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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR07MB4863 Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] NMRG Virtual Meeting April 2019: 25-04-2019 16:00-18:00 CET X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 14:46:15 -0000 --_000_VI1PR07MB46878E026473498AD93A7B4FF3550VI1PR07MB4687eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Thursday 25-04-2019 16:00-18-00 CET is the slot with most votes. 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Dear all,

 

Thursday 25-04-2019 16:00-18-00 CET is the s= lot with most votes.

 

Logistics:

* Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm2fe003c8a03d2806314d2e4abecda3c7<= /a> + see details at the bottom of the message.

* Etherpad: https:/= /etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190425

 

 

Agenda:

Please submit your agenda item proposals by W= ednesday, April 17th AoE, by sending a message to the NMRG chair= s.

We will see what needs to be discussed and t= he priorities.

 

 

Tentative agenda:

* ~05 min. – Introduction, Chairs.

 

* ~xx min. – Status progress on Intent= Based Networking topic.

  . status, discussion, next steps= .

  . work plan update.=

 

* ~xx min. - Other items/TBD.

 

* ~05 min. – Status of the WG, next me= etings, etc.

 

Updates and materials will be provided prior= to the meeting.

Thanks, best regards, Laurent.

---

 

 

 

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To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@noki= a.com>
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You can forward this invitation to others.

 

Hello,

Network Management Research Group invites you to join this Webex= meeting.

 

 

 

NMRG Virtual April 2019

Thursday 25 April 2019

16:00  |  Europe Summer Time (Paris, GMT+= ;02:00)  |  2 hrs

 

Meeting number (access code): 645 992 641

 

Meeting password: april-19

 

 

 

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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR07MB4557 Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] Poll for NMRG Interim Meeting, June 2019, Silicon Valley, USA X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 11:12:15 -0000 --_000_VI1PR07MB468734D142B68C298F4696D5F3560VI1PR07MB4687eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, This is the poll for the NMRG Interim Meeting, June 2019, Silicon Valley, U= SA. The meeting will focus on Intent Based Networking. The meeting will explore aspects such as zero-touch, automation, intelligen= ce; and continue progress on the current work items. --- Duration: 1 or 2 days. Meeting type: On site (face-to-face). Remote participation for selected ses= sions only. Location: Silicon Valley, USA. Exact location TBC. Date: please fill in the doodle: https://doodle.com/poll/663uhruf8eqmh27k --- Please reply to the doodle poll by Wednesday, April 17th 2019. Thank you, best regards, Laurent. --_000_VI1PR07MB468734D142B68C298F4696D5F3560VI1PR07MB4687eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

This is the poll for the NMRG Interim Meeting, June 2019, = Silicon Valley, USA.

 

The meeting will focus on Intent Based Networking.

The meeting will explore aspects such as zero-touch, autom= ation, intelligence; and continue progress on the current work items.<= /o:p>

 

---

Duration: 1 or 2 days.

Meeting type: On site (face-to-face). Remote participation= for selected sessions only.

Location: Silicon Valley, USA. Exact location = TBC.

Date: please fill in the doodle: https://doodle.com/poll/6= 63uhruf8eqmh27k

 

---

Please reply to the doodle poll by Wednesday, April 17th 2= 019.

 

Thank you, best regards, Laurent.

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, The Webex link in the body of the email was wrong. Please use: https://ietf= .webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm86803140620ac03a9e799f0954a77c5e The Webex information at the bottom of the message is correct. Thanks for your understanding, best regards, Laurent. From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 16:46 To: nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: NMRG Virtual Meeting April 2019: 25-04-2019 16:00-18:00 CET Dear all, Thursday 25-04-2019 16:00-18-00 CET is the slot with most votes. Logistics: * Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm2fe003c8a03d2806314d2e4a= becda3c7 + see details at the bottom of the message. * Etherpad: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190425 Agenda: Please submit your agenda item proposals by Wednesday, April 17th AoE, by s= ending a message to the NMRG chairs. We will see what needs to be discussed and the priorities. Tentative agenda: * ~05 min. - Introduction, Chairs. * ~xx min. - Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic. . status, discussion, next steps. . work plan update. * ~xx min. - Other items/TBD. * ~05 min. - Status of the WG, next meetings, etc. Updates and materials will be provided prior to the meeting. Thanks, best regards, Laurent. --- From: Network Management Research Group > Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 15:53 To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) > Subject: (Forward to others) Webex meeting invitation: NMRG Virtual April 2= 019 You can forward this invitation to others. Hello, Network Management Research Group invites you to join this Webex meeting. NMRG Virtual April 2019 Thursday 25 April 2019 16:00 | Europe Summer Time (Paris, GMT+02:00) | 2 hrs Meeting number (access code): 645 992 641 Meeting password: april-19 Add to Calendar When it's time, join the meeting. Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll= number (US/Canada) Can't join the meeting? IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this Webex service allows audio and othe= r information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be discover= able in a legal matter. By joining this session, you automatically consent = to such recordings. If you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your c= oncerns with the host or do not join the session. --_000_VI1PR07MB46873B373F5935050E2D6247F3570VI1PR07MB4687eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

The Webex link in the body of the email was = wrong. Please use: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm86803140620ac03a9e799f0954a77c5e<= /a>

The Webex information at the bottom of the m= essage is correct.

 

Thanks for your understanding, best regards,= Laurent.

 

 

From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Sa= clay)
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 16:46
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: NMRG Virtual Meeting April 2019: 25-04-2019 16:00-18:00 CET=

 

Dear all,

 

Thursday 25-04-2019 16:00-18-00 CET is the s= lot with most votes.

 

Logistics:

* Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm2fe003c8a03d2806314d2e4abecda3c7<= /a> + see details at the bottom of the message.

