From nobody Fri Jan 8 00:53:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pm-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pm-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861171ACECE for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 00:53:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ceo2gLOnKLpF for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 00:53:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661D31ACED0 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 00:53:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-azure.research.att.com (unknown [135.207.255.18]) by mail-pink.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347CF122C87; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 03:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange.research.att.com (sentinel.research.att.com [135.207.255.38]) by mail-azure.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCC0E0525; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 03:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by sentinel.research.att.com ([fe80::7914:9c7e:6a73:a8d6%10]) with mapi; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 03:53:20 -0500 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: Jan Novak , "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "pm-dir@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 03:53:18 -0500 Thread-Topic: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHRSehQVEUK2b48Mk21Yqw7tdhJSp7xUAeg Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED66241@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEC6605@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com>, <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9E9E3D02@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> , <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEC7B4E@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED66241NJFPSRVEXG0re_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "shida@ntt-at.com" , "Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com" , "alissa@cooperw.in" Subject: Re: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt X-BeenThere: pm-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics Directorate Discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 08:53:24 -0000 --_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED66241NJFPSRVEXG0re_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Jan. This should also go to the authors and XRBLOCK list, can you take care of that, Dan? Al From: Jan Novak [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:44 AM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); MORTON, ALFRED C (AL); pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrb= lock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Hi, I have read through this draft and browsed through the related RFC7002 and = 7003 used as references with the following conclusions/observations: Conclusion: This document emphasis (and also RFC7002/3) is on specifying the report pac= ket format or simply reporting some values but not really specifying what the exported values are. Two of the metrics/valu= es seem to be just simple counters/numbers (e.g. not really needing more definitions), the other two are referenced to be de= fined in RFC7002/7003 . RFC6390 does not really feel applicable for any of these three documents - there ought to be anothe= r document describing what all the metrics are, defining them in RFC6390 normative format and describing how and where they= are measured unless there already is another document defining them - if so, it should be referenced here instead of 700= 2/7003. Observations: 1) The term "discard burst" seems to be crucial for all the metrics but non= e of the three documents contains any definition other than just the reader's intuitive notion of its meanin= g 2) The two metrics "Packets Discarded in Bursts" and "Discard Count" are re= ferenced to the same section of RFC7002 which contains exactly same wording as this document for "Disca= rd Count" with no further definition. I am not familiar with RTP quality metrics so just assume that there co= uld be other packet losses/packet discards than during the discard bursts to make the two values different. 3) Similarly "Total Packets Expected in Bursts" is referenced to RFC7003 = with exactly same wording as this document - assuming that the term "discarded bursts" is a typo for "dis= card burst" Jan The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succumb young ... and the st= rong envy them. Dr. Johnson ________________________________ From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: 15 December 2015 13:32 To: Jan Novak; MORTON, ALFRED C AL; pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.= com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.or= g/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Hi Jan, The end of the week (Friday 1/8) is fine. Thanks for offering to review this work. Regards, Dan From: Jan Novak [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:25 PM To: MORTON, ALFRED C AL; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.= com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.or= g/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Hi Al, Dan, Unless you got a queue of volunteers already, I could do that, but not real= ly to the deadline of the 5th - I will be off until the 4th (inc). So would be looking to Friday that wee= k ?? Jan The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succumb young ... and the st= rong envy them. Dr. Johnson > From: acmorton@att.com > To: dromasca@avaya.com; pm-dir@ietf.org > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:17:10 -0500 > CC: shida@ntt-at.com; bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in > Subject: Re: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.= org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt > > Ok Dan, this is a request for a Volunteer PM-Dir reviewer > (preferably someone who can meet the deadline below). > > reply to all, thanks and regards, > Al > pm-dir admin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pm-dir [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, > > Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 10:05 AM > > To: pm-dir@ietf.org > > Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise (bclaise@c= isco.com); > > alissa@cooperw.in > > Subject: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap- > > discard-00.txt > > > > > > Hi PMDIR, > > > > As a co-chair of XRBLOCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6390 > > review https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap= - > > discard-00.txt. This document is in WGLC until 1/5/2016. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pm-dir mailing list > > pm-dir@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir > > _______________________________________________ > pm-dir mailing list > pm-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir --_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED66241NJFPSRVEXG0re_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Jan.

 

= This should also go to the authors and XRBLOCK list,

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>can you take care of that, Dan?

