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From: "Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>
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A new interim meeting request has just been submitted by Laurent Ciavaglia.

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Research Group Name: Network Management
Session Requester: Laurent Ciavaglia

City: Silicon Valley,  Exact location TBC.
Country: US


Session 1:

Date: 2019-06-13
Start Time: 09:30 America/Los_Angeles
Duration: 08:00
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Session 2:

Date: 2019-06-14
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The Network Management (nmrg) Research Group will hold
a multi-day interim meeting.

Session 1:
2019-06-13     09:30 to 17:30  America/Los_Angeles
Session 2:
2019-06-14     09:30 to 13:30  America/Los_Angeles

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Silicon Valley,  Exact location TBC., US

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The meeting will focus on Intent Based Networking.
The meeting will explore aspects such as zero-touch, automation, intelligence; and continue progress on the current work items.
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Hello,

This is the poll for the next NMRG Virtual Meeting in May 2019.

Duration: 2 hours
Location: NMRG Webex
Date: please fill in the doodle: https://doodle.com/poll/ft7w2zni8npb2bht

Please reply to the doodle poll by Friday, May 10th 2019.

Thank you, best regards, Laurent.

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Hi,

I appreciate this document as background for what is otherwise quite a co=
nfusing discussion.

There is one statement that gives me a bit of difficulty, however:

>    Management personnel, such as network Administrators, have complete
>    knowledge of the underlying network.  However, they may not
>    understand the details of the applications and services of Customers=

>    and End-Users.

The second sentence is certainly true. However, especially if autonomic n=
etworking is a success, I am not sure about the first sentence. As networ=
ks get more and more complex, and especially when virtual networks or sli=
ces are created dynamically and automatically, the administrators will *n=
ot* have complete knowledge of the underlying network. In fact, the inten=
t itself may be the reason for this: the network is configured as a resul=
t of the intent, and the human administrators will then be unaware of the=
 details. (They are presumably aware of the physical structure of the net=
work, and the devices installed, but that is only part of the story.)

Regards
   Brian Carpenter

On 24-Apr-19 14:23, Liushucheng (Will Liu) wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> I just did some small modifications and submit this draft as -nmrg, whi=
ch replaced the old draft-li version.
>=20
> As we presented during last NMRG meeting, there are several shared prin=
ciples between SDOs:
>   -intent should be declarative, using and depending on as few deployme=
nt details as possible and focusing on what and not how
>   -intent should provide an easy-to-use interface, and use terminology =
and concepts familiar to its target audience
>   -intent should be vendor-independent and portable across platforms
>   -the intent framework should be able to detect and resolve conflicts =
between multiple intents
>=20
> This document goal is to discuss and propose how to classify intents, s=
o that  can be a good foundation for future discussion related to intent =
in IETF scope.
>=20
> In the draft we've listed Intent Classification based on :
> -Solutions, Users and their Purpose
> -When to Activate
> -Lifecycle Management Requirements
> -Granularity
>=20
> Slides we presented:=20
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-nmrg-sess=
b-intent-classification-00
>                                 =20
> Your comments and contributions are welcome!
>=20
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>=20
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> To: Liushucheng (Will Liu) <liushucheng@huawei.com>; John Strassner <Jo=
hn.sc.Strassner@huawei.com>; Olga Havel <olga.havel@huawei.com>; Xuweipin=
g (David) <xuweiping@huawei.com>; Ying Cheng <chengying10@chinaunicom.cn>=
; Liushucheng (Will Liu) <liushucheng@huawei.com>; Chen Li <lichen.bri@ch=
inatelecom.cn>
> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classificati=
on-00.txt
>=20
>=20
> A new version of I-D, draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt
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e IETF repository.
>=20
> Name:		draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification
> Revision:	00
> Title:		Intent Classification
> Document date:	2019-04-22
> Group:		Individual Submission
> Pages:		13
> URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-nmrg-inte=
nt-classification-00.txt
> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-nmrg-intent-c=
lassification/
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ent-classification
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>=20
> Abstract:
>    RFC 7575 defines Intent as an abstract high-level policy used to
>    operate the network. Intent management system includes an interface
>    for users to input requests and an engine to translate the intents
>    into the network configuration and manage their lifecycle. Up to
>    now, there is no commonly agreed definition, interface or model of
>    intent.
>=20
>    This document discusses what intent means to different stakeholders,=

>    describes different ways to classify intent, and an associated
>    taxonomy of this classification. This is a foundation for discussion=

>    intent related topics.
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Dear NMRG,

In order to plan the various possible NMRG meetings at IETF 105, we would l=
ike to get your inputs on the following options, ideally before Wednesday, =
May 22nd 2019, AoE:

- Topics for discussion during the IETF 105 meeting ("regular" NMRG session=
(s))
  We plan to allocate time for discussion on intent based networking and th=
e research group re-chartering.
  We could have time for other topics based on expressed needs, such as fol=
low-up on the AI for Network Management discussion in IETF 104/Prague/March=
 2019. Presentations on other topics are also welcome.


- Use of unstructured time to progress on work of the NMRG ("informal" NMRG=
 session(s). outcome could eventually be reported in the regular session if=
 timing allows)
  IETF 105 schedule will allow for unstructured time during mornings and ev=
enings of the IETF week.
  To maximize the efficiency of such unstructured time, we advise to organi=
ze in advance and call for specific items to be discussed and inform partic=
ipants accordingly.


- Side meeting in the form of a dedicated workshop/meeting as done at IETF =
102/Montreal/July 2018 ("interim" NMRG meeting).
  Last year we've organized a 1-day workshop on intent based networking tog=
ether with the ETS Montreal, on the Friday.
  We could repeat a similar experiment based on expressed needs.
  The topic could be again intent based networking or another one.
  We can try to accommodate another day to the extent possible. However it =
seems Friday would again be the best option wrt. to other planning constrai=
nt of the week.


Please note that Applied Networking Research Workshop (ANRW) will be taking=
 place on the Monday of IETF 105, and no other IRTF sessions will be schedu=
led on that day.

Thank you, best regards,
Laurent.


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">In order to plan the various possible NMRG meetings at IET=
F 105, we would like to get your inputs on the following options, ideally b=
efore Wednesday, May 22<sup>nd</sup> 2019, AoE:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">- Topics for discussion during the IETF 105 meeting (&q=
uot;regular&quot; NMRG session(s))<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp; We plan to allocate time for discussion on intent b=
ased networking and the research group re-chartering.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp; We could have time for other topics based on expres=
sed needs, such as follow-up on the AI for Network Management discussion in=
 IETF 104/Prague/March 2019. Presentations on other
 topics are also welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">- Use of unstructured time to progress on work of the N=
MRG (&quot;informal&quot; NMRG session(s). outcome could eventually be repo=
rted in the regular session if timing allows)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp; IETF 105 schedule will allow for unstructured time =
during mornings and evenings of the IETF week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp; To maximize the efficiency of such unstructured tim=
e, we advise to organize in advance and call for specific items to be discu=
ssed and inform participants accordingly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">- Side meeting in the form of a dedicated workshop/meet=
ing as done at IETF 102/Montreal/July 2018 (&quot;interim&quot; NMRG meetin=
g).<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp; Last year we've organized a 1-day workshop on inten=
t based networking together with the ETS Montreal, on the Friday.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp; We could repeat a similar experiment based on expre=
ssed needs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp; The topic could be again intent based networking or=
 another one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp; We can try to accommodate another day to the extent=
 possible. However it seems Friday would again be the best option wrt. to o=
ther planning constraint of the week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">Please note that Applied Networking Research Workshop (=
ANRW) will be taking place on the Monday of IETF 105, and no other IRTF ses=
sions will be scheduled on that day.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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Dear NMRG,

I=E2=80=99m pleased to announce that J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois has =
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Please join me in welcoming J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me - and thank you to all the =
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On 08-May-19 21:46, Liushucheng (Will Liu) wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>=20
> Thanks for your comments. I agree that the first sentence is not accura=
te and the rest of your comments.=20
>=20
> The main role of the first sentence is to lead to the second one. :)
> We will modify it in next version to: Management personnel, such as net=
work administrators, may have the knowledge of the underlying network. =20
> Is that OK?

Yes, I think so. I hope we can soon have some concrete examples of intent=
, because for a long time the discussion has been very abstract.

Regards
    Brian

>=20
> Regards, / =E8=87=B4=E7=A4=BC!=20
> Will LIU  / =E5=88=98=E6=A0=91=E6=88=90
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com]=20
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 12:03 PM
> To: Liushucheng (Will Liu) <liushucheng@huawei.com>; nmrg@irtf.org
> Cc: draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft-li-nmrg-inte=
nt-classification-00.txt
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I appreciate this document as background for what is otherwise quite a =
confusing discussion.
>=20
> There is one statement that gives me a bit of difficulty, however:
>=20
>>    Management personnel, such as network Administrators, have complete=

>>    knowledge of the underlying network.  However, they may not
>>    understand the details of the applications and services of Customer=
s
>>    and End-Users.
>=20
> The second sentence is certainly true. However, especially if autonomic=
 networking is a success, I am not sure about the first sentence. As netw=
orks get more and more complex, and especially when virtual networks or s=
lices are created dynamically and automatically, the administrators will =
*not* have complete knowledge of the underlying network. In fact, the int=
ent itself may be the reason for this: the network is configured as a res=
ult of the intent, and the human administrators will then be unaware of t=
he details. (They are presumably aware of the physical structure of the n=
etwork, and the devices installed, but that is only part of the story.)
>=20
> Regards
>    Brian Carpenter
>=20
> On 24-Apr-19 14:23, Liushucheng (Will Liu) wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just did some small modifications and submit this draft as -nmrg, wh=
ich replaced the old draft-li version.
>>
>> As we presented during last NMRG meeting, there are several shared pri=
nciples between SDOs:
>>   -intent should be declarative, using and depending on as few deploym=
ent details as possible and focusing on what and not how
>>   -intent should provide an easy-to-use interface, and use terminology=
 and concepts familiar to its target audience
>>   -intent should be vendor-independent and portable across platforms
>>   -the intent framework should be able to detect and resolve conflicts=
 between multiple intents
>>
>> This document goal is to discuss and propose how to classify intents, =
so that  can be a good foundation for future discussion related to intent=
 in IETF scope.
>>
>> In the draft we've listed Intent Classification based on :
>> -Solutions, Users and their Purpose
>> -When to Activate
>> -Lifecycle Management Requirements
>> -Granularity
>>
>> Slides we presented:=20
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-nmrg-ses=
sb-intent-classification-00
>>                                 =20
>> Your comments and contributions are welcome!
>>
>> Regards, / =E8=87=B4=E7=A4=BC!=20
>> Will LIU  / =E5=88=98=E6=A0=91=E6=88=90
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 8:41 PM
>> To: Liushucheng (Will Liu) <liushucheng@huawei.com>; John Strassner <J=
ohn.sc.Strassner@huawei.com>; Olga Havel <olga.havel@huawei.com>; Xuweipi=
ng (David) <xuweiping@huawei.com>; Ying Cheng <chengying10@chinaunicom.cn=
>; Liushucheng (Will Liu) <liushucheng@huawei.com>; Chen Li <lichen.bri@c=
hinatelecom.cn>
>> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classificat=
ion-00.txt
>>
>>
>> A new version of I-D, draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt
>> has been successfully submitted by Will (Shucheng) Liu and posted to t=
he IETF repository.
>>
>> Name:		draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification
>> Revision:	00
>> Title:		Intent Classification
>> Document date:	2019-04-22
>> Group:		Individual Submission
>> Pages:		13
>> URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-nmrg-int=
ent-classification-00.txt
>> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-nmrg-intent-=
classification/
>> Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-nmrg-intent-class=
ification-00
>> Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-nmrg-in=
tent-classification
>>
>>
>> Abstract:
>>    RFC 7575 defines Intent as an abstract high-level policy used to
>>    operate the network. Intent management system includes an interface=

>>    for users to input requests and an engine to translate the intents
>>    into the network configuration and manage their lifecycle. Up to
>>    now, there is no commonly agreed definition, interface or model of
>>    intent.
>>
>>    This document discusses what intent means to different stakeholders=
,
>>    describes different ways to classify intent, and an associated
>>    taxonomy of this classification. This is a foundation for discussio=
n
>>    intent related topics.
>>
>>                                                                       =
           =20
>>
>>
>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of subm=
ission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.or=
g.
>>
>> The IETF Secretariat
>>
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>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg
>>
>=20


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Dear all,

Thursday 23-05-2019 17:00-19-00 CEST is the slot with most votes.

