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7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.0.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150304004305.12433.28241.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 16:43:05 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: nmrg@irtf.org Subject: [nmrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 00:43:11 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : General Gap Analysis for Autonomic Networking Authors : Sheng Jiang Brian Carpenter Michael H. Behringer Filename : draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2015-03-03 Abstract: This document provides a problem statement and general gap analysis for an IP-based autonomic network that is mainly based on distributed network devices. The document provides a background by reviewing the current status of autonomic aspects of IP networks and the extent to which current network management depends on centralisation and human administrators. Finally the document outlines the general features missing from current network abilities that are needed in the ideal autonomic network concept. 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([2406:e007:4f85:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id zt11sm2135278pab.36.2015.03.03.16.49.47 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Mar 2015 16:49:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54F656AF.4080803@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 13:49:51 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nmrg@irtf.org References: <20150304004305.12433.28241.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150304004305.12433.28241.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 00:49:53 -0000 Hi, This version responds to some comments from the IRSG. There is no major change. Regards Brian + co-authors On 04/03/2015 13:43, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Network Management Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : General Gap Analysis for Autonomic Networking > Authors : Sheng Jiang > Brian Carpenter > Michael H. Behringer > Filename : draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04.txt > Pages : 17 > Date : 2015-03-03 > > Abstract: > This document provides a problem statement and general gap analysis > for an IP-based autonomic network that is mainly based on distributed > network devices. The document provides a background by reviewing the > current status of autonomic aspects of IP networks and the extent to > which current network management depends on centralisation and human > administrators. Finally the document outlines the general features > missing from current network abilities that are needed in the ideal > autonomic network concept. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg > From nobody Fri Mar 6 12:43:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D837D1A1A37; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 08:28:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FV812YOSE4pJ; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 08:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F2C1A1BE8; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 08:23:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: , , , , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.0.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150305162305.9682.74497.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 08:23:05 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:43:45 -0800 Subject: [nmrg] Telechat update notice: X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 16:28:47 -0000 Placed on agenda for telechat - 2015-03-12 ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ From nobody Mon Mar 9 01:20:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D742C1A86E0; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 01:20:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UKXjJZ4-fwji; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 01:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D15B1A6FF7; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 01:20:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.0.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150309082010.18646.29661.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 01:20:10 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: nmrg@irtf.org Subject: [nmrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 08:20:14 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : Autonomic Networking - Definitions and Design Goals Authors : Michael Behringer Max Pritikin Steinthor Bjarnason Alexander Clemm Brian Carpenter Sheng Jiang Laurent Ciavaglia Filename : draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2015-03-09 Abstract: Autonomic systems were first described in 2001. The fundamental goal is self-management, including self-configuration, self-optimization, self-healing and self-protection. This is achieved by an autonomic function having minimal dependencies on human administrators or centralized management systems. It usually implies distribution across network elements. This document defines common language, and outlines design goals and non-design goals for autonomic functions. A high level reference model illustrates how functional elements in an autonomic network interact. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 9 01:20:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216E21A7021; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 01:20:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d88rETeowNU3; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 01:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3391A86E3; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 01:20:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: , , , , "IRSG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.0.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150309082010.18646.42033.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 01:20:10 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] New Version Notification - draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 08:20:15 -0000 A new version (-06) has been submitted for draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ Diff from previous version: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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From nobody Mon Mar 9 01:20:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 503C21A86E1; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 01:20:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216E21A7021; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 01:20:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d88rETeowNU3; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 01:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3391A86E3; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 01:20:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: , , , , "IRSG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.0.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150309082010.18646.42033.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 01:20:10 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] New Version Notification - draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 08:20:15 -0000 A new version (-06) has been submitted for draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ Diff from previous version: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Tue, 10 Mar 2015 15:35:25 +0000 (UTC) RT-Owner: pearl.liang From: "Pearl Liang via RT" In-Reply-To: <20150305080824.20635.45613.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20150305080824.20635.45613.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: X-RT-Loop-Prevention: IANA X-RT-Ticket: IANA #811486 X-Managed-BY: RT 4.2.9 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) X-RT-Originator: pearl.liang@icann.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 15:35:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 10:33:17 -0700 Cc: draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietf.org, nmrg@irtf.org, irsg@irtf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [nmrg] [IANA #811486] Conflict Review requested for draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: drafts-eval@iana.org List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 15:35:38 -0000 (BEGIN IANA COMMENTS) IESG/Authors: IANA has reviewed draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis version 04 and has the following comments: We understand that, upon approval of this document, there are no IANA Actions that need completion. While it is helpful for the IANA Considerations section of the document to remain in place upon publication, if the authors prefer to remove it, IANA doesn't object. If this assessment is not accurate, please respond as soon as possible. Thanks, Pearl Liang ICANN (END IANA COMMENTS) On Thu Mar 05 08:08:48 2015, noreply@ietf.org wrote: > Lars Eggert has requested a conflict review for: > draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis > General Gap Analysis for Autonomic Networking > > The conflict review is being tracked at > analysis/> From nobody Tue Mar 10 10:36:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id ECDF71A1B4B; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:06:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB281A1B46; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:06:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g7Mwy5ouV8v9; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B841A1AB9; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:06:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: , , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.0.