* Etherpad: https:/= /etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190425

 

 

Agenda:

Please submit your agenda item proposals by W= ednesday, April 17th AoE, by sending a message to the NMRG chair= s.

We will see what needs to be discussed and t= he priorities.

 

 

Tentative agenda:

* ~05 min. – Introduction, Chairs.

 

* ~xx min. – Status progress on Intent= Based Networking topic.

  . status, discussion, next steps= .

  . work plan update.=

 

* ~xx min. - Other items/TBD.

 

* ~05 min. – Status of the WG, next me= etings, etc.

 

Updates and materials will be provided prior= to the meeting.

Thanks, best regards, Laurent.

---

 

 

 

From: Network Management Research Group &= lt;messenger@webex.com>
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 15:53
To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>
Subject: (Forward to others) Webex meeting invitation: NMRG Virtual April 2= 019

 

You can forward this invitation to others.

 

Hello,

Network Management Research Group invites you to join this Webex= meeting.

 

 

 

NMRG Virtual April 2019

Thursday 25 April 2019

16:00  |  Europe Summer Time (Paris, GMT+= ;02:00)  |  2 hrs

 

Meeting number (access code): 645 992 641

 

Meeting password: april-19

 

 

 

Add to Calendar

When it's time, join the meeting.<= /span>

 

 

 

Join by phone

1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)

 

 

 

Can't joi= n the meeting?

 

 

 

IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this Webex service allows aud= io and other information sent during the session to be recorded, which may = be discoverable in a legal matter. By joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not = consent to being recorded, discuss your concerns with the host or do not jo= in the session.

 

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Agenda: Tentative agenda / TBC: * ~05 min. – Introduction, Chairs. * ~xx min. – Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic. . status, discussion, next steps. . work plan update. * ~xx min. - Other items/TBD. * ~05 min. – Status of the WG, next meetings, etc. Information about remote participation: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m86803140620ac03a9e799f0954a77c5e From nobody Fri Apr 5 04:16:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F6C1203D2 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 04:16:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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I think this approach is very interesting and could be develop in different= spheres such as IRTF/IETF, conferences, and others. This is a topic I will discuss with the IEEE/IFIP network community next we= ek (IEEE IM 2019 conference). In the meantime, you may be interested in submitting your challenge proposa= ls to the Applied Machine Learning Days 2020. https://www.appliedmldays.org/call-challenges?utm_source=3DApplied+Machine+= Learning+Days&utm_campaign=3D9eb5036815-2019_04_04_calls_locations_challeng= es&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_term=3D0_43d5b43829-9eb5036815-84008231 I'm available if you'd like to develop this idea further in the scope of NM= RG or beyond. Best regards, Laurent. --_000_VI1PR07MB468755F0A011F07300332096F3510VI1PR07MB4687eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear NMRG,

 

The topic of an "Network AI ch= allenge" has been briefly proposed during the NMRG meeting at IETF 104= /Prague.

I think this approach is very inter= esting and could be develop in different spheres such as IRTF/IETF, confere= nces, and others.

This is a topic I will discuss with= the IEEE/IFIP network community next week (IEEE IM 2019 conference).<= /o:p>

In the meantime, you may be interes= ted in submitting your challenge proposals to the Applied Machine Learning = Days 2020.

https://= www.appliedmldays.org/call-challenges?utm_source=3DApplied+Machine+= Learning+Days&utm_campaign=3D9eb5036815-2019_04_04_calls_locations_= challenges&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_term=3D0_43d5b43829-9eb5036815-84= 008231

 

I'm available if you'd like to deve= lop this idea further in the scope of NMRG or beyond.

 

Best regards, Laurent.

 

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, The agenda is online: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-= nmrg-01-nmrg-01/ Looking forward to seeing you in Washington. Best regards, Laurent. ________________________________ From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 12:41:29 PM To: nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: *** CORRECTED WEBEX LINK *** NMRG Virtual Meeting April 2019: 25-0= 4-2019 16:00-18:00 CET Hello, The Webex link in the body of the email was wrong. Please use: https://ietf= .webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm86803140620ac03a9e799f0954a77c5e The Webex information at the bottom of the message is correct. Thanks for your understanding, best regards, Laurent. From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 16:46 To: nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: NMRG Virtual Meeting April 2019: 25-04-2019 16:00-18:00 CET Dear all, Thursday 25-04-2019 16:00-18-00 CET is the slot with most votes. Logistics: * Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm2fe003c8a03d2806314d2e4a= becda3c7 + see details at the bottom of the message. * Etherpad: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190425 Agenda: Please submit your agenda item proposals by Wednesday, April 17th AoE, by s= ending a message to the NMRG chairs. We will see what needs to be discussed and the priorities. Tentative agenda: * ~05 min. =96 Introduction, Chairs. * ~xx min. =96 Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic. . status, discussion, next steps. . work plan update. * ~xx min. - Other items/TBD. * ~05 min. =96 Status of the WG, next meetings, etc. Updates and materials will be provided prior to the meeting. Thanks, best regards, Laurent. --- From: Network Management Research Group > Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 15:53 To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) > Subject: (Forward to others) Webex meeting invitation: NMRG Virtual April 2= 019 You can forward this invitation to others. Hello, Network Management Research Group invites you to join this Webex meeting. NMRG Virtual April 2019 Thursday 25 April 2019 16:00 | Europe Summer Time (Paris, GMT+02:00) | 2 hrs Meeting number (access code): 645 992 641 Meeting password: april-19 Add to Calendar When it's time, join the meeting. Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll= number (US/Canada) Can't join the meeting? IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this Webex service allows audio and othe= r information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be discover= able in a legal matter. By joining this session, you automatically consent = to such recordings. If you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your c= oncerns with the host or do not join the session. --_000_VI1PR07MB4687BA3768442A2542CCCE6BF3520VI1PR07MB4687eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

Looking forward to seeing you in Washington.