Logistics:
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* Etherpad: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523<https:/=
/etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190425>


Agenda:
Please submit your agenda item proposals by Monday, May 20th AoE, by sendin=
g a message to the NMRG chairs.
We will see what needs to be discussed and the priorities.

Current Agenda:
      . Short introduction of new co-chair: J=E9r=F4me.
      . Status of the WG, next meetings, etc.
      . Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic
      . Other topics?
      . Network AI Challenge project
            - Interest expressed from Vishnu Ram (ITU-T ML5G FG)
            - Draft framework
. Modus Operandi for virtual meetings
     - What is working well and not
            - Dedicated meeting per topic? Alternate meetings per time zone
            - Input: more proactive, only presentations or something more/d=
ifferent
- Output: minutes and actions, need more?
            - How to follow-up between meetings? I-D updates, central place=
 for work plan, progress and issue tracking, back-end / front-end


Updates and materials will be provided prior to the meeting.
Thanks, best regards, Laurent.
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urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">* Etherpad:
<a href=3D"https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190425">https:/=
/etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Agenda:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:red">Please submit your agenda item proposal=
s by Monday, May 20<sup>th</sup> AoE, by sending a message to the NMRG chai=
rs.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">We will see what needs to be discussed=
 and the priorities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Current Agenda:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Short=
 introduction of new co-chair: J=E9r=F4me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Statu=
s of the WG, next meetings, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Statu=
s progress on Intent Based Networking topic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Other=
 topics?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Netwo=
rk AI Challenge project<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Interest expressed from Vishnu Ram (ITU-T ML=
5G FG)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Draft framework<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:.5in"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">. Modus Ope=
randi for virtual meetings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:.5in"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; - What is working well and not<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Dedicated meeting per topic? Alternate meetings p=
er time zone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Input: more proactive, only presentations or some=
thing more/different<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-indent:.5in"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F=
497D">- Output: minutes and actions, need more?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - How to follow-up between meetings? I-D updates, c=
entral place for work plan, progress and issue tracking, back-end / front-e=
nd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Updates and materials will be provided=
 prior to the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks, best regards, Laurent.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
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urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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olor:#1F497D;display:none"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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olor:#1F497D;display:none"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,seri=
f;color:#1F497D">NMRG Virtual Meeting April 2019</span></b><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D">Thursday 23 May 2019
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D">17:00&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;Europe Summer Time (Paris, GMT&=
#43;02:00)&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;2 hrs
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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olor:#1F497D;display:none"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D">Meeting number (access code): 641 780 578
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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olor:#1F497D;display:none"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
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Dear NMRG,

The minutes of NMRG51 / IETF103 meeting will soon be available at: https://=
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You can find them attached.

Comments or addition/correction are welcome.

Thanks to Daniel, Will, Juergen and ? (unknown) for the notes and relaying =
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Best regards, Laurent.


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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able at:
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/minutes-104-n=
mrg-00">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/minutes-104-nmrg-00</a><=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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tes and relaying on Meetecho.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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The Network Management (nmrg) Research Group will hold
a virtual interim meeting on 2019-05-23 from 17:00 to 19:00 Europe/Paris.

Agenda:
Please submit your agenda item proposals by Monday, May 20th AoE, by sending a message to the NMRG chairs.
We will see what needs to be discussed and the priorities.

Current Agenda:
      . Short introduction of new co-chair: Jérôme.
      . Status of the WG, next meetings, etc.
      . Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic
      . Other topics?
      . Network AI Challenge project
            - Interest expressed from Vishnu Ram (ITU-T ML5G FG)
            - Draft framework
. Modus Operandi for virtual meetings
     - What is working well and not
            - Dedicated meeting per topic? Alternate meetings per time zone
            - Input: more proactive, only presentations or something more/different
- Output: minutes and actions, need more?
            - How to follow-up between meetings? I-D updates, central place for work plan, progress and issue tracking, back-end / front-end

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CALL FOR PAPERS - ICIN 2020
23rd Conference on Innovation in Clouds, Internet and Networks

"Beyond 5G: building network sense"

February 24-27, 2020 - Paris, France

https://www.icin-conference.org

The best papers presented at the conference will be invited to submit an extended
version for fast-track review in the following journals:
     - IEEE Communications Magazine (Impact Factor: 9.270)
     - IEEE Transactions on Network Service and Management (Impact Factor: 3.286)
     - MDPI Sensors (Impact Factor: 2.475)

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IMPORTANT DATES

Paper Submission: October 4th, 2019
Paper Acceptance Notification: December 2nd, 2019
Camera-Ready Papers: January 13th, 2020

LINK TO SUBMISSION PAGE

https://edas.info/N26190

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The ICIN conference, established in 1989 and praised for the high quality of its
technical program and richness of its social networking, is also recognized for
its continuous adaptation to emerging technical trends.

The year 2020 will be a keystone in the evolution toward the networks of the
future, with the first commercial deployments of large-scale 5G infrastructures,
the increasing interest in network intelligence and machine learning techniques
applied to network management and orchestration, the progress of precision
networking technologies toward low-latency services, and the end of the Horizon
2020 research framework program in Europe superseded by the next Horizon Europe.

In this scenario and considering the many challenges that the aforementioned
paradigms and technologies will bring, ICIN 2020 will focus on:

“Beyond 5G: building network sense”

The conference will foster new ideas and novel approaches to future service
delivery in a smart network environment, able to show what could be qualified as
sense, “a sane and realistic attitude to situations and problems”, according to
Oxford Dictionary. With this vision, the conference will look beyond the current
state of the art and promote the advances of network management and orchestration
technologies.

ICIN 2020 aims at providing an international forum for researchers and
practitioners from academia, industry, network operators, and service providers
to discuss and address the challenges posed by innovation in clouds, Internet and
networks. Interested authors are invited to submit papers presenting novel
technical studies as well as broader position and visionary papers. Contributions
that discuss lessons learnt and best practices, describe practical deployment and
implementation experiences, and demonstrate innovative use-cases are especially
encouraged.

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ICIN 2020 solicits original, unpublished work not currently under review by other
conferences or journals. Papers submitted to ICIN 2020 will be assessed based on
originality, technical soundness, clarity and interest to a wide audience. All
submissions must be written in English and must use standard IEEE two-column
conference template, available for download from the IEEE website:

https://www.ieee.org/conferences/publishing/templates.html

Only PDF files will be accepted for the review process and all submissions must
be done electronically through EDAS using the following link:

https://edas.info/N26190

Technical papers can be of two types: full papers or short papers, up to 8 pages
and 5 pages respectively, including tables, figures and references. Demo papers
of length of 3 pages are also solicited.

At least one author is required to register, at the full rate, to present
accepted papers at the conference and for the paper to appear in the conference
proceedings.

The best technical papers presented at the conference will be invited to submit
an extended version for fast-track review in the following journals:
     - IEEE Transactions on Network Service and Management (Impact Factor: 3.286)
     - MDPI Sensors (Impact Factor: 2.475)
Extended versions of ICIN 2020 papers must include at least 30% of new material
(algorithms, results, related work) compared to the conference version.
Particularly innovative and visionary papers will be invited to submit a
tutorial-style, magazine version for fast-track review in:
     - IEEE Communications Magazine (Impact Factor: 9.270)

Areas of interest and topics include, but are not limited to:

- Cloud and networking aspects of IoT, 5G, and beyond
     * Vertical industries and digital twins
     * Automotive and vehicular networking, including vehicular cloud services
     * Tactile Internet and precision networking
     * Protocols for ultra-low latency and ultra-high reliability
     * Fog, edge and multi-access computing and networking
     * Security, trust and privacy, especially applied to IoT and 5G networks
- Enablers and services for 5G networks: from experiments to reality and beyond
     * 5G network architecture, services, protocols, and use cases
     * Service-Based Architecture (SBA) design applied to the control plane,
       data plane and management plane
     * 5G functional decomposition and composition
     * Advanced 5G infrastructure slicing
     * Scalability and multi-tenancy in 5G networks and 5G network slicing
- Network automation and orchestration architectures and protocols
     * Intent-based network management and cloud resource orchestration
     * Network programmability architectures and systems
     * Orchestration of distributed cloud and network resources in vertical markets
     * Network artificial intelligence, machine learning and reasoning
     * Network data analytics, anomaly detection, and feature extraction
     * Autonomic and cognitive networking
     * Societal and legal aspects of network automation
- Technologies for innovation in clouds, Internet and networks
     * Software Defined Networking (SDN)
     * Network Function Virtualization (NFV)
     * Service function chaining, function placement and network embedding
     * Big data and fast data processing and management
     * Use of Distributed Ledger Technologies in networking and network services
     * CDN architectures and network cache allocation schemes
     * Advanced multimedia and real-time communications, QoS/QoE design
     * Lightweight virtualization technologies, software and hardware acceleration
     * Performance, optimization and resource dimensioning
     * Energy-efficient software-defined infrastructures
     * Measurement, monitoring and telemetry
     * Testbeds, open-source projects and open standards

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General Co-Chairs
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Bruno Chatras (Orange, France)
Diego Lopez (Telefónica, Spain)


Technical Program Committee Co-Chairs
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Shingo Ata (Osaka City University, Japan)
Walter Cerroni (University of Bologna, Italy)


Keynotes and Panels Co-Chairs
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Alex Galis (University College London, UK)
Dirk Kutscher (University of Applied Sciences Emden/Leer, Germany)


Workshops Co-Chairs
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Eduard Grasa (i2CAT Foundation, Spain)
Eduardo Jacob (University of the Basque Country, Spain)


Tutorials Co-Chairs
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Barbara Martini (CNIT, Italy)
Rogier Noldus (Ericsson, The Netherlands)


Demo Co-Chairs
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Bessem Sayadi (Nokia, France)
Pierre Lynch (Keysight, Canada)


Publication Chair
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Piotr Borylo (AGH, Poland)


Publicity Co-Chairs
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Lei Shu (Nanjing Agricultural University, China)
Xiaodi Huang (Charles Sturt University, Australia)
Jérôme François (INRIA, France)


Patrons Chair
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Jeremie Leguay (Huawei, France)


Finance Chair
---------------------------
Guy Pujolle (DNAC, France)


International Steering Committee Chair
---------------------------
Noel Crespi (IMT, France)


Overall Arrangements
---------------------------
Aziza Lounis (DNAC, France)


Web Chair
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Elia Kallas (DNAC, France)



We are looking forward to your submission to ICIN 2020

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For further information, see https://www.icin-conference.org
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*1^st International Workshop on Enabling Cyber Security for Small Medium 
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Paper Submission deadline:   15/06/2019
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Cybersecurity incidents cause major economic damage to European 
businesses and the economy at large. Such incidents undermine the trust 
of citizens and enterprises in the digital society.  From a small 
business perspective, damages paid due to customer data being 
compromised, along with the corresponding impact on the firm reputation, 
can be a significant cause of economic loss for businesses after a cyber 
incident. Moreover, Sixty Percent of SMEs that fell victims of 
cyber-attacks did not recover and, consequently, were shut down within 6 
months. Some estimates put the cost of cyber-crime to the global economy 
at more than $445bn and more than 150,000 jobs, but the true cost is far 
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SEC4SME <https://www.pasiphae.eu/sec4sme2019/>workshop aims to 
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    Cybersecurity for small and medium-sized enterprises
Social Engineering, Attack Patterns, Secure Software Defined Networking, 
IDS/IPS Logging and auditing mechanisms
    Secure and Trusted Paradigm for Interoperable eHealth Services
Secure Cross border Health Data exchange, Security Information and Event 
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    Secure Multi-cloud Services Development, Orchestration, Deployment 
and Continuous Management
Cloud Automation, Cloud Native Platforms, Monitoring, CI/CD
    Securing IoT Ecosystems
IoT devices interoperability, IoT Data Exchange,
Secure Lightweight Communications, Container based secure services
    Edge-Centric Cybersecurity
Centralized or De-Centralized architecture, FPGA, PCP
    Cloud Native Security
Tools, Standards, Frameworks, Solutions
Automation Platforms