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150310160604.5538.60786.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:06:04 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 10:36:00 -0700 Subject: [nmrg] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 16:06:09 -0000 IANA review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ From nobody Wed Mar 11 09:25:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1C81ACDB2; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9kf7hmqQ7PLP; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9551ACDA3; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:25:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Benoit Claise" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150311162500.18582.31920.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:25:00 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: nmrg@irtf.org, draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [nmrg] Benoit Claise's Yes on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:25:02 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- During my review of this document I noticed the following issues that the authors and ISE may want to address. - For the work in the IETF and IRTF we define the "self" properties on the node level. It is the design goal to make functions on network nodes self- managing, in other words, minimally dependent on management systems or controllers, as well as human operators. Self- managing functions on a node might need to exchange information with other nodes in order to achieve the required goals. First, it's not too clear what "goals" are. It's the intent, right? Then, I see: Autonomic: Self-managing (self-configuring, self-protecting, self- healing, self-optimizing); however, allowing high-level guidance by a central entity, through intent. An autonomic function adapts on its own to a changing environment. >From this definition, I deduce that the intent is provided by a central entity. You might want to stress it. - For the foreseeable future, fully autonomic nodes and networks will be the exception; autonomic behaviour will initially be defined function by function. What is the difference between an autonomic node and a fully autonomic node? Definition: Autonomic Node: A node which employs exclusively autonomic functions. Proposal: remove "fully" - OLD: netconf NEW: NETCONF - Therefore, also nodes in an autonomic network require a northbound interface. However, the design goal is to maintain this interface as simple and high level as possible. We can also receive the intent from other nodes, right? So it's not always a north-bound interface from a central entity, right? Might be worth mentioning. The term "control plane" is mentioned later on, and this one doesn't imply the notion of northbound. Worth reusing? Up to you. If you do, "northbound interface" is also mentioned in section 4.3 - OLD: However, in an autonomic network reporting should happen on a network wide basis. NEW: However, in an autonomic network, reporting should happen on a network wide basis. - [I-D.irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis] points out that there are already a number of fully or partially autonomic functions available today. Same remark about fully in fully autonomic function - This does not, however, imply the elimination of skilled human operators, who will still be needed for oversight, policy management, diagnosis, reaction to help desk tickets, etc. etc. Two instances of "etc" - It's confusing that Section 5 contains capitalized terms, for some new terms defined in that section. An Autonomic Network consists of Autonomic Nodes. Those nodes communicate with each other through an Autonomic Control Plane which provides a robust and secure communications overlay. The Autonomic Control Plane is self-organizing and autonomic itself. It's the first time I see Autonomic Network and Autonomic Nodes capitalized (personal taste: I prefer when definitions are capitalized). For example, "Autonomic Control Plane" is a definition in this section 5. - I was expecting that the figure 1 would at least contain the autonomic node and autonomic function building blocks specified in section 2. From nobody Wed Mar 11 09:25:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6AD601ACDBB; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1C81ACDB2; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9kf7hmqQ7PLP; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9551ACDA3; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:25:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Benoit Claise" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150311162500.18582.31920.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:25:00 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: nmrg@irtf.org, draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [nmrg] Benoit Claise's Yes on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:25:02 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- During my review of this document I noticed the following issues that the authors and ISE may want to address. - For the work in the IETF and IRTF we define the "self" properties on the node level. It is the design goal to make functions on network nodes self- managing, in other words, minimally dependent on management systems or controllers, as well as human operators. Self- managing functions on a node might need to exchange information with other nodes in order to achieve the required goals. First, it's not too clear what "goals" are. It's the intent, right? Then, I see: Autonomic: Self-managing (self-configuring, self-protecting, self- healing, self-optimizing); however, allowing high-level guidance by a central entity, through intent. An autonomic function adapts on its own to a changing environment. >From this definition, I deduce that the intent is provided by a central entity. You might want to stress it. - For the foreseeable future, fully autonomic nodes and networks will be the exception; autonomic behaviour will initially be defined function by function. What is the difference between an autonomic node and a fully autonomic node? Definition: Autonomic Node: A node which employs exclusively autonomic functions. Proposal: remove "fully" - OLD: netconf NEW: NETCONF - Therefore, also nodes in an autonomic network require a northbound interface. However, the design goal is to maintain this interface as simple and high level as possible. We can also receive the intent from other nodes, right? So it's not always a north-bound interface from a central entity, right? Might be worth mentioning. The term "control plane" is mentioned later on, and this one doesn't imply the notion of northbound. Worth reusing? Up to you. If you do, "northbound interface" is also mentioned in section 4.3 - OLD: However, in an autonomic network reporting should happen on a network wide basis. NEW: However, in an autonomic network, reporting should happen on a network wide basis. - [I-D.irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis] points out that there are already a number of fully or partially autonomic functions available today. Same remark about fully in fully autonomic function - This does not, however, imply the elimination of skilled human operators, who will still be needed for oversight, policy management, diagnosis, reaction to help desk tickets, etc. etc. Two instances of "etc" - It's confusing that Section 5 contains capitalized terms, for some new terms defined in that section. An Autonomic Network consists of Autonomic Nodes. Those nodes communicate with each other through an Autonomic Control Plane which provides a robust and secure communications overlay. The Autonomic Control Plane is self-organizing and autonomic itself. It's the first time I see Autonomic Network and Autonomic Nodes capitalized (personal taste: I prefer when definitions are capitalized). For example, "Autonomic Control Plane" is a definition in this section 5. - I was expecting that the figure 1 would at least contain the autonomic node and autonomic function building blocks specified in section 2. From nobody Thu Mar 12 00:21:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1ACA1A8A9D; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:21:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8eANAgcUPJAT; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998531A8A99; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:21:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150312072139.3543.82942.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:21:39 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: nmrg@irtf.org, draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [nmrg] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 07:21:40 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For Benoit, In this text: "At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well underway, and was therefore mentioned in the charter." I think "the charter" means "the ANIMA charter", but if the conflict review response said that, it would have been clearer to me. From nobody Thu Mar 12 00:21:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 02E5F1A8A99; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:21:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1ACA1A8A9D; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:21:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8eANAgcUPJAT; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998531A8A99; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:21:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150312072139.3543.82942.