From nobody Sun Nov 4 13:22:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874B1126CB6 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 13:22:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22yRvS3SWHNe for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 13:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf1-f48.google.com (mail-lf1-f48.google.com [209.85.167.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A68F1276D0 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 13:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf1-f48.google.com with SMTP id p17so4723130lfh.4 for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:22:49 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xKpvyxqP3GQqCEbBNlEZ1QFHR3Fk/Mg9pweWRUgsxpY=; b=f7oNPCBaUNPhCX0qHnDZXS40/suwk0ybcpamHmndn7MQi1Gg4uDQumX6y0modjSzxo yqDxWurWeM9KEGkS6sdaaVzA5nPU9+tcJbBojFzTtVmzwhoJhoK3A9wsTHuGAfEMSr/9 wnb1zt2aIFj5BpJ7DI+NaRbkyENmkPkJV7hTKpHVxA0dnmPhTqzO0POf+XepVPVVcQ6J DN9YPwgP3uHwDLHMzM3Y6Vb8IAlCy3Gzjar57aDUwhTFNbiXzbghX/5v5Gq6r7VsMAjk 8Q0mMAcNzs2zfbeXIg0mP2wM0UpQMl4NaQfkD2ib0U5tLEZ0ZaskeZg8S5wNXgR9Ra36 MIwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJm8hlNyD3XEenHQddoZXPBIYsL/jVhxM6fn1cB+CBfFfa/HLCO gvCflXn2vMY/I7hBQ9C6sdyZWg6Wv6XN6Dub+Pb2BsQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5dDUbril3PdPRDeJObrsBvR9unb6nPpmGZ4msAov/FwF1GxR9ibjRAmQWOvmpB8eZhjPpm1yP6b3X7aH9HL7V0= X-Received: by 2002:a19:d04f:: with SMTP id h76mr10738472lfg.52.1541366566509; Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:22:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=A9ferson_Campos_Nobre?= Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 04:22:31 +0700 Message-ID: To: nmrg@irtf.org, Laurent Ciavaglia Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG at IETF103 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2018 21:22:51 -0000 Dear NMRG. Just to add up in the discussion brought by Laurent, I have some ideas on the evolution of NMRG. By the way, I don't claim to have "solutions", just suggestions on this evolution. Here they are: - More young students/researchers As Laurent wrote, NMRG is turning 20 years old. Thus, it is necessary to bring "new blood" to the RG. I believe that a initiative that can make young students/researchers more involved in NMRG is to have hands-on activities such as hackathons. Thus, we could do that regarding NMRG related documents. - Collaboration and cooperation Several NMRG documents came from other WGs/RGs due to several reasons (for example, works outside charters, group goes defunct, etc). Maybe this is because the main idea of network management is really broad. In any case, we can actively promote cooperation and integration among different WGs/RGs to elaborate on that. Besides, we could increase joint activities among other Network Management technical committees and standardization bodies. - Identification of emerging technical areas In the same sense that Autonomics was identified and integrated to NMRG, we could facilitate an entry into emerging technical areas. This could be done, for example, through meetings centered in a restrict area as we have done (autonomics, measurement-based NM). In addition, this can be done in cooperation with different WGs/RGs. I know that some of the suggestions are already being done, but we can always move forward. Best. J=C3=A9ferson ----------------------------------------------------On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:03 AM Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) wrote: > > Hello, > > To clarify: the discussion on the RG evolution is a process that will tak= e some time e.g. until IETF 104/105. > > IETF 103 is just a starting point and I also would like to have the discu= ssion to occur on the list to capture things with text and allow anyone to = contribute (those attending and not the IETF meetings). > > Best regards, Laurent. > > From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:25:10 PM > To: nmrg@irtf..org > Subject: NMRG at IETF103 > > *** Apparently this message didn=E2=80=99t reach the intended mailing lis= t on Thursday, October 25th *** > > Dear NMRG, > > Some updates on the way forward for the RG, and our upcoming meeting at I= ETF103/Bangkok. > > -The co-chair selection is still going on and we plan to conclude soon. > > -NMRG is turning 20 years old in March 2019 (yes, really!). > Seems like a good opportunity to reflect on the field of network managem= ent and how to approach the challenges of a new era. > I=E2=80=99m thus starting a process to collect ideas, views and proposals= to augment and complement the NMRG research agenda. > This may also result in a more or less profound rewrite of the charter. > > -For IETF 103, NMRG will meet on Wednesday, November 7h 11:20-12:20. > As the session is short we will cover: > Progress on current research agenda items.Discussion on the =E2=80=9Cre-c= hartering=E2=80=9D. > I will publish a draft agenda soon after this email. > > Thank you and looking forward to your prospective ideas for the future of= our research group! > > Best regards, Laurent. > > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From nobody Sun Nov 4 20:51:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 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Content-Language: fr Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG at IETF103 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 11:19:00 -0000 Hi all, 1) Many presentations given by researchers in NMRG were following publications in peer-reviewd conferences. So as Alex highlighted, NMRG offers the possibility for these work ro reach the IETF public and so also to have a potential on industry standard that is more difficult to have in an academia conf. Important to take into account is the new habit for standards, open-source is today the fastest way to have impact. It is not specific to NMRG but supporting also the development of open-source tools related to NMRG should be considerd and aligned with the remark of Jef regarding Hackathon. 2) Having more "accessible" workshop in unversities is good as well. But consider that it will be hard to justify for a youg researcher or student to do a trip abroad for a one day meeting. It will be better to colocate our events. We did in the past and should continue with some conferences as IM or NOMS. We can also think targeting some summer schools to attract young researchers as earlier as possible. 3) Regarding topics, I agree with IBN. We also have a lot of discussions regarding machine learning/intelligent-defined/knowledge-defined networking. I think there is actualy a good match between this and IBN but also others such as self-driving networks. Cheers, jerome On 05/11/2018 06:56, Alexander Clemm wrote: > Hi all, > also > to add to Jef and Laurent, regarding bringing in "new blood" in terms of attracting young researchers: As a young researcher, I would ask myself the question why I should even engage in IRTF when there are plenty of research communities in IEEE, IFIP, ACM, which offer the additional benefit of building a record of peer-referenced publication (which NMRG does not - and as an additional hurdle, the typical cycle to bring something from individual draft to an RFC takes longer than many PhD students can afford). So, where does NMRG fit into that larger research landscape? > > For this reasons, I think it would be good to include something in the NMRG charter that points out what is unique about IRTF (and, by extension, NMRG) and why young researchers want to engage here. In my view, this is the link to IETF - i.e., the abililty to have your research affect possible future direction of standardization. That is, for research that involves interoperability between systems, and that will ultimately require standardization at a later stage if it is to have real-world impact, NMRG is a great place to go to. It would be good to have a statement like that in the charter. > > In terms of research agenda for NMRG, I do think the intent-theme is clearly one of the top items that should be on the agenda (and that can clearly impact future IETF agenda), although I think we should have a few more themes on there as well (as the scope of NMRG is larger). > > Cheers > --- Alex > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Jéferson Campos >> Nobre >> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 4:23 AM >> To: nmrg@irtf.org; Laurent Ciavaglia >> Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG at IETF103 >> >> Dear NMRG. >> Just to add up in the discussion brought by Laurent, I have some ideas on the >> evolution of NMRG. >> By the way, I don't claim to have "solutions", just suggestions on this evolution. >> Here they are: >> >> - More young students/researchers >> As Laurent wrote, NMRG is turning 20 years old. Thus, it is necessary to bring >> "new blood" to the RG. >> I believe that a initiative that can make young students/researchers more >> involved in NMRG is to have hands-on activities such as hackathons. >> Thus, we could do that regarding NMRG related documents. >> >> - Collaboration and cooperation >> Several NMRG documents came from other WGs/RGs due to several reasons >> (for example, works outside charters, group goes