defined in intent (if > > required). >=20 > Nit: probably BE explained... Fixed, thank you! :-)=20 > > Local knowledge: What the function needs to know about the > capabilities of the node itself, and which local resources need to be > accessed. > > Communication requirements: The requirements for message > exchange, discovery, negotiation, etc with other autonomic nodes. > > > > > > Use cases are not required to outline a solution in detail, nor to > > specify precise protocol or intent details. They are used at this > > point to determine a consolidated approach to developping an autonomic > > networking infrastructure. >=20 > Nit: DEVELOPING (typo) Fixed as well, thanks for the review! =20 > >
> > > > Comments? >=20 > I think this is a good set of high-level guidelines. Is there a need for= remote > knowledge as well? That is, what if a node needs to know topology to mak= e > the right choice? Yes there is. The academic research in autonomic networking defines a "know= ledge plane" for this purpose. You're right, that needs to be represented h= ere somehow. I would contend that knowledge is both "inside" and "remote". = It is however a fairly abstract concept, we'll need to nail this down with = some good use cases.=20 Michael > Joe From nobody Mon Mar 10 23:15:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082CE1A063E for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:15:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.148 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.148 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RQOrpkXshgCZ for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com (szxga01-in.huawei.com [119.145.14.64]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with 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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" , "nmrg@irtf.org" References: <53189A82.80404@cisco.com> <3AA7118E69D7CD4BA3ECD5716BAF28DF1D9B08BB@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <3AA7118E69D7CD4BA3ECD5716BAF28DF1D9B08BB@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/tYfse3clmgG_CPOu_Rmg_JL10tg Subject: Re: [nmrg] Comments on autonomic use cases X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 05:12:19 -0000 On 3/10/14, 11:15 AM, Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote: > Joe, > > I like your ideas. Why don't you write them up, either as a standalone use case, or with Laurent? It would be interesting to see a concrete example of such an autonomic behaviour, and deduce which type of interactions would be required. Happy to. Laurent is away, but when he returns, I'll see what we wants to do. Joe > > Michael > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Joe Clarke >> (jclarke) >> Sent: 06 March 2014 16:56 >> To: nmrg@irtf.org >> Subject: [nmrg] Comments on autonomic use cases >> >> After listening to the talks today, I have an overall comment related to >> network traceability in an autonomic environment. I was very intrigued by >> Laurent's talk as I have been doing work in this area using Cisco embedded >> automation. I strongly feel that we should be doing more autonomic cross- >> device analysis of problem conditions to do smart rerouting in the case of >> instability. For example, in addition to local factors like temperature and >> load, we could look at path or hop stability in terms of dropped packets >> along a flow, jitter, latency, etc. and determine a new optimum/stable path. >> >> Additionally, with respect to the troubleshooting section in draft-jiang- >> nmrg-an-gap-analysis-00, I think there is something that can be done >> autonomically relating to hardware failure. Given Laurent's ideas again, a >> device that can detect imminent failure (e.g., SMART-like operations on >> harddrives), and make proactive changes to the network to reroute around >> an impending hardware failure until humans can get involved. This can >> prevent extended outages. Perhaps this is something that could >> supplement this section of text. >> >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nmrg mailing list >> nmrg@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From nobody Fri Mar 14 23:39:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C91A1A0035 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 23:39:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V_i2bkxl6abn for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 23:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yh0-x22b.google.com (mail-yh0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22b]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609561A002A for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 23:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f43.google.com with SMTP id b6so3511141yha.16 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 23:39:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GackySr3gL30HZWxIS+67IQrqBHuyRYeva4CiB5JHQk=; b=sKyA5SiIJuhQ04QGrrttFIlOsOnSQOjnYW7VngfIBqmoNK3bBbsUDQ21znt4rXKMd7 eRpmCqbDdjheX6cWiUxiD/6dKbCvSVFQpYPEmwMWxbrZJZ8WKvfgyb3XAofI8IsjYQmC 3EIAl8+/HWVjZEx8LlZynqDhmE01O3X9giIQNCRcGTQxguY7Z3f/eGdQLoqrdXwgQmlq rU5eQtoWC4jDWzBINuWOiAjSu+rVuHPQ4HA7/A57Dw7OS+j3u0B3qUeUiIlEdVsl6olD aq/aZ7gUTEBrErzNYzEyCOyufCzz9IrEqrGcD6dBfptQGPAMFvrSGuLsWZVS2HcE92RN L2/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.100.235 with SMTP id z71mr17157135yhf.43.1394865539992; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 23:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Sender: phanvc@gmail.com Received: by 10.170.139.8 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 23:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 13:38:59 +0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: R_iksOHM60MRDFbR8RwyKNPr5Wk Message-ID: From: Phan Cong Vinh To: nmrg@irtf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301b65fb054fc204f49f716b Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/bu3-NbnSw3ma8g6max6nBPUKbEc Subject: [nmrg] [ICTCC 2014] CFP: The International Conference on NaTure of Computation and Communication X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 06:39:11 -0000 --20cf301b65fb054fc204f49f716b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The International Conference on NaTure of Computation and Communication (ICTCC) Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam Time: 24-25 November 2014 Website: http://ictcc.org/2014 ---- The ICTCC 2014 jointly organized by EAI and Nguyen Tat Thanh University (NTTU) is a place for highly original ideas about how the nature is going to shape computing systems of the future. Hence, it focuses on rigorous approaches and cutting-edge solutions, which encompass three classes of major methods: Those that take inspiration from nature for the development of novel problem solving techniques; Those that are based on the use of computers or networks to synthesize natural phenomena; and Those that employ natural materials (e.g., molecules,) to compute or communicate. Its purpose is to make a formal basis more accessible to researchers, scientists, professionals and students as well as developers and practitioners in ICT by providing them with state-of-the-art research results, applications, opportunities and future trends. We hope that the conference will receive many papers and the participation of a large number of students, researchers, and professionals from all over the world. Original papers are solicited for the ICTCC 2014. In particular, theoretical contributions should be formally stated and justified, and practical applications should be based on their firm formal basis. Suggested topics include, but are not limited to, the following: SCOPE OF TOPICS: Autonomic computing/communicating Amorphous computing Biologically-inspired computing/communicating Cellular automata Cellular computing Collective intelligence in computing/communicating Collision-based computing Computation/communication based on chaos and dynamical systems Context-aware computing/communicating DNA computing Evolutionary computing Hypercomputation Massive parallel computing Membrane computing Molecular computing Neural computing Optical computing Physarum computing Quantum computing Relativistic computing Spatial computing Swam intelligence in computing/communicating Wetware computing HIGHLIGHTS The event is endorsed by the European Alliance for Innovation, a leading community-based organization devoted to the advancement of innovation in the field of ICT All accepted papers will be published by Springer and made available through SpringerLink Digital Library, one of the world's largest scientific libraries Proceedings will be submitted for indexing by Google Scholar, ISI, EI Compendex, Scopus and many more IMPORTANT DATES Workshop proposals due: 01 April 2014 Tutorial/Industry track proposal deadline: 06 June 2014 Demo/Poster proposal deadline: 06 June 2014 Submission deadline: 31 July 2014 Notification of acceptance: 31 August 2014 Camera-ready deadline: 01 October 2014 PUBLICATION Official conference proceedings of ICTCC 2014 will appear in the Lecture Notes of ICST (LNICST) series jointly published by ICST and Springer and indexed in DBLP, Google Scholar, ISI Proceedings, EI, CrossRef and Zentralblatt Math. All papers, but particularly those nominated for the Best Paper competition, will be automatically considered for publication in an expanded form in the special issues of Springer Mobile Networks and Applications (MONET) journal (SCIE-indexed) and EAI endorsed Transactions on Context-Aware Systems and Applications --20cf301b65fb054fc204f49f716b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0= The International Conference on NaTure of = Computation and Communication
(ICTCC)

Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Time: 24-25 November 2014
Website: http://ictcc.org/2014

----

The ICTCC 2014 jointly organized by EAI and Nguyen Tat Thanh University
(NTTU) is a place for highly original ideas about how the nature is going
to shape computing systems of the future. Hence, it focuses on rigorous
approaches and cutting-edge solutions, which encompass three classes of
major methods:

    Those that take inspiration from nature for the development of novel
problem solving techniques;
    Those that are based on the use of computers or networks to synthesize
natural phenomena; and
    Those that employ natural materials (e.g., molecules,) to compute or
communicate.

Its purpose is to make a formal basis more accessible to researchers,
scientists, professionals and students as well as developers and
practitioners in ICT by providing them with state-of-the-art research
results, applications, opportunities and future trends.

We hope that the conference will receive many papers and the participation
of a large number of students, researchers, and professionals from all over
the world.

Original papers are solicited for the ICTCC 2014. In particular,
theoretical contributions should be formally stated and justified, and
practical applications should be based on their firm formal basis.
Suggested topics include, but are not limited to, the following:
SCOPE OF TOPICS:

    Autonomic computing/communicating
    Amorphous computing
    Biologically-inspired computing/communicating
    Cellular automata
    Cellular computing
    Collective intelligence in computing/communicating
    Collision-based computing
    Computation/communication based on chaos and dynamical systems
    Context-aware computing/communicating
    DNA computing
    Evolutionary computing
    Hypercomputation
    Massive parallel computing
    Membrane computing
    Molecular computing
    Neural computing
    Optical computing
    Physarum computing
    Quantum computing
    Relativistic computing
    Spatial computing
    Swam intelligence in computing/communicating
    Wetware computing

HIGHLIGHTS

    The event is endorsed by the European Alliance for Innovation, a
leading community-based organization devoted to the advancement of
innovation in the field of ICT

    All accepted papers will be published by Springer and made available
through SpringerLink Digital Library, one of the world's largest scient=
ific
libraries

    Proceedings will be submitted for indexing by Google Scholar, ISI, EI
Compendex, Scopus and many more

IMPORTANT DATES

    Workshop proposals due: 01 April 2014

    Tutorial/Industry track proposal deadline: 06 June 2014

    Demo/Poster proposal deadline: 06 June 2014

    Submission deadline: 31 July 2014

    Notification of acceptance: 31 August 2014

    Camera-ready deadline: 01 October 2014

PUBLICATION

Official conference proceedings of ICTCC 2014 will appear in the Lecture
Notes of ICST (LNICST) series jointly published by ICST and Springer and
indexed in DBLP, Google Scholar, ISI Proceedings, EI, CrossRef and
Zentralblatt Math.

All papers, but particularly those nominated for the Best Paper
competition, will be automatically considered for publication in an
expanded form in the special issues of Springer Mobile Networks and
Applications (MONET) journal (SCIE-indexed) and EAI endorsed Transactions
on Context-Aware Systems and Applications

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