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:21:39 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: nmrg@irtf.org, draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [nmrg] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 07:21:41 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For Benoit, In this text: "At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well underway, and was therefore mentioned in the charter." I think "the charter" means "the ANIMA charter", but if the conflict review response said that, it would have been clearer to me. From nobody Thu Mar 12 00:25:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1199F1A8A9E; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:25:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Olp_niixr1P1; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE7E1A8A87; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:25:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150312072502.28295.73617.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:25:02 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: nmrg@irtf.org, draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [nmrg] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 07:25:04 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For Benoit, In this text: "At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well underway, and was therefore mentioned in the charter." I think "the charter" means "the ANIMA charter", but if the conflict review response said that, it would have been clearer to me. From nobody Thu Mar 12 00:25:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2ECB11A8AA3; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:25:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1199F1A8A9E; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:25:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Olp_niixr1P1; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE7E1A8A87; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:25:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150312072502.28295.73617.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 00:25:02 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: nmrg@irtf.org, draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [nmrg] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 07:25:04 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For Benoit, In this text: "At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well underway, and was therefore mentioned in the charter." I think "the charter" means "the ANIMA charter", but if the conflict review response said that, it would have been clearer to me. From nobody Thu Mar 12 02:10:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D9F1A9051 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:10:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bqoh5Frzf3kQ for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F22701A9050 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:10:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1045; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1426151418; x=1427361018; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tO0zMUtDjj8/RdrI9xWCLVyJEpm+7LH/TyGqCl85OOU=; b=fCwKrSbJMUdP3Qg3TB/j7TTm9BHGXel/8YpxyCXv86iS83UxiUijZeS1 C5zl0XSgA2O0Vvyy4p9MAc0xItRQ9PkDwgvf9B6GjrD6n3tLTUL1MHoFa zBzXqpTv7Vky2rZHJnmGw2d3iQWecZJ+9Xi6XMWJkmKznu5+D7qKoCywL U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BtBwCpVgFV/xbLJq1bg1iDZbZcg1+GAYVuAoF/AQEBAQEBfYQQAQEEIxVAARALGgIFFgQHAgIJAwIBAgFFBgEMAQcBAYgrDa9BmwYBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARiBIYl2hA8RAVAHgmiBRQEEhgKOCoV5gRo5gm+CM40II4ICHBSBPT2BPIE4AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,387,1422921600"; d="scan'208";a="393531645" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2015 09:10:16 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.85] (ams-bclaise-8914.cisco.com [10.60.67.85]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t2C9AFU7007638; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 09:10:16 GMT Message-ID: <550157F7.2080408@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:10:15 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins , The IESG References: <20150312072502.28295.73617.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150312072502.28295.73617.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: nmrg@irtf.org, draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 09:10:23 -0000 Good suggestion Spencer. Done. Regards, B. > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for > conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For Benoit, > > In this text: > > "At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well > underway, > and was therefore mentioned in the charter." > > I think "the charter" means "the ANIMA charter", but if the conflict > review response said that, it would have been clearer to me. > > > . > From nobody Thu Mar 12 02:10:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 334831A9054; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:10:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22691A9053; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:10:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ef770dSXfow2; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 029701A9054; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:10:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1045; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1426151418; x=1427361018; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tO0zMUtDjj8/RdrI9xWCLVyJEpm+7LH/TyGqCl85OOU=; b=fCwKrSbJMUdP3Qg3TB/j7TTm9BHGXel/8YpxyCXv86iS83UxiUijZeS1 C5zl0XSgA2O0Vvyy4p9MAc0xItRQ9PkDwgvf9B6GjrD6n3tLTUL1MHoFa zBzXqpTv7Vky2rZHJnmGw2d3iQWecZJ+9Xi6XMWJkmKznu5+D7qKoCywL U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BtBwCpVgFV/xbLJq1bg1iDZbZcg1+GAYVuAoF/AQEBAQEBfYQQAQEEIxVAARALGgIFFgQHAgIJAwIBAgFFBgEMAQcBAYgrDa9BmwYBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARiBIYl2hA8RAVAHgmiBRQEEhgKOCoV5gRo5gm+CM40II4ICHBSBPT2BPIE4AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,387,1422921600"; d="scan'208";a="393531645" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2015 09:10:16 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.85] (ams-bclaise-8914.cisco.com [10.60.67.85]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t2C9AFU7007638; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 09:10:16 GMT Message-ID: <550157F7.2080408@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:10:15 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins , The IESG References: <20150312072502.28295.73617.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150312072502.28295.73617.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: nmrg@irtf.org, draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 09:10:23 -0000 Good suggestion Spencer. Done. Regards, B. > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for > conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-02: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For Benoit, > > In this text: > > "At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well > underway, > and was therefore mentioned in the charter." > > I think "the charter" means "the ANIMA charter", but if the conflict > review response said that, it would have been clearer to me. > > > . > From nobody Thu Mar 12 04:53:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903C21A92A9; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:53:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d1ZoM0hYkSFT; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345801A924C; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:53:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Benoit Claise" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150312115312.21431.51421.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:53:12 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietf.org, nmrg@irtf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [nmrg] Benoit Claise's Yes on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 11:53:13 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-00: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- During my review of this document I noticed the following issues that the authors and ISE may want to address. - Since the draft mentions: The terminology defined in [I-D.irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions] is used in this document. I was expecting [I-D.irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions] to be a normative reference. - Like I mentioned in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ballot/#benoit-claise, be consistent with the terminology capitalization. I see for example "Autonomic Networking", but some other term are not capitalized (autonomic functions, autonomic service agents) - For example, currently, a light load is often assumed in network design because there is no mechanism to properly handle a sudden traffic flood. It is therefore common to avoid network crashes caused by traffic overload by configuring idle resources, with an overprovisioning ratio of at least 2 being normal [Xiao02]. Network crashes due to traffic overload? This looks like a bug to me :-) Network congestion, maybe? From nobody Thu Mar 12 04:53:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C0CB71A924C; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:53:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903C21A92A9; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:53:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d1ZoM0hYkSFT; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345801A924C; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:53:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Benoit Claise" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150312115312.21431.51421.