defunct, etc). >> Maybe this is because the main idea of network management is really broad. In >> any case, we can actively promote cooperation and integration among different >> WGs/RGs to elaborate on that. >> Besides, we could increase joint activities among other Network Management >> technical committees and standardization bodies. >> >> - Identification of emerging technical areas In the same sense that Autonomics >> was identified and integrated to NMRG, we could facilitate an entry into >> emerging technical areas. >> This could be done, for example, through meetings centered in a restrict area as >> we have done (autonomics, measurement-based NM). >> In addition, this can be done in cooperation with different WGs/RGs. >> >> I know that some of the suggestions are already being done, but we can always >> move forward. >> >> Best. >> Jéferson >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------On Mon, Oct 29, >> 2018 at 4:03 AM Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) >> wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> To clarify: the discussion on the RG evolution is a process that will take some >> time e.g. until IETF 104/105. >>> IETF 103 is just a starting point and I also would like to have the discussion to >> occur on the list to capture things with text and allow anyone to contribute >> (those attending and not the IETF meetings). >>> Best regards, Laurent. >>> >>> From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) >>> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:25:10 PM >>> To: nmrg@irtf..org >>> Subject: NMRG at IETF103 >>> >>> *** Apparently this message didn’t reach the intended mailing list on >>> Thursday, October 25th *** >>> >>> Dear NMRG, >>> >>> Some updates on the way forward for the RG, and our upcoming meeting at >> IETF103/Bangkok. >>> -The co-chair selection is still going on and we plan to conclude soon. >>> >>> -NMRG is turning 20 years old in March 2019 (yes, really!). >>> Seems like a good opportunity to reflect on the field of network management >> and how to approach the challenges of a new era. >>> I’m thus starting a process to collect ideas, views and proposals to augment >> and complement the NMRG research agenda. >>> This may also result in a more or less profound rewrite of the charter. >>> >>> -For IETF 103, NMRG will meet on Wednesday, November 7h 11:20-12:20. >>> As the session is short we will cover: >>> Progress on current research agenda items.Discussion on the “re-chartering”. >>> I will publish a draft agenda soon after this email. >>> >>> Thank you and looking forward to your prospective ideas for the future of our >> research group! >>> Best regards, Laurent. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nmrg mailing list >>> nmrg@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg >> _______________________________________________ >> nmrg mailing list >> nmrg@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From nobody Mon Nov 5 03:43:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB33B128CFD for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 03:42:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kVJgxalhb0_s for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 03:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de (atlas5.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2E6E12D4E8 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 03:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF56ADB4; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 12:42:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.217]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id yJnZPQP617SP; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 12:42:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 12:42:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FFD20043; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 12:42:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t74EDyvIBbHF; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 12:42:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from exchange.jacobs-university.de (SXCHMB01.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "exchange.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "DFN-Verein Global Issuing CA" (verified OK)) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 786B92003F; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 12:42:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from anna.localdomain (10.50.218.117) by sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.1.1591.10; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 12:42:52 +0100 Received: by anna.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 501) id 388D13003AB555; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 12:42:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 12:42:48 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: =?utf-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= CC: Message-ID: <20181105114248.5fpkmp7nrm7xf635@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: =?utf-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= , nmrg@irtf.org References: <644DA50AFA8C314EA9BDDAC83BD38A2E0EB88D0E@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-ClientProxiedBy: SXCHMB04.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.156) To sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG at IETF103 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 11:42:59 -0000 On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 12:18:54PM +0100, Jrme Franois wrote: > > 1) Many presentations given by researchers in NMRG were following > publications in peer-reviewd conferences. So as Alex highlighted, > NMRG offers the possibility for these work ro reach the IETF public > and so also to have a potential on industry standard that is more > difficult to have in an academia conf. Important to take into > account is the new habit for standards, open-source is today the > fastest way to have impact. It is not specific to NMRG but > supporting also the development of open-source tools related to NMRG > should be considerd and aligned with the remark of Jef regarding > Hackathon. Back in the 80s and 90s, Internet standard development was often closely tied to open source activities. So I am not sure this is "a new habit for standards". [Sorry, but I could not resist to make this comment.] /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Nov 5 04:46:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382401298C5 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 04:46:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.921 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ALGGqZ_b_CGP for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 04:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E50ED128DFD for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 04:46:53 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.54,467,1534802400"; d="scan'208,217";a="354170425" Received: from unknown (HELO [150.146.29.92]) ([150.146.29.92]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 05 Nov 2018 13:46:51 +0100 To: nmrg@irtf.org References: <644DA50AFA8C314EA9BDDAC83BD38A2E0EB88D0E@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> <20181105114248.5fpkmp7nrm7xf635@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> From: =?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= Message-ID: <3fda3f9e-fa3a-e2a8-54d4-34d30ab50fe7@inria.fr> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 13:46:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181105114248.5fpkmp7nrm7xf635@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2D4846453BE6EEA98FF89589" Content-Language: fr Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG at IETF103 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 12:46:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2D4846453BE6EEA98FF89589 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 05/11/2018 12:42, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 12:18:54PM +0100, Jérôme François wrote: >> 1) Many presentations given by researchers in NMRG were following >> publications in peer-reviewd conferences. So as Alex highlighted, >> NMRG offers the possibility for these work ro reach the IETF public >> and so also to have a potential on industry standard that is more >> difficult to have in an academia conf. Important to take into >> account is the new habit for standards, open-source is today the >> fastest way to have impact. It is not specific to NMRG but >> supporting also the development of open-source tools related to NMRG >> should be considerd and aligned with the remark of Jef regarding >> Hackathon. > Back in the 80s and 90s, Internet standard development was often > closely tied to open source activities. So I am not sure this is "a > new habit for standards". Yes, what I mean is that open-source can be considered as standardization per se without being closely tied to be some "regular" standardization process. jerome --------------2D4846453BE6EEA98FF89589 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On 05/11/2018 12:42, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 12:18:54PM +0100, Jérôme François wrote:

