From nobody Tue May 3 12:43:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9A812D5C0 for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 12:43:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mQ-cxz-ukHpA for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 12:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [IPv6:2001:4b98:dc0:41:216:3eff:fece:1902]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 325F212B03A for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 12:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 27CC431D57; Tue, 3 May 2016 21:43:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.sources.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C09061908ED; Tue, 3 May 2016 21:41:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 21:41:29 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: perpass@ietf.org Message-ID: <20160503194129.GA25893@sources.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 8.4 X-Charlie: Je suis Charlie User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: Subject: [perpass] [rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org: RFC 7819 on Privacy Considerations for DHCP] X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 19:43:12 -0000 --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline One more "Privacy considerations for protocol X" RFC, this time for DHCP. 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RFC 7819 Title: Privacy Considerations for DHCP Author: S. Jiang, S. Krishnan, T. Mrugalski Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: April 2016 Mailbox: jiangsheng@huawei.com, suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com, tomasz.mrugalski@gmail.com Pages: 14 Characters: 32944 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-dhc-dhcp-privacy-05.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7819 DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7819 DHCP is a protocol that is used to provide addressing and configuration information to IPv4 hosts. This document discusses the various identifiers used by DHCP and the potential privacy issues. This document is a product of the Dynamic Host Configuration Working Group of the IETF. INFORMATIONAL: This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV-- From nobody Tue May 17 23:42:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BAF12D0DA for ; Tue, 17 May 2016 23:42:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.727 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.727 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uvRxizZ8idIz for ; Tue, 17 May 2016 23:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 520EA12D0B0 for ; Tue, 17 May 2016 23:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2A6BDF9 for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:42:00 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id itLvkhJDCD3o for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:41:58 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.87.48.75] (95-45-153-252-dynamic.agg2.phb.bdt-fng.eircom.net [95.45.153.252]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 262CEBDCC for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 07:41:58 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1463553718; bh=8HW/kvlh0s4gdXlyj2tgQAfyO8cyr4UEVYV4GVAuBj4=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=rAb1TYq9Lu/8/wu0GW3/vxsd7n40bnLHBOxabAKpADcjvtFaeH/rt7wsqRV1wHQYO vmoXTX2ncXALll9X1R2o3Hvgbx2l+MJgygtZcx/glT4tzD/Ggovi7Uy8O4iAZeVl3Y xFLDwh8exJFT8nFtshs362EmAGWd7Be7aiOvijnc= To: perpass From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <573C0EB5.4030808@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 07:41:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms050708060809060904040701" Archived-At: Subject: [perpass] Three RFCs issued X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 06:42:02 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050708060809060904040701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And in the for-the-record department, yesterday the RFC editor output: RFC 7858 [1] Specification for DNS over Transport Layer Security (TLS) RFC 7844 [2] Anonymity Profiles for DHCP Clients RFC 7824 [3] Privacy Considerations for DHCPv6 I figure all three can be traced back to this list so thanks again to all who contributed to that process, and special thanks of course to those who put in the work in the DPRIVE and DHC WGs and elsewhere. And as usual, if you can identify another useful target to try tackle, please send mail here... Cheers, S. 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" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 19:51:32 -0000 A nice rant against us :-) http://www.circleid.com/posts/20160526_ietf_descent_into_the_political_rabbit_hole/ From nobody Thu May 26 13:05:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7459012B069 for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 13:05:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id riWT_B27QzJn for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 13:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-x233.google.com (mail-lb0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FF7012D907 for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 13:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lb0-x233.google.com with SMTP id h1so27223934lbj.3 for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 13:05:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=aEOuYmKABFBiVl2DyJO7jGwe0VeFrYbPWd0y8zGsF+k=; b=tSZ+AMGAo1NA6LVsP0u3rf9B7yfLOBw2/uVr1zThvse0q+OwxL+JXjxgxKF0UBgJXc ph9J2wiC1yxQIsl/2pR7Ae2ToZywubN6vEUOk6g4IHodWwtaUoJALaQQI5flZfw5zRdK n3Ua/qDp5av+HqVyKMtobf1wf+QjxN+3aNozqs3UdlWEgI3polTDq1hw1vAK5N48SjMY KqTdJDYq24A2Nt/M5MJpSZhbxAflEObZcAg/PrQYcRhxvddMNF/tBheICRXPJExXy1u1 O4hWeifO5KnsOePkfq0WttiUljVOO/gf87j0IJOkfR4+UcNInepGhMq3AHY3bYRhhmfR Mbbw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aEOuYmKABFBiVl2DyJO7jGwe0VeFrYbPWd0y8zGsF+k=; b=gHjI18FGSEn2PfMVJjWSZHbMbI1wHYbV08DF1aX4vUeDNP2J1T7YWuh6yHXc98C3eg F3989m5fwr54dBRg1RhTaE4gQHJlYGAKtJNPLR/w5zVldPonEw41uX4E42d6rlib72ls qiVJD4KrBE/xrv9yWXWULYFh5pkK+Z/dIqhyWaOLOajQNgAYm860q6baFEgHO/YFE2O0 I3i59+uFrSPY2AVWdPCTqdEPzdN7EMR0rKEQlc71uWgxv3inZdDIJSXdRXjYGEYjB5cB