Best regards, Laurent.
From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (N= okia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 12:41:29 PM
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: *** CORRECTED WEBEX LINK *** NMRG Virtual Meeting April 201= 9: 25-04-2019 16:00-18:00 CET
 

Hello,

 

The Webex link in the body of the email wa= s wrong. Please use: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm86803140620ac03a9e799f0954a77c5e<= /a>

The Webex information at the bottom of the= message is correct.

 

Thanks for your understanding, best regard= s, Laurent.

 

 

From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Sa= clay)
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 16:46
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: NMRG Virtual Meeting April 2019: 25-04-2019 16:00-18:00 CET=

 

Dear all,

 

Thursday 25-04-2019 16:00-18-00 CET is the= slot with most votes.

 

Logistics:

* Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm2fe003c8a03d2806314d2e4abecda3c7<= /a> + see details at the bottom of the message.

* Etherpad: https:/= /etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190425

 

 

Agenda:

Please submit your agenda item proposals by= Wednesday, April 17th AoE, by sending a message to the NMRG cha= irs.

We will see what needs to be discussed and= the priorities.

 

 

Tentative agenda:

* ~05 min. =96 Introduction, Chairs.

 

* ~xx min. =96 Status progress on Intent B= ased Networking topic.

  . status, discussion, next ste= ps.

  . work plan update.

 

* ~xx min. - Other items/TBD.

 

* ~05 min. =96 Status of the WG, next meet= ings, etc.

 

Updates and materials will be provided pri= or to the meeting.

Thanks, best regards, Laurent.

---

 

 

 

From: Network Management Research Group= <messenger@webex.com>
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 15:53
To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>
Subject: (Forward to others) Webex meeting invitation: NMRG Virtual April 2= 019

 

You can forward this invitat= ion to others.

 <= /b>

Hello,

Network Management Research = Group invites you to join this Webex meeting.

 <= /b>

 

 <= /b>

NMRG Virtual April 2019

Thursday 25 April 2019

16:00  | &nbs= p;Europe Summer Time (Paris, GMT+02:00)  |  2 hrs

 <= /b>

Meeting number (access code)= : 645 992 641

 <= /b>

Meeting password: april-19

 

 

 

Add to Calendar<= b>

When it's time, join the meeting.

 <= /b>

 

 <= /b>

Join by phone

1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)

 <= /b>

 

 <= /b>

Can't join the meeting?

 <= /b>

 

 <= /b>

IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please not= e that this Webex service allows audio and other information sent during th= e session to be recorded, which may be discoverable in a legal matter. By joining this session, you automatically consent to s= uch recordings. If you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your conce= rns with the host or do not join the session.

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, The agenda for our sessions (12:30 and 17:30 ET) have been updated and the = slides are now available. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-nmrg-01-nmrg-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-01/session/nmrg https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-02/session/nmrg FYI, copied below the information on the two interim sessions. Best regards, Laurent. --- NMRG session 1 Interim meeting on 2019-04-09 from 12:30 to 13:30 ET. Meeting Location: Washington, US, co-located with IEEE IM conference Information about remote participation: Remote participation is not planned= . NMRG session 2 Interim meeting on 2019-04-09 from 17:30 to 18:30 ET. Meeting Location: Washington, US, co-located with IEEE IM conference Information about remote participation: Remote participation is not planned= . --_000_VI1PR07MB468723F70F5D24177B7F8104F32D0VI1PR07MB4687eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

The agenda for our sessions (12:30 and 17:30 ET) have been= updated and the slides are now available.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019= -nmrg-01-nmrg-01

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-= nmrg-01/session/nmrg

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-= nmrg-02/session/nmrg

 

FYI, copied below the information on the two interim sessi= ons.

 

Best regards, Laurent.

---

NMRG session 1

Interim meeting on 2019-04-09 from 12:30 to 13:30 ET.=

Meeting Location: Washington, US, co-located with IEEE IM = conference

Information about remote participation: Remote participati= on is not planned.

 

NMRG session 2

Interim meeting on 2019-04-09 from 17:30 to 18:30 ET.=

Meeting Location: Washington, US,  co-located with IE= EE IM conference

Information about remote participation: Remote participati= on is not planned.

 

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A good estimation of on-site participants is essential to plan the proper l= ogistics. Thank you. Best regards, Laurent. From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 13:12 To: nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; Pedro Martinez-Julia (pedro@nict.go.jp) ; J=E9ferson Campos Nobre Subject: Poll for NMRG Interim Meeting, June 2019, Silicon Valley, USA Hello, This is the poll for the NMRG Interim Meeting, June 2019, Silicon Valley, U= SA. The meeting will focus on Intent Based Networking. The meeting will explore aspects such as zero-touch, automation, intelligen= ce; and continue progress on the current work items. --- Duration: 1 or 2 days. Meeting type: On site (face-to-face). Remote participation for selected ses= sions only. Location: Silicon Valley, USA. Exact location TBC. Date: please fill in the doodle: https://doodle.com/poll/663uhruf8eqmh27k --- Please reply to the doodle poll by Wednesday, April 17th 2019. Thank you, best regards, Laurent. --_000_VI1PR07MB4687F898E2AD6F002CBC5349F3260VI1PR07MB4687eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

Please fill in the Doodle poll for the= June Interim (f2f) meeting in Silicon Valley, USA.

A good estimation of on-site participa= nts is essential to plan the proper logistics.

 

Thank you.

Best regards, Laurent.

 

 

From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Sa= clay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 13:12
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; Pedro Martinez-Julia (pedro@nict.go.jp) &l= t;pedro@nict.go.jp>; J=E9ferson Campos Nobre <jcnobre@inf.ufrgs.br>= ;
Subject: Poll for NMRG Interim Meeting, June 2019, Silicon Valley, U= SA

 

Hello,

 

This is the poll for the NMRG Interim Meeting, June = 2019, Silicon Valley, USA.