1) Many presentations given by researchers in NMRG were following
publications in peer-reviewd conferences. So as Alex highlighted,
NMRG offers the possibility for these work ro reach the IETF public
and so also to have a potential on industry standard that is more
difficult to have in an academia conf. Important to take into
account is the new habit for standards, open-source is today the
fastest way to have impact. It is not specific to NMRG but
supporting also the development of open-source tools related to NMRG
should be considerd and aligned with the remark of Jef regarding
Hackathon.

Back in the 80s and 90s, Internet standard development was often
closely tied to open source activities. So I am not sure this is "a
new habit for standards".
Yes, what I mean is that open-source can be considered as standardization per se without being closely tied to be some "regular" standardization process.

jerome
--------------2D4846453BE6EEA98FF89589-- From nobody Mon Nov 5 05:16:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBC812426A for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:16:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TGqvtOMbFf-t for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de (atlas5.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9815E12F1A2 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513DEE0C; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:16:54 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.217]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 8AfprxfcH2Hi; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:16:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:16:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123982003D; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:16:54 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UPLr7RfLZaKg; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:16:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from exchange.jacobs-university.de (SXCHMB02.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "exchange.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "DFN-Verein Global Issuing CA" (verified OK)) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC2A82003C; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:16:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from anna.localdomain (10.50.218.117) by sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.1.1591.10; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:16:53 +0100 Received: by anna.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 501) id 21E233003ABAC5; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:16:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:16:52 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: =?utf-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= CC: Message-ID: <20181105131652.w6frdeitjqner6r7@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: =?utf-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= , nmrg@irtf.org References: <644DA50AFA8C314EA9BDDAC83BD38A2E0EB88D0E@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> <20181105114248.5fpkmp7nrm7xf635@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <3fda3f9e-fa3a-e2a8-54d4-34d30ab50fe7@inria.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <3fda3f9e-fa3a-e2a8-54d4-34d30ab50fe7@inria.fr> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-ClientProxiedBy: SXCHMB04.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.156) To sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG at IETF103 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:16:58 -0000 On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 01:46:51PM +0100, Jrme Franois wrote: > > Yes, what I mean is that open-source can be considered as > standardization per se without being closely tied to be some > "regular" standardization process. > I do not share this view. There are many open source projects that compete and which are not interoperable. The purpose of a standard is interoperability (and the success of standards should IMHO be judged on the amount of interoperability they enabled.) /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Nov 5 05:42:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09079128CFD for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:42:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.922 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.922 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aQtnX0JyNVVK for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC3A512426A for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:42:40 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.54,468,1534802400"; d="scan'208";a="354182744" Received: from unknown (HELO [150.146.29.92]) ([150.146.29.92]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 05 Nov 2018 14:42:34 +0100 To: nmrg@irtf.org References: <644DA50AFA8C314EA9BDDAC83BD38A2E0EB88D0E@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> <20181105114248.5fpkmp7nrm7xf635@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <3fda3f9e-fa3a-e2a8-54d4-34d30ab50fe7@inria.fr> <20181105131652.w6frdeitjqner6r7@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> From: =?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= Message-ID: <04092ef4-62fe-5675-364a-c2cd5fcaa4cd@inria.fr> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:42:30 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181105131652.w6frdeitjqner6r7@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: fr Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG at IETF103 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:42:43 -0000 This just reflects some discussions I have with young and "less young" researchers that prefer to go for open-source exclusively to make their proposal de facto adopted rather than going through months or years of standardization. So, improving cooperation with open source communites is important. jerome On 05/11/2018 14:16, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 01:46:51PM +0100, Jérôme François wrote: >> Yes, what I mean is that open-source can be considered as >> standardization per se without being closely tied to be some >> "regular" standardization process. >> > I do not share this view. There are many open source projects that > compete and which are not interoperable. The purpose of a standard is > interoperability (and the success of standards should IMHO be judged > on the amount of interoperability they enabled.) > > /js > From nobody Mon Nov 5 06:53:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DBB12D4E8 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 06:53:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=mitre.onmicrosoft.com header.b=BRGScek/; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=mitre.org header.b=GuWUS8Ch Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NubZrNqAIkj9 for ; 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Beyond nit-picking, the point I would like to emphasize is that aiming and = managing standards development to such an outcome (usually) involves (somet= imes difficult) trade-offs and balances along the way. (And you have always= done a masterful job at that task.) Long-time lurker, BobN -----Original Message----- From: nmrg On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 8:17 AM To: J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois Cc: nmrg@irtf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG at IETF103 On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 01:46:51PM +0100, J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois wrote: >=20 > Yes, what I mean is that open-source can be considered as=20 > standardization per se without being closely tied to be some "regular"=20 > standardization process. > I do not share this view. There are many open source projects that compete = and which are not interoperable. The purpose of a standard is interoperabil= ity (and the success of standards should IMHO be judged on the amount of in= teroperability they enabled.) /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ nmrg mailing list nmrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From nobody Mon Nov 5 06:59:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D018130DE0 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 06:59:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 704fwo91nZhH for ; 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Mon, 5 Nov 2018 15:58:56 +0100 Received: by anna.