From nobody Tue Mar 8 03:57:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B6312D67E for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 03:57:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V-lIUCmmDbsX for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 03:57:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A48512D671 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 03:57:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36AE0BE5C for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 11:57:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id io2GWPWUCJGA for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 11:57:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.87.49.100] (unknown [86.46.19.12]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 57E0EBE54 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 11:57:38 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1457438258; bh=kJbfueT4KtFYJVyWij1mP6/BpcmDiUST1pfFTBUEw4M=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=bCvED5oHpHSF6XG83r15ruRueicoDCywYo++6LRC3r8Eeeun7Z4DsuipCj8YT2cSM 3EgU5VnKEbhC/j71YGWzMgFa8WQ5W05WsvTC0JQyZjbpQRd3sit73Eo/Cp23uo7vul lw2c6BRgJY4oGEnqBBmypTE/jbFQskpTnsoEq/tg= To: perpass From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <56DEBE2C.9060202@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 11:57:32 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms070507040207010606070401" Archived-At: Subject: [perpass] a call for papers relevant to this list X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2016 11:57:44 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070507040207010606070401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, For those of you who like to publish stuff, this CFP [1] seems like it may be of interest. Note: I've nothing to do with that call, but might consider submitting something about the fine work generated via this list, not sure if I'll have time though - if someone else does have time/energy and wants to co-author feel free to ping me offlist and we can see if our ideas are sufficiently similar:-) Cheers, S. 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localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE1412D945 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 06:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0-Byk_mOLI5F for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 06:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (mx4.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:2218:2::4:12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBF2D12D962 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 06:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F61C2806BE for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:10:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from relay1.nic.fr (relay1.nic.fr [192.134.4.162]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5902806BB for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:10:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:1348:7::86:133]) by relay1.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF124C002B for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:10:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:10:26 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: perpass@ietf.org Message-ID: <20160316131026.GA13342@nic.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux stretch/sid X-Kernel: Linux 4.3.0-1-686-pae i686 X-Charlie: Je suis Charlie Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Archived-At: Subject: [perpass] What ISPs Can See X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 13:11:11 -0000 Very good technical survey of what the ISP can see on user's traffic, even with encryption. A lot of things the IETF could work on. https://www.teamupturn.com/reports/2016/what-isps-can-see From nobody Wed Mar 23 02:18:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D27312DB87 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 02:18:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zU9JkCXiJGUv for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 02:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [217.70.190.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15A1112DB85 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 02:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 430CC3283E; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 10:18:07 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.sources.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E794B1908D6; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 10:13:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 10:13:34 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: perpass@ietf.org Message-ID: <20160323091334.GA30695@sources.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr" Content-Disposition: inline X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 8.3 X-Charlie: Je suis Charlie User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: Subject: [perpass] [rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org: RFC 7816 on DNS Query Name Minimisation to Improve Privacy] X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 09:18:13 -0000 --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Another RFC which started from perpass. 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RFC 7816 Title: DNS Query Name Minimisation to Improve Privacy Author: S. Bortzmeyer Status: Experimental Stream: IETF Date: March 2016 Mailbox: bortzmeyer+ietf@nic.fr Pages: 11 Characters: 23941 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-09.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7816 DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7816 This document describes a technique to improve DNS privacy, a technique called "QNAME minimisation", where the DNS resolver no longer sends the full original QNAME to the upstream name server. This document is a product of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group of the IETF. EXPERIMENTAL: This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Discussion and suggestions for improvement are requested. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr-- From nobody Wed Mar 23 07:33:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081D012D6A3 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 07:32:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.93 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.93 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fkqDIpfTSAP3 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 07:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spamfilter1.dtu.dk (spamfilter1.dtu.dk [130.225.73.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C16A12D6A2 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 07:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ait-pexedg02.win.dtu.dk (ait-pexedg02.win.dtu.dk [192.38.82.192]) by spamfilter1.dtu.dk with ESMTP id u2NEQ3fK021771-u2NEQ3fM021771 (version=TLSv1.0 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=CAFAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2016 15:26:04 +0100 Received: from ait-pex02mbx04.win.dtu.dk (192.38.82.184) by ait-pexedg02.win.dtu.dk (192.38.82.192) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.266.1; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 15:25:57 +0100 Received: from ait-pex01mbx01.win.dtu.dk ([169.254.1.158]) by ait-pex02mbx04.win.dtu.dk ([169.254.4.47]) with mapi id 14.03.0266.001; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 15:26:04 +0100 From: Hugo Maxwell Connery To: "perpass@ietf.org" , "dprive@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [perpass] [rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org: RFC 7816 on DNS Query Name Minimisation to Improve Privacy] Thread-Index: AQHRhOT/DEAOfZ135Ua2toZmUnwQI59nFRa0 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 14:26:03 +0000 Message-ID: <6CB05D82CE245B4083BBF3B97E2ED47016E552CD@ait-pex01mbx01.win.dtu.dk> References: <20160323091334.GA30695@sources.org> In-Reply-To: <20160323091334.GA30695@sources.org> Accept-Language: en-AU, da-DK, en-US Content-Language: en-AU X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [130.225.73.250] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [perpass] [rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org: RFC 7816 on DNS Query Name Minimisation to Improve Privacy] X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 14:32:58 -0000 Hi, Congratulations to the perpass and dprive communities. It is wonderful to = see the results of many many months of discussion and refinement in DNS ove= r TLS, and Query Minimization (amongst others). The engineers and standards body are responding to RFC 7258 in ways which p= oliticians seem unable. With respect, Hugo Connery.=