 

The meeting will focus on Intent Based Networking.

The meeting will explore aspects such as zero-touch,= automation, intelligence; and continue progress on the current work items.=

 

---

Duration: 1 or 2 days.

Meeting type: On site (face-to-face). Remote partici= pation for selected sessions only.

Location: Silicon Valley, USA. Exact loc= ation TBC.

Date: please fill in the doodle: https://doodle.com/pol= l/663uhruf8eqmh27k

 

---

Please reply to the doodle poll by Wednesday, April = 17th 2019.

 

Thank you, best regards, Laurent.<= /p>

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+0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Liushucheng (Will Liu)" CC: "nmrg@irtf.org" , "draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20190424052908.4ctoxs3klt5ehopc@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: "Liushucheng (Will Liu)" , "nmrg@irtf.org" , "draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification@ietf.org" References: <155602323349.32441.10483611247095706610.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-ClientProxiedBy: SXCHMB04.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.156) To sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 05:29:17 -0000 How does this document relate to draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-01? Are the authors of these two documents going to collaborate to produce a common document? /js On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 02:23:51AM +0000, Liushucheng (Will Liu) wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I just did some small modifications and submit this draft as -nmrg, whi= ch replaced the old draft-li version. >=20 > As we presented during last NMRG meeting, there are several shared prin= ciples between SDOs: > -intent should be declarative, using and depending on as few deployme= nt details as possible and focusing on what and not how > -intent should provide an easy-to-use interface, and use terminology = and concepts familiar to its target audience > -intent should be vendor-independent and portable across platforms > -the intent framework should be able to detect and resolve conflicts = between multiple intents >=20 > This document goal is to discuss and propose how to classify intents, s= o that can be a good foundation for future discussion related to intent = in IETF scope. >=20 > In the draft we've listed Intent Classification based on : > -Solutions, Users and their Purpose > -When to Activate > -Lifecycle Management Requirements > -Granularity >=20 > Slides we presented:=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-nmrg-sess= b-intent-classification-00 > =20 > Your comments and contributions are welcome! >=20 > Regards, / =E8=87=B4=E7=A4=BC!=20 > Will LIU / =E5=88=98=E6=A0=91=E6=88=90 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 8:41 PM > To: Liushucheng (Will Liu) ; John Strassner ; Olga Havel ; Xuweipin= g (David) ; Ying Cheng = ; Liushucheng (Will Liu) ; Chen Li > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classificati= on-00.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Will (Shucheng) Liu and posted to th= e IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification > Revision: 00 > Title: Intent Classification > Document date: 2019-04-22 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 13 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-nmrg-inte= nt-classification-00.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-nmrg-intent-c= lassification/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classi= fication-00 > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-nmrg-int= ent-classification >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > RFC 7575 defines Intent as an abstract high-level policy used to > operate the network. Intent management system includes an interface > for users to input requests and an engine to translate the intents > into the network configuration and manage their lifecycle. Up to > now, there is no commonly agreed definition, interface or model of > intent. >=20 > This document discusses what intent means to different stakeholders, > describes different ways to classify intent, and an associated > taxonomy of this classification. This is a foundation for discussion > intent related topics. >=20 > = =20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submi= ssion until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org= . >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed Apr 24 12:59:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BCE1203E5; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:59:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Reminder for our virtual meeting tomorrow/Thursday April 25th * Hello, I've updated the agenda and uploaded a set of slides: Agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-nmrg-03-nmrg-0= 1/01/ Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-03/materials= /slides-interim-2019-nmrg-03-sessa-introduction Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm86803140620ac03a9e799f0954= a77c5e + see details at the bottom of the message. 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Tentative agenda: * ~05 min. - Introduction, Chairs. * ~xx min. - Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic. . status, discussion, next steps. . work plan update. * ~xx min. - Other items/TBD. * ~05 min. - Status of the WG, next meetings, etc. Updates and materials will be provided prior to the meeting. Thanks, best regards, Laurent. --- From: Network Management Research Group > Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 15:53 To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) > Subject: (Forward to others) Webex meeting invitation: NMRG Virtual April 2= 019 You can forward this invitation to others. Hello, Network Management Research Group invites you to join this Webex meeting. NMRG Virtual April 2019 Thursday 25 April 2019 16:00 | Europe Summer Time (Paris, GMT+02:00) | 2 hrs Meeting number (access code): 645 992 641 Meeting password: april-19 Add to Calendar When it's time, join the meeting. Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll= number (US/Canada) Can't join the meeting? 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* Reminder for our virtual meeting tomorrow/= Thursday April 25th *

 

Hello,

I've updated the agenda and uploaded a set o= f slides:

 

Agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-nmrg-03-nmrg-01/01/

Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-= nmrg-03/materials/slides-interim-2019-nmrg-03-sessa-introduction=

Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm868031= 40620ac03a9e799f0954a77c5e + see details at the bottom of the message.

Etherpad: https:/= /etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190425

 

Best regards, Laurent.

 

 

 

From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Sa= clay)
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 16:46
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org=
Subject: NMRG Virtual Meeting April 2019: 25-04-2019 16:00-18:00 CET=

 

Dear all,

 

Thursday 25-04-2019 16:00-18-00 CET is the s= lot with most votes.

 

Logistics:

* Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm868031= 40620ac03a9e799f0954a77c5e + see details at the bottom of the message.

* Etherpad: https:/= /etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190425

 

 

Agenda:

Please submit your agenda item proposals by W= ednesday, April 17th AoE, by sending a message to the NMRG chair= s.

We will see what needs to be discussed and t= he priorities.

 

 

Tentative agenda:

* ~05 min. – Introduction, Chairs.