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9A0103003AC0FA; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 15:58:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 15:58:55 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: =?utf-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= CC: Message-ID: <20181105145855.zernnvdctdaxy2rr@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: =?utf-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= , nmrg@irtf.org References: <644DA50AFA8C314EA9BDDAC83BD38A2E0EB88D0E@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> <20181105114248.5fpkmp7nrm7xf635@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <3fda3f9e-fa3a-e2a8-54d4-34d30ab50fe7@inria.fr> <20181105131652.w6frdeitjqner6r7@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <04092ef4-62fe-5675-364a-c2cd5fcaa4cd@inria.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <04092ef4-62fe-5675-364a-c2cd5fcaa4cd@inria.fr> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-ClientProxiedBy: SXCHMB04.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.156) To sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG at IETF103 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 14:59:02 -0000 Which is perfectly fine, you do not start with standardization, you may end with standardization in situations where interoperability between multiple implementations is adding value. /js On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 02:42:30PM +0100, Jrme Franois wrote: > This just reflects some discussions I have with young and "less young" researchers > that prefer to go for open-source exclusively to make their proposal de facto > adopted rather than going through months or years of standardization. > > So, improving cooperation with open source communites is important. > > jerome > > On 05/11/2018 14:16, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 01:46:51PM +0100, Jrme Franois wrote: > >> Yes, what I mean is that open-source can be considered as > >> standardization per se without being closely tied to be some > >> "regular" standardization process. > >> > > I do not share this view. There are many open source projects that > > compete and which are not interoperable. The purpose of a standard is > > interoperability (and the success of standards should IMHO be judged > > on the amount of interoperability they enabled.) > > > > /js > > > > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Nov 5 07:15:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2846A1200D7 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 07:15:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fezciaFjoDwR for ; 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The relationship of NMRG (and IRTF to a larger extent) to standards is sure= ly a point of discussion. How to compose with the current IRTF statement that RG are not meant to do= standardization? -Laurent. > -----Original Message----- > From: nmrg On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder > Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 16:16 > To: Natale, Bob > Cc: nmrg@irtf.org > Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG at IETF103 >=20 > On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 02:53:03PM +0000, Natale, Bob wrote: > > > > Apologies for shining the apple (or whatever the correct metaphor shoul= d > be) on your prescription below, but I'd say that the success of a standar= d > should be judged on the amount of interoperability _delivered_ in deploye= d > products/solutions over the set of target implementers. > > >=20 > Yep, this is what I meant. >=20 > /js >=20 > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From nobody Mon Nov 5 08:18:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EF5130E0E for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-ClientProxiedBy: SXCHMB04.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.156) To sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG at IETF103 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 16:18:54 -0000 On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 04:06:47PM +0000, Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) wrote: > > How to compose with the current IRTF statement that RG are not > meant to do standardization? The NMRG has been a place to stimulate interaction between researchers (that are sometimes detached from operational and technology reality) and network operators or technology developers (that are sometimes detached from the research state of the art). The challenge is to run something like this successfully since the interaction must provide value to a rather inhomogenous groups of people. Trying out different formats is likely worth it I think. If we take dialogue between people with different backgrounds as a value proposition, then of course meetings (colocated with whatever events) where only some groups participate are of limited value. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Nov 5 14:40:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C10124D68 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:40:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DcKr8pC753_F for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from lb2-smtp-cloud9.xs4all.net (lb2-smtp-cloud9.xs4all.net [194.109.24.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C6C2124C04 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:40:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh-4.fritz.box ([IPv6:2001:981:602b:1:140d:334c:f3e2:23b3]) by smtp-cloud9.xs4all.net with ESMTPSA id JnY7gChtaSskCJnY8gTlyT; Mon, 05 Nov 2018 23:40:52 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= , nmrg@irtf.org References: <644DA50AFA8C314EA9BDDAC83BD38A2E0EB88D0E@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> <20181105114248.5fpkmp7nrm7xf635@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> From: "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" Message-ID: <476ab1f3-d2dd-d7f6-8e3d-a0df04decc78@bwijnen.net> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 23:40:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181105114248.5fpkmp7nrm7xf635@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfC2CYyl2qrztjk2dRvHlW9rZqRygs/Os+fkyeTKYljkohtL3E8a6hU/D7xrZHA3eGTaO0zq9VKvnuS3RPG2j3HKpmbIPuCan1zH4jjdb7CigzdNexT4m Bd1ART4EN96X1ewv5/0t9ZWq4RcMraEd+7y95HZGHDLXwnuKnFVAISH1sXRGDB8EijmiT7DnP7M7z3n5/tsgCqPckyb1wpHsfRcy2F/FJBeKRVwVFGo4++Il j2/oJmcTZ4BVbaY0FFFjqafZDxRx2ZiiMi2SKysz8Q8= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] NMRG at IETF103 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 22:40:58 -0000 Those were the days ;-) Bert On 05/11/2018 12:42, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > Back in the 80s and 90s, Internet standard development was often > closely tied to open source activities. So I am not sure this is "a > new habit for standards". 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Dear NMRG,

 

Quick summary and minutes of NMRG50/IETF103 meeting are av= ailable at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/minutes-103-= nmrg-00

 

Thanks to Dean for the notes and J=E9ferson for relaying o= n Meetecho.

 

Stay tuned for more news on the evolution of NMRG!

 

In the meantime, please continue discussing your ideas for= the future of NMRG and technical topics on the mailing list.

 

Thank you.

Best regards, Laurent.

 

