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charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Descampe-san, The socond solution is simple because the metadata packets and the coded-da= ta packets can be clearly classified using slice counters. In case of the first solution, since the EOC marker is mapped to the same p= acket as a coded-data, the above clear classification can not be performed. Best regards, Junichiro Kawamoto, NHK (Japan Broadcasting Corporation) =1B$B:9=3DP?M=1B(B: Antonin Descampe =1B$BAw?.F|;~=1B(B: 5=1B$B7n=1B(B29=1B$BF|?eMKF|=1B(B 17:53 =1B$B7oL>=1B(B: [payload] EOC marker in RTP transport of JPEG XS =1B$B08@h=1B(B: payload@ietf.org Dear all, In the current version of the ID of RTP payload format for ISO/IEC 21122 (J= PEG XS) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-jpegxs/ the EOC marker (end of codestream, 2 bytes long) is transported in its own = RTP packet, which leads to a suboptimal situation when padding is enabled, = as a complete RTP packet is used for transporting only 2 bytes of metadata. Two solutions are envisioned to solve this issue: 1/ Include the EOC marker in the previous packet (the one containing entrop= y coded data from the last slice). 2/ Simply drop the EOC marker and mark the packet containing data from the = last slice as the last packet of the frame. We advocate for the second solution as it avoids mixing entropy-coded data = and metadata within the same RTP packet, but it also has the drawback to re= quire to regenerate an EOC marker at decoding side if a fully compliant JPE= G XS codestream is needed. Any opinion/advice on this ? Any other comment on the current version of the RTP payload format is also = welcome. FYI, the current version is a much simpler version than the previo= us one and is now in a pretty mature stage. Kind regards, Antonin Descampe -- Antonin Descampe - Ph.D. Compression technologist IntoPIX s.a. +32 10 23 84 70 (Office) a.descampe@intopix.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: Unless otherwise explicitly or implictly stated, th= is email message and any of its attachments are the property of intoPIX SA = and are strictly confidential. If you are an unintended recipient, please notify the sender immediately. --_000_TY2PR01MB37241B21966449E1FC7C407DF1140TY2PR01MB3724jpnp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Descampe-san,

The socond solution is simple because the metadata packets and the coded-da= ta packets can be clearly classified using slice counters.

In case of the first solution, since the EOC marker is mapped to the same p= acket as a coded-data, the above clear classification can not be performed.=

Best regards,

Junichiro Kawamoto,
NHK (Japan Broadcasting Corporation)


=1B$B:9=3DP?M=1B(B: Antonin Descampe
=1B$BAw?.F|;~=1B(B: 5=1B$B7n=1B(B29=1B$BF|?eMKF|=1B(B 17:53
=1B$B7oL>=1B(B: [payload] EOC marker in RTP transport of JPEG XS
=1B$B08@h=1B(B: payload@ietf.org


Dear all,

In the current version of the ID of RTP payload format for ISO/IEC 21122 (J= PEG XS) 

the EOC marker (end of codestream, 2 bytes long) is transported in its own = RTP packet, which leads to a suboptimal situation when padding is enabled, = as a complete RTP packet is used for transporting only 2 bytes of metadata.=

Two solutions are envisioned to solve this issue:
1/ Include the EOC marker in the previous packet (the one containing entrop= y coded data from the last slice).
2/ Simply drop the EOC marker and mark the packet containing data from the = last slice as the last packet of the frame.

We advocate for the second solution as it avoids mixing entropy-coded data = and metadata within the same RTP packet, but it also has the drawback to re= quire to regenerate an EOC marker at decoding side if a fully compliant JPE= G XS codestream is needed.

Any opinion/advice on this ?

Any other comment on the current version of the RTP payload format is also = welcome. FYI, the current version is a much simpler version than the previo= us one and is now in a pretty mature stage.

Kind regards,

Antonin Descampe


--
Antonin Descampe - Ph.D.
Compression technologist 

IntoPIX s.a.
+32 10 23 84 70 (Office)
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: Unless otherwise explicitly or implictly state= d, this email message and any of its attachments are the property of i= ntoPIX SA and are strictly confidential.
If you are an unintended recipient, please notify the sender immediately.