The accepted papers of SEC4SME2019 will be published in IEEEXPLORE, thus 
they must be formatted according to the author guidelines of CAMAD2019.
Important Dates
Submission: 15/06/2019
Notification: 15/07/2019
Camera-ready: 31/07/2019
Edas Link: https://edas.info/newPaper.php?c=26104&track=96673

More info: https://www.pasiphae.eu/sec4sme2019/

General Co-Chairs
Evangelos Markakis, Hellenic Mediterranean University, Greece
Dimitrios Tzovaras, Certh,, Greece
Konstantinos Votis, Certh,ITI, Greece
Jose Fran. Ruiz, Atos, Spain
Sotiris Diamantopoulos, Exus, UK
Sotiris Ioannidis, Forth, Greece
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    <div style="text-align:center"><span
        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Paper Submission
        deadline:   15/06/2019</span><br>
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    <div style="text-align:center"><font face="arial, helvetica,
        sans-serif">===========================================================================================</font></div>
    <p>Cybersecurity incidents cause major economic damage to European
      businesses and the economy at large. Such incidents undermine the
      trust of citizens and enterprises in the digital society.  From a
      small business perspective, damages paid due to customer data
      being compromised, along with the corresponding impact on the firm
      reputation, can be a significant cause of economic loss for
      businesses after a cyber incident. Moreover, Sixty Percent of SMEs
      that fell victims of cyber-attacks did not recover and,
      consequently, were shut down within 6 months. Some estimates put
      the cost of cyber-crime to the global economy at more than $445bn
      and more than 150,000 jobs, but the true cost is far greater as
      many countries do not report on this.<br>
    </p>
    <p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="https://www.pasiphae.eu/sec4sme2019/">SEC4SME </a>workshop
      aims to complement IEEE CAMAD 2019 by focusing on the Challenges
      identified for SME security and collecting contributions from both
      Industry and academia. The main idea is to present the specific
      objective needed for achieving high Security in SME environment<br>
    </p>
    <p>We are particularly interested in (but not limited to) areas such
      as:<br>
          Cybersecurity for small and medium-sized enterprises <br>
      Social Engineering, Attack Patterns, Secure Software Defined
      Networking, IDS/IPS Logging and auditing mechanisms<br>
          Secure and Trusted Paradigm for Interoperable eHealth
      Services <br>
      Secure Cross border Health Data exchange, Security Information and
      Event Management<br>
          Secure Multi-cloud Services Development, Orchestration,
      Deployment and Continuous Management<br>
      Cloud Automation, Cloud Native Platforms, Monitoring, CI/CD<br>
          Securing IoT Ecosystems<br>
      IoT devices interoperability, IoT Data Exchange,<br>
      Secure Lightweight Communications, Container based secure services<br>
          Edge-Centric Cybersecurity<br>
      Centralized or De-Centralized architecture, FPGA, PCP<br>
          Cloud Native Security<br>
      Tools, Standards, Frameworks, Solutions<br>
      Automation Platforms</p>
    <p>The accepted papers of SEC4SME2019 will be published in
      IEEEXPLORE, thus they must be formatted according to the author
      guidelines of CAMAD2019. <br>
      Important Dates <br>
      Submission: 15/06/2019 <br>
      Notification: 15/07/2019 <br>
      Camera-ready: 31/07/2019<br>
      Edas Link: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="https://edas.info/newPaper.php?c=26104&amp;track=96673"
        moz-do-not-send="true">https://edas.info/newPaper.php?c=26104&amp;track=96673</a></p>
    <p>More info: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="https://www.pasiphae.eu/sec4sme2019/"
        moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pasiphae.eu/sec4sme2019/</a><br>
    </p>
    <p>General Co-Chairs <br>
      Evangelos Markakis, Hellenic Mediterranean University, Greece<br>
      Dimitrios Tzovaras, Certh,, Greece<br>
      Konstantinos Votis, Certh,ITI, Greece<br>
      Jose Fran. Ruiz, Atos, Spain<br>
      Sotiris Diamantopoulos, Exus, UK<br>
      Sotiris Ioannidis, Forth, Greece<br>
      Jorge Bernal Bernabe, University of Murcia, Spain<br>
      Manos Papoutsakis, FORTH, Greece </p>
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Hello,

As a contributor, I would like to present on some IBN challenges and resear=
ch ideas, ~15 min.

Best regards, Laurent.


From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 15:49
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: NMRG Virtual Meeting May 2019: Thursday 23-05-2019 17:00-19:00 CET

Dear all,

Thursday 23-05-2019 17:00-19-00 CEST is the slot with most votes.

Logistics:
* Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm3749c133247f0efd65013379=
5d261af1 + see details at the bottom of the message.
* Etherpad: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523<https:/=
/etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190425>


Agenda:
Please submit your agenda item proposals by Monday, May 20th AoE, by sendin=
g a message to the NMRG chairs.
We will see what needs to be discussed and the priorities.

Current Agenda:
      . Short introduction of new co-chair: J=E9r=F4me.
      . Status of the WG, next meetings, etc.
      . Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic
      . Other topics?
      . Network AI Challenge project
            - Interest expressed from Vishnu Ram (ITU-T ML5G FG)
            - Draft framework
. Modus Operandi for virtual meetings
     - What is working well and not
            - Dedicated meeting per topic? Alternate meetings per time zone
            - Input: more proactive, only presentations or something more/d=
ifferent
- Output: minutes and actions, need more?
            - How to follow-up between meetings? I-D updates, central place=
 for work plan, progress and issue tracking, back-end / front-end


Updates and materials will be provided prior to the meeting.
Thanks, best regards, Laurent.
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NMRG Virtual Meeting April 2019
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Sa=
clay) <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 13, 2019 15:49<br>
<b>To:</b> nmrg@irtf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> nmrg-chairs@irtf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> NMRG Virtual Meeting May 2019: Thursday 23-05-2019 17:00-19=
:00 CET<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Thursday 23-05-2019 17:00-19-00 CEST i=
s the slot with most votes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Logistics:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">* Webex:
<a href=3D"https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm3749c133247f0efd650133=
795d261af1">
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm3749c133247f0efd650133795d261af1<=
/a> &#43; see details at the bottom of the message.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">* Etherpad:
<a href=3D"https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190425">https:/=
/etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:red">Please submit your agenda item proposal=
s by Monday, May 20<sup>th</sup> AoE, by sending a message to the NMRG chai=
rs.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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 and the priorities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Current Agenda:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Short=
 introduction of new co-chair: J=E9r=F4me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Statu=
s of the WG, next meetings, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Statu=
s progress on Intent Based Networking topic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Other=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Netwo=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Interest expressed from Vishnu Ram (ITU-T ML=
5G FG)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:.5in"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">. Modus Ope=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - How to follow-up between meetings? I-D updates, c=
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nd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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 prior to the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks, best regards, Laurent.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> nmrg@irtf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [nmrg] NMRG activities at IETF 105 / Montreal / July 2019<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Dear NMRG,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
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p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">In order to plan the various possible NMRG =
meetings at IETF 105, we would like to get your inputs on the following opt=
ions, ideally before Wednesday, May 22<sup>nd</sup>
 2019, AoE:</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">- Topics for discussion during the IETF =
105 meeting (&quot;regular&quot; NMRG session(s))</span></b><span lang=3D"E=
N-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; We plan to allocate time for discuss=
ion on intent based networking and the research group re-chartering.</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; We could have time for other topics =
based on expressed needs, such as follow-up on the AI for Network Managemen=
t discussion in IETF 104/Prague/March 2019. Presentations
 on other topics are also welcome.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">- Use of unstructured time to progress o=
n work of the NMRG (&quot;informal&quot; NMRG session(s). outcome could eve=
ntually be reported in the regular session if timing allows)</span></b><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; IETF 105 schedule will allow for uns=
tructured time during mornings and evenings of the IETF week.</span><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; To maximize the efficiency of such u=
nstructured time, we advise to organize in advance and call for specific it=
ems to be discussed and inform participants accordingly.</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">- Side meeting in the form of a dedicate=
d workshop/meeting as done at IETF 102/Montreal/July 2018 (&quot;interim&qu=
ot; NMRG meeting).</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; Last year we've organized a 1-day wo=
rkshop on intent based networking together with the ETS Montreal, on the Fr=
iday.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; We could repeat a similar experiment=
 based on expressed needs.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; The topic could be again intent base=
d networking or another one.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; We can try to accommodate another da=
y to the extent possible. However it seems Friday would again be the best o=
ption wrt. to other planning constraint of the week.</span><span lang=3D"EN=
-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt=
;color:#1F497D">[Will] From the Montreal IETF agenda, it seems Thursday aft=
ernoon will be free. So, maybe another a good choice.</span></i></b><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">
 &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideog=
raph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards, /
</span><span style=3D"font-family:SimSun;color:#1F497D">=D6=C2=C0=F1</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideog=
raph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Will LIU &nbsp;/
</span><span style=3D"font-family:SimSun;color:#1F497D">=C1=F5=CA=F7=B3=C9<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Please note that Applied Networking Rese=
arch Workshop (ANRW) will be taking place on the Monday of IETF 105, and no=
 other IRTF sessions will be scheduled on that day.</span></b><span lang=3D=
"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Thank you, best regards,</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Laurent.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
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Hi Will, <br>
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Thanks for your suggestion.<br>
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I'm not sure the current agenda for IETF 105 is accurate.<br>
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The information I have on the schedule of the meeting week is that the unst=
ructured time will be distributed on the mornings and evenings (1 hour per =
day).<br>
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Best regards, Laurent.</div>
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lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Liushucheng (Will Liu=
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:34:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay); nmrg@irtf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: NMRG activities at IETF 105 / Montreal / July 2019</fon=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> nmrg@irtf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [nmrg] NMRG activities at IETF 105 / Montreal / July 2019</=
span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Dear NMRG,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></sp=
an></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">In order to plan the various possible NMRG=
 meetings at IETF 105, we would like to get your inputs on the following op=
tions, ideally before Wednesday, May 22<sup>nd</sup>
 2019, AoE:</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">- Topics for discussion during the IETF=
 105 meeting (&quot;regular&quot; NMRG session(s))</span></b><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; We plan to allocate time for discus=
sion on intent based networking and the research group re-chartering.</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; We could have time for other topics=
 based on expressed needs, such as follow-up on the AI for Network Manageme=
nt discussion in IETF 104/Prague/March 2019. Presentations
 on other topics are also welcome.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
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-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
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-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">- Use of unstructured time to progress =
on work of the NMRG (&quot;informal&quot; NMRG session(s). outcome could ev=
entually be reported in the regular session if timing allows)</span></b><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; IETF 105 schedule will allow for un=
structured time during mornings and evenings of the IETF week.</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; To maximize the efficiency of such =
unstructured time, we advise to organize in advance and call for specific i=
tems to be discussed and inform participants accordingly.</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">- Side meeting in the form of a dedicat=
ed workshop/meeting as done at IETF 102/Montreal/July 2018 (&quot;interim&q=
uot; NMRG meeting).</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; Last year we've organized a 1-day w=
orkshop on intent based networking together with the ETS Montreal, on the F=
riday.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; We could repeat a similar experimen=
t based on expressed needs.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; The topic could be again intent bas=
ed networking or another one.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; We can try to accommodate another d=
ay to the extent possible. However it seems Friday would again be the best =
option wrt. to other planning constraint of the week.</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US"></span></p>
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-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt=
; color:#1F497D">[Will] From the Montreal IETF agenda, it seems Thursday af=
ternoon will be free. So, maybe another a good choice.</span></i></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; color:#1F497D">
 &nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify; text-justify:inter-ideo=
graph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards, /
</span><span style=3D"font-family:SimSun; color:#1F497D">=D6=C2=C0=F1</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">!
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify; text-justify:inter-ideo=
graph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Will LIU &nbsp;/
</span><span style=3D"font-family:SimSun; color:#1F497D">=C1=F5=CA=F7=B3=C9=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"></span></p>
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ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Please note that Applied Networking Res=
earch Workshop (ANRW) will be taking place on the Monday of IETF 105, and n=
o other IRTF sessions will be scheduled on that
 day.</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Thank you, best regards,</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Laurent.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span=
></p>
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Laurent,

For informal part, I would like to see if there is any current research w=
ork in network efficiencies (or should we say inefficiencies). I=E2=80=99=
ve heard recently that current networks are aprox 60% efficient, which le=
aves lot of space for improvement. I can see how network management is co=
ntributing to that (by managing networks as collection of devices and bui=
lding services from bottom up, instead of managing network as collection =
of resources that consume resources and capabilities of the network), but=
 don=E2=80=99t have better data on where the inefficiencies are. If any p=
erson on the list has more data on that and has interest, I would be inte=
rested to participate in the work.