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I have started a GIT repo, and some mock code. I'm a software and a network engineer. I would love to have standards and code developed side by side. I think the whole domain that I'm looking at will prove to be quite interesting to tease out. Standardisation of a range of solution options is certainly important, but I will be excited to venture into the unknowns of new engineering, by focusing to remove remaining obstacles. Regards, Todd. On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 10:19, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, Todd, > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 7:16 PM Todd Hubers wrote: > >> Thanks Michael, >> >> At first glance, RFC 7971 is centralised around P2P data resource >> sharing. I have another scheme in mind which I would like to draft one day >> that may be superior in some cases. This RFC certainly does then propose >> the use of multiple layers in the network to accomplish its goals. However, >> it then lists problems that presumably a multi-layer solution would be >> fixing. >> > > Yes, I'd agree, and appreciate you sending the pointer. > > Mirja is (IIRC) the AD for ALTO now, but I had ALTO for a couple of years > after joining the IESG, and this list was very much the result of looking > at everything the ALTO working group wished they'd been able to know in > order to select "best initial peers". Their use case is pretty different > these days, but I don't think the list of what they wish they could know > has changed very much at all. > > Somewhere between draft-irtf-panrg-what-not-to-do and solutions drafts > (whether in IRTF or IETF), figuring out what has changed so that obstacles > to deployment aren't obstacles turns out to be really important. > > Spencer > > >> The discrepancies are due to various reasons, including, but not limited >>> to the following facts: >>> o The ALTO service is not an admission control system. >>> o The ALTO service >>> >>> * **may not know the instantaneous congestion status of the >>> network.*** >>> * of the network.*** o The ALTO service >>> >>> * **may not know all link bandwidths**, i.e., where the bottleneck >>> really is, and there may be shared bottlenecks.* >>> * bottleneck really is, and there may be shared bottlenecks.* o >>> The ALTO service >>> >>> ***may not have all information about the actual routing*** >>> * routing*** o The ALTO service >>> >>> ***may not know whether the candidate endpoint itself is >>> overloaded*** >>> * itself is overloaded*** o The ALTO service >>> >>> ***may not know whether the candidate endpoint throttles the >>> bandwidth it devotes for the considered application*** >>> * throttles the bandwidth it devotes for the considered >>> application*** o The ALTO service >>> >>> >>> ***may not know whether the candidate endpoint will throttle the >>> data it sends to the client (e.g., because of some fairness algorithm, >>> such as tit for tat).*** >>> * throttle the data it sends to the client (e.g., because of some** >>> fairness algorithm, such as tit for tat).*** >> >> >> For this reason, it is my opinion that the title of the RFC is a >> misnomer: "Application-Layer Traffic Optimization...". However, I do expect >> to find some useful ideas, references, and considerations, and I thank you >> for bringing this to my attention. >> >> I hope to find as many similar RFCs as possible. I would very much like >> to build upon a foundation of the hard work of others, and minimise the >> need to re-invent anything. >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 at 19:02, Scharf, Michael < >> Michael.Scharf@hs-esslingen.de> wrote: >> >>> Todd, >>> >>> >>> >>> I suggest to have a look at ALTO and specifically at RFC 7971, which >>> discusses such use cases. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please also have a look at the privacy implications of such information, >>> which are mentioned therein. >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Panrg [mailto:panrg-bounces@irtf.org] *On Behalf Of *Todd Hubers >>> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 7:31 AM >>> *To:* kojo=40cs.helsinki.fi@dmarc.ietf.org >>> *Cc:* panrg@irtf.org; spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [PANRG] An earlier draft on signaling between network >>> and end-hosts >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Markku, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have a standard concept primarily focused on application-layer access >>> to ISP broad contract information and status. However, I already flagged >>> that may also benefit cross-layer collaboration. Please see attached. I'm >>> trying to find collaborators to start an official draft. The draft document >>> [https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarolahti-tsvwg-crosslayer-01] is >>> noteworthy. >>> >>> >>> >>> Will you be wanting to help? Are you aware of any other similar IETF >>> documents? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 at 12:32, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < >>> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Markku, >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 5:15 PM Markku Kojo >> 40cs.helsinki.fi@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, all >>> >>> in the panrg session yesterday I pointed out an older draft that Pasi, >>> Sally and I initiated some 10+ years back: >>> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarolahti-tsvwg-crosslayer-01 >>> >>> Passing through the panrg email archieve after the meeting, I noticed >>> that >>> this draft as well as a few other useful docoments were already pointed >>> out in the early days of the panrg list when the rg was about to be >>> proposed (was not following the list at that time, sorry). >>> >>> Anyways, this draft started a discussion on existing mechanisms between >>> the network and end-hosts and discusses also challenges with such >>> mechanisms. Maybe still useful for panrg? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the reminder! I was vaguely following this research group >>> when it was proposed, so probably noticed the discussion and then started >>> doing telechat reviews and forgot everything except where my diet Pepsi >>> was. >>> >>> >>> >>> Spencer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Panrg mailing list >>> Panrg@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/panrg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Todd Hubers >>> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Todd Hubers >> > -- -- Todd Hubers --0000000000003496e5057a806c20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Spencer,

I was planning to work prim= arily with NMRG when I complete the initial draft. I have started a GIT rep= o, and some mock code. I'm a software and a network engineer. I would l= ove to have standards and code developed side by side.

=
I think the whole domain that I'm looking at will prove to be quit= e interesting to tease out. Standardisation of a range of solution options = is certainly important, but I will be excited to venture into the unknowns = of new engineering, by focusing to remove remaining obstacles.
Regards,

Todd.



On Tue, = 13 Nov 2018 at 10:19, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Todd,=C2=A0

=
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 7:16 PM = Todd Hubers <= todd.hubers@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Michael,

At first glance, RFC = 7971 is centralised around P2P data resource sharing. I have another scheme= in mind which I would like to draft one day that may be superior in some c= ases. This RFC certainly does then propose the use of multiple layers in th= e network to accomplish its goals. However, it then lists problems that pre= sumably a multi-layer solution would be fixing.

Yes, I'd agree, and appreciate you sending the pointer= .=C2=A0

Mirja is (IIRC) the AD for ALTO now, but I= had ALTO for a couple of years after joining the IESG, and this list was v= ery much the result of looking at everything the ALTO working group wished = they'd been able to know in order to select "best initial peers&qu= ot;. Their use case is pretty different these days, but I don't think t= he list of what they wish they could know has changed very much at all.=C2= =A0

Somewhere between draft-irtf-panrg-what-not-to= -do and solutions drafts (whether in IRTF or IETF), figuring out what has c= hanged so=C2=A0 that obstacles to deployment aren't obstacles turns out= to be really important.=C2=A0

Spencer
= =C2=A0
=C2=A0The discrepancies are due to vario= us reasons, including, but not limited to the following facts:
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0o =C2=A0The ALTO service is not an admission control system.
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0The ALTO service **may not know the instantaneous cong= estion status
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 of the network.**
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 of the network.**
=C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0The ALTO servic= e **may not know all link bandwidths**, i.e., where the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 bottleneck really is, and there may be shared bottlenecks.
<= b>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 bottleneck really is, and there may be shared bottle= necks.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0The ALTO service **may not have all i= nformation about the actual
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 routing**
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 routing**
=C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0The ALTO service **may not know whether the candidate endpoint
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 itse= lf is overloaded**
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 itself is overloaded**=C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0The ALTO service **may not know whether the ca= ndidate endpoint
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 throttles the bandwidth it devotes= for the considered application**
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 throttles = the bandwidth it devotes for the considered application**
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0o =C2=A0The ALTO service **may not know whether the candidate endpoin= t will
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 throttle the data it sends to the client (e.= g., because of some
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 fairness algorithm, such as tit= for tat).**
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 throttle the data it sends to t= he client (e.g., because of some
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 fairness al= gorithm, such as tit for tat).**

For this reason, it is my opinion that the title of the RFC is a misnomer:= "Application-Layer Traffic Optimization...". However, I do expec= t to find some useful ideas, references, and considerations, and I thank yo= u for bringing this to my attention.

