From nobody Sun Dec 1 22:42:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216D912013D; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 22:42:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8lhBft_GkKIR; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 22:42:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from emh02.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh02.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80F61120026; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 22:42:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from eggert.org (unknown [62.248.255.8]) by emh02.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3496200D7; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 08:42:13 +0200 (EET) Received: from [172.30.153.229] (Lumi.eggert.org [172.30.153.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AC6D6200713; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 08:41:50 +0200 (EET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Lars Eggert Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2019 08:41:49 +0200 Message-Id: References: Cc: Joerg Ott , Marie-Jose Montpetit , Carsten Bormann , =?utf-8?Q?J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me_Fran=C3=A7ois?= , "nmrg@irtf.org" , "coin@irtf.org" In-Reply-To: To: "Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" X-MailScanner-ID: AC6D6200713.A3D4F X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] [Coin] CFPs X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 06:42:18 -0000 This is what I did when I chaired, for my lists (also on the IETF side). --=20 Sent from a mobile device; please excuse typos. > On Nov 29, 2019, at 13:02, Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) wrote: >=20 > Should there be a filter on keywords [CFP] to steer the incoming email to m= ailing list admins for approval? From nobody Sun Dec 1 22:43:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B0D120143; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 22:43:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b8ee9fEXDb5k; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 22:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from emh07.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh07.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFCCE12013C; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 22:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from eggert.org (unknown [62.248.255.8]) by emh07.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id B649EB0089; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 08:43:18 +0200 (EET) Received: from [172.30.153.229] (Lumi.eggert.org [172.30.153.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EDC5F2048C8; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 08:43:12 +0200 (EET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Lars Eggert Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2019 08:43:12 +0200 Message-Id: <6F957E95-D2D2-4AA9-A771-7636935FBD3D@eggert.org> References: <1015CB03-CE42-41D8-8146-2D58D84BF02A@tzi.org> Cc: "Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" , Marie-Jose Montpetit , "coin@irtf.org" , =?utf-8?Q?J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me_Fran=C3=A7ois?= , "nmrg@irtf.org" , =?utf-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Ott?= In-Reply-To: <1015CB03-CE42-41D8-8146-2D58D84BF02A@tzi.org> To: Carsten Bormann X-MailScanner-ID: EDC5F2048C8.A83F0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] [Coin] CFPs X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 06:43:23 -0000 You can add a rule that holds patterns like =E2=80=9Ccfp=E2=80=9D and =E2=80= =9Ccall for=E2=80=9D for moderation. --=20 Sent from a mobile device; please excuse typos. > On Nov 29, 2019, at 14:30, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Nov 29, 2019, at 12:02, Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-S= aclay) wrote: >>=20 >> Should there be a filter on keywords [CFP] to steer the incoming email to= mailing list admins for approval? >=20 > Auto-moderating CFPs is a good idea; unfortunately I don=E2=80=99t see a w= ay in the mailman forms to set this up. >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 > --=20 > Coin mailing list > Coin@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/coin From nobody Wed Dec 4 08:49:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4681412085B; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:49:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear NMRG, This is a gentle reminder to share your comments on the proposed revised ch= arter. We plan on finalizing the process in the coming weeks, so don't wait to voi= ce out your opinion. Thank you, best regards, J=E9r=F4me & Laurent. From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:17 To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) ; nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) Subject: RE: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter Hello, In addition to the previous email, a few additional links for your convenie= nce: * Version -01 of NMRG charter: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e84-= M4DEDi-LCXjLG0Wf0JhbPXVcIPm2hnFFIQPrkro/edit?usp=3Dsharing * Comparison between version -01 and -02: https://docs.google.com/docum= ent/d/19xidbplhn5gPr41QdeXBTh2WLhoA9kbhNieZiSh0Uyk/edit?usp=3Dsharing Also, to clarify: * The intent of the charter revision is not a complete overhaul but mor= e to capture more recent activities the RG has engaged into and reflect tha= t in an update of the original charter together with a work plan. You can see in the comparison, that the first part (original charter) has n= ot been changed. Thank you. Best regards, Laurent. From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 06:46 To: nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter Hi NMRG, J=E9r=F4me and I have been working on a new version of the NMRG charter to = capture better the current shape and activity of the RG. We'd like to receive comments from the community. This is on the agenda of = the session on Friday. https://docs.google.com/document/d/14eHQALG95VHE5N-YIAwH6vriKFG2WvI8d63Ttug= ZLgU/edit?usp=3Dsharing Thank you. Best regards, J=E9r=F4me & Laurent. --_000_PR1PR07MB4891FB32F988BF2C63BEE455F35D0PR1PR07MB4891eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear NMRG,

 

This is a gentle reminder to share you= r comments on the proposed revised charter.

 

We plan on finalizing the process in t= he coming weeks, so don't wait to voice out your opinion.=

 

Thank you, best regards,

J=E9r=F4me & Laurent.

 

From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Sa= clay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:17
To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavagl= ia@nokia.com>; nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) <irtf-= chair@irtf.org>
Subject: RE: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter

 

Hello,

 

In addition to the previous email, a f= ew additional links for your convenience:

 

Also, to clarify:

  • = The intent of the charter revision is not a complete overhaul but more to c= apture more recent activities the RG has engaged into and reflect that in a= n update of the original charter together with a work plan.

You can see= in the comparison, that the first part (original charter) has not been cha= nged.

 

Thank you.

Best regards, Laurent.

 

 

From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Sa= clay) <laurent.ciavaglia@= nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 06:46
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org=
Subject: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter

 

Hi NMRG,

 

J=E9r=F4me and I have been working on a new version = of the NMRG charter to capture better the current shape and activity of the= RG.

 

We'd like to receive comments from the community. Th= is is on the agenda of the session on Friday.

 

https://docs.goo= gle.com/document/d/14eHQALG95VHE5N-YIAwH6vriKFG2WvI8d63TtugZLgU/edit?usp=3D= sharing

 

Thank you.

Best regards, J=E9r=F4me & Laurent.

--_000_PR1PR07MB4891FB32F988BF2C63BEE455F35D0PR1PR07MB4891eurp_-- From nobody Wed Dec 4 09:28:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABB812089B; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:28:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ES58Q644xOUt; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF418120861; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:28:44 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.69,278,1571695200"; d="scan'208";a="417747254" Received: from tadam.loria.fr (HELO [152.81.3.52]) ([152.81.3.52]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA; 04 Dec 2019 18:28:42 +0100 To: "nmrg@irtf.org" Cc: "nmrg-chairs@irtf.org" From: =?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:24:44 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: fr Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:28:47 -0000 Dear all, We recently received an RG adoption request for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt) Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if you think it should not be adopted. 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In all cases, provide detailed comments to su= pport your > opinion and send them on the mailing list. > > This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December= 2019. > > The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detai= led here: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU > > Best regards > NMRG chairs > Laurent & J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > nmrg mailing list > nmrg=40irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg --5de81b7c_78df6a55_55fa Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Support as co-author

Cheers,
Jeff
On Dec 4, 2019, 9:28 AM -0800, J=C3= =A9r=C3=B4me =46ran=C3=A7ois <jerome.francois=40inria.fr>, wrote:
De= ar all,

We recently received an RG adoption request for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-int= ent-03
(https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03.txt)

Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if y= ou think
it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed comments to supp= ort your
opinion and send them on the mailing list.

This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 2= 019.

The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detaile= d here:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU
Best regards
NMRG chairs
Laurent & J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me


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In all cases, provide detailed comments t= o > support your opinion and send them on the mailing list. >=20 > This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 2= 019. >=20 > The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detaile= d > here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGv= QmU >=20 > Best regards > NMRG chairs > Laurent & J=E9r=F4me >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed Dec 4 13:24:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D359612004C; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 13:24:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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What is the insight that these big tables deliver? How do they help doing ultimately better work in the IETF? I am sure I will get some answer quickly from the authors but what I am saying is that I prefer to see the value of this document very clearly explained in the document before adopting it. Note that I also expect that this document would align with the other document defining intent concepts and terminology. Perhaps this is more intended like a survey paper but then it has gone a bit in the wrong direction since a decent survey would explain how intent is defined and used in concrete projects (hint: lots of concrete descriptions and references) and then you would classify things. But right now, we have big tables with empty cells or cells with text that seems to come from rather unknown sources. For the above reasons, I do not support adoption at this point in time. /js On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 06:24:44PM +0100, J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > We recently received an RG adoption request for > draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 > (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt) >=20 > Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if y= ou > think it should not be adopted. 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What is the > insight that these big tables deliver=3F How do they help doing > ultimately better work in the IET=46=3F > > I am sure I will get some answer quickly from the authors but what I > am saying is that I prefer to see the value of this document very > clearly explained in the document before adopting it. Note that I also > expect that this document would align with the other document defining > intent concepts and terminology. Perhaps this is more intended like a > survey paper but then it has gone a bit in the wrong direction since a > decent survey would explain how intent is defined and used in concrete > projects (hint: lots of concrete descriptions and references) and then > you would classify things. But right now, we have big tables with > empty cells or cells with text that seems to come from rather unknown > sources. > > =46or the above reasons, I do not support adoption at this point in > time. > > /js > > On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 06:24:44PM +0100, J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me =46ran=C3=A7= ois wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > We recently received an RG adoption request for > > draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 > > (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt) > > > > Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or = if you > > think it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed commen= ts to > > support your opinion and send them on the mailing list. > > > > This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 Decemb= er 2019. > > > > The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are det= ailed > > here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y= 5LGvQmU > > > > Best regards > > NMRG chairs > > Laurent & J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > > nmrg mailing list > > nmrg=40irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 =7C 28759 Bremen =7C Germany > =46ax: +49 421 200 3103 > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > nmrg mailing list > nmrg=40irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg --5de825e9_39b7aaa2_55fa Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
+1&=23160;Juergen

Cheers,
Jeff
On Dec 4, 2019, 1:25 PM -0800, Sch=C3= =B6nw=C3=A4lder, J=C3=BCrgen <J.Schoenwaelder=40jacobs-university.de&g= t;, wrote:
I = am still not sure what the value of this document is. What is the
insight that these big tables deliver=3F How do they help doing
ultimately better work in the IET=46=3F

I am sure I will get some answer quickly from the authors but what I
am saying is that I prefer to see the value of this document very
clearly explained in the document before adopting it. Note that I also expect that this document would align with the other document defining intent concepts and terminology. Perhaps this is more intended like a
survey paper but then it has gone a bit in the wrong direction since a decent survey would explain how intent is defined and used in concrete projects (hint: lots of concrete descriptions and references) and then you would classify things. But right now, we have big tables with
empty cells or cells with text that seems to come from rather unknown
sources.

=46or the above reasons, I do not support adoption at this point in
= time.

/js

On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 06:24:44PM +0100, J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me =46ran=C3=A7oi= s wrote:
De= ar all,

We recently received an RG adoption request for
draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02
(https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt)

Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if y= ou
think it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed comments t= o
support your opinion and send them on the mailing list.

This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 2= 019.

The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detaile= d
here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGv= QmU

Best regards
NMRG chairs
Laurent & J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I think the charter proposal looks fine overall. One nit re: "The initial focus of the NMRG will be on higher-layer manageme= nt services that interface with the current Internet management framework."= NMRG has a long tradition, so perhaps it is better to not call it "The in= itial focus", but to state "The current focus", or perhaps (not ideal) "the= initial focus of the current NMRG cycle". Likewise the statement "The NMRG will investigate in priority three related= topics". This suggests that the listed topics are in priority order, whic= h I don't think is correct - they are simply all topics of priority. Perha= ps rephrase to "The NMRG will prioritize investigation of three related top= ics", or similar? There is one typo: "One one hand" (should be "On one hand"). Some more minor comments FWIW (feel free to ignore): - Third bullet item under IBN "categorize the different forms of intents an= d define what constitutes a "well-formed" intent; describe how an intent ca= n be expressed and what can be expressed using an intent with means such as= information models, grammars, and languages." I think that arguably the c= ategorization could be covered under terminology; perhaps this bullet shoul= d simply focus on the second aspect (how to express intent), which is a mor= e open-ended problem to which several solutions may be put forward. Since no milestones are listed, is the Milestones section still needed? (I= assume they will be defined as working group documents get adopted.) Cheers --- Alex From: nmrg On Behalf Of Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia -= FR/Paris-Saclay) Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:17 AM To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) ; nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) Subject: Re: [nmrg] Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter Hello, In addition to the previous email, a few additional links for your convenie= nce: * Version -01 of NMRG charter: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e84-= M4DEDi-LCXjLG0Wf0JhbPXVcIPm2hnFFIQPrkro/edit?usp=3Dsharing * Comparison between version -01 and -02: https://docs.google.com/docum= ent/d/19xidbplhn5gPr41QdeXBTh2WLhoA9kbhNieZiSh0Uyk/edit?usp=3Dsharing Also, to clarify: * The intent of the charter revision is not a complete overhaul but mor= e to capture more recent activities the RG has engaged into and reflect tha= t in an update of the original charter together with a work plan. You can see in the comparison, that the first part (original charter) has n= ot been changed. Thank you. Best regards, Laurent. From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 06:46 To: nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter Hi NMRG, J=E9r=F4me and I have been working on a new version of the NMRG charter to = capture better the current shape and activity of the RG. We'd like to receive comments from the community. This is on the agenda of = the session on Friday. https://docs.google.com/document/d/14eHQALG95VHE5N-YIAwH6vriKFG2WvI8d63Ttug= ZLgU/edit?usp=3Dsharing Thank you. Best regards, J=E9r=F4me & Laurent. --_000_BY5PR13MB33005C1563199A914C37D97ADB5D0BY5PR13MB3300namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello all,

 

I think the charter proposal looks fine overall.

 

One nit re: “The initial focus of the NMRG will be o= n higher-layer management services that interface with the current Internet= management framework.”  NMRG has a long tradition, so perhaps it is better to not call it “The initial focus”, bu= t to state “The current focus”, or perhaps (not ideal) “t= he initial focus of the current NMRG cycle”. 

 

Likewise the statement “The NMRG will investigate in= priority three related topics”.  This suggests that the = listed topics are in priority order, which I don’t think is correct – they are simply all topics of priority.  Perhaps rephrase to = “The NMRG will prioritize investigation of three related topics”= ;, or similar? 

 

There is one typo: “One one hand” (shou= ld be “On one hand”). 

 

Some more minor comments FWIW (feel free to ignore):=

- Third bullet item under IBN “categorize the different forms of intents an= d define what constitutes a “well-formed” intent; describe how = an intent can be expressed and what can be expressed using an intent with means such as information models, grammars, and languages.”  I think that arguably the categorization could be covered = under terminology; perhaps this bullet should simply focus on the second as= pect (how to express intent), which is a more open-ended problem to which several solutions may be put forward. 

 

Since no milestones are listed, is the Milestones se= ction still needed?  (I assume they will be defined as working group d= ocuments get adopted.) 

 

Cheers

--- Alex

 

From: nmrg <nmrg-bounces@irtf.org> O= n Behalf Of Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:17 AM
To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavagl= ia@nokia.com>; nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) <irtf-= chair@irtf.org>
Subject: Re: [nmrg] Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter

 

Hello,

 

In addition to the previous email, a few add= itional links for your convenience:

 

Also, to clarify:

  • The in= tent of the charter revision is not a complete overhaul but more to capture= more recent activities the RG has engaged into and reflect that in an upda= te of the original charter together with a work plan.

You can see in th= e comparison, that the first part (original charter) has not been changed.<= o:p>

 

Thank you.

Best regards, Laurent.

 

 

From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Sa= clay) <laurent.ciavaglia@= nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 06:46
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org=
Subject: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter

 

Hi NMRG,

 

J=E9r=F4me and I have been working on a new version of the= NMRG charter to capture better the current shape and activity of the RG.

 

We'd like to receive comments from the community. This is = on the agenda of the session on Friday.

 

https://docs.google.com/doc= ument/d/14eHQALG95VHE5N-YIAwH6vriKFG2WvI8d63TtugZLgU/edit?usp=3Dsharing=

 

Thank you.