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 04:53:12 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietf.org, nmrg@irtf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [nmrg] Benoit Claise's Yes on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 11:53:13 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-00: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- During my review of this document I noticed the following issues that the authors and ISE may want to address. - Since the draft mentions: The terminology defined in [I-D.irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions] is used in this document. I was expecting [I-D.irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions] to be a normative reference. - Like I mentioned in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ballot/#benoit-claise, be consistent with the terminology capitalization. I see for example "Autonomic Networking", but some other term are not capitalized (autonomic functions, autonomic service agents) - For example, currently, a light load is often assumed in network design because there is no mechanism to properly handle a sudden traffic flood. It is therefore common to avoid network crashes caused by traffic overload by configuring idle resources, with an overprovisioning ratio of at least 2 being normal [Xiao02]. Network crashes due to traffic overload? This looks like a bug to me :-) Network congestion, maybe? From nobody Thu Mar 12 20:34:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D071AC3D8 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RNxAVUBUXBLO for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x230.google.com (mail-pa0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D54B1AC3BE for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by padbj1 with SMTP id bj1so25843028pad.12 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:34:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=I825h9nWy8UcPN3xl58Qj6Q0uk0QmYg7fRPvLHVK0f0=; b=BPVZZ6CT24L7eNWqqBQ7DTAsRfzy6GfX6SqU19MMhxmzO19wdJLHPMFtQxm2kbkRXy 0FWMfll6r+Xagms4fhAQdNsNZPv0bHr4hKj1Q8k9ffKa1LMtPXS02TIwEzhE5h/UgshB ib3A5nKdD7sLy9R7bMwubfLWbi4GtUMoEHUduXi5tfzOhs98yZd3vS//JjYpuRGobx/p vu9008yrI4+eVrTLyThzQAJ0+VoTB4H16QRbLiSZNwgj6VWJm8Jlj32fAenMvPcY4YJz 0mjIo8xgaT2KspL+EvwVjNzWcu5KtxNZEm+tWGjvMkFAYrVTAdmVNLy3Slrah2fqMShu iM/A== X-Received: by 10.66.144.201 with SMTP id so9mr97718696pab.78.1426217656792; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e007:6ea1:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? ([2406:e007:6ea1:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rf12sm826420pdb.0.2015.03.12.20.34.12 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55025ABF.20006@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 16:34:23 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise , The IESG References: <20150312115312.21431.51421.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150312115312.21431.51421.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietf.org, nmrg@irtf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] Benoit Claise's Yes on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 03:34:18 -0000 Hi Benoit, Thanks for the review. On 13/03/2015 00:53, Benoit Claise wrote: ... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > During my review of this document I noticed the following issues that the > authors and ISE may want to address. > > - Since the draft mentions: > > The terminology defined in > [I-D.irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions] is used in this > document. > > I was expecting [I-D.irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions] to be a > normative reference. In an IRTF Informational RFC? Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't really see why we'd split the references. > > - Like I mentioned in > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ballot/#benoit-claise, > be consistent with the terminology capitalization. > I see for example "Autonomic Networking", but some other term are not > capitalized (autonomic functions, autonomic service agents) I'd be happy for the RFC Editor to make this consistent. > For > example, currently, a light load is often assumed in network design > because there is no mechanism to properly handle a sudden traffic > flood. It is therefore common to avoid network crashes caused by > traffic overload by configuring idle resources, with an > overprovisioning ratio of at least 2 being normal [Xiao02]. > > Network crashes due to traffic overload? This looks like a bug to me :-) > Network congestion, maybe? Yes, 'performance collapses' maybe (a bit short of genuine congestive collapse). We can fix this at AUTH48. Regards Brian From nobody Thu Mar 12 20:34:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 501731AC428; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:34:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C3F1AC426; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:34:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0OQ0oDvCbMNm; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x234.google.com (mail-pd0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F5F61A89F6; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pdbfl12 with SMTP id fl12so25355160pdb.5; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:34:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=I825h9nWy8UcPN3xl58Qj6Q0uk0QmYg7fRPvLHVK0f0=; b=BPVZZ6CT24L7eNWqqBQ7DTAsRfzy6GfX6SqU19MMhxmzO19wdJLHPMFtQxm2kbkRXy 0FWMfll6r+Xagms4fhAQdNsNZPv0bHr4hKj1Q8k9ffKa1LMtPXS02TIwEzhE5h/UgshB ib3A5nKdD7sLy9R7bMwubfLWbi4GtUMoEHUduXi5tfzOhs98yZd3vS//JjYpuRGobx/p vu9008yrI4+eVrTLyThzQAJ0+VoTB4H16QRbLiSZNwgj6VWJm8Jlj32fAenMvPcY4YJz 0mjIo8xgaT2KspL+EvwVjNzWcu5KtxNZEm+tWGjvMkFAYrVTAdmVNLy3Slrah2fqMShu iM/A== X-Received: by 10.66.144.201 with SMTP id so9mr97718696pab.78.1426217656792; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e007:6ea1:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? ([2406:e007:6ea1:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rf12sm826420pdb.0.2015.03.12.20.34.12 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55025ABF.20006@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 16:34:23 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise , The IESG References: <20150312115312.21431.51421.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150312115312.21431.51421.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietf.org, nmrg@irtf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] Benoit Claise's Yes on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 03:34:24 -0000 Hi Benoit, Thanks for the review. On 13/03/2015 00:53, Benoit Claise wrote: ... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > During my review of this document I noticed the following issues that the > authors and ISE may want to address. > > - Since the draft mentions: > > The terminology defined in > [I-D.irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions] is used in this > document. > > I was expecting [I-D.irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions] to be a > normative reference. In an IRTF Informational RFC? Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't really see why we'd split the references. > > - Like I mentioned in > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ballot/#benoit-claise, > be consistent with the terminology capitalization. > I see for example "Autonomic Networking", but some other term are not > capitalized (autonomic functions, autonomic service agents) I'd be happy for the RFC Editor to make this consistent. > For > example, currently, a light load is often assumed in network design > because there is no mechanism to properly handle a sudden traffic > flood. It is therefore common to avoid network crashes caused by > traffic overload by configuring idle resources, with an > overprovisioning ratio of at least 2 being normal [Xiao02]. > > Network crashes due to traffic overload? This looks like a bug to me :-) > Network congestion, maybe? Yes, 'performance collapses' maybe (a bit short of genuine congestive collapse). We can fix this at AUTH48. Regards Brian From nobody Fri Mar 13 01:51:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93861A1B3D for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 01:51:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xlecWBcsYhYr for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 01:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B11D1A1B2D for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 01:51:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=851; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1426236662; x=1427446262; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bYYLnM1vPzRWfvMRhbeq896W/TS3zptIX51yT525LfA=; b=Anok4pGkq6VK8ibmO8RFGtgM2GaDHTOnLkfri60Mz30YzzAxFT1mncjw ltSa8RS5zNC+NUwAsHOieRFlVAFntJYtYHGAh+NOS2rZFuzekTkAdpzCt TJJ5Z13p25/HFQxUnIYs1OMn3meOn5fOgHlctE3l1aiobUXVKDaFcdEQf k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0DEBABSpAJV/xbLJq1ahzy6NoQxhGmCTgKBZRQBAQEBAQEBfIQQAQEEIxVAARALGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFBgEMAQcBAYgrsmWZegEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGIEhiXGEbgeCaIFDAQSFbpNNhmqMayOCMoE9PYJ0AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,393,1422921600"; d="scan'208";a="378148951" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2015 08:51:00 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.85] (ams-bclaise-8914.cisco.com [10.60.67.85]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t2D8ouiS031401; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 08:50:56 GMT Message-ID: <5502A4ED.3050509@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 09:50:53 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian E Carpenter , The IESG References: <20150312115312.21431.51421.