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Hi PMDIR,

As a co-chair of XRBLOCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6390 review=
 of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-video-lc-01.txt. Thi=
s document is in WGLC until 9/4.

Thanks and Regards,

Dan



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Thanks for your request, Dan.

Who will volunteer to do this review?

Al
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of
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> Hi PMDIR,
>=20
> As a co-chair of XRBLOCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6390
> review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-video-lc-
> 01.txt. This document is in WGLC until 9/4.
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I can review this in a couple of days.

Thanks
Vinayak Hegde

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 6:19 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acmorton@att.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your request, Dan.
>
> Who will volunteer to do this review?
>
> Al
> pmdir admin
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pm-dir [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu,
>> Dan (Dan)
>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 8:47 AM
>> To: pm-dir@ietf.org
>> Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise (bclaise@cisco.com);
>> alissa@cooperw.in
>> Subject: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of
>> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-video-lc-01.txt
>>
>>
>> Hi PMDIR,
>>
>> As a co-chair of XRBLOCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6390
>> review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-video-lc-
>> 01.txt. This document is in WGLC until 9/4.
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Hi Qin Wu, You can also review it. More eyes make better standards :)

Review Follows.

1. In section 3, where you describe loss concealment methods, I get
the impression after reading the draft that all frames are created
equal after reading the draft. Generally in video encoding there are
key frames[1] which are more important as they carry full information
and are not dependent on other frames so methods 3b and 3c would
require a lot of computation to reconstruct atleast parts of the
frame. This aspect is not emphasized in the draft.

2. Also in Section 3d (Error Resilient Encoding), there are two clear subparts
    a. You can have vector related extra metadata that can be used to
reconstruct the scene based on loss of primary data
    b. You can have bit-block level encoding like Reed-Solomon error
correction[2]
Both of these are different techniques so should be split under their
own subheadings.

3. Also it would be great to have some explanation of why frame freeze
was chosen for special treatment (in bit reservation)

4. In section 4.1 The definition of MIFP is confusing especially the
part where it says "after multiplying the fraction by 256"

5. In section 4.1 The definition of MCFP, did not get this part "which
loss concealment (using V) was applied" (Missing reference ?)

6. Same comment as above for definition of FFSC

Thanks
Vinayak

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_compression_picture_types#Intra_coded_frames.2Fslices_.28I.E2.80.91frames.2Fslices_or_Key_frames.29
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed%E2%80%93Solomon_error_correction

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 6:19 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acmorton@att.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your request, Dan.
>
> Who will volunteer to do this review?
>
> Al
> pmdir admin
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pm-dir [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu,
>> Dan (Dan)
>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 8:47 AM
>> To: pm-dir@ietf.org
>> Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise (bclaise@cisco.com);
>> alissa@cooperw.in
>> Subject: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of
>> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-video-lc-01.txt
>>
>>
>> Hi PMDIR,
>>
>> As a co-chair of XRBLOCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6390
>> review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-video-lc-
>> 01.txt. This document is in WGLC until 9/4.
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>>
>> Dan
>>
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Thread-Topic: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-video-lc-01.txt
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