I hope to fin= d as many similar RFCs as possible. I would very much like to build upon a = foundation of the hard work of others, and minimise the need to re-invent a= nything.




On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 at 19:0= 2, Scharf, Michael <Michael.Scharf@hs-esslingen.de> wrote:

Todd,

=C2= =A0

I suggest = to have a look at ALTO and specifically at RFC 7971, which discusses such u= se cases.

=C2= =A0

Please als= o have a look at the privacy implications of such information, which are me= ntioned therein.

=C2= =A0

Michael=

=C2= =A0

=C2= =A0

=C2= =A0

From: Panrg [m= ailto:panrg-bou= nces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Todd Hubers
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 7:31 AM
To: kojo=3D40cs.helsinki.fi@dmarc.ietf.org
Cc: panrg@irtf.o= rg; = spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PANRG] An earlier draft on signaling between network a= nd end-hosts

=C2=A0

Hi Markku,

=C2=A0

I have a standard concept primarily focused on appli= cation-layer access to ISP broad contract information and status. However, = I already flagged that may also benefit cross-layer collaboration. Please s= ee attached. I'm trying to find collaborators to start an official draft. The draft document [https:/= /tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarolahti-tsvwg-crosslayer-01] is noteworthy= .

=C2=A0

Will you be wanting to help? Are you aware of any ot= her similar IETF documents?

=C2=A0

Thanks

=C2=A0

On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 at 12:32, Spencer Dawkins at IETF= <spe= ncerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Markku,

=C2=A0

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 5:15 PM Markku Kojo <kojo= =3D40c= s.helsinki.fi@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Hi, all

in the panrg session yesterday I pointed out an older draft that Pasi,
Sally and I initiated some 10+ years back:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarolahti-tsvwg-crossl= ayer-01

Passing through the panrg email archieve after the meeting, I noticed that =
this draft as well as a few other useful docoments were already pointed out in the early days of the panrg list when the rg was about to be
proposed (was not following the list at that time, sorry).

Anyways, this draft started a discussion on existing mechanisms between the network and end-hosts and discusses also challenges with such
mechanisms. Maybe still useful for panrg?

=C2=A0

Thanks for the reminder! I was vaguely following thi= s research group when it was proposed, so probably noticed the discussion a= nd then started doing telechat reviews and forgot everything except where m= y diet Pepsi was.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Spencer=C2=A0

_______________________________________________
Panrg mailing list
Panrg@irtf.org
h= ttps://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/panrg


=C2=A0

--

--

Todd Hubers



--
--
Todd Hubers


--
--
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Additionally,=20 topical workshops will be co-located so various call for proposals are issued.=20 The topics of interest include, but are not limited to: =20 - Programmable SDN and NFV: languages, architectures, environments - Softwarized cloud, fog, and edge infrastructures - Cognitive and autonomic networking - Network slicing and slice management - Mobility management in software networks - Policy-based and Intent-Based Networking=20 - Centralized vs Distributed control, management & orchestration - Abstractions and virtualization of resources, services, and functions - Service Function Chaining=20 - Container/microservice-based network functions - Efficient network/service monitoring in SDN/NFV - AI techniques to support network automation - Analytics and big data approaches for managing softwarized networks - QoS and QoE in softwarized infrastructures - Resilience, reliability, and robustness of softwarized networks - Cooperative multi-party, multi-domain, multi-tenant SDN/NFV = environments - Security, Safety, Trust and Privacy support in virtualized = environments - SDN switch/router architecture and design - Dynamic resource discovery mechanisms and service parameter/resource=20 negotiation schemes - APIs, protocols, and languages for programmable networks - Lifecycle management of network software - DevOps methodologies for network softwarization - Debugging and introspection of software-defined virtualized systems - Service fulfillment assurance systems in SDN/NFV environments - Softwarized platforms for Internet of Things (IoT) - Energy efficient and green software-defined infrastructures (SDI) - Transition strategies from existing networks to SDN/NFV - New service models and paradigms enabled by softwarization - New value chains and business models - Socio-economic impact and regulatory implications for softwarization - Experience reports from experimental testbeds and deployments =20 *** Paper Submissions *** ************************* Authors are invited to submit original English-written contributions = in PDF format. Only original papers not published or submitted for publication=20 elsewhere can be submitted. Papers can be of two types: full (up to = 9 pages)=20 or short (up to 5 pages) papers. Full Papers accepted as short Papers will be=20 required to be reduced to 5 pages.=20 =20 Papers should be in IEEE 2-column US-Letter style using IEEE Conference template (see https://goo.gl/osSfEF). Only PDF files = will be accepted for the review=20 process and all manuscripts must be electronically submitted = through EDAS:=20 https://edas.info/newPaper.php?c=3D25363 =20 Papers exceeding these limits, multiple submissions, and = self-plagiarized papers will be rejected without further review. All submitted papers will be subject=20 to a peer-review process. At least one author of each accepted paper is required=20 to register to the NetSoft 2019 main conference to have their paper published=20 in the conference proceedings. The paper must be presented at the conference=20 by one author to be submitted for publication in IEEE Xplore. =20 Important: NetSoft 2019 is enforcing a strict publication and = no-show policy=20 as stated by IEEE. Please check details on the NetSoft 2019 = website. =20 More details about submissions are available at http://ieee-netsoft.org/authors=20 =20 *** Important dates *** *********************** - Paper submission deadline: December 3, 2018 =20 - Acceptance notification: March 8, 2019=20 - Camera-ready Papers: April 5, 2019 =20 *** TPC Co-Chairs *** ********************* Prosper Chemouil, Orange Labs (retired), France Flavio Esposito, Saint Louis University, USA Olivier Festor, TELECOM Nancy, France =20 *** General Co-Chairs *** ************************* Filip De Turck, Ghent University, Belgium Christian Jacquenet, Orange Labs, France =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01D47E5D.29AD2B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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            =                     =  Call for Papers               =                     =  