Dean

On 7 May 2019, at 7:06, Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) wrot=
e:

> Dear NMRG,
>
> In order to plan the various possible NMRG meetings at IETF 105, we wou=
ld like to get your inputs on the following options, ideally before Wedne=
sday, May 22nd 2019, AoE:
>
> - Topics for discussion during the IETF 105 meeting ("regular" NMRG ses=
sion(s))
>   We plan to allocate time for discussion on intent based networking an=
d the research group re-chartering.
>   We could have time for other topics based on expressed needs, such as=
 follow-up on the AI for Network Management discussion in IETF 104/Prague=
/March 2019. Presentations on other topics are also welcome.
>
>
> - Use of unstructured time to progress on work of the NMRG ("informal" =
NMRG session(s). outcome could eventually be reported in the regular sess=
ion if timing allows)
>   IETF 105 schedule will allow for unstructured time during mornings an=
d evenings of the IETF week.
>   To maximize the efficiency of such unstructured time, we advise to or=
ganize in advance and call for specific items to be discussed and inform =
participants accordingly.
>
>
> - Side meeting in the form of a dedicated workshop/meeting as done at I=
ETF 102/Montreal/July 2018 ("interim" NMRG meeting).
>   Last year we've organized a 1-day workshop on intent based networking=
 together with the ETS Montreal, on the Friday.
>   We could repeat a similar experiment based on expressed needs.
>   The topic could be again intent based networking or another one.
>   We can try to accommodate another day to the extent possible. However=
 it seems Friday would again be the best option wrt. to other planning co=
nstraint of the week.
>
>
> Please note that Applied Networking Research Workshop (ANRW) will be ta=
king place on the Monday of IETF 105, and no other IRTF sessions will be =
scheduled on that day.
>
> Thank you, best regards,
> Laurent.


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p dir=3D"auto">Laurent,</p>
<p dir=3D"auto">For informal part, I would like to see if there is any cu=
rrent research work in network efficiencies (or should we say inefficienc=
ies). I=E2=80=99ve heard recently that current networks are aprox 60% eff=
icient, which leaves lot of space for improvement. I can see how network =
management is contributing to that (by managing networks as collection of=
 devices and building services from bottom up, instead of managing networ=
k as collection of resources that consume resources and capabilities of t=
he network), but don=E2=80=99t have better data on where the inefficienci=
es are. If any person on the list has more data on that and has interest,=
 I would be interested to participate in the work. </p>
<p dir=3D"auto">Dean</p>
<p dir=3D"auto">On 7 May 2019, at 7:06, Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Pa=
ris-Saclay) wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5=
px; padding-left:5px"><div id=3D"D575081F-B45E-4995-B513-583E2C24F608">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">
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<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>Dear NMRG,</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>In order to plan the various possible NMRG meetings at IETF 105=
, we would like to get your inputs on the following options, ideally befo=
re Wednesday, May 22<sup>nd</sup> 2019, AoE:</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"C=
ourier New"'>- Topics for discussion during the IETF 105 meeting ("regula=
r" NMRG session(s))</span></b></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0 We plan to allocate time for discussion on intent based =
networking and the research group re-chartering.</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0 We could have time for other topics based on expressed n=
eeds, such as follow-up on the AI for Network Management discussion in IE=
TF 104/Prague/March 2019. Presentations on other
 topics are also welcome.</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0 =

</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"C=
ourier New"'>- Use of unstructured time to progress on work of the NMRG (=
"informal" NMRG session(s). outcome could eventually be reported in the r=
egular session if timing allows)</span></b></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0 IETF 105 schedule will allow for unstructured time durin=
g mornings and evenings of the IETF week.</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0 To maximize the efficiency of such unstructured time, we=
 advise to organize in advance and call for specific items to be discusse=
d and inform participants accordingly.</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"C=
ourier New"'>- Side meeting in the form of a dedicated workshop/meeting a=
s done at IETF 102/Montreal/July 2018 ("interim" NMRG meeting).</span></b=
></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0 Last year we've organized a 1-day workshop on intent bas=
ed networking together with the ETS Montreal, on the Friday.</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0 We could repeat a similar experiment based on expressed =
needs.</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0 The topic could be again intent based networking or anot=
her one.</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0 We can try to accommodate another day to the extent poss=
ible. However it seems Friday would again be the best option wrt. to othe=
r planning constraint of the week.</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"C=
ourier New"'>Please note that Applied Networking Research Workshop (ANRW)=
 will be taking place on the Monday of IETF 105, and no other IRTF sessio=
ns will be scheduled on that day.</span></b></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>Thank you, best regards,</span></p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>Laurent.</span></p>
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margin-bottom:0.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cour=
ier New"'>=C2=A0</span></p>
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Dear Colleague,

The Department of Computer Science at Saint Louis University is looking for=
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D in computer science or related discipline. ABD will be considered.

The position is for one year. Interested applicants should email Dr. Esposi=
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20at%20Academic%20Keys,%20Postdoc%20in%20Network%20Management> the followin=
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es, (iii) a list of published papers on topics relevant to the position and=
 (iv) a research statement. Only short-listed candidate will be notified ab=
out the interview and application closes when the position is filled.

With regard,Flavio Esposito


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Dean,

It this a good topic for discussions and research.
A common way to optimize is to define the end state of the system (networ=
k, a not device) and go back from there. The discrepancy between intended=
 and operational states provides some good hints about eventual optimizat=
ions.

Cheers,
Jeff
On May 22, 2019, 1:40 PM -0700, Dean Bogdanovic <ivandean=40gmail.com>, w=
rote:
> Laurent,
> =46or informal part, I would like to see if there is any current resear=
ch work in network efficiencies (or should we say inefficiencies). I=E2=80=
=99ve heard recently that current networks are aprox 60% efficient, which=
 leaves lot of space for improvement. I can see how network management is=
 contributing to that (by managing networks as collection of devices and =
building services from bottom up, instead of managing network as collecti=
on of resources that consume resources and capabilities of the network), =
but don=E2=80=99t have better data on where the inefficiencies are. If an=
y person on the list has more data on that and has interest, I would be i=
nterested to participate in the work.
> Dean
> On 7 May 2019, at 7:06, Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - =46R/Paris-Saclay) =
wrote:
> > Dear NMRG,
> >
> > In order to plan the various possible NMRG meetings at IET=46 105, we=
 would like to get your inputs on the following options, ideally before W=
ednesday, May 22nd 2019, AoE:
> >
> > - Topics for discussion during the IET=46 105 meeting (=22regular=22 =
NMRG session(s))
> > =C2=A0 We plan to allocate time for discussion on intent based networ=
king and the research group re-chartering.
> > =C2=A0 We could have time for other topics based on expressed needs, =
such as follow-up on the AI for Network Management discussion in IET=46 1=
04/Prague/March 2019. Presentations on other topics are also welcome.
> >
> >
> > - Use of unstructured time to progress on work of the NMRG (=22inform=
al=22 NMRG session(s). outcome could eventually be reported in the regula=
r session if timing allows)
> > =C2=A0 IET=46 105 schedule will allow for unstructured time during mo=
rnings and evenings of the IET=46 week.
> > =C2=A0 To maximize the efficiency of such unstructured time, we advis=
e to organize in advance and call for specific items to be discussed and =
inform participants accordingly.
> >
> >
> > - Side meeting in the form of a dedicated workshop/meeting as done at=
 IET=46 102/Montreal/July 2018 (=22interim=22 NMRG meeting).
> > =C2=A0 Last year we've organized a 1-day workshop on intent based net=
working together with the ETS Montreal, on the =46riday.
> > =C2=A0 We could repeat a similar experiment based on expressed needs.=

> > =C2=A0 The topic could be again intent based networking or another on=
e.
> > =C2=A0 We can try to accommodate another day to the extent possible. =
However it seems =46riday would again be the best option wrt. to other pl=
anning constraint of the week.
> >
> >
> > Please note that Applied Networking Research Workshop (ANRW) will be =
taking place on the Monday of IET=46 105, and no other IRT=46 sessions wi=
ll be scheduled on that day.
> >
> > Thank you, best regards,
> > Laurent.
> >
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<div dir=3D=22auto=22>Dean,
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<div dir=3D=22auto=22>It this a good topic for discussions and research.<=
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<div dir=3D=22auto=22>A common way to optimize is to define the end state=
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<p dir=3D=22auto=22>Laurent,</p>
<p dir=3D=22auto=22>=46or informal part, I would like to see if there is =
any current research work in network efficiencies (or should we say ineff=
iciencies). I=E2=80=99ve heard recently that current networks are aprox 6=
0% efficient, which leaves lot of space for improvement. I can see how ne=
twork management is contributing to that (by managing networks as collect=
ion of devices and building services from bottom up, instead of managing =
network as collection of resources that consume resources and capabilitie=
s of the network), but don=E2=80=99t have better data on where the ineffi=
ciencies are. If any person on the list has more data on that and has int=
erest, I would be interested to participate in the work.</p>
<p dir=3D=22auto=22>Dean</p>
<p dir=3D=22auto=22>On 7 May 2019, at 7:06, Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - =46=
R/Paris-Saclay) wrote:</p>
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<blockquote style=3D=22margin: 5px 5px; padding-left: 10px; border-left: =
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ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>Dear NMRG,</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
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<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>In order to plan the various possib=
le NMRG meetings at IET=46 105, we would like to get your inputs on the f=
ollowing options, ideally before Wednesday, May 22<sup>nd</sup> 2019, AoE=
:</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160;</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><b><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>- Topics for discussion during t=
he IET=46 105 meeting (=22regular=22 NMRG session(s))</span></b></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160; We plan to allocate time f=
or discussion on intent based networking and the research group re-charte=
ring.</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160; We could have time for oth=
er topics based on expressed needs, such as follow-up on the AI for Netwo=
rk Management discussion in IET=46 104/Prague/March 2019. Presentations o=
n other topics are also welcome.</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160;</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160;</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><b><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>- Use of unstructured time to pr=
ogress on work of the NMRG (=22informal=22 NMRG session(s). outcome could=
 eventually be reported in the regular session if timing allows)</span></=
b></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160; IET=46 105 schedule will a=
llow for unstructured time during mornings and evenings of the IET=46 wee=
k.</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160; To maximize the efficiency=
 of such unstructured time, we advise to organize in advance and call for=
 specific items to be discussed and inform participants accordingly.</spa=
n></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160;</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160;</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><b><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>- Side meeting in the form of a =
dedicated workshop/meeting as done at IET=46 102/Montreal/July 2018 (=22i=
nterim=22 NMRG meeting).</span></b></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160; Last year we've organized =
a 1-day workshop on intent based networking together with the ETS Montrea=
l, on the =46riday.</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160; We could repeat a similar =
experiment based on expressed needs.</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160; The topic could be again i=
ntent based networking or another one.</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160; We can try to accommodate =
another day to the extent possible. However it seems =46riday would again=
 be the best option wrt. to other planning constraint of the week.</span>=
</p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0pt;f=
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<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
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ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>&=23160;</span></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
; margin:0; margin-bottom:0.0001pt=22><b><span style=3D=22font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>Please note that Applied Network=
ing Research Workshop (ANRW) will be taking place on the Monday of IET=46=
 105, and no other IRT=46 sessions will be scheduled on that day.</span><=
/b></p>
<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
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<p style=3D=22font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;, sans-serif; font-size:11pt=
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ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=22>Thank you, best regards,</span></p>=

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On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 04:37:48PM -0400, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
> Laurent,
>=20
> For informal part, I would like to see if there is any current research=
 work in network efficiencies (or should we say inefficiencies). I=E2=80=99=
ve heard recently that current networks are aprox 60% efficient, which le=
aves lot of space for improvement. I can see how network management is co=
ntributing to that (by managing networks as collection of devices and bui=
lding services from bottom up, instead of managing network as collection =
of resources that consume resources and capabilities of the network), but=
 don=E2=80=99t have better data on where the inefficiencies are. If any p=
erson on the list has more data on that and has interest, I would be inte=
rested to participate in the work.
>

The question is too vague. What is the definition of "efficient"?
Where did you hear that networks are aprox 60% efficient?  And what
kind of network do you mean? There are significant differences between
lets say backbone networks and different types of access networks. And
do we talk about 'costs' for providing network services?  If so,
operational costs vs. investment costs vs. costs for things like
licenses (5G frequency auctions come to mind). Or do we talk about
'energy efficiency', i.e., CO2 footprints?