Best regards, J=E9r=F4me & Laurent.<= /p>

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We will incorporate your co= mments. As for the milestones: You are right, milestones have not been defined yet. This is not an omissio= n, rather an open/pending point. To my knowledge it is neither a common nor established practice to define m= ilestones for RG (HRPC has one). But the possibility exists. With milestones, we (NMRG chairs) wanted to express a general planning of t= he research activities, in particular for the IBN work plan. Tis was also part of an initial discussion with Colin (IRTF Chair). Given t= he items listed in the work plan and the pace at which the RG is progressin= g, we currently think it is "challenging" to define milestones in a meaning= ful way, and not a posteriori. This is a point we will discuss with Colin on the updates of the revised ch= arter. Best regards, Laurent. From: Alexander Clemm Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 23:40 To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) ; nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) Subject: RE: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter Hello all, I think the charter proposal looks fine overall. One nit re: "The initial focus of the NMRG will be on higher-layer manageme= nt services that interface with the current Internet management framework."= NMRG has a long tradition, so perhaps it is better to not call it "The in= itial focus", but to state "The current focus", or perhaps (not ideal) "the= initial focus of the current NMRG cycle". Likewise the statement "The NMRG will investigate in priority three related= topics". This suggests that the listed topics are in priority order, whic= h I don't think is correct - they are simply all topics of priority. Perha= ps rephrase to "The NMRG will prioritize investigation of three related top= ics", or similar? There is one typo: "One one hand" (should be "On one hand"). Some more minor comments FWIW (feel free to ignore): - Third bullet item under IBN "categorize the different forms of intents an= d define what constitutes a "well-formed" intent; describe how an intent ca= n be expressed and what can be expressed using an intent with means such as= information models, grammars, and languages." I think that arguably the c= ategorization could be covered under terminology; perhaps this bullet shoul= d simply focus on the second aspect (how to express intent), which is a mor= e open-ended problem to which several solutions may be put forward. Since no milestones are listed, is the Milestones section still needed? (I= assume they will be defined as working group documents get adopted.) Cheers --- Alex From: nmrg > On Behalf = Of Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:17 AM To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) >; nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-cha= ir@irtf.org) > Subject: Re: [nmrg] Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter Hello, In addition to the previous email, a few additional links for your convenie= nce: * Version -01 of NMRG charter: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e84-= M4DEDi-LCXjLG0Wf0JhbPXVcIPm2hnFFIQPrkro/edit?usp=3Dsharing * Comparison between version -01 and -02: https://docs.google.com/docum= ent/d/19xidbplhn5gPr41QdeXBTh2WLhoA9kbhNieZiSh0Uyk/edit?usp=3Dsharing Also, to clarify: * The intent of the charter revision is not a complete overhaul but mor= e to capture more recent activities the RG has engaged into and reflect tha= t in an update of the original charter together with a work plan. You can see in the comparison, that the first part (original charter) has n= ot been changed. Thank you. Best regards, Laurent. From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 06:46 To: nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter Hi NMRG, J=E9r=F4me and I have been working on a new version of the NMRG charter to = capture better the current shape and activity of the RG. We'd like to receive comments from the community. This is on the agenda of = the session on Friday. https://docs.google.com/document/d/14eHQALG95VHE5N-YIAwH6vriKFG2WvI8d63Ttug= ZLgU/edit?usp=3Dsharing Thank you. Best regards, J=E9r=F4me & Laurent. --_000_PR1PR07MB4891B59A5BC455CA7A9408F3F35D0PR1PR07MB4891eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you Alex for the feedback on the= charter. We will incorporate your comments.

 

As for the milestones:

You are right, milestones have not bee= n defined yet. This is not an omission, rather an open/pending point.<= /o:p>

To my knowledge it is neither a common= nor established practice to define milestones for RG (HRPC has one). But t= he possibility exists.

With milestones, we (NMRG chairs) want= ed to express a general planning of the research activities, in particular = for the IBN work plan.

Tis was also part of an initial discus= sion with Colin (IRTF Chair). Given the items listed in the work plan and t= he pace at which the RG is progressing, we currently think it is "challenging" to define milestones in a meaningful w= ay, and not a posteriori.

This is a point we will discuss with C= olin on the updates of the revised charter.

 

Best regards, Laurent.

 

From: Alexander Clemm <alex@futurewei.com&= gt;
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 23:40
To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavagl= ia@nokia.com>; nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) <irtf-= chair@irtf.org>
Subject: RE: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter

 

Hello all,

 

I think the charter proposal looks fine overall.

 

One nit re: “The initial focus of the NMRG will be o= n higher-layer management services that interface with the current Internet= management framework.”  NMRG has a long tradition, so perhaps it is better to not call it “The initial focus”, bu= t to state “The current focus”, or perhaps (not ideal) “t= he initial focus of the current NMRG cycle”. 

 

Likewise the statement “The NMRG will investigate in= priority three related topics”.  This suggests that the = listed topics are in priority order, which I don’t think is correct – they are simply all topics of priority.  Perhaps rephrase to = “The NMRG will prioritize investigation of three related topics”= ;, or similar? 

 

There is one typo: “One one hand” (shou= ld be “On one hand”). 

 

Some more minor comments FWIW (feel free to ignore):=

- Third bullet item under IBN “categorize the different forms of intents an= d define what constitutes a “well-formed” intent; describe how = an intent can be expressed and what can be expressed using an intent with means such as information models, grammars, and languages.”  I think that arguably the categorization could be covered = under terminology; perhaps this bullet should simply focus on the second as= pect (how to express intent), which is a more open-ended problem to which several solutions may be put forward. 

 

Since no milestones are listed, is the Milestones se= ction still needed?  (I assume they will be defined as working group d= ocuments get adopted.) 

 

Cheers

--- Alex

 

From: nmrg <nmrg-bounces@irtf.org> On Behalf Of Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:17 AM
To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>; nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org= ; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) <irtf-chair@irtf.org> Subject: Re: [nmrg] Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter

 

Hello,

 

In addition to the previous email, a f= ew additional links for your convenience:

 

Also, to clarify:

  • = The intent of the charter revision is not a complete overhaul but more to c= apture more recent activities the RG has engaged into and reflect that in a= n update of the original charter together with a work plan.

You can see= in the comparison, that the first part (original charter) has not been cha= nged.

 

Thank you.

Best regards, Laurent.

 

 

From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Sa= clay) <laurent.ciavaglia@= nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 06:46
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org=
Subject: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter

 

Hi NMRG,

 

J=E9r=F4me and I have been working on a new version = of the NMRG charter to capture better the current shape and activity of the= RG.

 

We'd like to receive comments from the community. Th= is is on the agenda of the session on Friday.

 

https://docs.google.c= om/document/d/14eHQALG95VHE5N-YIAwH6vriKFG2WvI8d63TtugZLgU/edit?usp=3Dshari= ng

 

Thank you.

Best regards, J=E9r=F4me & Laurent.

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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mitre.org; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; s=selector1; bh=xw1TzT8V/5gKMhMadtZpBgA9As5X3iAr4rb83m438wc=; b=fPW3MzCk4Zb8uQYkzkTifzLyOuBhdiWy2DkqwJJGEWvcnaicodMQNrOjEzvHOulleL0LC4RKCQ1juAVU5IZQPPD+UqvZdVqv9+jK8hRi2l2NxEjiWDSUfFCrI7JMEFRGl55p76dyKP39I59YkdFN/a+UYflxPB+TlHxGTB5nkLA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] [EXT] Re: Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 06:58:42 -0000 I would like to add that the extremely brief section on the Policy Continuu= m in the draft seems superfluous in light of its brevity and consequent ove= r-simplification. (If John Strassner feels otherwise, then please ignore my= comments here!) While the existing text is a reasonable facsimile of early descriptions of = the Policy Continuum, as thought developed the concept matured: E.g., "The = Policy Continuum - Policy authoring and conflict analysis" (2008), http://b= rendanjennings.net/papers/2008_COMCOM_SDavy_et_al_published.pdf, esp. sec. = 2.1.4, but most of the rest of the paper is essential to a useful level of = understanding.=20 Alas, at some point the Policy Continuum concept seems to have fallen relat= ively dormant. Regardless, wrt the discussion topic at hand, I believe that= several points must be considered: - Non-person entity "actors" as policy authors will be essential to transla= tion of policy expressions in the Intent-based operating model. - It is (and always has been) the translation of policies across levels. Th= e translation activity is what makes the model a continuum as opposed to (o= nly) a set of interworking differentiated layers. - Applying Intent-based policy expression adds a distinct dimension to oper= ation of the Policy Continuum ... this new dimension is compatible with exi= sting common understanding of the Policy Continuum but introduces additiona= l translations at some layers. So, I think it's necessary to cover the Policy Continuum (by whatever name = might be preferable today, if that term is out of vogue) in an explanation = of Intent-based policy implementation. I am not sure it belongs in a docume= nt defining Intent classification. And it almost certainly does not fit int= o this particular draft in its present form. I do see the connection you ar= e presumably making with your Intent User and Intent Type breakouts and the= Policy Continuum but (to coin a phrase?) it's "too little too early" to ad= d any real value. FWIW (from a lurker), BobN -----Original Message----- From: nmrg On Behalf Of Sch=F6nw=E4lder, J=FCrgen Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 4:25 PM To: J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; nmrg@irtf.org Subject: [EXT] Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classifica= tion-02 I am still not sure what the value of this document is. What is the insight= that these big tables deliver? How do they help doing ultimately better wo= rk in the IETF? I am sure I will get some answer quickly from the authors but what I am say= ing is that I prefer to see the value of this document very clearly explain= ed in the document before adopting it. Note that I also expect that this do= cument would align with the other document defining intent concepts and ter= minology. Perhaps this is more intended like a survey paper but then it has= gone a bit in the wrong direction since a decent survey would explain how = intent is defined and used in concrete projects (hint: lots of concrete des= criptions and references) and then you would classify things. But right now= , we have big tables with empty cells or cells with text that seems to come= from rather unknown sources. For the above reasons, I do not support adoption at this point in time. /js On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 06:24:44PM +0100, J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > We recently received an RG adoption request for > draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 > (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt) >=20 > Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or=20 > if you think it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed=20 > comments to support your opinion and send them on the mailing list. >=20 > This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 2= 019. >=20 > The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are=20 > detailed > here:=20 > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU >=20 > Best regards > NMRG chairs > Laurent & J=E9r=F4me >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ nmrg mailing list nmrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From nobody Wed Dec 4 23:24:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2651200F5 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:24:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URI_TRY_3LD=0.689] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ieee.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ObjdF5XdNlAP for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi1-x234.google.com (mail-oi1-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 552CE1200E7 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-x234.google.com with SMTP id a67so1838801oib.6 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 23:23:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ieee.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=06P/BvwyIEN5zHLOyVUCf7bTu3D1hu391ZTFEaPDKV0=; b=UMF8pnIABQQWPhozGas4/mOXdqKMs+aILFkc4BNhy1WTZbD589oxUaSlbcP1egBx5/ cNxedoxsKR9gxqEdz6zEsBaqqmQE78Ciinp1+yDADu90yfrv9eQgCNA9+vBAPugQjePK FvgBKwF73Sb3N5pO7Yimv1ao7aPcBuX3CIe+U= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=06P/BvwyIEN5zHLOyVUCf7bTu3D1hu391ZTFEaPDKV0=; b=n1EiV12cSqm/5y/5NnAna1fQuFOdCIkcQ/k4G+Kq28b4DPoDu3lSpSD78SqLVzBOBA Uj8pjlMElIKbBEW+RXZB8aa2bbYuRLg3oB7T7gIbwLrwpg1EpWuqxhqus1/TBBlQ6d82 gBoXcJKK60tRpCVTB7OIdC4rPrZVFZmDbgfMWR+e0AK4h4D9ftSk7IxH3pIpkyXsNN3q YmFKY3UHM7cBlh/9R4L1TN3USEPZyMPpSi90tZpJnlU8gVEjZCwJwL1b1guI6uXqqSfI B0zEwZPdY61mMbV1MnziXaePHBVq7rphORBV4OThJaUfWQqyNk9syUz2g5N/bw8V4FMp SlWA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWEULNbgpu2EFtdZ/o6C0J+mGIS+MU9tM/KQRRR4rFOYWWmpVjb Pfl+mKEUMQ0BmQzRfzRNeY/HyyzLjdnJCOohSJlrKw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxyVR8NGXRkmRmvkRolUvol29ynfR0a+I8rNxwopg7BuZWXlxboJg+0Hn4JBebOE0AjGVhySKJSYsg+AEsDmN0= X-Received: by 2002:aca:72cd:: with SMTP id p196mr5634741oic.99.1575530637356; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 23:23:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Vishnu Ram OV Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 12:53:31 +0530 Message-ID: To: "Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" Cc: Alexander Clemm , "nmrg@irtf.org" , "nmrg-chairs@irtf.org" , "irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f90fd40598efcfab" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 07:24:01 -0000 --000000000000f90fd40598efcfab Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, Thanks for asking feedback. I support the charter. I can also say (from my personal experience) that some of the work items are quite interesting to ITU FG ML5G that I work with. Comments - if the group sees sufficient interest, we can add the AI challenge, that we discussed separately, as one of the possible work items under network artificial intelligence topics? Thanks, Vishnu whatsapp: +91 9844178052 Skype: vishnubright_1 WeChat: Vishnu-Ram-OV FB Messenger: Vishnu.Ram.OV https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Vishnu_Ov/projects On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 4:23 AM Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) wrote: > Thank you Alex for the feedback on the charter. We will incorporate your > comments. > > > > As for the milestones: > > You are right, milestones have not been defined yet. This is not an > omission, rather an open/pending point. > > To my knowledge it is neither a common nor established practice to define > milestones for RG (HRPC has one). But the possibility exists. > > With milestones, we (NMRG chairs) wanted to express a general planning of > the research activities, in particular for the IBN work plan. > > Tis was also part of an initial discussion with Colin (IRTF Chair). Given > the items listed in the work plan and the pace at which the RG is > progressing, we currently think it is "challenging" to define milestones = in > a meaningful way, and not a posteriori. > > This is a point we will discuss with Colin on the updates of the revised > charter. > > > > Best regards, Laurent. > > > > *From:* Alexander Clemm > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 4, 2019 23:40 > *To:* Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) < > laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>; nmrg@irtf.org > *Cc:* nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) < > irtf-chair@irtf.org> > *Subject:* RE: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter > > > > Hello all, > > > > I think the charter proposal looks fine overall. > > > > One nit re: =E2=80=9CThe initial focus of the NMRG will be on higher-laye= r > management services that interface with the current Internet management > framework.=E2=80=9D NMRG has a long tradition, so perhaps it is better t= o not > call it =E2=80=9CThe initial focus=E2=80=9D, but to state =E2=80=9CThe cu= rrent focus=E2=80=9D, or perhaps > (not ideal) =E2=80=9Cthe initial focus of the current NMRG cycle=E2=80=9D= . > > > > Likewise the statement =E2=80=9CThe NMRG will investigate in priority thr= ee > related topics=E2=80=9D. This suggests that the listed topics are in pri= ority > order, which I don=E2=80=99t think is correct =E2=80=93 they are simply a= ll topics of > priority. Perhaps rephrase to =E2=80=9CThe NMRG will prioritize investig= ation of > three related topics=E2=80=9D, or similar? > > > > There is one typo: =E2=80=9COne one hand=E2=80=9D (should be =E2=80=9COn = one hand=E2=80=9D). > > > > Some more minor comments FWIW (feel free to ignore): > > - Third bullet item under IBN =E2=80=9Ccategorize the different forms of = intents > and define what constitutes a =E2=80=9Cwell-formed=E2=80=9D intent; descr= ibe how an intent > can be expressed and what can be expressed using an intent with means suc= h > as information models, grammars, and languages.=E2=80=9D I think that ar= guably > the categorization could be covered under terminology; perhaps this bulle= t > should simply focus on the second aspect (how to express intent), which i= s > a more open-ended problem to which several solutions may be put forward. > > > > Since no milestones are listed, is the Milestones section still needed? > (I assume they will be defined as working group documents get adopted.) > > > > Cheers > > --- Alex > > > > *From:* nmrg *On Behalf Of *Ciavaglia, Laurent > (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:17 AM > *To:* Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) < > laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>; nmrg@irtf.org > *Cc:* nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) < > irtf-chair@irtf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [nmrg] Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter > > > > Hello, > > > > In addition to the previous email, a few additional links for your > convenience: > > - Version -01 of NMRG charter: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e84-M4DEDi-LCXjLG0Wf0JhbPXVcIPm2hn= FFIQPrkro/edit?usp=3Dsharing > > - Comparison between version -01 and -02: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/19xidbplhn5gPr41QdeXBTh2WLhoA9kbhNi= eZiSh0Uyk/edit?usp=3Dsharing > > > > > Also, to clarify: > > - The intent of the charter revision is not a complete overhaul but > more to capture more recent activities the RG has engaged into and ref= lect > that in an update of the original charter together with a work plan. > > You can see in the comparison, that the first part (original charter) has > not been changed. > > > > Thank you. > > Best regards, Laurent. > > > > > > *From:* Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) < > laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2019 06:46 > *To:* nmrg@irtf.org > *Cc:* nmrg-chairs@irtf.org > *Subject:* Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter > > > > Hi NMRG, > > > > J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me and I have been working on a new version of the NMRG cha= rter to > capture better the current shape and activity of the RG. > > > > We'd like to receive comments from the community. This is on the agenda o= f > the session on Friday. > > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/14eHQALG95VHE5N-YIAwH6vriKFG2WvI8d63Tt= ugZLgU/edit?usp=3Dsharing > > > > > Thank you. > > Best regards, J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me & Laurent. > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg > --000000000000f90fd40598efcfab Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All,

Thanks for asking feedback. = I support the charter.
I can also say (from my personal experienc= e) that some of the work items are quite interesting to ITU FG ML5G that I = work with.

Comments -
if the group sees sufficient = interest, we can add the AI challenge, that we discussed separately, as one= of the possible work items under network artificial intelligence topics?

=
Thanks,
Vishnu
whatsapp: += 91 9844178052
Skype: vishnubright_1
WeChat:= Vishnu-Ram-OV
FB Messenger: Vishnu.Ram.OV


On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 4:23 AM Ciavaglia, Lau= rent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com> wrote:

Thank you Alex for the feedback = on the charter. We will incorporate your comments.

=C2=A0

As for the milestones:=

You are right, milestones have n= ot been defined yet. This is not an omission, rather an open/pending point.=

To my knowledge it is neither a = common nor established practice to define milestones for RG (HRPC has one).= But the possibility exists.

With milestones, we (NMRG chairs= ) wanted to express a general planning of the research activities, in parti= cular for the IBN work plan.

Tis was also part of an initial = discussion with Colin (IRTF Chair). Given the items listed in the work plan= and the pace at which the RG is progressing, we currently think it is "challenging" to define milestones in a meaningful w= ay, and not a posteriori.

This is a point we will discuss = with Colin on the updates of the revised charter.