Nf0g/s09103GfowvZEg75zktYUuLRGIFa6D4Thi+3KJ25kdyDapY2/OpV8fa8hOs/QYU 6Slg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKl2bCoRNciqRlDGrSxpfBIqmDw5zxoxwQ3+1GQK+qBt87wERK2VMzR4qJSPzQSR2cJxj5blZDYtvKHXg== X-Received: by 10.112.77.2 with SMTP id o2mr3304248lbw.83.1464293151310; Thu, 26 May 2016 13:05:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.153.135 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2016 13:05:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160526195055.GA28633@nic.fr> References: <20160526195055.GA28633@nic.fr> From: Ted Lemon Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 16:05:11 -0400 Message-ID: To: Stephane Bortzmeyer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3a6f4219cd40533c4518e Archived-At: Cc: perpass Subject: Re: [perpass] Hello, list of political correctness and rambling, incoherent text X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 20:05:55 -0000 --001a11c3a6f4219cd40533c4518e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hah! Seems like Mr. Ruthkowski has an opinion, but would rather smear the IETF in his blog than participate in the discussion. I don't really blame him for not wanting to participate in what has been a singularly un-fun discussion, but the article basically sounds like it's what he wanted to say to the mailing list. On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > A nice rant against us :-) > > > http://www.circleid.com/posts/20160526_ietf_descent_into_the_political_rabbit_hole/ > > _______________________________________________ > perpass mailing list > perpass@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/perpass > --001a11c3a6f4219cd40533c4518e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hah! =C2=A0 Seems like Mr. Ruthkowski has an opinion, but = would rather smear the IETF in his blog than participate in the discussion.= =C2=A0 I don't really blame him for not wanting to participate in what = has been a singularly un-fun discussion, but the article basically sounds l= ike it's what he wanted to say to the mailing list.

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:50 PM= , Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> wrote:
A nice rant against us :-)

http://www.circle= id.com/posts/20160526_ietf_descent_into_the_political_rabbit_hole/

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--001a11c3a6f4219cd40533c4518e-- From nobody Thu May 26 13:12:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA12212D7EE for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 13:12:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bhY8QdehJp-Y for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 13:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simon.songbird.com (unknown [72.52.113.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4896012D73D for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 13:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.168] (76-218-8-128.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.8.128]) (authenticated bits=0) by simon.songbird.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id u4QKC8kS020086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 26 May 2016 13:12:08 -0700 To: Ted Lemon , Stephane Bortzmeyer References: <20160526195055.GA28633@nic.fr> From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking Message-ID: <2d643c35-a11a-0f73-129c-73902c179764@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 13:11:54 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: perpass Subject: Re: [perpass] Hello, list of political correctness and rambling, incoherent text X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 20:12:03 -0000 On 5/26/2016 1:05 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > Seems like Mr. Ruthkowski has an opinion, but would rather smear the > IETF in his blog than participate in the discussion. We should all take considerable comfort in the consistency of human behavior. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Thu May 26 13:55:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D82D12D156 for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 13:55:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.727 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.727 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rAFwzL0akigA for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 13:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0538B12D1BA for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 13:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F7EBE83; Thu, 26 May 2016 21:55:19 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VSTZkGn-lk4Z; Thu, 26 May 2016 21:55:18 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.87.48.210] (95-45-153-252-dynamic.agg2.phb.bdt-fng.eircom.net [95.45.153.252]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8EB30BE7B; Thu, 26 May 2016 21:55:17 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1464296117; bh=Y5k24ZrAc7sEAv5o7H5dejWri1OzGXMuY+9HbrI7+ps=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=ecfDBbHUOBDsm6V7Xu/Yn5MlNl21k0c5GwsvDgX48OAuJ2xo5DfuoeMzPeg/QI+TB yr/any4pglfkPVfpy3NcgqD5chHRGjlirMvQ4rVlozqIwSfdyiOZapNHOzwDv8N/vO JDRZ6ycgJKUOUq5Obu9RaNlb2GfWyTJyB4EvK7x8= To: Stephane Bortzmeyer , perpass@ietf.org References: <20160526195055.GA28633@nic.fr> From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <574762B5.7060407@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 21:55:17 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160526195055.GA28633@nic.fr> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms050901090902060601070808" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [perpass] Hello, list of political correctness and rambling, incoherent text X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 20:55:23 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050901090902060601070808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 26/05/16 20:50, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > A nice rant against us :-) >=20 > http://www.circleid.com/posts/20160526_ietf_descent_into_the_political_= rabbit_hole/ So I don't think Tony's on this list any more (or maybe he is) but he forgot to berate us for RFC1984 and Danvers. 