A blanket statement like 'networks are aprox 60% efficient' really
means nothing. This is far from an tangible research question.

/js

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Dear NMRG,

Gentle reminder for our virtual meeting today.

Up-to-date agenda and useful links:

* Agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-nmrg-05-nmrg=
-01/
* Materials: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-05/sess=
ion/nmrg
* Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm3749c133247f0efd65013379=
5d261af1
* Etherpad: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523


Agenda:
05min. - Short introduction of new co-chair: J=E9r=F4me.
05min. - Status of the WG, next meetings, etc.
60min. - Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic
         + IBN some challenges and research directions
           + Work plan refinement
20min. - Network AI Challenge project
         + Interest expressed from Vishnu Ram (ITU-T ML5G FG)
         + Draft framework, J=E9r=F4me & Laurent
15min. - Modus Operandi for virtual meetings
         + What is working well and not
         + Dedicated meeting per topic? Alternate meetings per time zone
         + Input: more proactive, only presentations or something more/diff=
erent
         + Output: minutes and actions, need more?
         + How to follow-up between meetings? I-D updates, central place fo=
r work plan, progress and issue tracking, back-end / front-end
xxmin. - Any other business?

Details to connect still at the bottom of the message.

Best regards, Laurent.

From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 15:49
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: NMRG Virtual Meeting May 2019: Thursday 23-05-2019 17:00-19:00 CET

Dear all,

Thursday 23-05-2019 17:00-19-00 CEST is the slot with most votes.

Logistics:
* Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm3749c133247f0efd65013379=
5d261af1 + see details at the bottom of the message.
* Etherpad: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523<https:/=
/etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190425>


Agenda:
Please submit your agenda item proposals by Monday, May 20th AoE, by sendin=
g a message to the NMRG chairs.
We will see what needs to be discussed and the priorities.

Current Agenda:
      . Short introduction of new co-chair: J=E9r=F4me.
      . Status of the WG, next meetings, etc.
      . Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic
      . Other topics?
      . Network AI Challenge project
            - Interest expressed from Vishnu Ram (ITU-T ML5G FG)
            - Draft framework
. Modus Operandi for virtual meetings
     - What is working well and not
            - Dedicated meeting per topic? Alternate meetings per time zone
            - Input: more proactive, only presentations or something more/d=
ifferent
- Output: minutes and actions, need more?
            - How to follow-up between meetings? I-D updates, central place=
 for work plan, progress and issue tracking, back-end / front-end


Updates and materials will be provided prior to the meeting.
Thanks, best regards, Laurent.
---



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366">Dear NMRG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366">Gentle reminder for our virtual meetin=
g today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366">Up-to-date agenda and useful links:<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366">* Agenda: https://datatrac=
ker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-nmrg-05-nmrg-01/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366">* Materials: https://datatracker.ietf.=
org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-05/session/nmrg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366">05min. - Short introduction of new co-=
chair: J=E9r=F4me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366">05min. - Status of the WG, next meetin=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366">60min. - Status progress on Intent Bas=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366">xxmin. - Any other business?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366">Details to connect still at the bottom=
 of the message.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366">Best regards, Laurent.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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4.0pt">
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Sa=
clay) <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 13, 2019 15:49<br>
<b>To:</b> nmrg@irtf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> nmrg-chairs@irtf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> NMRG Virtual Meeting May 2019: Thursday 23-05-2019 17:00-19=
:00 CET<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Thursday 23-05-2019 17:00-19-00 CEST i=
s the slot with most votes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Logistics:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">* Webex:
<a href=3D"https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm3749c133247f0efd650133=
795d261af1">
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm3749c133247f0efd650133795d261af1<=
/a> &#43; see details at the bottom of the message.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">* Etherpad:
<a href=3D"https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190425">https:/=
/etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Agenda:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:red">Please submit your agenda item proposal=
s by Monday, May 20<sup>th</sup> AoE, by sending a message to the NMRG chai=
rs.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">We will see what needs to be discussed=
 and the priorities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Current Agenda:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Short=
 introduction of new co-chair: J=E9r=F4me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Statu=
s of the WG, next meetings, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Statu=
s progress on Intent Based Networking topic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Other=
 topics?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; . Netwo=
rk AI Challenge project<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Interest expressed from Vishnu Ram (ITU-T ML=
5G FG)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Draft framework<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:.5in"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">. Modus Ope=
randi for virtual meetings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:.5in"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; - What is working well and not<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Dedicated meeting per topic? Alternate meetings p=
er time zone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Input: more proactive, only presentations or some=
thing more/different<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-indent:.5in"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F=
497D">- Output: minutes and actions, need more?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - How to follow-up between meetings? I-D updates, c=
entral place for work plan, progress and issue tracking, back-end / front-e=
nd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Updates and materials will be provided=
 prior to the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks, best regards, Laurent.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D;display:none"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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ement-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,seri=
f;color:#1F497D">NMRG Virtual Meeting April 2019</span></b><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ement-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D">Thursday 23 May 2019
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ement-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D">17:00&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;Europe Summer Time (Paris, GMT&=
#43;02:00)&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;2 hrs
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D;display:none"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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ement-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D">Meeting number (access code): 641 780 578
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D;display:none"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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ement-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D">Meeting password: Z3Zc8sww<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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ement-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D"><a href=3D"https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm83995551=
30087d3da4644748e9134424">Add to Calendar</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ement-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;c=
olor:#1F497D">When it's time,
<a href=3D"https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm3294b62034e128e8af0a02=
95432a3cc8">
join the meeting</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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olor:#1F497D;display:none"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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olor:#1F497D">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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olor:#1F497D;display:none"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,seri=
f;color:#1F497D">Join by phone</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></=
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f;color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"tel:%2B1-650-479-3208,,*01*641780578%23%23*01*"=
>1-650-479-3208</a></span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Courier New&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;Call-in toll
 number (US/Canada)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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olor:#1F497D;display:none"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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On 22 May 2019, at 18:53, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:

> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 04:37:48PM -0400, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
>> Laurent,
>>
>> For informal part, I would like to see if there is any current researc=
h work in network efficiencies (or should we say inefficiencies). I=E2=80=
=99ve heard recently that current networks are aprox 60% efficient, which=
 leaves lot of space for improvement. I can see how network management is=
 contributing to that (by managing networks as collection of devices and =
building services from bottom up, instead of managing network as collecti=
on of resources that consume resources and capabilities of the network), =
but don=E2=80=99t have better data on where the inefficiencies are. If an=
y person on the list has more data on that and has interest, I would be i=
nterested to participate in the work.
>>
>
> The question is too vague. What is the definition of "efficient"?
> Where did you hear that networks are aprox 60% efficient?  And what
> kind of network do you mean? There are significant differences between
> lets say backbone networks and different types of access networks. And
> do we talk about 'costs' for providing network services?  If so,
> operational costs vs. investment costs vs. costs for things like
> licenses (5G frequency auctions come to mind). Or do we talk about
> 'energy efficiency', i.e., CO2 footprints?
>
> A blanket statement like 'networks are aprox 60% efficient' really
> means nothing. This is far from an tangible research question.

Yes, I agree with you, as wasn=E2=80=99t too clear about my interest. My =
main interest is in configuration efficiency. From talking to network ope=
rators they have config entries for which they don=E2=80=99t know why are=
 there, sometimes entered with specific reason, but that reason expired, =
but the config was left. Also, the config is entered in too many devices,=
 although it is not needed in each one of them to to enable the correct e=
xecution of network service.

Dean

>
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Dear all,

Please find below and at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019=
-nmrg-05/materials/minutes-interim-2019-nmrg-05-201905231700
or here if you prefer the Etherpad version: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org=
/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523
the minutes of our virtual meeting held on May 23th, 2019.


Summary of main action points:


  1.  Dean to formalize a problem statement on "residual configurations" an=
d see relevance to add this item to the work plan.
  2.  Creation of a team tasked to document the Network AI Challenge framew=
ork.
  3.  Chairs: propose refined work plan and milestones for approval


We will soon send a doodle poll for the next meeting in June/July.
Thanks to all the participants, to J=E9ferson for the minutes, and looking =
forward to the next virtual/physical meetings.
Best regards, Laurent.


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NMRG Virtual Meeting May 2019
Thursday 23-05-2019 17:00-19-00 CEST


Participants (12):

     Laurent Ciavaglia (co-chair, Nokia), J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois (co-chair, =
INRIA), Jeferson Nobre (secretary, UFRGS), Dean Bogdanovic (Volta Networks)=
, Jeff Tantsura (Apstra), Egemen Cetinkaya (Verizon); Julien Maisonneuve (N=
okia), Sabine Randriamasy (Nokia), Luis Contreras (Telefonica), Vishnu Ram =
(Technical Consultant, ITU-T ML5G FG), Shagufta Henna (TSSG), Alex Clemm (H=
uawei)



Useful links:
* Agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-nmrg-05-nmrg=
-01/
* Materials: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-05/sess=
ion/nmrg
* Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm3749c133247f0efd65013379=
5d261af1
* Etherpad: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523


Agenda:
05min. - Short introduction of new co-chair: J=E9r=F4me.

05min. - Status of the WG, next meetings, etc.

60min. - Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic

    IBN some challenges and research directions

    Work plan refinement


20min. - Network AI Challenge project

    Interest expressed from Vishnu Ram (ITU-T ML5G FG)

    Draft framework, J=E9r=F4me & Laurent


15min. - Modus Operandi for virtual meetings

    What is working well and not

    Dedicated meeting per topic? Alternate meetings per time zone

    Input: more proactive, only presentations or something more/different

    Output: minutes and actions, need more?

    How to follow-up between meetings? I-D updates, central place for work =
plan, progress and issue tracking, back-end / front-end


xxmin. - Any other business?


Meeting notes:

 - Agenda bashing
 - J=E9r=F4me presentation
****************************************************
IBN some challenges and research directions

Dean: In respect to intent from existing systems, there is configuration in=
 the system... Old rules that are still in the systems and are not relevant=
 anymore.
Need some sort of "garbage collector"

Jeff: what is the single source of truth? What the delta of the intent stat=
e and the operational state?
The brown field is a complex topic.
There are known frameworks for ACL (references?)

Dean: Single source of truth is the configuration files which are written b=
y humans, but which becomes lost because people leave the organization. Har=
d problem as seen by people from the operational side.

Jeff: API for users to express the intent...

Laurent: from legacy point of view, it is needed a path to enable the inter=
opetation in order to perform intent extraction from the CLI. It is necessa=
ry more data to analyse it.

Jeff: I don't see how to do this fully automatic (intent extraction?).

Jeff: It is needed to reach consensus in distributed systems (refer to slid=
e 10) about the intent state across the system,
Cannot rely on a centralized entity, so have to degin/evaluate a system bas=
ed on consensus with distributed entities and see the cost ratio (performan=
ce vs. complexity).
Stateless and central entity, could be path for lots or research.