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auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: payload@ietf.org Message-ID: <156024641051.30882.9240378193229004405@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 02:46:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-02.txt X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 09:46:51 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Payloads WG of the IETF. Title : RTP Payload for TTML Timed Text Author : James Sandford Filename : draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-02.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2019-06-11 Abstract: This memo describes a Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) payload format for TTML, an XML based timed text format for live and file based workflows from W3C. This payload format is specifically targeted at live workflows using TTML. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jun 11 02:53:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628AD1200E3 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 02:53:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RhBQPcCzcQKu for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 02:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout0.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk (mailout0.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk [132.185.160.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9105120158 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 02:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BGB01XI1007.national.core.bbc.co.uk (bgb01xi1007.national.core.bbc.co.uk [10.161.14.21]) by mailout0.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x5B9r6gl017831 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:53:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from BGB01XI1016.national.core.bbc.co.uk (10.161.14.79) by BGB01XI1007.national.core.bbc.co.uk (10.161.14.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:53:05 +0100 Received: from BGB01XUD1001.national.core.bbc.co.uk ([10.184.52.80]) by BGB01XI1016.national.core.bbc.co.uk ([10.161.14.79]) with mapi id 14.03.0408.000; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:53:03 +0100 From: James Sandford To: "payload@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHVIDqeGwZwG6pM3E68dwyjBfIYcKaWNNt5 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 09:53:02 +0000 Message-ID: <734752AF0E88364D983373FE5CEFED5770D429A4@bgb01xud1001> References: <156024641051.30882.9240378193229004405@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <156024641051.30882.9240378193229004405@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.19.161.212] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-12.5.0.1300-8.2.1013-24054.007 X-TM-AS-Result: No-6.708300-8.000000-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 1GZI+iG+Mte+moGtOG/rU9xajlW+zwxCAHN/Ezu9EnFUjspoiX02F4Im cVvM1IAEkkk0PSseVnGun8wjeYlO73Cfn8/a/bc1L3ulviDkcK0cQnDpQ6FX018Ay5JsA3H9Jl4 9dycnDjn+JE47uZcUwAd2m1cUUwTvP1DisKR/e5SvThHXboayJ5q7t0wv5i1OtXl9IxEPXOq9aL l7HSMJ0q7TIgV726FLSF5DWAXSB14wk3SkELeip85Scd0yVs+bej8QyNOlLR2h89mqiZyndtax5 +mymYPudNbUU3DBGLYOYLFb+3JssQ8rMzVfGoV9qbg9uWhLYLd1k+gP1XamtJsoi2XrUn/Jzz3j ehzeney6jekn5KxE3AtuKBGekqUpOlxBO2IcOBYjCg1rl6WkfLIKI78c2AVVWoHIbg+JIvHZ+ur 4OhQQ9b8xzEfA1suwQwymtxuJ6y0= X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: Yes X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No X-TMASE-Result: 10--6.708300-8.000000 X-TMASE-Version: SMEX-12.5.0.1300-8.2.1013-24054.007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EXCLAIMER-MD-CONFIG: c91d45b2-6e10-4209-9543-d9970fac71b7 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-02.txt X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 09:53:19 -0000 Changes based on Roni's feedback.=0A= =0A= With respect to the point on weather EBU-TT Part 3 should get its own secti= on in this document. I have spoken to Nigel and we have decided to remove t= hat section from this document and intend to create another document, possi= ble with the EBU, describing the considerations of using this payload forma= t in EBU-TT Part 3 workflows. While EBU-TT Part 3 is the only streaming TTM= L2 profile published currently, others may become available in the future. = We have therefore decided it is most appropriate to split this information = out.=0A= =0A= Regards,=0A= James=0A= =0A= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= James Sandford=0A= R&D Engineer=0A= =0A= BBC Research and Development=0A= 5th Floor=0A= Dock House=0A= MediaCityUK=0A= Salford=0A= M50 2LH=0A= =0A= Tel: 030304 (09549)=0A= Web: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd=0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: payload [payload-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.= org [internet-drafts@ietf.org]=0A= Sent: 11 June 2019 10:46=0A= To: i-d-announce@ietf.org=0A= Cc: payload@ietf.org=0A= Subject: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-02.txt=0A= =0A= A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.=0A= This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Payloads WG of the I= ETF.=0A= =0A= Title : RTP Payload for TTML Timed Text=0A= Author : James Sandford=0A= Filename : draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-02.txt=0A= Pages : 16=0A= Date : 2019-06-11=0A= =0A= Abstract:=0A= This memo describes a Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) payload=0A= format for TTML, an XML based timed text format for live and file=0A= based workflows from W3C. This payload format is specifically=0A= targeted at live workflows using TTML.=0A= =0A= =0A= The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:=0A= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml/=0A= =0A= There are also htmlized versions available at:=0A= https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-02=0A= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-02=0A= =0A= A diff from the previous version is available at:=0A= https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-02=0A= =0A= =0A= Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n=0A= until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.=0A= =0A= Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:=0A= ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/=0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= payload mailing list=0A= payload@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload=0A= From nobody Wed Jun 26 23:24:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22B012012E for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 23:24:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tPGnR0BlOvyU for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 23:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A19411200B6 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 23:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 28A8151DF273319084F7 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:24:49 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml715-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.66) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.48) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:24:48 +0100 Received: from lhreml715-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.66) by lhreml715-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.66) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:24:48 +0100 Received: from DGGEMM422-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.198.39) by lhreml715-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.66) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:24:48 +0100 Received: from DGGEMM526-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.116]) by dggemm422-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.198.39]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:24:45 +0800 From: "Roni Even (A)" To: "payload@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WGLC on RTP Payload for TTML Timed Text Thread-Index: AdUssIz2tDDaEqWzTNGWu1PR2Czgqg== Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 06:24:45 +0000 Message-ID: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A604@dggemm526-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.200.202.60] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A604dggemm526mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [payload] WGLC on RTP Payload for TTML Timed Text X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 06:24:53 -0000 --_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A604dggemm526mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I would like to start a three week WGLC on in https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-02. The WGLC will end on July 18th The document was also discussed in W3C TTWG. Please review and send feedback even if it will say that there are no comme= nts. Roni Even Payload WG co-chair --_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A604dggemm526mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I would like to start a three week WGLC on   in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-0= 2.

