Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189FF21F8574 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:41:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.886, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IYIYsoq3v+iF for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D64221F8BB5 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:41:43 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1311946902!31497200!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.17; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 6566 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2011 13:41:42 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-9.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 29 Jul 2011 13:41:42 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6TDg7CU016775 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:42:08 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6TDg1BB016701 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:42:03 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6TDfZeC022056 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:41:35 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6TDfWUo021980 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:41:32 -0400 Message-Id: <201107291341.p6TDfWUo021980@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (vpn-135-70-139-214.vpn.mwst.att.com[135.70.139.214](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20110729134131gw100e4line>; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:41:31 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.139.214] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:30:36 -0400 To: Benoit Claise From: Al Morton In-Reply-To: <201107261419.p6QEJrlW026594@alpd052.aldc.att.com> References: <20110701090907.6186.21328.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <201107251939.p6PJdBqN014126@alpd052.aldc.att.com> <4E2E0E45.5040405@cisco.com> <201107261419.p6QEJrlW026594@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: pmol@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PMOL] WGLC: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:41:44 -0000 and now, version 12... At 10:20 AM 7/26/2011, Al Morton wrote: >Thanks Benoit, the WGLC now applies to version 11. >Al > >At 08:45 PM 7/25/2011, Benoit Claise wrote: >>Dear all, >> >>The issue below has been addressed in the PMOL draft version 11, >>which I just posted. >>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11 >>http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt >> >>Regards, Benoit. >>>PMOL WG, >>> >>>A revised I-D is available which addresses *almost all* IESG >>>DISCUSSes and COMMENTs (see forwarded message below). >>> >>>At least one issue remains, but it is believed to be >>>straightforward to resolve it: >>>>5) Section 6.2 is the section of the document that is going to guide >>>>reviewers. It's not as clear as it needs to be. For instance, reviewers >>>>are being asked to assess a metric according the qualification >>>>"use cases" and that is the only place the string appears in the document. >>>>What are you requiring with respect to use cases? >>> >>>(In follow-up discussion, we've determined that all the list items in >>>section 6.2 should be expanded to clarify the information sought.) >>> >>>Since there were substantial changes to address IESG comments, >>>there will be another WGLC for comments on the revised text. >>> >>>Please send any comments to the list by August 8, 2011. >>> >>>regards, >>>Al >>>pmol co-chair >>> >>>At 05:09 AM 7/1/2011, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>>... >>>> >>>> Title : Guidelines for Considering New >>>> Performance Metric Development >>>> Author(s) : Alan Clark >>>> Benoit Claise >>>> Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt >>>> Pages : 22 >>>> Date : 2011-07-01 >>>> >>>> This document describes a framework and a process for developing >>>> Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over >>>> IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize >>>> traffic on live networks and services. >>>> >>>> >>>>A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >>>>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>PMOL mailing list >>>PMOL@ietf.org >>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol > >_______________________________________________ >PMOL mailing list >PMOL@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773FD21F8696 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.098, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tmCAdbVTauwZ for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE88D21F8559 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:37:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p6SIONRL001421 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:24:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.86.241.199] (che-vpn-cluster-1-454.cisco.com [10.86.241.199]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p6SIONu2022044 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E31A956.2080902@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:24:22 -0400 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "pmol@ietf.org" References: <20110728181932.14307.89473.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20110728181932.14307.89473.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20110728181932.14307.89473.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040209010405080209000702" Subject: [PMOL] Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:37:14 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040209010405080209000702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, A new version has been posted, to address the last DISCUSS from Adrian Farrel. All DISCUSS' should be cleared now. Regards, Benoit. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:19:32 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: pmol-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework@tools.ietf.org, dromasca@avaya.com, adrian@olddog.co.uk New version (-12) has been submitted for draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt Diff from previous version: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12 IETF Secretariat. --------------040209010405080209000702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

A new version has been posted, to address the last DISCUSS from Adrian Farrel.
All DISCUSS' should be cleared now.