=C2=A0

Best regards, Laurent.=

=C2=A0

From: Alexander Clemm <alex@futurewei.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 23:40
To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.c= om>; nmrg@irtf.or= g
Cc: nmrg-c= hairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) <irtf-chair@irtf.org>
Subject: RE: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter<= /p>

=C2=A0

Hello all,

=C2=A0

I think the charter proposal looks fine overall.<= /u>

=C2=A0

One nit re: =E2=80=9CThe initial focus of the NMRG will be on higher-l= ayer management services that interface with the current Internet managemen= t framework.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 NMRG has a long tradition, so perhaps it is better to not call it =E2=80=9CThe initial focus=E2=80=9D= , but to state =E2=80=9CThe current focus=E2=80=9D, or perhaps (not ideal) = =E2=80=9Cthe initial focus of the current NMRG cycle=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Likewise the statement =E2=80=9CThe NMRG will investigate in priority = three related topics=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 This suggests that the listed t= opics are in priority order, which I don=E2=80=99t think is correct =E2=80=93 they are simply all topics of priority.=C2=A0 Perhaps rephrase t= o =E2=80=9CThe NMRG will prioritize investigation of three related topics= =E2=80=9D, or similar?=C2=A0

=C2=A0

There is one typo: =E2=80=9COne one hand=E2=80=9D (should be = =E2=80=9COn one hand=E2=80=9D).=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Some more minor comments FWIW (feel free to ignore):=

- Third bullet item under IBN =E2=80=9Ccategorize the different forms of intents and define w= hat constitutes a =E2=80=9Cwell-formed=E2=80=9D intent; describe how an int= ent can be expressed and what can be expressed using an intent with means such as information models, grammars, and languages.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 I think that arguably the categorization could be covere= d under terminology; perhaps this bullet should simply focus on the second = aspect (how to express intent), which is a more open-ended problem to which several solutions may be put forward.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Since no milestones are listed, is the Milestones se= ction still needed?=C2=A0 (I assume they will be defined as working group d= ocuments get adopted.)=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Cheers

--- Alex

=C2=A0

From: nmrg <nmrg-bounces@irtf.org> On Behalf Of Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:17 AM
To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.c= om>; nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-c= hairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) <irtf-chair@irtf.org>
Subject: Re: [nmrg] Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter<= u>

=C2=A0

Hello,

=C2=A0

In addition to the previous email= , a few additional links for your convenience:

=C2=A0

Also, to clarify:

  • Th= e intent of the charter revision is not a complete overhaul but more to cap= ture more recent activities the RG has engaged into and reflect that in an = update of the original charter together with a work plan.

You c= an see in the comparison, that the first part (original charter) has not be= en changed.

=C2=A0

Thank you.

Best regards, Laurent.<= /u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Sa= clay) <= laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 06:46
To: nmrg@irtf.org=
Cc: nmrg-c= hairs@irtf.org
Subject: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter

=C2=A0

Hi NMRG,

=C2=A0

J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me and I have been working on a new vers= ion of the NMRG charter to capture better the current shape and activity of= the RG.

=C2=A0

We'd like to receive comments from the community. = This is on the agenda of the session on Friday.

=C2=A0

https= ://docs.google.com/document/d/14eHQALG95VHE5N-YIAwH6vriKFG2WvI8d63TtugZLgU/= edit?usp=3Dsharing

=C2=A0

Thank you.

Best regards, J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me & Laurent.

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Thanks for your efforts to update the NMRG charter. I think the proposed charter looks good and I support it. I would like to emphasize the network artificial intelligence topic and it is very welcome to find the topic is included in the revised charter. I have been involved in the discussion of network artificial intelligence from NMLRG(Network Machine Learning Research Group) and IDNET(Intelligent Defined Network) from 2015. From that, we have spend lots of time and effort to progress the topic but it is not easy to make a progress. Currently, I believe that the NMRG is an outstanding place to develop the network artificial intelligence topic and we can identify many interest of the topics from participants in IETF meetings. To efficiently develop the network artificial intelligence topic in the NMRG, it is better to have more specific and practical goals such as priority of candidate items and scheduling of each item. Best regards. Yong-Geun. On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 4:24 PM Vishnu Ram OV wrote: > Hello All, > > Thanks for asking feedback. I support the charter. > I can also say (from my personal experience) that some of the work items > are quite interesting to ITU FG ML5G that I work with. > > Comments - > if the group sees sufficient interest, we can add the AI challenge, that > we discussed separately, as one of the possible work items under network > artificial intelligence topics? > > Thanks, > Vishnu > whatsapp: +91 9844178052 > Skype: vishnubright_1 > WeChat: Vishnu-Ram-OV > FB Messenger: Vishnu.Ram.OV > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Vishnu_Ov/projects > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 4:23 AM Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - > FR/Paris-Saclay) wrote: > >> Thank you Alex for the feedback on the charter. We will incorporate your >> comments. >> >> >> >> As for the milestones: >> >> You are right, milestones have not been defined yet. This is not an >> omission, rather an open/pending point. >> >> To my knowledge it is neither a common nor established practice to defin= e >> milestones for RG (HRPC has one). But the possibility exists. >> >> With milestones, we (NMRG chairs) wanted to express a general planning o= f >> the research activities, in particular for the IBN work plan. >> >> Tis was also part of an initial discussion with Colin (IRTF Chair). Give= n >> the items listed in the work plan and the pace at which the RG is >> progressing, we currently think it is "challenging" to define milestones= in >> a meaningful way, and not a posteriori. >> >> This is a point we will discuss with Colin on the updates of the revised >> charter. >> >> >> >> Best regards, Laurent. >> >> >> >> *From:* Alexander Clemm >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 4, 2019 23:40 >> *To:* Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) < >> laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>; nmrg@irtf.org >> *Cc:* nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) < >> irtf-chair@irtf.org> >> *Subject:* RE: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter >> >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> I think the charter proposal looks fine overall. >> >> >> >> One nit re: =E2=80=9CThe initial focus of the NMRG will be on higher-lay= er >> management services that interface with the current Internet management >> framework.=E2=80=9D NMRG has a long tradition, so perhaps it is better = to not >> call it =E2=80=9CThe initial focus=E2=80=9D, but to state =E2=80=9CThe c= urrent focus=E2=80=9D, or perhaps >> (not ideal) =E2=80=9Cthe initial focus of the current NMRG cycle=E2=80= =9D. >> >> >> >> Likewise the statement =E2=80=9CThe NMRG will investigate in priority th= ree >> related topics=E2=80=9D. This suggests that the listed topics are in pr= iority >> order, which I don=E2=80=99t think is correct =E2=80=93 they are simply = all topics of >> priority. Perhaps rephrase to =E2=80=9CThe NMRG will prioritize investi= gation of >> three related topics=E2=80=9D, or similar? >> >> >> >> There is one typo: =E2=80=9COne one hand=E2=80=9D (should be =E2=80=9COn= one hand=E2=80=9D). >> >> >> >> Some more minor comments FWIW (feel free to ignore): >> >> - Third bullet item under IBN =E2=80=9Ccategorize the different forms of= intents >> and define what constitutes a =E2=80=9Cwell-formed=E2=80=9D intent; desc= ribe how an intent >> can be expressed and what can be expressed using an intent with means su= ch >> as information models, grammars, and languages.=E2=80=9D I think that a= rguably >> the categorization could be covered under terminology; perhaps this bull= et >> should simply focus on the second aspect (how to express intent), which = is >> a more open-ended problem to which several solutions may be put forward. >> >> >> >> Since no milestones are listed, is the Milestones section still needed? >> (I assume they will be defined as working group documents get adopted.) >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> --- Alex >> >> >> >> *From:* nmrg *On Behalf Of *Ciavaglia, Laurent >> (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:17 AM >> *To:* Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) < >> laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>; nmrg@irtf.org >> *Cc:* nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) < >> irtf-chair@irtf.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [nmrg] Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> In addition to the previous email, a few additional links for your >> convenience: >> >> - Version -01 of NMRG charter: >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e84-M4DEDi-LCXjLG0Wf0JhbPXVcIPm2h= nFFIQPrkro/edit?usp=3Dsharing >> >> - Comparison between version -01 and -02: >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19xidbplhn5gPr41QdeXBTh2WLhoA9kbhN= ieZiSh0Uyk/edit?usp=3Dsharing >> >> >> >> >> Also, to clarify: >> >> - The intent of the charter revision is not a complete overhaul but >> more to capture more recent activities the RG has engaged into and re= flect >> that in an update of the original charter together with a work plan. >> >> You can see in the comparison, that the first part (original charter) ha= s >> not been changed. >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> Best regards, Laurent. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) < >> laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2019 06:46 >> *To:* nmrg@irtf.org >> *Cc:* nmrg-chairs@irtf.org >> *Subject:* Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter >> >> >> >> Hi NMRG, >> >> >> >> J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me and I have been working on a new version of the NMRG ch= arter to >> capture better the current shape and activity of the RG. >> >> >> >> We'd like to receive comments from the community. This is on the agenda >> of the session on Friday. >> >> >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/14eHQALG95VHE5N-YIAwH6vriKFG2WvI8d63T= tugZLgU/edit?usp=3Dsharing >> >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> Best regards, J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me & Laurent. >> _______________________________________________ >> nmrg mailing list >> nmrg@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg >> > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg > --0000000000009d44ae0598f13be2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0Dears.=C2=A0

Thanks for your effo= rts to update the NMRG charter.=C2=A0
I think the proposed charter looks= good and I support it.

I would like to emphasize = the network artificial intelligence topic and it is very welcome to find th= e topic is included in the revised charter.
I have been involved= =C2=A0in the discussion of network artificial=C2=A0intelligence from NMLRG(= Network Machine Learning Research Group) and
IDNET(Intelligent Defined = Network) from 2015. From that, we have spend lots of time and effort to pro= gress the topic but it is not easy to make a progress.
Currently,= I believe that the NMRG is an outstanding place to develop the network art= ificial intelligence topic and we can identify=C2=A0many interest of the to= pics=C2=A0
from participants in IETF meetings.

To efficiently develop the network artificial=C2=A0intelligence topi= c in the NMRG, it is better to have more specific and practical goals such = as priority=C2=A0of candidate items=C2=A0
and scheduling of each = item.=C2=A0

Best=C2=A0regards.

Yong-Geun.



On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at = 4:24 PM Vishnu Ram OV <vishnu.n@iee= e.org> wrote:
Hello All,

Thanks for asking feedb= ack. I support the charter.
I can also say (from my personal expe= rience) that some of the work items are quite interesting to ITU FG ML5G th= at I work with.

Comments -
if the group sees suffic= ient interest, we can add the AI challenge, that we discussed separately, a= s one of the possible work items under network artificial intelligence topi= cs?

Thanks,
Vishnu
whatsapp: +91 9844178052
Skype: vishnubright_= 1
WeChat: Vishnu-Ram-OV
FB Messenger: Vishnu.Ram.OV
=


On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 4:23= AM Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com&= gt; wrote:

Thank you Alex for the feedback = on the charter. We will incorporate your comments.

=C2=A0

As for the milestones:=

You are right, milestones have n= ot been defined yet. This is not an omission, rather an open/pending point.=

To my knowledge it is neither a = common nor established practice to define milestones for RG (HRPC has one).= But the possibility exists.

With milestones, we (NMRG chairs= ) wanted to express a general planning of the research activities, in parti= cular for the IBN work plan.

Tis was also part of an initial = discussion with Colin (IRTF Chair). Given the items listed in the work plan= and the pace at which the RG is progressing, we currently think it is "challenging" to define milestones in a meaningful w= ay, and not a posteriori.

This is a point we will discuss = with Colin on the updates of the revised charter.

=C2=A0

Best regards, Laurent.=

=C2=A0

From: Alexander Clemm <alex@futurewei.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 23:40
To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.c= om>; nmrg@irtf.or= g
Cc: nmrg-c= hairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) <irtf-chair@irtf.org>
Subject: RE: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter<= /p>

=C2=A0

Hello all,

=C2=A0

I think the charter proposal looks fine overall.<= /u>

=C2=A0

One nit re: =E2=80=9CThe initial focus of the NMRG will be on higher-l= ayer management services that interface with the current Internet managemen= t framework.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 NMRG has a long tradition, so perhaps it is better to not call it =E2=80=9CThe initial focus=E2=80=9D= , but to state =E2=80=9CThe current focus=E2=80=9D, or perhaps (not ideal) = =E2=80=9Cthe initial focus of the current NMRG cycle=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Likewise the statement =E2=80=9CThe NMRG will investigate in priority = three related topics=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 This suggests that the listed t= opics are in priority order, which I don=E2=80=99t think is correct =E2=80=93 they are simply all topics of priority.=C2=A0 Perhaps rephrase t= o =E2=80=9CThe NMRG will prioritize investigation of three related topics= =E2=80=9D, or similar?=C2=A0

=C2=A0

There is one typo: =E2=80=9COne one hand=E2=80=9D (should be = =E2=80=9COn one hand=E2=80=9D).=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Some more minor comments FWIW (feel free to ignore):=

- Third bullet item under IBN =E2=80=9Ccategorize the different forms of intents and define w= hat constitutes a =E2=80=9Cwell-formed=E2=80=9D intent; describe how an int= ent can be expressed and what can be expressed using an intent with means such as information models, grammars, and languages.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 I think that arguably the categorization could be covere= d under terminology; perhaps this bullet should simply focus on the second = aspect (how to express intent), which is a more open-ended problem to which several solutions may be put forward.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Since no milestones are listed, is the Milestones se= ction still needed?=C2=A0 (I assume they will be defined as working group d= ocuments get adopted.)=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Cheers

--- Alex

=C2=A0

From: nmrg <nmrg-bounces@irtf.org> On Behalf Of Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:17 AM
To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.c= om>; nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-c= hairs@irtf.org; irtf-chair (irtf-chair@irtf.org) <irtf-chair@irtf.org>
Subject: Re: [nmrg] Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter<= u>

=C2=A0

Hello,

=C2=A0

In addition to the previous email= , a few additional links for your convenience:

=C2=A0

Also, to clarify:

  • Th= e intent of the charter revision is not a complete overhaul but more to cap= ture more recent activities the RG has engaged into and reflect that in an = update of the original charter together with a work plan.

You c= an see in the comparison, that the first part (original charter) has not be= en changed.

=C2=A0

Thank you.

Best regards, Laurent.<= /u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Sa= clay) <= laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 06:46
To: nmrg@irtf.org=
Cc: nmrg-c= hairs@irtf.org
Subject: Comments welcome on revised NMRG charter

=C2=A0

Hi NMRG,

=C2=A0

J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me and I have been working on a new vers= ion of the NMRG charter to capture better the current shape and activity of= the RG.

=C2=A0

We'd like to receive comments from the community. = This is on the agenda of the session on Friday.

=C2=A0

https= ://docs.google.com/document/d/14eHQALG95VHE5N-YIAwH6vriKFG2WvI8d63TtugZLgU/= edit?usp=3Dsharing

=C2=A0

Thank you.

Best regards, J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me & Laurent.