Jeff: Planning changes through intent, how it is done? Telemetry framework =
being proposed by the IETF, it could be some colaboration.
abstracting the view from telemetry and linking to the intent deployment.

Dean: updates on intent, how they would work?
Jeff:?
Laurent: it depends how dependencies on intent would be formulated.
Dean: Intent as an atomic action avoids the dependecies problem.
Laurent: there will be relationships among intents, this could be included =
in the workplan.

******************
- IBN Work Plan
Jeff: terminology first.
Dean: garbage colection routine, potentially added to the work plan?
Laurent: formalize the problem and see from there.



**************************
- Network AI Challenge

Vishnu: Uses cases, we have analyzed several use cases considering 5G e fut=
ure networks.
Vishnu: ITU Focus group on this topic.
Vishnu: We want to participate in the defintions of any of this aspects.

Laurent: form a team to define/document the Network AI challenge.

J=E9ferson: how do you think that we should pursue that? as a draft?

Laurent: no specific recommendation on form, could be draft, doc, slides
Eventually, if useful to document challenge framework as an I-D to be re-us=
able.

Dean: would rather see a challenge linking IBN and autonomic networking, in=
cl. ANIMA. more realistic, indutry expectations.
Jeff: I could be interested if it is not too general (AI challenge)
Laurent: J=E9r=F4me  would be involved (lead co-chair on the project).
Vishnu ok to be part of the team.

- Virtual meetings
Laurent: wnat to know areas of improvement, what we can do to have efficien=
t/useful meeting. propose issue/topic for more in-depth discussion during t=
he meeting.
Jeff: some level of project management would be great
J=E9ferson: forming teams maybe would be helpul to track advances
Alex: Meetings are fine
Laurent: careful no to slide to some traditional project management and to =
no create 'groups within the group" with the design teams.
But if this is what the RG is aksing we will implement that.
Laurent: Virutal meetings specific for IBN?
Dean: ?



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Please find below and at:
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-05/materi=
als/minutes-interim-2019-nmrg-05-201905231700">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-05/materials/minutes=
-interim-2019-nmrg-05-201905231700</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">or here if you prefer the Etherpad version:
<a href=3D"https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523">https:/=
/etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">the minutes of our virtual meeting held on May 23<sup>th</=
sup>, 2019.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Courier New&quot;">Summary of main action points:<o:p></o:p></span></u>=
</b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l6 level1 =
lfo1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
Dean to formalize a problem statement on &quot;residual configurations&quot=
; and see relevance to add this item to the work plan.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:=
0in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Courier New&quot;">Creation of a team tasked to document the Network AI=
 Challenge framework.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" =
style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo1"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Chairs: propose refined work pl=
an and milestones for approval<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">We will soon send a doodle poll for the next meeting in Ju=
ne/July.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Thanks to all the participants, to J=E9ferson for the minu=
tes, and looking forward to the next virtual/physical meetings.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Best regards, Laurent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">NMRG Virtual Meeting May 2019<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Thursday 23-05-2019 17:00-19-00 CEST<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Participants (12):
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Laurent Ciavaglia (co-chair, Noki=
a), J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois (co-chair, INRIA), Jeferson Nobre (secretary, UFR=
GS), Dean Bogdanovic (Volta Networks), Jeff Tantsura (Apstra), Egemen Cetin=
kaya
 (Verizon); Julien Maisonneuve (Nokia), Sabine Randriamasy (Nokia), Luis Co=
ntreras (Telefonica), Vishnu Ram (Technical Consultant, ITU-T ML5G FG), Sha=
gufta Henna (TSSG), Alex Clemm (Huawei)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Useful links:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">* Agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-=
2019-nmrg-05-nmrg-01/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">* Materials: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-=
2019-nmrg-05/session/nmrg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">* Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm3749c13=
3247f0efd650133795d261af1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">* Etherpad: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual=
-20190523<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Agenda:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">05min. - Short introduction of new co-chair: J=E9r=F4me.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">05min. - Status of the WG, next meetings, etc.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">60min. - Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IBN some challenges and research direct=
ions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Work plan refinement<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">20min. - Network AI Challenge project<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Interest expressed from Vishnu Ram (ITU=
-T ML5G FG)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Draft framework, J=E9r=F4me &amp; Laure=
nt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">15min. - Modus Operandi for virtual meetings<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What is working well and not<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dedicated meeting per topic? Alternate =
meetings per time zone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Input: more proactive, only presentatio=
ns or something more/different<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Output: minutes and actions, need more?=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; How to follow-up between meetings? I-D =
updates, central place for work plan, progress and issue tracking, back-end=
 / front-end<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">xxmin. - Any other business?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Meeting notes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;- Agenda bashing&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;- J=E9r=F4me presentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">****************************************************<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">IBN some challenges and research directions<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Dean: In respect to intent from existing systems, there is=
 configuration in the system... Old rules that are still in the systems and=
 are not relevant anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Need some sort of &quot;garbage collector&quot;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Jeff: what is the single source of truth? What the delta o=
f the intent state and the operational state?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">The brown field is a complex topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">There are known frameworks for ACL (references?)<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Dean: Single source of truth is the configuration files wh=
ich are written by humans, but which becomes lost because people leave the =
organization. Hard problem as seen by people from
 the operational side.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Jeff: API for users to express the intent...<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Laurent: from legacy point of view, it is needed a path to=
 enable the interopetation in order to perform intent extraction from the C=
LI. It is necessary more data to analyse it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Jeff: I don't see how to do this fully automatic (intent e=
xtraction?).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Jeff: It is needed to reach consensus in distributed syste=
ms (refer to slide 10) about the intent state across the system,<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Cannot rely on a centralized entity, so have to degin/eval=
uate a system based on consensus with distributed entities and see the cost=
 ratio (performance vs. complexity).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Stateless and central entity, could be path for lots or re=
search.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Jeff: Planning changes through intent, how it is done? Tel=
emetry framework being proposed by the IETF, it could be some colaboration.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">abstracting the view from telemetry and linking to the int=
ent deployment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Dean: updates on intent, how they would work?<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Jeff:?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Laurent: it depends how dependencies on intent would be fo=
rmulated.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Dean: Intent as an atomic action avoids the dependecies pr=
oblem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Laurent: there will be relationships among intents, this c=
ould be included in the workplan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">******************<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">- IBN Work Plan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Jeff: terminology first.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Dean: garbage colection routine, potentially added to the =
work plan?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Laurent: formalize the problem and see from there.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">**************************<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">- Network AI Challenge<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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sidering 5G e future networks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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urier New&quot;">Vishnu: We want to participate in the defintions of any of=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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urier New&quot;">Laurent: form a team to define/document the Network AI cha=
llenge.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">J=E9ferson: how do you think that we should pursue that? a=
s a draft?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Laurent: no specific recommendation on form, could be draf=
t, doc, slides<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Eventually, if useful to document challenge framework as a=
n I-D to be re-usable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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urier New&quot;">Dean: would rather see a challenge linking IBN and autonom=
ic networking, incl. ANIMA. more realistic, indutry expectations.<o:p></o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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hallenge)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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 on the project).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Vishnu ok to be part of the team.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Laurent: wnat to know areas of improvement, what we can do=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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eams.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
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Dear all,

Just some comments I unfortunately was not able during meeting due to my audio 
connection problems:
- IBN: there were discussions on how to translate high level intents from CLI/API 
but it would be interested to consider the reverse way as well. For example, in 
case the resolution cannot find any solution that solves the problem but found a 
sub-optimal solution, it would then need to translate backward direction in the 
same "user language" (to confirm or decline for example)
- Network AI challenge: the goal is not to have a broad "Network AI" challenge but 
something specific to a use case. The current title serves for our discussion 
until we precisely define its scope.

best regards
jerome


On 24/05/2019 17:47, Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Please find below and at: 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-05/materials/minutes-interim-2019-nmrg-05-201905231700
>
> or here if you prefer the Etherpad version: 
> https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523
>
> the minutes of our virtual meeting held on May 23^th , 2019.
>
> *_Summary of main action points:_*
>
>  1. Dean to formalize a problem statement on "residual configurations" and see
>     relevance to add this item to the work plan.
>  2. Creation of a team tasked to document the Network AI Challenge framework.
>  3. Chairs: propose refined work plan and milestones for approval
>
> We will soon send a doodle poll for the next meeting in June/July.
>
> Thanks to all the participants, to Jferson for the minutes, and looking forward 
> to the next virtual/physical meetings.
>
> Best regards, Laurent.
>
> ---
>
> NMRG Virtual Meeting May 2019
>
> Thursday 23-05-2019 17:00-19-00 CEST
>
> Participants (12):
>
> Laurent Ciavaglia (co-chair, Nokia), Jrme Franois (co-chair, INRIA), Jeferson 
> Nobre (secretary, UFRGS), Dean Bogdanovic (Volta Networks), Jeff Tantsura 
> (Apstra), Egemen Cetinkaya (Verizon); Julien Maisonneuve (Nokia), Sabine 
> Randriamasy (Nokia), Luis Contreras (Telefonica), Vishnu Ram (Technical 
> Consultant, ITU-T ML5G FG), Shagufta Henna (TSSG), Alex Clemm (Huawei)
>
> Useful links:
>
> * Agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-nmrg-05-nmrg-01/
>
> * Materials: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-05/session/nmrg
>
> * Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m3749c133247f0efd650133795d261af1
>
> * Etherpad: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523
>
> Agenda:
>
> 05min. - Short introduction of new co-chair: Jrme.
>
> 05min. - Status of the WG, next meetings, etc.
>
> 60min. - Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic
>
> IBN some challenges and research directions
>
> Work plan refinement
>
> 20min. - Network AI Challenge project
>
> Interest expressed from Vishnu Ram (ITU-T ML5G FG)
>
> Draft framework, Jrme & Laurent
>
> 15min. - Modus Operandi for virtual meetings
>
> What is working well and not
>
> Dedicated meeting per topic? Alternate meetings per time zone
>
> Input: more proactive, only presentations or something more/different
>
> Output: minutes and actions, need more?
>
> How to follow-up between meetings? I-D updates, central place for work plan, 
> progress and issue tracking, back-end / front-end
>
> xxmin. - Any other business?
>
> Meeting notes:
>
> - Agenda bashing
>
> - Jrme presentation
>
> ****************************************************
>
> IBN some challenges and research directions
>
> Dean: In respect to intent from existing systems, there is configuration in the 
> system... Old rules that are still in the systems and are not relevant anymore.
>
> Need some sort of "garbage collector"
>
> Jeff: what is the single source of truth? What the delta of the intent state and 
> the operational state?
>
> The brown field is a complex topic.
>
> There are known frameworks for ACL (references?)
>
> Dean: Single source of truth is the configuration files which are written by 
> humans, but which becomes lost because people leave the organization. Hard 
> problem as seen by people from the operational side.
>
> Jeff: API for users to express the intent...
>
> Laurent: from legacy point of view, it is needed a path to enable the 
> interopetation in order to perform intent extraction from the CLI. It is 
> necessary more data to analyse it.
>
> Jeff: I don't see how to do this fully automatic (intent extraction?).
>
> Jeff: It is needed to reach consensus in distributed systems (refer to slide 10) 
> about the intent state across the system,
>
> Cannot rely on a centralized entity, so have to degin/evaluate a system based on 
> consensus with distributed entities and see the cost ratio (performance vs. 
> complexity).
>
> Stateless and central entity, could be path for lots or research.
>
> Jeff: Planning changes through intent, how it is done? Telemetry framework being 
> proposed by the IETF, it could be some colaboration.
>
> abstracting the view from telemetry and linking to the intent deployment.
>
> Dean: updates on intent, how they would work?
>
> Jeff:?
>
> Laurent: it depends how dependencies on intent would be formulated.
>
> Dean: Intent as an atomic action avoids the dependecies problem.
>
> Laurent: there will be relationships among intents, this could be included in 
> the workplan.
>
> ******************
>
> - IBN Work Plan
>
> Jeff: terminology first.
>
> Dean: garbage colection routine, potentially added to the work plan?
>
> Laurent: formalize the problem and see from there.
>
> **************************
>
> - Network AI Challenge
>
> Vishnu: Uses cases, we have analyzed several use cases considering 5G e future 
> networks.
>
> Vishnu: ITU Focus group on this topic.
>
> Vishnu: We want to participate in the defintions of any of this aspects.
>
> Laurent: form a team to define/document the Network AI challenge.
>
> Jferson: how do you think that we should pursue that? as a draft?
>
> Laurent: no specific recommendation on form, could be draft, doc, slides
>
> Eventually, if useful to document challenge framework as an I-D to be re-usable.
>
> Dean: would rather see a challenge linking IBN and autonomic networking, incl. 
> ANIMA. more realistic, indutry expectations.
>
> Jeff: I could be interested if it is not too general (AI challenge)
>
> Laurent: Jrme would be involved (lead co-chair on the project).
>
> Vishnu ok to be part of the team.
>
> - Virtual meetings
>
> Laurent: wnat to know areas of improvement, what we can do to have 
> efficient/useful meeting. propose issue/topic for more in-depth discussion 
> during the meeting.
>
> Jeff: some level of project management would be great
>
> Jferson: forming teams maybe would be helpul to track advances
>
> Alex: Meetings are fine
>
> Laurent: careful no to slide to some traditional project management and to no 
> create 'groups within the group" with the design teams.
>
> But if this is what the RG is aksing we will implement that.
>
> Laurent: Virutal meetings specific for IBN?
>
> Dean: ?
>