Regards, Benoit.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:19:32 -0700
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: pmol-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework@tools.ietf.org, dromasca@avaya.com, adrian@olddog.co.uk 


New version (-12) has been submitted for draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt


Diff from previous version:
http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12

IETF Secretariat.
--------------040209010405080209000702-- Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D63511E8148; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:19:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.575 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.575 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wzXiHe3pU2rc; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A1C11E80F8; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:19:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.57 Message-ID: <20110728181932.14307.6707.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:19:32 -0700 Cc: pmol@ietf.org Subject: [PMOL] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:19:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Performance Metrics for Other Layers = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Develo= pment Author(s) : Alan Clark Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2011-07-28 This document describes a framework and a process for developing Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize traffic on live networks and services. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9096C21F8C3D for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:20:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.998, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bA87bBMoJp0G for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1D621F8C19 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:20:04 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1311690003!29695487!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.17; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 17555 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2011 14:20:04 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-4.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 26 Jul 2011 14:20:04 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6QEKS3t005233 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:20:29 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6QEKMFt005119 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:20:23 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6QEJunT026747 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:19:57 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6QEJrlW026594 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:19:53 -0400 Message-Id: <201107261419.p6QEJrlW026594@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (vpn-135-70-18-65.vpn.west.att.com[135.70.18.65](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20110726141952gw100e4l7re>; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:19:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.18.65] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:20:39 -0400 To: Benoit Claise From: Al Morton In-Reply-To: <4E2E0E45.5040405@cisco.com> References: <20110701090907.6186.21328.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <201107251939.p6PJdBqN014126@alpd052.aldc.att.com> <4E2E0E45.5040405@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: pmol@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PMOL] WGLC: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:20:05 -0000 Thanks Benoit, the WGLC now applies to version 11. Al At 08:45 PM 7/25/2011, Benoit Claise wrote: >Dear all, > >The issue below has been addressed in the PMOL draft version 11, >which I just posted. >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11 >http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt > >Regards, Benoit. >>PMOL WG, >> >>A revised I-D is available which addresses *almost all* IESG >>DISCUSSes and COMMENTs (see forwarded message below). >> >>At least one issue remains, but it is believed to be >>straightforward to resolve it: >>>5) Section 6.2 is the section of the document that is going to guide >>>reviewers. It's not as clear as it needs to be. For instance, reviewers >>>are being asked to assess a metric according the qualification >>>"use cases" and that is the only place the string appears in the document. >>>What are you requiring with respect to use cases? >> >>(In follow-up discussion, we've determined that all the list items in >>section 6.2 should be expanded to clarify the information sought.) >> >>Since there were substantial changes to address IESG comments, >>there will be another WGLC for comments on the revised text. >> >>Please send any comments to the list by August 8, 2011. >> >>regards, >>Al >>pmol co-chair >> >>At 05:09 AM 7/1/2011, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>... >>> >>> Title : Guidelines for Considering New >>> Performance Metric Development >>> Author(s) : Alan Clark >>> Benoit Claise >>> Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt >>> Pages : 22 >>> Date : 2011-07-01 >>> >>> This document describes a framework and a process for developing >>> Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over >>> IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize >>> traffic on live networks and services. >>> >>> >>>A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >>>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PMOL mailing list >>PMOL@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CF211E8071 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:18:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.529 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.529 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MrD62nMyUNnn for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F74228011 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:18:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p6Q0jxXD019549; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 02:45:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.82.224.242] (rtp-vpn1-242.cisco.com [10.82.224.242]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p6Q0jw8i014617; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 02:45:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E2E0E45.5040405@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:45:57 -0400 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Al Morton References: <20110701090907.6186.21328.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <201107251939.p6PJdBqN014126@alpd052.aldc.att.com> In-Reply-To: <201107251939.p6PJdBqN014126@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pmol@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PMOL] WGLC: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 01:18:10 -0000 Dear all, The issue below has been addressed in the PMOL draft version 11, which I just posted. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11 http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt Regards, Benoit. > PMOL WG, > > A revised I-D is available which addresses *almost all* IESG > DISCUSSes and COMMENTs (see forwarded message below). > > At least one issue remains, but it is believed to be > straightforward to resolve it: >> 5) Section 6.2 is the section of the document that is going to guide >> reviewers. It's not as clear as it needs to be. For instance, reviewers >> are being asked to assess a metric according the qualification >> "use cases" and that is the only place the string appears in the >> document. >> What are you requiring with respect to use cases? > > (In follow-up discussion, we've determined that all the list items in > section 6.2 should be expanded to clarify the information sought.) > > Since there were substantial changes to address IESG comments, > there will be another WGLC for comments on the revised text. > > Please send any comments to the list by August 8, 2011. > > regards, > Al > pmol co-chair > > At 05:09 AM 7/1/2011, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> ... >> >> Title : Guidelines for Considering New Performance >> Metric Development >> Author(s) : Alan Clark >> Benoit Claise >> Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt >> Pages : 22 >> Date : 2011-07-01 >> >> This document describes a framework and a process for developing >> Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over >> IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize >> traffic on live networks and services. >> >> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt >> > > _______________________________________________ > PMOL mailing list > PMOL@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE9D11E80F6; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:40:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xDtB3FWgj0ae; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20F511E80DE; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:40:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.56 Message-ID: <20110726004029.15559.87832.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:40:29 -0700 Cc: pmol@ietf.org Subject: [PMOL] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 00:40:31 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Performance Metrics for Other Layers = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Develo= pment Author(s) : Alan Clark Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2011-07-25 This document describes a framework and a process for developing Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize traffic on live networks and services. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C3011E80A6 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:39:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.576 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.576 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.220, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79EDwBNJ1kPT for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23DD11E8095 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:39:20 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1311622759!30769980!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.17; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 5749 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2011 19:39:19 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-11.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 25 Jul 2011 19:39:19 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6PJdjPg028595 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:39:45 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6PJdeWg028468 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:39:42 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6PJdE9O014230 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:39:14 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6PJdBqN014126 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:39:11 -0400 Message-Id: <201107251939.p6PJdBqN014126@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (vpn-135-70-2-142.vpn.west.att.com[135.70.2.142](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20110725193909gw100e4l63e>; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:39:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.2.142] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:39:55 -0400 To: pmol@ietf.org From: Al Morton In-Reply-To: <20110701090907.6186.21328.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20110701090907.6186.21328.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [PMOL] WGLC: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:39:24 -0000 PMOL WG, A revised I-D is available which addresses *almost all* IESG DISCUSSes and COMMENTs (see forwarded message below). At least one issue remains, but it is believed to be straightforward to resolve it: >5) Section 6.2 is the section of the document that is going to guide >reviewers. It's not as clear as it needs to be. For instance, reviewers >are being asked to assess a metric according the qualification >"use cases" and that is the only place the string appears in the document. >What are you requiring with respect to use cases? (In follow-up discussion, we've determined that all the list items in section 6.2 should be expanded to clarify the information sought.) Since there were substantial changes to address IESG comments, there will be another WGLC for comments on the revised text. Please send any comments to the list by August 8, 2011. regards, Al pmol co-chair At 05:09 AM 7/1/2011, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >... > > Title : Guidelines for Considering New > Performance Metric Development > Author(s) : Alan Clark > Benoit Claise > Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt > Pages : 22 > Date : 2011-07-01 > > This document describes a framework and a process for developing > Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over > IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize > traffic on live networks and services. > > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE3121F88CD; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 02:09:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.011, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uBHnEn4rWccZ; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 02:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD2521F8748; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 02:09:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.55 Message-ID: <20110701090907.6186.21328.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 02:09:07 -0700 Cc: pmol@ietf.org Subject: [PMOL] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 09:09:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Performance Metrics for Other Layers = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Develo= pment Author(s) : Alan Clark Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2011-07-01 This document describes a framework and a process for developing Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize traffic on live networks and services. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C1921F8864; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 00:53:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.587 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.587 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YEmbiUH+sh0R; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 00:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB3A21F884F; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 00:53:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.55 Message-ID: <20110701075348.14330.97935.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 00:53:48 -0700 Cc: pmol@ietf.org Subject: [PMOL] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-09.txt X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 07:53:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Performance Metrics for Other Layers = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Develo= pment Author(s) : Alan Clark Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-09.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2011-07-01 This document describes a framework and a process for developing Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize traffic on live networks and services. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-09.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-09.txt