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <55025ABF.20006@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55025ABF.20006@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietf.org, nmrg@irtf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] Benoit Claise's Yes on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 08:51:04 -0000 Hi Brian, > Hi Benoit, > > Thanks for the review. > > On 13/03/2015 00:53, Benoit Claise wrote: > > ... >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> During my review of this document I noticed the following issues that the >> authors and ISE may want to address. >> >> - Since the draft mentions: >> >> The terminology defined in >> [I-D.irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions] is used in this >> document. >> >> I was expecting [I-D.irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions] to be a >> normative reference. > In an IRTF Informational RFC? Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't really > see why we'd split the references. You are surely right, and I learned something today. Regards, Benoit From nobody Fri Mar 13 01:51:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0CDB41A1B13; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 01:51:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA381A1B40; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 01:51:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MNeZbKmhjkOh; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 01:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CC581A1B13; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 01:51:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=851; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1426236662; x=1427446262; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bYYLnM1vPzRWfvMRhbeq896W/TS3zptIX51yT525LfA=; b=Anok4pGkq6VK8ibmO8RFGtgM2GaDHTOnLkfri60Mz30YzzAxFT1mncjw ltSa8RS5zNC+NUwAsHOieRFlVAFntJYtYHGAh+NOS2rZFuzekTkAdpzCt TJJ5Z13p25/HFQxUnIYs1OMn3meOn5fOgHlctE3l1aiobUXVKDaFcdEQf k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0DEBABSpAJV/xbLJq1ahzy6NoQxhGmCTgKBZRQBAQEBAQEBfIQQAQEEIxVAARALGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFBgEMAQcBAYgrsmWZegEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGIEhiXGEbgeCaIFDAQSFbpNNhmqMayOCMoE9PYJ0AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,393,1422921600"; d="scan'208";a="378148951" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2015 08:51:00 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.85] (ams-bclaise-8914.cisco.com [10.60.67.85]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t2D8ouiS031401; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 08:50:56 GMT Message-ID: <5502A4ED.3050509@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 09:50:53 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian E Carpenter , The IESG References: <20150312115312.21431.51421.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <55025ABF.20006@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55025ABF.20006@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietf.org, nmrg@irtf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] Benoit Claise's Yes on conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 08:51:04 -0000 Hi Brian, > Hi Benoit, > > Thanks for the review. > > On 13/03/2015 00:53, Benoit Claise wrote: > > ... >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> During my review of this document I noticed the following issues that the >> authors and ISE may want to address. >> >> - Since the draft mentions: >> >> The terminology defined in >> [I-D.irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions] is used in this >> document. >> >> I was expecting [I-D.irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions] to be a >> normative reference. > In an IRTF Informational RFC? Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't really > see why we'd split the references. You are surely right, and I learned something today. Regards, Benoit From nobody Mon Mar 16 14:54:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 061A31A9232; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:40:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75531A924A; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:40:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RrXcTiILTCCq; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DD61A9232; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: , , , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150316214028.22340.27521.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:40:28 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:54:55 -0700 Cc: iana@iana.org, The IESG , ietf-announce@ietf.org Subject: [nmrg] Results of IETF-conflict review for draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:40:30 -0000 The IESG has completed a review of draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06 consistent with RFC5742. The IESG has no problem with the publication of 'Autonomic Networking - Definitions and Design Goals' as an Informational RFC. The IESG has concluded that this work is related to IETF work done in the ANIMA working group, but this relationship does not prevent publishing. At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well underway, and was therefore mentioned in the ANIMA charter. The ANIMA working group will build on the definitions in this document. The IESG would also like the IRTF to review the comments in the datatracker related to this document and determine whether or not they merit incorporation into the document. Comments may exist in both the ballot and the history log. The IESG review is documented at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ A URL of the reviewed Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ The process for such documents is described in RFC 5743 Thank you, The IESG Secretary From nobody Mon Mar 16 14:55:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 1B4271A92AA; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:36:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E471A9252; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:36:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2wp6_evbfkRI; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FEE1A923E; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: , , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150316213621.18250.84367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:36:21 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:55:09 -0700 Cc: iana@iana.org, The IESG , ietf-announce@ietf.org Subject: [nmrg] Results of IETF-conflict review for draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:36:23 -0000 The IESG has completed a review of draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04 consistent with RFC5742. The IESG has no problem with the publication of 'General Gap Analysis for Autonomic Networking' as an Informational RFC. The IESG has concluded that this work is related to IETF work done in the ANIMA working group, but this relationship does not prevent publishing. At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well underway, and was therefore mentioned in the ANIMA charter. The ANIMA working group will build on the gap analysis in this document. The IESG would also like the IRTF to review the comments in the datatracker related to this document and determine whether or not they merit incorporation into the document. Comments may exist in both the ballot and the history log. The IESG review is documented at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ A URL of the reviewed Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ The process for such documents is described in RFC 5743 Thank you, The IESG Secretary From nobody Tue Mar 17 10:32:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 783B41A1BEC; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:43:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B431ACD85; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:43:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17_NtRLA_yAR; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x22f.google.com (mail-pd0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D57FD1A1BEC; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pdbni2 with SMTP id ni2so73241625pdb.1; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:43:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=uuUWWZGQeCPhH2XuC29V/f+qx/RxfvbbvZLWEPmQdNw=; b=izRf3/if/XQiLn3k06yATV/88ZD8gy5EOpz5WiO3HCMgRa8wIIIhS9B+e7mQ8bMfRn 7dxJcKO9bb4NKWVFAjbnMR7UVLVvBxZbKc0nVKyNszRWFikk9oFN4aTWMUunbodEaS9M +M07OYSdspw9vZePKFhVK11VohP7nDqXY2K+iG/nxwIE9UI+/Rq/AuaNk1HbexoU3aVR tX9NWvgPOxmFKzuwx2dJmA+5vQVQ9x9FPVdrxAkTIR8JUTt6I8L1cT3uQ9tXEciGyIip DajUgx3vQi5dcYbzW367ITPCe4rMpczQsCbhbGO07ypTRQKj9lXZhVn37Xi+XPoZPvjR Y5uw== X-Received: by 10.70.90.161 with SMTP id