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05 Dec 2019 06:35:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0fcdbe0e-90ad-0c62-eae3-021c131c70df@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: From: Christian Esteve Rothenberg Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 11:35:31 -0300 Message-ID: To: "Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" Cc: Alexander Clemm , Jeff Tantsura , "nmrg@irtf.org" , =?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= , "nmrg-chairs@irtf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 14:35:47 -0000 As an RG observer, I find the document useful and contributes with a comprehensive introduction of concepts on IBN, a very much needed milestone for the community. Therefore, +1 support on RG adoption On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 11:28 AM Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm co-author of the document, and supports its adoption as RG document. > > > > As RG participant, I think the document helps to provide clarity in the f= ield of intent-based networking and brings in useful definitions. > > > > As expressed at IETF 106, some updates are planned to further improve the= document quality and completeness. > > > > Best regards, Laurent. > > > > From: Alexander Clemm > Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 23:42 > To: Jeff Tantsura ; nmrg@irtf.org; J=C3=A9r=C3= =B4me Fran=C3=A7ois > Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org > Subject: RE: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03 > > > > +1. Support as co-author. > > I think the document is framed well enough and has been sufficiently disc= ussed to warrant adoption. > > --- Alex > > > > From: nmrg On Behalf Of Jeff Tantsura > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 12:48 PM > To: nmrg@irtf.org; J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois > Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org > Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03 > > > > Support as co-author > > > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > On Dec 4, 2019, 9:28 AM -0800, J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois , wrote: > > Dear all, > > We recently received an RG adoption request for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-int= ent-03 > (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03.txt) > > Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if y= ou think > it should not be adopted. 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<151f01d5ab97$e6e0c800$b4a25800$@metacomm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQLLQKDxfFsRDEyZ9HNPVBrt/e5XbQKReFJnAja4CXulmmjpoA== Content-Language: en-us X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A09020A.5DE9491F.005D, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=LsrsNUVc c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=2nelxLL2xFET0wkZT49gMg==:117 a=2nelxLL2xFET0wkZT49gMg==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=YlDpyLmHAAAA:8 a=2zp_FAXrAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=j3Z76cjpAAAA:8 a=HA_yExaDQBH7dApoBVgA:9 a=1l-pfYN0-q8oozhN:21 a=A4srARWscENMtBAq:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=FvgKqOQ44qUA:10 a=JrSEOxZJtCQA:10 a=b8JMZCziOpAKS7Zkn1Js:22 a=iRgQOf3gPSJ9iAWTv0SR:22 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 a=9ZYBcOd_X9kS2t7VFny2:22 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] [EXT] Re: Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 18:15:03 -0000 While I have followed some of the various discussions here over the past decades, I am not sure whether my 2 cents on this subject is = appropriate or not. However, I have done quite a bit of research, system design and implementation synonymous with "intent" intent over this period of = time and feel compelled to comment. =20 My perspective is that intent is application/domain specific and can = only be abstracted from a knowledgebase specific to that application/domain. = This abstraction should be formal and not fluff.=20 As such, I feel this document just further muddies the waters with unnecessary and arbitrary new definitions and I would not promote it further. Branislav -----Original Message----- From: nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Natale, Bob Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 10:58 PM To: J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; nmrg@irtf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] [EXT] Re: Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 Importance: Low I would like to add that the extremely brief section on the Policy = Continuum in the draft seems superfluous in light of its brevity and consequent over-simplification. (If John Strassner feels otherwise, then please = ignore my comments here!) While the existing text is a reasonable facsimile of early descriptions = of the Policy Continuum, as thought developed the concept matured: E.g., = "The Policy Continuum - Policy authoring and conflict analysis" (2008), http://brendanjennings.net/papers/2008_COMCOM_SDavy_et_al_published.pdf, esp. sec. 2.1.4, but most of the rest of the paper is essential to a = useful level of understanding.=20 Alas, at some point the Policy Continuum concept seems to have fallen relatively dormant. Regardless, wrt the discussion topic at hand, I = believe that several points must be considered: - Non-person entity "actors" as policy authors will be essential to translation of policy expressions in the Intent-based operating model. - It is (and always has been) the translation of policies across levels. = The translation activity is what makes the model a continuum as opposed to (only) a set of interworking differentiated layers. - Applying Intent-based policy expression adds a distinct dimension to operation of the Policy Continuum ... this new dimension is compatible = with existing common understanding of the Policy Continuum but introduces additional translations at some layers. So, I think it's necessary to cover the Policy Continuum (by whatever = name might be preferable today, if that term is out of vogue) in an = explanation of Intent-based policy implementation. I am not sure it belongs in a document defining Intent classification. And it almost certainly does = not fit into this particular draft in its present form. I do see the = connection you are presumably making with your Intent User and Intent Type = breakouts and the Policy Continuum but (to coin a phrase?) it's "too little too = early" to add any real value. FWIW (from a lurker), BobN -----Original Message----- From: nmrg On Behalf Of Sch=F6nw=E4lder, = J=FCrgen Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 4:25 PM To: J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; nmrg@irtf.org Subject: [EXT] Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 I am still not sure what the value of this document is. What is the = insight that these big tables deliver? How do they help doing ultimately better = work in the IETF? I am sure I will get some answer quickly from the authors but what I am saying is that I prefer to see the value of this document very clearly explained in the document before adopting it. Note that I also expect = that this document would align with the other document defining intent = concepts and terminology. Perhaps this is more intended like a survey paper but = then it has gone a bit in the wrong direction since a decent survey would = explain how intent is defined and used in concrete projects (hint: lots of = concrete descriptions and references) and then you would classify things. But = right now, we have big tables with empty cells or cells with text that seems = to come from rather unknown sources. For the above reasons, I do not support adoption at this point in time. /js On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 06:24:44PM +0100, J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > We recently received an RG adoption request for > draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 > (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt) >=20 > Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or=20 > if you think it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed=20 > comments to support your opinion and send them on the mailing list. >=20 > This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 = December 2019. >=20 > The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are=20 > detailed > here:=20 > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU >=20 > Best regards > NMRG chairs > Laurent & J=E9r=F4me >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ nmrg mailing list nmrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg _______________________________________________ nmrg mailing list nmrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From nobody Thu Dec 5 10:39:18 2019 Return-Path: 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List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 03:38:31 -0000 Dear all, I'm adding myself to support the adoption of this RG document. Regards, Pedro -- Pedro Martinez-Julia Network Science and Convergence Device Technology Laboratory Network System Research Institute National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT) 4-2-1, Nukui-Kitamachi, Koganei, Tokyo 184-8795, Japan Email: pedro@nict.go.jp --------------------------------------------------------- *** Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem *** From nobody Thu Dec 5 21:04:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC9012001A; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 21:04:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.169 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.169 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11YJd3MGoh15; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 21:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95BD2120013; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 21:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB70548056; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 06:04:15 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id A0A9C440055; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 06:04:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 06:04:15 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: J?r?me Fran?ois Cc: "nmrg@irtf.org" , "nmrg-chairs@irtf.org" Message-ID: <20191206050415.GA20606@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <0fcdbe0e-90ad-0c62-eae3-021c131c70df@inria.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <0fcdbe0e-90ad-0c62-eae3-021c131c70df@inria.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 05:04:24 -0000 +1 (support) On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 06:27:11PM +0100, J?r?me Fran?ois wrote: > Dear all, > > We recently received an RG adoption request for > draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03 > (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03.txt) > > Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if you > think it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed comments to > support your opinion and send them on the mailing list. > > This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 2019. > > The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detailed > here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU > > Best regards > NMRG chairs > Laurent & Jrme > > > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Thu Dec 5 21:57:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A293120025; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 21:56:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e59d9e05990841a6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 12:33:52 -0000 --000000000000e59d9e05990841a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a co-author, I support this draft being adopted. Thanks. Best. Jeferson Em sex, 6 de dez de 2019 09:03, Giuseppe Fioccola < giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com> escreveu: > Hi All, > I also support this draft being adopted. > Regards, > > Giuseppe > > -----Original Message----- > From: nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me F= ran=C3=A7ois > Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 6:25 PM > To: nmrg@irtf.org > Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org > Subject: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 > > Dear all, > > We recently received an RG adoption request for > draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 > (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt) > > Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if > you think it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed commen= ts > to support your opinion and send them on the mailing list. > > This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December > 2019. > > The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detaile= d > here: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU > > Best regards > NMRG chairs > Laurent & J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me > > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg > --000000000000e59d9e05990841a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A= s a co-author, I support this draft being adopted.
= Thanks.
= Best.
Jeferson

=
Em sex, 6 de dez de 2019 09:03, Giuse= ppe Fioccola <giuseppe.f= ioccola@huawei.com> escreveu:
nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of J=C3=A9r=C3= =B4me Fran=C3=A7ois
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 6:25 PM
To: n= mrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02
Dear all,

We recently received an RG adoption request for
draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02
(https://www.ietf.org/i= d/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt)

Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if you= think it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed comments to= support your opinion and send them on the mailing list.

This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 201= 9.

The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detailed = here:
https://mailarchive= .ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU

Best regards
NMRG chairs
Laurent & J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me

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--000000000000e59d9e05990841a6-- From nobody Fri Dec 6 04:44:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E83E1200FF; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 04:44:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UpjgvHw_fOBe; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 04:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4703D1200F4; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 04:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id EC48E2E081BCCD5E252D; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 12:44:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fraeml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.51) by lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.47) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 12:44:07 +0000 Received: from fraeml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.55) by fraeml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 13:44:06 +0100 Received: from fraeml706-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.112.184]) by fraeml706-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.112.184]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 13:44:06 +0100 From: Olga Havel To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6nw=E4lder=2C_J=FCrgen?= , =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Fran=E7ois?= , "Alexander Clemm" CC: "nmrg-chairs@irtf.org" , "nmrg@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 Thread-Index: AQHVqshZhkKpPTEjlUC9PG9gJ0IhHaeqbDKAgAKVVFA= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 12:44:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20191204212450.g4oiwym4ocor5b35@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> In-Reply-To: <20191204212450.g4oiwym4ocor5b35@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.206.138.163] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 12:44:14 -0000 Hi, We agreed the 2 drafts with chairs at the previous meetings. We did not hav= e any review comments about the 2 drafts overlapping during the previous re= views or meetings, it seemed to be clear. But it may be because of some thi= ngs discussed at meetings have not been documented in the drafts, so we nee= d to address this - either in this version or version 03. And I believe thi= s may be applicable to both drafts. This draft is about classification of intents based on different users of t= he network, from their perspective. This draft tries to answer what intent = types are needed for different users of the network, and it takes the appro= ach of first identifying solutions, intent users and intent types and categ= ories of intents that these users may need. This is from the abstract: "This document discusses what intent means to different stakeholders, desc= ribes different ways to classify intent, and an associated taxonomy of thi= s classification. This is a foundation for discussion of intent related top= ics." Also: "Therefore, it is important to start a discussion in the industry about wha= t intent is for different solutions and intent users. It is also imperative= to try to propose some intent categories / classifications that could be u= nderstood by a wider audience. This would help us define intent interfaces,= DSLs and models." In regards to the tables, I already mentioned in the previous email on 28/1= 1/2019, we added them as chairs considered them to be more useful than text= for classification purposes and I do agree fully. This was the main Lauren= t's comment about the previous version of the draft. They can be used for d= ifferent purposes by the group, for example: - PoCs/ Demos /Research may fill in the empty cells to identify what their = scope is - Some future drafts (e.g. intent model/DSL/API) may fill in the empty cell= s to identify their scope or priorities - discuss if some things should be considered intents or not (e.g. strateg= y intents, different opinions) and agree to remove them - identify some new intent types/ categories currently not identified - ensure that whatever intent definition is agreed (in draft-clemm-nmrg-dis= t-intent-03) is comprehensive enough to address all solutions and users of = network and intent types they require from the network to support (draft-li= -nmrg-intent-classification-02). I agree completely that we should be fully aligned and I propose that the f= urther alignment could be done after we adopt both drafts. We are talking h= ere about versions 02/03, so we obviously need more work on either. It woul= d be better to use the latest versions for further alignment, as there were= lots of changes done and we addressed lots of comments from the community. Best Regards, Olga -----Original Message----- From: nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Sch=F6nw=E4lder, J= =FCrgen Sent: Wednesday 4 December 2019 21:25 To: J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; nmrg@irtf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-0= 2 I am still not sure what the value of this document is. What is the insight= that these big tables deliver? How do they help doing ultimately better wo= rk in the IETF? I am sure I will get some answer quickly from the authors but what I am say= ing is that I prefer to see the value of this document very clearly explain= ed in the document before adopting it. Note that I also expect that this do= cument would align with the other document defining intent concepts and ter= minology. Perhaps this is more intended like a survey paper but then it has= gone a bit in the wrong direction since a decent survey would explain how = intent is defined and used in concrete projects (hint: lots of concrete des= criptions and references) and then you would classify things. But right now= , we have big tables with empty cells or cells with text that seems to come= from rather unknown sources. For the above reasons, I do not support adoption at this point in time. /js On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 06:24:44PM +0100, J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > We recently received an RG adoption request for > draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 > (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt) >=20 > Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or=20 > if you think it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed=20 > comments to support your opinion and send them on the mailing list. >=20 > This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 2= 019. >=20 > The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are=20 > detailed > here:=20 > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU >=20 > Best regards > NMRG chairs > Laurent & J=E9r=F4me >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ nmrg mailing list nmrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From nobody Fri Dec 6 04:58:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5281A120100; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 04:58:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DaZGvwwZeOHq; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 04:58:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C768F12001E; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 04:58:49 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.69,284,1571695200"; d="scan'208,217";a="419059625" Received: from unknown (HELO [193.54.15.42]) ([193.54.15.42]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 06 Dec 2019 13:58:48 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 X-Apple-Auto-Saved: 1 X-Apple-Mail-Remote-Attachments: YES From: festor X-Apple-Base-Url: x-msg://68/ In-Reply-To: X-Apple-Windows-Friendly: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 13:35:43 +0100 X-Apple-Mail-Signature: SKIP_SIGNATURE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0fcdbe0e-90ad-0c62-eae3-021c131c70df@inria.fr> X-Uniform-Type-Identifier: com.apple.mail-draft To: "nmrg-chairs@irtf.org" , "nmrg@irtf.org" , "Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 12:58:52 -0000
Same status as Christian,

I have = followed the evolution of the document from the outside. While it still = needs some typo/writing checks, the content is sound, solid and useful = for the community. So it deserves to be moved forward. +1 on my side as = well.

Best Regards

/Olivier Festor
TELECOM Nancy =


On 5 Dec 2019, at 15:35, Christian = Esteve Rothenberg <chesteve@gmail.com> wrote:

As an RG = observer, I find the document useful and contributes with = a
comprehensive introduction of concepts on IBN, a very much = needed
milestone for the community.

Therefore, +1 support on = RG adoption


On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 11:28 AM Ciavaglia, = Laurent (Nokia -
FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com> = wrote:

Hello,



I'm = co-author of the document, and supports its adoption as RG = document.



As RG participant, I think the document helps = to provide clarity in the field of intent-based networking and brings in = useful definitions.



As expressed at IETF 106, some = updates are planned to further improve the document quality and = completeness.



Best regards, Laurent.



From: = Alexander Clemm <alex@futurewei.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December = 4, 2019 23:42
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>; = nmrg@irtf.org; J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois = <jerome.francois@inria.fr>
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: = RE: [nmrg] Adoption call for = draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03



+1.  Support as = co-author.

I think the document is framed well enough and has = been sufficiently discussed to warrant adoption.

--- = Alex



From: nmrg <nmrg-bounces@irtf.org> On Behalf = Of Jeff Tantsura
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 12:48 PM
To: = nmrg@irtf.org; J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois = <jerome.francois@inria.fr>
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: = Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for = draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03



Support as = co-author



Cheers,

Jeff

On Dec 4, 2019, 9:28 = AM -0800, J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois = <jerome.francois@inria.fr>, wrote:

Dear all,

We = recently received an RG adoption request for = draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03
(https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-clemm-nm= rg-dist-intent-03.txt)

Please let us know if you support the work = becoming a RG document or if you think
it should not be adopted. In = all cases, provide detailed comments to support your
opinion and send = them on the mailing list.

This call for adoption is open for two = weeks and ends up on 19 December 2019.

The procedure for RG = document adoption and important criteria are detailed = here:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5L= GvQmU

Best regards
NMRG chairs
Laurent & = J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me


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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to the authors for putting this together. +1 from me! -Flavio Esposito -- Assistant Professor Computer Science Department & School of Engineering Saint Louis University Office: (314)-977-2434 McDonnell Douglas Hall 2015 http://www.cs.slu.edu/~esposito/ ________________________________ From: nmrg on behalf of festor Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 6:35 AM To: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org ; nmrg@irtf.org ; Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) Subject: [External] Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-inte= nt-03 Same status as Christian, I have followed the evolution of the document from the outside. While it st= ill needs some typo/writing checks, the content is sound, solid and useful = for the community. So it deserves to be moved forward. +1 on my side as wel= l. Best Regards /Olivier Festor TELECOM Nancy On 5 Dec 2019, at 15:35, Christian Esteve Rothenberg w= rote: As an RG observer, I find the document useful and contributes with a comprehensive introduction of concepts on IBN, a very much needed milestone for the community. Therefore, +1 support on RG adoption On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 11:28 AM Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) wrote: Hello, I'm co-author of the document, and supports its adoption as RG document. As RG participant, I think the document helps to provide clarity in the fie= ld of intent-based networking and brings in useful definitions. As expressed at IETF 106, some updates are planned to further improve the d= ocument quality and completeness. Best regards, Laurent. From: Alexander Clemm Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 23:42 To: Jeff Tantsura ; nmrg@irtf.org; J=E9r=F4me Fran= =E7ois Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: RE: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03 +1. Support as co-author. I think the document is framed well enough and has been sufficiently discus= sed to warrant adoption. --- Alex From: nmrg On Behalf Of Jeff Tantsura Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 12:48 PM To: nmrg@irtf.org; J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03 Support as co-author Cheers, Jeff On Dec 4, 2019, 9:28 AM -0800, J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois , wrote: Dear all, We recently received an RG adoption request for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-inten= t-03 (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03.txt) Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if you= think it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed comments to suppor= t your opinion and send them on the mailing list. This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 201= 9. The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detailed = here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU Best regards NMRG chairs Laurent & J=E9r=F4me _______________________________________________ nmrg mailing list nmrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg _______________________________________________ nmrg mailing list nmrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg _______________________________________________ nmrg mailing list nmrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg _______________________________________________ nmrg mailing list nmrg@irtf.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg__;!!= K543PA!Yz4x-ija0ZaaP8J19IAfRg_U9YVV3xv3MeBeEymp_r1_ZGZgelOI0G3TLgbM0JmkkD-6= ew$ --_000_CY4PR1101MB22961BBE97F77388908BDE30F75F0CY4PR1101MB2296_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to the authors for putting this together. +1 from me!

-Flavio Esposito

--
Assistant Professor
Computer Science Department

& School of Engineering
Saint Louis University


Office:&nb= sp;(314)-977-2434<= br style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif"> McDonnell Douglas Hall 2015 

http= ://www.cs.slu.edu/~esposito/

From: nmrg <nmrg-bounces= @irtf.org> on behalf of festor <olivier.festor@inria.fr>
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 6:35 AM
To: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org <nmrg-chairs@irtf.org>; nmrg@irtf.org= <nmrg@irtf.org>; Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <la= urent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>
Subject: [External] Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-di= st-intent-03
 
Same status as Christian,

I have followed the evolution of the document from the outside. While it st= ill needs some typo/writing checks, the content is sound, solid and useful = for the community. So it deserves to be moved forward. +1 on my side as= well.

Best Regards

/Olivier Festor
TELECOM Nancy


On 5 Dec 2019, at 15:35, Christian Esteve Rothenb= erg <chesteve@gmail.com> wrote:

As an RG observer, I find the document useful and contributes with a
comprehensive introduction of concepts on IBN, a very much needed
milestone for the community.

Therefore, +1 support on RG adoption


On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 11:28 AM Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia -
FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com> wrote:

Hello,



I'm co-author of the document, and supports its adoption as RG document.


As RG participant, I think the document helps to provide clarity in the fie= ld of intent-based networking and brings in useful definitions.



As expressed at IETF 106, some updates are planned to further improve the d= ocument quality and completeness.



Best regards, Laurent.



From: Alexander Clemm <alex@futurewei.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 23:42
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>; nmrg@irtf.org; J=E9r=F4m= e Fran=E7ois <jerome.francois@inria.fr>
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: RE: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03



+1.  Support as co-author.

I think the document is framed well enough and has been sufficiently discus= sed to warrant adoption.