 

* ~xx min. – Status progress on Intent= Based Networking topic.

  . status, discussion, next steps= .

  . work plan update.=

 

* ~xx min. - Other items/TBD.

 

* ~05 min. – Status of the WG, next me= etings, etc.

 

Updates and materials will be provided prior= to the meeting.

Thanks, best regards, Laurent.

---

 

 

 

From: Network Management Research Group &= lt;messenger@webex.com>
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 15:53
To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>
Subject: (Forward to others) Webex meeting invitation: NMRG Virtual April 2= 019

 

You can forward this invitation to others.

 

Hello,

Network Management Research Group invites you to join this Webex= meeting.

 

 

 

NMRG Virtual April 2019

Thursday 25 April 2019

16:00  |  Europe Summer Time (Paris, GMT+= ;02:00)  |  2 hrs

 

Meeting number (access code): 645 992 641

 

Meeting password: april-19

 

 

 

Add to Calendar

When it's time, join the meeting.<= /span>

 

 

 

Join by phone

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Can't joi= n the meeting?

 

 

 

IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this Webex service allows aud= io and other information sent during the session to be recorded, which may = be discoverable in a legal matter. By joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not = consent to being recorded, discuss your concerns with the host or do not jo= in the session.

 

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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-ClientProxiedBy: SXCHMB04.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.156) To sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 08:38:40 -0000 I prefer that the NMRG produces a single document. /js On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 08:34:15AM +0000, Liushucheng (Will Liu) wrote: > Hi Juergen, >=20 > Thanks for the question. IMHO, the two draft are complementary.=20 >=20 > draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-01 is a good start to clearify the concept= of intent and relationship between intent and policy.=20 >=20 > The abstract of draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-01: > Intent and Intent-Based Networking are taking the industry by storm. At= the same time, those terms are used loosely and often inconsistently, in= many cases overlapping with other concepts such as "policy". This docume= nt is therefore intended to clarify the concept of "Intent" and how it re= lates to other concepts. The goal is to contribute towards a common and s= hared understanding of terms and concepts which can then be used as found= ation to guide further definition of valid research and engineering probl= ems and their solutions. >=20 > draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00 is a summary of the categorizati= on of intent and can be the a good baseline to refer to when we discuss t= he scope of intent. E.g., we could easily refer to this draft to describe= which kinds of intent we are working firstly in NMRG and which are not c= overed here or being worked in other SDOs. >=20 > I've been discussing with Alex about the next step of the two drafts an= d we can discuss this in today online meeting.=20 >=20 > Regards, / =E8=87=B4=E7=A4=BC!=20 > Will LIU / =E5=88=98=E6=A0=91=E6=88=90 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.d= e]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 1:29 PM > To: Liushucheng (Will Liu) > Cc: nmrg@irtf.org; draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft-li-nmrg-inte= nt-classification-00.txt >=20 > How does this document relate to draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-01? Are t= he authors of these two documents going to collaborate to produce a commo= n document? >=20 > /js >=20 > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 02:23:51AM +0000, Liushucheng (Will Liu) wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > I just did some small modifications and submit this draft as -nmrg, w= hich replaced the old draft-li version. > >=20 > > As we presented during last NMRG meeting, there are several shared pr= inciples between SDOs: > > -intent should be declarative, using and depending on as few deploy= ment details as possible and focusing on what and not how > > -intent should provide an easy-to-use interface, and use terminolog= y and concepts familiar to its target audience > > -intent should be vendor-independent and portable across platforms > > -the intent framework should be able to detect and resolve conflict= s=20 > > between multiple intents > >=20 > > This document goal is to discuss and propose how to classify intents,= so that can be a good foundation for future discussion related to inten= t in IETF scope. > >=20 > > In the draft we've listed Intent Classification based on : > > -Solutions, Users and their Purpose > > -When to Activate > > -Lifecycle Management Requirements > > -Granularity > >=20 > > Slides we presented:=20 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-nmrg-se= s > > sb-intent-classification-00 > > =20 > > Your comments and contributions are welcome! > >=20 > > Regards, / =E8=87=B4=E7=A4=BC!=20 > > Will LIU / =E5=88=98=E6=A0=91=E6=88=90 > >=20 > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 8:41 PM > > To: Liushucheng (Will Liu) ; John Strassner=20 > > ; Olga Havel ;=20 > > Xuweiping (David) ; Ying Cheng=20 > > ; Liushucheng (Will Liu)=20 > > ; Chen Li > > Subject: New Version Notification for=20 > > draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt > >=20 > >=20 > > A new version of I-D, draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt > > has been successfully submitted by Will (Shucheng) Liu and posted to = the IETF repository. > >=20 > > Name: draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification > > Revision: 00 > > Title: Intent Classification > > Document date: 2019-04-22 > > Group: Individual Submission > > Pages: 13 > > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-nmrg-in= tent-classification-00.txt > > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-nmrg-intent= -classification/ > > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-nmrg-intent-clas= sification-00 > > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-nmrg-i= ntent-classification > >=20 > >=20 > > Abstract: > > RFC 7575 defines Intent as an abstract high-level policy used to > > operate the network. Intent management system includes an interfac= e > > for users to input requests and an engine to translate the intents > > into the network configuration and manage their lifecycle. Up to > > now, there is no commonly agreed definition, interface or model of > > intent. > >=20 > > This document discusses what intent means to different stakeholder= s, > > describes different ways to classify intent, and an associated > > taxonomy of this classification. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Please find below and at: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20= 190425 the minutes of our virtual meeting held on April 25th, 2019. Link to the slides presented is available in the logistics section of the m= inutes. Summary of main inputs and actions: 1. Discuss further the next steps for the work from Walter et al. on Int= ent-based Abstractions for Network Service Specification. 2. Use work from Marinos et al. on Towards a reference architecture for = intent based networks as basis for IBN reference architectural model docume= nt of the RG (as a white paper and/or an I-D). 