            =                     = IEEE NetSoft 2019

 

            = The 5th IEEE International Conference on Network = Softwarization

        =             "Unleashing the Power of = Network Softwarization"

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            =              June 24-28, 2019 - Paris, = France

            =                  http://ieee-netsoft.org   =                     =     

 

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The = 5th  IEEE  International Conference on Network Softwarization = (NetSoft 2019) 

will be held on June 24-28, = 2019 in Paris, France. IEEE NetSoft has been = created

as  a  flagship =  conference  aiming  at  addressing = =ECSoftwarization" of networks 

and =  systemic  trends  concerning  the convergence of = Cloud Computing, Software-

Defined Networking (SDN), and Network = Functions Virtualization (NFV).  

 

*** = Scope ***

*************

Over = the  years, software has become the core value provider in the = telecommuni-

cations industry. Boosted by = scientific breakthrough, continuous  innovation = and

stringent requirements for  new =  services, the telecommunications = transformation 

is  on  track =  and  filled  with  opportunities. The supporting = technologies are 

maturing  at =  great  pace  and  softwarization  is = recognized as a major enabler 

by = many standardization efforts and industrial = initiatives.

 

This =  trend will be reflected in  NetSoft 2019 in the various = topics of interest 

under  the  theme =  "Unleashing  the  power  of  network =  softwarization" and the 

conference  will serve as a forum to = discuss the latest advances in this area in

both = industry and academia related. 

 

*** = Topics of interest ***

**************************

NetSoft  2019  will =  feature technical paper presentations, keynotes, = tutorials, 

demos and exhibitions from = world-leading experts representing service = providers, 

vendors,  research = institutes, open source projects, and academia. = Additionally, 

topical  workshops =  will be co-located so various call for proposals are = issued. 

The topics of interest = include, but are not limited to:

 

- = Programmable SDN and NFV: languages, architectures, = environments

- Softwarized cloud, fog, = and edge infrastructures

- Cognitive and autonomic = networking

- Network slicing and slice = management

- Mobility management in software = networks

- Policy-based and Intent-Based = Networking 

- Centralized vs Distributed = control, management & orchestration

- = Abstractions and virtualization of resources, services, and = functions

- Service Function = Chaining 

- = Container/microservice-based network functions

- = Efficient network/service monitoring in SDN/NFV

- AI = techniques to support network automation

- = Analytics and big data approaches for managing softwarized = networks

- QoS and QoE in softwarized = infrastructures

- Resilience, reliability, = and robustness of softwarized networks

- = Cooperative multi-party, multi-domain, multi-tenant SDN/NFV = environments

- Security, Safety, Trust = and Privacy support in virtualized environments

- = SDN switch/router architecture and design

- = Dynamic   resource   discovery   mechanisms   and =  service  parameter/resource 

negotiation = schemes

- APIs, protocols, and languages for = programmable networks

- Lifecycle management of = network software

- DevOps methodologies for = network softwarization

- Debugging and = introspection of software-defined virtualized = systems

- Service fulfillment assurance systems = in SDN/NFV environments

- Softwarized platforms for = Internet of Things (IoT)

- Energy efficient and green = software-defined infrastructures (SDI)

- = Transition strategies from existing networks to = SDN/NFV

- New service models and paradigms = enabled by softwarization

- = New value chains and business models

- = Socio-economic impact and regulatory implications for = softwarization

- Experience reports from = experimental testbeds and deployments

 

*** = Paper Submissions ***

*************************

Authors are  invited to submit =  original  English-written  contributions  in = PDF

format.  Only  original =  papers  not  published  or  submitted =  for  publication 

elsewhere  can  be =  submitted. Papers can be of  two types: full (up to 9 = pages) 

or  short  (up to = 5 pages)  papers. Full Papers accepted as short Papers will = be 

required to be reduced to 5 = pages. 

 

Papers should be in IEEE 2-column = US-Letter style using IEEE Conference template

(see = https://goo.gl/osSfEF). Only  PDF  files  will =  be  accepted for the review 

process  and  all =  manuscripts  must  be electronically submitted =  through EDAS: 

https://edas.info/newPaper.php?c=3D25363

 

Papers exceeding these limits, multiple = submissions, and self-plagiarized papers

will =  be  rejected  without further review. All submitted = papers will be subject 

to a = peer-review process. At least one author of each accepted paper is = required 

to  register  to =  the NetSoft 2019 main conference to have their paper = published 

in  the =  conference  proceedings.  The paper must be presented at = the conference 

by one author to be = submitted for publication in IEEE Xplore.

 

Important: NetSoft 2019  is =  enforcing  a  strict publication and no-show = policy 

as  stated  by =  IEEE.  Please  check  details on the NetSoft 2019 = website.

 

More = details about submissions are available at  http://ieee-netsoft.org/authors 

 

*** = Important dates ***

***********************<= /p>

- Paper submission deadline:   =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 December 3, 2018 =  

- Acceptance notification:     =  =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 March 8, 2019 

- = Camera-ready Papers:        =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 April 5, = 2019

 

*** = TPC Co-Chairs ***

*********************

Prosper Chemouil, Orange Labs (retired), = France

Flavio Esposito, Saint Louis University, = USA

Olivier Festor, TELECOM Nancy, = France

 

*** = General Co-Chairs ***

*************************

Filip De Turck, Ghent University, = Belgium

Christian Jacquenet, Orange Labs, = France

 

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Submission: Jan. 6, 2018
Decisi= ons: Feb. 10, 2019
Camera ready: March 10, 2019

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The IEEE Global Internet Symposium aims to provide a top forum for = researchers and practitioners to present and discuss advances in Internet r= elated technologies. The focus of the symposium is on experimental systems = and emerging future Internet technologies, and especially on scaling such s= ystems to the global scale of the Internet.=C2=A0