 

Al

 

From: Jan Novak [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:44 AM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); MOR= TON, ALFRED C (AL); pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit = Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in
Subject: [pm-dir] RFC= 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burs= t-gap-discard-00.txt

=  

Hi,

 

I have read through this draft and browsed through the related RF= C7002 and 7003 used as references

wi= th the following conclusions/observations:

 

Conclusion:=

This document emphasis (and also RFC7002/3)&nb= sp;is on specifying the report packet format or simply reporting some value= s but

not really specifying what the= exported values are. Two of the metrics/values seem to be just simple coun= ters/numbers (e.g.

not really needin= g more definitions), the other two are referenced to be defined in RFC7002/= 7003 . RFC6390 does not really

feel= applicable for any of these three documents - there ought to be another do= cument describing what all the metrics are,

defining them in RFC6390 normative format and describing how and = where they are measured unless there already is another

document defining them - if so, it should be referenced= here instead of 7002/7003.

&nb= sp;

Observations:

1) The term "discard burst" seems to be crucial f= or all the metrics but none of the three documents contains any<= /span>

     definition other than = just the reader's intuitive notion of its meaning

2) The two metrics "Packets Discarded in Bursts" an= d "Discard Count" are referenced to the same section of

    RFC7002 which contains exa= ctly same wording as this document for "Discard Count" with no fu= rther definition.

   = I am not familiar with RTP quality metrics so just assume that there could= be other packet losses/packet discards

    than during the discard bursts to make the two value= s different.

 3)  Similarl= y "Total Packets Expected in Bursts" is referenced to RFC7003 wit= h exactly same wording as this

 = ;   document - assuming that the term "discarded bursts"= ; is a typo for "discard burst"

 

Jan

 

The climate of Edinburgh is such that the= weak succumb young ... and the strong envy them.

   =             &nb= sp;            =         Dr. Johnson

 =

From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) <dromasca@avaya.com>
Sent: 15 December 2015 13= :32
To: Jan Novak; MORTON, ALFRED C AL; pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@coope= rw.in
Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of= https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-bu= rst-gap-discard-00.txt

 

Hi Jan,=

 

Th= e end of the week (Friday 1/8) is fine. =

 

Thanks for offering to review this work.

&nbs= p;

Regards,=

 

Da= n

 

 

From: Jan Novak [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1= 5, 2015 3:25 PM
To: MORTON, ALFRED C AL; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in
Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request f= or an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-iet= f-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt

<= span style=3D'color:black'> 

Hi Al, Dan,
 
Unless you got a queue of volunteers already, I= could do that, but not really to the deadline of the 5th
- I will be of= f until the 4th (inc). So would be looking to Friday that week ??
&= nbsp;
Jan

The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succumb = young ... and the strong envy them.

     &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;     Dr. Johnson
 

> From: acmorton@att.com
> To: dromasca@avaya.com; pm-dir@ietf.org
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:17:10 -0500<= br>> CC: shida@ntt-at.com; bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in
> Subject: Re: [pm-dir] reques= t for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-bur= st-gap-discard-00.txt
>
> Ok Dan, this is a request for a = Volunteer PM-Dir reviewer
> (preferably someone who can meet the dead= line below).
>
> reply to all, thanks and regards,
> Al<= br>> pm-dir admin
>
> > -----Original Message-----
&g= t; > From: pm-dir [mailto:pm-= dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu,
> > Dan (Dan)> > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 10:05 AM
> > To: pm-dir@ietf.org
> > Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise (bclaise@cisco.com);
> > alissa@cooperw.in
> > Subject: [= pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of
> > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-inde= pendent-burst-gap-
> > discard-00.txt
> >
> &g= t;
> > Hi PMDIR,
> >
> > As a co-chair of XRBL= OCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6390
> > review https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-iet= f-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-
> > discard-00.txt. This docu= ment is in WGLC until 1/5/2016.
> >
> > Thanks and Regar= ds,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >= _______________________________________________
> > pm-dir mailin= g list
> > pm-dir@ietf.org<= br>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir<= /a>
>
> _______________________________________________
>= ; pm-dir mailing list
> pm-dir@iet= f.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm= -dir