3. Call for reviews on I-Ds: * draft-li-nmrg- intent-classification-00 https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification/ * draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-01 (-02 to be published soon) https:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent/ 4. Start documenting use cases / applications of IBN We will soon sent a doodle poll for the next meeting in May. Thanks to all the participants, to J=E9ferson for helping with the minutes,= and looking forward to the next virtual/physical meetings. Best regards, Laurent. --- NMRG Virtual Interim Meeting April 2019: 25-04-2019 4pm-6pm CEST Participants (11): * Laurent Ciavaglia (Nokia), Marinos Charalambides (UCL), Walter Cerro= ni (UoB), Amina Boubendir (Orange), Arthur Selle Jacobs (UFRGS), Egemen Cet= inkaya, Jeferson Nobre (UFRGS), J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois (INRIA), Will Liu (Hu= awei), Julien Maisonneuve (Nokia), Helen Chen (Jabil?) Logistics: * Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm86803140620ac03a9e79= 9f0954a77c5e * Etherpad: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-201900425 * Agenda and slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-= nmrg-03/session/nmrg Agenda: * ~05 min. - Introduction * ~45 min. - Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic =B7 Intent-based Abstractions for Network Service Specification, Wa= lter Cerroni =B7 Towards a reference architecture for intent based networks, Mar= inos Charalambides =B7 Clarifying the Concepts of Intent and Policy, Laurent Ciavaglia= (on behlaf of the I-D co-authors, slides prepared by Alex Clemm) =B7 Status, discussion, next steps, work plan update * ~10 min. - Status of the WG, next meetings, etc. Meeting notes: --- Introduction, Laurent --- Intent-based Abstractions for Network Service Specification, Walter Cerroni Q-WC: Can this approach can be considered as what and not how? Q-Egemen: for peformance aspects: specified or left to the orchestrator? Is= there an use case on low latency application and how to decide the decisio= n point to orchestrate? A-Walter: important question. currently not specificy performance. In the I= oT testbed, try to define QoS. Want to avoid going to the level of details = of vendor-specific parameters. Considering adding to the specs. Function of= the VIM to do the mapping.At the level of the Orchestrator: e2e view, shou= ld be able to specify quality levels for different domains. We been doing some extensions in order to try introduce policies (?), we wa= nt to instantiate a service considering threshold for latency, for example.= It should not be tech specific in order to achieve that. The service request by the orchestrator. If e2e should be 10ms, intermediate domain should not introduce,for example= , 5ms. Q-Marinos: delay constraint. to answer your question: more on the side of t= he goal than how to achieve it. See some functions missing, such as how to express constraint in the intent= expression. On the mapping from JSON to domain specific, is the mapping 1-1, is it scal= able? A-Walter: incremental approach. e.g. chain optimizer to select the best dom= ain based on performance wrt. the request. Marinos: constraints from the intent could be transfered to the e.g. chain = optimizer. Marinos: Some constraint from intent can be available choices in order to v= erify if the intent can be satisfied. Q-Laurent: current approach: examples, templates (e.g. similar to slice tem= plates), descriptors, bottom-up approach? Operators service deployment flow= ? Q-Laurent: is there templates or something that can be reused? Q-Laurent: where these NF-topological abstractions fit in the overall "mode= l"? descriptor of the (V/P)NFs and how decided by mapping/embedding functio= n at deployment/run-time? Laurent: There was several levels of abstractions, topological vs intent, t= here will be a need for continuum in order to reconcile such levels. How to= glue such abstractions? Using declarative approach? How to perform the ma= pping considering the differents perspectives? Q-Laurent: different levels of abstractions: e.g. NF-topological abstractio= n, ONOS intent... Q-Laurent (?) WC: We should try to map the subective point of experience, high level from= the user, considering the parameters that should be allowed to provide the= level of experience. Q-Laurent (?) about next steps about this work towards the RG WC: It is necessary a way to understand the things that can be applied to t= his approach, in different levels of specification. How to understand the v= ision to specify in the frameworks currently defined? Another perspective: = it is necessary a way to standardize service specification, there is no sta= ndard for that. --- Towards a reference architecture for intent based networks, Marinos Charala= mbides Note: share knowlege, common understanding. present past activity/work from= ANIMA (intent questions). from IM17-Keynote For the "reference IBN model": document the challenges and gaps, why/benefi= ts - overall and for the different functions. Q-Egemen: differentiate between intent and policy. 2nd Q: conflicts. A-Marinos: IBN =3D=3D infrastructure programmability. perfect coder, same w= ith intents: inconsistencies, multiple admins. unavoidable that conflict wi= ll come. how to identify conflicts is application domain specific, resoluti= on also domain specific solutions proposed. Programmable way to configure a network should look for inconsistency. Mult= iple admin can be able to specify intents. It is unavoidable that conflicts= come about, as in policy based management. How to solve such conflicts is = application specific. Some methods are priorities, algorithms to reconfigur= e constraints, etc. Q-Egemen: ex. of foo-units. if customers ask for more units than the system= can provide. A-Marinos: imortance of feedback, counter-offer. under current conditions, = can offer this or this. or prioritize based on revenue/other metrics Q-Laurent: descriptors: ontologies? functional and operational attributes Important to consider, work with Walter. Need to cover this challenge. Q-Walter: multi-operator/domain. business model A-Marinos: Q-Laurent: knowledge base? not fully understood the use. "recipes"? A-Marinos: can have differnt functions to realize parts of an intent, how d= o you choose? Q-Laurent: "big" orchestrator function/layer: to be further decomposed? Q-(?) How do you see the composition logic in the case that is distributed = over different domains? Q-Laurent: You prefer the approach of a logic centralized for the compositi= on? A-Marinos: The initiation domain should be in charge of this. Laurent: Domains can be a arbitrary group, different segments of a networks= . Intents can be under of responsability of different domains. Marinos: Intents shoud be exchanged, but it depends on how to break down th= e intent. Q-Laurent: You mention knowledge based not sure on how this could be applie= d. A-Marinos: This knowledge can be how the intent was used in previous ocasio= ns and how it performed. It could contribute for a more informed form of co= mposition. Q-Laurent: ? A- Marinos: Anything below the orchestrator belong to the intent. Q-Laurent: Next steps? A-Marinos: It would be good to have a reference architecture as a RG doc. = This could a draft or a white paper. Status on I-D Clarifying the Concepts of Intent and Policy, Presentation by= Laurent Q-Marinos: What sort of the inputs expected in the terminology? A-Laurent: Approaches, new areas and necessary concepts. Using a common way= to express. Definition are a broader way. Terminology as a working documen= t of the RG. In general, there is a need to define the important and underlying concepts= of IBN, and define precisely the terms. The terminology itself can be quite small and simple. Concepts definition m= ay require more time, more complex. Not put as pre-condition to have the terminology complete and definitive to= start other works on IBN in the RG. Q-Julien: Use case document? A-Laurent: To be discussed in the next meetings. Planned for instance as to= pic in the agenda for the interim meeting in June. Usefulness in finding commonalities in the use cases for the applications o= f IBN concepts, techniques, generalization. Try to avoid smallest common d= enominator in the use cases approaches (pitfall). Also lessons learned, feedback from experience/operation based on use cases= . A-Marinos: Show case of the concepts to be shown on such a system quite use= ful. Status, discussion, next steps, work plan update, presented by Laurent Next meetings list. Update to the IBN work plan. Good inputs received today, need also comments= and reviews on documents, and on the mailing list. Walter presented current discussion on organization of a f2f interim meetin= g tentatively in Bologna, in October. Bologna because team of walter active in this field. Want to position the meeting as "hands-on" and warm-up to futur RG IETF hac= kathon participation. Laurent: Discussion on how to present the future actions of the RG (wiki?),= social media... *** end of meeting *** --_000_HE1PR0701MB23802F8946B9A938A0EDB805F3390HE1PR0701MB2380_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all,