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 89f84dfb-7285-4810-bc4d-8b9b5794554f X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1PR06MB1839 Archived-At: Cc: "perpass@ietf.org" , Stephane Bortzmeyer Subject: Re: [perpass] Hello, list of political correctness and rambling, incoherent text X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 21:18:40 -0000 On 26 May 2016, at 21:55, "Stephen Farrell" wro= te: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 26/05/16 20:50, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >> A nice rant against us :-) >>=20 >> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20160526_ietf_descent_into_the_political_r= abbit_hole/ >=20 > So I don't think Tony's on this list any more > (or maybe he > is) but he forgot to berate us for RFC1984 and Danvers. Maybe he berated us on the list but it's one of those censored IETF lists h= e mentioned. > But > maybe extending the timeline back that far might damage the > storyline that we've all gone suddenly crazy when in fact we've > been collectively crazy about trying for decent security and > privacy for far longer;-) >=20 > S. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > perpass mailing list > perpass@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/perpass From nobody Thu May 26 17:21:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F5712D1D4 for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 17:21:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PftDIClQe1rw for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 17:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0C5D12D13F for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 17:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1911 invoked from network); 27 May 2016 00:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 27 May 2016 00:21:01 -0000 Date: 27 May 2016 00:20:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20160527002039.77322.qmail@ary.lan> From: "John Levine" To: perpass@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: wilton@isoc.org Subject: Re: [perpass] Hello, list of political correctness and rambling, incoherent text X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 00:21:04 -0000 >Maybe he berated us on the list but it's one of those censored IETF lists he mentioned. I saw him on IETF general, but I didn't pay any more attention to him than to the last umpteen times he's pulled this sort of stunt. R's, John PS: What does this have to do with perpass? 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([2406:e007:50f6:1:4405:4cc1:5a3e:165a]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 132sm8833868pfc.52.2016.05.26.18.13.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 26 May 2016 18:13:20 -0700 (PDT) To: John Levine , perpass@ietf.org References: <20160527002039.77322.qmail@ary.lan> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <782b4a15-64c0-acf6-8089-b63420f4118c@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 13:13:28 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160527002039.77322.qmail@ary.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: wilton@isoc.org Subject: Re: [perpass] Hello, list of political correctness and rambling, incoherent text X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 01:13:22 -0000 On 27/05/2016 12:20, John Levine wrote: >> Maybe he berated us on the list but it's one of those censored IETF lists he mentioned. > > I saw him on IETF general, but I didn't pay any more attention to him > than to the last umpteen times he's pulled this sort of stunt. > > R's, > John > > PS: What does this have to do with perpass? If you read his post, it conflates Snowden and Singapore in a bizarre way. Brian From nobody Thu May 26 18:33:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5C612D095 for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 18:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.03 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.03 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_BL=0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_L3=0.461, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iRDxTSaB8jRd for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 18:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xsmtp04.mail2web.com (xsmtp04.mail2web.com [168.144.250.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3161512B038 for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 18:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.5.2.16] (helo=xmail06.myhosting.com) by xsmtp04.mail2web.com with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1b66e1-0000Os-EF for perpass@ietf.org; Thu, 26 May 2016 21:32:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 5417 invoked from network); 27 May 2016 01:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO huitema2) (Authenticated-user:_huitema@huitema.net@[131.107.160.201]) (envelope-sender ) by xmail06.myhosting.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with ESMTPA for ; 27 May 2016 01:32:56 -0000 From: "Christian Huitema" To: "'Brian E Carpenter'" , "'John Levine'" , References: <20160527002039.77322.qmail@ary.lan> <782b4a15-64c0-acf6-8089-b63420f4118c@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <782b4a15-64c0-acf6-8089-b63420f4118c@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 18:32:55 -0700 Message-ID: <054701d1b7b7$b26078a0$172169e0$@huitema.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGD622HUjpnja0oYZSVOb13PR9fWAI/1ckQoFWZcvA= Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Cc: wilton@isoc.org Subject: Re: [perpass] Hello, list of political correctness and rambling, incoherent text X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 01:33:00 -0000 On Thursday, May 26, 2016 6:13 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > On 27/05/2016 12:20, John Levine wrote: > >> Maybe he berated us on the list but it's one of those censored IETF > lists he mentioned. > > > > I saw him on IETF general, but I didn't pay any more attention to him > > than to the last umpteen times he's pulled this sort of stunt. > > > > R's, > > John > > > > PS: What does this have to do with perpass? > > If you read his post, it conflates Snowden and Singapore in a bizarre way. Be generous, folks. Everybody has to make a living... -- Christian Huitema