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Hi all,
I really like the work that has been done in IRTF to capture intent work
and seek a clear, common definition. I hope I can jump into this
conversation and provide some thoughts.

As the chairman of the ONF NorthBound Interface (NBI) group at the time
that TR523 was published, I appreciate the comments in the draft stating
that results of the ONF work would be incorporated in future revisions. To
that end I think the primary thing that resulted from the work we did was a
recognition that it is not a complete fantasy (early resistance to intent
discussion) to have an (intent) policy that is completely independent of
implementation details. The way to do this is to have that policy reference
(dynamically updated) objects that are entirely implementation specific.
The value is not that complexity vanishes, but that the audience that
understands intent (sales team wants high-quality video conferencing
service) is different from the one that understands implementation (video
codecs, adaptive compression, multi-path forwarding, bandwidth utilization,
firewall rulees, etc.). Also, the latter set of concerns tend to be known
via machine-to-machine communications (message bus, distributed store,
etc.) in a way that ultimately lends itself to automation and autonomous
operation. It should be a real-time distributed database or messsage bus,
not a human administered entity built on /etc files :)

In summary, I think it is useful to define an intent based system as one
that strictly disallows implementation details in the =E2=80=9Cintent=E2=80=
=9D part of the
desired state description, and also defines the mapping between the dynamic
objects referenced in policies, and the run-time, implementation specifics
of a given instance of such dynamic objects at a given point in time. The
opportunity and challenge is to build a system that separates the input of
intent from the delivery of real-time enforcement in a way that is easy to
use and understand.

My $0.02
-drl

David Lenrow
617 329 1861 (Rings all my phones).
@dlenrow

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,<div>I really like the work that h=
as been done in IRTF to capture intent work and seek a clear, common defini=
tion. I hope I can jump into this conversation and provide some thoughts.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>As the chairman of the ONF NorthBound Inter=
face (NBI) group at the time that=C2=A0<span style=3D"background-color:rgb(=
255,253,245);color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;,Monaco,monosp=
ace;font-size:14px">TR523 was published, I appreciate the comments in the d=
raft stating that results of the ONF work would be incorporated in future r=
evisions. To that end I think the primary thing that resulted from the work=
 we did was a recognition that it is not a complete fantasy (early resistan=
ce to intent discussion) to have an (intent) policy that is completely inde=
pendent of implementation details. The way to do this is to have that polic=
y reference (dynamically updated) objects that are entirely implementation =
specific. The value is not that complexity vanishes, but that the audience =
that understands intent (sales team wants high-quality video conferencing s=
ervice) is different from the one that understands implementation (video co=
decs, adaptive compression, multi-path forwarding, bandwidth utilization, f=
irewall rulees, etc.). Also, the latter set of concerns tend to be known vi=
a machine-to-machine communications (message bus, distributed store, etc.) =
in a way that ultimately lends itself to automation and autonomous operatio=
n. It should be a real-time distributed database or messsage bus, not a hum=
an administered entity built on /etc files :)</span></div><div><font color=
=3D"#000000" face=3D"PT Mono, Monaco, monospace"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
4px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"PT Mono, =
Monaco, monospace"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">In summary, I think it is=
 useful to define an intent based system as one that strictly disallows imp=
lementation details in the =E2=80=9Cintent=E2=80=9D part of the desired sta=
te description, and also defines the mapping between the dynamic objects re=
ferenced in policies, and the run-time, implementation specifics of a given=
 instance of such dynamic objects at a given point in time. The opportunity=
 and challenge is to build a system that separates the input of intent from=
 the delivery of real-time enforcement in a way that is easy to use and und=
erstand.=C2=A0</span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"PT M=
ono, Monaco, monospace"><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></font></=
div><div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"PT Mono, Monaco, monospace"><span =
style=3D"font-size:14px">My $0.02</span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#0=
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drl<br></span></font><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,253,245);color=
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"></span><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:small">David Lenrow</spa=
n><div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:small"><span title=3D"Call with=
 Google Voice">617 329 1861</span>=C2=A0(Rings all my phones).=C2=A0</div><=
div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:small">@dlenrow</div></div></div><=
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Management of Smart Vertical Systems in the Industry 4.0 Era
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- Internet of Things (IoT)
- 5G networking
- Social Networks
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Reality, Virtual Reality, Mixed Reality, Physical vs. Digital Twins
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Artificial Intelligence techniques for Network and Service Management
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- Big Data & Data Mining
- Mobile Agents
- AI vs. legacy optimization methods in management

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- Service Level Management

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- Broadband access networks
- Cognitive radio networks
- e-Maintenance
- Future Internet
- Heterogeneous networks
- Home networks
- M2M networks
- OSS/BSS development
- Overlay networks
- Personal area networks
- Sensor networks
- Wireless & mobile networks

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- OTT service management
- Virtualized infrastructure management
- Security Management
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- Network security
- Security for peer-to-peer and overlay networks
- Security for smart X and large systems and critical infrastructures
- Privacy and anonymity
- Vulnerability management
- Early warning

Methodologies for Network Operations and Management
- Control theory
- Markov Chains and management
- Data collection and aggregation
- Design and simulation
- Economic/finance theories
- Experimental approaches
- Optimization theory
- Probability and stochastic processes, queuing theory
- Risk management
- Software engineering methodologies Visualization
- Management approaches for Quantum Networking

Management Approaches
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- Best practices and management standards
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- Distributed management
- Organizational aspects
- Policy-based management
- Process oriented management
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