--- Alex



From: nmrg <nmrg-bounces@irtf.org> On Behalf Of Jeff Tantsura
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 12:48 PM
To: nmrg@irtf.org; J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois <jerome.francois@inria.fr> Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03



Support as co-author



Cheers,

Jeff

On Dec 4, 2019, 9:28 AM -0800, J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois <jerome.francois@in= ria.fr>, wrote:

Dear all,

We recently received an RG adoption request for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-inten= t-03
(https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-clemm-nmrg-= dist-intent-03.txt)

Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if you= think
it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed comments to suppor= t your
opinion and send them on the mailing list.

This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 201= 9.

The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detailed = here:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/ar= ch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU

Best regards
NMRG chairs
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But I do think that we need to have additional drafts to address some= of the comments you have and that maybe not all of them are in the scope o= f this draft. The scope of this draft is intent classification - from the p= erspective of different solutions and intent users, where intent user is an= y human interacting with the network (existing network and future autonomou= s network). I think this draft should be foundation for discussion of inten= t related topics and other drafts that would be coming - intent engine arch= itecture (including translation, layering) and intent DSLs. - Policy Continuum. I agree but we intentionally reduced it in order to fo= cus this draft on intent classification from the solution and user perspect= ive, for both technical & non-technical user, without need to understand th= e black box and layering. This draft is the starting point to continue work= ing on formal definitions (intents, APIs, DSLs) & architecture. I do believ= e we need to start working on additional drafts that would address other as= pects and the work on Policy Continuum will be the core input in these draf= ts.=20 - Translation of policies, intent-based policy expression, operation of Pol= icy Continuum [Olga] This draft did not look at translation, intent DSLs / models / APIs = and is focused on identifying solutions, users and intent types. I think yo= ur comments are very valuable and it is definitely something we have to foc= us in other drafts that would look at intent architecture and intent models= / DSLs. There is already some work started on the architecture draft. I do believe the value of this draft and the adoption of version 02 will be= continued discussion and hopefully final agreement in the group about how = to classify intents, but starting from business / intent user - what is nee= ded by different solutions & different intent users in those solutions. I d= o not think version 02 means that we agreed about all categories and classi= fication, it means we are continuing discussion.=20 Best Regards, Olga -----Original Message----- From: nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Natale, Bob Sent: Thursday 5 December 2019 06:58 To: J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; nmrg@irtf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] [EXT] Re: Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classi= fication-02 Importance: Low I would like to add that the extremely brief section on the Policy Continuu= m in the draft seems superfluous in light of its brevity and consequent ove= r-simplification. (If John Strassner feels otherwise, then please ignore my= comments here!) While the existing text is a reasonable facsimile of early descriptions of = the Policy Continuum, as thought developed the concept matured: E.g., "The = Policy Continuum - Policy authoring and conflict analysis" (2008), http://b= rendanjennings.net/papers/2008_COMCOM_SDavy_et_al_published.pdf, esp. sec. = 2.1.4, but most of the rest of the paper is essential to a useful level of = understanding.=20 Alas, at some point the Policy Continuum concept seems to have fallen relat= ively dormant. Regardless, wrt the discussion topic at hand, I believe that= several points must be considered: - Non-person entity "actors" as policy authors will be essential to transla= tion of policy expressions in the Intent-based operating model. - It is (and always has been) the translation of policies across levels. Th= e translation activity is what makes the model a continuum as opposed to (o= nly) a set of interworking differentiated layers. - Applying Intent-based policy expression adds a distinct dimension to oper= ation of the Policy Continuum ... this new dimension is compatible with exi= sting common understanding of the Policy Continuum but introduces additiona= l translations at some layers. So, I think it's necessary to cover the Policy Continuum (by whatever name = might be preferable today, if that term is out of vogue) in an explanation = of Intent-based policy implementation. I am not sure it belongs in a docume= nt defining Intent classification. And it almost certainly does not fit int= o this particular draft in its present form. I do see the connection you ar= e presumably making with your Intent User and Intent Type breakouts and the= Policy Continuum but (to coin a phrase?) it's "too little too early" to ad= d any real value. FWIW (from a lurker), BobN -----Original Message----- From: nmrg On Behalf Of Sch=F6nw=E4lder, J=FCrgen Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 4:25 PM To: J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; nmrg@irtf.org Subject: [EXT] Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classifica= tion-02 I am still not sure what the value of this document is. What is the insight= that these big tables deliver? How do they help doing ultimately better wo= rk in the IETF? I am sure I will get some answer quickly from the authors but what I am say= ing is that I prefer to see the value of this document very clearly explain= ed in the document before adopting it. Note that I also expect that this do= cument would align with the other document defining intent concepts and ter= minology. Perhaps this is more intended like a survey paper but then it has= gone a bit in the wrong direction since a decent survey would explain how = intent is defined and used in concrete projects (hint: lots of concrete des= criptions and references) and then you would classify things. But right now= , we have big tables with empty cells or cells with text that seems to come= from rather unknown sources. For the above reasons, I do not support adoption at this point in time. /js On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 06:24:44PM +0100, J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > We recently received an RG adoption request for > draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 > (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt) >=20 > Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or=20 > if you think it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed=20 > comments to support your opinion and send them on the mailing list. >=20 > This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 2= 019. >=20 > The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are=20 > detailed > here:=20 > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU >=20 > Best regards > NMRG chairs > Laurent & J=E9r=F4me >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ nmrg mailing list nmrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg _______________________________________________ nmrg mailing list nmrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From nobody Fri Dec 6 06:05:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC1812081C for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 06:05:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mMux-9W8UUuq for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 06:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA773120817 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 06:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 7B269B004D0FB1641478; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 14:05:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fraeml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.55) by LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 14:05:28 +0000 Received: from fraeml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.55) by fraeml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.55) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 15:05:27 +0100 Received: from fraeml706-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.112.184]) by fraeml706-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.112.184]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 15:05:27 +0100 From: Olga Havel To: Alexander Clemm , =?utf-8?B?5p2O5pmo?= , =?utf-8?B?SsOpZmVyc29uIENhbXBvcyBOb2JyZQ==?= , "Liushucheng (Will Liu)" , "Pedro Martinez-Julia (pedro@nict.go.jp)" , "Diego R. 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Date: 2019-12-09 09:35
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As a contributor, I support this draft being adopted.

= Best Regards,
= Xue= yuan SUN


Xueyuan Sun
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Date:&nb= sp;2019-12-05 01:24
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We recently = received an RG adoption request for
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(https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-nmrg-intent= -classification-02.txt)
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Please let us kno= w if you support the work becoming a RG document or if you think
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Best regards
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B= est Regards
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Date= : 2019-12-05 01:24
= Subject: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classif= ication-02
Dear all,
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We recently received an RG adoption request for
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draf= t-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02
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(https://www.ietf.org/id/= draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt)
=0A
 
=0APlease let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if= you think
=0A
it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide d= etailed comments to support your
=0A
opinion and send them on th= e mailing list.
=0A
 
=0A
This call for adoption is= open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 2019.
=0A
 =0A
The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria = are detailed here:
=0A
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmr= g/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU
=0A
 
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Best regard= s
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NMRG chairs
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Laurent & J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me=0A
 
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=0A ------=_001_NextPart041553650111_=------ From nobody Sun Dec 8 18:44:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B06A12007C; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 18:44:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=nict.go.jp Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id leywl10EKmS6; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 18:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mo-csw.securemx.jp (mo-csw1116.securemx.jp [210.130.202.158]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CF2212004A; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 18:44:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nict.go.jp; h=Date:From:To: Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To;i=pedro@nict.go.jp;s=20190225.smx;t= 1575859442; x=1577069042; bh=H4Orjx+A2GYpms8rz/vc6XkuuWGtVm1zOxxL346pPcg=; b=Iib sqU58+V3o0pgwY0Ix7uuv6+GrbR9zus9wdCcVB9N4vTF1n9HeDfggLldxHaXRGpW/y5K5Atv+w8DN z1JoH+pEaP5m+sUJtpuRFR68oqkzr9CRkK3MThVCoNYmihgDZQE7tmLm3tgi7gYLk1gcTL1ReMKzS KJSz2Y0+OkPjRehuoI0zgOZnzsb+wXQfEjtS9X2OFs0VaVvi53tPJyOqXMMmFtK1eYBTQLECg4TbC TLZPEmzdX1rLWP3/ccT+7Rv5WhckqwXoAbtWCQuHWqK/sbw5JoYUFnr1i7OgMub6nluGDlgEpeMfA 77mDJIo+0KG1shY1ZimUwVhwmGbIzPQ==; Received: by mo-csw.securemx.jp (mx-mo-csw1116) id xB92i2tH012752; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:44:02 +0900 X-Iguazu-Qid: 2wGrBTNmAMdVNnbtOC X-Iguazu-QSIG: v=2; s=0; t=1575859441; q=2wGrBTNmAMdVNnbtOC; m=H2v8yGzBaIoBe4sl3b1/tHd6b6gH2eAb909I/m3QecE= Received: from mail1.nict.go.jp (ipv6.mail1.nict.go.jp [IPv6:2001:df0:232:1200::e]) by relay.securemx.jp (mx-mr1111) id xB92hxJJ034257 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:44:00 +0900 Received: from spectre (5gou2f-dhcp13.nict.go.jp [133.243.146.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.nict.go.jp (NICT Mail Spool Server1) with ESMTPSA id 894172E5D7; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:43:59 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:43:58 +0900 From: Pedro Martinez-Julia To: "lichen6@chinatelecom.cn" Cc: "jerome.francois" , nmrg , nmrg-chairs Message-ID: <20191209024358.GO1224@spectre> References: <201912091015321359806@chinatelecom.cn> <20191209103713963466113@chinatelecom.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20191209103713963466113@chinatelecom.cn> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] Fw: Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 02:44:13 -0000 +1 On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 10:37:14AM +0800, lichen6@chinatelecom.cn wrote: > Dear all： > As an author, I support this draft being adopted. > I think the classfication is an important part of intent network, if we can clearly define the methods and rules of the intent calssfication, the intent network will move forward well. > > Best Regards > Chen Li > > > > 李 晨 Li Chen > 中国电信战略与创新研究院 战略与规划研究所 网络规划中心 > 电话：010-50902891/18910853955 > 邮箱：lichen6@chinatelecom.cn/18910853955@chinatelecom.cn > 只为成功找方法，不为失败找借口 > ============================== > Chen Li > Network Evolution and Planning Center > Network Technology & Planning Department > Email：lichen6@chinatelecom.cn /18910853955@chinatelecom.cn > Tel: +86-10-50902891 > Mobile: +86-18910853955 > > From: Jérôme François > Date: 2019-12-05 01:24 > To: nmrg@irtf.org > CC: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org > Subject: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 > Dear all, > > We recently received an RG adoption request for > draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 > (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt) > > Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if you think > it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed comments to support your > opinion and send them on the mailing list. > > This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 2019. > > The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detailed here: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU > > Best regards > NMRG chairs > Laurent & Jérôme > > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg -- Pedro Martinez-Julia Network Science and Convergence Device Technology Laboratory Network System Research Institute National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT) 4-2-1, Nukui-Kitamachi, Koganei, Tokyo 184-8795, Japan Email: pedro@nict.go.jp --------------------------------------------------------- *** Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem *** From nobody Sun Dec 8 22:16:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E62E1200F9; 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boundary="0000000000008529520599448b17" Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] JNSM Special Issue: Intelligent and Trustworthy Internet Edge X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:29:27 -0000 --0000000000008529520599448b17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Colleagues, This is an announcement of JNSM SI on Intelligent and Trustworthy Internet Edge. Sorry if you had received multiple copies of the emails. The information of the JNSM SI is given as follows: JOURNAL OF NETWORK AND SYSTEMS MANAGEMENT (SPRINGER) SPECIAL ISSUE Intelligent and Trustworthy Internet Edge *** Submissions due: December 31, 2019 *** https://www.springer.com/?SGWID=3D0-102-2-1338221-0 [We encourage early submission, please check the open submission schedule policy below.] The emerging and the ever-growing functionality of Internet edges, where physical and virtual things are connected to the network, are opening a wide set of new opportunities, both for novel services/applications and increased efficiency/scalability. These opportunities include locally sharing information, collaborating, and generating/consuming a huge amount of data, by involving a variety of entities, such as micro-data centers, end devices, and resource-sufficient networking nodes. While Fog/Edge Computing is usually expected to bring the resources, including storage and computation closer to users (in comparison to Cloud Computing), a significant effort is needed at the Internet edge to provide a trustworthy computation edge networking environment able to support new computation technologies. Indeed, distributed big data analytics, modern Machine Learning (ML) technology, Artificial Intelligence (AI), real-time data collection and processing, scalable and distributed security solutions such as blockchain, and distributed secure data processing, may play a significant role. Moreover, new networking technologies related to Information-Centric Networking (ICN), Software-Defined Networking (SDN), Network Function Virtualization (NFV), and network slicing have emerged as the novel paradigms for fast and efficient delivering and retrieving data. This triggers the convergence between the emerging networking concepts and the new computation technologies to reach the vision of an intelligent and trustworthy Internet edge. In order to implement such trustworthy edge networks and services, several operation and management challenges associated with intelligent and trustworthy Internet edge need to be addressed. These challenges include: trustworthy connectivity and network resource management for heterogeneous networking (HetNet); security monitoring, measurement, and assessment to ensure networking and management functions to protect data; effective ML and computation models to consider different resources (storage, networking, and computing), security requirements, and real-time constraints; trustworthiness of data sources; in-network data processing and aggregation, intelligent planning and decision models to handle security and application requirements. This special issue aims to bring together leading research on management infrastructure, applications and the most recent advances in Internet edge-based secure network management solutions. We hence encourage original paper submissions, which have not been published or submitted for publication elsewhere, from both academia and industry presenting novel research addressing the aforementioned challenges. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: - Secure intelligent edge systems and networking architectures/protocols to integrate storage, computation, and networking; - Secure intelligent coordination and networking between edge, fog, and cloud; - Software architectures and toolkits for secure intelligent Internet edge; - Trust management and networking among intelligent edges; - Intelligent and secure service function/computation chaining; - Secure NFV, SDN, and network slicing for distributed computations; - Secure ICN with/for edge-enabled Internet; - Secure in-network computation for future networks, inter-data center networking and 5G; - Privacy management for intelligent Internet edge; - Accountability, reliability, and resiliency for intelligent Internet edge= ; - Quality of Service/Experience and energy efficiency for secure intelligent Internet edges; - Distributed AI with/for secure edge networking; - Distributed ML with enhanced data privacy, ownership, and obfuscation; - Integrating Blockchain with distributed edges and Internet finance; - Data mining and big data analytics for security management in edge networking; - Trustworthy data collection and processing for big data at the edge; - Privacy-preserving big data processing at the edge; - Emerging applications for intelligent secure Internet edge, such as AR/VR, IoT, industrial IoT for Industry 4.0, 5G, cyber-physical systems, smart cities, vehicular systems, healthcare; - Management framework for intelligent secure Internet edge; - Security performance monitoring, measurements, modelling, and evaluations for intelligent Internet edge; - SDN/NFV security architectures and applications for Internet edge; - Security mechanisms in wireless SDN/NFV. Planned Schedule Open-submission schedule: in this special issue, we implement an =E2=80=9Co= pen=E2=80=9D submission approach, where we do not have a submission time period. Interested authors can submit the paper any time before a fixed deadline, and the review process will be started right after the paper submission, i.e., in a first-in first-serve fashion. The detailed submission schedule is presented as follows: - Manuscript due: December 31, 2019 - Revision notification: 2-month after the submission - Revised paper due: 1.5-month after the revision notification - Final notification: 1-month after the revised paper notification - Expected Publication of the Special Issue: third-quarter of 2020 (early accepted papers will be accessible online before the deadline) Submission Format and Review Guidelines The submitted manuscripts must be written in English and describe original research not published nor currently under review by other journals or conferences. Parallel submissions will not be accepted. All submitted papers, if relevant to the theme and objectives of the special issue, will go through an external peer-review process. Submissions should (i) conform strictly to the Instructions for Authors available on the JNSM website and (ii) be submitted through the Editorial Management system available at http://www.editorialmanager.com/jons. Guest Editors of the Special Issue: - Dr. Dijiang Huang, Arizona State University, USA Email: dijiang.huang@asu.edu - Dr. J=C3=A9ferson Campos Nobre, Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul (UFRGS), Brazil Email: jcnobre@inf.ufrgs.br - Dr. Ruidong Li, NICT, Japan Email: lrd@nict.go.jp - Dr. Paolo Bellavista, DEIS, Universit=C3=A0 di Bologna, Italy Email: paolo.bellavista@unibo.it - Dr. Abdelkader Lahmadi, University of Lorraine, France Email: abdelkader.lahmadi@loria.fr Best Regards ---------------------------------------------------- Prof. Dr. J=C3=A9ferson Campos Nobre Instituto de Inform=C3=A1tica Programa de P=C3=B3s-Gradua=C3=A7=C3=A3o em Computa=C3=A7=C3=A3o Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~jcnobre ---------------------------------------------------- --0000000000008529520599448b17 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Collea= gues,

This is an announcement of JNSM SI on Intelligent and Trustw= orthy Internet Edge. Sorry if you had received multiple copies of the email= s. The information of the JNSM SI is given as follows:

JOURNAL OF NE= TWORK AND SYSTEMS MANAGEMENT (SPRINGER)
SPECIAL ISSUE
Intelligent and= Trustworthy Internet Edge
*** Submissions due: December 31, 2019 ***https://www.springer.com/?SGWID=3D0-102-2-1338221-0
[We enco= urage early submission, please check the open submission schedule policy be= low.]