The WGLC will end on July 18th  

 

The document was also discussed in W3C TTWG.

 

Please review and send feedback even if it will say = that there are no comments.

 =

 =

Roni Even

Payload WG co-chair=

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--_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A604dggemm526mbxchi_-- From nobody Wed Jun 26 23:31:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8E912012A; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 23:31:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3WOhd1Nsly7S; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 23:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA6DD1200B6; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 23:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id DDA4F7EEABB3913BD4CD; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:31:43 +0100 (IST) Received: from DGGEMM401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.20.209) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:31:43 +0100 Received: from DGGEMM526-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.116]) by DGGEMM401-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.3.20.209]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:29:43 +0800 From: "Roni Even (A)" To: "draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml@ietf.org" CC: "payload@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR on draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml Thread-Index: AdUssaywOuCpih7LSciZGuCZiiFCJA== Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 06:29:43 +0000 Message-ID: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A62A@dggemm526-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.200.202.60] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A62Adggemm526mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [payload] IPR on draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 06:31:47 -0000 --_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A62Adggemm526mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, As part of the write-up when sending the draft to publication I need to ask= if the authors are aware of any IPR related to this document . Please let me know Thanks Roni --_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A62Adggemm526mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi guys,

As part of the write-up when sending the draft to pu= blication I need to ask if the authors are aware of any IPR related to this= document .