bx1mr70479123pdb.146.1426553006531; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:df0:0:2006:c0da:ac17:5f6d:8e76? ([2001:df0:0:2006:c0da:ac17:5f6d:8e76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pu9sm19197626pdb.49.2015.03.16.17.43.23 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <550778AC.4090701@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:43:24 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nmrg-chairs@ietf.org, draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietf.org, granville@inf.ufrgs.br References: <20150316213621.18250.84367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150316213621.18250.84367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:32:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [nmrg] Results of IETF-conflict review for draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 00:43:28 -0000 Hi, This is good news. The only suggestions I saw from the IESG are editorial and can be handled at AUTH48, unless anybody thinks a new draft is needed. Regards Brian Carpenter On 17/03/2015 10:36, The IESG wrote: > The IESG has completed a review of draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04 > consistent with RFC5742. > > > The IESG has no problem with the publication of 'General Gap Analysis for > Autonomic Networking' as an > Informational RFC. > > > The IESG has concluded that this work is related to IETF work done in the > ANIMA working group, but this relationship does not prevent publishing. > > At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well > underway, > and was therefore mentioned in the ANIMA charter. The ANIMA working group > will > build on the gap analysis in this document. > > The IESG would also like the IRTF to review the comments in the > datatracker related to this document and determine whether or not they > merit incorporation into the document. Comments may exist in both the > ballot and the history log. > > The IESG review is documented at: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ > > A URL of the reviewed Internet Draft is: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ > > The process for such documents is described in RFC 5743 > > Thank you, > > The IESG Secretary > > > > From nobody Tue Mar 17 10:32:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4D8481A0030; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:30:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFC01A014C; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:30:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j8jVhPSQvJe8; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx142.netapp.com (mx142.netapp.com [216.240.21.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38BC91A0030; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:30:47 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,415,1422950400"; d="scan'208";a="29357334" Received: from hioexcmbx03-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.122.105.36]) by mx142-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 17 Mar 2015 01:25:46 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) by hioexcmbx03-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.995.29; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:25:46 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([::1]) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([fe80::f07f:691d:89d:53b7%21]) with mapi id 15.00.0995.031; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:25:46 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Brian E Carpenter Thread-Topic: Results of IETF-conflict review for draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04 Thread-Index: AQHQYDFAlb7pWo9fVka6BBcPnTwYPJ0gS7UAgACBLoA= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 08:25:45 +0000 Message-ID: <45060A0F-C8D7-4750-9717-0A1917289B1F@netapp.com> References: <20150316213621.18250.84367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <550778AC.4090701@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <550778AC.4090701@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.2087) x-originating-ip: [10.122.56.79] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9DE4496A6FD044439E1BFCDD603CFBDC@hq.netapp.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:32:31 -0700 Cc: "draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietf.org" , "nmrg-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [nmrg] Results of IETF-conflict review for draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 08:30:49 -0000 Hi, On 2015-3-17, at 01:43, Brian E Carpenter wro= te: > This is good news. The only suggestions I saw from the IESG are > editorial and can be handled at AUTH48, unless anybody thinks a > new draft is needed. it's usually faster to re-spin a revision rather than explaining to the RFC= Editor what to change how in AUTH48, but your call. Let me know if I shoul= d take -04 forward. Lars >=20 > Regards > Brian Carpenter >=20 > On 17/03/2015 10:36, The IESG wrote: >> The IESG has completed a review of draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04 >> consistent with RFC5742. >>=20 >>=20 >> The IESG has no problem with the publication of 'General Gap Analysis fo= r >> Autonomic Networking' as an >> Informational RFC. >>=20 >>=20 >> The IESG has concluded that this work is related to IETF work done in th= e >> ANIMA working group, but this relationship does not prevent publishing. >>=20 >> At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well >> underway, >> and was therefore mentioned in the ANIMA charter. The ANIMA working grou= p >> will >> build on the gap analysis in this document. >>=20 >> The IESG would also like the IRTF to review the comments in the >> datatracker related to this document and determine whether or not they >> merit incorporation into the document. Comments may exist in both the >> ballot and the history log. >>=20 >> The IESG review is documented at: >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysi= s/ >>=20 >> A URL of the reviewed Internet Draft is: >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ >>=20 >> The process for such documents is described in RFC 5743 =20 >>=20 >> Thank you, >>=20 >> The IESG Secretary >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 From nobody Tue Mar 17 10:32:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id BA6C01A014C; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:33:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9896F1A014E; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:33:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xXYYEAChaevG; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx143.netapp.com (mx143.netapp.com [216.240.21.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 181281A014C; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:33:03 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,415,1422950400"; d="scan'208";a="29921938" Received: from hioexcmbx02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.122.105.35]) by mx143-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 17 Mar 2015 01:27:04 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) by hioexcmbx02-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.995.29; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:27:03 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([::1]) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([fe80::f07f:691d:89d:53b7%21]) with mapi id 15.00.0995.031; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:27:03 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "nmrg-chairs@ietf.org" , "Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville" , "draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Results of IETF-conflict review for draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06 Thread-Index: AQHQYDHUHtonEJPKpEKdSpanEsPI1Z0gzT4A Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 08:27:02 +0000 Message-ID: <19FBF613-9EE6-4685-9C98-EC4EB1856117@netapp.com> References: <20150316214028.22340.27521.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150316214028.22340.27521.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.2087) x-originating-ip: [10.122.56.79] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:32:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [nmrg] Results of IETF-conflict review for draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 08:33:07 -0000 Should I take -06 forward, or is a rev coming? On 2015-3-16, at 22:40, The IESG wrote: >=20 > The IESG has completed a review of > draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06 consistent with RFC5742. >=20 >=20 > The IESG has no problem with the publication of 'Autonomic Networking - > Definitions and Design Goals' > as an > Informational RFC. >=20 >=20 > The IESG has concluded that this work is related to IETF work done in the > ANIMA working group, but this relationship does not prevent publishing. >=20 > At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well > underway, and was therefore mentioned in the ANIMA charter. The ANIMA > working group will build on the definitions in this document. >=20 > The IESG would also like the IRTF to review the comments in the > datatracker related to this document and determine whether or not they > merit incorporation into the document. Comments may exist in both the > ballot and the history log. >=20 > The IESG review is documented at: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-netwo= rk-definitions/ >=20 > A URL of the reviewed Internet Draft is: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definit= ions/ >=20 > The process for such documents is described in RFC 5743 =20 >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > The IESG Secretary >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Tue Mar 17 10:32:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9E0271A0266; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 04:19:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AFA1A0358; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 04:19:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wl0wES2KfJlR; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 04:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D93A1A0266; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 04:19:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1962; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1426591142; x=1427800742; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=aHLF5S+Vl4O2rEEYcRRy71UFBrmJRpmOr8ZVVCa01/U=; b=nBdpBNQ0NiTg31oeOpYiMBThgFr5uilDGEDQduYkk/FSXDe2rvm2ZAKk 4ndI/kzRGcFd9hq+mAjYKKn41+Dk88Ul6uUaBmTF9wqvcuCjumFRiGWiS StT9CPMKpkdlsjUGDMjTltucncFwjExsL7WYM1m3lkpO5FuotlKTumA9c A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0DFBwBIDAhV/4ENJK1bgwZSWgTDOII4hXUCgTZMAQEBAQEBfYQPAQEBBDo4EwQCAQgRBAEBAQoUCQcyFAkIAgQBEgiIJw3JMQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARqLF4RAOAaDEYEWBZA+g2yHUpJFI4IygTxvgUR/AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,416,1422921600"; d="scan'208";a="132738531" Received: from alln-core-9.cisco.com ([173.36.13.129]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Mar 2015 11:19:01 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com [173.37.183.84]) by alln-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t2HBJ1iI018323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:19:01 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com ([169.254.4.61]) by xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([173.37.183.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 06:19:01 -0500 From: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" To: "Eggert, Lars" , "nmrg-chairs@ietf.org" , Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville , "draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Results of IETF-conflict review for draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06 Thread-Index: AQHQYDHXs9mzB8F/H0+z3pjHcq4jwZ0gq7cA///cEbA= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:19:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3AA7118E69D7CD4BA3ECD5716BAF28DF22F10D51@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> References: <20150316214028.22340.27521.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <19FBF613-9EE6-4685-9C98-EC4EB1856117@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <19FBF613-9EE6-4685-9C98-EC4EB1856117@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.78.42] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:32:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [nmrg] Results of IETF-conflict review for draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:19:04 -0000 We got a few suggestions from Benoit. Let us address those in -07.=20 Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Eggert, Lars [mailto:lars@netapp.com] > Sent: 17 March 2015 09:27 > To: nmrg-chairs@ietf.org; Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville; draft-irtf-nmr= g- > autonomic-network-definitions.all@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Results of IETF-conflict review for draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomi= c- > network-definitions-06 >=20 > Should I take -06 forward, or is a rev coming? >=20 > On 2015-3-16, at 22:40, The IESG wrote: > > > > The IESG has completed a review of > > draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06 consistent with > RFC5742. > > > > > > The IESG has no problem with the publication of 'Autonomic Networking > > - Definitions and Design Goals' > > as an > > Informational RFC. > > > > > > The IESG has concluded that this work is related to IETF work done in > > the ANIMA working group, but this relationship does not prevent > publishing. > > > > At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well > > underway, and was therefore mentioned in the ANIMA charter. The > ANIMA > > working group will build on the definitions in this document. > > > > The IESG would also like the IRTF to review the comments in the > > datatracker related to this document and determine whether or not they > > merit incorporation into the document. Comments may exist in both the > > ballot and the history log. > > > > The IESG review is documented at: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-ne > > twork-definitions/ > > > > A URL of the reviewed Internet Draft is: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-defi > > nitions/ > > > > The process for such documents is described in RFC 5743 > > > > Thank you, > > > > The IESG Secretary > > > > > > From nobody Tue Mar 17 11:50:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5B81C1A888A; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:48:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DD41A888A; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:48:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xXq9HXrpXEYU; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x22a.google.com (mail-pd0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 180621A1BC0; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pdbop1 with SMTP id op1so17315208pdb.2; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fV5TzisMrztKdhMzQm4sUsXfNpZzn/q6EiehKCgPDvk=; b=vtk1A0eoyJo3O5VeCC9+eJHo8BxYjRr6eSgZ00n1a/BnL87roiUpwMfvjyk2q/hqKY rs10LUdJZzNyiKjVnVUQMskLYWFse4pSzYiKmTGytPobS3lqg+EcOVLOuBEr9lPRF1G3 527VZYcoST5HStb6tHebhSUYTvu5IHk39Bucl/UhhLGaD9BGULuie31pDCyPQZBU8CGs snfMQ138DUPp7f4vrPs21DF3ws/5Qdl351v0nVMZuRxjgqX5zo/cMzhJ8XMDYFq8+gkt 8AlgfkeWon62bIzUXyn0/PzJGx/J1z+z1U1Kudqyb+rwaSdA6w4yMfpwstn16B49Kwsy 3BNA== X-Received: by 10.70.88.41 with SMTP id bd9mr124036984pdb.41.1426618122763; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e007:690c:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? ([2406:e007:690c:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id or3sm23626065pdb.15.2015.03.17.11.48.39 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5508770A.8030907@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 07:48:42 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eggert, Lars" References: <20150316213621.18250.84367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <550778AC.4090701@gmail.com> <45060A0F-C8D7-4750-9717-0A1917289B1F@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <45060A0F-C8D7-4750-9717-0A1917289B1F@netapp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:50:28 -0700 Cc: "draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis.all@ietf.org" , "nmrg-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [nmrg] Results of IETF-conflict review for draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 18:48:47 -0000 Oh, OK, I will do that when the submission tool reopens. Brian On 17/03/2015 21:25, Eggert, Lars wrote: > Hi, > > On 2015-3-17, at 01:43, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> This is good news. The only suggestions I saw from the IESG are >> editorial and can be handled at AUTH48, unless anybody thinks a >> new draft is needed. > > it's usually faster to re-spin a revision rather than explaining to the RFC Editor what to change how in AUTH48, but your call. Let me know if I should take -04 forward. > > Lars > >> >> Regards >> Brian Carpenter >> >> On 17/03/2015 10:36, The IESG wrote: >>> The IESG has completed a review of draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-04 >>> consistent with RFC5742. >>> >>> >>> The IESG has no problem with the publication of 'General Gap Analysis for >>> Autonomic Networking' as an >>> Informational RFC. >>> >>> >>> The IESG has concluded that this work is related to IETF work done in the >>> ANIMA working group, but this relationship does not prevent publishing. >>> >>> At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well >>> underway, >>> and was therefore mentioned in the ANIMA charter. The ANIMA working group >>> will >>> build on the gap analysis in this document. >>> >>> The IESG would also like the IRTF to review the comments in the >>> datatracker related to this document and determine whether or not they >>> merit incorporation into the document. Comments may exist in both the >>> ballot and the history log. >>> >>> The IESG review is documented at: >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ >>> >>> A URL of the reviewed Internet Draft is: >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ >>> >>> The process for such documents is described in RFC 5743 >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> The IESG Secretary >>> >>> >>> >>> > > From nobody Mon Mar 23 04:58:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7136F1A87D4; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 04:58:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MLz81IZ9T56p; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 04:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED671A006D; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 04:58:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150323115841.26873.73426.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 04:58:41 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: nmrg@irtf.org Subject: [nmrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-05.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:58:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : General Gap Analysis for Autonomic Networking Authors : Sheng Jiang Brian Carpenter Michael H. Behringer Filename : draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-05.