The emerging and the ever-growing functionality of Internet ed= ges, where physical and virtual things are connected to the network, are op= ening a wide set of new opportunities, both for novel services/applications= and increased efficiency/scalability. These opportunities include locally = sharing information, collaborating, and generating/consuming a huge amount = of data, by involving a variety of entities, such as micro-data centers, en= d devices, and resource-sufficient networking nodes. While Fog/Edge Computi= ng is usually expected to bring the resources, including storage and comput= ation closer to users (in comparison to Cloud Computing), a significant eff= ort is needed at the Internet edge to provide a trustworthy computation edg= e networking environment able to support new computation technologies. Inde= ed, distributed big data analytics, modern Machine Learning (ML) technology= , Artificial Intelligence (AI), real-time data collection and processing, s= calable and distributed security solutions such as blockchain, and distribu= ted secure data processing, may play a significant role. Moreover, new netw= orking technologies related to Information-Centric Networking (ICN), Softwa= re-Defined Networking (SDN), Network Function Virtualization (NFV), and net= work slicing have emerged as the novel paradigms for fast and efficient del= ivering and retrieving data. This triggers the convergence between the emer= ging networking concepts and the new computation technologies to reach the = vision of an intelligent and trustworthy Internet edge.

In order to = implement such trustworthy edge networks and services, several operation an= d management challenges associated with intelligent and trustworthy Interne= t edge need to be addressed. These challenges include: trustworthy connecti= vity and network resource management for heterogeneous networking (HetNet);= security monitoring, measurement, and assessment to ensure networking and = management functions to protect data; effective ML and computation models t= o consider different resources (storage, networking, and computing), securi= ty requirements, and real-time constraints; trustworthiness of data sources= ; in-network data processing and aggregation, intelligent planning and deci= sion models to handle security and application requirements.=C2=A0
This = special issue aims to bring together leading research on management infrast= ructure, applications and the most recent advances in Internet edge-based s= ecure network management solutions. We hence encourage original paper submi= ssions, which have not been published or submitted for publication elsewher= e, from both academia and industry presenting novel research addressing the= aforementioned challenges.

Topics of interest include, but are not = limited to:
- Secure intelli= gent edge systems and networking architectures/protocols to integrate stora= ge, computation, and networking;
- = Secure intelligent coordination and networking between edge, fog, an= d cloud;
- Software architec= tures and toolkits for secure intelligent Internet edge;
- Trust management and networking among intell= igent edges;
- Intelligent a= nd secure service function/computation chaining;
- Secure NFV, SDN, and network slicing for distributed= computations;
- Secure ICN = with/for edge-enabled Internet;
- <= /span>Secure in-network computation for future networks, inter-data center = networking and 5G;
- Privacy= management for intelligent Internet edge;
- Accountability, reliability, and resiliency for intelligen= t Internet edge;
- Quality o= f Service/Experience and energy efficiency for secure intelligent Internet = edges;
- Distributed AI with= /for secure edge networking;
- Distributed ML with enhanced data privacy, ownership, and obfuscation;- Integrating Blockchain with= distributed edges and Internet finance;
- Data mining and big data analytics for security management i= n edge networking;
- Trustwo= rthy data collection and processing for big data at the edge;
- Privacy-preserving big data processing = at the edge;
- Emerging appl= ications for intelligent secure Internet edge, such as AR/VR, IoT, industri= al IoT for Industry 4.0, 5G, cyber-physical systems, smart cities, vehicula= r systems, healthcare;
- Man= agement framework for intelligent secure Internet edge;
- Security performance monitoring, measurements= , modelling, and evaluations for intelligent Internet edge;
- SDN/NFV security architectures and applic= ations for Internet edge;
- = Security mechanisms in wireless SDN/NFV.
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Planned ScheduleOpen-submission schedule: in this special issue, we implement an =E2=80= =9Copen=E2=80=9D submission approach, where we do not have a submission tim= e period. Interested authors can submit the paper any time before a fixed d= eadline, and the review process will be started right after the paper submi= ssion, i.e., in a first-in first-serve fashion. The detailed submission sch= edule is presented as follows:
- Manuscript due: December 31, 2019
- Revision notification: 2-month after the submission
- Revised paper due: 1.5-month after t= he revision notification
- F= inal notification: 1-month after the revised paper notification
- Expected Publication of the Special I= ssue: third-quarter of 2020 (early accepted papers will be accessible onlin= e before the deadline)

Submission Format and Review Guidelines
Th= e submitted manuscripts must be written in English and describe original re= search not published nor currently under review by other journals or confer= ences. Parallel submissions will not be accepted. All submitted papers, if = relevant to the theme and objectives of the special issue, will go through = an external peer-review process. Submissions should (i) conform strictly to= the Instructions for Authors available on the JNSM website and (ii) be sub= mitted through the Editorial Management system available at=C2=A0http://www.editori= almanager.com/jons.

Guest Editors of the Special Issue:
- Dr. Dijiang Huang, Arizona State U= niversity, USA
Email:=C2=A0dijiang.huang@asu.edu
- Dr. J=C3=A9ferson Campos Nobre, Federal University of Rio Gra= nde do Sul (UFRGS), Brazil
Email:=C2=A0jcnobre@inf.ufrgs.br=C2=A0=C2=A0
- Dr. Ruidong Li, NICT, Japan=C2=A0
Em= ail:=C2=A0lrd@nict.go.j= p
- Dr. Paolo Bellavista= , DEIS, Universit=C3=A0 di Bologna, Italy
Email:=C2=A0paolo.bellavista@unibo.it<= br>- Dr. Abdelkader Lahmadi, Un= iversity of Lorraine, France
Email:=C2=A0abdelkader.lahmadi@loria.fr

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Best Regards

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Instituto de Inform=C3=A1tica
Programa de P=C3=B3s-Gradua=C3=A7=C3=A3o em Computa=C3=A7=C3=A3o
Univ= ersidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul
http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~jcnobre
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Hi, all,
I support the adoption of this work as a RG document.  Although In= ternet driven network has been an hot topic, but the concept of Intent its= elft is a little abstract,different people have different understanding an= d expectation.  This document provides several dimensi= ons to classify intents=EF=BC=8Cwhich will make intent more specific and e= asy to implement in different scenarios. 
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Date: 2019-12-05 01:24
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Subject: [nmrg] Adoption = call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02
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This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 = December 2019.
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10 Dec 2019 19:38:41.8504 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: f78e973e-5c0b-4ab8-bbd7-9887c95a8ebd X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: oAT7y7jfPaxyCchAHDtkgK3Z8fU2NwaUkJIcv4DQC6k5s4x/RcUkhDzC/yjqyhxu49hxm/JEZMaEIl0Em7dR4LTieA4GV1d7Ie4m1GFjTv0= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5P190MB0498 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] Fw: Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:38:48 -0000 On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 07:24:41PM +0000, Olga Havel wrote: > Hi Laurent, >=20 > Thanks for your comments. Would something like this be better format to c= ommunicate our proposed taxonomy? >=20 > [cid:image001.jpg@01D5AF86.26216960] >=20 >=20 > But we can also use UML or knowledge graphs as well, the problem is IETF = format. > Turn it by 90 degrees and you can easily write this down in ASCII. Or make the 2nd layer boxes simply section titles. The format is seldom the problem. My problems are terms like "Solution" or "Carrier Solutions" or "Enterprise" - these are extremly bendable terms. Why do we need SD-WAN but not SD-LAN? It seems all arbitrary. Things would be different for me if you can point to concrete intent technology for each and every item in there. Then we get into the direction of a survey plus classification and things start to get useful. If we only brainstrom classifiction terms together, I see little value in this exercise. If you pull together information from concrete intent implementation and you identify and extract common features or design pattern, then this adds value. But yes, this is more work than brainstorming some terms together. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed Dec 11 02:15:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8D4120091; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 02:15:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QDcM7iLokwMF; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 02:15:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6A291200E9; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 02:15:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 23896B3A461E1C72A116; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:15:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fraeml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.50) by lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:15:43 +0000 Received: from fraeml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.55) by fraeml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:15:43 +0100 Received: from fraeml706-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.112.184]) by fraeml706-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.112.184]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:15:43 +0100 From: Olga Havel To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6nw=E4lder=2C_J=FCrgen?= CC: "Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" , nmrg , nmrg-chairs Thread-Topic: [nmrg] Fw: Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 Thread-Index: AQHVr2fkTo6Iq7IthECQxnS9rHf2SaezonuAgAAhj4CAAO/B4A== Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:15:43 +0000 Message-ID: <6360b4352aba41d0b3b7d67d567bca8c@huawei.com> References: <2019121020522557385118@chinatelecom.cn> <4ab8a8c0b2a84adcb857031f2b804d94@huawei.com> <20191210193841.uw6qsazioruzibnj@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> In-Reply-To: <20191210193841.uw6qsazioruzibnj@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.206.138.163] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] Fw: Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:15:51 -0000 Hi Jurgen, Thank you very much for your comments. In regards to solutions, they are th= e starting points to identify users and different intent types we need to a= nalyse and support. These are the existing solutions from the industry, our= proposal is based on information from China Telecom, Huawei and others. Th= e goal was to start from business, from existing solutions provided in the = industry where we believe intent driven approach is required (independent o= f any current implementations, if they are intent driven or not). If some s= olutions, intent users or intent types are missed, please let us know and w= e should add them. Or if you think any of those mentioned do not require in= tent driven approach, please let us know. Your comments would be really wel= come. In regards to starting from intent technologies, it seems you are proposing= bottom up methodology, starting from what is available today. That is alte= rnative approach, but in that case we are classifying the baseline and not = the target. Our preferred approach was to start classification from the tar= get and not baseline and then position baseline (PoCs/Demos/Products/Applic= ations).=20 Best Regards, Olga -----Original Message----- From: Sch=F6nw=E4lder, J=FCrgen [mailto:J.Schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.d= e]=20 Sent: Tuesday 10 December 2019 19:39 To: Olga Havel Cc: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) ; nmrg ; nmrg-chairs Subject: Re: [nmrg] Fw: Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classificati= on-02 On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 07:24:41PM +0000, Olga Havel wrote: > Hi Laurent, >=20 > Thanks for your comments. Would something like this be better format to c= ommunicate our proposed taxonomy? >=20 > [cid:image001.jpg@01D5AF86.26216960] >=20 >=20 > But we can also use UML or knowledge graphs as well, the problem is IETF = format. > Turn it by 90 degrees and you can easily write this down in ASCII. Or make= the 2nd layer boxes simply section titles. The format is seldom the proble= m. My problems are terms like "Solution" or "Carrier Solutions" or "Enterprise= " - these are extremly bendable terms. Why do we need SD-WAN but not SD-LAN= ? It seems all arbitrary. Things would be different for me if you can point= to concrete intent technology for each and every item in there. Then we ge= t into the direction of a survey plus classification and things start to ge= t useful. If we only brainstrom classifiction terms together, I see little = value in this exercise. If you pull together information from concrete inte= nt implementation and you identify and extract common features or design pa= ttern, then this adds value. But yes, this is more work than brainstorming = some terms together. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed Dec 11 06:00:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5B212007A; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 06:00:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=jacobsuniversity.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XKFUdi4BeeL3; 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In regards to solutions, they are = the starting points to identify users and different intent types we need to= analyse and support. These are the existing solutions from the industry, o= ur proposal is based on information from China Telecom, Huawei and others. = The goal was to start from business, from existing solutions provided in th= e industry where we believe intent driven approach is required (independent= of any current implementations, if they are intent driven or not). If some= solutions, intent users or intent types are missed, please let us know and= we should add them. Or if you think any of those mentioned do not require = intent driven approach, please let us know. Your comments would be really w= elcome. >=20 > In regards to starting from intent technologies, it seems you are proposi= ng bottom up methodology, starting from what is available today. That is al= ternative approach, but in that case we are classifying the baseline and no= t the target. Our preferred approach was to start classification from the t= arget and not baseline and then position baseline (PoCs/Demos/Products/Appl= ications).=20 >=20 > Best Regards, > Olga >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Sch=F6nw=E4lder, J=FCrgen [mailto:J.Schoenwaelder@jacobs-university= .de]=20 > Sent: Tuesday 10 December 2019 19:39 > To: Olga Havel > Cc: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) ; nmrg ; nmrg-chairs > Subject: Re: [nmrg] Fw: Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classifica= tion-02 >=20 > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 07:24:41PM +0000, Olga Havel wrote: > > Hi Laurent, > >=20 > > Thanks for your comments. Would something like this be better format to= communicate our proposed taxonomy? > >=20 > > [cid:image001.jpg@01D5AF86.26216960] > >=20 > >=20 > > But we can also use UML or knowledge graphs as well, the problem is IET= F format. > > >=20 > Turn it by 90 degrees and you can easily write this down in ASCII. Or ma= ke the 2nd layer boxes simply section titles. The format is seldom the prob= lem. >=20 > My problems are terms like "Solution" or "Carrier Solutions" or "Enterpri= se" - these are extremly bendable terms. Why do we need SD-WAN but not SD-L= AN? It seems all arbitrary. Things would be different for me if you can poi= nt to concrete intent technology for each and every item in there. Then we = get into the direction of a survey plus classification and things start to = get useful. If we only brainstrom classifiction terms together, I see littl= e value in this exercise. If you pull together information from concrete in= tent implementation and you identify and extract common features or design = pattern, then this adds value. But yes, this is more work than brainstormin= g some terms together. >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Dec 12 07:19:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2674F12021D; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 07:19:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 support on RG adoption This doc is a solid basis for a thorough collection of Intent Based Network= ing framework properties and features. Once consolidated, it can be very us= eful to position and assess other IBN frameworks. Sabine Randriamasy From: Flavio Esposito Sent: Friday, December 06, 2019 2:18 PM To: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; nmrg@irtf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] [External] Re: Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-= intent-03 Thanks to the authors for putting this together. +1 from me! -Flavio Esposito -- Assistant Professor Computer Science Department & School of Engineering Saint Louis University Office: (314)-977-2434 McDonnell Douglas Hall 2015 http://www.cs.slu.edu/~esposito/ ________________________________ From: nmrg > on behalf = of festor > Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 6:35 AM To: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org >; nmrg@irtf.org >; Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay= ) > Subject: [External] Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-inte= nt-03 Same status as Christian, I have followed the evolution of the document from the outside. While it st= ill needs some typo/writing checks, the content is sound, solid and useful = for the community. So it deserves to be moved forward. +1 on my side as wel= l. Best Regards /Olivier Festor TELECOM Nancy On 5 Dec 2019, at 15:35, Christian Esteve Rothenberg > wrote: As an RG observer, I find the document useful and contributes with a comprehensive introduction of concepts on IBN, a very much needed milestone for the community. Therefore, +1 support on RG adoption On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 11:28 AM Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) > wrote: Hello, I'm co-author of the document, and supports its adoption as RG document. As RG participant, I think the document helps to provide clarity in the fie= ld of intent-based networking and brings in useful definitions. As expressed at IETF 106, some updates are planned to further improve the d= ocument quality and completeness. Best regards, Laurent. From: Alexander Clemm > Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 23:42 To: Jeff Tantsura >= ; nmrg@irtf.org; J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois > Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: RE: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03 +1. Support as co-author. I think the document is framed well enough and has been sufficiently discus= sed to warrant adoption. --- Alex From: nmrg > On Behalf = Of Jeff Tantsura Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 12:48 PM To: nmrg@irtf.org; J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois > Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03 Support as co-author Cheers, Jeff On Dec 4, 2019, 9:28 AM -0800, J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois >, wrote: Dear all, We recently received an RG adoption request for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-inten= t-03 (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03.txt) Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if you= think it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed comments to suppor= t your opinion and send them on the mailing list. This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 201= 9. 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+1 support on RG adoption

 

This doc is a solid basis for a thorough collection of Intent Based N= etworking framework properties and features. Once consolidated, it can be v= ery useful  to position and assess other IBN frameworks.

 

Sabine Randriamasy

 

 

From: Flavio Esposito <flavio.esposito@slu.edu>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2019 2:18 PM
To: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org; nmrg@irtf.org
Subject: Re: [nmrg] [External] Re: Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmr= g-dist-intent-03

 

Thanks = to the authors for putting this together. +1 from me!=

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From: nmrg <n= mrg-bounces@irtf.org> on behalf of festor <olivier.festor@inria.fr>
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 6:35 AM
To: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org= <nmrg-chairs@irtf.org>; nmrg@irtf.org <nmrg@irtf.org>; Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Sa= clay) <laurent.ciavaglia@= nokia.com>
Subject: [External] Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-di= st-intent-03

 

Same status as Christian,

I have followed the evolution of the document from the outside. While it st= ill needs some typo/writing checks, the content is sound, solid and useful = for the community. So it deserves to be moved forward. +1 on my side as= well.

Best Regards

/Olivier Festor
TELECOM Nancy



On 5 Dec 2019, at 15:35, Christian Esteve Rothenberg= <chesteve@gmail.com> wrote= :

As an RG observer, I find the document useful and contributes with a
comprehensive introduction of concepts on IBN, a very much needed
milestone for the community.

Therefore, +1 support on RG adoption


On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 11:28 AM Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia -
FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent= .ciavaglia@nokia.com> wrote:


Hello,



I'm co-author of the document, and supports its adoption as RG document.


As RG participant, I think the document helps to provide clarity in the fie= ld of intent-based networking and brings in useful definitions.



As expressed at IETF 106, some updates are planned to further improve the d= ocument quality and completeness.



Best regards, Laurent.



From: Alexander Clemm <alex@future= wei.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 23:42
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.i= etf@gmail.com>; nmrg@irtf.org; J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois &= lt;jerome.francois@inria.fr= >
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: RE: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03



+1.  Support as co-author.

I think the document is framed well enough and has been sufficiently discus= sed to warrant adoption.