 

Please let me know

Thanks

Roni

 

--_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A62Adggemm526mbxchi_-- From nobody Thu Jun 27 05:13:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DE9120170; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 05:13:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9uMtNKIaE6nF; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 05:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout0.telhc.bbc.co.uk (mailout0.telhc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.161.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97A3A1200C1; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 05:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BGB01XI1001.national.core.bbc.co.uk ([10.184.50.51]) by mailout0.telhc.bbc.co.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x5RCDGVL014970; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 13:13:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from BGB01XUD1001.national.core.bbc.co.uk ([10.184.52.80]) by BGB01XI1001.national.core.bbc.co.uk ([10.184.50.51]) with mapi id 14.03.0408.000; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 13:13:13 +0100 From: James Sandford To: "Roni Even (A)" , "draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml@ietf.org" CC: "payload@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR on draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml Thread-Index: AdUssaywOuCpih7LSciZGuCZiiFCJAAL2i8i Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 12:13:12 +0000 Message-ID: <734752AF0E88364D983373FE5CEFED5770D56C78@bgb01xud1001> References: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A62A@dggemm526-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A62A@dggemm526-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.19.161.212] x-exclaimer-md-config: c91d45b2-6e10-4209-9543-d9970fac71b7 x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-12.5.0.1300-8.2.1013-24052.007 x-tm-as-result: No-18.310700-8.000000-10 x-tmase-matchedrid: 6lay9u8oTUNxGyfbWjfsSxuurbgYp+HQgqd6JzaZubNJ/oIGXyyX8qgF X2xz5NjH4j4lr4Wn4RisEFKef8ZUxqf50/sZyNUdupDIC9422DrTMQ/93vE8XWKZdwqwG105hQH +YspUfFp2+AZuxakJy6+3J7+PxfNcB4rexQR1xI6WLCkl1lq7B5nZ3QZNYH8lw7+XQ3Lk9nn77e BDbq1tuO+wSELyt95aiMndAzxf2RTgGY7SWh/QcbFPpfdetAtTnjQstLm6Sv3qwb+sMALtiPBNb +zmzECbCDghscD5QNtd7mfKkyCeli9FtW7XfHueqa90R0yJ9dxgnlyN4oKXfOTmsDa105jkP7gD LiEt/1dqoPzeA53v9CbsSgQZE9DDhCmJLIonJhlWjqaf7FeZ1WoRUCZAE9LwN8Ttkd26AVhXK+f 01OcPhSeXP7bUz9aMfyYDewMOrQDcVhfTSdJcuB9kw80dd4buCminWV8ZKxajics02pc07gd7WT ZRpxDrTCPNXkbk3b7A1cveGoOoPg== x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: Yes x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No x-tmase-result: 10--18.310700-8.000000 x-tmase-version: SMEX-12.5.0.1300-8.2.1013-24052.007 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_734752AF0E88364D983373FE5CEFED5770D56C78bgb01xud1001_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [payload] IPR on draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 12:13:36 -0000 --_000_734752AF0E88364D983373FE5CEFED5770D56C78bgb01xud1001_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Neither Nigel or myself are aware of any IPR related the the TTML RTP paylo= ad document. Nigel informs me that TTML is IPR-clear and I am not aware of = anything else in the document that has related IPR. Thanks, James =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D James Sandford R&D Engineer BBC Research and Development 5th Floor Dock House MediaCityUK Salford M50 2LH Tel: 030304 (09549) Web: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd ________________________________ From: Roni Even (A) [roni.even@huawei.com] Sent: 27 June 2019 07:29 To: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml@ietf.org Cc: payload@ietf.org Subject: IPR on draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml Hi guys, As part of the write-up when sending the draft to publication I need to ask= if the authors are aware of any IPR related to this document . Please let me know Thanks Roni --_000_734752AF0E88364D983373FE5CEFED5770D56C78bgb01xud1001_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
Neither Nigel or myself are aware of any IPR related the the TTML RTP = payload document. Nigel informs me that TTML is IPR-clear and I am not awar= e of anything else in the document that has related IPR.

