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[130.216.38.132]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h90sm30052074pfh.133.2017.07.10.18.11.20 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:11:21 -0700 (PDT) To: perpass@ietf.org From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <347debe2-ea64-4ad9-08bd-266564465ae7@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:11:19 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [perpass] =?utf-8?q?Former_GCHQ_boss_backs_end-to-end_encryption_?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=A2_The_Register?= X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. 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" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:52:17 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --0ejOef0WTXChs9jSBDeWFRFg2JsFliG4m Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="gBT6asj3CEu060k0tiCVhH3QBvLVrhnPR"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: perpass Message-ID: <1b70288a-2ab9-c96a-7680-06f28ed3c6bf@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: [TLS] wiretapping draft - collecting rebuttal arguments References: <1777c26d-4e8c-453d-422e-b1f238105bd5@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: <1777c26d-4e8c-453d-422e-b1f238105bd5@cs.tcd.ie> --gBT6asj3CEu060k0tiCVhH3QBvLVrhnPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI. Contributions from folks here would be welcome if you're interested, Cheers, S. PS: This relates to ongoing discussion on the TLS list. On 11/07/17 11:48, Stephen Farrell wrote: >=20 > Hiya, >=20 > I've asked the chairs for a slot in Prague to allow > for rebutting the claims made by the proponents of > the most recent wiretapping draft we're (sadly, still) > discussing. [1] >=20 > So far the chairs seem un-keen, but I'm gonna keep > asking as I think having a rebuttal for this kind > of bad idea is needed. (And again, I'd prefer the > chairs ditch the entire idea of discussing this at > all.) >=20 > In any case, and perhaps with a view to longer-term > documenting the arguments against the various "let's > break TLS" proposals we continually see, I've started > to collect some of those arguments in a github repo [2]. >=20 > I would welcome contributions to [2] however folks > would like to provide 'em (but ideally via PRs) so > we can provide a nice crowd-sourced rebuttal in > Prague, either as a presentation or via a lively > mic-line if need be. >=20 > Cheers, > S. >=20 > PS: I've just started on this, but will go through > the list archive to extract others' arguments and > add acks. Not sure if that'll get done before we > end up in Prague but please do let me know if I've > used an argument you made so I can ack that later. >=20 > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-green-tls-static-dh-in-tls13-01 > [2] https://github.com/sftcd/tinfoil >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >=20 --gBT6asj3CEu060k0tiCVhH3QBvLVrhnPR-- --0ejOef0WTXChs9jSBDeWFRFg2JsFliG4m Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJZZK3bAAoJEC88hzaAX42isuwIAK6n3LMf354sXjrLNYOUbw9U pLPD9m3IWDn3iXCqROl3BWYFgXefoa++xppsd97uQMDLg+w0JxqwXDzt+zYyTUgS hz3DnTuklHCUKBDk6NMFVTLyk6BvjgggruQIs029Me8+Nupe2wKHrbuSrTx3n6Ye 0fJ6Mk5//7e0rHAGYjfZgTt+D/YFztfjsdNbrZS397eRgUzYJQXHstl9+Ok5qPv+ HtVzATaY+sMqnhHAzLZfP1fvNPVto1PkX1nD5XQe7wjzmqk0ZIhNJTLFqH7m76/W OqKJsI9pnwt2loo8VPsNpiRAcfL1+cIwRwUj2E/xpHRSLgEOXOuWBk2kQjXdnkI= =/b4X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0ejOef0WTXChs9jSBDeWFRFg2JsFliG4m--