--- Alex



From: nmrg <nmrg-bounces@irtf.o= rg> On Behalf Of Jeff Tantsura
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 12:48 PM
To: nmrg@irtf.org; J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7o= is <jerome.francois@inria.fr= >
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03



Support as co-author



Cheers,

Jeff

On Dec 4, 2019, 9:28 AM -0800, J=E9r=F4me Fran=E7ois <jerome.francois@inria.fr>, wrote:

Dear all,

We recently received an RG adoption request for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-inten= t-03
(https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-clemm-nmrg-d= ist-intent-03.txt)

Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if you= think
it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed comments to suppor= t your
opinion and send them on the mailing list.

This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 201= 9.

The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detailed = here:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arc= h/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU

Best regards
NMRG chairs
Laurent & J=E9r=F4me


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HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: H6DX6CEd+IaHB3mwwPSRgZQoBeHVuWamPDDjlIBOwpUA8pIujol3qjPWaAaSfSnksIj4ZJWrSsLmQ2LAeSis/9RzZX60wNUVk7WztlS+2t4= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: PR1PR07MB4922 Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] IETF106 - NMRG57 Minutes available X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 16:50:22 -0000 --_004_PR1PR07MB4891A43470FCC2089AC35E6EF3540PR1PR07MB4891eurp_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_PR1PR07MB4891A43470FCC2089AC35E6EF3540PR1PR07MB4891eurp_" --_000_PR1PR07MB4891A43470FCC2089AC35E6EF3540PR1PR07MB4891eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear NMRG, The minutes of our sessions at IETF 106 are available at: https://datatrack= 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Dear NMRG,

 

The minutes of our sessions at IETF 106 are available at: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/minutes-106-nmrg-00=

 

And copied below for your convenience.

 

Please let us know about things we could have missed or an= y clarifications.

 

Best regards, Laurent & J=E9r=F4me.<= /p>

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(hkueee.eee.hku.hk [147.8.180.1]); Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:15:04 +0800 (HKT) Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] [CFP: IEEE ICCN 2020 (Due: 15 January 2020)] IEEE INFOCOM 2020 Workshop on Intelligent Cloud Computing and Networking (ICCN) X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 04:15:14 -0000 ------------------------ Call For Papers ------------------------ IEEE INFOCOM 2020 The Second International Workshop on Intelligent Cloud Computing and Networking (ICCN) https://infocom2020.ieee-infocom.org/workshop-intelligent-cloud-computing-and-networking Important Dates Paper submission: January 15, 2020 Author notification: February 15, 2020 Camera ready: March 6, 2020 Cloud computing, as well as Cloud-inspired business models, enables on-demand access to a shared pool of resources, namely computing, storage, networks, services, and applications. With the advent of Cloud-based systems, cloud operators have been aiming at reliable, secured, privacy-preserving and cost-efficient cloud design and management. As the Cloud infrastructure aims at offering various IT resources as services, requirements of Cloud applications vary based on the resources which are requested as services. Thus, the resources may refer to heavy computation resources, massive storage resources, and high-capacity network resources and so on. The heterogeneity of cloud applications leads to the challenge of holistic design of a robust Cloud system which can oversee and handle the diverse needs of numerous types of applications. On the other hand, the new computation technologies, such as big data analytics, machine learning, and blockchain, have great influence on the clo! ud and network. These challenges enforce cooperation of various players in the Cloud system, each of which focuses on a different segment such as computing, network, applications, and systems. The Second International Workshop on Intelligent Cloud Computing and Networking (ICCN-2020) is the evolution of the previous 7 editions CCSNA (Cloud Computing Systems, Networks, and Applications) and further 1 edition ICCN workshop, starting in IEEE Globecom 2013. It aims at the crossroads between scientists, researchers, practitioners and students from diverse domains in Cloud computing research. The Workshop aims at attracting contributions of system and network design that can support existing and future applications and services. Researchers are encouraged to submit original research contributions in all major areas, which include, but not limited to: Cloud computing system and network design Cloud network protocol design and management Optimization for cloud computing, networking, and applications Green cloud system design Cloud storage design and networking Cloud system and storage security Cloud network virtualization techniques Modeling for cloud system, network and storage Performance analysis for cloud system, network and storage Big data storage and networking in the Clouds Intra-cloud computing and networking Mobile Cloud system design Cloud media and storage design Real-time resource reporting and monitoring for cloud management Cloud system interoperability Cloud data center design Utility computing solutions in Cloud systems Cloud forensics Networking for cloud computing Machine learning, data mining for cloud computing Edge, fog, and mobile edge computing Security, privacy, trust for cloud computing Machine learning for cloud resource management Machine learning for traffic engineering and congestion control Machine learning for network measurement Data-driven methodology and architecture Networking for machine learning systems Resource management and device placement for machine learning systems Measurement and diagnosis for machine learning systems Blockchain with cloud Paper submission: EDAS link: https://edas.info/newPaper.php?c=26862&track=99580 Committee: General Chairs Jie Li, Shanghai Jiao Tong University, China Alfredo Grieco, Politecnico di Bari, Italy Ruidong Li, National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT), Japan Technical Program Committee Chairs Deze Zeng, China University of Geosciences, China Rami Langar, University Paris Est, France Ruiting Zhou, Wuhan University, China Keynote and Panel Chair Zhi Zhou, Sun Yat-sen University, China Publicity Chairs Moayad Aloqaily, Gnowit Inc. Ottawa, Canada William Liu, Auckland University of Technology, New Zealand Ka-Cheong Leung, Harbin Institute of Technology, Shenzhen, China Xiaohua Xu, Kennesaw State University, USA Oznur Ozkasap, Koc University, Istanbul, Turkey Steering Committee Hitoshi Asaeda, NICT, Japan Jiannong Cao, The Hong Kong Polytechnic Univ, Hong Kong Niklas Carlsson, Linkoping University, Sweden Xiaoming Fu, University of Gottingen, Germany Chuan Heng Foh, University of Surrey, UK Volker Hilt, Nokia Bell Labs, Germany Yaser Jararweh, Duquesne University, USA Zongpeng Li, Wuhan University, China & University of Calgary, Canada Jie Wu, Temple University, USA Jinsong Wu, Universidad de Chile, Chile From nobody Mon Dec 16 01:56:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F2D120129; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 01:56:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I5HruXmMeZ7y; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 01:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EF68120127; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 01:56:25 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.69,321,1571695200"; d="scan'208";a="333295827" Received: from tadam.loria.fr (HELO [152.81.3.52]) ([152.81.3.52]) by mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA; 16 Dec 2019 10:56:21 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= To: "nmrg@irtf.org" Cc: "nmrg-chairs@irtf.org" References: <0fcdbe0e-90ad-0c62-eae3-021c131c70df@inria.fr> Message-ID: <6b090fa9-4022-d0ba-3d0d-091208089ccb@inria.fr> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 10:56:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0fcdbe0e-90ad-0c62-eae3-021c131c70df@inria.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 09:56:29 -0000 Dear all, Speaking as an individual. The document already offers a good support to understand the IBN concepts and how they relate to other ones. So I support the adoption of the draft but would like to hear from authors a more concrete working plan for the following items: 1) Principles - abstractions: a lot of potential other principles to be investigated in future revisions. What will be your plan here. Are some of these principles already identified to be documented (some priority) or are they open questions for the community? Note that explainability is already in item 5. I recommend not to use "how to?" for principles. 2) Lifecycle: different lifecycles are proposed in the draft. I understand from discussions it is hard/impossible to have a unique lifecycle for IBN. However, will it be possible to identify one or a few of "generic lifecycles" with minimal functions? Or should it be possible to identify a core sets of "atomic" functions and a secondary sets? In my opinion, in the two lifecycles proposed, there are some clear similarities in their description (plan  ~ decompose ? render ~ communicate ?) and so some convergence might de done. Below are other comments on specific items: - "Ideally, it should not even be orchestrated or broken down by a higher-level, centralized system, but by the network devices themselves" -> so it supposes that ideally it should be decentralized. Why an IBN system should be decentralized. I think from a conceptual point of view, there is no reason for that. - "this interpretation opens a slippery slope of how to clearly distinguish "intent" from other higher-layer abstractions": good to plan to investigate that in further revisions but would like to understand how you plan to address this, in particular to see if you plan to modify the intent concepts/definition to make it quite unique or evaluate how much they are close/far from other propositions. - Section 4.2.2: "it is present today..." -> but reference is from 2007, maybe complete with a more recent one. - Section 4.2.3 - difference with service models: in my understanding, you decouple here, the model itself from the orchestrator but we could think the same between "intent expression" and "intent realization" - Lifecycle: refer to figure in text (hard to map each function into figure, no 1-to-1 mapping) Best regards jerome Le 04/12/2019 à 18:27, Jérôme François a écrit : > Dear all, > > We recently received an RG adoption request for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03 > (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03.txt) > > Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if you > think it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed comments to > support your opinion and send them on the mailing list. > > This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 2019. > > The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detailed here: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU > > Best regards > NMRG chairs > Laurent & Jérôme > > > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg From nobody Mon Dec 16 02:27:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5486612016E; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 02:27:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id muzAlAOZ1xST; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 02:27:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D479120088; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 02:27:13 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.69,321,1571695200"; d="scan'208";a="333302124" Received: from tadam.loria.fr (HELO [152.81.3.52]) ([152.81.3.52]) by mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA; 16 Dec 2019 11:27:10 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= To: "nmrg@irtf.org" Cc: "nmrg-chairs@irtf.org" References: Message-ID: <9027c218-5312-daea-be90-2ad9b2991d54@inria.fr> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 11:27:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: fr Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 10:27:15 -0000 Dear all, Speaking as an individual. It is clearly valuable to have some concrete examples of intents from different perspectives. It will help the global understanding of IBN but I have the same concerns as others expressed in the mailing list. It is unclear what are the criteria of classification and why those criteria have been selected and how much representative they are. As an intent definition can come from different perspectives (technical or business for instance), a unique methodology for classification should be proposed to integrate all of them. It will be a good value for such a document. Using then examples to validate the classification methodology should be more documented with references in my opinion. Best regards jerome Le 04/12/2019 à 18:24, Jérôme François a écrit : > Dear all, > > We recently received an RG adoption request for > draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 > (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt) > > Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or if you > think it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed comments to > support your opinion and send them on the mailing list. > > This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 December 2019. > > The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detailed here: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU > > Best regards > NMRG chairs > Laurent & Jérôme > From nobody Tue Dec 17 02:12:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4412E1209C5; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 02:12:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O91b8Jv0oNS2; 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Tue, 17 Dec 2019 11:12:09 +0100 From: Olga Havel To: =?utf-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= , "nmrg@irtf.org" CC: "nmrg-chairs@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 Thread-Index: AQHVqshZhkKpPTEjlUC9PG9gJ0IhHae8kGsAgAGXiaA= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 10:12:09 +0000 Message-ID: <405221e6c9854a33900959812a5577f1@huawei.com> References: <9027c218-5312-daea-be90-2ad9b2991d54@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: <9027c218-5312-daea-be90-2ad9b2991d54@inria.fr> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.206.138.163] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 10:12:17 -0000 SGkgSmVyb21lLA0KDQpUaGFuayB5b3UgdmVyeSBtdWNoIGZvciB5b3VyIGNvbW1lbnRzLiBJIHRo aW5rIG15IHJlcGx5IHRvIExhdXJlbnQgYWxzbyBhcHBsaWVzIGhlcmUsIGFzIHlvdXIgY29tbWVu dCBpcyBzaW1pbGFyLiBJIGRvIGJlbGlldmUgdGhhdCB3ZSBzaG91bGQgYWdyZWUgdGhlIG92ZXJh bGwgbWV0aG9kb2xvZ3kgZm9yIHRoZSBncm91cCB0aGF0IHdvdWxkIGRyaXZlIG5vdCBqdXN0IGlu dGVudCBjbGFzc2lmaWNhdGlvbiwgYnV0IGFsc28gaW50ZW50IGFuZCBJQk4gc3lzdGVtIGRlZmlu aXRpb24sIGludGVudCBhcmNoaXRlY3R1cmUsIGV0Yy4gTmV2ZXJ0aGVsZXNzLCBpbiB0aGUgbWVh bnRpbWUgSSB3b3VsZCBsaWtlIHRvIHVuZGVyc3RhbmQgd2hhdCBjaGFuZ2UgaW4gb3VyIGRyYWZ0 IHdvdWxkIGJlIHN1ZmZpY2llbnQgYXQgdGhpcyBzdGFnZSB0byBhcHByb3ZlIHRoZSBkcmFmdC4g V291bGQgYWRkaW5nIGEgJ0NsYXNzaWZpY2F0aW9uIE1ldGhvZG9sb2d5JyBzZWN0aW9uIGF0IHRo ZSBiZWdpbm5pbmcgb2YgdGhlIGRyYWZ0IGFuZCBtb3ZpbmcgdGFibGVzIHRvIHRoZSBhZGRlbmR1 bSBiZSBzdWZmaWNpZW50IGNoYW5nZSB0byBhZGRyZXNzIHlvdXIgY29tbWVudHM/DQoNCkJlc3Qg UmVnYXJkcywNCk9sZ2EgIA0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogbm1y ZyBbbWFpbHRvOm5tcmctYm91bmNlc0BpcnRmLm9yZ10gT24gQmVoYWxmIE9mIErDqXLDtG1lIEZy YW7Dp29pcw0KU2VudDogTW9uZGF5IDE2IERlY2VtYmVyIDIwMTkgMTA6MjcNClRvOiBubXJnQGly dGYub3JnDQpDYzogbm1yZy1jaGFpcnNAaXJ0Zi5vcmcNClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbbm1yZ10gQWRv cHRpb24gY2FsbCBmb3IgZHJhZnQtbGktbm1yZy1pbnRlbnQtY2xhc3NpZmljYXRpb24tMDINCg0K RGVhciBhbGwsDQoNClNwZWFraW5nIGFzIGFuIGluZGl2aWR1YWwuDQoNCkl0IGlzIGNsZWFybHkg dmFsdWFibGUgdG8gaGF2ZSBzb21lIGNvbmNyZXRlIGV4YW1wbGVzIG9mIGludGVudHMgZnJvbSBk aWZmZXJlbnQgcGVyc3BlY3RpdmVzLiBJdCB3aWxsIGhlbHAgdGhlIGdsb2JhbCB1bmRlcnN0YW5k aW5nIG9mIElCTiBidXQgSSBoYXZlIHRoZSBzYW1lIGNvbmNlcm5zIGFzIG90aGVycyBleHByZXNz ZWQgaW4gdGhlIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdC4gSXQgaXMgdW5jbGVhciB3aGF0IGFyZSB0aGUgY3JpdGVy aWEgb2YgY2xhc3NpZmljYXRpb24gYW5kIHdoeSB0aG9zZSBjcml0ZXJpYSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gc2Vs ZWN0ZWQgYW5kIGhvdyBtdWNoIHJlcHJlc2VudGF0aXZlIHRoZXkgYXJlLg0KQXMgYW4gaW50ZW50 IGRlZmluaXRpb24gY2FuIGNvbWUgZnJvbSBkaWZmZXJlbnQgcGVyc3BlY3RpdmVzICh0ZWNobmlj YWwgb3IgYnVzaW5lc3MgZm9yIGluc3RhbmNlKSwgYSB1bmlxdWUgbWV0aG9kb2xvZ3kgZm9yIGNs YXNzaWZpY2F0aW9uIHNob3VsZCBiZSBwcm9wb3NlZCB0byBpbnRlZ3JhdGUgYWxsIG9mIHRoZW0u IEl0IHdpbGwgYmUgYSBnb29kIHZhbHVlIGZvciBzdWNoIGEgZG9jdW1lbnQuIFVzaW5nIHRoZW4g ZXhhbXBsZXMgdG8gdmFsaWRhdGUgdGhlIGNsYXNzaWZpY2F0aW9uIG1ldGhvZG9sb2d5IHNob3Vs ZCBiZSBtb3JlIGRvY3VtZW50ZWQgd2l0aCByZWZlcmVuY2VzIGluIG15IG9waW5pb24uDQoNCkJl c3QgcmVnYXJkcw0KamVyb21lDQoNCg0KTGUgMDQvMTIvMjAxOSDDoCAxODoyNCwgSsOpcsO0bWUg RnJhbsOnb2lzIGEgw6ljcml0wqA6DQo+IERlYXIgYWxsLA0KPg0KPiBXZSByZWNlbnRseSByZWNl aXZlZCBhbiBSRyBhZG9wdGlvbiByZXF1ZXN0IGZvcg0KPiBkcmFmdC1saS1ubXJnLWludGVudC1j bGFzc2lmaWNhdGlvbi0wMg0KPiAoaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaWV0Zi5vcmcvaWQvZHJhZnQtbGktbm1y Zy1pbnRlbnQtY2xhc3NpZmljYXRpb24tMDIudHh0KQ0KPg0KPiBQbGVhc2UgbGV0IHVzIGtub3cg aWYgeW91IHN1cHBvcnQgdGhlIHdvcmsgYmVjb21pbmcgYSBSRyBkb2N1bWVudCBvciANCj4gaWYg eW91IHRoaW5rIGl0IHNob3VsZCBub3QgYmUgYWRvcHRlZC4gSW4gYWxsIGNhc2VzLCBwcm92aWRl IGRldGFpbGVkIA0KPiBjb21tZW50cyB0byBzdXBwb3J0IHlvdXIgb3BpbmlvbiBhbmQgc2VuZCB0 aGVtIG9uIHRoZSBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QuDQo+DQo+IFRoaXMgY2FsbCBmb3IgYWRvcHRpb24gaXMg b3BlbiBmb3IgdHdvIHdlZWtzIGFuZCBlbmRzIHVwIG9uIDE5IERlY2VtYmVyIDIwMTkuDQo+DQo+ IFRoZSBwcm9jZWR1cmUgZm9yIFJHIGRvY3VtZW50IGFkb3B0aW9uIGFuZCBpbXBvcnRhbnQgY3Jp dGVyaWEgYXJlIGRldGFpbGVkIGhlcmU6IA0KPiBodHRwczovL21haWxhcmNoaXZlLmlldGYub3Jn L2FyY2gvbXNnL25tcmcvQ1ZFeUxVdmZ4SmsxVWQ1V2RNOVk1TEd2UW1VDQo+DQo+IEJlc3QgcmVn YXJkcw0KPiBOTVJHIGNoYWlycw0KPiBMYXVyZW50ICYgSsOpcsO0bWUNCj4NCg0KX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18NCm5tcmcgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0 DQpubXJnQGlydGYub3JnDQpodHRwczovL3d3dy5pcnRmLm9yZy9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL25t cmcNCg== From nobody Wed Dec 18 01:56:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@irtf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13421200FD; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 01:56:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.113.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157666301472.29999.7969713062657994922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 01:56:54 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] The NMRG RG has placed draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent in state "Candidate RG Document" X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:56:55 -0000 The NMRG RG has placed draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent in state Candidate RG Document (entered by Laurent Ciavaglia) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent/ From nobody Wed Dec 18 02:04:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@irtf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0911200FD; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 02:04:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.113.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157666348732.29987.13295152681491925966.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 02:04:47 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] The NMRG RG has placed draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification in state "Candidate RG Document" X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 10:04:47 -0000 The NMRG RG has placed draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification in state Candidate RG Document (entered by Laurent Ciavaglia) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification/ From nobody Thu Dec 19 09:27:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE705120853 for ; 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Dear all,

I support the adoption of this draft. It discusses = what intent means to different stakeholders, = describes different ways to classify&nb= sp;intent, and an associated taxonomy&n= bsp;of this classification. It is a good foundation for discussing in= tent related topics.