Thanks,
James

        &n= bsp;      
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
James Sandford
R&D Engineer

BBC Research and Development
5th Floor
Dock House
MediaCityUK
Salford
M50 2LH

Tel: 030304 (09549)
Web: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd
From: Roni Even (A) [roni.even@huawei.com= ]
Sent: 27 June 2019 07:29
To: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml@ietf.org
Cc: payload@ietf.org
Subject: IPR on draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml

Hi guys,

As part of the write-up when sending the draft to pu= blication I need to ask if the authors are aware of any IPR related to this= document .

 

Please let me know

Thanks

Roni

 

--_000_734752AF0E88364D983373FE5CEFED5770D56C78bgb01xud1001_-- From nobody Thu Jun 27 05:16:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A364120498; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 05:15:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qzQdW9Wk4aSA; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 05:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26C2E120273; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 05:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 667EF41F87153B334EE1; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 13:15:38 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.58) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.46) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 13:15:30 +0100 Received: from lhreml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.58) by lhreml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.58) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 13:15:30 +0100 Received: from DGGEMM402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.20.210) by lhreml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.58) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 13:15:30 +0100 Received: from DGGEMM526-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.116]) by DGGEMM402-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.3.20.210]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:15:28 +0800 From: "Roni Even (A)" To: James Sandford , "draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml@ietf.org" CC: "payload@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR on draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml Thread-Index: AdUssaywOuCpih7LSciZGuCZiiFCJAAL2i8iAAAt0+A= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 12:15:27 +0000 Message-ID: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A8C7@dggemm526-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A62A@dggemm526-mbx.china.huawei.com> <734752AF0E88364D983373FE5CEFED5770D56C78@bgb01xud1001> In-Reply-To: <734752AF0E88364D983373FE5CEFED5770D56C78@bgb01xud1001> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.200.202.60] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A8C7dggemm526mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [payload] IPR on draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 12:15:48 -0000 --_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A8C7dggemm526mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James thanks, We are only interested if there are IPR on the RTP payload but good to know= about TTML Roni From: James Sandford [mailto:james.sandford@bbc.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 3:13 PM To: Roni Even (A); draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml@ietf.org Cc: payload@ietf.org Subject: RE: IPR on draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml Hello, Neither Nigel or myself are aware of any IPR related the the TTML RTP paylo= ad document. Nigel informs me that TTML is IPR-clear and I am not aware of = anything else in the document that has related IPR. Thanks, James =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D James Sandford R&D Engineer BBC Research and Development 5th Floor Dock House MediaCityUK Salford M50 2LH Tel: 030304 (09549) Web: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd ________________________________ From: Roni Even (A) [roni.even@huawei.com] Sent: 27 June 2019 07:29 To: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml@ietf.org Cc: payload@ietf.org Subject: IPR on draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml Hi guys, As part of the write-up when sending the draft to publication I need to ask= if the authors are aware of any IPR related to this document . Please let me know Thanks Roni --_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18D3A8C7dggemm526mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

James thanks,

We are only interested= if there are IPR on the RTP payload but good to know about TTML

Roni=

 

From: James Sa= ndford [mailto:james.sandford@bbc.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 3:13 PM
To: Roni Even (A); draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml@ietf.org
Cc: payload@ietf.org
Subject: RE: IPR on draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml

 

Hello,

Neither Nigel or myself are = aware of any IPR related the the TTML RTP payload document. Nigel informs m= e that TTML is IPR-clear and I am not aware of anything else in the document that has related IPR.

 

Thanks,

James

 

    &nbs= p;          
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
James Sandford
R&D Engineer

BBC Research and Development
5th Floor
Dock House
MediaCityUK
Salford
M50 2LH

Tel: 030304 (09549)
Web: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd

From: Roni Even (A) [roni.even@hua= wei.com]
Sent: 27 June 2019 07:29
To: draft-ie= tf-payload-rtp-ttml@ietf.org
Cc: payload@ietf.org
Subject: IPR on draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml

Hi guys,

As part of the write-up = when sending the draft to publication I need to ask if the authors are awar= e of any IPR related to this document .

 =

Please let me know<= /o:p>

Thanks=

Roni

 =

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