= --_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED66241NJFPSRVEXG0re_-- From nobody Tue Jan 12 03:55:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pm-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pm-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AE91AD06B for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 03:55:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nLwwUT_Q5Pwj for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 03:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 893931AD067 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 03:55:26 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2D2FQB/6JRW/xUHmMYoNhkBAQEBDwEBAQGCPiErUm0GhTWDHqMqkBOBXwcYAQiFbgKBJTkTAQEBAQEBAYEKCQUBAYIOghYBAQEBAgEBAQEPG0ELBQcEAgEIDQEDAwEBAQsZBAcnCxQJCAEBBAENBQgah3cDCggBDaRDmwkBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEYhliEfYE8gROCCCANCQiDDYEbBZcTAYVChh0Cg1VKhxeFPYZzg22CeXojAUCBYGqBQHIBAQGFJgGBBwEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A2D2FQB/6JRW/xUHmMYoNhkBAQEBDwEBAQGCPiErUm0GhTWDHqMqkBOBXwcYAQiFbgKBJTkTAQEBAQEBAYEKCQUBAYIOghYBAQEBAgEBAQEPG0ELBQcEAgEIDQEDAwEBAQsZBAcnCxQJCAEBBAENBQgah3cDCggBDaRDmwkBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEYhliEfYE8gROCCCANCQiDDYEbBZcTAYVChh0Cg1VKhxeFPYZzg22CeXojAUCBYGqBQHIBAQGFJgGBBwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,557,1444708800"; d="scan'208,217";a="155559807" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 12 Jan 2016 06:55:25 -0500 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC03.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.13]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 12 Jan 2016 06:55:02 -0500 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC03.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.13]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 06:55:01 -0500 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Jan Novak , "MORTON, ALFRED C AL" , "pm-dir@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Thread-Index: AdE2gMTRrlnFoPiIQz6g10ffUAFGTQAu0u4aBXzrh2A= Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:55:00 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEE5140@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEC6605@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com>, <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9E9E3D02@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.48] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEE5140AZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "shida@ntt-at.com" , "Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com" , "alissa@cooperw.in" Subject: Re: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt X-BeenThere: pm-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics Directorate Discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:55:29 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEE5140AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Ian - this is a kind reminder that the XRBLOCK WG is waiting for your= PM-DIR review of draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt. = When do you believe that you can provide it? Thanks and Regards, Dan From: Jan Novak [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:25 PM To: MORTON, ALFRED C AL; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.or= g/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Hi Al, Dan, Unless you got a queue of volunteers already, I could do that, but not real= ly to the deadline of the 5th - I will be off until the 4th (inc). So would be looking to Friday that wee= k ?? Jan The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succumb young ... and the st= rong envy them. Dr. Johnson > From: acmorton@att.com > To: dromasca@avaya.com; pm-dir@ietf.org > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:17:10 -0500 > CC: shida@ntt-at.com; bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in > Subject: Re: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.= org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt > > Ok Dan, this is a request for a Volunteer PM-Dir reviewer > (preferably someone who can meet the deadline below). > > reply to all, thanks and regards, > Al > pm-dir admin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pm-dir [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, > > Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 10:05 AM > > To: pm-dir@ietf.org > > Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise (bclaise@c= isco.com); > > alissa@cooperw.in > > Subject: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap- > > discard-00.txt > > > > > > Hi PMDIR, > > > > As a co-chair of XRBLOCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6390 > > review https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap= - > > discard-00.txt. This document is in WGLC until 1/5/2016. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pm-dir mailing list > > pm-dir@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir > > _______________________________________________ > pm-dir mailing list > pm-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEE5140AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Ian – this is= a kind reminder that the XRBLOCK WG is waiting for your PM-DIR review of draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-= discard-00.txt. When do you believe that you can provide it?

 <= /p>

Thanks and Regards,<= /o:p>

 <= /p>

Dan

 

 <= /p>

From: Jan Nova= k [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:25 PM
To: MORTON, ALFRED C AL; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooper= w.in
Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.= ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt

 

Hi Al, Dan,
 
Unless you got a queue of volunteers already, I could do that, but not real= ly to the deadline of the 5th
- I will be off until the 4th (inc). So would be looking to Friday tha= t week ??
 
Jan

The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succumb young ... and the st= rong envy them.

            &nb= sp;            =            Dr. Johnson  

> From: acmorton@att.com
> To: dromasca@avaya.com; pm-dir@ietf.org
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:17:10 -0500
> CC: shida@ntt-at.com; bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.= in
> Subject: Re: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00= .txt
>
> Ok Dan, this is a request for a Volunteer PM-Dir reviewer
> (preferably someone who can meet the deadline below).
>
> reply to all, thanks and regards,
> Al
> pm-dir admin
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pm-dir [mailto:p= m-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu,
> > Dan (Dan)
> > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 10:05 AM
> > To: pm-dir@ietf.org
> > Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Ben= oit Claise (bclaise@cisco.com); > > alissa@cooperw.in
> > Subject: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of
> > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-
> > discard-00.txt
> >
> >
> > Hi PMDIR,
> >
> > As a co-chair of XRBLOCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6= 390
> > review https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-
> > discard-00.txt. This document is in WGLC until 1/5/2016.
> >
> > Thanks and Regards,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > pm-dir mailing list
> > pm-dir@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir
>
> _______________________________________________
> pm-dir mailing list
> pm-dir@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir

--_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEE5140AZFFEXMB04globa_-- From nobody Tue Jan 12 04:16:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pm-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pm-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536F01AD0A1 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 04:16:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.212 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.212 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mTQc0gxmonI2 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 04:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58C21AD09D for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 04:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-azure.research.att.com (unknown [135.207.255.18]) by mail-pink.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB612121E2E; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange.research.att.com (sentinel.research.att.com [135.207.255.38]) by mail-azure.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD77E03A6; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by sentinel.research.att.com ([fe80::7914:9c7e:6a73:a8d6%10]) with mapi; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:16:07 -0500 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Jan Novak , "pm-dir@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:16:04 -0500 Thread-Topic: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Thread-Index: AdE2gMTRrlnFoPiIQz6g10ffUAFGTQAu0u4aBXzrh2AAAM0fEA== Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED665AD@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEC6605@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com>, <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9E9E3D02@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEE5140@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEE5140@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED665ADNJFPSRVEXG0re_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "shida@ntt-at.com" , "Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com" , "alissa@cooperw.in" Subject: Re: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt X-BeenThere: pm-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics Directorate Discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:16:11 -0000 --_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED665ADNJFPSRVEXG0re_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dan, Jan sent his review, let me re-send... Al From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:55 AM To: Jan Novak; MORTON, ALFRED C (AL); pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.or= g/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Hello Ian - this is a kind reminder that the XRBLOCK WG is waiting for your= PM-DIR review of draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt. = When do you believe that you can provide it? Thanks and Regards, Dan From: Jan Novak [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:25 PM To: MORTON, ALFRED C AL; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.= com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.or= g/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Hi Al, Dan, Unless you got a queue of volunteers already, I could do that, but not real= ly to the deadline of the 5th - I will be off until the 4th (inc). So would be looking to Friday that wee= k ?? Jan The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succumb young ... and the st= rong envy them. Dr. Johnson > From: acmorton@att.com > To: dromasca@avaya.com; pm-dir@ietf.org > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:17:10 -0500 > CC: shida@ntt-at.com; bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in > Subject: Re: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.= org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt > > Ok Dan, this is a request for a Volunteer PM-Dir reviewer > (preferably someone who can meet the deadline below). > > reply to all, thanks and regards, > Al > pm-dir admin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pm-dir [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, > > Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 10:05 AM > > To: pm-dir@ietf.org > > Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise (bclaise@c= isco.com); > > alissa@cooperw.in > > Subject: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap- > > discard-00.txt > > > > > > Hi PMDIR, > > > > As a co-chair of XRBLOCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6390 > > review https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap= - > > discard-00.txt. This document is in WGLC until 1/5/2016. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pm-dir mailing list > > pm-dir@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir > > _______________________________________________ > pm-dir mailing list > pm-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir --_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED665ADNJFPSRVEXG0re_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dan,

 

= Jan = sent his review, let me re-send…

 

 

From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:55 AM
To: Jan Novak; MORTON, ALFRE= D C (AL); pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bcl= aise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in
Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request f= or an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-indepen= dent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt

 

Hello Ian –= this is a kind reminder that the XRBLOCK WG is waiting for your PM-DIR rev= iew of draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt. When do you= believe that you can provide it?

 

Thanks and= Regards,

 

Dan

 

 

From: Jan Novak [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:25 PM
To: MORTON, ALFRED = C AL; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.= org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com<= /a>; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in
Subjec= t: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of http= s://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt=

 

Hi Al, Dan,
 
Unless you got a queue of volunteers alread= y, I could do that, but not really to the deadline of the 5th
- I will b= e off until the 4th (inc). So would be looking to Friday that week ??<= br> 
Jan

The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succ= umb young ... and the strong envy them.

    &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      Dr. Johnson
 

> From: acmorton@att.com
&= gt; To: dromasca@avaya.com; pm-dir@ietf.org
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec= 2015 10:17:10 -0500
> CC: shida@= ntt-at.com; bclaise@cisco.com;= alissa@cooperw.in
> Subject= : Re: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xr= block-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt
>
> Ok Dan, thi= s is a request for a Volunteer PM-Dir reviewer
> (preferably someone = who can meet the deadline below).
>
> reply to all, thanks and= regards,
> Al
> pm-dir admin
>
> > -----Origin= al Message-----
> > From: pm-dir [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu,
&= gt; > Dan (Dan)
> > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 10:05 AM> > To: pm-dir@ietf.org
&g= t; > Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoi= t Claise (bclaise@cisco.com);
&= gt; > alissa@cooperw.in
>= > Subject: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of
> > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-i= etf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-
> > discard-00.txt
> = >
> >
> > Hi PMDIR,
> >
> > As a = co-chair of XRBLOCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6390
> >= ; review https://www.ietf.o= rg/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-
> > discard-00= .txt. This document is in WGLC until 1/5/2016.
> >
> > T= hanks and Regards,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >= ;
> > _______________________________________________
> >= ; pm-dir mailing list
> > pm-di= r@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/l= istinfo/pm-dir
>
> _______________________________________= ________
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= = --_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED665ADNJFPSRVEXG0re_-- From nobody Tue Jan 12 04:16:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pm-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pm-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0DB1AD09B for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 04:16:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.212 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.212 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vrbXIWPjGlNk for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 04:16:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B447B1AD0A1 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 04:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-blue.research.att.com (unknown [135.207.178.11]) by mail-pink.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B56121E39; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njfpsrvexg11.research.att.com [135.207.255.123]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBC5F0489; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by NJFPSRVEXG11.research.att.com ([fe80::516e:6eec:2697:ec78%17]) with mapi; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:16:38 -0500 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: Jan Novak , "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "pm-dir@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:16:36 -0500 Thread-Topic: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHRSehQVEUK2b48Mk21Yqw7tdhJSp7xUAeggAaCS2A= Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED665AE@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEC6605@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com>, <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9E9E3D02@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> , <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEC7B4E@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED66241@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED66241@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED665AENJFPSRVEXG0re_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "shida@ntt-at.com" , "Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com" , "alissa@cooperw.in" Subject: Re: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt X-BeenThere: pm-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics Directorate Discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:16:46 -0000 --_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED665AENJFPSRVEXG0re_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re-sending From: pm-dir [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, ALFRED C= (AL) Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 3:53 AM To: Jan Novak; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: Re: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf= -xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt ***Security Advisory: This Message Originated Outside of AT&T *** Reference http://cso.att.com/EmailSecurity/IDSP.html for more information. Thanks Jan. This should also go to the authors and XRBLOCK list, can you take care of that, Dan? Al From: Jan Novak [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:44 AM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); MORTON, ALFRED C (AL); pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.= com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrb= lock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Hi, I have read through this draft and browsed through the related RFC7002 and = 7003 used as references with the following conclusions/observations: Conclusion: This document emphasis (and also RFC7002/3) is on specifying the report pac= ket format or simply reporting some values but not really specifying what the exported values are. Two of the metrics/valu= es seem to be just simple counters/numbers (e.g. not really needing more definitions), the other two are referenced to be de= fined in RFC7002/7003 . RFC6390 does not really feel applicable for any of these three documents - there ought to be anothe= r document describing what all the metrics are, defining them in RFC6390 normative format and describing how and where they= are measured unless there already is another document defining them - if so, it should be referenced here instead of 700= 2/7003. Observations: 1) The term "discard burst" seems to be crucial for all the metrics but non= e of the three documents contains any definition other than just the reader's intuitive notion of its meanin= g 2) The two metrics "Packets Discarded in Bursts" and "Discard Count" are re= ferenced to the same section of RFC7002 which contains exactly same wording as this document for "Disca= rd Count" with no further definition. I am not familiar with RTP quality metrics so just assume that there co= uld be other packet losses/packet discards than during the discard bursts to make the two values different. 3) Similarly "Total Packets Expected in Bursts" is referenced to RFC7003 = with exactly same wording as this document - assuming that the term "discarded bursts" is a typo for "dis= card burst" Jan The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succumb young ... and the st= rong envy them. Dr. Johnson ________________________________ From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: 15 December 2015 13:32 To: Jan Novak; MORTON, ALFRED C AL; pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.= com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.or= g/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Hi Jan, The end of the week (Friday 1/8) is fine. Thanks for offering to review this work. Regards, Dan From: Jan Novak [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:25 PM To: MORTON, ALFRED C AL; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.= com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.or= g/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Hi Al, Dan, Unless you got a queue of volunteers already, I could do that, but not real= ly to the deadline of the 5th - I will be off until the 4th (inc). So would be looking to Friday that wee= k ?? Jan The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succumb young ... and the st= rong envy them. Dr. Johnson > From: acmorton@att.com > To: dromasca@avaya.com; pm-dir@ietf.org > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:17:10 -0500 > CC: shida@ntt-at.com; bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in > Subject: Re: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.= org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt > > Ok Dan, this is a request for a Volunteer PM-Dir reviewer > (preferably someone who can meet the deadline below). > > reply to all, thanks and regards, > Al > pm-dir admin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pm-dir [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, > > Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 10:05 AM > > To: pm-dir@ietf.org > > Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise (bclaise@c= isco.com); > > alissa@cooperw.in > > Subject: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap- > > discard-00.txt > > > > > > Hi PMDIR, > > > > As a co-chair of XRBLOCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6390 > > review https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap= - > > discard-00.txt. This document is in WGLC until 1/5/2016. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pm-dir mailing list > > pm-dir@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir > > _______________________________________________ > pm-dir mailing list > pm-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir --_000_4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D1D9ED665AENJFPSRVEXG0re_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Re-sending

 

Fr= om: pm-dir [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, = ALFRED C (AL)
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 3:53 AM
To: Jan Novak; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-= at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in
Subject: Re: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblo= ck-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt

 

***Security Advisory: This Mes= sage Originated Outside of AT&T ***
Reference http://cso.att.com/EmailSecurity/IDSP.html= for more information.

Thanks Jan.

 

This should also go to the authors and XRBLOCK list,=

can you take care of that, Dan?

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

Al<= /span>

 

From: Jan Novak [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 201= 6 2:44 AM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); MORTON, ALFRED C (AL); pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in
Subject: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of= https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-bu= rst-gap-discard-00.txt

 

Hi,

 

I have read through this draft and browsed through the relat= ed RFC7002 and 7003 used as references

with the following conclusions/observations:

 

Conclusion:<= /o:p>

This document emphasis (and also RFC7002/= 3) is on specifying the report packet format or simply reporting some = values but

not really specifying w= hat the exported values are. Two of the metrics/values seem to be just simp= le counters/numbers (e.g.

not really= needing more definitions), the other two are referenced to be defined in R= FC7002/7003 . RFC6390 does not really

feel applicable for any of these three documents - there ought to be ano= ther document describing what all the metrics are,

defining them in RFC6390 normative format and describing how= and where they are measured unless there already is another

document defining them - if so, it should be refer= enced here instead of 7002/7003.

 

Observations:<= /p>

1) The term "discard burst" seems to be cruc= ial for all the metrics but none of the three documents contains any

     definition other = than just the reader's intuitive notion of its meaning

2) The two metrics "Packets Discarded in Bursts&quo= t; and "Discard Count" are referenced to the same section of=

    RFC7002 which contain= s exactly same wording as this document for "Discard Count" with = no further definition.

<= span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>  &= nbsp; I am not familiar with RTP quality metrics so just assume that there = could be other packet losses/packet discards

    than during the discard bursts to make the two= values different.

 3)  Si= milarly "Total Packets Expected in Bursts" is referenced to RFC70= 03 with exactly same wording as this

    document - assuming that the term "discarded burst= s" is a typo for "discard burst"

<= p style=3D'background:white'> 

= Jan

 

The climate of Edinburgh is such th= at the weak succumb young ... and the strong envy them.

  =             &nb= sp;            =          Dr. Johnson

=  

From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) <dromasca@avaya.com>
Sent: 15 December 2= 015 13:32
To: Jan Novak; MORTON, ALFRED C AL; pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa= @cooperw.in
Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 rev= iew of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independ= ent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt

 

Hi Jan,

 

The end of the week (Friday 1/8) is fine.

 

Thanks for offering to review this work.

 

Regards,<= /o:p>

 

Dan

 

 

From: Jan Novak [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, Dece= mber 15, 2015 3:25 PM
To: MORTON, ALFRED C AL; Romascanu, Dan (Da= n); pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in
Subject: RE: [pm-dir] requ= est for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draf= t-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt

 

Hi Al, Dan,
 
Unless you got a queue of volunteers alr= eady, I could do that, but not really to the deadline of the 5th
- I wil= l be off until the 4th (inc). So would be looking to Friday that week = ??
 
Jan

The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak s= uccumb young ... and the strong envy them.

    &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;      Dr. Johnson
 

<= span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>> From: acmorton@att.com
> To: dromasca@avaya.com; pm-dir@ietf.org
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:17:10 = -0500
> CC: shida@ntt-at.com;= bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in
> Subject: Re: [pm-dir] = request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independe= nt-burst-gap-discard-00.txt
>
> Ok Dan, this is a request = for a Volunteer PM-Dir reviewer
> (preferably someone who can meet th= e deadline below).
>
> reply to all, thanks and regards,
&g= t; Al
> pm-dir admin
>
> > -----Original Message-----=
> > From: pm-dir [mail= to:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu,
> > Dan (D= an)
> > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 10:05 AM
> > To: = pm-dir@ietf.org
> > Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise (bclaise@cisco.com);
> > alissa@cooperw.in
> > Subject: = [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of
> > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-ind= ependent-burst-gap-
> > discard-00.txt
> >
> &= gt;
> > Hi PMDIR,
> >
> > As a co-chair of XRB= LOCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6390
> > review https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-iet= f-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-
> > discard-00.txt. This docu= ment is in WGLC until 1/5/2016.
> >
> > Thanks and Regar= ds,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >= _______________________________________________
> > pm-dir mailin= g list
> > pm-dir@ietf.org<= br>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir<= /a>
>
> _______________________________________________
>= ; pm-dir mailing list
> pm-dir@iet= f.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm= -dir

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I apologize for missing this - I scanned only the xrbloc= k mail list. I am forwarding the review there. Regards, Dan From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) [mailto:acmorton@att.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:17 PM To: Jan Novak; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: RE: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf= -xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Re-sending From: pm-dir [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, ALFRED C= (AL) Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 3:53 AM To: Jan Novak; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.= com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: Re: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf= -xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt ***Security Advisory: This Message Originated Outside of AT&T *** Reference http://cso.att.com/EmailSecurity/IDSP.html for more information. Thanks Jan. This should also go to the authors and XRBLOCK list, can you take care of that, Dan? Al From: Jan Novak [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:44 AM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); MORTON, ALFRED C (AL); pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.= com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrb= lock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Hi, I have read through this draft and browsed through the related RFC7002 and = 7003 used as references with the following conclusions/observations: Conclusion: This document emphasis (and also RFC7002/3) is on specifying the report pac= ket format or simply reporting some values but not really specifying what the exported values are. Two of the metrics/valu= es seem to be just simple counters/numbers (e.g. not really needing more definitions), the other two are referenced to be de= fined in RFC7002/7003 . RFC6390 does not really feel applicable for any of these three documents - there ought to be anothe= r document describing what all the metrics are, defining them in RFC6390 normative format and describing how and where they= are measured unless there already is another document defining them - if so, it should be referenced here instead of 700= 2/7003. Observations: 1) The term "discard burst" seems to be crucial for all the metrics but non= e of the three documents contains any definition other than just the reader's intuitive notion of its meanin= g 2) The two metrics "Packets Discarded in Bursts" and "Discard Count" are re= ferenced to the same section of RFC7002 which contains exactly same wording as this document for "Disca= rd Count" with no further definition. I am not familiar with RTP quality metrics so just assume that there co= uld be other packet losses/packet discards than during the discard bursts to make the two values different. 3) Similarly "Total Packets Expected in Bursts" is referenced to RFC7003 = with exactly same wording as this document - assuming that the term "discarded bursts" is a typo for "dis= card burst" Jan The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succumb young ... and the st= rong envy them. Dr. Johnson ________________________________ From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: 15 December 2015 13:32 To: Jan Novak; MORTON, ALFRED C AL; pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.= com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.or= g/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Hi Jan, The end of the week (Friday 1/8) is fine. Thanks for offering to review this work. Regards, Dan From: Jan Novak [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:25 PM To: MORTON, ALFRED C AL; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.= com; alissa@cooperw.in Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.or= g/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt Hi Al, Dan, Unless you got a queue of volunteers already, I could do that, but not real= ly to the deadline of the 5th - I will be off until the 4th (inc). So would be looking to Friday that wee= k ?? Jan The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succumb young ... and the st= rong envy them. Dr. Johnson > From: acmorton@att.com > To: dromasca@avaya.com; pm-dir@ietf.org > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:17:10 -0500 > CC: shida@ntt-at.com; bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.in > Subject: Re: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.= org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt > > Ok Dan, this is a request for a Volunteer PM-Dir reviewer > (preferably someone who can meet the deadline below). > > reply to all, thanks and regards, > Al > pm-dir admin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pm-dir [mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, > > Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 10:05 AM > > To: pm-dir@ietf.org > > Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise (bclaise@c= isco.com); > > alissa@cooperw.in > > Subject: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap- > > discard-00.txt > > > > > > Hi PMDIR, > > > > As a co-chair of XRBLOCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6390 > > review https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap= - > > discard-00.txt. This document is in WGLC until 1/5/2016. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pm-dir mailing list > > pm-dir@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir > > _______________________________________________ > pm-dir mailing list > pm-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEE51D7AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Al and Jan. I apol= ogize for missing this – I scanned only the xrblock mail list. I am f= orwarding the review there.

 <= /p>

Regards,

 <= /p>

Dan

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

From: MORTON, = ALFRED C (AL) [mailto:acmorton@att.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:17 PM
To: Jan Novak; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooper= w.in
Subject: RE: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/dra= ft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00.txt

 

Re-sending

 

From: pm-dir [= mailto:pm-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 3:53 AM
To: Jan Novak; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit= Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.= in
Subject: Re: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00= .txt

 

***Security Advisory: This Message Originated Outside of= AT&T ***
Reference http://cso.att.com/EmailSecurity/IDSP.html for more information.

Thanks Jan.

 

This should also go to the authors and XRBLOCK= list,

can you take care of that, Dan?

 

Al

 

From: Jan Nova= k [mailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:44 AM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); MORTON, ALFRED C (AL); pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit= Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.= in
Subject: [pm-dir] RFC 6390 REVIEW of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00= .txt

 

Hi,

 

I have read through this draft and br= owsed through the related RFC7002 and 7003 used as references

with the following conclusions/observ= ations:

 

Conclusion:

This document emphasis (and also RFC7= 002/3) is on specifying the report packet format or simply reporting s= ome values but

not really specifying what the export= ed values are. Two of the metrics/values seem to be just simple counters/nu= mbers (e.g.

not really needing more definitions),= the other two are referenced to be defined in RFC7002/7003 . RFC6390 does = not really

feel applicable for any of these thre= e documents - there ought to be another document describing what all the me= trics are,

defining them in RFC6390 normative fo= rmat and describing how and where they are measured unless there already is= another

document defining them - if so, it sh= ould be referenced here instead of 7002/7003.

 

Observations:

1) The term "discard burst"= seems to be crucial for all the metrics but none of the three documents co= ntains any

     definition o= ther than just the reader's intuitive notion of its meaning

2) The two metrics "Packets Disc= arded in Bursts" and "Discard Count" are referenced to the s= ame section of

    RFC7002 which cont= ains exactly same wording as this document for "Discard Count" wi= th no further definition.

    I am not familiar = with RTP quality metrics so just assume that there could be other packet lo= sses/packet discards

    than during the di= scard bursts to make the two values different.

 3)  Similarly "Total = Packets Expected in Bursts" is referenced to RFC7003 with exactly same= wording as this

    document - assumin= g that the term "discarded bursts" is a typo for "disca= rd burst"

 

Jan

 

The climate of Ed= inburgh is such that the weak succumb young ... and the strong envy them.
            &nb= sp;            =            Dr. Johnson

 

From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) <dromasca@avaya.com>
Sent: 15 December 2015 13:32
To: Jan Novak; MORTON, ALFRED C AL; pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit= Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.= in
Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00= .txt

 =

Hi Jan,

 

The end of the wee= k (Friday 1/8) is fine.

 

Thanks for offerin= g to review this work.

 

Regards,

 

Dan

 

 

From: Jan Novak [m= ailto:jjjnovak@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:25 PM
To: MORTON, ALFRED C AL; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pm-dir@ietf.org
Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Benoit= Claise bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.= in
Subject: RE: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00= .txt

 =

Hi Al, Dan,
 
Unless you got a queue of volunteers already, I could do that, but not real= ly to the deadline of the 5th
- I will be off until the 4th (inc). So would be looking to Friday tha= t week ??
 
Jan

The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succumb young ... and the st= rong envy them.

            &nb= sp;            =            Dr. Johnson  

> From: acmorton@att.com
> To: dromasca@avaya.com; pm-dir@ietf.org
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:17:10 -0500
> CC: shida@ntt-at.com; bclaise@cisco.com; alissa@cooperw.= in
> Subject: Re: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-discard-00= .txt
>
> Ok Dan, this is a request for a Volunteer PM-Dir reviewer
> (preferably someone who can meet the deadline below).
>
> reply to all, thanks and regards,
> Al
> pm-dir admin
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pm-dir [mailto:p= m-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu,
> > Dan (Dan)
> > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 10:05 AM
> > To: pm-dir@ietf.org
> > Cc: shida@ntt-at.com; Ben= oit Claise (bclaise@cisco.com); > > alissa@cooperw.in
> > Subject: [pm-dir] request for an RFC 6390 review of
> > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-
> > discard-00.txt
> >
> >
> > Hi PMDIR,
> >
> > As a co-chair of XRBLOCK WG, I would like to request the an RFC 6= 390
> > review https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-xrblock-independent-burst-gap-
> > discard-00.txt. This document is in WGLC until 1/5/2016.
> >
> > Thanks and Regards,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > pm-dir mailing list
> > pm-dir@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir
>
> _______________________________________________
> pm-dir mailing list
> pm-dir@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pm-dir

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