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    Dear all,<br>
    <br>
    Just some comments I unfortunately was not able during meeting due
    to my audio connection problems:<br>
    - IBN: there were discussions on how to translate high level intents
    from CLI/API but it would be interested to consider the reverse way
    as well. For example, in case the resolution cannot find any
    solution that solves the problem but found a sub-optimal solution,
    it would then need to translate backward direction in the same "user
    language" (to confirm or decline for example)<br>
    - Network AI challenge: the goal is not to have a broad "Network AI"
    challenge but something specific to a use case. The current title
    serves for our discussion until we precisely define its scope.<br>
    <br>
    best regards<br>
    jerome<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/05/2019 17:47, Ciavaglia, Laurent
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Dear
            all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Please
            find below and at:
            <a
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-05/materials/minutes-interim-2019-nmrg-05-201905231700"
              moz-do-not-send="true">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-05/materials/minutes-interim-2019-nmrg-05-201905231700</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">or
            here if you prefer the Etherpad version:
            <a
              href="https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">the
            minutes of our virtual meeting held on May 23<sup>th</sup>,
            2019.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;">Summary of main action points:<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
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            style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo1"><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
              New&quot;">Dean to formalize a problem statement on
              "residual configurations" and see relevance to add this
              item to the work plan.
              <o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo1"><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
              New&quot;">Creation of a team tasked to document the
              Network AI Challenge framework.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo1"><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
              New&quot;">Chairs: propose refined work plan and
              milestones for approval<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">We
            will soon send a doodle poll for the next meeting in
            June/July.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Thanks
            to all the participants, to Jferson for the minutes, and
            looking forward to the next virtual/physical meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Best
            regards, Laurent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">NMRG
            Virtual Meeting May 2019<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Thursday
            23-05-2019 17:00-19-00 CEST<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Participants
            (12):
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">
            Laurent Ciavaglia (co-chair, Nokia), Jrme Franois
            (co-chair, INRIA), Jeferson Nobre (secretary, UFRGS), Dean
            Bogdanovic (Volta Networks), Jeff Tantsura (Apstra), Egemen
            Cetinkaya (Verizon); Julien Maisonneuve (Nokia), Sabine
            Randriamasy (Nokia), Luis Contreras (Telefonica), Vishnu Ram
            (Technical Consultant, ITU-T ML5G FG), Shagufta Henna
            (TSSG), Alex Clemm (Huawei)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Useful
            links:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">*
            Agenda:
            <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-nmrg-05-nmrg-01/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-nmrg-05-nmrg-01/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">*
            Materials:
            <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-05/session/nmrg">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-nmrg-05/session/nmrg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">*
            Webex:
            <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m3749c133247f0efd650133795d261af1">https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m3749c133247f0efd650133795d261af1</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">*
            Etherpad:
            <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523">https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/nmrg-virtual-20190523</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Agenda:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">05min.
            - Short introduction of new co-chair: Jrme.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">05min.
            - Status of the WG, next meetings, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">60min.
            - Status progress on Intent Based Networking topic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">
            IBN some challenges and research directions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">
            Work plan refinement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">20min.
            - Network AI Challenge project<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">
            Interest expressed from Vishnu Ram (ITU-T ML5G FG)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">
            Draft framework, Jrme &amp; Laurent<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">15min.
            - Modus Operandi for virtual meetings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">
            What is working well and not<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">
            Dedicated meeting per topic? Alternate meetings per time
            zone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">
            Input: more proactive, only presentations or something
            more/different<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">
            Output: minutes and actions, need more?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">
            How to follow-up between meetings? I-D updates, central
            place for work plan, progress and issue tracking, back-end /
            front-end<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">xxmin.
            - Any other business?
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Meeting
            notes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">-
            Agenda bashing
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">-
            Jrme presentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">****************************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">IBN
            some challenges and research directions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Dean:
            In respect to intent from existing systems, there is
            configuration in the system... Old rules that are still in
            the systems and are not relevant anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Need
            some sort of "garbage collector"
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Jeff:
            what is the single source of truth? What the delta of the
            intent state and the operational state?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">The
            brown field is a complex topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">There
            are known frameworks for ACL (references?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Dean:
            Single source of truth is the configuration files which are
            written by humans, but which becomes lost because people
            leave the organization. Hard problem as seen by people from
            the operational side.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Jeff:
            API for users to express the intent...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Laurent:
            from legacy point of view, it is needed a path to enable the
            interopetation in order to perform intent extraction from
            the CLI. It is necessary more data to analyse it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Jeff:
            I don't see how to do this fully automatic (intent
            extraction?).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Jeff:
            It is needed to reach consensus in distributed systems
            (refer to slide 10) about the intent state across the
            system,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Cannot
            rely on a centralized entity, so have to degin/evaluate a
            system based on consensus with distributed entities and see
            the cost ratio (performance vs. complexity).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Stateless
            and central entity, could be path for lots or research.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Jeff:
            Planning changes through intent, how it is done? Telemetry
            framework being proposed by the IETF, it could be some
            colaboration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">abstracting
            the view from telemetry and linking to the intent
            deployment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Dean:
            updates on intent, how they would work?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Jeff:?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Laurent:
            it depends how dependencies on intent would be formulated.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Dean:
            Intent as an atomic action avoids the dependecies problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Laurent:
            there will be relationships among intents, this could be
            included in the workplan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">******************<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">-
            IBN Work Plan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Jeff:
            terminology first.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Dean:
            garbage colection routine, potentially added to the work
            plan?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Laurent:
            formalize the problem and see from there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">**************************<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">-
            Network AI Challenge<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Vishnu:
            Uses cases, we have analyzed several use cases considering
            5G e future networks.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Vishnu:
            ITU Focus group on this topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Vishnu:
            We want to participate in the defintions of any of this
            aspects.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Laurent:
            form a team to define/document the Network AI challenge.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Jferson:
            how do you think that we should pursue that? as a draft?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Laurent:
            no specific recommendation on form, could be draft, doc,
            slides<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Eventually,
            if useful to document challenge framework as an I-D to be
            re-usable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Dean:
            would rather see a challenge linking IBN and autonomic
            networking, incl. ANIMA. more realistic, indutry
            expectations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Jeff:
            I could be interested if it is not too general (AI
            challenge)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Laurent:
            Jrme would be involved (lead co-chair on the project).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Vishnu
            ok to be part of the team.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">-
            Virtual meetings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Laurent:
            wnat to know areas of improvement, what we can do to have
            efficient/useful meeting. propose issue/topic for more
            in-depth discussion during the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Jeff:
            some level of project management would be great<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Jferson:
            forming teams maybe would be helpul to track advances<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Alex:
            Meetings are fine<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Laurent:
            careful no to slide to some traditional project management
            and to no create 'groups within the group" with the design
            teams.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">But
            if this is what the RG is aksing we will implement that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Laurent:
            Virutal meetings specific for IBN?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Dean:
            ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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               2nd International Workshop on

          HIGH-PRECISION NETWORKS OPERATIONS AND CONTROL

                        (HIPNET 2019)



              25 October 2019, Halifax, Canada



         http://www.cnsm-conf.org/2019/hipnet2019.html



     Co-located with the 15th International Conference on

            Network and Service Management (CNSM)



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--- SCOPE ---



New waves of networked applications continue to push the limits

of what is possible with networks today. Augmented  Reality and

Tactile Internet require ultra-low latency measured  in single-

digit milliseconds. Requirements  of Industrial Internet appli-

cations that involve real-time industrial control are even more

stringent  and  tolerate no  jitter  at  all.  Compounding this

situation  is  the  fact  that  many  of those applications are

mission-critical and cannot afford  any loss in connectivity or

even  single packets. Collectively, these applications  require

High-Precision Networks  that  are  characterized by  stringent

service  level boundaries and associated guarantees that border

on  determinism.  This  requires  a  rethinking  of many of the

principles  underlying  existing  "Best Effort" internetworking

technology.



Several   approaches  trying  to  tackle  those  challenges are

emerging.  Data  centers  with  fixed topologies and a constant

number  of  hops  rapidly replace conventional routing and more

general   Internet   topologies.  Networks  are  becoming  more

programmable  to  allow to custom-tailor and optimize treatment

of packets and flows. Related  technologies  range from Service

Function  Chaining  to  Network Slicing to SDN. One overarching

question  concerns  how these technologies can be harnessed and

what  additional  approaches  are needed to be able to actually

deliver  High-Precision  Networking. This will involve advances

over a wide range of areas, such as programming  and processing

of packets in the data plane,  high-precision  measurements and

telemetry with nanosecond accuracy at scale, control interfaces

and ultra-low latency control loops to optimize service levels,

as  well  as  advances  in the related platforms and algorithms

that allow for their management and control.



The  workshop aims to provide a forum for researchers, students

and   professionals  from  industry  and  academia  to  discuss

challenges and present work-in-progress and solution approaches

to  deliver  on  High-Precision Networks  and  their management

and control.



--- TOPICS OF INTEREST ---



Topics  of Interest to the workshop include but are not limited

to the following:



- Platforms  to  manage  and  operate  high-precision  networks

and  services,  e.g.,  Industrial  Networks,  Tactile Networks,

Virtual/Augmented Reality (VR/AR)

- Proof/validation  of  high-precision service level guarantees

- High-precision  measurement  techniques for ultra-low latency

and jitter

- Service  assurance  for  micro  services and service function

chains

- Applications for Inband Network Telemetry and iOAM

- High-precision networking using service function chaining

- In-network service level tuning and optimization

- Novel  network  programming models with applications in high-

precision Networking

- Applications  of  Artificial  Intelligence for high-precision

networking

- Time-Sensitive Networking (TSN) interconnect,  wide-area TSN,

IP and TSN convergence

- SDN  applications  for  high-precision  and  high-performance

networking

- High-precision networking over 5G

- High-Precision  networking  services   using   Fog   and Edge

Computing

- Deployment/operational  experiences  with Industrial Internet,

Tactile Internet, networked AR



--- SUBMISSION OF PAPERS ---



Authors are invited to submit original unpublished  papers that

are  not  already  under  review elsewhere. Submissions will be

subjected  to  a peer-review process. Papers should be prepared

in  IEEE  2-column  format and  must not exceed 6 pages.  Short

papers are accepted as well and must not exceed 4 pages.



Papers  have  to  be submitted electronically in PDF format via

the  EDAS  conference  management  system,  accessible  via the

following link:  https://edas.info/N26240



--- PROCEEDINGS ---



Papers accepted and presented at HiPNet will be published  open

access on the conference Web site with IFIP copyright, and will

be submitted  for  possible  inclusion  in IEEE Xplore, ACM and

IFIP Digital Libraries.