Ying CHENG  =E7=A8=8B=E8=8E=B9
Technology Department, China Unicom =E4=B8=AD=E5=9B=BD=E8=81=94=E9=80=9A=E9= =9B=86=E5=9B=A2=E6=8A=80=E6=9C=AF=E9=83=A8
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Date: 2019-12-05 01:24
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Subject: [nmrg] Adoption call for draft-li-nmrg-intent-cla= ssification-02
Dear all,
 
We recently received an RG adoption request for
draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02
(https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.txt)
 
Please let us know if you support the work becoming a RG document or i= f you think
it should not be adopted. In all cases, provide detailed comments to s= upport your
opinion and send them on the mailing list.
 
This call for adoption is open for two weeks and ends up on 19 Decembe= r 2019.
 
The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are deta= iled here:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU=
 
Best regards
NMRG chairs
Laurent & J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me
 
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Dear all,

The RG chairs thank all the participants who replied and provided comments to the call for adoption for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-02.

Based on the discussion and feedback received during the IETF 106 meeting in Singapore and by email, a general interest for the document has been expressed.

However, based on the several technical comments and issues raised, it appears that the document needs to be improved to meet the defined adoption criteria.

In particular:
- Purpose / scope of the draft: the purpose, and so the end value of the draft for the group and IBN community, has to be refined. Its content must support further research in a durable manner and must go beyond a directory of use cases of IBN.
- Scientific quality and impact: the produced classification should be the result of a more rigorous method, to be defined in the document. Such methodology should define the criteria/attributes allowing to capture the different cases, validation of the methodology with concrete/existing IBN systems and referencing those when possible.

Therefore, authors are highly encouraged to take these remarks into account for revising their document to fulfill all criteria for adoption and possibly request a new call.
To do so, we expect the authors and participants to continue the discussion started through the mailing list to align the future revision with the group expectations. A dedicated slot in the next virtual meeting (planned for end of January) will be allocated to check the status of the draft and discussion.



Best regards
NMRG chairs
Laurent & Jérôme



--------------3F2CDE66A8003F8DEDEA8DC1-- From nobody Fri Dec 20 06:47:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55204120072; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 06:47:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gsKTQYSjig0Y; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 06:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7153212006E; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 06:47:27 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.69,336,1571695200"; d="scan'208,217";a="333885059" Received: from 5-49-187-0.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr (HELO [192.168.1.19]) ([5.49.187.0]) by mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA; 20 Dec 2019 15:47:25 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgRnJhbsOnb2lz?= To: "nmrg@irtf.org" Cc: "nmrg-chairs@irtf.org" Message-ID: <3ab9f0be-2b9e-8c1d-8d02-deb195755410@inria.fr> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:47:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------ACA3DB1EAFA49D6CAC46EC4F" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] Adoption call result for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 14:47:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ACA3DB1EAFA49D6CAC46EC4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all, The RG chairs thank all the participants who replied and provided comments to the call for adoption for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03. Based on the discussion and feedback received during the IETF 106 in Singapore and by email, a strong support for its adoption has been expressed. The positive comments confirm the maturity of the draft in regards to the different criteria for adoption. Draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent will thus become an official document of the group. Now, we request the authors to: 1) upload the current version as a group draft. NO modification to the content shall to be made for version 0. Only the title must be reformatted according to the following format: draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-[title]-[version] Note: this format will be used for all IBN-related drafts adopted by the RG. 2) start preparing the revision of the document based on the received comments. Best regards, NMRG chairs Laurent & Jérôme --------------ACA3DB1EAFA49D6CAC46EC4F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Dear all,

The RG chairs thank all the participants who replied and provided comments to the call for adoption for draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent-03.

Based on the discussion and feedback received during the IETF 106 in Singapore and by email, a strong support for its adoption has been expressed.
The positive comments confirm the maturity of the draft in regards to the different criteria for adoption.

Draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent will thus become an official document of the group.

Now, we request the authors to:
1) upload the current version as a group draft. NO modification to the content shall to be made for version 0. Only the title must be reformatted according to the following format:
draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-[title]-[version]
Note: this format will be used for all IBN-related drafts adopted by the RG.

2) start preparing the revision of the document based on the received comments.


Best regards,

NMRG chairs
Laurent & Jérôme



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This draft is a work item of the Network Management RG of the IRTF. Title : Intent-Based Networking - Concepts and Definitions Authors : Alexander Clemm Laurent Ciavaglia Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-00.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2019-12-24 Abstract: Intent and Intent-Based Networking are taking the industry by storm. At the same time, those terms are used loosely and often inconsistently, in many cases overlapping and confused with other concepts such as "policy". This document is intended to clarify the concept of "Intent" and provide an overview of functionality that associated with it. The goal is to contribute towards a common and shared understanding of terms, concepts, and functionality which can be used as foundation to guide further definition of associated research and engineering problems and their solutions. 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These opportunities include locally sharing information, collaborating, and generating/consuming a huge amount of data, by involving a variety of entities, such as small data centers, end devices, and resource-sufficient networking nodes. Fog/Edge Computing is usually expected to bring the resources, including storage and computation closer to users (in comparison to Cloud Computing). At the Internet edge, significant effort needs to be focused on to provide a trustworthy computation edge networking environment to enable new computation technologies. For examples, distributed big data analytics, modern Machine Learning (ML) technology, Artificial Intelligence (AI), real-time data collection and processing, scalable and distributed security solutions such as blockchain, and distributed secure data processing, may play a significant role. Moreover, new networking technologies related to Information-Centric Networking (ICN), Software-Defined Networking (SDN), Network Function Virtualization (NFV), and network slicing have emerged as the novel networking paradigms for fast and efficient delivering and retrieving data. This triggers the convergence between the emerging networking concepts and the new computation technologies to reach the vision of an intelligent and trustworthy Internet edge. In particular, in order to implement such trustworthy edge networks and services, several operation and management challenges associated with intelligent and trustworthy Internet edge need to be addressed. These challenges include: trustworthy connectivity and network resource management for heterogeneous networking (HetNet); security monitoring, measurement, and assessment to ensure networking and management functions to protect data integrity; effective ML and computation models to consider different resources (storage, networking, and computing), security requirements, and real-time constraints; trustworthiness of data sources; in-network data processing and aggregation, intelligent planning and decision models to handle security and application requirements. This special issue focuses on the challenges, management infrastructure, applications and major advancements in Internet edge-based secure network management solutions. We hence encourage original paper submissions, which have not been published or submitted for publication elsewhere, from both academia and industry presenting novel research addressing the aforementioned challenges. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: - Secure intelligent edge systems and networking architectures/protocols to integrate storage, computation, and networking; - Secure intelligent coordination and networking between edge, fog, and cloud; - Software architectures and toolkits for secure intelligent Internet edge; - Trust management and networking among intelligent edges; - Intelligent and secure service function/computation chaining; - Secure NFV, SDN, and network slicing for distributed computations; - Secure ICN with/for edge-enabled Internet; - Secure in-network computation for future networks, inter-data center networking and 5G; - Privacy management for intelligent Internet edge; - Accountability, reliability, and resiliency for intelligent Internet edge= ; - Quality of Service/Experience and energy efficiency for secure intelligent Internet edges; - Distributed AI with/for secure edge networking; - Distributed ML with enhanced data privacy, ownership, and obfuscation; - Integrating Blockchain with distributed edges and Internet finance; - Data mining and big data analytics for security management in edge networking; - Trustworthy data collection and processing for big data at the edge; - Privacy-preserving big data processing at the edge; - Emerging applications for intelligent secure Internet edge, such as AR/VR, IoT, industrial IoT for Industry 4.0, 5G, cyber-physical system, smart city, vehicular system, healthcare; - Management framework for intelligent secure Internet edge; - Security performance monitoring, measurements, modelling, and evaluations for intelligent Internet edge; - SDN/NFV security architectures and applications for Internet edge; - Security mechanisms in wireless SDN/NFV. Planned Schedule Open-submission schedule: In this special issue, we implement an =E2=80=9Co= pen=E2=80=9D submission approach, where we do not have a submission time period. Interested authors can submit the paper any time before a fixed deadline, and the review process will be started right after the paper submission, i.e., in a first-in first-serve fashion. The detailed submission schedule is presented as follows: - Manuscript Due: January 31, 2020 - Revision notification: 2-month after the submission - Revised paper due: 1.5-month after the revision notification - Final notification: 1-month after the revised paper notification - Expected Publication of the Special Issue: third-quarter of 2020 (early accepted papers will be accessible online before the deadline) Submission Format and Review Guidelines The submitted manuscripts must be written in English and describe original research not published nor currently under review by other journals or conferences. Parallel submissions will not be accepted. All submitted papers, if relevant to the theme and objectives of the special issue, will go through an external peer-review process. Submissions should (i) conform strictly to the Instructions for Authors available on the JNSM website and (ii) be submitted through the Editorial Management system available at http://www.editorialmanager.com/jons. Guest Editors of the Special Issue: =E2=97=8F Dr. Dijiang Huang, Arizona State University, USA Email: dijiang.huang@asu.edu =E2=97=8F Dr. J=C3=A9ferson Campos Nobre, Federal University of Rio Grande = do Sul (UFRGS), Brazil Email: jcnobre@inf.ufrgs.br =E2=97=8F Dr. Ruidong Li, NICT, Japan Email: lrd@nict.go.jp =E2=97=8F Dr. Paolo Bellavista, DEIS, Universit=C3=A0 di Bologna, Email: paolo.bellavista@unibo.it =E2=80=A2 Dr. Abdelkader Lahmadi, University of Lorraine, France Email: Abdelkader.lahmadi@loria.fr ---------------------------------------------------- Prof. Dr. J=C3=A9ferson Campos Nobre Instituto de Inform=C3=A1tica Programa de P=C3=B3s-Gradua=C3=A7=C3=A3o em Computa=C3=A7=C3=A3o Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~jcnobre ---------------------------------------------------- --0000000000001ae39b059b00316b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
JOURNAL OF NETWORK AND SYSTEMS MANAGEMENT (SPRINGER)

SPECIAL ISSUE

Intelligent and Trust= worthy Internet Edge

*** Submissions due: January 31, 2020 (hard, no= further extension) ***

[We encourage early submission, please check= the open submission schedule policy below]

The emerging availabilit= y and the promising growing functionality of Internet edges, where humans a= nd IoT devices are connected to the network, are opening a wide set of new = opportunities, both for novel services/applications and increased efficienc= y/scalability. These opportunities include locally sharing information, col= laborating, and generating/consuming a huge amount of data, by involving a = variety of entities, such as small data centers, end devices, and resource-= sufficient networking nodes. Fog/Edge Computing is usually expected to brin= g the resources, including storage and computation closer to users (in comp= arison to Cloud Computing). At the Internet edge, significant effort needs = to be focused on to provide a trustworthy computation edge networking envir= onment to enable new computation technologies. For examples, distributed bi= g data analytics, modern Machine Learning (ML) technology, Artificial Intel= ligence (AI), real-time data collection and processing, scalable and distri= buted security solutions such as blockchain, and distributed secure data pr= ocessing, may play a significant role. Moreover, new networking technologie= s related to Information-Centric Networking (ICN), Software-Defined Network= ing (SDN), Network Function Virtualization (NFV), and network slicing have = emerged as the novel networking paradigms for fast and efficient delivering= and retrieving data. This triggers the convergence between the emerging ne= tworking concepts and the new computation technologies to reach the vision = of an intelligent and trustworthy Internet edge.

In particula= r, in order to implement such trustworthy edge networks and services, sever= al operation and management challenges associated with intelligent and trus= tworthy Internet edge need to be addressed. These challenges include: trust= worthy connectivity and network resource management for heterogeneous netwo= rking (HetNet); security monitoring, measurement, and assessment to ensure = networking and management functions to protect data integrity; effective ML= and computation models to consider different resources (storage, networkin= g, and computing), security requirements, and real-time constraints; trustw= orthiness of data sources; in-network data processing and aggregation, inte= lligent planning and decision models to handle security and application req= uirements.

This special issue focuses on the challenges, management = infrastructure, applications and major advancements in Internet edge-based = secure network management solutions. We hence encourage original paper subm= issions, which have not been published or submitted for publication elsewhe= re, from both academia and industry presenting novel research addressing th= e aforementioned challenges.

Topics of interest include, but = are not limited to:
- Secure intelligent edge systems and networking arc= hitectures/protocols to integrate storage, computation, and networking;
= - Secure intelligent coordination and networking between edge, fog, and clo= ud;
- Software architectures and toolkits for secure intelligent Interne= t edge;
- Trust management and networking among intelligent edges;
- = Intelligent and secure service function/computation chaining;
- Secure N= FV, SDN, and network slicing for distributed computations;
- Secure ICN = with/for edge-enabled Internet;
- Secure in-network computation for futu= re networks, inter-data center networking and 5G;
- Privacy management f= or intelligent Internet edge;
- Accountability, reliability, and resilie= ncy for intelligent Internet edge;
- Quality of Service/Experience and e= nergy efficiency for secure intelligent Internet edges;
- Distributed AI= with/for secure edge networking;
- Distributed ML with enhanced data pr= ivacy, ownership, and obfuscation;
- Integrating Blockchain with distrib= uted edges and Internet finance;
- Data mining and big data analytics fo= r security management in edge networking;
- Trustworthy data collection = and processing for big data at the edge;
- Privacy-preserving big data p= rocessing at the edge;
- Emerging applications for intelligent secure In= ternet edge, such as AR/VR, IoT, industrial IoT for Industry 4.0, 5G, cyber= -physical system, smart city, vehicular system, healthcare;
- Management= framework for intelligent secure Internet edge;
- Security perfo= rmance monitoring, measurements, modelling, and evaluations for intelligent= Internet edge;
- SDN/NFV security architectures and applications for In= ternet edge;
- Security mechanisms in wireless SDN/NFV.

Planned S= chedule
Open-submission schedule: In this special issue, we implement an= =E2=80=9Copen=E2=80=9D submission approach, where we do not have a submiss= ion time period. Interested authors can submit the paper any time before a = fixed deadline, and the review process will be started right after the pape= r submission, i.e., in a first-in first-serve fashion.=C2=A0
The = detailed submission schedule is presented as follows:
- Manuscript Due: = January 31, 2020
- Revision notification: 2-month after the submission- Revised paper due: 1.5-month after the revision notification
- Final= notification: 1-month after the revised paper notification
- Expected P= ublication of the Special Issue: third-quarter of 2020 (early accepted pape= rs will be accessible online before the deadline)

Submission = Format and Review Guidelines
The submitted manuscripts must be written i= n English and describe original research not published nor currently under = review by other journals or conferences. Parallel submissions will not be a= ccepted. All submitted papers, if relevant to the theme and objectives of t= he special issue, will go through an external peer-review process. Submissi= ons should (i) conform strictly to the Instructions for Authors available o= n the JNSM website and (ii) be submitted through the Editorial Management s= ystem available at http://www.editorialmanager.com/jons.

Guest E= ditors of the Special Issue:
=E2=97=8F Dr. Dijiang Huang, Arizona State = University, USA
Email: dijiang.huang@asu.edu
=E2=97=8F Dr. J=C3=A9ferson Campos= Nobre, Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul (UFRGS), Brazil
Email: <= a href=3D"mailto:jcnobre@inf.ufrgs.br" target=3D"_blank">jcnobre@inf.ufrgs.= br
=E2=97=8F Dr. Ruidong Li, NICT, Japan
Email: lrd@nict.go.jp
=E2=97=8F Dr. Paol= o Bellavista, DEIS, Universit=C3=A0 di Bologna,
Email: paolo.bellavista@unibo.it=
=E2=80=A2 Dr. Abdelkader Lahmadi, University of Lorraine, France
Ema= il: Abdelk= ader.lahmadi@loria.fr

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Prof. Dr. J=C3=A9ferson Campos Nobre
I= nstituto de Inform=C3=A1tica
Programa de P=C3=B3s-Gradua=C3=A7=C3= =A3o em Computa=C3=A7=C3=A3o
Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sulhttp://www= .inf.ufrgs.br/~jcnobre
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