 

Please find below and at: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/= p/nmrg-virtual-20190425

the minutes of our virtual meeting held on April 25th= , 2019.

 

Link to the slides presented is available in the logistics= section of the minutes.

 

Summary of main inputs and actions:

 

  1. = Discuss further the next steps for the work from Walter et al. on Intent-ba= sed Abstractions for Network Service Specification.
  2. Use work from Marinos et al. on Towards a reference = architecture for intent based networks as basis for IBN reference architect= ural model document of the RG (as a white paper and/or an I-D).
  3. Call for reviews on I-Ds:
    1. = draft-li-nmrg- intent-classification-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr= aft-li-nmrg-intent-classification/
    2. draft-clemm-nmrg-= dist-intent-01 (-02 to be published soon) = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent/
  4. = Start documenting use cases / applications of IBN

    5.  

     

    We will soon sent a doodle poll for the next meeting in Ma= y.

     

    Thanks to all the participants, to J=E9ferson for helping = with the minutes, and looking forward to the next virtual/physical meetings= .

     

    Best regards, Laurent.

     

    ---

    NMRG Virtual Interim Meeting April 2019: 25-04-2019 4pm= -6pm CEST

     

    Participants (11): 

    •  Laurent Ciavaglia= (Nokia), Marinos Charalambides (UCL), Walter Cerroni (UoB), Amina Boubendi= r (Orange), Arthur Selle Jacobs (UFRGS), Egemen Cetinkaya, Jeferson Nobre (UFRGS), J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois (INRIA), Will Liu (Huawei), = Julien Maisonneuve (Nokia), Helen Chen (Jabil?)

     

     

    Logistics:

     

     

    Agenda:

    • ~05 min. – Introd= uction
    • ~45 min. – Status= progress on Intent Based Networking topic

    =B7         Intent-based Abstractions for Network Service Spec= ification, Walter Cerroni

    =B7         Towards a reference architecture for intent based = networks, Marinos Charalambides

    =B7         Clarifying the Concepts of Intent and Policy, Laur= ent Ciavaglia (on behlaf of the I-D co-authors, slides prepared by Alex Cle= mm)

    =B7         Status, discussion, next steps, work plan update

    • ~10 min. – Statu= s of the WG, next meetings, etc.

     

     

    Meeting notes:

    ---

    Introduction, Laurent

     

    ---

    Intent-based Abstractions for Network Service Specificatio= n, Walter Cerroni

    Q-WC: Can this approach can be considered as what and not = how?

     

    Q-Egemen: for peformance aspects: specified or left to the= orchestrator? Is there an use case on low latency application and how to d= ecide the decision point to orchestrate?

     

    A-Walter: important question. currently not specificy perf= ormance. In the IoT testbed, try to define QoS. Want to avoid going to the = level of details of vendor-specific parameters. Considering adding to the specs. Function of the VIM to do the mapping.At = the level of the Orchestrator: e2e view, should be able to specify quality = levels for different domains.

    We been doing some extensions in order to try introduce po= licies (?), we want to instantiate a service considering threshold for late= ncy, for example. It should not be tech specific in order to achieve that.

    The service request by the orchestrator. <= /span>

    If e2e should be 10ms, intermediate domain should not intr= oduce,for example, 5ms.

     

    Q-Marinos: delay constraint. to answer your question: more= on the side of the goal than how to achieve it.

    See some functions missing, such as how to express constra= int in the intent expression.

    On the mapping from JSON to domain specific, is the mappin= g 1-1, is it scalable?

    A-Walter: incremental approach. e.g. chain optimizer to se= lect the best domain based on performance wrt. the request.

    Marinos: constraints from the intent could be transfered t= o the e.g. chain optimizer.

    Marinos: Some constraint from intent can be available choi= ces in order to verify if the intent can be satisfied.

     

    Q-Laurent: current approach: examples, templates (e.g. sim= ilar to slice templates), descriptors, bottom-up approach? Operators servic= e deployment flow?

    Q-Laurent: is there templates or something that can be reu= sed?

     

    Q-Laurent: where these NF-topological abstractions fit in = the overall "model"? descriptor of the (V/P)NFs and how decided b= y mapping/embedding function at deployment/run-time?

    Laurent: There was several levels of abstractions, topolog= ical vs intent, there will be a need for continuum in order to reconcile su= ch levels. How to glue such abstractions? Using declarative approach?  How to perform the mapping considering the dif= ferents perspectives?

     

    Q-Laurent: different levels of abstractions: e.g. NF-topol= ogical abstraction, ONOS intent...

    Q-Laurent (?)

    WC: We should try to map the subective point of experience= , high level from the user, considering the parameters that should be allow= ed to provide the level of experience.

     

    Q-Laurent (?) about next steps about this work towards the= RG

    WC: It is necessary a way to understand the things that ca= n be applied to this approach, in different levels of specification. How to= understand the vision to specify in the frameworks currently defined? Another perspective: it is necessary a way to standardi= ze service specification, there is no standard for that.<= /p>

     

     

    ---

    Towards a reference architecture for intent based networks= , Marinos Charalambides

    Note: share knowlege, common understanding. present past a= ctivity/work from ANIMA (intent questions). from IM17-Keynote

     

    For the "reference IBN model": document the chal= lenges and gaps, why/benefits - overall and for the different 

    functions.

     

    Q-Egemen: differentiate between intent and policy. 2nd Q: = conflicts.

    A-Marinos: IBN =3D=3D infrastructure programmability. perf= ect coder, same with intents: inconsistencies, multiple admins. unavoidable= that conflict will come. how to identify conflicts is application domain specific, resolution also domain specific solutions = proposed.

    Programmable way to configure a network should look for in= consistency. Multiple admin can be able to specify intents. It is unavoidab= le that conflicts come about, as in policy based management. How to solve such conflicts is application specific. Some meth= ods are priorities, algorithms to reconfigure constraints, etc.<= /span>

     

    Q-Egemen: ex. of foo-units. if customers ask for more unit= s than the system can provide.

    A-Marinos: imortance of feedback, counter-offer. under cur= rent conditions, can offer this or this. or prioritize based on revenue/oth= er metrics

     

    Q-Laurent: descriptors: ontologies? functional and operati= onal attributes

    Important to consider, work with Walter. Need to cover thi= s challenge.

     

    Q-Walter: multi-operator/domain. business model=

    A-Marinos: 

     

    Q-Laurent: knowledge base? not fully understood the use. &= quot;recipes"?

    A-Marinos: can have differnt functions to realize parts of= an intent, how do you choose?

    Q-Laurent: "big" orchestrator function/layer: to= be further decomposed?

     

    Q-(?) How do you see the composition logic in the case tha= t is distributed over different domains?

     

     

    Q-Laurent: You prefer the approach of a logic centralized = for the composition?

    A-Marinos: The initiation domain should be in charge of th= is.

    Laurent: Domains can be a arbitrary group, different segme= nts of a networks. Intents can be under of responsability of different doma= ins.

    Marinos: Intents shoud be exchanged, but it depends on how= to break down the intent.

     

    Q-Laurent: You mention knowledge based not sure on how thi= s could be applied.

    A-Marinos: This knowledge can be how the intent was used i= n previous ocasions and how it performed. It could contribute for a more in= formed form of composition.

     

    Q-Laurent: ?

    A- Marinos: Anything below the orchestrator belong to the = intent.

     

    Q-Laurent: Next steps? 

    A-Marinos:  It would be good to have a reference arch= itecture as a RG doc. This could a draft or a white paper.

     

     

    Status on I-D Clarifying the Concepts of Intent and Policy= , Presentation by Laurent

     

    Q-Marinos: What sort of the inputs expected in the termino= logy?

    A-Laurent: Approaches, new areas and necessary concepts. U= sing a common way to express. Definition are a broader way. Terminology as = a working document of the RG.

    In general, there is a need to define the important and un= derlying concepts of IBN, and define precisely the terms.=

    The terminology itself can be quite small and simple. Conc= epts definition may require more time, more complex.

    Not put as pre-condition to have the terminology complete = and definitive to start other works on IBN in the RG.

     

    Q-Julien: Use case document?

    A-Laurent: To be discussed in the next meetings. Planned f= or instance as topic in the agenda for the interim meeting in June.

    Usefulness in finding commonalities in the use cases for t= he applications of IBN  concepts, techniques, generalization. Try to a= void smallest common denominator in the use cases approaches (pitfall).

    Also lessons learned, feedback from experience/operation b= ased on use cases.

    A-Marinos: Show case of the concepts to be shown on such a= system quite useful.

     

    Status, discussion, next steps, work plan update, presente= d by Laurent

    Next meetings list.

    Update to the IBN work plan. Good inputs received today, n= eed also comments and reviews on documents, and on the mailing list.

     

    Walter presented current discussion on organization of a f= 2f interim meeting tentatively in Bologna, in October.

    Bologna because team of walter active in this field.<= /o:p>

    Want to position the meeting as "hands-on" and w= arm-up to futur RG IETF hackathon participation.

    Laurent: Discussion on how to present the future actions o= f the RG (wiki?), social media...

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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