--- IMPORTANT DATES ---



Paper Submission: July 15

Notification: September 2

Camera Ready: September 16

Workshop: October 25



--- COMMITTEE ---



WORKSHOP CO-CHAIRS

- Raouf Boutaba, University of Waterloo, Canada

- Alexander Clemm, Huawei, USA

- Mohamed Faten Zhani, =C9TS Montreal, Canada



TECHNICAL PROGRAM COMMITTEE

- Toufik Ahmed, University Bordeaux, France

- Sundeep Bhandari, NPL, UK

- Jiasi Chen, University of California, Riverside, USA

- Filip De Turck, Ghent University - imec, Belgium

- Lijun Dong, Futurewei, USA

- Hesham ElBakoury, Futurewei, USA

- Israat Haque, Dalhousie University, Canada

- Jerome Francois, INRIA Nancy Grand Est, France

- Martin Reisslein, Arizona State University, USA

- Roberto Riggio, FBK CREATE-NET, Italy

- Rolf Stadler, KTH Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden

- Massimo Tornatore, Politecnico di Milano, Italy

- Maria Torres Vega, Ghent University, Belgium

- Tim Wauters, Ghent University - imec, Belgium




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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;HIGH-PRECISION =
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sp; 25 October 2019, Halifax, Canada<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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New waves of networked applications continue to push the limits
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of what is possible with networks today. Augmented&nbsp; Reality and
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cations that involve real-time industrial control are even more
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stringent&nbsp; and&nbsp; tolerate no&nbsp; jitter&nbsp; at&nbsp; all.&nbsp=
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situation&nbsp; is&nbsp; the&nbsp; fact&nbsp; that&nbsp; many&nbsp; of thos=
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mission-critical and cannot afford&nbsp; any loss in connectivity or
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even&nbsp; single packets. Collectively, these applications&nbsp; require
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High-Precision Networks&nbsp; that&nbsp; are&nbsp; characterized by&nbsp; s=
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service&nbsp; level boundaries and associated guarantees that border
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on&nbsp; determinism.&nbsp; This&nbsp; requires&nbsp; a&nbsp; rethinking&nb=
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number&nbsp; of&nbsp; hops&nbsp; rapidly replace conventional routing and m=
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general&nbsp;&nbsp; Internet&nbsp;&nbsp; topologies.&nbsp; Networks&nbsp; a=
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programmable&nbsp; to&nbsp; allow to custom-tailor and optimize treatment
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of packets and flows. Related&nbsp; technologies&nbsp; range from Service
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Function&nbsp; Chaining&nbsp; to&nbsp; Network Slicing to SDN. One overarch=
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question&nbsp; concerns&nbsp; how these technologies can be harnessed and
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what&nbsp; additional&nbsp; approaches&nbsp; are needed to be able to actua=
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deliver&nbsp; High-Precision&nbsp; Networking. This will involve advances
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over a wide range of areas, such as programming&nbsp; and processing<o:p></=
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of packets in the data plane,&nbsp; high-precision&nbsp; measurements and
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telemetry with nanosecond accuracy at scale, control interfaces
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and ultra-low latency control loops to optimize service levels,
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as&nbsp; well&nbsp; as&nbsp; advances&nbsp; in the related platforms and al=
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that allow for their management and control.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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and&nbsp;&nbsp; professionals&nbsp; from&nbsp; industry&nbsp; and&nbsp; aca=
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challenges and present work-in-progress and solution approaches
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to&nbsp; deliver&nbsp; on&nbsp; High-Precision Networks&nbsp; and&nbsp; the=
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- Platforms&nbsp; to&nbsp; manage&nbsp; and&nbsp; operate&nbsp; high-precis=
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and&nbsp; services,&nbsp; e.g.,&nbsp; Industrial&nbsp; Networks,&nbsp; Tact=
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Virtual/Augmented Reality (VR/AR)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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- Proof/validation&nbsp; of&nbsp; high-precision service level guarantees<o=
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- High-precision&nbsp; measurement&nbsp; techniques for ultra-low latency
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- Service&nbsp; assurance&nbsp; for&nbsp; micro&nbsp; services and service =
function
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chains<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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- Applications for Inband Network Telemetry and iOAM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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- High-precision networking using service function chaining<o:p></o:p></spa=
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- In-network service level tuning and optimization<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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- Novel&nbsp; network&nbsp; programming models with applications in high-<o=
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precision Networking<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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- Applications&nbsp; of&nbsp; Artificial&nbsp; Intelligence for high-precis=
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networking<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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- Time-Sensitive Networking (TSN) interconnect,&nbsp; wide-area TSN,<o:p></=
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IP and TSN convergence<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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- SDN&nbsp; applications&nbsp; for&nbsp; high-precision&nbsp; and&nbsp; hig=
h-performance
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networking<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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- High-precision networking over 5G<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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- High-Precision&nbsp; networking&nbsp; services&nbsp;&nbsp; using&nbsp;&nb=
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Computing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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- Deployment/operational&nbsp; experiences&nbsp; with Industrial Internet,
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Tactile Internet, networked AR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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in&nbsp; IEEE&nbsp; 2-column&nbsp; format and&nbsp; must not exceed 6 pages=
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the&nbsp; EDAS&nbsp; conference&nbsp; management&nbsp; system,&nbsp; access=
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be submitted&nbsp; for&nbsp; possible&nbsp; inclusion&nbsp; in IEEE Xplore,=
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		 CALL FOR PAPERS - NOMS 2020
	IEEE/IFIP Network Operations and Management Symposium
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Management in the Age of Softwarization and Artificial Intelligence

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The 17th IEEE/IFIP Network Operations and Management Symposium (NOMS =
2020) will be held on 20-24 April 2020 in Budapest, Hungary. Held in =
even-numbered years since 1988, NOMS 2020 will follow the 32 years =
tradition of NOMS and IM as the primary IEEE Communications Society's =
forum for technical exchange on management of information and =
communication technology focusing on research, development, integration, =
standards, service provisioning, and user communities. The theme of NOMS =
2020 is Management in the Age of Softwarization and Artificial =
Intelligence. It aims to capture recent results, emerging approaches and =
technical solutions for dealing with management of Fixed and Mobile =
Networks and Services, Clouds, and Vertical Eco-Systems (e.g., smart =
cities and smart transportations, etc.) NOMS 2020 will offer various =
types of sessions: keynotes, technical, experience, demo, tutorial, =
poster, panel, and dissertation. Topics of interest include, but are not =
limited to, the following:

Management of Smart Vertical Systems in the Industry 4.0 Era
- Smart Cities, Smart Grid, Smart Homes, Smart Environment
- Internet of Things (IoT)
- 5G networking
- Social Networks
- Cyber-Physical Systems including techniques supported with Augmented =
Reality, Virtual Reality, Mixed Reality, Physical vs. Digital Twins
- Applications and case studies

Artificial Intelligence techniques for Network and Service Management
- Artificial Neural Networks
- Machine Learning & Deep Learning
- Big Data & Data Mining
- Mobile Agents
- AI vs. legacy optimization methods in management

Management of Softwarised Networks, SDN and NFV
- Network virtualization
- Network (data, control, management planes) programmability
- Slicing in 5G and Beyond=20
- Management & Orchestration (MANO)
- Service Function Chaining
- Protocols, languages and frameworks
- Open source networking=20
- Cloud native networking
- Case studies and practical deployments

Management Functional Areas
- FCAPS: Fault, Configuration, Accounting, Performance and Security =
Management
- Green operation & management
- Billing & Accounting
- Service Assurance
- Service Fulfillment
- Service Level Management

Network Management & Operational Experience
- Ad-hoc networks
- Automotive and vehicular networks
- Broadband access networks
- Cognitive radio networks
- e-Maintenance
- Future Internet
- Heterogeneous networks
- Home networks
- M2M networks
- OSS/BSS development
- Overlay networks
- Personal area networks
- Sensor networks
- Wireless & mobile networks

Service Management
- Business management
- Clouds
- Data center management
- Data service management=20
- Hosting
- Infrastructure as a Service, Management as a Service, Platform as a =
Service, Software as a Service
- IT service management
- Managed service provisioning
- Multimedia service management
- OTT service management
- Virtualized infrastructure management
- Security Management
- Intrusion detection, intrusion prevention, intrusion response
- Network security
- Security for peer-to-peer and overlay networks
- Security for smart X and large systems and critical infrastructures
- Privacy and anonymity
- Vulnerability management
- Early warning

Methodologies for Network Operations and Management
- Control theory
- Markov Chains and management
- Data collection and aggregation
- Design and simulation
- Economic/finance theories
- Experimental approaches
- Optimization theory
- Probability and stochastic processes, queuing theory
- Risk management
- Software engineering methodologies Visualization
- Management approaches for Quantum Networking

Management Approaches
- Management architectures
- Standard frameworks and systems
- Integrated management
- Autonomic and self-management
- Best practices and management standards
- Centralized management
- Distributed management
- Organizational aspects
- Policy-based management
- Process oriented management
- IT service management (ITSM)
- Process engineering and frameworks (ITIL, CobIT, RiskIT, ValIT)

PAPER SUBMISSION GUIDELINES
Authors are invited to submit original contributions written in English =
that have not been published or submitted for publication elsewhere. =
Technical papers must be formatted using the IEEE 2-column format and =
not exceed 8 pages (excluding references) for full paper submissions or =
not exceed 4 pages (excluding references) for poster/short paper =
submissions. All papers should be submitted through JEMS.

The authors of the best 15 technical papers will be invited to submit =
extended versions of their papers to a fast-track reviewed Wiley=C3=ADs =
International Journal of Network Management (IJNM) or IEEE =
Communications Magazine series on Telecom Software, Network =
Virtualization, Software Defined Networks

All submitted papers will be peer-reviewed. Accepted and presented =
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IMPORTANT DATES
Paper Submission:  30 August 2019
Notification of Acceptance:  8 November 2019
Camera Ready:  12 January 2020

TECHNICAL PROGRAM COMMITTEE CO-CHAIRS
Imen Grida Ben Yahia, Orange Labs, France
Alex Galis, UCL, UK
Istvan Godor, Ericsson, Hungary
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Number of Sessions: 1
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Research Group Name: Network Management
Session Requester: Jérôme François

City: Montreal
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Session 1:

Date: 2019-07-26
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Number of Sessions: 1
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NMRG,

Our group will hold a multi-day interim meeting on 13-14 June 2019:
  Session 1: 2019-06-13 / 09:30 to 17:30  PDT
  Session 2: 2019-06-14 / 09:30 to 13:30  PDT
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* Meeting Location:
  Nokia office
  5390 Hellyer Avenue, San Jose, 95138, CA, USA


* Agenda:
  The meeting will focus on Intent Based Networking (IBN) and on making pro=
gress on the current work items, tentatively covering:
  - Concepts definition and terminology
  - Architecture: requirements, principles, properties, functions/services,=
 enablers, theory of operations, interworking/integration with other archit=
ectures/frameworks, human-network interface, intents definitions, formats a=
nd models...
  - Use cases: e.g. data centers and interconnection, 5G "verticals", other=
 use cases to be proposed/discussed... including common parts ("template") =
such as actors, examples of intents, learnings, evaluation...
  - Problem statement, research challenges and goals
  - Miscellaneous: evaluation, implementation, proof of concept, standards =
path


* Meeting preparation and operation:
  - Call for contribution: presentations on one or multiple of the above to=
pics, or related, are welcome to support and drive the discussion. please i=
nform me if you intend (pun) to present stuff.
  - Background materials: if you'd like to share background material useful=
 for the discussion, please inform me, I will put the materials on the meet=
ing page.
  - Switch between exploration and exploitation type of sessions to do both=
 brainstorm/technical discussion and editing on documents.
  - Suggestion on topics, work methods, etc. are welcome.


* Remote participation:
  Remote participation is not planned for this meeting.


Best regards, J=E9r=F4me & Laurent.


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Subject: [nmrg] Network Management (nmrg) RG Interim Meeting: 2019-07-26
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The Network Management (nmrg) Research Group will hold
an interim meeting on 2019-07-26 from 09:30 to 15:30 America/Toronto.

Meeting Location:
Montreal, CA

Agenda:
Technical meeting to progress on IBN

Information about remote participation:
Webex link provided later