= This year, Global Internet Symposium will have a special focus on developin= g countries, especially measurements-related aspects. In addition to the tr= aditional research papers, we also encourage well-thought-through position = papers, papers that compare proposed approaches, papers that clarify and co= mpare inherent differences between competing technologies, and heresy.
<= br>The topics of interest include, but are not limited to the following:
Routing, switching, and addressing
Software defined networks and ne= twork function virtualization
Geo-distributed applications, consistency = and latency challenges
Content delivery and management
Internet eXcha= nges and remote peering
Internet structure and analysis tools
Network= -aware applications
Distributed Systems
Next generation network archi= tectures
Novel Distributed Internet applications including live video st= reaming, and real-time large-scale games
Online social networking
Pee= r to Peer networks
Novel applications and new paradigms
Internet meas= urement, modeling, and visualization
Large scale network operation and p= erformance monitoring
Privacy, security, and censorship issues on the In= ternet
Anomaly, intrusion and attack detection
Economic aspects of th= e Internet and network neutrality

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<= br>Program Committee Chairs:
Steve Uhlig (QMUL, UK)
Felix Cuadrado (Q= MUL, UK)

Developing countries track:
Ahmed Elmokashfi = (Simula, Norway)
Alessandro Improta (IIT-CNR, Italy)
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            =                     =  Call for Papers               =                     =  

            =                     = IEEE NetSoft 2019

 

            = The 5th IEEE International Conference on Network = Softwarization

        =             "Unleashing the Power of = Network Softwarization"

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            =              June 24-28, 2019 - Paris, = France

            =                  http://ieee-netsoft.org   =                     =     

 

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The = 5th  IEEE  International Conference on Network Softwarization = (NetSoft 2019) 

will be held on June 24-28, = 2019 in Paris, France. IEEE NetSoft has been = created

as  a  flagship =  conference  aiming  at  addressing = =ECSoftwarization" of networks 

and =  systemic  trends  concerning  the convergence of = Cloud Computing, Software-

Defined Networking (SDN), and Network = Functions Virtualization (NFV).  

 

*** = Scope ***

*************

Over = the  years, software has become the core value provider in the = telecommuni-

cations industry. Boosted by = scientific breakthrough, continuous  innovation = and

stringent requirements for  new =  services, the telecommunications = transformation 

is  on  track =  and  filled  with  opportunities. The supporting = technologies are 

maturing  at =  great  pace  and  softwarization  is = recognized as a major enabler 

by = many standardization efforts and industrial = initiatives.

 

This =  trend will be reflected in  NetSoft 2019 in the various = topics of interest 

under  the  theme =  "Unleashing  the  power  of  network =  softwarization" and the 

conference  will serve as a forum to = discuss the latest advances in this area in

both = industry and academia related. 

 

*** = Topics of interest ***

**************************

NetSoft  2019  will =  feature technical paper presentations, keynotes, = tutorials, 

demos and exhibitions from = world-leading experts representing service = providers, 

vendors,  research = institutes, open source projects, and academia. = Additionally, 

topical  workshops =  will be co-located so various call for proposals are = issued. 

The topics of interest = include, but are not limited to:

 

- = Programmable SDN and NFV: languages, architectures, = environments

- Softwarized cloud, fog, = and edge infrastructures

- Cognitive and autonomic = networking

- Network slicing and slice = management

- Mobility management in software = networks

- Policy-based and Intent-Based = Networking 

- Centralized vs Distributed = control, management & orchestration

- = Abstractions and virtualization of resources, services, and = functions

- Service Function = Chaining 

- = Container/microservice-based network functions

- = Efficient network/service monitoring in SDN/NFV

- AI = techniques to support network automation

- = Analytics and big data approaches for managing softwarized = networks

- QoS and QoE in softwarized = infrastructures

- Resilience, reliability, = and robustness of softwarized networks

- = Cooperative multi-party, multi-domain, multi-tenant SDN/NFV = environments

- Security, Safety, Trust = and Privacy support in virtualized environments

- = SDN switch/router architecture and design

- = Dynamic   resource   discovery   mechanisms   and =  service  parameter/resource 

negotiation = schemes

- APIs, protocols, and languages for = programmable networks

- Lifecycle management of = network software

- DevOps methodologies for = network softwarization

- Debugging and = introspection of software-defined virtualized = systems

- Service fulfillment assurance systems = in SDN/NFV environments

- Softwarized platforms for = Internet of Things (IoT)

- Energy efficient and green = software-defined infrastructures (SDI)

- = Transition strategies from existing networks to = SDN/NFV

- New service models and paradigms = enabled by softwarization

- = New value chains and business models

- = Socio-economic impact and regulatory implications for = softwarization

- Experience reports from = experimental testbeds and deployments

 

*** = Paper Submissions ***

*************************

Authors are  invited to submit =  original  English-written  contributions  in = PDF

format.  Only  original =  papers  not  published  or  submitted =  for  publication 

elsewhere  can  be =  submitted. Papers can be of  two types: full (up to 9 = pages) 

or  short  (up to = 5 pages)  papers. Full Papers accepted as short Papers will = be 

required to be reduced to 5 = pages. 

 

Papers should be in IEEE 2-column = US-Letter style using IEEE Conference template

(see = https://goo.gl/osSfEF). Only  PDF  files  will =  be  accepted for the review 

process  and  all =  manuscripts  must  be electronically submitted =  through EDAS: 

https://edas.info/newPaper.php?c=3D25363

 

Papers exceeding these limits, multiple = submissions, and self-plagiarized papers

will =  be  rejected  without further review. All submitted = papers will be subject 

to a = peer-review process. At least one author of each accepted paper is = required 

to  register  to =  the NetSoft 2019 main conference to have their paper = published 

in  the =  conference  proceedings.  The paper must be presented at = the conference 

by one author to be = submitted for publication in IEEE Xplore.

 

Important: NetSoft 2019  is =  enforcing  a  strict publication and no-show = policy 

as  stated  by =  IEEE.  Please  check  details on the NetSoft 2019 = website.

 

More = details about submissions are available at  http://ieee-netsoft.org/authors 

 

*** = Important dates ***

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- Paper submission deadline:   =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 December 3, 2018 =  

- Acceptance notification:     =  =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 March 8, 2019 

- = Camera-ready Papers:        =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 April 5, = 2019

 

*** = TPC Co-Chairs ***

*********************

Prosper Chemouil, Orange Labs (retired), = France

Flavio Esposito, Saint Louis University, = USA

Olivier Festor, TELECOM Nancy, = France

 

*** = General Co-Chairs ***

*************************

Filip De Turck, Ghent University, = Belgium

Christian Jacquenet, Orange Labs, = France

 

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