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2015-03-23 Abstract: This document provides a problem statement and general gap analysis for an IP-based Autonomic Network that is mainly based on distributed network devices. The document provides a background by reviewing the current status of autonomic aspects of IP networks and the extent to which current network management depends on centralisation and human administrators. Finally the document outlines the general features missing from current network abilities that are needed in the ideal Autonomic Network concept. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 23 04:58:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EC91A006D; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 04:58:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id icnyIpAQy2gu; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 04:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466C81A8764; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 04:58:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: , , , "IRSG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150323115841.26873.18449.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 04:58:41 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] New Version Notification - draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-05.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:58:43 -0000 A new version (-05) has been submitted for draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-05.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ Diff from previous version: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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From nobody Mon Mar 23 09:07:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA52D1AC3E9; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:06:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fPSx8zP93zW4; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729551AC3EF; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:06:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150323160616.27453.26888.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:06:16 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:07:55 -0700 Subject: [nmrg] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:06:24 -0000 IANA action state changed to No IC ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis/ From nobody Mon Mar 23 10:58:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076161ACEE5; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:47:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.19 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.19 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gJnSb3cr2LV8; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.lax.icann.org (smtp01.icann.org [192.0.33.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1D111ACF16; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from request3.lax.icann.org (request1.lax.icann.org [10.32.11.221]) by smtp1.lax.icann.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2NHliq0003985; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:47:44 GMT Received: by request3.lax.icann.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id 83A47C205AE; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:47:44 +0000 (UTC) RT-Owner: pearl.liang From: "Pearl Liang via RT" In-Reply-To: <20150310074526.7431.75148.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20150310074526.7431.75148.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: X-RT-Loop-Prevention: IANA X-RT-Ticket: IANA #812166 X-Managed-BY: RT 4.2.9 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) X-RT-Originator: pearl.liang@icann.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:47:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:58:52 -0700 Cc: draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions@tools.ietf.org, nmrg@irtf.org, irsg@irtf.org, nmrg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [nmrg] [IANA #812166] Conflict Review requested for draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: drafts-eval@iana.org List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:47:46 -0000 (BEGIN IANA COMMENTS) IESG/Authors: IANA has reviewed draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions version 06 and has the following comments: We understand that, upon approval of this document, there are no IANA Actions that need completion. 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Thanks, Pearl Liang ICANN (END IANA COMMENTS) On Tue Mar 10 07:45:50 2015, noreply@ietf.org wrote: > Lars Eggert has requested a conflict review for: > draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions > Autonomic Networking - Definitions and Design Goals > > The conflict review is being tracked at > network-definitions/> From nobody Mon Mar 23 16:10:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A8A1A014C; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:10:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ucS_nROCm2_C; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A421A0218; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:10:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150323231000.19414.2755.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:10:00 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: nmrg@irtf.org Subject: [nmrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-07.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 23:10:03 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : Autonomic Networking - Definitions and Design Goals Authors : Michael Behringer Max Pritikin Steinthor Bjarnason Alexander Clemm Brian Carpenter Sheng Jiang Laurent Ciavaglia Filename : draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-07.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2015-03-23 Abstract: Autonomic systems were first described in 2001. The fundamental goal is self-management, including self-configuration, self-optimization, self-healing and self-protection. This is achieved by an autonomic function having minimal dependencies on human administrators or centralized management systems. It usually implies distribution across network elements. This document defines common language, and outlines design goals and non-design goals for autonomic functions. A high level reference model illustrates how functional elements in an autonomic network interact. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 23 16:10:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DA31A0218; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:10:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z3TQJ9fJUTqG; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0567F1A1A52; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:10:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: , , , "IRSG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150323231001.19414.16218.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:10:01 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] New Version Notification - draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-07.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 23:10:04 -0000 A new version (-07) has been submitted for draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-07.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/ Diff from previous version: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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>=20 > On 2015-3-16, at 22:40, The IESG wrote: > > > > The IESG has completed a review of > > draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-06 consistent with > RFC5742. > > > > > > The IESG has no problem with the publication of 'Autonomic Networking > > - Definitions and Design Goals' > > as an > > Informational RFC. > > > > > > The IESG has concluded that this work is related to IETF work done in > > the ANIMA working group, but this relationship does not prevent > publishing. > > > > At the time of the ANIMA working group creation, this work was well > > underway, and was therefore mentioned in the ANIMA charter. The > ANIMA > > working group will build on the definitions in this document. > > > > The IESG would also like the IRTF to review the comments in the > > datatracker related to this document and determine whether or not they > > merit incorporation into the document. Comments may exist in both the > > ballot and the history log. > > > > The IESG review is documented at: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/conflict-review-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-ne > > twork-definitions/ > > > > A URL of the reviewed Internet Draft is: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-defi > > nitions/ > > > > The process for such documents is described in RFC 5743 > > > > Thank you, > > > > The IESG Secretary > > > > > > From nobody Tue Mar 24 08:37:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABC81A87C1; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:05:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oGNxyPCFJ5SM; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D961A87B1; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:05:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150324150531.20849.66599.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:05:31 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:37:28 -0700 Subject: [nmrg] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:05:33 -0000 IANA action state changed to No IC ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions/